WEBVTT - How Bullfighting Works

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<v Speaker 1>Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve camera.

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<v Speaker 1>It's ready. Are you welcome to Stuff you should know

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<v Speaker 1>from House Stuff Works dot Com. Hey, and welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>the podcast. I'm Josh Clark with me. It's always Charles W.

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<v Speaker 1>Chuck Bryant, hol A, Chuck Hola, Hola right back catching Um.

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<v Speaker 1>How are you doing? I'm great? How are you? I'm

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<v Speaker 1>doing pretty good? Yeah. Yeah, I've been learning a lot

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<v Speaker 1>about bull foling lately. I don't know if you know.

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<v Speaker 1>You mean bull killing. Bull fighting is what it's culture.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not what I call it. Or you could also

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<v Speaker 1>call it a cardido cordida. Boy, here we go corrida.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you ever been to Spain? No? Have you? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Where I've been to? Uh? And then um Tosa de

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<v Speaker 1>Mar which is little coastal town near Barcelona there on

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<v Speaker 1>the coastal Brava, very nice. Have you been to Okay? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Very Have you seen a bullfight? No? I would not,

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<v Speaker 1>I would not do that, sir, I have seen a

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<v Speaker 1>bull fight. And um, to offend you even further, not

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<v Speaker 1>only was it a bullfight, it started off with a

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<v Speaker 1>cock fight. It was in Cancoon. I saw it with

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<v Speaker 1>my sister and my dad, and UM, it was crazy

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<v Speaker 1>because we were we were there and it was a

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<v Speaker 1>bullfight like. It wasn't like you could have accidentally walked

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<v Speaker 1>into this thing like it was a bullfight. Um. And

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<v Speaker 1>I would say of the people there were um, white,

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<v Speaker 1>probably American tourists, who booed and yelled and shouted things

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<v Speaker 1>the whole time. And I remember thinking of that one

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<v Speaker 1>Simpsons where um, Lisa was having a nightmare about being

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<v Speaker 1>second chairs for sacks phone in the school band, and um,

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<v Speaker 1>at the concert, everybody was booing and she wakes up

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<v Speaker 1>and thinks, like, why would everybody come just to boo?

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<v Speaker 1>It was exactly like that. People came just to boom

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<v Speaker 1>to bullfight. Well, that is one people who who say

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<v Speaker 1>bullfighting is not good, of which I'm one of them,

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<v Speaker 1>say that that's one of the only reasons bull fights

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<v Speaker 1>are still even going on is because of tourists. That

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<v Speaker 1>they're the ones buying the tickets. And many times those

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<v Speaker 1>tourists get there and they're horrified and they leave early

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<v Speaker 1>and think, wow, no refunds making no exactly he just

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<v Speaker 1>funded bullfighting. Yeah exactly, sucker. Um. A couple of quick

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<v Speaker 1>stats roughly to between two hundred and two hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>fifty thousand bulls are killed each year from bull fights,

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<v Speaker 1>from bull fights, and um, I'm not sure if this

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<v Speaker 1>is accurate, but the number I got was it fifty

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<v Speaker 1>two matadors have been killed since. I'm surprised it's that few.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you heard of Julio Aparichio? If you have a

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<v Speaker 1>very strong constitution, Uncle Josh warns you against this one. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>holy cow. It was almost like, how is that not photoshops?

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<v Speaker 1>It was perfect? The horns so Julio Apariccio was he

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<v Speaker 1>fell down and bull got the best of him, gored

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<v Speaker 1>him with his with its horns, with his horns because

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<v Speaker 1>bull um and what a boy? Huh, and gordon under

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<v Speaker 1>his chin and it threw his through his neck and

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<v Speaker 1>then the horn came out of his mouth perfectly. And

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<v Speaker 1>m a guy from getting Images got a close up

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<v Speaker 1>of it, like like fifty of them. It's it's amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't seen the video. It's on the YouTube and

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<v Speaker 1>it's one of those that's so awful that you have

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<v Speaker 1>to like sign in and verify your age before you

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<v Speaker 1>watch it. And I do not advise people to watch this.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even advise you to see the too. Look

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<v Speaker 1>at the Daily Mail article that has it. But it's

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<v Speaker 1>pretty crazy. But yes it happens. And I'm surprised that

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<v Speaker 1>only how many fifties seven? The stat I got was

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<v Speaker 1>fifty two in the last you know, three hundred plus years. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>so there's not much of a fight going on. And

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<v Speaker 1>matador is actually Spanish for killer, so is it really Um, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>they're killer bulls for sure. It's the whole point, Like

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<v Speaker 1>there's really no gray area here, like bull fighting is

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<v Speaker 1>the the purpose of it is to kill the bull. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>under certain conditions or um, within a certain framework. But

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<v Speaker 1>that's the point of bullfighting. It's not anything but that.

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<v Speaker 1>And if the matador fails to kill the bull, that's

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<v Speaker 1>on him and it is a huge disgrace, like that's

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<v Speaker 1>a that's a loss, and it's it's not very good right. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>what I start, I'm starting to suspect that you are

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<v Speaker 1>a post bull fighting Um. There are a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people and apparently Spain's um. I mean in Spain, it's

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<v Speaker 1>like a natural cultural thing. It's been around for a while,

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<v Speaker 1>and even people who feel the same way you do

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<v Speaker 1>still say I still don't think it should be illegal.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just too much a part of our tradition. Not

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<v Speaker 1>everyone feels that way, though, No, definitely not. They did

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<v Speaker 1>a gallop pole in two thousand ten and seventy of

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<v Speaker 1>Spaniards said that they were ready to do away with it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a lot of Spaniards. And that's up from like

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen years earlier. So in this modern day, people are

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<v Speaker 1>starting to think twice about it. Well, let's let's talk

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<v Speaker 1>about this, Chuck, Let's talk about how how long people

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<v Speaker 1>have been fighting bulls on the Iberian Peninsula. We don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>Fox Show, but um, there is evidence of bull rituals

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<v Speaker 1>dating back all the way to BC. Yeah. The Mycenaeans

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<v Speaker 1>apparently used to leap over bulls that were charging. It

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<v Speaker 1>was like a thing, and they were always revered, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>as like these godlike creatures, which is why I guess

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<v Speaker 1>they want to kill him. What. Yeah, what's the taurus? One? Taurus?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that the Is that an astrological sign? Yeah? Okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>of course pretty ancient. Uh. The article points out that

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<v Speaker 1>the Visigoth rule Um of the Iberian Peninsula from fourteen

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen to seven eleven um No. Four fifteen four fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>to seven eleven, UM had men on horseback fighting bulls um,

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<v Speaker 1>which evolved into mounted bullfighting which uh rijneo, which still

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<v Speaker 1>exists in Portugal horseback bullfighting where they kill the bull

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<v Speaker 1>outside the ring. Later on, right, they weaken it to

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<v Speaker 1>a certain point, which is the equivalent of killing the

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<v Speaker 1>bull is far. I guess there's some point of no

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<v Speaker 1>return that the Portuguese understand and they're like, okay, well

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<v Speaker 1>we're done, come outside, and then that's that. But as

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<v Speaker 1>anybody who's opposed bullfighting will tell you, that's not any

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<v Speaker 1>more humane. Of course, it's just out of sight of

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<v Speaker 1>the spectators. Um. So yeah, you've got what is it?

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<v Speaker 1>Ray hoo rayjono joo um. And then uh. Bull fighting

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<v Speaker 1>itself as we understand it today was firmly established in

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<v Speaker 1>Spain by the eleventh century UM, and it came about

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<v Speaker 1>during festivals, specifically one festival called the Fiesta descind Ferminton

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<v Speaker 1>and anybody has been to Pampalonna will recognize that because

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<v Speaker 1>that's where the running of the bulls takes place. And

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<v Speaker 1>when in July now so I seven when it used

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<v Speaker 1>to be September. And then in the sixteenth century they

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<v Speaker 1>moved it to July, and ever since then the running

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<v Speaker 1>of the bulls has been held. But it's been going

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<v Speaker 1>on since long before that. And it actually started with

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of um ranchers their kids moving the bulls

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<v Speaker 1>from like their pens to about a half a mile

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<v Speaker 1>to the arena. Um. And then people started running alongside

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<v Speaker 1>him and evolved into the running of the bulls. Now

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<v Speaker 1>interesting els said the Spanish military leader uh midd eleventh century.

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<v Speaker 1>He was one of the first to actually bring it

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<v Speaker 1>into the arena and make it the sanctioned corrida, which

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<v Speaker 1>was government sanctioned is today at least, but what's back then,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm financially supported by governments to fifteenth century. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a big part of the aristocracy until Queen Isabella came

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<v Speaker 1>along and said this is not cool. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>why she was against it, probably because she was an

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<v Speaker 1>animal lover. I would say that's probably a good idea,

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<v Speaker 1>and Pope Pious UM five almost said the uh he

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<v Speaker 1>banned it. But that didn't last very long, um only

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<v Speaker 1>about eight years, because people were into it pretty pretty

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<v Speaker 1>big time, right um. And then in about the I

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<v Speaker 1>guess in the six d is when that that whole

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<v Speaker 1>divergence between horseback and foot bull foot bull fighting took place,

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<v Speaker 1>and it remained um the sport of the aristocracy until

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<v Speaker 1>Philip the came along and he said, you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>this is barbaric. You would have to be a low

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<v Speaker 1>class barbarian to engage in bullfighting. So if you remember

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<v Speaker 1>my court and you get caught doing this, I'll shoot

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<v Speaker 1>you in the knee. And the aristocracy said, well, we

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<v Speaker 1>want our knees in tack, so we're gonna stop doing this.

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<v Speaker 1>And at this point bullfighting transferred from a kind of

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<v Speaker 1>high flutant, snooty pastime to the them the pastime of

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<v Speaker 1>the people, the national sport of the Spanish people, and

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<v Speaker 1>from that point on it's it's stayed that way. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but they they The author does point there are arenas

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<v Speaker 1>in Spain that still have the royal boxes for the

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<v Speaker 1>royal family right to attend these things, so it hasn't

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<v Speaker 1>gone away completely as far as that goes. So Spain

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<v Speaker 1>is the heart and life center of um bullfighting, but

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<v Speaker 1>there's other places that it's held. Obviously, I saw him

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<v Speaker 1>in cancun Um. And if you're a bullfighter, you can

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<v Speaker 1>follow the season pretty much year round and get work

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<v Speaker 1>if you're good the heaven France. Did you know that?

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't, but I saw that it's been It was

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<v Speaker 1>banned in the UK. Had no idea anybody was fighting

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<v Speaker 1>bulls and going on in Germany. It was going on

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<v Speaker 1>all over the place. It's crazy. But that doesn't make

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<v Speaker 1>sense that it would happen in Germany if the Visigoths

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<v Speaker 1>are the ones who introduced it to the Iberian Peninsula

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<v Speaker 1>because they were Germanic people from south of the south.

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<v Speaker 1>Norway will call you south Way. I don't think the Goths. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>So we'll walk you through what happens in a in

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<v Speaker 1>a corrida um in this whitewashed article version. But um,

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<v Speaker 1>before this ever happens, we'll walk you through the couple

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<v Speaker 1>of days before the bull even gets to the ring. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a special treat for me. It is the bull.

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<v Speaker 1>Um is not an aggressive animal at all. Bull likes

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<v Speaker 1>to hang around in chew grass and uh smell flowers.

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<v Speaker 1>That sounds like bullfighting propaganda to me. No, Ferdinand, the

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<v Speaker 1>bull it's like a sweet creature. But they actually are

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<v Speaker 1>not aggressive. They're only um gonna charge somebody if they're

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<v Speaker 1>threatened and angry, which is what bullfighting is all about. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>So in the two days prior to the bull showing

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<v Speaker 1>up at the arena, they are abused. Um they are

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<v Speaker 1>uh basically mentally destroyed versions of what a bull should be.

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<v Speaker 1>You're fat bull. While they do fatten them up to

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<v Speaker 1>make them slow. Well, that's a big problem, and you

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<v Speaker 1>can call somebody out for that, Okay. Um. They have

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<v Speaker 1>wet newspaper stuffed in their ears so they can't hear anything.

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<v Speaker 1>They have vasoline rubbed on their eyes so their visions blurred.

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<v Speaker 1>They have their eyes taped open so they can't sleep. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>They stuffed cotton up their nostrils so they can't breathe

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<v Speaker 1>very well, and they stick and needle through their genitals.

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<v Speaker 1>That'll that'll take anybody off. They rubbed this caustic solution

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<v Speaker 1>on their legs, which makes the bull not be able

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<v Speaker 1>to balance and uh keeps the bull from lying down. Ever.

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<v Speaker 1>They strap their horns to the ceiling of their transport

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<v Speaker 1>truck uh to take them on their long hot journey's

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<v Speaker 1>wherever they're going. And for the two days before they

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<v Speaker 1>keep them in a in a box. Oh wait, I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not all they give them drugs to either pep

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<v Speaker 1>them up or slow them down, just to keep them

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<v Speaker 1>in whatever state they want them in, and give them

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<v Speaker 1>laxatives uh, to just obviously make things even more uncomfortable. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>Then they put the bull in the in this dark

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<v Speaker 1>box for two days uh to disorient the bull. Finally,

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<v Speaker 1>when they open the box, there's a light at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the tunnel that the bull thinks, my god,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm finally getting out of here. Runs to the light

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<v Speaker 1>and all of a sudden they're in a bull ring, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And there's trumpets and fanfare and people cheering, um, and

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<v Speaker 1>the bulls like, oh cool, how's how's that? Hey, how

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<v Speaker 1>are y'all doing? I've been through some rough times lately. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of that stuff, I think if you were found out,

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<v Speaker 1>you would be disqualified immediately, especially doing stuff that slowed

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<v Speaker 1>the bull down or made it less dangerous. Yes, the

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<v Speaker 1>bull ring is a ring for a reason. Um. Bulls

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<v Speaker 1>would want to go try and hide in a corner,

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<v Speaker 1>but the ring, the circular ring, will confuse in a

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<v Speaker 1>bull to where it can't hide anywhere. Have you ever

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<v Speaker 1>seen that footage of that bowl that like makes it

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<v Speaker 1>up into the stands, Like jumps up and then is

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<v Speaker 1>in the stands like on top of people. It was crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>Was that bull run our test? No? Do you get

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<v Speaker 1>that joke? Okay? So the different acts I believe are

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<v Speaker 1>called ter CEOs. Yes, I believe so. And there's three

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<v Speaker 1>of them, right, Yes, there's three of them. And the

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<v Speaker 1>that's three acts in a fight in a cardido, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>in a bull fight. Yeah, and um there's no suspense

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<v Speaker 1>going on either by the way they all go down

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<v Speaker 1>the same way. I bet it's suspenseful for the bull. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>So the bull comes out the first act or what? Uh? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Act one? Okay. In act one there are um guys

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<v Speaker 1>called peka doors and they're mounted on horseback and they

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<v Speaker 1>are basically, um, I guess, low level torreros or bullfighters

0:14:53.920 --> 0:14:56.480
<v Speaker 1>because both. A matador is not the only kind of bullfighter.

0:14:56.560 --> 0:14:59.600
<v Speaker 1>He is the cream of the crop, pinnacle of bullfighters,

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<v Speaker 1>the well paid rock star. Yes, um, but he works

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<v Speaker 1>with the crew of pika doors who show up in

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<v Speaker 1>the first act, and bandilli airos who show up in

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<v Speaker 1>the second act. But the pika doors what they do

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<v Speaker 1>is they lance the bowl between his shoulder blades, around

0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:19.520
<v Speaker 1>his neck muscles and the whole point of this chuck.

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<v Speaker 1>You'll love this one is to weaken the neck muscles

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<v Speaker 1>so that the bull's head hangs so that the matador

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<v Speaker 1>can get to its heart more easily. Yeah. It also

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<v Speaker 1>hits a gland in the neck that releases adrenaline. Apparently.

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<v Speaker 1>Um so they lanced the bull three times and twist

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<v Speaker 1>the blade around to ensure maximum blood loss. Um. Three

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<v Speaker 1>matadors will now come in. They will fight individually later on,

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<v Speaker 1>but they all come in at first in the first

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<v Speaker 1>act with their capes. And this is and for the

0:15:52.320 --> 0:15:54.680
<v Speaker 1>for the bull fight, it's an afternoon of them. There's

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<v Speaker 1>six bowls and three matadors, and each matador fights two

0:15:57.960 --> 0:16:00.960
<v Speaker 1>bowls and each bull fight takes about fifty in twenty minutes. Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>Um so they come in with their little capes and

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<v Speaker 1>uh do their little maneuvers to draw attention away from

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<v Speaker 1>the pika doors. And the Pika doors go and hide

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<v Speaker 1>behind their little walls. They have these interior walls that

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<v Speaker 1>they can hide behind. Whenever the bull starts to get

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<v Speaker 1>too dangerous, they run and hide behind these walls. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>or if this America, the Pika doors would be dressed

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<v Speaker 1>as clowns and would hide in barrels. Look at rodeo. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it will do a rodeo podcast at some point. Do

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<v Speaker 1>we have to sure they don't. I don't think they

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<v Speaker 1>kill the cals and rodeos. Okay, Um, So the pika

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<v Speaker 1>doors leave the ring, the matadors leave the ring at

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<v Speaker 1>two begins, and the vandel Garros, I know that's a

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<v Speaker 1>tough one. They're they're basically bullfighters, assistant bullfighters. Put they're

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<v Speaker 1>on foot, yes, and if you've ever seen a bullfighter

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<v Speaker 1>a picture of bull fight, bulls seem to have some

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<v Speaker 1>um crepe barbed sticking out of him. That's the bandelierros work. Yes,

0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:12.160
<v Speaker 1>and that is called a bandias and it's a barbed dart.

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<v Speaker 1>It's adorned colorfully. The bulls aren't the only things dying

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<v Speaker 1>in this episode, and so was the Spanish language, because

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<v Speaker 1>we are butchering it. I'm trying uh this of course,

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<v Speaker 1>further weekends the bull um so the mighty Matador doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>have much work to do, so the bull is still dangerous.

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<v Speaker 1>Um are They run in circles at this point to

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<v Speaker 1>to get it nice and dizzy and confused. The manador

0:17:37.320 --> 0:17:40.000
<v Speaker 1>comes out for the final act and he has ten

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<v Speaker 1>ten official minutes to kill the bull, well, to do

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<v Speaker 1>a little showing off first and then kill the bull.

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<v Speaker 1>Um after the ten minute warning. After the ten minutes

0:17:50.520 --> 0:17:54.119
<v Speaker 1>he gets in a viso, which is a warning first warning.

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<v Speaker 1>After three minutes he gets another one, and then he

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<v Speaker 1>gets a third one, so he has a total of

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<v Speaker 1>in actuality fifteen minutes to kill the bull or else

0:18:01.600 --> 0:18:04.800
<v Speaker 1>the bull is let out alive and the matadors disgraced.

0:18:05.480 --> 0:18:07.600
<v Speaker 1>But for the most part, the matador is going to

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<v Speaker 1>dispatch the bull, and um, he does it. He first

0:18:11.800 --> 0:18:13.800
<v Speaker 1>starts using the cape. And the cape is always held

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<v Speaker 1>in the left hand. Is it? That's all right handed? Dudes?

0:18:16.359 --> 0:18:18.960
<v Speaker 1>I did not. I was looking, and I could even

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<v Speaker 1>tell that they were. Um there, the cape was kind

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<v Speaker 1>of clumsy held in the left hand. They were still

0:18:23.920 --> 0:18:26.040
<v Speaker 1>holding it in the left hand. Well, the guys I

0:18:26.080 --> 0:18:28.399
<v Speaker 1>saw were practicing, So maybe I don't know, but I

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<v Speaker 1>don't see why they would practice with their right hand.

0:18:30.200 --> 0:18:33.080
<v Speaker 1>I don't either. Okay, but you have a cape in

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<v Speaker 1>one hand, you have a sword in the other. Yes,

0:18:36.040 --> 0:18:38.399
<v Speaker 1>and the point of the cape, by the way, we

0:18:38.400 --> 0:18:41.960
<v Speaker 1>should probably get to this now. Um cape is always

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<v Speaker 1>red because red Anger's bulls right not true. Balls are

0:18:46.480 --> 0:18:49.080
<v Speaker 1>color blind, so they're not angered by red or any

0:18:49.119 --> 0:18:51.960
<v Speaker 1>other color. What does get them going is the movement

0:18:51.960 --> 0:18:56.400
<v Speaker 1>of the cape and sticking swords in their neck. That's

0:18:56.400 --> 0:18:59.040
<v Speaker 1>another thing that gets them going. Um. And actually that's

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<v Speaker 1>not necessarily true. By the time the manador comes out,

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes the um the bowl is really tired from blood

0:19:07.040 --> 0:19:10.520
<v Speaker 1>loss and being tortured for a couple of days apparently, um.

0:19:10.640 --> 0:19:12.680
<v Speaker 1>And so the manador really kind of has to work

0:19:12.680 --> 0:19:14.480
<v Speaker 1>to get it riled up again. And even though the

0:19:14.480 --> 0:19:17.520
<v Speaker 1>bulls just like, just kill me, manador is like, not yet,

0:19:17.680 --> 0:19:22.439
<v Speaker 1>we have a crowd to please first, So um the

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<v Speaker 1>the manador. Eventually after the cape work is done. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh the cape is read by the way to high bloodstains. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>Once the cape work is done, the manador will um

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<v Speaker 1>as the bull runs past him, will plunge the sword

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<v Speaker 1>in between his shoulder blades and what's called a estoccata,

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<v Speaker 1>which is the death blow. And uh. It properly delivered

0:19:46.520 --> 0:19:49.320
<v Speaker 1>estocata will sever the bulls a order and that will

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<v Speaker 1>be that almost immediately for the bull. If it's not

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<v Speaker 1>done correctly, then the bull can be in even more

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<v Speaker 1>tremendous pain as it bleeds out. But to protecting into this,

0:20:00.760 --> 0:20:07.000
<v Speaker 1>a bandeliero will come out and immediately deliver any any

0:20:07.040 --> 0:20:10.960
<v Speaker 1>another thrust of a blade to make sure the bull

0:20:11.080 --> 0:20:16.359
<v Speaker 1>is dead with a plantilla a smaller knife. Ideally they

0:20:16.440 --> 0:20:20.400
<v Speaker 1>killed him with one blow. That rarely happens because apparently

0:20:20.440 --> 0:20:23.600
<v Speaker 1>matadors aren't so great at doing that anymore. I don't

0:20:23.600 --> 0:20:26.199
<v Speaker 1>know if they ever were. And uh, a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>times the bull lives even through the smaller knife plunge

0:20:30.160 --> 0:20:33.040
<v Speaker 1>and is still alive when the ears and tail or

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<v Speaker 1>hoof or cut off and presented to the matador. We

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<v Speaker 1>usually there's a there's another fail safe um where they

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<v Speaker 1>just bring out a tractor and run the bull over

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of times to make sure that it's that's

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<v Speaker 1>so nice. If that doesn't work, then the people come

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<v Speaker 1>down from the stands and just start shooting it. That's

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<v Speaker 1>not true, and it's not funny. It's not funny because

0:20:55.359 --> 0:20:59.600
<v Speaker 1>it's not true, and they oftentimes do survive hanging on

0:20:59.680 --> 0:21:03.960
<v Speaker 1>by read. Their lungs are punctured, so they're bleeding, like

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<v Speaker 1>drowning in their own blood and like vomiting up blood

0:21:08.080 --> 0:21:12.440
<v Speaker 1>through their nose and mouth like a whale. Dying and flurry. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And sometimes they will take it outside and skin it

0:21:14.840 --> 0:21:17.199
<v Speaker 1>while it's even still alive. Yeah, that's a kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a tradition. Um. I saw the bull after the bullfight.

0:21:20.720 --> 0:21:24.239
<v Speaker 1>It was pretty sad. Um. They take the bull right

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<v Speaker 1>outside and um, they'll dress it and then sell the

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<v Speaker 1>meat at the stadium. Um, which is customary and very strange,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's one of the aspects of bullfighting. If you've

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<v Speaker 1>ever wanted a bull burger and you wanted to eat

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<v Speaker 1>it right after you saw it die, go to a

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<v Speaker 1>bullfight in Spain. Uh. They will drag the bull out

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<v Speaker 1>with some mules attached to chains. And UM, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if the booing booing you heard, because apparently the

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<v Speaker 1>people will boo and throw beer cans at the bull

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<v Speaker 1>at the end. I don't know if that's what you were.

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<v Speaker 1>It depends, so depends Um. No, no, no, no, that's

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<v Speaker 1>this was. They were booing the matador, the bliros, the doors, everybody.

0:22:08.560 --> 0:22:12.320
<v Speaker 1>They were booing a whole country of Mexico for this. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah they're booing everybody. No. Um, it depends on the bull.

0:22:15.400 --> 0:22:18.160
<v Speaker 1>If the bull was um a woss, then I could

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<v Speaker 1>see the fans throwing beer cans at it. There's also

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<v Speaker 1>um that an aspect of this that cannot be denied

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<v Speaker 1>that a bull that shows great bravery, anger, um spirit, spunk,

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<v Speaker 1>really tries to kill the matador or the bandili arrows

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<v Speaker 1>will be very much revered by the people in the

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<v Speaker 1>stands and gruesomely UM. They'll bring it out for a

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<v Speaker 1>victory lap, being dragged by the mules in a circle

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<v Speaker 1>around the arena. After it's dead, or apparently while it's

0:22:47.359 --> 0:22:51.800
<v Speaker 1>still dying, people will cheer it through roses for it UM.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's a there's a a UM. There's a rule

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<v Speaker 1>where the crowd or the matador can ask for in

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<v Speaker 1>uh indolito, which is a reprieve for a particularly courageous bull,

0:23:05.880 --> 0:23:10.080
<v Speaker 1>and the president of the of the bullfight the referee

0:23:10.440 --> 0:23:13.320
<v Speaker 1>can say, yes, I give this bullet reprieve because it's

0:23:13.359 --> 0:23:15.800
<v Speaker 1>such an awesome bowl. We're gonna let it live. And

0:23:15.920 --> 0:23:19.800
<v Speaker 1>the manador proceeds to um with an empty hand simulate

0:23:20.000 --> 0:23:22.000
<v Speaker 1>the death blow, saying I could have killed the bull,

0:23:22.040 --> 0:23:24.840
<v Speaker 1>but I like the bull so much I lobbied to

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<v Speaker 1>get it released. That bull is taken away and UM

0:23:28.640 --> 0:23:30.480
<v Speaker 1>put out the stud for the rest of its life.

0:23:31.160 --> 0:23:35.919
<v Speaker 1>And there was one it's very rare to get an indulto. Um,

0:23:35.960 --> 0:23:41.359
<v Speaker 1>And there was one one bull called Manzanito in he

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<v Speaker 1>got an indulto because he gored all three manadors in

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<v Speaker 1>the plaza that day. Wow. That that that will get

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<v Speaker 1>you off right there. You get to go stud for

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of your life. Mr. Bull. Horses are also abused.

0:23:55.520 --> 0:23:59.080
<v Speaker 1>The ones that participate, their ears are stuffed with newspaper,

0:23:59.080 --> 0:24:02.760
<v Speaker 1>wet newspaper, the blindfolded, and they sever their vocal cords

0:24:02.800 --> 0:24:05.080
<v Speaker 1>so they can't scream out in pain because people don't

0:24:05.080 --> 0:24:08.960
<v Speaker 1>want to hear that. Yeah, people don't like that, So

0:24:09.000 --> 0:24:12.200
<v Speaker 1>they sever the vocal cords. So the horses that are,

0:24:13.760 --> 0:24:16.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, trembling in fear inside this ring at this bowl,

0:24:16.840 --> 0:24:20.160
<v Speaker 1>don't bark out and let people know that. And if

0:24:20.160 --> 0:24:22.200
<v Speaker 1>the horses are hurt, they take them out of the

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<v Speaker 1>ring and patch them up and send them right back

0:24:23.880 --> 0:24:27.720
<v Speaker 1>in there. Where are you getting this activist info all

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<v Speaker 1>over the place? Yeah, yeah, okay, I mean it's not

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<v Speaker 1>activist info, it's how it goes down. No, it all

0:24:34.760 --> 0:24:37.040
<v Speaker 1>just kind of has a certain ring to it. I'm

0:24:37.040 --> 0:24:39.880
<v Speaker 1>not disputing it. I'm just saying like, yeah, well, I mean,

0:24:40.480 --> 0:24:42.720
<v Speaker 1>coming out of my mouth, it probably sounds activist because

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's an awful thing to do something like this.

0:24:45.240 --> 0:24:47.800
<v Speaker 1>But this is the these is the facts. Okay, Well

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<v Speaker 1>in check you will love the next part wherein we

0:24:50.160 --> 0:24:55.560
<v Speaker 1>talk about famous matador. Yeah, I feel free. So uh,

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<v Speaker 1>people have been doing this since well, we said like

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<v Speaker 1>the eleventh century, right, El sid was supposedly the first

0:25:01.040 --> 0:25:06.080
<v Speaker 1>guy to fight a bull in an arena. UM, and

0:25:06.160 --> 0:25:11.560
<v Speaker 1>since then it's it's just become huge, big business. UM.

0:25:11.760 --> 0:25:15.960
<v Speaker 1>But the first reel and probably only real golden age

0:25:16.119 --> 0:25:21.760
<v Speaker 1>if you call it that, bullfighting happened UM from nineteen fourteen,

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<v Speaker 1>and there were two matadors, Juan Belmonte Garcia and Jose Gomez,

0:25:28.640 --> 0:25:32.720
<v Speaker 1>who fought bulls under the name joslit though um had

0:25:32.720 --> 0:25:37.680
<v Speaker 1>a rivalry and um. Belmonte Garcia was actually the first

0:25:37.680 --> 0:25:42.120
<v Speaker 1>guy apparently to stand still or stand his ground when

0:25:42.119 --> 0:25:44.640
<v Speaker 1>he was doing cape work with a bull rather than

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<v Speaker 1>try to run away from the bull. He's in fantasy footwork.

0:25:50.480 --> 0:25:56.000
<v Speaker 1>Jsalito was his rival, and the rivalry was really going swimmingly,

0:25:56.440 --> 0:26:00.119
<v Speaker 1>I guess for everybody but the bulls, until Hosalito was

0:26:00.160 --> 0:26:04.040
<v Speaker 1>fatally gored UM at a match that both of them

0:26:04.080 --> 0:26:07.800
<v Speaker 1>were at Garcia and Jsalito were fighting at um in

0:26:07.920 --> 0:26:11.399
<v Speaker 1>N and that end of the Golden age of bullfighting.

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<v Speaker 1>You'll be happy to hear. He must have been small Zalito. Yeah,

0:26:15.920 --> 0:26:17.880
<v Speaker 1>his name is Jose, and I think if you're Jose

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<v Speaker 1>and they call you hosalito, that means you're small, like

0:26:20.000 --> 0:26:23.639
<v Speaker 1>add that eto to anything Alito or young because he

0:26:23.720 --> 0:26:26.040
<v Speaker 1>started very young. Oh yeah, maybe that's true. He started

0:26:26.080 --> 0:26:29.040
<v Speaker 1>at age thirteen, um and he was only I think

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty five when he died. When he was gord so. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Another guy who's gorge is named Manuel Rodriguez E Sanchez.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think that's like the mothers and the father's

0:26:42.440 --> 0:26:45.399
<v Speaker 1>names when it's two last names and there's an e

0:26:45.640 --> 0:26:48.440
<v Speaker 1>in and in the middle. I don't know. I would

0:26:48.440 --> 0:26:52.040
<v Speaker 1>think so. And well, Rodriguez in Sanchez. You put the

0:26:52.119 --> 0:26:55.080
<v Speaker 1>Rodriguez together and the Sanchez is together and you get

0:26:55.080 --> 0:26:59.520
<v Speaker 1>Manuel also known as Menelette. Maybe so. And he was

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<v Speaker 1>Gordon in He was the top matador from nineteen forty

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<v Speaker 1>and nineteen forty seven, and I think is goring and

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<v Speaker 1>the end of his being the top mattador was not coincidental.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you're probably right. Uh, should we talk about

0:27:14.040 --> 0:27:17.320
<v Speaker 1>the bulls because it's very specific what kind of bulls

0:27:17.320 --> 0:27:21.480
<v Speaker 1>are fighting. They're all four years old, which I didn't know,

0:27:22.080 --> 0:27:27.920
<v Speaker 1>I didn't, um, and they are specifically bred to bullfight.

0:27:27.960 --> 0:27:31.320
<v Speaker 1>In the weigh about thirt hundred pounds. You want to

0:27:31.320 --> 0:27:36.760
<v Speaker 1>translate that niquilas for our friends, it's that's right. And um,

0:27:36.800 --> 0:27:39.480
<v Speaker 1>they are bread and ranches. And this article says that

0:27:39.560 --> 0:27:43.679
<v Speaker 1>they're tested for bravery and ferocity and that if you

0:27:43.720 --> 0:27:47.639
<v Speaker 1>pass that test, you would become a fighting bull. Um.

0:27:47.680 --> 0:27:52.199
<v Speaker 1>And that may be true sometimes, but uh, matadors like

0:27:52.280 --> 0:27:54.480
<v Speaker 1>to make their money and they don't want to be gored.

0:27:54.960 --> 0:27:58.920
<v Speaker 1>So the high falutin mattadors will request very placid, docile

0:27:58.960 --> 0:28:02.720
<v Speaker 1>bulls just to keep the show going. Is that true?

0:28:03.200 --> 0:28:07.480
<v Speaker 1>That's what That's what I read. Okay, So have they

0:28:07.520 --> 0:28:08.919
<v Speaker 1>just want to put on the show, you know, they

0:28:08.960 --> 0:28:10.760
<v Speaker 1>don't want to die too? Well, I'm sure they don't

0:28:10.760 --> 0:28:12.399
<v Speaker 1>want to want to make They want to make a

0:28:12.440 --> 0:28:15.800
<v Speaker 1>few million bucks a year doing it easy too, because

0:28:15.800 --> 0:28:19.159
<v Speaker 1>they get paid about a hundred grand a bullfight and

0:28:19.200 --> 0:28:21.760
<v Speaker 1>they can do maybe thirty to forty or more. Yeah,

0:28:21.920 --> 0:28:26.720
<v Speaker 1>I know the um Oh, the guy bel Monte. He

0:28:27.400 --> 0:28:32.080
<v Speaker 1>had a record hundred and nine bullfights in It's like

0:28:32.160 --> 0:28:34.359
<v Speaker 1>in Rocky three when he was fighting all the chumps

0:28:34.400 --> 0:28:36.399
<v Speaker 1>just for a pay day. Oh yeah, he didn't want

0:28:36.400 --> 0:28:39.520
<v Speaker 1>any real challenge. But ultimately he did want a real

0:28:39.600 --> 0:28:43.000
<v Speaker 1>challenge because he fight. He fought Draco, well, he fought

0:28:43.000 --> 0:28:46.760
<v Speaker 1>Clever Lang and three and three it was the Russian.

0:28:48.160 --> 0:28:52.200
<v Speaker 1>Three was clever Lane. No, yeah, the first two were Apollo,

0:28:52.360 --> 0:28:54.880
<v Speaker 1>the third was Clever Langing. The fourth was the Russian.

0:28:55.280 --> 0:28:58.880
<v Speaker 1>I thought that he was, uh, Tommy Morrison. And then

0:28:58.920 --> 0:29:02.600
<v Speaker 1>the six was when he came back as a trainer, huh.

0:29:04.360 --> 0:29:07.160
<v Speaker 1>And the seventh was him enjoying a nice sandwich for

0:29:07.240 --> 0:29:10.080
<v Speaker 1>two hours. No, Rocky three was definitely clever Line, because

0:29:10.080 --> 0:29:12.880
<v Speaker 1>that was my favorite one until I got older and

0:29:12.920 --> 0:29:14.920
<v Speaker 1>I realized that the person one was actually the better one.

0:29:15.880 --> 0:29:18.680
<v Speaker 1>You know. I thought that I would think that too,

0:29:18.800 --> 0:29:20.880
<v Speaker 1>and then I went back and watched it as an adult.

0:29:21.000 --> 0:29:23.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I mean, it's pretty good, but man, I

0:29:23.160 --> 0:29:26.600
<v Speaker 1>loved it. There's just too much character development, and for

0:29:26.640 --> 0:29:28.880
<v Speaker 1>a Rocky movie, well, it was a love story. It

0:29:28.960 --> 0:29:31.240
<v Speaker 1>wasn't even a boxing movie. Wrong with you, I understand,

0:29:31.280 --> 0:29:33.680
<v Speaker 1>but it was a love story starring and written and

0:29:33.720 --> 0:29:38.400
<v Speaker 1>directed by Sylvester Stallone. That's right, all right, Back to

0:29:38.440 --> 0:29:42.280
<v Speaker 1>the bulls. Bulls are never exposed to more than one fight. Yeah,

0:29:42.320 --> 0:29:45.320
<v Speaker 1>so apparently they have very good memories, so they learned

0:29:45.320 --> 0:29:48.560
<v Speaker 1>how to out due the uh, the matador in their

0:29:48.600 --> 0:29:51.920
<v Speaker 1>in their cape. So that's why they don't fit them twice.

0:29:51.920 --> 0:29:54.760
<v Speaker 1>And the guys who test their ferocity for I guess

0:29:54.800 --> 0:29:57.480
<v Speaker 1>the ones that are tested, those are done on horseback,

0:29:57.960 --> 0:30:00.640
<v Speaker 1>so that the bulls not like, oh I remember as capes,

0:30:00.840 --> 0:30:05.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna get you, I associate you with laxatives. Well,

0:30:05.920 --> 0:30:09.000
<v Speaker 1>even this article says that they they alter bulls to

0:30:09.040 --> 0:30:13.280
<v Speaker 1>make them easier to fight. But this is what I'm saying, so, um,

0:30:13.600 --> 0:30:17.640
<v Speaker 1>it's a very participatory sport for the spectators. Um. So,

0:30:17.760 --> 0:30:20.360
<v Speaker 1>like you can ask for an indolito, you can also

0:30:20.880 --> 0:30:25.560
<v Speaker 1>challenge or charge uh somebody with fighting an altered bowl,

0:30:25.600 --> 0:30:28.760
<v Speaker 1>one that's overfed and too fat and slow, one whose

0:30:28.760 --> 0:30:31.760
<v Speaker 1>horns have been altered, because apparently the tips of the

0:30:31.800 --> 0:30:34.960
<v Speaker 1>horns of a bull are very much like a cat's whiskers,

0:30:35.200 --> 0:30:37.520
<v Speaker 1>and if you remove that, the bull is not going

0:30:37.600 --> 0:30:40.000
<v Speaker 1>to have a very good sense of kinetics. And will

0:30:40.080 --> 0:30:43.720
<v Speaker 1>never hit the matador. So if the crowd thinks that

0:30:44.080 --> 0:30:47.000
<v Speaker 1>your career is like over pal, that's why I don't

0:30:47.000 --> 0:30:50.600
<v Speaker 1>think it's quite as widespread either that or else. Um.

0:30:50.680 --> 0:30:55.280
<v Speaker 1>Bullfighting crowds have become complacent. Well, I think that's definitely true. Yeah, Well,

0:30:55.320 --> 0:30:58.400
<v Speaker 1>because it's tourists they don't know how to spot a

0:30:58.440 --> 0:31:01.640
<v Speaker 1>fat bull, Well, then that very well may be the case.

0:31:02.360 --> 0:31:04.360
<v Speaker 1>And they also apparently the way they stabbed them and

0:31:04.400 --> 0:31:07.840
<v Speaker 1>where they stabbed them, they do so in order to

0:31:07.920 --> 0:31:11.760
<v Speaker 1>make sure they charge straight instead of like I've got

0:31:11.800 --> 0:31:14.120
<v Speaker 1>a bad left leg, all of a sudden, I'm gonna

0:31:14.120 --> 0:31:18.960
<v Speaker 1>be going left all day or right all day. So, Chuck,

0:31:19.440 --> 0:31:21.640
<v Speaker 1>we mentioned that you can make a pretty decent living

0:31:22.080 --> 0:31:27.600
<v Speaker 1>doing bull fights, but you also mentioned, um that there's

0:31:27.640 --> 0:31:30.680
<v Speaker 1>there may be the death of bull fighting as it were.

0:31:31.560 --> 0:31:33.600
<v Speaker 1>Do you think that's really true. I mean, seriously, people

0:31:33.640 --> 0:31:36.200
<v Speaker 1>have been doing this since the fourth century, and now,

0:31:36.240 --> 0:31:39.840
<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden, just because of a bad economy

0:31:39.880 --> 0:31:46.800
<v Speaker 1>and animal activism, bullfighting is going down. It's starting to well.

0:31:47.040 --> 0:31:50.400
<v Speaker 1>The polls that the popular sentiment is changing in Spain

0:31:50.520 --> 0:31:55.560
<v Speaker 1>over the past fifteen years is one um. Catalonia is

0:31:55.920 --> 0:31:58.200
<v Speaker 1>the first region in mainland Spain to actually ban it

0:31:58.640 --> 0:32:01.200
<v Speaker 1>in Barcelona's in Catalana. You, yeah, which is big because

0:32:01.240 --> 0:32:05.480
<v Speaker 1>Barcelonlona had not one, not two, but three bullfighting arenas.

0:32:05.560 --> 0:32:10.080
<v Speaker 1>That's right, and that took effect. That took effect actually

0:32:10.120 --> 0:32:13.000
<v Speaker 1>just this year. On January one, they said, like, let's

0:32:13.040 --> 0:32:15.520
<v Speaker 1>finish out the two thousand eleven season and then we'll

0:32:15.560 --> 0:32:18.280
<v Speaker 1>ban it shouting from that point they had the last

0:32:18.280 --> 0:32:21.600
<v Speaker 1>one at UH in September. I think September two thousand

0:32:21.680 --> 0:32:26.040
<v Speaker 1>eleven was the last one ever. UM. That's a huge deal.

0:32:26.640 --> 0:32:30.160
<v Speaker 1>But even in Spain they're kind of like this nooty

0:32:30.280 --> 0:32:33.960
<v Speaker 1>Catalans like they don't they don't enjoy bullfighting. I think

0:32:34.000 --> 0:32:36.880
<v Speaker 1>that's made some quarters of Spain even more fiercely proud

0:32:37.000 --> 0:32:40.400
<v Speaker 1>of it. Yeah, probably like Madrid apparently is still very

0:32:40.480 --> 0:32:44.320
<v Speaker 1>proud of their bullfighting UH. In two thousand and ten,

0:32:44.400 --> 0:32:48.080
<v Speaker 1>one of the state television stations said, we are going

0:32:48.160 --> 0:32:51.200
<v Speaker 1>to ban coverage live coverage of it because kids can

0:32:51.200 --> 0:32:54.160
<v Speaker 1>watch this on TV. UM. They happen in the hours

0:32:54.200 --> 0:32:57.360
<v Speaker 1>in the early afternoon hours, in early evening, so they

0:32:57.400 --> 0:33:00.240
<v Speaker 1>won't broadcast until after ten pm. Now, right, Well, there's

0:33:00.280 --> 0:33:04.200
<v Speaker 1>a there's a law that says you can't show animal

0:33:04.240 --> 0:33:09.000
<v Speaker 1>cruelty on Spanish television until after ten pm because of children.

0:33:09.400 --> 0:33:13.760
<v Speaker 1>And so that's effectively banned showing bullfighting in Spain. Um,

0:33:13.800 --> 0:33:17.200
<v Speaker 1>which is a huge blow to it. Um, I guess

0:33:17.200 --> 0:33:20.720
<v Speaker 1>economically or financially, because I mean think about how many

0:33:20.800 --> 0:33:23.920
<v Speaker 1>how much money comes from television deals and sponsorships. If

0:33:23.960 --> 0:33:26.600
<v Speaker 1>you can get rid of it on TV, like, that's that.

0:33:27.360 --> 0:33:31.680
<v Speaker 1>And then there's also, Um, they've shown that there's evidence

0:33:31.760 --> 0:33:35.120
<v Speaker 1>that government, that the federal government of Spain is pretty

0:33:35.200 --> 0:33:38.960
<v Speaker 1>much what's propping up bull fighting these days, because um,

0:33:39.000 --> 0:33:41.440
<v Speaker 1>there were what it went from a thousand bull fights

0:33:41.440 --> 0:33:43.920
<v Speaker 1>in two thousand eight to eight hundred and two dozen

0:33:44.040 --> 0:33:49.480
<v Speaker 1>ten in Spain, and um, that two hundred was almost exclusively, um,

0:33:49.560 --> 0:33:52.680
<v Speaker 1>the result of cuts and government subsidies to small towns

0:33:52.720 --> 0:33:55.320
<v Speaker 1>that can't afford to put on a bull fight. And

0:33:55.400 --> 0:33:57.760
<v Speaker 1>so that means that, yeah, the government's holding the whole

0:33:57.800 --> 0:34:00.640
<v Speaker 1>thing up. Yeah. I read a couple of interesting articles today.

0:34:00.640 --> 0:34:03.640
<v Speaker 1>One of them was from a veterinarian. Uh, and they

0:34:03.680 --> 0:34:10.319
<v Speaker 1>have vets at the bullfight um on staff, I guess ah.

0:34:10.920 --> 0:34:13.319
<v Speaker 1>And this vet went on record as saying they did

0:34:13.320 --> 0:34:16.759
<v Speaker 1>all this testing of like adrenaline and or adrenaline and

0:34:16.800 --> 0:34:21.040
<v Speaker 1>all these different uh chemicals in the body on these

0:34:21.280 --> 0:34:24.240
<v Speaker 1>bulls that had just survived, ones that were dead ones

0:34:24.320 --> 0:34:27.880
<v Speaker 1>before they went in, and basically to prove that the

0:34:27.920 --> 0:34:32.760
<v Speaker 1>bull suffers a great deal because there's this misguided notion

0:34:32.840 --> 0:34:36.760
<v Speaker 1>that the bull doesn't suffer because they're this magical creature.

0:34:37.200 --> 0:34:40.640
<v Speaker 1>I saw this one interview with a Bandaliro and he

0:34:40.719 --> 0:34:43.799
<v Speaker 1>said that a veterinarian this is translated obviously, but he said,

0:34:44.200 --> 0:34:47.280
<v Speaker 1>a veterinarian told me that the bulls have a special

0:34:47.280 --> 0:34:49.600
<v Speaker 1>cell in their body that prevents it from suffering and

0:34:49.640 --> 0:34:55.800
<v Speaker 1>feeling pain. That's not true. Oh are you sure. Yeah,

0:34:55.920 --> 0:34:58.960
<v Speaker 1>there's no special cell that that keeps them from feeling pain. Well,

0:34:58.960 --> 0:35:01.040
<v Speaker 1>that's a that's a larger debate too. I mean, like,

0:35:01.080 --> 0:35:04.520
<v Speaker 1>I believe bulls can suffer. But you know, um, if

0:35:04.560 --> 0:35:07.799
<v Speaker 1>you've read David Foster Wallace is considered the lobster. Can

0:35:07.800 --> 0:35:12.160
<v Speaker 1>a lobster suffer? Is no susception is the perception the

0:35:12.160 --> 0:35:15.920
<v Speaker 1>physical feeling of pain is that the same thing is suffering.

0:35:16.000 --> 0:35:18.719
<v Speaker 1>Now we've shown it's not. Remembering our happiness audiobook, we

0:35:18.760 --> 0:35:22.719
<v Speaker 1>talked about the difference between experiencing physical pain and experiencing

0:35:22.760 --> 0:35:25.439
<v Speaker 1>suffering right now. They actually utilize different parts of the brain.

0:35:25.880 --> 0:35:29.680
<v Speaker 1>So if there's no suffering, is inflicting pain on something

0:35:29.840 --> 0:35:34.800
<v Speaker 1>e g. Cooking it? Um? Is that cruel? That's a

0:35:34.840 --> 0:35:37.720
<v Speaker 1>good point, it is, But I think bulls experienced suffering.

0:35:37.719 --> 0:35:40.720
<v Speaker 1>It's especially if they go through what you describe. Yeah,

0:35:41.040 --> 0:35:43.840
<v Speaker 1>and if you're against bull fighting and you want to

0:35:43.840 --> 0:35:47.480
<v Speaker 1>do something, you can email the or mail the embassies

0:35:47.520 --> 0:35:51.440
<v Speaker 1>of these countries that still participate and tell them that, hey,

0:35:51.480 --> 0:35:53.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to visit your country. I'm not gonna

0:35:53.000 --> 0:35:55.680
<v Speaker 1>spend my money there. If you're still gonna endorse this,

0:35:56.480 --> 0:35:59.080
<v Speaker 1>it's a small thing you can do. Becaun, you mail

0:35:59.160 --> 0:36:02.320
<v Speaker 1>me some wine because I can't make it over. There's

0:36:02.320 --> 0:36:07.239
<v Speaker 1>some temperar neo. Uh. And I just I'm gonna go

0:36:07.280 --> 0:36:09.000
<v Speaker 1>on record as saying this whole thing that it's a

0:36:09.080 --> 0:36:12.440
<v Speaker 1>it's part of the culture is just crap. Well, the

0:36:12.440 --> 0:36:15.480
<v Speaker 1>the Spanish federal government would disagree with you because in

0:36:15.520 --> 0:36:17.319
<v Speaker 1>two dozen tend and what a lot of people see

0:36:17.320 --> 0:36:21.120
<v Speaker 1>as a response to um the Catalonia band Um, the

0:36:21.160 --> 0:36:26.200
<v Speaker 1>Spanish government transferred jurisdiction over bullfighting from the Interior Ministry

0:36:26.400 --> 0:36:30.600
<v Speaker 1>to the cultural ministry, so as an attempt to keep

0:36:30.600 --> 0:36:33.120
<v Speaker 1>it from being banned. It's gonna be uh, it'll be

0:36:33.160 --> 0:36:35.879
<v Speaker 1>a tough fault one. But yeah, apparently even Mexico now

0:36:35.920 --> 0:36:38.799
<v Speaker 1>is entertaining the idea of banning it. You know some

0:36:38.840 --> 0:36:44.760
<v Speaker 1>other things that were defended as culture, genital mutilation on females,

0:36:45.600 --> 0:36:50.120
<v Speaker 1>witch burning, bear baiting. Have you ever heard of that? Um? No.

0:36:50.719 --> 0:36:54.160
<v Speaker 1>Bear baiting was popular in England up until the eighteenth century.

0:36:54.160 --> 0:36:57.560
<v Speaker 1>That is, when you take a bear like a you know,

0:36:57.600 --> 0:37:01.359
<v Speaker 1>grizzly bearer, brown bear, like a clown, well not far off,

0:37:01.600 --> 0:37:03.880
<v Speaker 1>You put it in a pit and chain it to

0:37:03.920 --> 0:37:07.560
<v Speaker 1>a mistake and release dogs on it, and the dogs

0:37:07.840 --> 0:37:10.440
<v Speaker 1>kill the bear or the bear kill some of the dogs,

0:37:10.440 --> 0:37:12.800
<v Speaker 1>so they release more dogs, and people sit around and

0:37:12.840 --> 0:37:15.560
<v Speaker 1>gamble on is the bear gonna get eaten first or

0:37:15.600 --> 0:37:20.240
<v Speaker 1>the dog's gonna get killed first? And uh, it's blood sport.

0:37:20.400 --> 0:37:22.560
<v Speaker 1>And I think this is the same thing. You know. Um,

0:37:22.640 --> 0:37:24.759
<v Speaker 1>that's where bulldogs came from, and that's where they got

0:37:24.800 --> 0:37:28.000
<v Speaker 1>their name from. It's called bull baiting. And bulldogs used

0:37:28.000 --> 0:37:30.839
<v Speaker 1>to not even come close to resembling what they do now.

0:37:31.440 --> 0:37:36.439
<v Speaker 1>They were actually bred to be less vicious. Um. By

0:37:36.480 --> 0:37:39.640
<v Speaker 1>making them slower and dumber and more cuddly, or not dumber,

0:37:39.800 --> 0:37:42.000
<v Speaker 1>but more cuddly. Um. And that's how we have the

0:37:42.040 --> 0:37:45.160
<v Speaker 1>modern bulldogs now. But they evolved from basically uh, in

0:37:45.200 --> 0:37:51.120
<v Speaker 1>the nineteenth century bulldogs. Where we're where um pitple breed

0:37:51.520 --> 0:37:53.040
<v Speaker 1>is now where there are a lot of people being like,

0:37:53.080 --> 0:37:54.799
<v Speaker 1>we just need to wipe this breed off the face

0:37:54.800 --> 0:37:57.960
<v Speaker 1>of the planet. It's gone out of control. They're crazy.

0:37:58.080 --> 0:38:00.879
<v Speaker 1>Everybody scared them. They're killing people. Um. And then they

0:38:00.920 --> 0:38:04.479
<v Speaker 1>managed to breathe the meanness out of them. But bull

0:38:04.600 --> 0:38:07.640
<v Speaker 1>bull baiting to bull baiting bulls just have been taken

0:38:07.680 --> 0:38:14.320
<v Speaker 1>it well. Embarbating actually still happens in Pakistan and it's uh,

0:38:14.360 --> 0:38:22.040
<v Speaker 1>it's horrific. So two from me to you people of Spain, Mexico, France. Uh,

0:38:22.320 --> 0:38:25.360
<v Speaker 1>ritualized killing of animals for people to pay for and

0:38:25.400 --> 0:38:29.920
<v Speaker 1>watch is a little outdated and just silly and cruel,

0:38:30.120 --> 0:38:34.799
<v Speaker 1>and I say, please stop from from chuck to you,

0:38:35.000 --> 0:38:38.399
<v Speaker 1>from me to you. And one more thing. The whole

0:38:38.400 --> 0:38:43.440
<v Speaker 1>notion of culture. Isn't that supposedly to advance your civilization?

0:38:43.680 --> 0:38:47.160
<v Speaker 1>And isn't that supposed to mean like positive things like culture?

0:38:48.120 --> 0:38:51.240
<v Speaker 1>I mean, what brings people together more than the ritual

0:38:52.040 --> 0:38:57.400
<v Speaker 1>down here and wanting wanting bull fight. All right, I'm done. Um, So,

0:38:58.400 --> 0:39:00.480
<v Speaker 1>how do you feel about bullfighting? Person? Which I think

0:39:00.480 --> 0:39:04.040
<v Speaker 1>it's great. If you want to learn more about bull

0:39:04.080 --> 0:39:07.240
<v Speaker 1>fighting UM or Chuck's views on it, you can type

0:39:07.239 --> 0:39:11.880
<v Speaker 1>in Chuck or bull fighting in the search part how

0:39:11.920 --> 0:39:14.719
<v Speaker 1>stuff works dot com. Uh, and I said search bar,

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<v Speaker 1>which means it's time for listener mail. We're very riled

0:39:19.800 --> 0:39:22.160
<v Speaker 1>up listener mail. That's right now. This is calm. I'm

0:39:22.160 --> 0:39:27.440
<v Speaker 1>gonna call this. Uh. Illustrator wrote us about the comics episode. Guys,

0:39:27.440 --> 0:39:31.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm in currently an illustrator. Uh. Does you not have

0:39:31.200 --> 0:39:33.799
<v Speaker 1>much hope for his future in that field? No? I

0:39:33.800 --> 0:39:36.080
<v Speaker 1>think he does. Um. I found because he does like

0:39:36.600 --> 0:39:39.520
<v Speaker 1>Digital Illustration Team. I guess um. I found your podcast

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<v Speaker 1>when I was hip deep in art school at the

0:39:41.680 --> 0:39:44.520
<v Speaker 1>Art Institute of Boston. But there are only so many

0:39:44.560 --> 0:39:46.439
<v Speaker 1>times I could listen to the same old Our Lady

0:39:46.480 --> 0:39:49.879
<v Speaker 1>Peace songs on repeat from that group. No, he had

0:39:49.880 --> 0:39:54.400
<v Speaker 1>like one song into the same song gets which song was?

0:39:54.840 --> 0:39:56.840
<v Speaker 1>I can't remember. I dug it this song. Actually I

0:39:56.880 --> 0:39:59.440
<v Speaker 1>got the CD because of that song. Man, I used

0:39:59.480 --> 0:40:02.319
<v Speaker 1>to fall for out when I was fourteen and just

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<v Speaker 1>be like, that's the only good song on the whole

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<v Speaker 1>CD before the Kiss single. Yeah. Um, I'm now a

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<v Speaker 1>professional illustrator, but I also teach art at a I B.

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<v Speaker 1>And was able to live a many dream when my

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<v Speaker 1>higher ups approached me about teaching a comic book class.

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<v Speaker 1>So he was pretty stoked about this UM on the comics.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is just some things he pointed out on

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<v Speaker 1>the comics code of authority you guys talked about. World

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<v Speaker 1>War Two was long over and the new round of

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<v Speaker 1>superheroes Spider Man, Fantastic Four had yet to emerge from

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<v Speaker 1>the minds of Lee Kirbean Ditko. As a result, comics

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<v Speaker 1>were merely treading water and chasing from fad to fad,

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<v Speaker 1>Westerns to romance to eventually horror. Horror comics are what

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<v Speaker 1>really started to worry everyone, so they began to put

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<v Speaker 1>pressure on companies like EC, who had made their names

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<v Speaker 1>in Over the Top four. In turn, EC basically jettisoned

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<v Speaker 1>at Steak in horror comics and latched onto a little

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<v Speaker 1>humor comic, uh Mad, which we talked about. It was

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<v Speaker 1>like UM stories guaranteed to drive you mad, exactly the original,

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<v Speaker 1>but to this point Mad was published basically as a

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<v Speaker 1>comic book. In essence, EC was looking to hedge its bets,

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<v Speaker 1>so it relaunched Mad as a magazine UM, which is

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<v Speaker 1>a very different distinction because all of a sudden wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>under the code of authority. Uh. We were blessed with

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<v Speaker 1>the very first Mad magazine, a very calculated move since

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<v Speaker 1>they were not heavily scrutinized by comics and they didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have to worry about the comics code. It is UM.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope to make it big as a comics illustrator

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<v Speaker 1>in children's book illustrator who says I can't do both.

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<v Speaker 1>I also thought you might like to know that you're

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<v Speaker 1>keeping me company during these long hours chasing the dream.

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<v Speaker 1>And this dude's stuff is awesome and if you want

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<v Speaker 1>to hire Greg Marathus, you can get in touch with

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<v Speaker 1>him at the Greg Marathas Studio, which is g R

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<v Speaker 1>E G M A R A T h A s

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<v Speaker 1>dot com or Rida's blog Greg Maratha dot blog spot

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<v Speaker 1>dot com. Nice and stuff is very cool. I told

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<v Speaker 1>him I'd keep them in mind if we ever needed

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<v Speaker 1>we could do some drawings. We need some Facebook timeline drawings.

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<v Speaker 1>If he's holling to work for free, you get to it.

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<v Speaker 1>Did we remember we um we got chastised biographic designer

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<v Speaker 1>for holding that T shirt contest. Yeah, I emailed him back.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually we did use to calm them down. Uh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, you know, most of these were amateur designers.

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<v Speaker 1>There was some pros in there, but never mind. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's not like we've forced anybody to do with But

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<v Speaker 1>there's a whole there's a whole movement um from designers

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<v Speaker 1>about design contests being awful, Like what other industry basically

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<v Speaker 1>asked for free work as a contest quote unquote, there's

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<v Speaker 1>like fiction contests. Yeah, there's all kinds of so box Derby's. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of stuff that people do for free

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<v Speaker 1>as part of a contest, bake offs or bakes off.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry. And I saw some designers that say, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't agree with that contests make me better and that's

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<v Speaker 1>a ridiculous idea. Architecture as a field has been in

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<v Speaker 1>contest mode for a century or more, and like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's there's a lot of work put into it. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of work put into graphic design. Contests are

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<v Speaker 1>everywhere I think that's a ridiculous stance. Well, his point

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<v Speaker 1>was because he mailed me back and he was like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>find the contest is fine, but you should give them

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<v Speaker 1>a cut of the T shirt sales. I don't disagree

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<v Speaker 1>with that. Well, I know that we had no choice. Well, no,

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<v Speaker 1>we're in no position whatsoever to share that told him

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<v Speaker 1>due if it was up to me, they would get

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<v Speaker 1>of the T shirt sales. I don't know about that. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't get any well, I know, but still we

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<v Speaker 1>could if we could negotiate on their behalf, we would

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<v Speaker 1>work a little bit in for us to what a

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<v Speaker 1>volatile episode right to the end. So I guess if

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<v Speaker 1>you want to express your volatility UM toward us, that's cool.

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