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Speaker 2: Welcome in What's Right with Nick Right Episode two fifty three.
Speaker 2: I haven't even said hello to Demanse yet. This morning,
Speaker 2: busy morning over here watching the very end of Serbia Australia,
Speaker 2: discussing what we're gonna do for this show demands. Are
Speaker 2: you wearing the Aaron Rodgers shirt?
Speaker 3: Where did you get at I've got it? Where did you?
Speaker 2: Where did you get to that shirt?
Speaker 3: Courtesy of the courtesy of the company, courtesy of The Egypt.
Speaker 2: Okay, well that's a beautiful shirt. I'm glad you're It
Speaker 2: looks great on you. I will keep the audience apprized
Speaker 2: at how Serbia Australia ends. It's in overtime. Australia is
Speaker 2: up three and we're gonna do a bit of a
Speaker 2: different show today because there have been a lot's going on,
Speaker 2: uh with my full time gig at FS one, and
Speaker 2: I also am going to for a lot of this.
Speaker 2: This is sometimes I have to kind of uh, you know,
Speaker 2: we cross streams a bit on this show, but I
Speaker 2: have to be respectful to the fact that Demands also
Speaker 2: works for FS one out in California in the office,
Speaker 2: and so for when I'm talking network stuff and things
Speaker 2: that have been written the last week, I'm gonna ice
Speaker 2: Demanse out of the conversation because I just don't think
Speaker 2: it's a fair position to put him in, uh, because
Speaker 2: you know, there I probably have a little more freedom.
Speaker 2: Freedom's the wrong word, but I probably feel a little
Speaker 2: more comfortable talking about some of these things because we're
Speaker 2: you know, I've been with the company almost a decade.
Speaker 2: I have a forward facing role. Demansey's been with the
Speaker 2: company for a couple of years and dozen and so
Speaker 2: so Demanse will be back with us momentarily. First, though,
Speaker 2: let's do what we normally do to start to show
Speaker 2: what missed the cut. The US has been eliminated from
Speaker 2: three on three basketball, Jim Harbaugh saying I didn't know
Speaker 2: about any University of Michigan violations, and Jalen Hurts promotes
Speaker 2: Olympic flag football in a pretty dope little promo video
Speaker 2: for the twenty eight LA Olympic Games. But as we
Speaker 2: now get to where I want to start the show,
Speaker 2: which is a massive, massive moment in FS one history,
Speaker 2: happened last week as Skip had his final show. And
Speaker 2: on top of that, there was then a lot of
Speaker 2: articles written that I was featured in, prominently despite the
Speaker 2: fact that I talked to absolutely no one for them
Speaker 2: about the future of the network. One of my before
Speaker 2: we get to any serious stuff, one kind of fun
Speaker 2: little anecdote that this audience in particular will really appreciate.
Speaker 2: As Nikola Jokic hits a fade away turnaround fifteen footer
Speaker 2: to put Serbia up three with twenty five seconds left,
Speaker 2: it looks now more and more like it's going to
Speaker 2: be Serbia against the US in the semifinals. The picture
Speaker 2: that one of those aggregators used when they took someone
Speaker 2: else's reporting and then they used that the quote someone
Speaker 2: else wrote, but they wanted the tweets and retweets in
Speaker 2: all of it. The picture that they use of me
Speaker 2: with the caption about being the alleged future face of
Speaker 2: the network is me at the World Series of Poker
Speaker 2: at around two in the morning, right after I attempted
Speaker 2: a bluff that did not go my way and I
Speaker 2: essentially had been all but eliminated from this poker tournament,
Speaker 2: and I am just absolutely exhausted, despondent, and haggard. This
Speaker 2: is the p and it's a picture of me sitting
Speaker 2: there staring off into space. That is the picture that
Speaker 2: has been shared twenty thousand times about being the and
Speaker 2: the ironies not lost on me the face of the
Speaker 2: network when my face, which never looks that great but
Speaker 2: really couldn't have looked worse than in that image. But
Speaker 2: we'll get to that part later. First, I want to
Speaker 2: talk about Skip, because I sent out this tweet right
Speaker 2: after Skip announced that it was his final show, and
Speaker 2: I wrote a truly legendary run. Very few people in
Speaker 2: any industry can say they helped create and define an
Speaker 2: entire genre. Skip did that. Salute and good luck in
Speaker 2: whatever he does. Moving forward, and this was met, not
Speaker 2: surprisingly with a lot of I don't know, anger or
Speaker 2: angst from a lot of folks, mostly Lebron James fans
Speaker 2: or supporters, saying, how can you say this? How can
Speaker 2: you feel this way? And so I want to explain that,
Speaker 2: and then I want to talk about Skip. So the
Speaker 2: reason I say that and feel this feel that way
Speaker 2: is because I don't actually care that. I think Skip
Speaker 2: was dead wrong for a decade about Lebron. I don't
Speaker 2: That's not like people are entitled to their own sports opinions.
Speaker 2: I don't think his was phony. I don't think he
Speaker 2: was pretending. I think and I've said this before, and
Speaker 2: I think people wondered if I was only saying it
Speaker 2: because we're colleague. We were colleagues, but we're not colleagues anymore,
Speaker 2: and Serbia wins in Serbia advances by the way that
Speaker 2: I think Skip could pass a lie detector test on
Speaker 2: those takes, I think he truly believed it. I think
Speaker 2: they were bad takes. I think he was wrong about it.
Speaker 2: But as on the things that actually mattered, in my opinion,
Speaker 2: when race and sports crossed over and there were real
Speaker 2: discussions about real things, I felt Skip was consistently on
Speaker 2: the right side of things. Now, I understand he and
Speaker 2: Shannon got sideways at the end, and there was you know,
Speaker 2: famous blow ups, and there were moments that really really
Speaker 2: rubbed people the wrong way about how their interactions went.
Speaker 2: And I know some people ascribed some of that to
Speaker 2: malice or to their being a real racial component there.
Speaker 2: And I'm here to tell you that for whatever flaws
Speaker 2: you felt or things you liked or disliked about Skip
Speaker 2: Bayless on TV, that on the actual human personal things,
Speaker 2: I think he consistently was on the right side, not
Speaker 2: on the wrong side. If he was out there doing
Speaker 2: the what I think is trolling on real nonsports important
Speaker 2: issues for clicks and likes and views. The way we
Speaker 2: have seen a lot of people, many you know, some
Speaker 2: of which used to prominently be in sports and now
Speaker 2: crossed over to Carnival Barker political stuff. I wouldn't respect him,
Speaker 2: but that's not how I ever felt. And so that's why,
Speaker 2: even though I disagreed with basically everything he ever said
Speaker 2: about my favorite athlete of all time, Lebron James, I
Speaker 2: could feel comfortable saying those things. And here's the other
Speaker 2: thing I want to say about skip because nothing made
Speaker 2: me matter. Then when folks would act, would say, oh,
Speaker 2: anyone could do what he did, if anyone could more,
Speaker 2: would have Oh it's easy. I'm telling you right now
Speaker 2: that man was on television every day for the better
Speaker 2: part of twenty years. One of the absolute most important
Speaker 2: or noteworthy voices in sports was paid accordingly. And I'm
Speaker 2: here to tell you, if that were easy, everyone would
Speaker 2: do it. And this dismissal of what he did over
Speaker 2: a career because folks didn't lie the way he did
Speaker 2: it or the opinions he had, I think is ludicrous.
Speaker 2: There are so many folks who would saw off their
Speaker 2: left arm for that platform. And if it was as
Speaker 2: simple as, oh, I'm just gonna say this guy who's
Speaker 2: awesome stinks, and that guy who stinks is awesome, and
Speaker 2: that's the path to riches and success and fame, then
Speaker 2: a lot of people would do it. Okay. And so
Speaker 2: I'm again, it is not the style that I try
Speaker 2: to emulate. It is not what I think I do best,
Speaker 2: and I don't even I'm not even here to say
Speaker 2: make a moral judgment on whether it's good or bad
Speaker 2: or indifferent. What I do know is it is something
Speaker 2: that for the better part of twenty years the audience
Speaker 2: responded to, felt passionate about, and he was at near
Speaker 2: the top of the sports fan conversation until basically the
Speaker 2: last year. And that's also why on a personal level,
Speaker 2: I'm bummed that he didn't do a victory lap. And
Speaker 2: this is something that I've talked to no one about.
Speaker 2: And this is I have for any of my the
Speaker 2: FS one bosses or executives or anyone who credit to them,
Speaker 2: never mess with me about anything. Never tell me, do
Speaker 2: talk about this, don't talk about this. It's a true autonomy,
Speaker 2: and it's one of the reasons I love where I work.
Speaker 2: I think one of the reasons I have that is
Speaker 2: because I am very judicious about when I do and
Speaker 2: don't talk about family business, if you will. And because
Speaker 2: of that, I think I've built up quite a well
Speaker 2: of credibility and goodwill on that. So I'm going to
Speaker 2: dip into a bit of it here and discuss something
Speaker 2: that is just how I truly feel. And by the way,
Speaker 2: I want to say this on the front end, I
Speaker 2: don't believe Skip not having a victory lamp or farewell
Speaker 2: shows or any of that was because he was not
Speaker 2: allowed that. I'm basically certain that's not why it was
Speaker 2: because he didn't want to do it. Because I don't
Speaker 2: think that he views this as a farewell. He've used
Speaker 2: it as all right, I'm onto my next thing and
Speaker 2: good luck, and that very well may be the case.
Speaker 2: I am saying that what I would have liked as
Speaker 2: a consumer of sports media is if a couple weeks
Speaker 2: ago he had said, guys, my final shows are coming up,
Speaker 2: and the last week, god dogg it, we are doing
Speaker 2: the greatest hits. We are going to do the Tim
Speaker 2: Tebow Show and I'm gonna sit here and pound the
Speaker 2: table and tell you while I why I was always right.
Speaker 2: And then we're gonna do the Tom Brady Show and
Speaker 2: I'm gonna sit here and pound the table and tell
Speaker 2: you while I why I was always right. And then
Speaker 2: we're gonna do the Lebron show or shows, and I'm
Speaker 2: gonna sit here and pound the table and tell you
Speaker 2: why I was always right. That's what I and of
Speaker 2: course I'm leaving it out. Then we're gonna do the
Speaker 2: Dallas Cowboys show, and I'm gonna see here and pound
Speaker 2: the table and tell you why I was always right.
Speaker 2: I think, and I don't give a sh if kids
Speaker 2: who write about this stuff on the internet see this
Speaker 2: and writ me for it. I owe the audience nothing
Speaker 2: but honesty and my hard work, and I'm giving you both.
Speaker 2: I as a consumer, would have loved it. I wanted that,
Speaker 2: and I was so. I had heard through the whispers
Speaker 2: that this past Friday was going to be his last show.
Speaker 2: But then I watched it and I was certain everyone
Speaker 2: was wrong. So I'm like, well he didn't. I was like,
Speaker 2: it was like, hold on a second, there's ninety seconds
Speaker 2: left and they're talking about the US Puerto Rico game.
Speaker 2: This can't be it, like we're not gonna get But
Speaker 2: it was. And that was Listen, that was Skip's call,
Speaker 2: and he earned the right by the way to do
Speaker 2: whatever he wanted to do. And if he didn't want
Speaker 2: to look at it as a farewell but to see
Speaker 2: you later, then I get why he didn't do it.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, for me, Nick Wright, that's what I wanted,
Speaker 2: And God dog it, man, because I don't have like
Speaker 2: a real I have a friendly relationship with Sip Skip.
Speaker 2: He's always been gracious and kind to me and my wife.
Speaker 2: We've seen each other but he's not like someone that
Speaker 2: I have a deep personal relationship with. We've been on
Speaker 2: the opposite side of the country for eight years, so
Speaker 2: it's not like someone that you know, he doesn't go
Speaker 2: to me for counsel. But if he did, I would
Speaker 2: have told him, do a victory lap man in this
Speaker 2: thing we do. You're one of the founding fathers. And
Speaker 2: people can say, ah, he did this, he made it bad,
Speaker 2: or he did this. Man, you can have your opinions.
Speaker 2: I'm not here to tell the audience to you know,
Speaker 2: eat your vegetables. They're good for you. I'm here to
Speaker 2: tell the audience choose with your eyes. Man. You and
Speaker 2: for a very long time, very long time, the audience
Speaker 2: told you they vibe with what he was doing. And
Speaker 2: and so I just thought he had earned that and
Speaker 2: I and I know he would have been afforded that
Speaker 2: if he wanted to do it, but he chose not to.
Speaker 2: So that's his prerogative. But for me as a consumer,
Speaker 2: it was a bummer and I that and then I'm
Speaker 2: gonna get on and move to the future part of it.
Speaker 2: But this is a big moment, man. This is and
Speaker 2: here's the other thing that I'm gonna say that a
Speaker 2: FS one exists the way it does now because of
Speaker 2: Colin and Skip Bayless taking a chance and coming over
Speaker 2: and giving our network credibility. And then the third person
Speaker 2: who would be on that credit list would be Shannon
Speaker 2: because of what Shannon and Skip built together. But it
Speaker 2: took Colin and Skip taking a leap and taking a chance,
Speaker 2: and then Shannon and Skip had this amazing partnership for
Speaker 2: years that obviously at the end went sideways a bit.
Speaker 2: I think that's fair to say. But you sit across
Speaker 2: the table from someone from someone five days a week,
Speaker 2: two hundred and thirty times a year, for two and
Speaker 2: a half hours, where the where on the promo pictures,
Speaker 2: you guys are in boxing gloves, where the whole conceit
Speaker 2: of the show is we are doing battle. And you see,
Speaker 2: if you think that can ever sustain for longer than
Speaker 2: Skip and Shannon did, you can say, well, Tony and
Speaker 2: Mike have done it for twenty years. Tony and Mike
Speaker 2: a lot of things there. A they're not usually across
Speaker 2: the table from each other, they're in different studios often.
Speaker 2: B it's a thirty minute show. And see they're not pugilists.
Speaker 2: They're very often playing jazz. They're agreeing with each other,
Speaker 2: occasionally disagreeing, and listen, I think Tony and Mike what
Speaker 2: they've done is the greatest partnership in the history of
Speaker 2: sports media site from maybe Mike and the Mad Dog.
Speaker 2: Mike and the Mad Dog, by the way, ended similar
Speaker 2: to Skip and Shannon. It is very, very very difficult
Speaker 2: to have be like, Okay, here's the idea you two
Speaker 2: we're gonna build. We're gonna find things you disagree on
Speaker 2: that will be almost all we talk about. You both
Speaker 2: have to be certain you're correct and just do that
Speaker 2: every single day for years and years and years, and
Speaker 2: not at some point have it be like, Okay, I
Speaker 2: can't do this anymore. That happens. That's so I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't look at how that ended as a as
Speaker 2: a black mark, look at his things in and so
Speaker 2: so I am incredibly grateful that Skip took the chance
Speaker 2: he did, that Colin took the chance he did, and
Speaker 2: then both of those people allowed me, when nobody knew
Speaker 2: who I was in outside of Kansas City and Houston,
Speaker 2: to go on their platforms and very often tell them
Speaker 2: why they were wrong about stuff and I was right.
Speaker 2: And now smash cut to now Skip Leaves and there's
Speaker 2: all these articles written Nick right the new face of
Speaker 2: FS one can I all right, So this is where
Speaker 2: I am going to just be totally honest with you guys,
Speaker 2: and I again hope you take my word for it
Speaker 2: because a lot of you guys have heard me say
Speaker 2: that my career goals the one, the one career goal.
Speaker 2: I've added a few as of late, like I'd like
Speaker 2: to at one point be a part of an Olympics broadcast,
Speaker 2: even though I have a good friend who regularly was
Speaker 2: a part of the Olympics broadcast and he was like,
Speaker 2: don't do it. Miserable work, but the you know, I
Speaker 2: would like to be. There's other things I've added as
Speaker 2: the career went on. But the thing that was there
Speaker 2: the day I walked out of Syracuse that is still
Speaker 2: there that I have not yet achieved is as I've described,
Speaker 2: family feud style, ask one hundred people on the street
Speaker 2: who the biggest or the best sports talk guy in
Speaker 2: the country. I want to win that poll, and I'm
Speaker 2: not there yet. The Skip was on the top of
Speaker 2: that at one point. Colin's been on the top of that.
Speaker 2: You know, steven A's obviously been on the top of that.
Speaker 2: We go back further, Dan Patrick like, there's other people
Speaker 2: and I don't even want to mention everyone who have
Speaker 2: been on the top of that. I've never been on
Speaker 2: the top of that. I now feel like I'm in
Speaker 2: a place where I would get votes. I would show
Speaker 2: up again if it's family feud and there were like
Speaker 2: seven little blanks. You know, maybe maybe it says Nick, right,
Speaker 2: and you know there's four people voted for, you get
Speaker 2: a few points. But I'm not there yet. So I
Speaker 2: think people see face of the network and they're like, man, Nick,
Speaker 2: this is what you want. And I'm here to tell you, Yeah,
Speaker 2: in theory of course, it's what I want. And I'm
Speaker 2: also here to tell you it is absolutely unequivocally inaccurate
Speaker 2: to say it now. The face of FS one is
Speaker 2: Colin cowhurt, and he has been for some time, and
Speaker 2: that is undeniable. And right now. The reason I get
Speaker 2: uncomfortable with folks, I get doubly uncomfortable with folks putting
Speaker 2: me in that for well, doubly uncomfortable I get for
Speaker 2: two reasons. One is because it's Colin. The other is
Speaker 2: I am not right now trying to be that, because
Speaker 2: right now I'm not a solo act and don't want
Speaker 2: to be. Right now. I am part of a team,
Speaker 2: and I get oddly emotional talking about this. I don't
Speaker 2: know why, but just bear with me. So if those
Speaker 2: articles had said First Things First is now positioned to
Speaker 2: be the best show on the network or the biggest whatever,
Speaker 2: I would take that. I would that is what I want,
Speaker 2: That is what we attempt to do every day. But
Speaker 2: positioning it as Nick right is so wildly I think
Speaker 2: disrespectful to Wilds and brew that it makes me uncomfortable.
Speaker 2: First Things First has existed. The seven year anniversary of
Speaker 2: it is in twenty eight days. Seven years that show
Speaker 2: has been on the air. Nick Wright's been a part
Speaker 2: of it all seven okay, Ever, from day one to
Speaker 2: right now, I've done probably that show. If we do
Speaker 2: two hundred and thirty a year, seven times two thirty
Speaker 2: is sixteen ten. If we've done sixteen hundred and ten shows,
Speaker 2: I've done probably fifteen hundred and ninety of them. I
Speaker 2: think there's probably been twenty shows total that the show's
Speaker 2: been on the air, and I haven't been there. And
Speaker 2: that show was only beloved, super popular, successful, and part
Speaker 2: of the zeitgeist once Wilds and Brew got there with me.
Speaker 2: That is what that's what the show is. And I
Speaker 2: understand I'm not again, I am aware enough to know
Speaker 2: that because I've been there the longest and because I
Speaker 2: kind of have the spiciest takes or the you know,
Speaker 2: the I'm the the most vocal of the opinionists that
Speaker 2: you know. I'm in the on the poster, I'm in
Speaker 2: the middle, like I get that piece of it. I'm not.
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to be fake humble. I understand that,
Speaker 2: and I take pride in that, and I work my
Speaker 2: ass off for it. But that is not Nick Wright's show.
Speaker 2: That's our show, Colin. I'm comfortable saying is Colin show
Speaker 2: because it's called The Herd with Colin Cowhard. It's his show,
Speaker 2: and Colin it's like it is the the cornerstone of
Speaker 2: the network. And so I just I just thought those
Speaker 2: articles were prematurely disrespectful to him, and I don't like it.
Speaker 2: And I also thought they were dismissive of Wild's and Brew.
Speaker 2: And I would say for anyone who wrote these things,
Speaker 2: most of you guys have my cell phone number. Now,
Speaker 2: I understand historically I never talk to anybody, but you
Speaker 2: can still ask. Maybe I'll surprise you. Maybe I'll give
Speaker 2: a quote saying exactly this now. Maybe I'll leave you
Speaker 2: on red as I have for years. And I understand
Speaker 2: that's probably why people in sports media reporting don't reach
Speaker 2: out to me anymore, because I don't ever give comments.
Speaker 2: I don't talk about it. I feel like it's it's
Speaker 2: a dangerous game to play, but maybe I would. I
Speaker 2: don't know. I'm doing it here now. And I tagged
Speaker 2: all those folks in the tweet promoting the show because
Speaker 2: I wanted them to hear this and everything I've said
Speaker 2: these last twenty five minutes, I will stand by entirely.
Speaker 2: And if folks want to be mad at me about
Speaker 2: the fact that I didn't take some celebratory thing about
Speaker 2: skit because he and I disagree vehemently about Lebron James,
Speaker 2: and that's fine. You don't get you don't get me that,
Speaker 2: That's totally fine. And if some of my other colleagues,
Speaker 2: not at the network, friends and colleagues who think I'm
Speaker 2: too deferential to Colin feel that way, that's your prerogative.
Speaker 2: That's fine. It's not how I feel. I am very
Speaker 2: aware of the supercharge that my career was given by
Speaker 2: Colin believing in me, and that is a type of
Speaker 2: blood loyalty that I will always be grateful for and
Speaker 2: never be dismissed ab of ever. And lastly, I am
Speaker 2: still trying to be the answer to those family feud
Speaker 2: style questions. I am closer now than I ever have been,
Speaker 2: and that is because first things first is cooking, and
Speaker 2: first things first is cooking. Because me, Wilds and Brew
Speaker 2: love each other, work great together and filling each other's
Speaker 2: blanks like a good marriage. Honest to God, where I
Speaker 2: am weak, Wild is strong, where Wild's is weak, I'm
Speaker 2: strong where bruces Like that is how the Brew doesn't
Speaker 2: have really too many weaknesses, aside from the fact that
Speaker 2: he constantly disagrees with you know, except for his Michael Jordan,
Speaker 2: you know, blind Spot. But Brew gives our show a
Speaker 2: credibility and an authority that it wouldn't be there without him.
Speaker 2: And it's great to work with a guy who's literally
Speaker 2: never been in a bad mood as far as I
Speaker 2: can tell a single day of his life. I've never
Speaker 2: seen anyone like him ever, and so that yet do
Speaker 2: I want that show to be the biggest, best, number
Speaker 2: one show on the network. You're goddamn right. Will that
Speaker 2: be a validation of me personally? No, it's a validation
Speaker 2: of what we're doing collectively. And that's like I had
Speaker 2: so many people send me those tweets in those articles,
Speaker 2: and each time I felt a little more uncomfortable about it.
Speaker 2: So spend thirty minutes here discussing it. Now, take a
Speaker 2: break and talk about what really matters, which is Patrick
Speaker 2: Mahomes not being the number one football player in the
Speaker 2: NFL because everyone lists, everyone's lists except for mine, are
Speaker 2: just terrible. We'll do that next. What's Right? All right?
Speaker 2: Welcome back in What's Right? With Nick? Right? Deman's sorry
Speaker 2: to I issue out there for the beginning of that.
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Speaker 2: that happened this weekend that everyone knew I was going
Speaker 2: to at some point respond to was the NFL Top
Speaker 2: one hundred list, which is just a total and complete debacle.
Speaker 2: So let's discuss it.
Speaker 3: Yes, so the NFL Top one hundred came out. Patrick
Speaker 3: Mahomes is in the top ten, but he obviously wasn't
Speaker 3: number one. That was Turrek Kill. Yeah, I think the
Speaker 3: Travis Kelcey. Yeah, Patrick Mahomes at four, Sorry about that?
Speaker 3: Should should Mahomes take this personally and use it as
Speaker 3: bulletin board material or.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean it is. I mean it's this
Speaker 2: isn't like Michael Jordan having to create fake stuff to
Speaker 2: be motivated about. This is a Patrick Mahomes And people
Speaker 2: were like, oh, it was done before the playoffs started.
Speaker 2: I don't care, it doesn't matter. So you mean it
Speaker 2: was done while he was the defending MVP and the
Speaker 2: defending Super Bowl MVP and the defending champion. That's when
Speaker 2: the voting was done, and that's when folks said that
Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson is a better quarterback Tyree Kill who used
Speaker 2: to be on the Chiefs. The Chiefs traded him away,
Speaker 2: and when the voting was done had not lost a
Speaker 2: playoff game since he was gone, and since the voting
Speaker 2: was done one four more playoff games, and Christian McCaffery
Speaker 2: are all better than him. You have a funny look
Speaker 2: on your face here to Monsey, like, do you think
Speaker 2: there is any point in last year's football calendar where
Speaker 2: if you were if you were asked who's the best
Speaker 2: player in the NFL, you wouldn't have said Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 3: I think that you've instilled a little biased on me.
Speaker 3: But it is like a little it's a snub like
Speaker 3: either way you look at it, it just they stubbed
Speaker 3: him all the way at four still like not even
Speaker 3: number two or anything like that. But number four is
Speaker 3: pretty crazy.
Speaker 2: And behind another quarterback. Listen, I understand that Lamar had
Speaker 2: a wonderful year until, of course, he played Patrick in
Speaker 2: the playoffs and for some reason short circuited a bit.
Speaker 2: I get that, but and I understand this voting was
Speaker 2: done before that, But at no point should someone have
Speaker 2: been able to say, at no point in the last
Speaker 2: two years has it been a credible opinion that anyone
Speaker 2: other than that guy is the best player in the league.
Speaker 2: And I said this on the show, and who was it?
Speaker 2: Manginie and Wilds disagreed. Brew agreed. But if somehow the
Speaker 2: Chiefs were offered Lamar Tyreek and Christian McCaffrey for Patrick Mahomes,
Speaker 2: they say no, And Wild's and Mangini were like, I'd
Speaker 2: be one hell of a team I'm like, well, how
Speaker 2: much better of a team can you be than the
Speaker 2: two time defending Super Bowl champion? Like, honest to god.
Speaker 2: And so the part of it that's really galling is
Speaker 2: not being the number one quarterback. So like you can
Speaker 2: ask the follow up and all elaborate on that, uh,
Speaker 2: and we'll get to it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So if Mahomes is number one, how would you
Speaker 3: feel about Threek? He'll be a number two.
Speaker 2: I'd be okay with that. I like if they simply like,
Speaker 2: I'd be okay with that. I don't know that I think.
Speaker 2: And this is not because Tyreek told me to go
Speaker 2: cry on set. Like I like Tyreek. I don't mind
Speaker 2: that that. You know he was feeling himself on this
Speaker 2: That's fine. Oh that's a good photoshop. I do like
Speaker 2: that of me crying Tyreek consoling me. Here's the thing
Speaker 2: I am not. I don't think saying Tyreek is the
Speaker 2: best non quarterback in football is a bad opinion. I
Speaker 2: don't know that I agree with it. I think that
Speaker 2: if I had to choose one receiver, I think I'm
Speaker 2: picking Justin Jefferson. It's very close, and like I said,
Speaker 2: it's not a it's not like a disqualifying opinion like
Speaker 2: Lamar over Mahomes is. But I think Justin Jefferson has
Speaker 2: played sixty career football games and has fifteen nine hundred
Speaker 2: career yards. Justin Jefferson has never played with a great
Speaker 2: quarterback and played half of last year with a bad quarterback.
Speaker 2: He's played with. You know, he has had two a
Speaker 2: level quarterbacking. I think in Kirk Cousins most of his career.
Speaker 2: Tyreek obviously had Tua, but then previous to that had
Speaker 2: Mahomes for four years, and previous to that at Alex Smith,
Speaker 2: who was fine. Alex Smith kind of to a level
Speaker 2: at Kirk Cousins level, And so I don't I thought
Speaker 2: Justin Jefferson was way too far down the list. I
Speaker 2: don't think there's a big gap between him and Tyreek.
Speaker 2: And this is where folks can call me a homer,
Speaker 2: but I don't really care. If the question is non quarterbacks,
Speaker 2: you can have any one player for a playoff run,
Speaker 2: who are you taking. My answer to that question, Travis
Speaker 2: Kelcey Flatley try like that is. I think he is
Speaker 2: in the biggest spots, the most unguardable, dynamic player in
Speaker 2: the league, and I think last year was evidence of
Speaker 2: it when last year he was injured at the beginning
Speaker 2: of the year, double teamed more than he'd ever been
Speaker 2: throughout his entire career, seemed a step or two slower.
Speaker 2: Hampered didn't have the thousand yards for the first time
Speaker 2: in almost a decade, and then in the postseason did
Speaker 2: the following seven catches I think all in the first
Speaker 2: half against Miami in a blowout against Buffalo, two touchdowns
Speaker 2: against Baltimore with Kyle Hamilton guarding him, potentially the best
Speaker 2: safety in the league, eleven catches on eleven targets, and
Speaker 2: then in the Super Bowl nine catches on ten targets,
Speaker 2: including final drive of regulation third down, have to get
Speaker 2: in field goal range, ran the fastest he had run
Speaker 2: in any game all year to make it a chip
Speaker 2: shot field goal. In those playoffs he had thirty two
Speaker 2: catches on thirty six targets, and if you remove the
Speaker 2: game where it was negative thirty, he had twenty five
Speaker 2: catches on twenty seven targets for three touchdowns. And so
Speaker 2: I still would rather have Travis in a big spot
Speaker 2: than anybody else. As far as over the course of
Speaker 2: a season, you want to say, Tyreek, that's fine, I
Speaker 2: think I'd probably go justin Jefferson. But it's just a
Speaker 2: The Mahomes piece of it is just so disqualifying for
Speaker 2: everybody that I just I can't, I can't take it seriously.
Speaker 2: I mean, let me say one other thing before we
Speaker 2: do the last follow up. It was so obvious to
Speaker 2: everyone Mahomes was going to be number one that if
Speaker 2: you remember, they asked Jamar Chase about number one and
Speaker 2: he said, I refuse to say that guy's name. Spoiler alert, folks.
Speaker 2: That's not because he's not saying Tyreek Hill's name. He
Speaker 2: didn't say, I won't say his name, number one, Joe Burrow,
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow. It's because he thought it was so obvious
Speaker 2: that Patrick Mahomes was gonna be number one. What are
Speaker 2: you laughing about?
Speaker 3: No, it is. It is a weird. It's a weird thing.
Speaker 3: But the producers saying, maybe there's a little receiver beef
Speaker 3: between the two, but.
Speaker 2: No, no, it was good no, because he didn't say himself.
Speaker 2: He said Joe Burrow, Joe Burrow. It was clear he
Speaker 2: was talking Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 3: Weird saying the players take place with the voting, and
Speaker 3: that's a player right there. Saying that it's Patrick.
Speaker 2: Well, it doesn't mean he voted him number one. He
Speaker 2: probably voted Burrow number one one. He just thought it
Speaker 2: was going to be Patrick.
Speaker 3: All right, So the take a look at the new
Speaker 3: Tyreek King of the Hill, the King of the Tyreek Hill. Sorry,
Speaker 3: oh oh oh, it's.
Speaker 2: Just a bunch of mahomes Is on King of the Hill. No,
Speaker 2: that's pretty good, all right, I like it, all right,
Speaker 2: let's move on.
Speaker 3: All right. So last year, Puka Nakula and Jordan Addison
Speaker 3: and your guy Rashi Rice all became household names as rookies.
Speaker 3: This year we got Marvin Harrison, Junior, Elik Neighbors in
Speaker 3: Roma Doonsday. They're all reportedly off to hot starts at camp.
Speaker 3: Pick one of these receivers to stand out the most
Speaker 3: this year.
Speaker 2: Well, listen, I think Marvin Harrison is going to be
Speaker 2: the best. And while I think a Doonsay has the
Speaker 2: best quarterback in Caleb, I think a Doonsay with Dj
Speaker 2: Moore there and Keenan Allen there, I don't think a
Speaker 2: Doonsay is going to get the volume of targets that
Speaker 2: Neighbors are Harrison will Neighbors to me is just disqualified
Speaker 2: by the fact he's either gonna have Daniel Jones or
Speaker 2: Drew Locke firing passes out of bounds, and so to me,
Speaker 2: it's very, very obvious that it's Marvin Harrison Junior. I
Speaker 2: thought he was the best college receiver we had had
Speaker 2: arguably since Larry Fitzgerald. That might be a step strong,
Speaker 2: but it really felt like that watching him thoroughly dominant
Speaker 2: multiple years. He's with a real quarterback in Kyler. Again,
Speaker 2: I have my skepticism on Kyler as a leader in
Speaker 2: some other things, but Kyler went healthy, is certainly better
Speaker 2: than Daniel Jones is, and he's not gonna have to
Speaker 2: share targets the way Roma doonsay is. So Marvin Harrison
Speaker 2: Junior to me, is far and away gonna have the
Speaker 2: best numbers of any of those three rookie receivers. Now,
Speaker 2: they didn't include Xavier Worthy, who it sure seems like
Speaker 2: Mahomes is really prioritizing getting in the flow of things
Speaker 2: with the Chiefs offense. Now, I worry about Xavier Worthies build,
Speaker 2: and I'm worried about how thin and skinny he is.
Speaker 2: But the one thing that can make you feel a
Speaker 2: little bit better about that is Andy did have Deshaun Jackson,
Speaker 2: who's very very similar build, and you know Andy had
Speaker 2: Deshaun Jackson cooking because of that raw speed. All right,
Speaker 2: let's play a game now, all.
Speaker 3: Right, so it's time to play an NFL preview edition
Speaker 3: of likely Maybe what If? I'll give you a category,
Speaker 3: and you will give us three possible answers, each a
Speaker 3: bit more far fetched than the last one. So the
Speaker 3: first one we got. Last year, Dak Prescott led the
Speaker 3: NFL with thirty six passing touchdowns, the lowest mark since
Speaker 3: twenty nineteen. Who leads the league this year? The league
Speaker 3: leader in touchdown passes is likely? Maybe what if? Like
Speaker 3: the link to the.
Speaker 2: Likely Oh really? Oh okay, that's interesting. It's likely Mahomes.
Speaker 2: Uh is with this with it doesn't look like Rashi
Speaker 2: is going to be uh suspended this year? Or I
Speaker 2: just I don't think he's going to be suspended this year.
Speaker 2: By the way, the link to the odds, I don't Okay,
Speaker 2: here it is now, I've got it. Mahomes is plus
Speaker 2: six fifty, So I think it is likely Mahomes. Maybe
Speaker 2: it's c J. Stroud. Wait those three receivers. Oh that
Speaker 2: was I think he's more likely than Yeah, it's not.
Speaker 2: He's got the third best odds. So I don't you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, I don't think that that is
Speaker 2: uh that that is an outrageous one where oh I.
Speaker 3: Just lost it all.
Speaker 2: I don't think he's going to have the weapons that
Speaker 2: my what if? I mean, you know who, my what
Speaker 2: IF's going to be? My what if? Is Kale? Okay,
Speaker 2: Caleb's just out there cooking man that bears defense not
Speaker 2: white as good as people hoped. Maybe he's in some shootouts.
Speaker 2: He's got three legitimate receivers. They really try, you know,
Speaker 2: they do that. Let him throw near the goal line
Speaker 2: to juice the numbers. Like, so it's likely Mahomes maybe
Speaker 2: shroud what if Caleb? All right? Next?
Speaker 3: Okay, so we talked about terryk being the number one
Speaker 3: player in the NFL top one hundred aside from Mahomes.
Speaker 3: Who has the best chance to be Like, who has
Speaker 3: the best chance to be the guy next year? Next year?
Speaker 3: Is number one? Is likely? Maybe? What if?
Speaker 2: Okay, so this is we're just removing Mahomes entirely. So
Speaker 2: if we're removing Mahomes entirely, let me I gotta think
Speaker 2: on this. One for a second. I I think it's
Speaker 2: probably too early for CJ. I think that I don't
Speaker 2: think people are gonna call him. And also, but well,
Speaker 2: hold on, now that I know the voting takes place
Speaker 2: before the playoffs, it actually changes, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: how you've got to think about this because it's not
Speaker 2: as if someone can just go on a sick postseason
Speaker 2: run and change it. So I'm gonna say likely Christian McCaffrey.
Speaker 2: Especially if the Niners trade Ayuk, which I think they're
Speaker 2: going to do, he's gonna have even a heavier workload
Speaker 2: crazy numbers. So I think it is likely Christian McCaffrey.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's Josh Allen. If Josh is.
Speaker 3: This you know, with the lack of weapons in there.
Speaker 2: Exactly right, if he's running the ball like he did
Speaker 2: last year, turning that kind of makeshift receiving corps into
Speaker 2: something that and if this voting happens in December, you know,
Speaker 2: yet to have his inevitable you know, playoff defeating. I
Speaker 2: think he's gonna have a good year. Yeah, I do.
Speaker 2: I listen. I think that the pendulum has swung in
Speaker 2: some ways too far in the skepticism of the Bills. Listen,
Speaker 2: everyone's like, oh, they lost Diggs. Diggs was not very
Speaker 2: good for them the final dozen games of last year.
Speaker 2: The what if that I'm gonna throw on there is
Speaker 2: Micah Parsons. What if Micah has a twenty He is
Speaker 2: in his career, he has finished second, second, third in
Speaker 2: Defensive Player of the Year voting. He is gonna be
Speaker 2: used differently now in this Mike Zimmer system. What if
Speaker 2: Mica just has a start to finish dominant dominant campaign?
Speaker 2: That to me is interesting. What if?
Speaker 3: Whata?
Speaker 2: No, that's true?
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 2: Go ahead.
Speaker 3: Every year, at least one team goes from last in
Speaker 3: their division to winning it. Hally, I mean to winning
Speaker 3: it a year later. Sorry, last year was Houston. Who
Speaker 3: would it be this year? Likely? The team, the team
Speaker 3: that will go from worse to first is likely maybe?
Speaker 3: What if?
Speaker 2: All right? So the likely one is very very easy.
Speaker 2: The maybe one is also very easy to me as well.
Speaker 2: The likely one is Cincinnati. They were in last place
Speaker 2: because their quarterback got hurt, so I'll say the Bengals.
Speaker 2: The maybe one is also easy because this team tied
Speaker 2: for last in their division just added Caleb Williams. It's
Speaker 2: the Chicago Bears. The what if is the trickiest one
Speaker 2: because there are not good options. The other six teams
Speaker 2: that we are talking about are the New England Patriots.
Speaker 2: You can essentially just eliminate them, the Tennessee Titans, the
Speaker 2: Los Angeles Chargers, who I think should be better this year,
Speaker 2: but Herbert's planner fascia injury concerns me. And by the way,
Speaker 2: they're in a division with the Chiefs. Eliminate them, The
Speaker 2: Washington Commanders, who are starting a rookie quarterback and I
Speaker 2: don't love that offensive line at all, the Carolina Panthers,
Speaker 2: and the Arizona Cardinals. The what if going to go
Speaker 2: with is the Titans. Yeah, that's correct, and the recipe
Speaker 2: there would be CJ. Shroud year two regression. The Prince
Speaker 2: still has this fumbling problem and much like last year,
Speaker 2: it only takes ten wins to win the division. And
Speaker 2: somehow Will Levis, you know, has an excellent year. The
Speaker 2: new coaching staff. That's the Again, I don't buy it,
Speaker 2: but that's the that's the one that is the most plausible.
Speaker 2: If I have to go three deep on that topic.
Speaker 2: Do we have another one? Demanday?
Speaker 3: Uh, yeah, we got a Josh Allen has nearly escaped,
Speaker 3: being the league leader in interceptions the past three years,
Speaker 3: and with Khalil Secure currently slided as the team's number
Speaker 3: one wide receiver, this could be the year he breaks through.
Speaker 3: This year, Josh Allen will likely maybe but what if?
Speaker 2: Likely win the AFC East and losing the divisional round,
Speaker 2: so that's what they do every year. Maybe has a
Speaker 2: start to finish dominant campaign and wins that MVP that
Speaker 2: the media has so desperately been wanting to give him
Speaker 2: for years, and then the what if is what if
Speaker 2: he actually does No, that's kind of more the MVP
Speaker 2: piece of it. I guess what if would be what
Speaker 2: if this is the year he finally breaks through in
Speaker 2: the postseason and goes on a real run. I can't
Speaker 2: dismiss it again. I don't think Josh Allen's gonna lose
Speaker 2: to Mahomes and Burrow in the playoffs every year of
Speaker 2: his career. At some point, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: They're gonna catch fire the and he's too talented of
Speaker 2: a player. I don't think Josh Allen's not talented. I
Speaker 2: just think he's been prematurely anointed and he gets held
Speaker 2: to a different standard than every other quarterback in football.
Speaker 2: But at some point he'll do it, and at some
Speaker 2: point folks will be able to say, see, we knew
Speaker 2: he would do it like and then that's fine. I
Speaker 2: just need to see it to believe it. All right,
Speaker 2: we answer some of your listener questions. Next What's right?
Speaker 2: All right? Welcome back in What's Driving the Great demonte
Speaker 2: Let's answer some listener questions.
Speaker 3: Oudav Bard was said, Nick, what if Serbia beats Team
Speaker 3: USA and Olympics?
Speaker 2: So listen. We talked about this on TV, maybe also
Speaker 2: on this show. I don't like Serbia's chances. However, one
Speaker 2: thing that made me nervous about the US winning gold
Speaker 2: depending on how the bracket fell, and it felt exactly
Speaker 2: the way I was a little anxious about was might
Speaker 2: have to beat Serbia three times, played him in the exhibition,
Speaker 2: played him in the group stage, and now you got
Speaker 2: to play him in the Semis. Assuming the US beats
Speaker 2: Brazil today, which they should, and you do wonder if
Speaker 2: Serbia was you know, holding things back, or had things
Speaker 2: prep whatever it is. It shouldn't matter. Serbia's team has
Speaker 2: been very unimpressive to me, except for Joker, and you know,
Speaker 2: it just took everything Ochre had for them to beat Australia,
Speaker 2: but beating them three times, you know, can be a
Speaker 2: tough putt. So the I mean, I guess the listeners
Speaker 2: probably implying, will it be an indictment or referendum on Lebron?
Speaker 2: Potentially flip side galaxy brain to this after sir, after
Speaker 2: jokicch had beaten Lebron and Ad like nine straight times,
Speaker 2: All of a sudden, Lebron and ad have beaten Jokics
Speaker 2: three of the last four times they played. Can get
Speaker 2: to four out of five? Flip that before we get
Speaker 2: to next season? All right?
Speaker 3: Next, Dan asked France or Canada? Oh? Was that an
Speaker 3: extension of the first question?
Speaker 2: Oh? Okay, yeah, so, oh yeah? Who I think is
Speaker 2: gonna win? France or Canada? Later today, I think Canada
Speaker 2: is gonna win. I think Canada is the second best
Speaker 2: team in the tournament.
Speaker 3: Next, all right, Austin tap asked question for Nick. If
Speaker 3: you had to play an odd Olympic event, what would
Speaker 3: it be? An example, sailing, dressage, rowing.
Speaker 2: Okay, so I don't know if this counts as odd,
Speaker 2: but cycling. The lady that won the Golden Cycling just
Speaker 2: picked it up a few years ago, graduated Harvard, took
Speaker 2: a cycling glass in Central Park. Wasn't even supposed to
Speaker 2: compete in the final. Someone had to scratch for her
Speaker 2: to be a replacement, and she won it by two minutes.
Speaker 2: And I'm such an elite peloton athlete that I feel
Speaker 2: like I could maybe compete in that. I don't know
Speaker 2: that a cycling counts. I mean the top point every book. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean I'm an elite peloton athlete. So I don't
Speaker 2: know if I'm such an elite peloton athlete that during
Speaker 2: the pandemic, when I would post my screenshot scores, folks
Speaker 2: said I was I was that my bike needed to be calibrated,
Speaker 2: or that I was cheating, that I was posting someone
Speaker 2: else's scores. So I don't know if that counts as
Speaker 2: odd enough, you know what I mean? Is cycling really
Speaker 2: an odd Olympic sport? I think growing is just get
Speaker 2: on the right team. I think growing I could do it.
Speaker 2: I was out there kayaking in Turks with your little sister.
Speaker 2: She wasn't helping at all. I was cooking, So yeah,
Speaker 2: I think that No, that's I yeah, I mean the
Speaker 2: jet skis the bad incident I had the kayaking was fine.
Speaker 2: All right, Let's go to the next question.
Speaker 3: Eric Allen asks, would you take Caleb who you love,
Speaker 3: Justin Jefferson and Trent Williams all for Mahomes? Your old
Speaker 3: line will be awesome. You'd have JJ Kelsey to throw
Speaker 3: to and the guy who you think will be the
Speaker 3: second best quarterback.
Speaker 2: No, I wouldn't know. They're right where. There is not
Speaker 2: a trade where you can get equal value for Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 2: It doesn't exist. And considering the fact I think he's
Speaker 2: just gonna keep winning Super Bowls, I'm not going to
Speaker 2: change anything. No, So no, I wouldn't. And you got
Speaker 2: to pay all those guys like you couldn't even have
Speaker 2: the rest of your team the first round pick off
Speaker 2: the table. Yeah, there's no trade for Patrick Mahomes that
Speaker 2: works for the Chiefs. There isn't one.
Speaker 3: Next negative four and two, as would you not accept
Speaker 3: see mc number one in Mahomes at number two? He
Speaker 3: did carry party to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2: Well, listen, I would find that less galling than having
Speaker 2: another quarterback ahead of Mahomes. But no, obviously Mahomes should
Speaker 2: be number one. All right.
Speaker 3: Next Scott Frasier, Nick, what is the one thing that
Speaker 3: can make Caleb not be make Caleb not be successful
Speaker 3: this year.
Speaker 2: If the left side of the Bears offensive line is
Speaker 2: a disaster, I don't think it will be. But that's
Speaker 2: what that's what the answer would be. All right, what's
Speaker 2: the last thing?
Speaker 3: Delone just dropped this just dropped his top five quarterbacks.
Speaker 3: Gotta show us we.
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Speaker 2: not aggregated from today's show. That should be fun. Great job, everybody.
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