1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:08,040 Speaker 1: M what's thwarton Missophie's I'm Robert Evans hosted Behind the Bastards, 2 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:10,479 Speaker 1: And during the break we took between this chapter and 3 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: the last one, I stole back the case of Peria 4 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: and I'm going to throw it at some point. Sophie's 5 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:17,600 Speaker 1: standing next to me right now trying to get it back, 6 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:21,600 Speaker 1: but she's not. She's not gonna everybody, but I need 7 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: a drink. If I opened the Paria can to get 8 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: a drink to what my throat, then when I throw it, 9 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 1: it's just gonna do more damage. Wait, so you're gonna 10 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:33,639 Speaker 1: take one out and you're going to that one? Well, 11 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:40,840 Speaker 1: now I'm not There's something visual things going on right now. 12 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:43,519 Speaker 1: What I love about visual things is that they're the 13 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 1: ideal thing to do on a podcast famed visual medium. 14 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 1: We're doing great. Chapter five, A Hidden Civil War cool. 15 00:00:56,880 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 1: One of the issues with discussing the history of secret 16 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: organizations one to overthrow the government is that, for obvious reasons, 17 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 1: an awful lot is left in shadow. We do not 18 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 1: know the precise day or the hour that the Order 19 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: was founded. We do not know its exact composition, or 20 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,199 Speaker 1: to what precise extent. Men like Louis Beam and William 21 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: Pierce were involved in it. Officially, the Order was probably 22 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 1: not certainly not a lot. Officially, the Order was founded 23 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: in September of nine by Robert Matthews during a convention 24 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 1: he attended for Pierce's National Alliance in Arlington. While Beam 25 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 1: and Pierce tended to approach the issue of sparking a 26 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 1: fascist revolution rather differently, Matthews had deep ties to both men. 27 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 1: He was profoundly influenced by Beam's ideas and writings, and 28 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: was also an obsessive fan of the Turner Diaries. He 29 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 1: essentially acted as a bridge between the two sides of 30 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: the vanguardist movement, tying Beams Klansmen and Christian identity nuts 31 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 1: together with Pierce's neo Nazis. William Pierce called the Order 32 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: the Aryan Resistance Movement. Robert Miles called it the Bruto 33 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 1: Schwigen or Silent Brotherhood, but to Bob Matthews and most 34 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: of the members it was known simply as the Order 35 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: in direct imitation of the group responsible for organizing the 36 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 1: fictional white nationalist insurgency and the Turner Diaries. There were 37 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 1: originally nine men, three from the National Alliance, four from 38 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:14,360 Speaker 1: the Aryan Nations and one former clansmen. Now Matthews devised 39 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:16,919 Speaker 1: a six step strategy for his new terror organization. He 40 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 1: would start by recruiting a base of soldiers around the 41 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: nation and train them at sundry fascist compounds around the country. 42 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 1: Once Matthews had to train a corps of soldiers, they 43 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 1: would be gained committing robberies and counterfeiting money. This would 44 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: fund the purchase of an arsenal, which would allow them 45 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: to commit more ambitious robberies and raise millions of dollars 46 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:34,399 Speaker 1: which they would then dispense to different fascist groups around 47 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 1: the nation. In essence, Bob Matthews had looked out at 48 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: all the white supremacist compounds around the country, places like 49 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 1: Elohim City, the Aryan Nations near Mayah Township, and various 50 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: Possecomatatius communities. He decided these groups had potential they were 51 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 1: connected and funded more effectively. The Order was a way 52 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 1: to do that. And carrying out this plan, Matthews was 53 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: both working to fulfill Pierce's dream of a big tent 54 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:57,359 Speaker 1: fascist organization and actively funding beams plan to connect these 55 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 1: different groups via the early Internet. Okay, cool, it's just 56 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 1: a bunch of cool buds hanging out, but cool dudes 57 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: having cool friends. The Order's end goal was a white 58 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:12,639 Speaker 1: ethno state in the Pacific Northwest. Here, to Matthews was 59 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: following in the fust steps of other fascist thinkers. The 60 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 1: Northwest Imperative, as it is now known, first propped up 61 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 1: in the nineteen seventies and was initially cheered on by 62 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 1: Christian Identity pastor and Arian Nations leader Richard Butler. In 63 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:26,639 Speaker 1: creating the Order, Matthews had since synthesized decades of far 64 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 1: right thinking with his love of the Turner Diaries into 65 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 1: a serious plan for revolution. On paper, it looked kind 66 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 1: of silly. She was even based off of yes, speculative 67 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: science fiction, but Matthews quickly turned his plans into action. 68 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: On October three, Bob and several of his men held 69 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: up an adult bookstore in Spokane, Washington, netting three hundred dollars. 70 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 1: It was seems silly, right, It seems silly. It seems 71 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 1: not worth It seems not worth it. But this small 72 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: scale crime was just the start of many. Matthews and 73 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: his crew kept on robbing. Two months later, they stole 74 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 1: twenty five thousand dollars from a Seattle bank dollars from 75 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: a spoke Can bank. They robbed a courier after picking 76 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 1: up the daily cash receipts from a Shawnees restaurant and 77 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: made out with eight thousand dollars. The Order professionalized quickly, 78 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 1: and within a matter of months that also started counterfeiting 79 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: fifty bills. Okay, yeah, we need to do that. They're 80 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: still on the money. They really didn't need to do that. 81 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 1: Turn out to have been a bad idea, yeah, yeah, 82 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 1: but the idea was that like, by counterfeiting money, they 83 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:29,600 Speaker 1: could both damage the state by like bringing financial collapse, 84 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 1: and we could make money. Yeah. By spring, Robert Matthews 85 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 1: had proved himself to be a competent and dangerous guerilla leader, 86 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 1: and his Order was quickly becoming the biggest new thing 87 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 1: in American fascism. Dozens of young militants flocked to join 88 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:44,799 Speaker 1: and do their part to further the cause. They fled 89 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:46,719 Speaker 1: it in from other far right groups with names like 90 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 1: The Covenant, The Sword, and the Arm of the Lord, 91 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: Sundry pasticcomtaties in a sort of KKK chapters. Yeah, they're 92 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 1: all there. The fucking nerves, doesn't it always grosses me out? Yeah? 93 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:01,280 Speaker 1: The Proud Boys are just in variation on a theme 94 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:04,919 Speaker 1: of terrible names for right wing terrorist groups. Yeah. In 95 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:07,919 Speaker 1: order to briad camaraderie and loyalty, Matthews developed rituals for 96 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 1: his warrior elite and went to quote now from bringing 97 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 1: the war home. They took their induction oath on Matthew's farm. 98 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: They stood in a circle around a white female infant, 99 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 1: who symbolized the race they sought to protect. They raised 100 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 1: their arms in a Hitler salute. I as a free 101 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: Aryan man, they recited hereby swear an unrelenting oath upon 102 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: the green graves of our sires, upon the children, and 103 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 1: the wombs of our wives. They swore that they had 104 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 1: no fear of death or foe, but had a sacred 105 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:33,719 Speaker 1: duty to do whatever is necessary to deliver our people 106 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 1: from the jew and bring total victory to the Aryan race. 107 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 1: They pledged secrecy about all activities to follow. They swore 108 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 1: to rescue any of their number taken prisoner. Should an 109 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: enemy agent hurt you, they promised their silent brothers, I 110 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: will chase him to the ends of the earth and 111 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 1: remove his head from his body. Their oath recognized them 112 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: as racial warriors, but also transformed them into weapons. My brothers, 113 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: let us be God's battle axe and weapons of war. 114 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:58,840 Speaker 1: Let us go forth by ones and twos, by scores 115 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 1: and legions as true Aryan men. They vowed, we are 116 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 1: in a state of war and will not lay down 117 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: our weapons until we have driven the enemy into the 118 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 1: sea and reclaimed the land which was promised to our 119 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:10,160 Speaker 1: fathers of old, and through our blood in his will 120 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: becomes the land of our children to be. I cannot 121 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: believe these nerds who look so disgusted to the entire thing. 122 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:19,840 Speaker 1: I was just like, oh, I hate it so much, 123 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:26,039 Speaker 1: some sexist, racist, awful, white supremacist bullshit. But it's also 124 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: so they're so embarrassing. It is also what it is. 125 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: It's like they're so evil and they're so lame. This 126 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: is part of why I think that like making stuff 127 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: like dungeons and dragons and larking more socially acceptable might 128 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 1: reduce the number of young men who do you see 129 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: your outlet, Yeah, just give him an excuse to talk 130 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: about axes and hating people. Except you know, yeah, that 131 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: really kind of proves me incorrect on that, because they 132 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 1: just did both. They both Yeah, in March Night, the 133 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: Order carried out their first robbery of an armored car. 134 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:05,479 Speaker 1: They netted forty three thousand dollars. They robbed the same 135 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 1: armored car again in April and got their biggest score yet, 136 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 1: two hundred and thirty thousand dollars. Later that month, Order 137 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 1: members also bombed a synagogue in Boise, Idaho, Okay. As 138 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 1: the summer of rolled along, Matthews and other members of 139 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 1: his inner circle began to worry that one of their men, 140 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 1: Walter West, might talk. Two of Bob's men shot and 141 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 1: buried him in the woods on June one. A little 142 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: more than two weeks later, on Jeans sevent, Matthews and 143 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 1: three of his men shot and killed Alan Berg, a 144 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 1: Jewish radio host and anti fascist who regularly attacked Neo 145 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 1: Nazis on the air. The Burg murder officially raced the 146 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 1: Order's profile and guaranteed major law enforcement attention. The group's 147 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 1: danger was reinforced a month later when they hoisted a 148 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: Brinks truck in Ucaya, California, and made off with the 149 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 1: staggering three point six million dollars. Je yep, I wonder 150 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 1: where all that money went? Let's read the next paragraph. 151 00:07:57,200 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: Now flush with enough cash to rage wage of revolution. 152 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: Using his order, began buying up guns like they were 153 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 1: going out of style when they also purchased a three 154 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 1: acre plot of land in Missouri in a hundred and 155 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 1: ten acres in Idaho. Each participant in the robbery got 156 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: forty dollars, but the bulk of the money went to 157 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 1: other fascists around the country. Different organizations received grants in 158 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: a hundred thousand dollar increments. Matthews also tied not So 159 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: Gred do Nazi research. Yeah. Matthews also tithed ten percent 160 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 1: of has stolen money to the Arian nations. So that's good. Yeah, 161 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: you know, just give them giving out, giving back. They're 162 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 1: really hurting for cash. You know who else is certain 163 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 1: for cash? That's a bad ad transition, Sophie. You know 164 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 1: who else wants your cash? Who and is better than 165 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 1: Nazis the advertisers for this show, for this show. Yeah 166 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: that's good, that's your hope. Yeah. Yeah, I am not 167 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:03,319 Speaker 1: doing great today. I do have Chekhov's case of Perry. 168 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 1: No not yet. I just I feel like I have 169 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 1: to really build it up because definitely going to be 170 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:12,079 Speaker 1: the last thing I get to throw in this room. Now. 171 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 1: Sophy's just giving me a look anyway, products we're back. 172 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 1: How you doing, Sophie, Yeah, you should make sure the 173 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 1: dogs on the other side of the room, because who 174 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 1: knows when I'll throw this, PERRYA just look for the 175 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 1: dog I will now. Members of the Order developed code 176 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 1: names and acquired fake I d. S. Matthews even had 177 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 1: silver medallion's crafted to act as proof of membership. Oh, 178 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 1: it's about to get cooler, Katie. Because they had nicknames, ye, 179 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 1: nicknames like moon Wolf, Marshal somebody Sam. Do you say 180 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 1: Veal mar? These are bad? Yeah, Yosemite Sam, that's like yeah. 181 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:08,439 Speaker 1: One member was nicknamed Mr. Closet for his love of 182 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 1: assaulting gay men. Oh my god, no, it makes it 183 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 1: sound like he's in the closet. She probably was, probably was. 184 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 1: Louis Bean was codenamed Jolly, and Lone Star. Pierce was 185 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 1: code named Brigham after Mormon leader Brigham Young had medallion's. 186 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 1: The only good nickname there is Jolly. They're chilling. First 187 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: of all, it's super lame to pick your own nickname. 188 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:33,959 Speaker 1: And you know, they all picked their own nicknames, except 189 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,319 Speaker 1: for maybe Mr. Closet. I feel like somebody gave me 190 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 1: was like, but they're so bad they're so lame. They're 191 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:46,679 Speaker 1: so lame, okay, and they're silly, and you get it 192 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 1: at all. It's like a lone wolf, all right, now 193 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 1: you're not You're like a yeah, you got your law 194 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 1: enforcement field officer, no, field marshal, marshal. There's some cops 195 00:10:57,320 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 1: that or nazis. Well that's not a field mark, that's 196 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 1: an cop. They're like law enforcement. No, no field marshals, 197 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 1: like a general level rank. But it was like the 198 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: Germans had a lot of feel not only Germans, but 199 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: yeah it's a military. Yeah, but the same idea. Yeah. Yeah. 200 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 1: And then you got Sam which is silly that they are. Yeah, 201 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 1: it's silly, exactly who they are. Yeah. In nine months, 202 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 1: Bob Matthews had turned his dreams in the theories of 203 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 1: men like Beaman Pierce into a real revolutionary movement. He 204 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 1: had made the Turner Diaries. Real new recruits to the 205 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 1: Order were reportedly handed copies of the book, and for 206 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: a while, law enforcement seemed powerless to do anything to 207 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 1: stop them. According to Bring the War Home quote, even 208 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 1: if federal agents and a few journalists were aware of 209 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 1: the white power movement, the mainstream public continued to see 210 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 1: most white power of violence as the work of Arrant Madman. 211 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: The phrase lone wolf, previously used to describe criminals acting alone, 212 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 1: was employed increasingly in the nineteen eighties and nineties to 213 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 1: describe white power activists. Has played into the movement's aim 214 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 1: to prevent anyone from putting together a cohesive account of 215 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 1: the group's actions up Not all checks out, doesn't it? 216 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 1: So I take them seriously. History of how we don't 217 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:10,679 Speaker 1: call white terrorists, but you know who we should call terrorists? 218 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 1: Antifa group that didn't kill anybody, zero people? Yes, are 219 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 1: you suggesting that they're not? I'm just saying, like of 220 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: the groups I'm willing to consider terrorists. Al Qaeda, the 221 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 1: death toll thousands, right, yeah, uh, Antifa death told zero, 222 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 1: KKK death toll thousands. But they're not actually a terrorist 223 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 1: group in the US. That's that's what's white nationalist terrorism. 224 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 1: It doesn't seem to be treated as seriously. Not because 225 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 1: there are a bunch of lone wolves in a pack together. Yeah, 226 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 1: you can't fight lone wolves, but they're they're a pack, 227 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 1: but they're alone. Yeah, they're a pack of lone wolves, 228 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:04,679 Speaker 1: which you can't defend. Again, it is good times. So 229 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:07,839 Speaker 1: the orders undoing came from a member of the group 230 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 1: and a former National Alliance schoon named Tom Martinez. Matthews 231 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: had brought Martinez in to help pass counterfeit bills around 232 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:16,560 Speaker 1: his home in Philadelphia. He was caught by the FBI, 233 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 1: and he turned informant to avoid prison. The FBI used 234 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 1: this information to track Matthews to Portland, Oregon, where they 235 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 1: engaged him in a short gun battle. Bob was wounded 236 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 1: but managed to flee to Whidbey Island in Washington with 237 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: several of his most loyal soldiers. The FBI surrounded the 238 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:34,079 Speaker 1: house and eventually all of Matthews's men surrendered, but Robert 239 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 1: Matthews refused to give up alone. He fought the FBI 240 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 1: off for an astonishing forty hours. The Bureau eventually burned 241 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:46,680 Speaker 1: the cabin down around Matthews, killing him on December eighth. Yeah. 242 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 1: He's a bit of a hero to these guys to 243 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 1: this day. Yeah. With their leader debt, the Order eventually crumbled, 244 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: proving by the way that Louis Baum had been right 245 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 1: to emphasize leaderless resistance. After five months of arrests around 246 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 1: the country, more than fifty members of the Order had 247 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:03,199 Speaker 1: been arrested. The FBI recovered a great deal of cash, 248 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 1: but millions remained unaccounted for. They found what some of 249 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 1: that money had bought, though, When they rated the heavily 250 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: armed Ozark's compound of the Covenant, the Sword in the 251 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: Arm of the Lord Law, anti tank rockets and machine 252 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:16,439 Speaker 1: guns were found hidden on the property. The c s A. 253 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:18,439 Speaker 1: We're not the only group who had bought rocket launchers 254 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 1: with the orders of gotten Gains, however, and not all 255 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 1: of those weapons were recovered. This is part of why 256 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 1: it became illegal for U. S. Servicemen to be members 257 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 1: of extremist groups, because all these fucking weapons kept getting it. 258 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 1: And that's the only reason. Yeah, that's the only reason. 259 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 1: You used to be really easy to get military grade weapons. 260 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 1: They did some reforms that have made that harder apparently, 261 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: so good bully for them. Kudos the military. I mean, 262 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 1: they're actually, of all the government organizations, they're the only 263 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 1: one with any kind of effective long term response to 264 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 1: any of this. Yeah. Yeah. Now. The first trial associated 265 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 1: with the order took place in Seattle and included several 266 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 1: members of the c s A. They played guilty on 267 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 1: weapons chargers and were convicted of rack teering. Next, the 268 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 1: U S Attorney brought a ninety three page indictment against 269 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 1: twenty three members of the Order. Robert Miles, Louis Bam, 270 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 1: and William Pierce were not indicted. In the months leading 271 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 1: up to the trial, members of the Order rolled over 272 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 1: on their comrades with unusual regularity. By the time the 273 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: trial rolled around in September n only ten of them 274 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 1: actually faced trial. This hardened core of loyal racists included 275 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 1: David Lane, the man who would years later coined the 276 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 1: fourteen words that neo Nazis still used today as a 277 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 1: calling card YEP. During the case, prosecutors specifically noted that 278 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 1: the Turner diaries had acted as a blueprint for Bob Matthews. 279 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 1: According to Blood and Politics quote, in an opening statement, 280 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 1: a defense attorney acknowledged that his client was a clan 281 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 1: member and an avowed white supremacist or white separatist. Now 282 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 1: I say white separatist, he continued, because there is a 283 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: significant difference in an individual who professes to be a 284 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: white supremacist as opposed to a white separatist. What was 285 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 1: that difference? The white separatist is nothing different than a 286 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 1: black nationalist who advocates a separation of races, wants to 287 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 1: live only with those members of his race. He advocates 288 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 1: the fact that when racism mixed together, they cannot survive 289 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 1: because of their division in their cultural backgrounds, their upbringing, 290 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 1: in their history. The Seattle jury did not buy this 291 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: distinction between white supremacy the nineteen any more than the 292 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 1: Supreme Court was willing to endore separate but equal doctrine 293 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 1: in nineteen fifty four. Neither did the jury believe defense 294 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 1: efforts to impute the credibility of arians who became prosecution witnesses, 295 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 1: nor did jurors accept contentions that the defendants beliefs were 296 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 1: unrelated to the enumerated crimes. After four months at trial, 297 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 1: all were found guilty. So that's good. That's good. Yeah, 298 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 1: yeah yeah. Now, in death, Bob Matthews and his Order 299 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: became a symbol for fascists around the country. In Raleigh, 300 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 1: North Carolina, hundreds of Nazis rallying under banners that said 301 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: we love the Order. In Idaho, a group called Order 302 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 1: to set off several bombs in cort Aline. The date 303 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 1: of Matthew's death, December eighth, became Martyr's Day to many 304 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 1: neo Nazis. Some of them started carrying out memorial camping 305 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 1: trips near where he had been killed on Whidbey Island. 306 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: But still the order had failed in its goals, and 307 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 1: that failure had come at a substantial cost. William Beam 308 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 1: and Lewis Pierce had not been indicted or charged his 309 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 1: result of Matthew's activities, but they now found themselves at 310 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 1: the center of much more FBI attention. In an operation 311 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 1: named Clean Sweep, the bureau began seating white supremacist organizations 312 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 1: around the country with undercover operatives. Later, in nineteen eighty five, 313 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 1: they stopped an area nation's plot to kill a government 314 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 1: in form it. Another terrorist associated with the group was 315 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 1: stopped after a bombing a federal building, several businesses, and 316 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:24,639 Speaker 1: a rectory and cord Aline. In nine six, the FEDS 317 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 1: busted William Potter Gale, founder of the Posse Coomatatus in Nevada. 318 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:31,159 Speaker 1: Gale and several allies were convicted of planning to bomb 319 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:35,120 Speaker 1: the i R. S kind of sounds like an insurgency, 320 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:38,679 Speaker 1: It kind of does sound like yep. Near the end 321 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 1: of nineteen eighty six, the FBI busted eight members of 322 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 1: a new group the Arizona Patriots before they could carry 323 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 1: out their goal of following in Bob Matthews's footsteps. The 324 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 1: group had planned to rob banks to finance a domestic consurgency. 325 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 1: All around the u S, white supremacists continued to plot 326 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 1: and launch attacks. One of these men was Glenn Miller, 327 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: formerly the leader of a group called the White Patriot Party. 328 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 1: He'd received at least seventy five thousand dollars in Order 329 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 1: Monny from Bob Matthews. As the FBI busted more and 330 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 1: more of these guys, they found more and more evidence 331 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:07,920 Speaker 1: of the Order's influence and money, and gradually they pieced 332 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 1: together the story of what had really happened and came 333 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 1: to realize that Matthews's group had sought nothing less than 334 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 1: the complete overthrow of the federal government. In midnight, Louis Beam, 335 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:20,639 Speaker 1: Richard Butler, Robert Miles, and several other ideological leaders of 336 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:23,639 Speaker 1: the fascist movement were finally indicted for their role in 337 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 1: the Order. So that's cool, yeah, and we're gonna hear 338 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 1: about what happened next after ads, I'm just incapable of 339 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 1: doing a good ad transition. That was great, thank you, 340 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:42,239 Speaker 1: but it's a lie. You know it's I'm not going 341 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 1: to throw it yet. I'm just I'm building tension. Bring 342 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 1: it up. This is how you screenwriting one on one 343 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 1: Katie Chekhov's case of Perry A. Just my heart stops. 344 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 1: But I'm cool and laid back, So whatever you're gonna do. 345 00:18:57,119 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 1: You know, the reality of the situation is, as soon 346 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:01,199 Speaker 1: as I started getting a sense for the heft of 347 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 1: this case, I started regretting the fact that I've taught 348 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:05,920 Speaker 1: this up so much, but now it has to happen. 349 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:09,120 Speaker 1: What about taking one out throwing it? That actually might 350 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 1: make it more dangerous. Then it will fall out the 351 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 1: back like a scatter bomb if you open it. It's 352 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:19,680 Speaker 1: what if we taped pillows all around it. I don't 353 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:21,359 Speaker 1: think we can do that. I think I have to 354 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 1: throw it. You can subvert the narrative and not throw it, 355 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:26,879 Speaker 1: but the best thing we do with narratives is not 356 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 1: to subvert them. Sure, you can just give it a 357 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 1: gentle stories the way we do, but you could get 358 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 1: a bit of you could redefine what throwing is, make 359 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:38,159 Speaker 1: it like a gentle toss. I'm not going to go 360 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: because I don't feel like that's necessary given the extremity 361 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:44,879 Speaker 1: of what this case of perry A represents. But I 362 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 1: am going to throw it. I mean those are the cans, correct, Yeah, okay, 363 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 1: that's something. Yeah, it's several pounds tin slim cans. As 364 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 1: the package states, how we doing, Sylphie adds, it's not 365 00:19:56,920 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 1: even twelve products. We're back. Okay, we hadn't come back yet, 366 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 1: I started talking about perry A. So, uh yeah. Robert Miles, 367 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 1: Richard Butler, Louis Beam, and several other fascist ideologues had 368 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 1: gotten indicted for their role in the order. Um Getting 369 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 1: all of these guys together was quite a task, and 370 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 1: at one point Louis Beam's wife shot of federal agent 371 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 1: who came for them. But eventually they all got found up. Yeah, 372 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 1: they all wound up under trial. Um So, the Justice 373 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:38,919 Speaker 1: Department charged these men with a number of crimes, including 374 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:42,120 Speaker 1: seditious conspiracy to quote overthrow, put down, and destroyed by 375 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 1: force the government of the United States and form a 376 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 1: new arian nation. Oddly enough, William Pierced was not indicted. 377 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:51,400 Speaker 1: Seditious conspiracy was a crime numerous communists and Puerto Rican 378 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 1: nationalists had already been successfully convicted of committing, but no 379 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:57,639 Speaker 1: Nazis or white supremacists had ever been convicted of the crime. 380 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 1: Despite the order's shocking violence and well docum minute goals, 381 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:04,200 Speaker 1: this fact did not change The trial convened in February 382 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: of nine, and the fascist defense attorneys managed to exclude 383 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,119 Speaker 1: any black people from the jury. The trial was almost 384 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 1: instantly a ship show and served more to allow Louis 385 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 1: Beam to preach his views to the nation than to 386 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:17,399 Speaker 1: guarantee justice. In his opening statement, he told the jury, 387 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 1: the only reason I'm here is because I said what 388 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:22,160 Speaker 1: I think. If the Constitution is still alive, I'm innocent. 389 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 1: Beam admitted that he had set up computer billetin boards 390 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:27,879 Speaker 1: for different fascist groups around the country, but denied that 391 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 1: these boards were used for any illicit communication. He told 392 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,160 Speaker 1: the jury he had been changing his daughter's diaper when 393 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:35,679 Speaker 1: the purported meeting that created the order had occurred, so 394 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 1: he dubbed the government's case the baby diaper conspiracy for 395 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 1: the whole meeting. Yeah, that's an outrageous diaper, Like take 396 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:50,400 Speaker 1: her to the doctor. Man, you're doing more to pick 397 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:53,120 Speaker 1: this story apart than anyone in the court of law did. 398 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 1: Beam ended one speech in his defense with an almost 399 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 1: word for word recitation of something he'd written in Essays 400 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,399 Speaker 1: of a Klansman about his anger at protesters he'd supposedly 401 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 1: encountered after a turning home from Vietnam. Quote from Beam. 402 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 1: As I sat there watching the flag disintegrate, rage and 403 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 1: bitterness began to engulf me. The flames consuming the flag 404 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 1: changed to flames enveloping an armored personnel carrier and the 405 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 1: hobo woods north of Saigon. The cheers of the demonstrators 406 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: became the screams of a nineteen year old soldier over 407 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,199 Speaker 1: his radio as he burned to death, trapped inside what 408 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 1: was fast becoming his coffin. The clapping of his hands 409 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:26,959 Speaker 1: as the flag fell to the ground became the deafening 410 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 1: roar of my M sixty machine gun as I literally 411 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 1: melted the barrel in an attempt to pin down the 412 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 1: enemy long enough for the dying soldiers friends to reach him. Finally, 413 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: at last came the laughter of those demonstrators as they 414 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,199 Speaker 1: spit on the ashes at their feet, blending in my 415 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 1: mind with the sobs of grown men as I remembered 416 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:46,119 Speaker 1: the armored personnel carrier disappearing in a ball of orange flame. Okay, 417 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 1: the prosecution just lets them say this ship, yeah. Yeah. 418 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:54,680 Speaker 1: The judge just lets them say this ship yeah. After 419 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 1: seven weeks of trial, Louis Bam and his fellow defendants 420 00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 1: were all found not guilty of seditious conspiracy. They were released, 421 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:02,959 Speaker 1: presumably free to return to their lives in the movement 422 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:07,159 Speaker 1: of doing nothing. Though doing nothing their lives harmless, lives 423 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 1: of being harmless. The Justice Department had taken it shot 424 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,440 Speaker 1: at the intellectual center of the white supremacist movement. They 425 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 1: had failed, and ultimately their failure came not from law 426 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:19,400 Speaker 1: enforcements on willingness to prosecute Nazis, but from ordinary white 427 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 1: Americans and the sympathy they held from men like Beam, 428 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 1: who built themselves as warriors against communism and patriots. Beams 429 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 1: racism and his desire to overthrow the government simply weren't 430 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 1: seen as that bad by a jury of his peers. Sure, 431 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 1: the leaders of the white supremacist movement had gotten off 432 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 1: more or less scott free, but the court battle and 433 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 1: the months many of them had spent on the Lamb 434 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 1: before being arrested had aged them all. Richard Butler's influence 435 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 1: would gradually fade after he returned home to Idaho, Louis 436 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 1: Beam continued to be an influential mind within the movement, 437 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 1: but he would be more careful and much quieter from 438 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,160 Speaker 1: now on. The heat brought on by the crackdown forced 439 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:55,719 Speaker 1: Beam to retire his beloved Interclan newsletter and Survival Alert. 440 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 1: The last issue contained an essay by an unknown author, 441 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:02,120 Speaker 1: probably Beam. In it, he wrote, the second American Revolution 442 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 1: will be a revolution of individuals, a revolution without exact 443 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 1: precedent in recorded history, because individuals can accomplish complex acts 444 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,399 Speaker 1: of resistance without peril of betrayal or even detection by 445 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 1: the most advanced snooping devices. Missions formally assigned to groups 446 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:19,400 Speaker 1: maybe undertaken by individuals equipped to fight alone. It would 447 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 1: not be long before a young man named Himothy McVeigh 448 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 1: would prove these words prophetic, individualistic. Yeah, community, it's collective, 449 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 1: but their loan. Their long wolves, but they are loan. 450 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: Just individual crazy people like the guy who shut up 451 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:40,120 Speaker 1: the Gilroy Garlic Festival. Not connected to a larger moom 452 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 1: was the manifesto or the book that it was by 453 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 1: a guy named Ragnar Redbeard, and it's one of a 454 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,920 Speaker 1: number of books that appears regularly in full. He was 455 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 1: like writing in the eighteen nineties, Um about like white 456 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 1: nationalism and uh kind of eco fascism, like kind of 457 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:01,640 Speaker 1: a really early eco fascist text. That's what the other 458 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:06,119 Speaker 1: guy a piece of said. Yeah, and it's one of 459 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,120 Speaker 1: a number of books that circulates a lot on a chan. Actually, Um, 460 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 1: you sent around PDFs for this stuff, like the stuff 461 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:13,920 Speaker 1: that people wouldn't have been able to get before the Internet, 462 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:18,199 Speaker 1: which is why Louis Bean was right to start doing this. 463 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,959 Speaker 1: We would talk more about that later. I think I'm 464 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,439 Speaker 1: gonna wait until next episode launch this perry A. But 465 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 1: that's what we call, uh foreshadowing or stating your intentions. 466 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,919 Speaker 1: I guess right, kind of like the Nazis did, and 467 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,200 Speaker 1: like the Nazis, I expect to not get in trouble 468 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,439 Speaker 1: no matter what happens. I would say that that's actually 469 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 1: foreshadowing that you won't throw the perry a. Like you're 470 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 1: talking yourself up about it, you're bringing it up, you're 471 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 1: reinforcing it in the really obvious way, and so that 472 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 1: might be foreshadowing to us that you're not You're going 473 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:51,919 Speaker 1: to change your mind. I've got to I've got to 474 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 1: throw them. Until I said this anyhow, then he said 475 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 1: that we've talked about it too much. Well, you guys 476 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 1: want to plug your plug hobles. Yeah, you know what 477 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 1: we do. We have a show called some More News 478 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 1: after YouTube show, and a podcast called even more News. 479 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 1: I pat Twitter dot com and a T public and 480 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,719 Speaker 1: a T public and we're on Twitter. Yeah. You can 481 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,159 Speaker 1: buy T shirts from T Public. You can find us 482 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,440 Speaker 1: on the internet somewhere. Yeah you can. I'm gonna throw 483 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 1: these cans in the next episode. Oh no, high scooting 484 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:26,479 Speaker 1: all the way away. I know, I love I love 485 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:32,159 Speaker 1: making you flinch. Just listen to the sound. That's that's 486 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:39,440 Speaker 1: foreshadowing ominous no under No Circumstances Episode over