1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:02,920 Speaker 1: Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve camera. 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to Stuff you should know 3 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:16,479 Speaker 1: from House Stuff Works dot Com. Hey, and welcome to 4 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: the podcast. I'm Josh Clark with me. It's always Charles W. 5 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: Chuck Bryant, hol A, Chuck Hola, Hola right back catching Um. 6 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: How are you doing? I'm great? How are you? I'm 7 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: doing pretty good? Yeah. Yeah, I've been learning a lot 8 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 1: about bull foling lately. I don't know if you know. 9 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 1: You mean bull killing. Bull fighting is what it's culture. 10 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:41,240 Speaker 1: It's not what I call it. Or you could also 11 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 1: call it a cardido cordida. Boy, here we go corrida. 12 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:50,840 Speaker 1: Have you ever been to Spain? No? Have you? Yeah? 13 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 1: Where I've been to? Uh? And then um Tosa de 14 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: Mar which is little coastal town near Barcelona there on 15 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 1: the coastal Brava, very nice. Have you been to Okay? Yeah? 16 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:11,679 Speaker 1: Very Have you seen a bullfight? No? I would not, 17 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 1: I would not do that, sir, I have seen a 18 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: bull fight. And um, to offend you even further, not 19 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: only was it a bullfight, it started off with a 20 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 1: cock fight. It was in Cancoon. I saw it with 21 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 1: my sister and my dad, and UM, it was crazy 22 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 1: because we were we were there and it was a 23 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: bullfight like. It wasn't like you could have accidentally walked 24 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 1: into this thing like it was a bullfight. Um. And 25 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 1: I would say of the people there were um, white, 26 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 1: probably American tourists, who booed and yelled and shouted things 27 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: the whole time. And I remember thinking of that one 28 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 1: Simpsons where um, Lisa was having a nightmare about being 29 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 1: second chairs for sacks phone in the school band, and um, 30 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: at the concert, everybody was booing and she wakes up 31 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:08,799 Speaker 1: and thinks, like, why would everybody come just to boo? 32 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:12,359 Speaker 1: It was exactly like that. People came just to boom 33 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: to bullfight. Well, that is one people who who say 34 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: bullfighting is not good, of which I'm one of them, 35 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: say that that's one of the only reasons bull fights 36 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: are still even going on is because of tourists. That 37 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:28,920 Speaker 1: they're the ones buying the tickets. And many times those 38 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: tourists get there and they're horrified and they leave early 39 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:39,640 Speaker 1: and think, wow, no refunds making no exactly he just 40 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: funded bullfighting. Yeah exactly, sucker. Um. A couple of quick 41 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: stats roughly to between two hundred and two hundred and 42 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 1: fifty thousand bulls are killed each year from bull fights, 43 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 1: from bull fights, and um, I'm not sure if this 44 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 1: is accurate, but the number I got was it fifty 45 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 1: two matadors have been killed since. I'm surprised it's that few. 46 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 1: Have you heard of Julio Aparichio? If you have a 47 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 1: very strong constitution, Uncle Josh warns you against this one. Yeah, 48 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 1: holy cow. It was almost like, how is that not photoshops? 49 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: It was perfect? The horns so Julio Apariccio was he 50 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 1: fell down and bull got the best of him, gored 51 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 1: him with his with its horns, with his horns because 52 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: bull um and what a boy? Huh, and gordon under 53 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 1: his chin and it threw his through his neck and 54 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 1: then the horn came out of his mouth perfectly. And 55 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: m a guy from getting Images got a close up 56 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: of it, like like fifty of them. It's it's amazing. 57 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 1: I haven't seen the video. It's on the YouTube and 58 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: it's one of those that's so awful that you have 59 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 1: to like sign in and verify your age before you 60 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 1: watch it. And I do not advise people to watch this. 61 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 1: I don't even advise you to see the too. Look 62 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 1: at the Daily Mail article that has it. But it's 63 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:16,280 Speaker 1: pretty crazy. But yes it happens. And I'm surprised that 64 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:19,480 Speaker 1: only how many fifties seven? The stat I got was 65 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 1: fifty two in the last you know, three hundred plus years. Um, 66 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:26,600 Speaker 1: so there's not much of a fight going on. And 67 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:32,039 Speaker 1: matador is actually Spanish for killer, so is it really Um, yes, 68 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: they're killer bulls for sure. It's the whole point, Like 69 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,359 Speaker 1: there's really no gray area here, like bull fighting is 70 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 1: the the purpose of it is to kill the bull. Yeah, 71 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:44,720 Speaker 1: under certain conditions or um, within a certain framework. But 72 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: that's the point of bullfighting. It's not anything but that. 73 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 1: And if the matador fails to kill the bull, that's 74 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: on him and it is a huge disgrace, like that's 75 00:04:55,320 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: a that's a loss, and it's it's not very good right. Um, 76 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 1: what I start, I'm starting to suspect that you are 77 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: a post bull fighting Um. There are a lot of 78 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 1: people and apparently Spain's um. I mean in Spain, it's 79 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 1: like a natural cultural thing. It's been around for a while, 80 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 1: and even people who feel the same way you do 81 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 1: still say I still don't think it should be illegal. 82 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 1: It's just too much a part of our tradition. Not 83 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:27,040 Speaker 1: everyone feels that way, though, No, definitely not. They did 84 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:30,040 Speaker 1: a gallop pole in two thousand ten and seventy of 85 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 1: Spaniards said that they were ready to do away with it. Yeah, 86 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 1: that's a lot of Spaniards. And that's up from like 87 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 1: fifteen years earlier. So in this modern day, people are 88 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 1: starting to think twice about it. Well, let's let's talk 89 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:47,039 Speaker 1: about this, Chuck, Let's talk about how how long people 90 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:50,479 Speaker 1: have been fighting bulls on the Iberian Peninsula. We don't know, 91 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 1: Fox Show, but um, there is evidence of bull rituals 92 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: dating back all the way to BC. Yeah. The Mycenaeans 93 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:04,599 Speaker 1: apparently used to leap over bulls that were charging. It 94 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:07,160 Speaker 1: was like a thing, and they were always revered, you know, 95 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 1: as like these godlike creatures, which is why I guess 96 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: they want to kill him. What. Yeah, what's the taurus? One? Taurus? 97 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:17,719 Speaker 1: Is that the Is that an astrological sign? Yeah? Okay, yeah, 98 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:22,839 Speaker 1: of course pretty ancient. Uh. The article points out that 99 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 1: the Visigoth rule Um of the Iberian Peninsula from fourteen 100 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:34,159 Speaker 1: fifteen to seven eleven um No. Four fifteen four fifteen 101 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 1: to seven eleven, UM had men on horseback fighting bulls um, 102 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:43,480 Speaker 1: which evolved into mounted bullfighting which uh rijneo, which still 103 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: exists in Portugal horseback bullfighting where they kill the bull 104 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 1: outside the ring. Later on, right, they weaken it to 105 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:54,919 Speaker 1: a certain point, which is the equivalent of killing the 106 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:57,359 Speaker 1: bull is far. I guess there's some point of no 107 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: return that the Portuguese understand and they're like, okay, well 108 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:05,840 Speaker 1: we're done, come outside, and then that's that. But as 109 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: anybody who's opposed bullfighting will tell you, that's not any 110 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 1: more humane. Of course, it's just out of sight of 111 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: the spectators. Um. So yeah, you've got what is it? 112 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 1: Ray hoo rayjono joo um. And then uh. Bull fighting 113 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 1: itself as we understand it today was firmly established in 114 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 1: Spain by the eleventh century UM, and it came about 115 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 1: during festivals, specifically one festival called the Fiesta descind Ferminton 116 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 1: and anybody has been to Pampalonna will recognize that because 117 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: that's where the running of the bulls takes place. And 118 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: when in July now so I seven when it used 119 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 1: to be September. And then in the sixteenth century they 120 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 1: moved it to July, and ever since then the running 121 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 1: of the bulls has been held. But it's been going 122 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 1: on since long before that. And it actually started with 123 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: a bunch of um ranchers their kids moving the bulls 124 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: from like their pens to about a half a mile 125 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: to the arena. Um. And then people started running alongside 126 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 1: him and evolved into the running of the bulls. Now 127 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: interesting els said the Spanish military leader uh midd eleventh century. 128 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 1: He was one of the first to actually bring it 129 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 1: into the arena and make it the sanctioned corrida, which 130 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 1: was government sanctioned is today at least, but what's back then, 131 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:35,679 Speaker 1: I'm financially supported by governments to fifteenth century. It was 132 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:39,199 Speaker 1: a big part of the aristocracy until Queen Isabella came 133 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 1: along and said this is not cool. I don't know 134 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 1: why she was against it, probably because she was an 135 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:48,439 Speaker 1: animal lover. I would say that's probably a good idea, 136 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 1: and Pope Pious UM five almost said the uh he 137 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: banned it. But that didn't last very long, um only 138 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 1: about eight years, because people were into it pretty pretty 139 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: big time, right um. And then in about the I 140 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: guess in the six d is when that that whole 141 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:13,839 Speaker 1: divergence between horseback and foot bull foot bull fighting took place, 142 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: and it remained um the sport of the aristocracy until 143 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 1: Philip the came along and he said, you know what, 144 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 1: this is barbaric. You would have to be a low 145 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 1: class barbarian to engage in bullfighting. So if you remember 146 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:34,199 Speaker 1: my court and you get caught doing this, I'll shoot 147 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 1: you in the knee. And the aristocracy said, well, we 148 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 1: want our knees in tack, so we're gonna stop doing this. 149 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: And at this point bullfighting transferred from a kind of 150 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 1: high flutant, snooty pastime to the them the pastime of 151 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 1: the people, the national sport of the Spanish people, and 152 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 1: from that point on it's it's stayed that way. Yeah, 153 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:01,239 Speaker 1: but they they The author does point there are arenas 154 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 1: in Spain that still have the royal boxes for the 155 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 1: royal family right to attend these things, so it hasn't 156 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: gone away completely as far as that goes. So Spain 157 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 1: is the heart and life center of um bullfighting, but 158 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: there's other places that it's held. Obviously, I saw him 159 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: in cancun Um. And if you're a bullfighter, you can 160 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:26,679 Speaker 1: follow the season pretty much year round and get work 161 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 1: if you're good the heaven France. Did you know that? 162 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 1: I didn't, but I saw that it's been It was 163 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 1: banned in the UK. Had no idea anybody was fighting 164 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: bulls and going on in Germany. It was going on 165 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:41,079 Speaker 1: all over the place. It's crazy. But that doesn't make 166 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 1: sense that it would happen in Germany if the Visigoths 167 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 1: are the ones who introduced it to the Iberian Peninsula 168 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 1: because they were Germanic people from south of the south. 169 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 1: Norway will call you south Way. I don't think the Goths. Uh. 170 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 1: So we'll walk you through what happens in a in 171 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:04,560 Speaker 1: a corrida um in this whitewashed article version. But um, 172 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 1: before this ever happens, we'll walk you through the couple 173 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:12,560 Speaker 1: of days before the bull even gets to the ring. Oh, 174 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 1: this is a special treat for me. It is the bull. 175 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 1: Um is not an aggressive animal at all. Bull likes 176 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 1: to hang around in chew grass and uh smell flowers. 177 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: That sounds like bullfighting propaganda to me. No, Ferdinand, the 178 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 1: bull it's like a sweet creature. But they actually are 179 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 1: not aggressive. They're only um gonna charge somebody if they're 180 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 1: threatened and angry, which is what bullfighting is all about. Um. 181 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:40,839 Speaker 1: So in the two days prior to the bull showing 182 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:44,959 Speaker 1: up at the arena, they are abused. Um they are 183 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 1: uh basically mentally destroyed versions of what a bull should be. 184 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 1: You're fat bull. While they do fatten them up to 185 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: make them slow. Well, that's a big problem, and you 186 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:03,680 Speaker 1: can call somebody out for that, Okay. Um. They have 187 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 1: wet newspaper stuffed in their ears so they can't hear anything. 188 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 1: They have vasoline rubbed on their eyes so their visions blurred. 189 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 1: They have their eyes taped open so they can't sleep. Uh. 190 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 1: They stuffed cotton up their nostrils so they can't breathe 191 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 1: very well, and they stick and needle through their genitals. 192 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 1: That'll that'll take anybody off. They rubbed this caustic solution 193 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:26,559 Speaker 1: on their legs, which makes the bull not be able 194 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 1: to balance and uh keeps the bull from lying down. Ever. 195 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 1: They strap their horns to the ceiling of their transport 196 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 1: truck uh to take them on their long hot journey's 197 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 1: wherever they're going. And for the two days before they 198 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: keep them in a in a box. Oh wait, I'm sorry, 199 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 1: that's not all they give them drugs to either pep 200 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 1: them up or slow them down, just to keep them 201 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 1: in whatever state they want them in, and give them 202 00:12:53,679 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 1: laxatives uh, to just obviously make things even more uncomfortable. Um. 203 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:02,680 Speaker 1: Then they put the bull in the in this dark 204 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 1: box for two days uh to disorient the bull. Finally, 205 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:09,319 Speaker 1: when they open the box, there's a light at the 206 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:11,559 Speaker 1: end of the tunnel that the bull thinks, my god, 207 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: I'm finally getting out of here. Runs to the light 208 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:16,079 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden they're in a bull ring, right, 209 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: And there's trumpets and fanfare and people cheering, um, and 210 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 1: the bulls like, oh cool, how's how's that? Hey, how 211 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 1: are y'all doing? I've been through some rough times lately. Um. 212 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 1: Some of that stuff, I think if you were found out, 213 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 1: you would be disqualified immediately, especially doing stuff that slowed 214 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:42,440 Speaker 1: the bull down or made it less dangerous. Yes, the 215 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 1: bull ring is a ring for a reason. Um. Bulls 216 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 1: would want to go try and hide in a corner, 217 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 1: but the ring, the circular ring, will confuse in a 218 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: bull to where it can't hide anywhere. Have you ever 219 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: seen that footage of that bowl that like makes it 220 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 1: up into the stands, Like jumps up and then is 221 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 1: in the stands like on top of people. It was crazy. 222 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:05,839 Speaker 1: Was that bull run our test? No? Do you get 223 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:09,560 Speaker 1: that joke? Okay? So the different acts I believe are 224 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 1: called ter CEOs. Yes, I believe so. And there's three 225 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 1: of them, right, Yes, there's three of them. And the 226 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: that's three acts in a fight in a cardido, yes, 227 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 1: in a bull fight. Yeah, and um there's no suspense 228 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 1: going on either by the way they all go down 229 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: the same way. I bet it's suspenseful for the bull. Um. 230 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 1: So the bull comes out the first act or what? Uh? Yeah? 231 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: Act one? Okay. In act one there are um guys 232 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 1: called peka doors and they're mounted on horseback and they 233 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 1: are basically, um, I guess, low level torreros or bullfighters 234 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 1: because both. A matador is not the only kind of bullfighter. 235 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 1: He is the cream of the crop, pinnacle of bullfighters, 236 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: the well paid rock star. Yes, um, but he works 237 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 1: with the crew of pika doors who show up in 238 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 1: the first act, and bandilli airos who show up in 239 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 1: the second act. But the pika doors what they do 240 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 1: is they lance the bowl between his shoulder blades, around 241 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 1: his neck muscles and the whole point of this chuck. 242 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: You'll love this one is to weaken the neck muscles 243 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 1: so that the bull's head hangs so that the matador 244 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: can get to its heart more easily. Yeah. It also 245 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 1: hits a gland in the neck that releases adrenaline. Apparently. 246 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 1: Um so they lanced the bull three times and twist 247 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 1: the blade around to ensure maximum blood loss. Um. Three 248 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: matadors will now come in. They will fight individually later on, 249 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 1: but they all come in at first in the first 250 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 1: act with their capes. And this is and for the 251 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 1: for the bull fight, it's an afternoon of them. There's 252 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 1: six bowls and three matadors, and each matador fights two 253 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: bowls and each bull fight takes about fifty in twenty minutes. Yes. 254 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 1: Um so they come in with their little capes and 255 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 1: uh do their little maneuvers to draw attention away from 256 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 1: the pika doors. And the Pika doors go and hide 257 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 1: behind their little walls. They have these interior walls that 258 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 1: they can hide behind. Whenever the bull starts to get 259 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 1: too dangerous, they run and hide behind these walls. Yes, 260 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 1: or if this America, the Pika doors would be dressed 261 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 1: as clowns and would hide in barrels. Look at rodeo. Yeah, 262 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 1: it will do a rodeo podcast at some point. Do 263 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: we have to sure they don't. I don't think they 264 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: kill the cals and rodeos. Okay, Um, So the pika 265 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 1: doors leave the ring, the matadors leave the ring at 266 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 1: two begins, and the vandel Garros, I know that's a 267 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 1: tough one. They're they're basically bullfighters, assistant bullfighters. Put they're 268 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 1: on foot, yes, and if you've ever seen a bullfighter 269 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 1: a picture of bull fight, bulls seem to have some 270 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 1: um crepe barbed sticking out of him. That's the bandelierros work. Yes, 271 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:12,160 Speaker 1: and that is called a bandias and it's a barbed dart. 272 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: It's adorned colorfully. The bulls aren't the only things dying 273 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 1: in this episode, and so was the Spanish language, because 274 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: we are butchering it. I'm trying uh this of course, 275 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 1: further weekends the bull um so the mighty Matador doesn't 276 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: have much work to do, so the bull is still dangerous. 277 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 1: Um are They run in circles at this point to 278 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 1: to get it nice and dizzy and confused. The manador 279 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 1: comes out for the final act and he has ten 280 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: ten official minutes to kill the bull, well, to do 281 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 1: a little showing off first and then kill the bull. 282 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 1: Um after the ten minute warning. After the ten minutes 283 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:54,119 Speaker 1: he gets in a viso, which is a warning first warning. 284 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 1: After three minutes he gets another one, and then he 285 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 1: gets a third one, so he has a total of 286 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 1: in actuality fifteen minutes to kill the bull or else 287 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 1: the bull is let out alive and the matadors disgraced. 288 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: But for the most part, the matador is going to 289 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 1: dispatch the bull, and um, he does it. He first 290 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 1: starts using the cape. And the cape is always held 291 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 1: in the left hand. Is it? That's all right handed? Dudes? 292 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 1: I did not. I was looking, and I could even 293 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:21,680 Speaker 1: tell that they were. Um there, the cape was kind 294 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:23,920 Speaker 1: of clumsy held in the left hand. They were still 295 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 1: holding it in the left hand. Well, the guys I 296 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:28,399 Speaker 1: saw were practicing, So maybe I don't know, but I 297 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:30,160 Speaker 1: don't see why they would practice with their right hand. 298 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 1: I don't either. Okay, but you have a cape in 299 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 1: one hand, you have a sword in the other. Yes, 300 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:38,399 Speaker 1: and the point of the cape, by the way, we 301 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 1: should probably get to this now. Um cape is always 302 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:46,439 Speaker 1: red because red Anger's bulls right not true. Balls are 303 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 1: color blind, so they're not angered by red or any 304 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 1: other color. What does get them going is the movement 305 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:56,400 Speaker 1: of the cape and sticking swords in their neck. That's 306 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 1: another thing that gets them going. Um. And actually that's 307 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 1: not necessarily true. By the time the manador comes out, 308 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 1: sometimes the um the bowl is really tired from blood 309 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 1: loss and being tortured for a couple of days apparently, um. 310 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:12,680 Speaker 1: And so the manador really kind of has to work 311 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 1: to get it riled up again. And even though the 312 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 1: bulls just like, just kill me, manador is like, not yet, 313 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:22,439 Speaker 1: we have a crowd to please first, So um the 314 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 1: the manador. Eventually after the cape work is done. Um. 315 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:30,200 Speaker 1: Oh the cape is read by the way to high bloodstains. Um. 316 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:34,160 Speaker 1: Once the cape work is done, the manador will um 317 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:37,359 Speaker 1: as the bull runs past him, will plunge the sword 318 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 1: in between his shoulder blades and what's called a estoccata, 319 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:46,400 Speaker 1: which is the death blow. And uh. It properly delivered 320 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 1: estocata will sever the bulls a order and that will 321 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:52,680 Speaker 1: be that almost immediately for the bull. If it's not 322 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 1: done correctly, then the bull can be in even more 323 00:19:56,080 --> 00:20:00,399 Speaker 1: tremendous pain as it bleeds out. But to protecting into this, 324 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 1: a bandeliero will come out and immediately deliver any any 325 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 1: another thrust of a blade to make sure the bull 326 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 1: is dead with a plantilla a smaller knife. Ideally they 327 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:20,400 Speaker 1: killed him with one blow. That rarely happens because apparently 328 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: matadors aren't so great at doing that anymore. I don't 329 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:26,199 Speaker 1: know if they ever were. And uh, a lot of 330 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 1: times the bull lives even through the smaller knife plunge 331 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 1: and is still alive when the ears and tail or 332 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:35,680 Speaker 1: hoof or cut off and presented to the matador. We 333 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:40,399 Speaker 1: usually there's a there's another fail safe um where they 334 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 1: just bring out a tractor and run the bull over 335 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:46,400 Speaker 1: a bunch of times to make sure that it's that's 336 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,680 Speaker 1: so nice. If that doesn't work, then the people come 337 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 1: down from the stands and just start shooting it. That's 338 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 1: not true, and it's not funny. It's not funny because 339 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 1: it's not true, and they oftentimes do survive hanging on 340 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 1: by read. Their lungs are punctured, so they're bleeding, like 341 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 1: drowning in their own blood and like vomiting up blood 342 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 1: through their nose and mouth like a whale. Dying and flurry. Uh. 343 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 1: And sometimes they will take it outside and skin it 344 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:17,199 Speaker 1: while it's even still alive. Yeah, that's a kind of 345 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:20,680 Speaker 1: a tradition. Um. I saw the bull after the bullfight. 346 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:24,239 Speaker 1: It was pretty sad. Um. They take the bull right 347 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:28,119 Speaker 1: outside and um, they'll dress it and then sell the 348 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:32,920 Speaker 1: meat at the stadium. Um, which is customary and very strange, 349 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 1: but that's one of the aspects of bullfighting. If you've 350 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 1: ever wanted a bull burger and you wanted to eat 351 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:42,119 Speaker 1: it right after you saw it die, go to a 352 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:46,360 Speaker 1: bullfight in Spain. Uh. They will drag the bull out 353 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:51,160 Speaker 1: with some mules attached to chains. And UM, I don't 354 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:54,119 Speaker 1: know if the booing booing you heard, because apparently the 355 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 1: people will boo and throw beer cans at the bull 356 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:58,440 Speaker 1: at the end. I don't know if that's what you were. 357 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:02,359 Speaker 1: It depends, so depends Um. No, no, no, no, that's 358 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 1: this was. They were booing the matador, the bliros, the doors, everybody. 359 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 1: They were booing a whole country of Mexico for this. Um. 360 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 1: Yeah they're booing everybody. No. Um, it depends on the bull. 361 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,160 Speaker 1: If the bull was um a woss, then I could 362 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:21,679 Speaker 1: see the fans throwing beer cans at it. There's also 363 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:25,360 Speaker 1: um that an aspect of this that cannot be denied 364 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 1: that a bull that shows great bravery, anger, um spirit, spunk, 365 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 1: really tries to kill the matador or the bandili arrows 366 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 1: will be very much revered by the people in the 367 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 1: stands and gruesomely UM. They'll bring it out for a 368 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,399 Speaker 1: victory lap, being dragged by the mules in a circle 369 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,360 Speaker 1: around the arena. After it's dead, or apparently while it's 370 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 1: still dying, people will cheer it through roses for it UM. 371 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:56,119 Speaker 1: And there's a there's a a UM. There's a rule 372 00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:00,639 Speaker 1: where the crowd or the matador can ask for in 373 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:05,440 Speaker 1: uh indolito, which is a reprieve for a particularly courageous bull, 374 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 1: and the president of the of the bullfight the referee 375 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 1: can say, yes, I give this bullet reprieve because it's 376 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 1: such an awesome bowl. We're gonna let it live. And 377 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 1: the manador proceeds to um with an empty hand simulate 378 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 1: the death blow, saying I could have killed the bull, 379 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 1: but I like the bull so much I lobbied to 380 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:28,640 Speaker 1: get it released. That bull is taken away and UM 381 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 1: put out the stud for the rest of its life. 382 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:35,919 Speaker 1: And there was one it's very rare to get an indulto. Um, 383 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:41,359 Speaker 1: And there was one one bull called Manzanito in he 384 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 1: got an indulto because he gored all three manadors in 385 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 1: the plaza that day. Wow. That that that will get 386 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 1: you off right there. You get to go stud for 387 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 1: the rest of your life. Mr. Bull. Horses are also abused. 388 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 1: The ones that participate, their ears are stuffed with newspaper, 389 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 1: wet newspaper, the blindfolded, and they sever their vocal cords 390 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 1: so they can't scream out in pain because people don't 391 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 1: want to hear that. Yeah, people don't like that, So 392 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 1: they sever the vocal cords. So the horses that are, 393 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 1: you know, trembling in fear inside this ring at this bowl, 394 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:20,160 Speaker 1: don't bark out and let people know that. And if 395 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,200 Speaker 1: the horses are hurt, they take them out of the 396 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 1: ring and patch them up and send them right back 397 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 1: in there. Where are you getting this activist info all 398 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:32,159 Speaker 1: over the place? Yeah, yeah, okay, I mean it's not 399 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,680 Speaker 1: activist info, it's how it goes down. No, it all 400 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 1: just kind of has a certain ring to it. I'm 401 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,880 Speaker 1: not disputing it. I'm just saying like, yeah, well, I mean, 402 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 1: coming out of my mouth, it probably sounds activist because 403 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 1: I think it's an awful thing to do something like this. 404 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 1: But this is the these is the facts. Okay, Well 405 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 1: in check you will love the next part wherein we 406 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 1: talk about famous matador. Yeah, I feel free. So uh, 407 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 1: people have been doing this since well, we said like 408 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:00,879 Speaker 1: the eleventh century, right, El sid was supposedly the first 409 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 1: guy to fight a bull in an arena. UM, and 410 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 1: since then it's it's just become huge, big business. UM. 411 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 1: But the first reel and probably only real golden age 412 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 1: if you call it that, bullfighting happened UM from nineteen fourteen, 413 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 1: and there were two matadors, Juan Belmonte Garcia and Jose Gomez, 414 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 1: who fought bulls under the name joslit though um had 415 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:37,680 Speaker 1: a rivalry and um. Belmonte Garcia was actually the first 416 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:42,120 Speaker 1: guy apparently to stand still or stand his ground when 417 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,640 Speaker 1: he was doing cape work with a bull rather than 418 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,639 Speaker 1: try to run away from the bull. He's in fantasy footwork. 419 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 1: Jsalito was his rival, and the rivalry was really going swimmingly, 420 00:25:56,440 --> 00:26:00,119 Speaker 1: I guess for everybody but the bulls, until Hosalito was 421 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 1: fatally gored UM at a match that both of them 422 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 1: were at Garcia and Jsalito were fighting at um in 423 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 1: N and that end of the Golden age of bullfighting. 424 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:15,920 Speaker 1: You'll be happy to hear. He must have been small Zalito. Yeah, 425 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:17,880 Speaker 1: his name is Jose, and I think if you're Jose 426 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:19,919 Speaker 1: and they call you hosalito, that means you're small, like 427 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,639 Speaker 1: add that eto to anything Alito or young because he 428 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 1: started very young. Oh yeah, maybe that's true. He started 429 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 1: at age thirteen, um and he was only I think 430 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:35,479 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five when he died. When he was gord so. Uh. 431 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 1: Another guy who's gorge is named Manuel Rodriguez E Sanchez. 432 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 1: Do you think that's like the mothers and the father's 433 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,399 Speaker 1: names when it's two last names and there's an e 434 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,440 Speaker 1: in and in the middle. I don't know. I would 435 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 1: think so. And well, Rodriguez in Sanchez. You put the 436 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 1: Rodriguez together and the Sanchez is together and you get 437 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 1: Manuel also known as Menelette. Maybe so. And he was 438 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 1: Gordon in He was the top matador from nineteen forty 439 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,359 Speaker 1: and nineteen forty seven, and I think is goring and 440 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 1: the end of his being the top mattador was not coincidental. 441 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 1: I think you're probably right. Uh, should we talk about 442 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 1: the bulls because it's very specific what kind of bulls 443 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 1: are fighting. They're all four years old, which I didn't know, 444 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:27,920 Speaker 1: I didn't, um, and they are specifically bred to bullfight. 445 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 1: In the weigh about thirt hundred pounds. You want to 446 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 1: translate that niquilas for our friends, it's that's right. And um, 447 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 1: they are bread and ranches. And this article says that 448 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:43,679 Speaker 1: they're tested for bravery and ferocity and that if you 449 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:47,639 Speaker 1: pass that test, you would become a fighting bull. Um. 450 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:52,199 Speaker 1: And that may be true sometimes, but uh, matadors like 451 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 1: to make their money and they don't want to be gored. 452 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,920 Speaker 1: So the high falutin mattadors will request very placid, docile 453 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 1: bulls just to keep the show going. Is that true? 454 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 1: That's what That's what I read. Okay, So have they 455 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:08,919 Speaker 1: just want to put on the show, you know, they 456 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 1: don't want to die too? Well, I'm sure they don't 457 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:12,399 Speaker 1: want to want to make They want to make a 458 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 1: few million bucks a year doing it easy too, because 459 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:19,159 Speaker 1: they get paid about a hundred grand a bullfight and 460 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 1: they can do maybe thirty to forty or more. Yeah, 461 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:26,720 Speaker 1: I know the um Oh, the guy bel Monte. He 462 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 1: had a record hundred and nine bullfights in It's like 463 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 1: in Rocky three when he was fighting all the chumps 464 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,399 Speaker 1: just for a pay day. Oh yeah, he didn't want 465 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 1: any real challenge. But ultimately he did want a real 466 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 1: challenge because he fight. He fought Draco, well, he fought 467 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 1: Clever Lang and three and three it was the Russian. 468 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 1: Three was clever Lane. No, yeah, the first two were Apollo, 469 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 1: the third was Clever Langing. The fourth was the Russian. 470 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 1: I thought that he was, uh, Tommy Morrison. And then 471 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 1: the six was when he came back as a trainer, huh. 472 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 1: And the seventh was him enjoying a nice sandwich for 473 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 1: two hours. No, Rocky three was definitely clever Line, because 474 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 1: that was my favorite one until I got older and 475 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 1: I realized that the person one was actually the better one. 476 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 1: You know. I thought that I would think that too, 477 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 1: and then I went back and watched it as an adult. 478 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 1: I'm like, I mean, it's pretty good, but man, I 479 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 1: loved it. There's just too much character development, and for 480 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 1: a Rocky movie, well, it was a love story. It 481 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 1: wasn't even a boxing movie. Wrong with you, I understand, 482 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 1: but it was a love story starring and written and 483 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 1: directed by Sylvester Stallone. That's right, all right, Back to 484 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 1: the bulls. Bulls are never exposed to more than one fight. Yeah, 485 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 1: so apparently they have very good memories, so they learned 486 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 1: how to out due the uh, the matador in their 487 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 1: in their cape. So that's why they don't fit them twice. 488 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 1: And the guys who test their ferocity for I guess 489 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 1: the ones that are tested, those are done on horseback, 490 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 1: so that the bulls not like, oh I remember as capes, 491 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get you, I associate you with laxatives. Well, 492 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 1: even this article says that they they alter bulls to 493 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 1: make them easier to fight. But this is what I'm saying, so, um, 494 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 1: it's a very participatory sport for the spectators. Um. So, 495 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 1: like you can ask for an indolito, you can also 496 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 1: challenge or charge uh somebody with fighting an altered bowl, 497 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 1: one that's overfed and too fat and slow, one whose 498 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 1: horns have been altered, because apparently the tips of the 499 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,960 Speaker 1: horns of a bull are very much like a cat's whiskers, 500 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 1: and if you remove that, the bull is not going 501 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 1: to have a very good sense of kinetics. And will 502 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:43,720 Speaker 1: never hit the matador. So if the crowd thinks that 503 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 1: your career is like over pal, that's why I don't 504 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 1: think it's quite as widespread either that or else. Um. 505 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 1: Bullfighting crowds have become complacent. Well, I think that's definitely true. Yeah, Well, 506 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 1: because it's tourists they don't know how to spot a 507 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 1: fat bull, Well, then that very well may be the case. 508 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 1: And they also apparently the way they stabbed them and 509 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 1: where they stabbed them, they do so in order to 510 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 1: make sure they charge straight instead of like I've got 511 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 1: a bad left leg, all of a sudden, I'm gonna 512 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:18,960 Speaker 1: be going left all day or right all day. So, Chuck, 513 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,640 Speaker 1: we mentioned that you can make a pretty decent living 514 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:27,600 Speaker 1: doing bull fights, but you also mentioned, um that there's 515 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 1: there may be the death of bull fighting as it were. 516 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 1: Do you think that's really true. I mean, seriously, people 517 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 1: have been doing this since the fourth century, and now, 518 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, just because of a bad economy 519 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 1: and animal activism, bullfighting is going down. It's starting to well. 520 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,400 Speaker 1: The polls that the popular sentiment is changing in Spain 521 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 1: over the past fifteen years is one um. Catalonia is 522 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 1: the first region in mainland Spain to actually ban it 523 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 1: in Barcelona's in Catalana. You, yeah, which is big because 524 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:05,480 Speaker 1: Barcelonlona had not one, not two, but three bullfighting arenas. 525 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 1: That's right, and that took effect. That took effect actually 526 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 1: just this year. On January one, they said, like, let's 527 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 1: finish out the two thousand eleven season and then we'll 528 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 1: ban it shouting from that point they had the last 529 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 1: one at UH in September. I think September two thousand 530 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 1: eleven was the last one ever. UM. That's a huge deal. 531 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 1: But even in Spain they're kind of like this nooty 532 00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,960 Speaker 1: Catalans like they don't they don't enjoy bullfighting. I think 533 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 1: that's made some quarters of Spain even more fiercely proud 534 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 1: of it. Yeah, probably like Madrid apparently is still very 535 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 1: proud of their bullfighting UH. In two thousand and ten, 536 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 1: one of the state television stations said, we are going 537 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 1: to ban coverage live coverage of it because kids can 538 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 1: watch this on TV. UM. They happen in the hours 539 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 1: in the early afternoon hours, in early evening, so they 540 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,240 Speaker 1: won't broadcast until after ten pm. Now, right, Well, there's 541 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:04,200 Speaker 1: a there's a law that says you can't show animal 542 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 1: cruelty on Spanish television until after ten pm because of children. 543 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 1: And so that's effectively banned showing bullfighting in Spain. Um, 544 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 1: which is a huge blow to it. Um, I guess 545 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 1: economically or financially, because I mean think about how many 546 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 1: how much money comes from television deals and sponsorships. If 547 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 1: you can get rid of it on TV, like, that's that. 548 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 1: And then there's also, Um, they've shown that there's evidence 549 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:35,120 Speaker 1: that government, that the federal government of Spain is pretty 550 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,960 Speaker 1: much what's propping up bull fighting these days, because um, 551 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,440 Speaker 1: there were what it went from a thousand bull fights 552 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,920 Speaker 1: in two thousand eight to eight hundred and two dozen 553 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:49,480 Speaker 1: ten in Spain, and um, that two hundred was almost exclusively, um, 554 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 1: the result of cuts and government subsidies to small towns 555 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 1: that can't afford to put on a bull fight. And 556 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,760 Speaker 1: so that means that, yeah, the government's holding the whole 557 00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,640 Speaker 1: thing up. Yeah. I read a couple of interesting articles today. 558 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,640 Speaker 1: One of them was from a veterinarian. Uh, and they 559 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:10,319 Speaker 1: have vets at the bullfight um on staff, I guess ah. 560 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,319 Speaker 1: And this vet went on record as saying they did 561 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,759 Speaker 1: all this testing of like adrenaline and or adrenaline and 562 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 1: all these different uh chemicals in the body on these 563 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,240 Speaker 1: bulls that had just survived, ones that were dead ones 564 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,880 Speaker 1: before they went in, and basically to prove that the 565 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:32,760 Speaker 1: bull suffers a great deal because there's this misguided notion 566 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,760 Speaker 1: that the bull doesn't suffer because they're this magical creature. 567 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:40,640 Speaker 1: I saw this one interview with a Bandaliro and he 568 00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,799 Speaker 1: said that a veterinarian this is translated obviously, but he said, 569 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:47,280 Speaker 1: a veterinarian told me that the bulls have a special 570 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 1: cell in their body that prevents it from suffering and 571 00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:55,800 Speaker 1: feeling pain. That's not true. Oh are you sure. Yeah, 572 00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,960 Speaker 1: there's no special cell that that keeps them from feeling pain. Well, 573 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,040 Speaker 1: that's a that's a larger debate too. I mean, like, 574 00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,520 Speaker 1: I believe bulls can suffer. But you know, um, if 575 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,799 Speaker 1: you've read David Foster Wallace is considered the lobster. Can 576 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 1: a lobster suffer? Is no susception is the perception the 577 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,920 Speaker 1: physical feeling of pain is that the same thing is suffering. 578 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,719 Speaker 1: Now we've shown it's not. Remembering our happiness audiobook, we 579 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:22,719 Speaker 1: talked about the difference between experiencing physical pain and experiencing 580 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,439 Speaker 1: suffering right now. They actually utilize different parts of the brain. 581 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,680 Speaker 1: So if there's no suffering, is inflicting pain on something 582 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:34,800 Speaker 1: e g. Cooking it? Um? Is that cruel? That's a 583 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,720 Speaker 1: good point, it is, But I think bulls experienced suffering. 584 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,720 Speaker 1: It's especially if they go through what you describe. Yeah, 585 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,840 Speaker 1: and if you're against bull fighting and you want to 586 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:47,480 Speaker 1: do something, you can email the or mail the embassies 587 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:51,440 Speaker 1: of these countries that still participate and tell them that, hey, 588 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:53,000 Speaker 1: I'm not going to visit your country. I'm not gonna 589 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,680 Speaker 1: spend my money there. If you're still gonna endorse this, 590 00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,080 Speaker 1: it's a small thing you can do. Becaun, you mail 591 00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:02,320 Speaker 1: me some wine because I can't make it over. There's 592 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:07,239 Speaker 1: some temperar neo. Uh. And I just I'm gonna go 593 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,000 Speaker 1: on record as saying this whole thing that it's a 594 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:12,440 Speaker 1: it's part of the culture is just crap. Well, the 595 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,480 Speaker 1: the Spanish federal government would disagree with you because in 596 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,319 Speaker 1: two dozen tend and what a lot of people see 597 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:21,120 Speaker 1: as a response to um the Catalonia band Um, the 598 00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:26,200 Speaker 1: Spanish government transferred jurisdiction over bullfighting from the Interior Ministry 599 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:30,600 Speaker 1: to the cultural ministry, so as an attempt to keep 600 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,120 Speaker 1: it from being banned. It's gonna be uh, it'll be 601 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,879 Speaker 1: a tough fault one. But yeah, apparently even Mexico now 602 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,799 Speaker 1: is entertaining the idea of banning it. You know some 603 00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:44,760 Speaker 1: other things that were defended as culture, genital mutilation on females, 604 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:50,120 Speaker 1: witch burning, bear baiting. Have you ever heard of that? Um? No. 605 00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:54,160 Speaker 1: Bear baiting was popular in England up until the eighteenth century. 606 00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:57,560 Speaker 1: That is, when you take a bear like a you know, 607 00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:01,359 Speaker 1: grizzly bearer, brown bear, like a clown, well not far off, 608 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:03,880 Speaker 1: You put it in a pit and chain it to 609 00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:07,560 Speaker 1: a mistake and release dogs on it, and the dogs 610 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,440 Speaker 1: kill the bear or the bear kill some of the dogs, 611 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,800 Speaker 1: so they release more dogs, and people sit around and 612 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,560 Speaker 1: gamble on is the bear gonna get eaten first or 613 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:20,240 Speaker 1: the dog's gonna get killed first? And uh, it's blood sport. 614 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,560 Speaker 1: And I think this is the same thing. You know. Um, 615 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:24,759 Speaker 1: that's where bulldogs came from, and that's where they got 616 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:28,000 Speaker 1: their name from. It's called bull baiting. And bulldogs used 617 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,839 Speaker 1: to not even come close to resembling what they do now. 618 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:36,439 Speaker 1: They were actually bred to be less vicious. Um. By 619 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,640 Speaker 1: making them slower and dumber and more cuddly, or not dumber, 620 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,000 Speaker 1: but more cuddly. Um. And that's how we have the 621 00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:45,160 Speaker 1: modern bulldogs now. But they evolved from basically uh, in 622 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:51,120 Speaker 1: the nineteenth century bulldogs. Where we're where um pitple breed 623 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,040 Speaker 1: is now where there are a lot of people being like, 624 00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:54,799 Speaker 1: we just need to wipe this breed off the face 625 00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,960 Speaker 1: of the planet. It's gone out of control. They're crazy. 626 00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,879 Speaker 1: Everybody scared them. They're killing people. Um. And then they 627 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:04,479 Speaker 1: managed to breathe the meanness out of them. But bull 628 00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,640 Speaker 1: bull baiting to bull baiting bulls just have been taken 629 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:14,320 Speaker 1: it well. Embarbating actually still happens in Pakistan and it's uh, 630 00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:22,040 Speaker 1: it's horrific. So two from me to you people of Spain, Mexico, France. Uh, 631 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,360 Speaker 1: ritualized killing of animals for people to pay for and 632 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:29,920 Speaker 1: watch is a little outdated and just silly and cruel, 633 00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:34,799 Speaker 1: and I say, please stop from from chuck to you, 634 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,399 Speaker 1: from me to you. And one more thing. The whole 635 00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:43,440 Speaker 1: notion of culture. Isn't that supposedly to advance your civilization? 636 00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:47,160 Speaker 1: And isn't that supposed to mean like positive things like culture? 637 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:51,240 Speaker 1: I mean, what brings people together more than the ritual 638 00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:57,400 Speaker 1: down here and wanting wanting bull fight. All right, I'm done. Um, So, 639 00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,480 Speaker 1: how do you feel about bullfighting? Person? Which I think 640 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:04,040 Speaker 1: it's great. If you want to learn more about bull 641 00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:07,240 Speaker 1: fighting UM or Chuck's views on it, you can type 642 00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:11,880 Speaker 1: in Chuck or bull fighting in the search part how 643 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,719 Speaker 1: stuff works dot com. Uh, and I said search bar, 644 00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:19,720 Speaker 1: which means it's time for listener mail. We're very riled 645 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,160 Speaker 1: up listener mail. That's right now. This is calm. I'm 646 00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:27,440 Speaker 1: gonna call this. Uh. Illustrator wrote us about the comics episode. Guys, 647 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:31,080 Speaker 1: I'm in currently an illustrator. Uh. Does you not have 648 00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,799 Speaker 1: much hope for his future in that field? No? I 649 00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,080 Speaker 1: think he does. Um. I found because he does like 650 00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,520 Speaker 1: Digital Illustration Team. I guess um. I found your podcast 651 00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:41,560 Speaker 1: when I was hip deep in art school at the 652 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,520 Speaker 1: Art Institute of Boston. But there are only so many 653 00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,439 Speaker 1: times I could listen to the same old Our Lady 654 00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,879 Speaker 1: Peace songs on repeat from that group. No, he had 655 00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:54,400 Speaker 1: like one song into the same song gets which song was? 656 00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:56,840 Speaker 1: I can't remember. I dug it this song. Actually I 657 00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,440 Speaker 1: got the CD because of that song. Man, I used 658 00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,319 Speaker 1: to fall for out when I was fourteen and just 659 00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,640 Speaker 1: be like, that's the only good song on the whole 660 00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:09,560 Speaker 1: CD before the Kiss single. Yeah. Um, I'm now a 661 00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,680 Speaker 1: professional illustrator, but I also teach art at a I B. 662 00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:14,759 Speaker 1: And was able to live a many dream when my 663 00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:18,520 Speaker 1: higher ups approached me about teaching a comic book class. 664 00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:22,200 Speaker 1: So he was pretty stoked about this UM on the comics. 665 00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,000 Speaker 1: And this is just some things he pointed out on 666 00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,200 Speaker 1: the comics code of authority you guys talked about. World 667 00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:28,200 Speaker 1: War Two was long over and the new round of 668 00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:32,239 Speaker 1: superheroes Spider Man, Fantastic Four had yet to emerge from 669 00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,240 Speaker 1: the minds of Lee Kirbean Ditko. As a result, comics 670 00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:39,200 Speaker 1: were merely treading water and chasing from fad to fad, 671 00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:43,520 Speaker 1: Westerns to romance to eventually horror. Horror comics are what 672 00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,759 Speaker 1: really started to worry everyone, so they began to put 673 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:50,000 Speaker 1: pressure on companies like EC, who had made their names 674 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,640 Speaker 1: in Over the Top four. In turn, EC basically jettisoned 675 00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,359 Speaker 1: at Steak in horror comics and latched onto a little 676 00:40:56,440 --> 00:41:00,120 Speaker 1: humor comic, uh Mad, which we talked about. It was 677 00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:04,760 Speaker 1: like UM stories guaranteed to drive you mad, exactly the original, 678 00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,520 Speaker 1: but to this point Mad was published basically as a 679 00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,920 Speaker 1: comic book. In essence, EC was looking to hedge its bets, 680 00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:14,800 Speaker 1: so it relaunched Mad as a magazine UM, which is 681 00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,160 Speaker 1: a very different distinction because all of a sudden wasn't 682 00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,960 Speaker 1: under the code of authority. Uh. We were blessed with 683 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:24,160 Speaker 1: the very first Mad magazine, a very calculated move since 684 00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,279 Speaker 1: they were not heavily scrutinized by comics and they didn't 685 00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:31,600 Speaker 1: have to worry about the comics code. It is UM. 686 00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:33,600 Speaker 1: I hope to make it big as a comics illustrator 687 00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:36,439 Speaker 1: in children's book illustrator who says I can't do both. 688 00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:38,480 Speaker 1: I also thought you might like to know that you're 689 00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,640 Speaker 1: keeping me company during these long hours chasing the dream. 690 00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:45,160 Speaker 1: And this dude's stuff is awesome and if you want 691 00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:49,360 Speaker 1: to hire Greg Marathus, you can get in touch with 692 00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:53,600 Speaker 1: him at the Greg Marathas Studio, which is g R 693 00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,719 Speaker 1: E G M A R A T h A s 694 00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:01,400 Speaker 1: dot com or Rida's blog Greg Maratha dot blog spot 695 00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,000 Speaker 1: dot com. Nice and stuff is very cool. I told 696 00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:05,680 Speaker 1: him I'd keep them in mind if we ever needed 697 00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:10,360 Speaker 1: we could do some drawings. We need some Facebook timeline drawings. 698 00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,399 Speaker 1: If he's holling to work for free, you get to it. 699 00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:17,680 Speaker 1: Did we remember we um we got chastised biographic designer 700 00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:21,120 Speaker 1: for holding that T shirt contest. Yeah, I emailed him back. 701 00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:25,480 Speaker 1: Actually we did use to calm them down. Uh yeah, 702 00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,200 Speaker 1: I was like, you know, most of these were amateur designers. 703 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,120 Speaker 1: There was some pros in there, but never mind. And 704 00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:34,239 Speaker 1: it's not like we've forced anybody to do with But 705 00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,000 Speaker 1: there's a whole there's a whole movement um from designers 706 00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:41,719 Speaker 1: about design contests being awful, Like what other industry basically 707 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,879 Speaker 1: asked for free work as a contest quote unquote, there's 708 00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:48,960 Speaker 1: like fiction contests. Yeah, there's all kinds of so box Derby's. Yeah, 709 00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,239 Speaker 1: there's a lot of stuff that people do for free 710 00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:55,520 Speaker 1: as part of a contest, bake offs or bakes off. 711 00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,000 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. And I saw some designers that say, I 712 00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:03,040 Speaker 1: don't agree with that contests make me better and that's 713 00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:06,960 Speaker 1: a ridiculous idea. Architecture as a field has been in 714 00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:12,480 Speaker 1: contest mode for a century or more, and like, yeah, 715 00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,000 Speaker 1: that's there's a lot of work put into it. There's 716 00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,120 Speaker 1: a lot of work put into graphic design. Contests are 717 00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,800 Speaker 1: everywhere I think that's a ridiculous stance. Well, his point 718 00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:22,080 Speaker 1: was because he mailed me back and he was like, well, 719 00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,879 Speaker 1: find the contest is fine, but you should give them 720 00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,480 Speaker 1: a cut of the T shirt sales. I don't disagree 721 00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:29,520 Speaker 1: with that. Well, I know that we had no choice. Well, no, 722 00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,040 Speaker 1: we're in no position whatsoever to share that told him 723 00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:33,359 Speaker 1: due if it was up to me, they would get 724 00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:36,319 Speaker 1: of the T shirt sales. I don't know about that. Well, 725 00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,880 Speaker 1: we don't get any well, I know, but still we 726 00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:42,359 Speaker 1: could if we could negotiate on their behalf, we would 727 00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,560 Speaker 1: work a little bit in for us to what a 728 00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:48,160 Speaker 1: volatile episode right to the end. So I guess if 729 00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:51,560 Speaker 1: you want to express your volatility UM toward us, that's cool. 730 00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:53,520 Speaker 1: We can handle it. 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