WEBVTT - Part Five: The Hidden Civil War 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:08.040 M what's thwarton Missophie's I'm Robert Evans hosted Behind the Bastards, 0:00:08.080 --> 0:00:10.479 And during the break we took between this chapter and 0:00:10.480 --> 0:00:12.600 the last one, I stole back the case of Peria 0:00:13.240 --> 0:00:15.760 and I'm going to throw it at some point. Sophie's 0:00:15.800 --> 0:00:17.600 standing next to me right now trying to get it back, 0:00:17.640 --> 0:00:21.600 but she's not. She's not gonna everybody, but I need 0:00:21.600 --> 0:00:26.560 a drink. If I opened the Paria can to get 0:00:26.600 --> 0:00:28.760 a drink to what my throat, then when I throw it, 0:00:28.760 --> 0:00:31.080 it's just gonna do more damage. Wait, so you're gonna 0:00:31.120 --> 0:00:33.639 take one out and you're going to that one? Well, 0:00:33.640 --> 0:00:40.840 now I'm not There's something visual things going on right now. 0:00:41.159 --> 0:00:43.519 What I love about visual things is that they're the 0:00:43.600 --> 0:00:47.879 ideal thing to do on a podcast famed visual medium. 0:00:47.920 --> 0:00:53.479 We're doing great. Chapter five, A Hidden Civil War cool. 0:00:56.880 --> 0:00:59.080 One of the issues with discussing the history of secret 0:00:59.160 --> 0:01:02.480 organizations one to overthrow the government is that, for obvious reasons, 0:01:02.560 --> 0:01:04.679 an awful lot is left in shadow. We do not 0:01:04.760 --> 0:01:07.200 know the precise day or the hour that the Order 0:01:07.319 --> 0:01:10.360 was founded. We do not know its exact composition, or 0:01:10.400 --> 0:01:13.199 to what precise extent. Men like Louis Beam and William 0:01:13.240 --> 0:01:17.160 Pierce were involved in it. Officially, the Order was probably 0:01:17.160 --> 0:01:20.679 not certainly not a lot. Officially, the Order was founded 0:01:20.720 --> 0:01:24.000 in September of nine by Robert Matthews during a convention 0:01:24.000 --> 0:01:27.520 he attended for Pierce's National Alliance in Arlington. While Beam 0:01:27.520 --> 0:01:29.760 and Pierce tended to approach the issue of sparking a 0:01:29.760 --> 0:01:33.200 fascist revolution rather differently, Matthews had deep ties to both men. 0:01:33.360 --> 0:01:36.280 He was profoundly influenced by Beam's ideas and writings, and 0:01:36.319 --> 0:01:39.160 was also an obsessive fan of the Turner Diaries. He 0:01:39.280 --> 0:01:41.640 essentially acted as a bridge between the two sides of 0:01:41.640 --> 0:01:45.280 the vanguardist movement, tying Beams Klansmen and Christian identity nuts 0:01:45.360 --> 0:01:48.760 together with Pierce's neo Nazis. William Pierce called the Order 0:01:48.800 --> 0:01:52.080 the Aryan Resistance Movement. Robert Miles called it the Bruto 0:01:52.160 --> 0:01:55.640 Schwigen or Silent Brotherhood, but to Bob Matthews and most 0:01:55.680 --> 0:01:58.320 of the members it was known simply as the Order 0:01:58.680 --> 0:02:01.520 in direct imitation of the group responsible for organizing the 0:02:01.520 --> 0:02:04.960 fictional white nationalist insurgency and the Turner Diaries. There were 0:02:05.000 --> 0:02:08.440 originally nine men, three from the National Alliance, four from 0:02:08.480 --> 0:02:14.360 the Aryan Nations and one former clansmen. Now Matthews devised 0:02:14.360 --> 0:02:16.919 a six step strategy for his new terror organization. He 0:02:16.919 --> 0:02:19.040 would start by recruiting a base of soldiers around the 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:22.000 nation and train them at sundry fascist compounds around the country. 0:02:22.360 --> 0:02:24.240 Once Matthews had to train a corps of soldiers, they 0:02:24.240 --> 0:02:27.400 would be gained committing robberies and counterfeiting money. This would 0:02:27.400 --> 0:02:29.440 fund the purchase of an arsenal, which would allow them 0:02:29.440 --> 0:02:32.040 to commit more ambitious robberies and raise millions of dollars 0:02:32.040 --> 0:02:34.399 which they would then dispense to different fascist groups around 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:37.080 the nation. In essence, Bob Matthews had looked out at 0:02:37.120 --> 0:02:39.760 all the white supremacist compounds around the country, places like 0:02:39.800 --> 0:02:43.000 Elohim City, the Aryan Nations near Mayah Township, and various 0:02:43.000 --> 0:02:46.720 Possecomatatius communities. He decided these groups had potential they were 0:02:46.720 --> 0:02:49.560 connected and funded more effectively. The Order was a way 0:02:49.600 --> 0:02:51.800 to do that. And carrying out this plan, Matthews was 0:02:51.840 --> 0:02:54.000 both working to fulfill Pierce's dream of a big tent 0:02:54.080 --> 0:02:57.359 fascist organization and actively funding beams plan to connect these 0:02:57.360 --> 0:03:03.480 different groups via the early Internet. Okay, cool, it's just 0:03:03.520 --> 0:03:06.120 a bunch of cool buds hanging out, but cool dudes 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:09.560 having cool friends. The Order's end goal was a white 0:03:09.639 --> 0:03:12.639 ethno state in the Pacific Northwest. Here, to Matthews was 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:15.000 following in the fust steps of other fascist thinkers. The 0:03:15.040 --> 0:03:17.680 Northwest Imperative, as it is now known, first propped up 0:03:17.680 --> 0:03:20.040 in the nineteen seventies and was initially cheered on by 0:03:20.080 --> 0:03:23.520 Christian Identity pastor and Arian Nations leader Richard Butler. In 0:03:23.560 --> 0:03:26.639 creating the Order, Matthews had since synthesized decades of far 0:03:26.720 --> 0:03:29.040 right thinking with his love of the Turner Diaries into 0:03:29.040 --> 0:03:33.240 a serious plan for revolution. On paper, it looked kind 0:03:33.280 --> 0:03:36.960 of silly. She was even based off of yes, speculative 0:03:37.000 --> 0:03:40.080 science fiction, but Matthews quickly turned his plans into action. 0:03:40.280 --> 0:03:43.440 On October three, Bob and several of his men held 0:03:43.480 --> 0:03:46.880 up an adult bookstore in Spokane, Washington, netting three hundred dollars. 0:03:47.360 --> 0:03:51.040 It was seems silly, right, It seems silly. It seems 0:03:51.080 --> 0:03:53.840 not worth It seems not worth it. But this small 0:03:53.880 --> 0:03:56.800 scale crime was just the start of many. Matthews and 0:03:56.840 --> 0:03:59.440 his crew kept on robbing. Two months later, they stole 0:03:59.480 --> 0:04:03.720 twenty five thousand dollars from a Seattle bank dollars from 0:04:03.720 --> 0:04:06.200 a spoke Can bank. They robbed a courier after picking 0:04:06.240 --> 0:04:08.720 up the daily cash receipts from a Shawnees restaurant and 0:04:08.760 --> 0:04:12.360 made out with eight thousand dollars. The Order professionalized quickly, 0:04:12.440 --> 0:04:14.840 and within a matter of months that also started counterfeiting 0:04:14.880 --> 0:04:18.400 fifty bills. Okay, yeah, we need to do that. They're 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:20.320 still on the money. They really didn't need to do that. 0:04:20.520 --> 0:04:23.440 Turn out to have been a bad idea, yeah, yeah, 0:04:23.480 --> 0:04:25.960 but the idea was that like, by counterfeiting money, they 0:04:25.960 --> 0:04:29.600 could both damage the state by like bringing financial collapse, 0:04:29.760 --> 0:04:34.560 and we could make money. Yeah. By spring, Robert Matthews 0:04:34.560 --> 0:04:37.320 had proved himself to be a competent and dangerous guerilla leader, 0:04:37.400 --> 0:04:39.680 and his Order was quickly becoming the biggest new thing 0:04:39.720 --> 0:04:42.760 in American fascism. Dozens of young militants flocked to join 0:04:42.800 --> 0:04:44.799 and do their part to further the cause. They fled 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:46.719 it in from other far right groups with names like 0:04:46.760 --> 0:04:48.839 The Covenant, The Sword, and the Arm of the Lord, 0:04:49.240 --> 0:04:53.520 Sundry pasticcomtaties in a sort of KKK chapters. Yeah, they're 0:04:53.560 --> 0:04:58.800 all there. The fucking nerves, doesn't it always grosses me out? Yeah? 0:04:58.800 --> 0:05:01.280 The Proud Boys are just in variation on a theme 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:04.919 of terrible names for right wing terrorist groups. Yeah. In 0:05:05.040 --> 0:05:07.919 order to briad camaraderie and loyalty, Matthews developed rituals for 0:05:07.960 --> 0:05:10.120 his warrior elite and went to quote now from bringing 0:05:10.160 --> 0:05:13.279 the war home. They took their induction oath on Matthew's farm. 0:05:13.320 --> 0:05:15.520 They stood in a circle around a white female infant, 0:05:15.560 --> 0:05:18.000 who symbolized the race they sought to protect. They raised 0:05:18.000 --> 0:05:20.600 their arms in a Hitler salute. I as a free 0:05:20.720 --> 0:05:24.080 Aryan man, they recited hereby swear an unrelenting oath upon 0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:26.520 the green graves of our sires, upon the children, and 0:05:26.560 --> 0:05:28.960 the wombs of our wives. They swore that they had 0:05:29.000 --> 0:05:31.120 no fear of death or foe, but had a sacred 0:05:31.200 --> 0:05:33.719 duty to do whatever is necessary to deliver our people 0:05:33.760 --> 0:05:36.920 from the jew and bring total victory to the Aryan race. 0:05:37.480 --> 0:05:40.120 They pledged secrecy about all activities to follow. They swore 0:05:40.200 --> 0:05:42.760 to rescue any of their number taken prisoner. Should an 0:05:42.839 --> 0:05:45.400 enemy agent hurt you, they promised their silent brothers, I 0:05:45.440 --> 0:05:47.000 will chase him to the ends of the earth and 0:05:47.000 --> 0:05:50.240 remove his head from his body. Their oath recognized them 0:05:50.240 --> 0:05:54.000 as racial warriors, but also transformed them into weapons. My brothers, 0:05:54.080 --> 0:05:56.440 let us be God's battle axe and weapons of war. 0:05:56.600 --> 0:05:58.840 Let us go forth by ones and twos, by scores 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:02.040 and legions as true Aryan men. They vowed, we are 0:06:02.080 --> 0:06:03.719 in a state of war and will not lay down 0:06:03.720 --> 0:06:05.640 our weapons until we have driven the enemy into the 0:06:05.680 --> 0:06:07.920 sea and reclaimed the land which was promised to our 0:06:07.960 --> 0:06:10.160 fathers of old, and through our blood in his will 0:06:10.240 --> 0:06:14.000 becomes the land of our children to be. I cannot 0:06:14.160 --> 0:06:17.320 believe these nerds who look so disgusted to the entire thing. 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:19.840 I was just like, oh, I hate it so much, 0:06:20.640 --> 0:06:26.039 some sexist, racist, awful, white supremacist bullshit. But it's also 0:06:26.120 --> 0:06:29.240 so they're so embarrassing. It is also what it is. 0:06:29.279 --> 0:06:32.080 It's like they're so evil and they're so lame. This 0:06:32.160 --> 0:06:34.640 is part of why I think that like making stuff 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:37.880 like dungeons and dragons and larking more socially acceptable might 0:06:37.920 --> 0:06:39.880 reduce the number of young men who do you see 0:06:39.880 --> 0:06:42.440 your outlet, Yeah, just give him an excuse to talk 0:06:42.480 --> 0:06:49.440 about axes and hating people. Except you know, yeah, that 0:06:49.480 --> 0:06:52.560 really kind of proves me incorrect on that, because they 0:06:52.600 --> 0:06:59.880 just did both. They both Yeah, in March Night, the 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:02.320 Order carried out their first robbery of an armored car. 0:07:02.520 --> 0:07:05.479 They netted forty three thousand dollars. They robbed the same 0:07:05.560 --> 0:07:07.880 armored car again in April and got their biggest score yet, 0:07:07.960 --> 0:07:11.000 two hundred and thirty thousand dollars. Later that month, Order 0:07:11.040 --> 0:07:16.120 members also bombed a synagogue in Boise, Idaho, Okay. As 0:07:16.160 --> 0:07:19.240 the summer of rolled along, Matthews and other members of 0:07:19.280 --> 0:07:21.240 his inner circle began to worry that one of their men, 0:07:21.400 --> 0:07:24.320 Walter West, might talk. Two of Bob's men shot and 0:07:24.360 --> 0:07:26.880 buried him in the woods on June one. A little 0:07:26.920 --> 0:07:29.440 more than two weeks later, on Jeans sevent, Matthews and 0:07:29.440 --> 0:07:31.640 three of his men shot and killed Alan Berg, a 0:07:31.720 --> 0:07:34.800 Jewish radio host and anti fascist who regularly attacked Neo 0:07:34.880 --> 0:07:37.720 Nazis on the air. The Burg murder officially raced the 0:07:38.040 --> 0:07:41.760 Order's profile and guaranteed major law enforcement attention. The group's 0:07:41.800 --> 0:07:43.920 danger was reinforced a month later when they hoisted a 0:07:43.960 --> 0:07:46.600 Brinks truck in Ucaya, California, and made off with the 0:07:46.640 --> 0:07:52.160 staggering three point six million dollars. Je yep, I wonder 0:07:52.160 --> 0:07:57.080 where all that money went? Let's read the next paragraph. 0:07:57.200 --> 0:07:59.680 Now flush with enough cash to rage wage of revolution. 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:02.200 Using his order, began buying up guns like they were 0:08:02.200 --> 0:08:05.680 going out of style when they also purchased a three 0:08:06.040 --> 0:08:07.960 acre plot of land in Missouri in a hundred and 0:08:07.960 --> 0:08:10.680 ten acres in Idaho. Each participant in the robbery got 0:08:10.720 --> 0:08:12.800 forty dollars, but the bulk of the money went to 0:08:12.840 --> 0:08:16.320 other fascists around the country. Different organizations received grants in 0:08:16.360 --> 0:08:21.800 a hundred thousand dollar increments. Matthews also tied not So 0:08:21.920 --> 0:08:28.920 Gred do Nazi research. Yeah. Matthews also tithed ten percent 0:08:28.960 --> 0:08:33.040 of has stolen money to the Arian nations. So that's good. Yeah, 0:08:33.200 --> 0:08:35.520 you know, just give them giving out, giving back. They're 0:08:35.559 --> 0:08:37.800 really hurting for cash. You know who else is certain 0:08:37.840 --> 0:08:44.200 for cash? That's a bad ad transition, Sophie. You know 0:08:44.280 --> 0:08:47.840 who else wants your cash? Who and is better than 0:08:47.920 --> 0:08:52.840 Nazis the advertisers for this show, for this show. Yeah 0:08:53.160 --> 0:08:58.480 that's good, that's your hope. Yeah. Yeah, I am not 0:08:58.559 --> 0:09:03.319 doing great today. I do have Chekhov's case of Perry. 0:09:03.720 --> 0:09:05.960 No not yet. I just I feel like I have 0:09:06.080 --> 0:09:09.400 to really build it up because definitely going to be 0:09:09.440 --> 0:09:12.079 the last thing I get to throw in this room. Now. 0:09:13.760 --> 0:09:23.120 Sophy's just giving me a look anyway, products we're back. 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:26.960 How you doing, Sophie, Yeah, you should make sure the 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:28.880 dogs on the other side of the room, because who 0:09:28.960 --> 0:09:32.520 knows when I'll throw this, PERRYA just look for the 0:09:32.559 --> 0:09:39.440 dog I will now. Members of the Order developed code 0:09:39.480 --> 0:09:41.720 names and acquired fake I d. S. Matthews even had 0:09:41.720 --> 0:09:47.440 silver medallion's crafted to act as proof of membership. Oh, 0:09:47.480 --> 0:09:53.120 it's about to get cooler, Katie. Because they had nicknames, ye, 0:09:53.600 --> 0:09:59.280 nicknames like moon Wolf, Marshal somebody Sam. Do you say 0:09:59.440 --> 0:10:05.160 Veal mar? These are bad? Yeah, Yosemite Sam, that's like yeah. 0:10:05.880 --> 0:10:08.439 One member was nicknamed Mr. Closet for his love of 0:10:08.480 --> 0:10:13.040 assaulting gay men. Oh my god, no, it makes it 0:10:13.040 --> 0:10:16.760 sound like he's in the closet. She probably was, probably was. 0:10:17.240 --> 0:10:20.480 Louis Bean was codenamed Jolly, and Lone Star. Pierce was 0:10:20.520 --> 0:10:24.840 code named Brigham after Mormon leader Brigham Young had medallion's. 0:10:25.160 --> 0:10:28.640 The only good nickname there is Jolly. They're chilling. First 0:10:28.640 --> 0:10:31.160 of all, it's super lame to pick your own nickname. 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:33.959 And you know, they all picked their own nicknames, except 0:10:34.000 --> 0:10:36.319 for maybe Mr. Closet. I feel like somebody gave me 0:10:40.040 --> 0:10:42.960 was like, but they're so bad they're so lame. They're 0:10:43.000 --> 0:10:46.679 so lame, okay, and they're silly, and you get it 0:10:46.679 --> 0:10:49.520 at all. It's like a lone wolf, all right, now 0:10:49.600 --> 0:10:52.440 you're not You're like a yeah, you got your law 0:10:52.559 --> 0:10:57.320 enforcement field officer, no, field marshal, marshal. There's some cops 0:10:57.320 --> 0:10:59.840 that or nazis. Well that's not a field mark, that's 0:10:59.840 --> 0:11:03.480 an cop. They're like law enforcement. No, no field marshals, 0:11:03.520 --> 0:11:06.360 like a general level rank. But it was like the 0:11:06.400 --> 0:11:09.000 Germans had a lot of feel not only Germans, but 0:11:10.040 --> 0:11:13.760 yeah it's a military. Yeah, but the same idea. Yeah. Yeah. 0:11:13.920 --> 0:11:19.440 And then you got Sam which is silly that they are. Yeah, 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:23.880 it's silly, exactly who they are. Yeah. In nine months, 0:11:23.880 --> 0:11:26.120 Bob Matthews had turned his dreams in the theories of 0:11:26.160 --> 0:11:29.160 men like Beaman Pierce into a real revolutionary movement. He 0:11:29.200 --> 0:11:32.080 had made the Turner Diaries. Real new recruits to the 0:11:32.160 --> 0:11:34.600 Order were reportedly handed copies of the book, and for 0:11:34.679 --> 0:11:37.400 a while, law enforcement seemed powerless to do anything to 0:11:37.480 --> 0:11:40.520 stop them. According to Bring the War Home quote, even 0:11:40.559 --> 0:11:42.640 if federal agents and a few journalists were aware of 0:11:42.640 --> 0:11:45.000 the white power movement, the mainstream public continued to see 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:47.360 most white power of violence as the work of Arrant Madman. 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:50.760 The phrase lone wolf, previously used to describe criminals acting alone, 0:11:50.960 --> 0:11:53.240 was employed increasingly in the nineteen eighties and nineties to 0:11:53.240 --> 0:11:56.240 describe white power activists. Has played into the movement's aim 0:11:56.360 --> 0:11:59.000 to prevent anyone from putting together a cohesive account of 0:11:59.000 --> 0:12:02.000 the group's actions up Not all checks out, doesn't it? 0:12:04.160 --> 0:12:06.600 So I take them seriously. History of how we don't 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:10.679 call white terrorists, but you know who we should call terrorists? 0:12:10.960 --> 0:12:17.160 Antifa group that didn't kill anybody, zero people? Yes, are 0:12:17.240 --> 0:12:25.360 you suggesting that they're not? I'm just saying, like of 0:12:25.760 --> 0:12:29.800 the groups I'm willing to consider terrorists. Al Qaeda, the 0:12:29.920 --> 0:12:36.120 death toll thousands, right, yeah, uh, Antifa death told zero, 0:12:37.160 --> 0:12:40.720 KKK death toll thousands. But they're not actually a terrorist 0:12:40.800 --> 0:12:45.280 group in the US. That's that's what's white nationalist terrorism. 0:12:45.280 --> 0:12:48.720 It doesn't seem to be treated as seriously. Not because 0:12:48.760 --> 0:12:50.920 there are a bunch of lone wolves in a pack together. Yeah, 0:12:50.920 --> 0:12:53.400 you can't fight lone wolves, but they're they're a pack, 0:12:53.920 --> 0:12:58.440 but they're alone. Yeah, they're a pack of lone wolves, 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:04.679 which you can't defend. Again, it is good times. So 0:13:05.040 --> 0:13:07.839 the orders undoing came from a member of the group 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:11.440 and a former National Alliance schoon named Tom Martinez. Matthews 0:13:11.440 --> 0:13:14.120 had brought Martinez in to help pass counterfeit bills around 0:13:14.120 --> 0:13:16.560 his home in Philadelphia. He was caught by the FBI, 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:19.640 and he turned informant to avoid prison. The FBI used 0:13:19.679 --> 0:13:22.560 this information to track Matthews to Portland, Oregon, where they 0:13:22.600 --> 0:13:25.480 engaged him in a short gun battle. Bob was wounded 0:13:25.480 --> 0:13:28.040 but managed to flee to Whidbey Island in Washington with 0:13:28.080 --> 0:13:31.000 several of his most loyal soldiers. The FBI surrounded the 0:13:31.000 --> 0:13:34.079 house and eventually all of Matthews's men surrendered, but Robert 0:13:34.120 --> 0:13:37.040 Matthews refused to give up alone. He fought the FBI 0:13:37.080 --> 0:13:40.880 off for an astonishing forty hours. The Bureau eventually burned 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:46.680 the cabin down around Matthews, killing him on December eighth. Yeah. 0:13:46.679 --> 0:13:48.520 He's a bit of a hero to these guys to 0:13:48.559 --> 0:13:52.720 this day. Yeah. With their leader debt, the Order eventually crumbled, 0:13:52.760 --> 0:13:54.760 proving by the way that Louis Baum had been right 0:13:54.840 --> 0:13:58.240 to emphasize leaderless resistance. After five months of arrests around 0:13:58.280 --> 0:14:00.240 the country, more than fifty members of the Order had 0:14:00.240 --> 0:14:03.199 been arrested. The FBI recovered a great deal of cash, 0:14:03.240 --> 0:14:05.920 but millions remained unaccounted for. They found what some of 0:14:05.920 --> 0:14:08.000 that money had bought, though, When they rated the heavily 0:14:08.080 --> 0:14:10.600 armed Ozark's compound of the Covenant, the Sword in the 0:14:10.720 --> 0:14:13.760 Arm of the Lord Law, anti tank rockets and machine 0:14:13.800 --> 0:14:16.439 guns were found hidden on the property. The c s A. 0:14:16.520 --> 0:14:18.439 We're not the only group who had bought rocket launchers 0:14:18.440 --> 0:14:21.000 with the orders of gotten Gains, however, and not all 0:14:21.040 --> 0:14:24.560 of those weapons were recovered. This is part of why 0:14:24.960 --> 0:14:27.640 it became illegal for U. S. Servicemen to be members 0:14:27.680 --> 0:14:30.600 of extremist groups, because all these fucking weapons kept getting it. 0:14:31.040 --> 0:14:33.920 And that's the only reason. Yeah, that's the only reason. 0:14:33.960 --> 0:14:37.480 You used to be really easy to get military grade weapons. 0:14:37.640 --> 0:14:40.200 They did some reforms that have made that harder apparently, 0:14:40.280 --> 0:14:43.600 so good bully for them. Kudos the military. I mean, 0:14:43.600 --> 0:14:46.360 they're actually, of all the government organizations, they're the only 0:14:46.400 --> 0:14:48.920 one with any kind of effective long term response to 0:14:48.920 --> 0:14:54.040 any of this. Yeah. Yeah. Now. The first trial associated 0:14:54.040 --> 0:14:56.320 with the order took place in Seattle and included several 0:14:56.360 --> 0:14:58.280 members of the c s A. They played guilty on 0:14:58.320 --> 0:15:01.000 weapons chargers and were convicted of rack teering. Next, the 0:15:01.080 --> 0:15:03.480 U S Attorney brought a ninety three page indictment against 0:15:03.480 --> 0:15:06.400 twenty three members of the Order. Robert Miles, Louis Bam, 0:15:06.440 --> 0:15:09.520 and William Pierce were not indicted. In the months leading 0:15:09.560 --> 0:15:11.400 up to the trial, members of the Order rolled over 0:15:11.440 --> 0:15:13.960 on their comrades with unusual regularity. By the time the 0:15:14.000 --> 0:15:17.040 trial rolled around in September n only ten of them 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:20.600 actually faced trial. This hardened core of loyal racists included 0:15:20.680 --> 0:15:22.880 David Lane, the man who would years later coined the 0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:25.560 fourteen words that neo Nazis still used today as a 0:15:25.560 --> 0:15:29.480 calling card YEP. During the case, prosecutors specifically noted that 0:15:29.480 --> 0:15:32.200 the Turner diaries had acted as a blueprint for Bob Matthews. 0:15:32.360 --> 0:15:35.440 According to Blood and Politics quote, in an opening statement, 0:15:35.440 --> 0:15:37.560 a defense attorney acknowledged that his client was a clan 0:15:37.680 --> 0:15:40.640 member and an avowed white supremacist or white separatist. Now 0:15:40.680 --> 0:15:43.360 I say white separatist, he continued, because there is a 0:15:43.400 --> 0:15:46.080 significant difference in an individual who professes to be a 0:15:46.080 --> 0:15:50.720 white supremacist as opposed to a white separatist. What was 0:15:50.760 --> 0:15:53.600 that difference? The white separatist is nothing different than a 0:15:53.600 --> 0:15:56.880 black nationalist who advocates a separation of races, wants to 0:15:56.880 --> 0:15:59.480 live only with those members of his race. He advocates 0:15:59.480 --> 0:16:02.160 the fact that when racism mixed together, they cannot survive 0:16:02.240 --> 0:16:05.200 because of their division in their cultural backgrounds, their upbringing, 0:16:05.280 --> 0:16:08.000 in their history. The Seattle jury did not buy this 0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:12.200 distinction between white supremacy the nineteen any more than the 0:16:12.200 --> 0:16:14.640 Supreme Court was willing to endore separate but equal doctrine 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:17.320 in nineteen fifty four. Neither did the jury believe defense 0:16:17.400 --> 0:16:20.880 efforts to impute the credibility of arians who became prosecution witnesses, 0:16:21.160 --> 0:16:23.680 nor did jurors accept contentions that the defendants beliefs were 0:16:23.720 --> 0:16:26.440 unrelated to the enumerated crimes. After four months at trial, 0:16:26.600 --> 0:16:29.600 all were found guilty. So that's good. That's good. Yeah, 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:33.440 yeah yeah. Now, in death, Bob Matthews and his Order 0:16:33.440 --> 0:16:36.240 became a symbol for fascists around the country. In Raleigh, 0:16:36.280 --> 0:16:39.200 North Carolina, hundreds of Nazis rallying under banners that said 0:16:39.240 --> 0:16:42.000 we love the Order. In Idaho, a group called Order 0:16:42.040 --> 0:16:44.560 to set off several bombs in cort Aline. The date 0:16:44.600 --> 0:16:47.360 of Matthew's death, December eighth, became Martyr's Day to many 0:16:47.440 --> 0:16:50.400 neo Nazis. Some of them started carrying out memorial camping 0:16:50.400 --> 0:16:52.720 trips near where he had been killed on Whidbey Island. 0:16:53.120 --> 0:16:55.680 But still the order had failed in its goals, and 0:16:55.720 --> 0:16:58.840 that failure had come at a substantial cost. William Beam 0:16:58.880 --> 0:17:01.040 and Lewis Pierce had not been indicted or charged his 0:17:01.120 --> 0:17:03.640 result of Matthew's activities, but they now found themselves at 0:17:03.640 --> 0:17:06.920 the center of much more FBI attention. In an operation 0:17:07.000 --> 0:17:10.560 named Clean Sweep, the bureau began seating white supremacist organizations 0:17:10.560 --> 0:17:13.960 around the country with undercover operatives. Later, in nineteen eighty five, 0:17:14.000 --> 0:17:16.359 they stopped an area nation's plot to kill a government 0:17:16.359 --> 0:17:18.720 in form it. Another terrorist associated with the group was 0:17:18.720 --> 0:17:21.480 stopped after a bombing a federal building, several businesses, and 0:17:21.560 --> 0:17:24.639 a rectory and cord Aline. In nine six, the FEDS 0:17:24.680 --> 0:17:28.240 busted William Potter Gale, founder of the Posse Coomatatus in Nevada. 0:17:28.560 --> 0:17:31.159 Gale and several allies were convicted of planning to bomb 0:17:31.160 --> 0:17:35.120 the i R. S kind of sounds like an insurgency, 0:17:35.280 --> 0:17:38.679 It kind of does sound like yep. Near the end 0:17:38.720 --> 0:17:40.960 of nineteen eighty six, the FBI busted eight members of 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:43.480 a new group the Arizona Patriots before they could carry 0:17:43.480 --> 0:17:46.040 out their goal of following in Bob Matthews's footsteps. The 0:17:46.080 --> 0:17:49.080 group had planned to rob banks to finance a domestic consurgency. 0:17:49.320 --> 0:17:51.760 All around the u S, white supremacists continued to plot 0:17:51.760 --> 0:17:54.280 and launch attacks. One of these men was Glenn Miller, 0:17:54.359 --> 0:17:57.000 formerly the leader of a group called the White Patriot Party. 0:17:57.200 --> 0:17:59.840 He'd received at least seventy five thousand dollars in Order 0:18:00.000 --> 0:18:03.000 Monny from Bob Matthews. As the FBI busted more and 0:18:03.040 --> 0:18:04.800 more of these guys, they found more and more evidence 0:18:04.840 --> 0:18:07.920 of the Order's influence and money, and gradually they pieced 0:18:07.920 --> 0:18:10.240 together the story of what had really happened and came 0:18:10.280 --> 0:18:12.840 to realize that Matthews's group had sought nothing less than 0:18:12.840 --> 0:18:17.280 the complete overthrow of the federal government. In midnight, Louis Beam, 0:18:17.400 --> 0:18:20.639 Richard Butler, Robert Miles, and several other ideological leaders of 0:18:20.680 --> 0:18:23.639 the fascist movement were finally indicted for their role in 0:18:23.680 --> 0:18:28.320 the Order. So that's cool, yeah, and we're gonna hear 0:18:28.320 --> 0:18:34.760 about what happened next after ads, I'm just incapable of 0:18:34.760 --> 0:18:37.600 doing a good ad transition. That was great, thank you, 0:18:37.760 --> 0:18:42.239 but it's a lie. You know it's I'm not going 0:18:42.280 --> 0:18:45.280 to throw it yet. I'm just I'm building tension. Bring 0:18:45.280 --> 0:18:48.000 it up. This is how you screenwriting one on one 0:18:48.200 --> 0:18:52.200 Katie Chekhov's case of Perry A. Just my heart stops. 0:18:53.200 --> 0:18:57.080 But I'm cool and laid back, So whatever you're gonna do. 0:18:57.119 --> 0:18:59.280 You know, the reality of the situation is, as soon 0:18:59.320 --> 0:19:01.199 as I started getting a sense for the heft of 0:19:01.200 --> 0:19:03.680 this case, I started regretting the fact that I've taught 0:19:03.680 --> 0:19:05.920 this up so much, but now it has to happen. 0:19:05.920 --> 0:19:09.120 What about taking one out throwing it? That actually might 0:19:09.119 --> 0:19:11.520 make it more dangerous. Then it will fall out the 0:19:11.560 --> 0:19:13.720 back like a scatter bomb if you open it. It's 0:19:16.040 --> 0:19:19.680 what if we taped pillows all around it. I don't 0:19:19.720 --> 0:19:21.359 think we can do that. I think I have to 0:19:21.359 --> 0:19:25.040 throw it. You can subvert the narrative and not throw it, 0:19:25.200 --> 0:19:26.879 but the best thing we do with narratives is not 0:19:26.920 --> 0:19:29.480 to subvert them. Sure, you can just give it a 0:19:29.560 --> 0:19:32.480 gentle stories the way we do, but you could get 0:19:32.480 --> 0:19:35.000 a bit of you could redefine what throwing is, make 0:19:35.040 --> 0:19:38.159 it like a gentle toss. I'm not going to go 0:19:39.520 --> 0:19:42.040 because I don't feel like that's necessary given the extremity 0:19:42.080 --> 0:19:44.879 of what this case of perry A represents. But I 0:19:44.960 --> 0:19:48.520 am going to throw it. I mean those are the cans, correct, Yeah, okay, 0:19:48.520 --> 0:19:53.040 that's something. Yeah, it's several pounds tin slim cans. As 0:19:53.040 --> 0:19:56.840 the package states, how we doing, Sylphie adds, it's not 0:19:56.920 --> 0:20:09.480 even twelve products. We're back. Okay, we hadn't come back yet, 0:20:10.680 --> 0:20:15.440 I started talking about perry A. So, uh yeah. Robert Miles, 0:20:15.520 --> 0:20:19.520 Richard Butler, Louis Beam, and several other fascist ideologues had 0:20:19.560 --> 0:20:23.359 gotten indicted for their role in the order. Um Getting 0:20:23.400 --> 0:20:25.840 all of these guys together was quite a task, and 0:20:25.880 --> 0:20:29.040 at one point Louis Beam's wife shot of federal agent 0:20:29.119 --> 0:20:32.760 who came for them. But eventually they all got found up. Yeah, 0:20:33.240 --> 0:20:36.879 they all wound up under trial. Um So, the Justice 0:20:36.880 --> 0:20:38.919 Department charged these men with a number of crimes, including 0:20:38.920 --> 0:20:42.120 seditious conspiracy to quote overthrow, put down, and destroyed by 0:20:42.119 --> 0:20:44.320 force the government of the United States and form a 0:20:44.320 --> 0:20:47.440 new arian nation. Oddly enough, William Pierced was not indicted. 0:20:48.160 --> 0:20:51.400 Seditious conspiracy was a crime numerous communists and Puerto Rican 0:20:51.480 --> 0:20:54.800 nationalists had already been successfully convicted of committing, but no 0:20:54.920 --> 0:20:57.639 Nazis or white supremacists had ever been convicted of the crime. 0:20:58.000 --> 0:21:00.600 Despite the order's shocking violence and well docum minute goals, 0:21:00.760 --> 0:21:04.200 this fact did not change The trial convened in February 0:21:04.240 --> 0:21:07.520 of nine, and the fascist defense attorneys managed to exclude 0:21:07.520 --> 0:21:10.119 any black people from the jury. The trial was almost 0:21:10.160 --> 0:21:12.440 instantly a ship show and served more to allow Louis 0:21:12.440 --> 0:21:14.080 Beam to preach his views to the nation than to 0:21:14.080 --> 0:21:17.399 guarantee justice. In his opening statement, he told the jury, 0:21:17.520 --> 0:21:19.359 the only reason I'm here is because I said what 0:21:19.440 --> 0:21:22.160 I think. If the Constitution is still alive, I'm innocent. 0:21:23.119 --> 0:21:25.560 Beam admitted that he had set up computer billetin boards 0:21:25.560 --> 0:21:27.879 for different fascist groups around the country, but denied that 0:21:27.920 --> 0:21:30.760 these boards were used for any illicit communication. He told 0:21:30.800 --> 0:21:33.160 the jury he had been changing his daughter's diaper when 0:21:33.160 --> 0:21:35.679 the purported meeting that created the order had occurred, so 0:21:35.720 --> 0:21:39.080 he dubbed the government's case the baby diaper conspiracy for 0:21:39.200 --> 0:21:45.040 the whole meeting. Yeah, that's an outrageous diaper, Like take 0:21:45.040 --> 0:21:50.400 her to the doctor. Man, you're doing more to pick 0:21:50.480 --> 0:21:53.120 this story apart than anyone in the court of law did. 0:21:54.240 --> 0:21:56.760 Beam ended one speech in his defense with an almost 0:21:56.800 --> 0:21:59.280 word for word recitation of something he'd written in Essays 0:21:59.280 --> 0:22:02.399 of a Klansman about his anger at protesters he'd supposedly 0:22:02.480 --> 0:22:06.280