Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com
Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This He's Talking Cowboys,
Speaker 1: screening live from the Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the
Speaker 1: Star in Frisco. Sat. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian brought
Speaker 1: us Rob Phillips and Bill Jones. And it is time. Yes,
Speaker 1: it is finally time for football players to hit the
Speaker 1: football practice field here at the river Ridge Complex the
Speaker 1: corner of Vineyard Inventura in Oxnard, California. Yeah. Yes, And
Speaker 1: this is Talking Cowboys and I am Bill Jones with
Speaker 1: Rob Phillips. Brian brought us in Mickey Spagnola And are
Speaker 1: you ready for some football? Yeah? Ready, ready? Yeah. I
Speaker 1: feel like though that uh, you know, you're kind of
Speaker 1: been watching been watching FL Network. I don't know what
Speaker 1: the other guys. But then you got those you got
Speaker 1: those teams that are already getting ready, the Bears and
Speaker 1: the and the Ravens, and they've been practicing now for
Speaker 1: like a week, and you're kind of Hall of Fame
Speaker 1: game exactly. Yeah, so you're sitting here kind of going, Okay,
Speaker 1: it's uh, we're up next. But yeah, the fact that
Speaker 1: they we got here, they got through the conditioning run
Speaker 1: and now you have your first practice. So yes, I'm
Speaker 1: ready for we get to see a walkthrough, that's right.
Speaker 1: We're we're actually what are we an hour and a
Speaker 1: half away from the walkthrough here? Then we get to
Speaker 1: watch a minicamp practice, that's right. So still a couple
Speaker 1: of days before we see what qualifies is some rather
Speaker 1: real football. Yeah, the pad's coming on, but it's something.
Speaker 1: It's an extensions. It feels like forever since we did
Speaker 1: We did one show together and then we were off
Speaker 1: for a month, and now we get to see some football.
Speaker 1: Pretty good. Yeah, I think the thing that the thing
Speaker 1: that we can get from these walkthroughs, since we're guys
Speaker 1: lining up, you know, and you get a little bit
Speaker 1: of idea. They'll run through some plays that they'll run
Speaker 1: in the afternoon, and so maybe you'll see a little
Speaker 1: bit different some formations, sayah, where's Cole Beasley gonna line up?
Speaker 1: Which Tavon Austin? You know, how they what are they
Speaker 1: thinking about these rookie guys? Is is Michael Gallup getting
Speaker 1: work with the ones? I think there's things you can
Speaker 1: draw from the walkthrough practice, just because the coaches like
Speaker 1: to go through it, and it's kind of a way
Speaker 1: to say, Okay, this is what we're gonna do this afternoon. Boys,
Speaker 1: get ready for it here. Don't make your mistakes. Make
Speaker 1: them now, don't make them in the act. And the
Speaker 1: other thing that that I get out of it doing
Speaker 1: the preseason games. And by the way, I've already got
Speaker 1: my look at you get that you're ready for TV.
Speaker 1: I spent my downtime, the vacation time here. It's just posterboard. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, looks great. It's very post board. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: I'm constructing the roster and everything, and I've got my
Speaker 1: little notes that nobody can read, including me, but when
Speaker 1: I write it down, it commits to memory. But to
Speaker 1: your point, especially as we go along in training camp, right,
Speaker 1: you watch the walkthrough, you watch where they're using people
Speaker 1: even on special teams, right, and that sort of stuff,
Speaker 1: and you can kind of see how the coaches are
Speaker 1: thinking about some of the players. Yeah, and I'll be
Speaker 1: even more important this year because they got so many
Speaker 1: things and moving parts and guys you're not sure of
Speaker 1: who's playing where, and so we'll get an idea of
Speaker 1: what they're thinking going into practice. Right, absolutely, right, It
Speaker 1: jarred my memory of you guys like Bo Scarborough. You
Speaker 1: know what do they think. We kind of have an
Speaker 1: idea what both Scarborough might be in the running back rotation,
Speaker 1: but where is he going to fit on special teams?
Speaker 1: You know, if if the guys are gonna make this team,
Speaker 1: they're gonna have to do other things. And I think
Speaker 1: that's one of those guys that you want to keep
Speaker 1: an eye on because we all saw him at the
Speaker 1: University of Alabama. I mean, you know, he's very capable
Speaker 1: of carrying the football. Is he capable enough of playing
Speaker 1: some special teams if he has to? You'll see where
Speaker 1: the coaches initially think about him out here. And again
Speaker 1: that's just one guy. And check out the wide receivers,
Speaker 1: how they're being exact, they're being used on the first
Speaker 1: unit exactly, punk coverage or whatever. Then you know that
Speaker 1: they think highly of uh, that's right. Which also, by
Speaker 1: the way, we should point out in case everybody didn't
Speaker 1: see our last Talking Cowboys back at the Star welcoming
Speaker 1: Bill Jones back to Talking Cowboys fourteen years well, and
Speaker 1: this brings back memories. It was two thousand and four,
Speaker 1: I think right where we I was at, No, it
Speaker 1: was two thousand and five because my daughter was graduating
Speaker 1: from high school that year and I missed her move
Speaker 1: into college, which was one of the things I regret.
Speaker 1: Because I was out here for the three weeks of
Speaker 1: training camp, and I remember you, Mickey and me interviewing
Speaker 1: Kevin Costner right here on this tennis court right here.
Speaker 1: He was a camp visitor, and we interviewed Kevin Costner here.
Speaker 1: He came out and through the football. Remember a Ventura native.
Speaker 1: I believe he's up the road. Yes, he's got a place. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's the town that starts. I think would have see Calabasas.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's up the road going towards between Ventura and
Speaker 1: Santa Mark Carson. Now I got Calistoga on my mind.
Speaker 1: In Napa Valley. We digress by the way, though, I'm
Speaker 1: talking about a trip down memory lane. I've been here
Speaker 1: since Monday. I came out on Monday, and before the
Speaker 1: team arrived on Tuesday, we went over to Thousand Oaks
Speaker 1: and did a little story because obviously this is Jerry
Speaker 1: jones thirtieth training camp as owner of the Cowboys, and
Speaker 1: his first training camp was in nineteen eighty nine in
Speaker 1: Thousand Oaks. A lot of people forget that that they
Speaker 1: were were that one year wrapping up their time in
Speaker 1: Thousand Oaks before going to Austin. And I know, Mickey,
Speaker 1: you've done a story in Thousand Oaks, yes, and been
Speaker 1: over there with Nate Newton by the way, brought them
Speaker 1: down in Memory Lane and right. But one of the
Speaker 1: things that applies to this what's going on right now
Speaker 1: here in southern California, which no one in Dallas will
Speaker 1: understand because we've had this excessive heat warning for weeks
Speaker 1: in Dallas, but there is an excessive heat warning here,
Speaker 1: so that doesn't apply to Oxnard though, But you know,
Speaker 1: Sanford into Valley and including Thousand Oaks it was up
Speaker 1: over one hundred degrees the last couple of days. But
Speaker 1: here we're talking a high of eighty degrees. Because we're
Speaker 1: closer to water. It feels more like Oxnard today, though,
Speaker 1: yes it does. You know, it's the sun's not bearing
Speaker 1: down on us. Not give it a couple hours though, well,
Speaker 1: And to Bill's point and what you talk about and
Speaker 1: the reason why your team does this, and we went
Speaker 1: through we've all been through the the witchitall falls, and
Speaker 1: the Austin's and the places like that where you know,
Speaker 1: this is just ideal for your team. They don't have
Speaker 1: to survive practice here. You know, you want you want guys,
Speaker 1: you want everybody to be able to concentrate when you
Speaker 1: get in these these practices where it's excessive heat and
Speaker 1: you're just trying to make it and you're making mistakes
Speaker 1: and all. This this this environment gives young players a
Speaker 1: chance to make this football team. That's really where this
Speaker 1: the weather it's is great because you don't want players
Speaker 1: just you know, it is about toughness to a point,
Speaker 1: but you want these kids to have the best opportunity
Speaker 1: to say, Okay, he's he's given us his best effort.
Speaker 1: This is what he can do. This is what he
Speaker 1: can do. When you get situations like we were in
Speaker 1: which Tall falls Austin and then there were championship teams
Speaker 1: in Austin, but which Tall falls, I'll say it was
Speaker 1: it was just too much for grind, for the players
Speaker 1: to concentrate, and this just gives you the best environment
Speaker 1: to do that. And even as opposed to practicing inside
Speaker 1: on turf, this grass is great, guys in terms of
Speaker 1: I mean, after a while practicing on turf for a
Speaker 1: month starts to feel like concrete when you get absolutely
Speaker 1: right and it's sixty seven degrees by the way, is
Speaker 1: that what it is? Yes? All right, But we haven't
Speaker 1: had to break out the jackets yet. Now we will
Speaker 1: at some point in the morning. I don't know if
Speaker 1: it'll be this week, maybe the forecast. Are we mining
Speaker 1: for gold back here or what we always do? Micky,
Speaker 1: there's always distractions behind. You should know that at least
Speaker 1: there's not a fire over the rig. Jakie could never play.
Speaker 1: I mean, Nicky, you know you just build. I can
Speaker 1: tell you a professional. Just keep talking and they might
Speaker 1: be building the World trade somebody heard that. I'm sure
Speaker 1: our mikes picked it up. Which how much stuff do
Speaker 1: we we got? Ask blowers up? I mean, stuff happens best.
Speaker 1: They're getting the field ready for practice. The like alarm
Speaker 1: going off during the press conference yesterday. There you go.
Speaker 1: Jerry fought through it, didn't he exactly? Well. It was
Speaker 1: funny about that, though, was the timing of when the
Speaker 1: alarm went off, because I think I think it was
Speaker 1: after the anthem question, when they were asking the anthem
Speaker 1: question and the answer on it, and it was like
Speaker 1: on Q okay, the alarm goes off yeah, I can
Speaker 1: almost tell you because I wrote it down alarm. I
Speaker 1: did the same thing. But okay about the state of
Speaker 1: the Cowboys press conference yesterday, because I wasn't a part
Speaker 1: of the show yesterday, the combined show with leading up
Speaker 1: to the press conference got a little bit of new information.
Speaker 1: Now topping the list, I would say David Irving Jerry
Speaker 1: Jones says he does not expect him in Oxnard at all. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that that to me was the most surprising, and I
Speaker 1: wanted to make sure I was off on the side
Speaker 1: on the one oh five three booth listening and I
Speaker 1: was hoping that someone would follow up with that question
Speaker 1: about are you saying that he's not going to be
Speaker 1: here at all throughout the training camp? And I I
Speaker 1: was one of those guys that was very hopeful that
Speaker 1: he could have at least been here, that maybe everything
Speaker 1: in the off season, the OTAs, he would have put
Speaker 1: all that behind you. But obviously that's not the case
Speaker 1: at all. May Ben Todd Archer, who did ask about
Speaker 1: the Frisco portion, exactly. Yeah, it's up in the air
Speaker 1: whether he'll be right. I think I think that's a
Speaker 1: I think that's big news because again, you know, the
Speaker 1: defensive line rotation, especially at tackle is thin right now.
Speaker 1: If you look at Malie Collins on the pup. It
Speaker 1: was thin when we were going through OTA's and mini
Speaker 1: camps as well. So how they will adjust when we
Speaker 1: see Coney Eli inside on some Nickels stuff, where we
Speaker 1: see Tyron Crawford inside on some Nickels stuff. But they're
Speaker 1: gonna have to find a way to kind of do
Speaker 1: some things. Brian Price, those guys are gonna you know,
Speaker 1: uh jahad Ward H. Jones, those guys are gonna have
Speaker 1: to proba. We get a lot of reps in these practices.
Speaker 1: But for David just we talked about this pre show,
Speaker 1: just what does what does this mean for him as
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen years you know, because he's already gonna miss
Speaker 1: the first month. And I remember talking to him last
Speaker 1: year when he came back from a four game suspension
Speaker 1: and he said, this is like my training camp right now.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get back in shape and get back
Speaker 1: into football shape. But at least last year he had
Speaker 1: a baseline in training camp to at least be around
Speaker 1: the structure, be around practice, in the system. He's not
Speaker 1: gonna have any of that. I mean, that's well, yeah,
Speaker 1: because during the four game suspension he can't be involved
Speaker 1: at all. Right, that's it's Uh, this is a guy
Speaker 1: that when he's help he's getting distracted again. Well, Mick laughing,
Speaker 1: I didn't say anything. This is a guy that when
Speaker 1: he is engaged and healthy, he can really help this
Speaker 1: football team. And and I don't know, Nicky, when if
Speaker 1: he's engaged with the show, he can really help the
Speaker 1: show too. And I'm gonna help it by saying they
Speaker 1: cannot anymore count on him coming back after a four
Speaker 1: game suspension. It's time to move on. And if you
Speaker 1: get anything out of him, it's gravy. But I don't
Speaker 1: think you can make plans anymore around David Irving. That's
Speaker 1: well said. That might be. Yeah, that's kind of where
Speaker 1: I was going. I mean, can you expect that's a
Speaker 1: very early take the first you know, talking cowboys we
Speaker 1: have here from training camp. Because he's absolutely right, My
Speaker 1: approach was it too, is okay? Would you try and
Speaker 1: work things think about long terminal that no, you use
Speaker 1: him for twelve games and then you figured out you
Speaker 1: move on. Likely you either draft, develop, find some ways
Speaker 1: to go. But you've now shown that the good news
Speaker 1: from yesterday was that to me. As as I'm disappointed
Speaker 1: David Irving not practicing here in ox Start, I am
Speaker 1: happy that the league did not block h Randy Gregory
Speaker 1: from practicing. That's where I was worried. I was worried
Speaker 1: about Randy Gregory not be like league says, wait wait wait,
Speaker 1: Now he misses four or five days in a training camp,
Speaker 1: he's behind already. Yeah. So now the league has allowed
Speaker 1: him to practice, and I think that it will be
Speaker 1: sooner than later, and that will be a good thing
Speaker 1: at it. It'll be interesting to see when the Cowboys
Speaker 1: allow him to pray right, you know, I mean he didn't,
Speaker 1: but I think sooner and later. He didn't do the
Speaker 1: conditioning past like we talked about yesterday, a right show,
Speaker 1: and so they're gonna be very cautious on when they
Speaker 1: get him in shape and say, okay, it's time to practice,
Speaker 1: because I can't imagine on Saturday when the pads come on,
Speaker 1: he's gonna be out there with pads. They I'd be surprised, yeah,
Speaker 1: but they that's true. They were happy though from what
Speaker 1: I've heard, with just the overall shape he's in. It's
Speaker 1: not football shape. Greg Townsend working with him here in
Speaker 1: LA the former Los Angeles Raider. Yeah, when they were
Speaker 1: able to get back in touch with him and they
Speaker 1: were pleased with where he's at. And weight wise is
Speaker 1: important too, and I think Jason was asked too forty two.
Speaker 1: Remember he had a lot of trouble keeping weight on
Speaker 1: when he was here before the suspension. Hopefully, hopefully with
Speaker 1: a you know, with his situation diet. I don't think
Speaker 1: he'll ever be an overly strong guy. He's a long limbed,
Speaker 1: very linear built. He's got some leverage straight yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's he's more of a guy that doesn't give you
Speaker 1: a hitting surface. He's he's a dipper ripper kind of
Speaker 1: a you know, avoid kind of guy. As long as
Speaker 1: he has that kind of ability, he could always be
Speaker 1: a really good passer. So if they could put eight
Speaker 1: to ten pounds on him when the season starts again,
Speaker 1: maybe a better diet, a little bit of lifting, better
Speaker 1: conditioning should be good to go. If he puts weight on,
Speaker 1: it'll be muscle, because he has hard time just putting
Speaker 1: weight on weight. That's like the rest of us. That's
Speaker 1: what I was. That's no, but that's what I sold,
Speaker 1: was that it's it's muscle mass that he's got. It's
Speaker 1: not bad weight in terms of whatever fact, he wasn't
Speaker 1: going to be overweight. Even when he was trying to
Speaker 1: put on weight, he couldn't put on weight. He's gonna
Speaker 1: win on the first step. That's that's where Randy Gregory
Speaker 1: is gonna beat you. He's gonna beat you on that
Speaker 1: first step. And that's as long as he wins on
Speaker 1: the first step, it doesn't matter, doesn't matter if he's
Speaker 1: two forty two. But also you also you have a
Speaker 1: plan for him, and that plan he is a specialty
Speaker 1: pass rusher is what he is. Yeah. I said this
Speaker 1: yesterday on our show bill that I felt like that
Speaker 1: he's not guaranteed anything, And some people will probably disagree
Speaker 1: with me on that. But I think there's gonna be
Speaker 1: a really good competition when it comes to the other
Speaker 1: defensive ends. I really do. I like what you know
Speaker 1: with Armstrong, with Coney eally with those guys. I think
Speaker 1: you know Charles Tapper. I just wish Charles Tapper could
Speaker 1: be healthy. I can't say that enough, because I think
Speaker 1: Charles Tapper has the ability to be a backup defensive
Speaker 1: end behind Crawford. Who I think is gonna start. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he's got that kind of ability. Bill, And you
Speaker 1: know him very well from the days in Oklahoma and
Speaker 1: following him and you know, playing as a five technique,
Speaker 1: he's he was always playing there. But he comes here
Speaker 1: and he just hasn't had the same run of health.
Speaker 1: He's got potential like Gregory in terms of first step
Speaker 1: and Ben on the edge, and I'm not directly comparing
Speaker 1: the two, but he's got that type of as But
Speaker 1: now going into his third years, he knows too, he
Speaker 1: knows it too. He's you know, he knows that he's
Speaker 1: he's running out of days. He he can't he can't
Speaker 1: miss four or five six practices and expect to make
Speaker 1: this team. And he's one of those guys you pull for.
Speaker 1: You know, he had to go through with his mom
Speaker 1: last year and sick and then passed away. He's been
Speaker 1: taking care of his brothers in Frisco living with him
Speaker 1: and he's got just so much on his hands and
Speaker 1: he can have a heck of an NFL career, gotta
Speaker 1: stay healthy and he hasn't been able to do it.
Speaker 1: David Helman with a nice story on Yeah, Sure was
Speaker 1: what Tapper has been dealing with and such a good
Speaker 1: guy too. But because of the uncertain status of a
Speaker 1: David Irving and Randy Gregory, this team has had to
Speaker 1: put as much emphasis on the defensive line acquiring talent
Speaker 1: the last couple of years. Basically you got to have
Speaker 1: numbers there because you just don't know what's gonna if
Speaker 1: the availability of an Irving or a Gregory or those
Speaker 1: type players either or with the injury concerns as well,
Speaker 1: it has been very, very difficult for them to put
Speaker 1: together a defensive line that they had have any real
Speaker 1: consistency with as far as availability, that's the thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they can't. Yeah, and Collins gets hurt going through
Speaker 1: the bags, you know, and you're going, my gosh, this
Speaker 1: guy that is there, you know, brittleness in his bones
Speaker 1: and his feet. You know, what's the situation there? Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, it's we talk about different questions, you know, receivers, safety,
Speaker 1: you know. Now, I think the defensive line it looks
Speaker 1: like on paper when we look at it, a very
Speaker 1: potentially a very talented group. The problem is can you
Speaker 1: get all the pieces together on the field at the
Speaker 1: same time. We saw that last year with the secondary
Speaker 1: after the Los Angeles Charger game, what do they do
Speaker 1: all those young kids started playing, But that was really
Speaker 1: the first time that all the young kids could play.
Speaker 1: So you know, that's that's kind of where we're at
Speaker 1: with this. They need MALIEK. Collins on the field. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's got to take up one of those defensive tackle
Speaker 1: spots and get back to where he was playing last year.
Speaker 1: And think about it, he played okay last year and
Speaker 1: he's playing through a stress fracture in his foot, and
Speaker 1: they thought they took care of the stress fracture in
Speaker 1: the off season, and then he asked to have another
Speaker 1: surgery because he ended up now breaking that fifth meta
Speaker 1: tarsal so and he broke the other one a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago. Right, it was the third time he's
Speaker 1: had surgery for a broken fifth meta tarsal so. Two
Speaker 1: on one, one on the other. And he's probably not
Speaker 1: going to be out here practicing in pads for two weeks.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he'll be out here during training camp.
Speaker 1: He's walking around okay, so that's a good sign. But
Speaker 1: he's on pup so you know, Gosh and and and
Speaker 1: they're thin at that defensive tackle spot. I will say
Speaker 1: this I mentioned he broke the other foot as a
Speaker 1: rookie two years ago. He came back the last week
Speaker 1: a camp and you're thinking, wow, rookie missing time, could
Speaker 1: take him a while. He stepped right in and did
Speaker 1: a nice job that year. I think the question is
Speaker 1: can he stay healthy for sixteen games? The thing that
Speaker 1: I'm hopeful and we talk about him, I'm hopeful. Remember
Speaker 1: last year he going against Zack Martin some of those
Speaker 1: one on one drills and we were doing some compete
Speaker 1: period stuff live watching it and you go, I want
Speaker 1: you know, Collins won that time. You know, you're like, okay, good,
Speaker 1: you know, but then he'd lose the other two times.
Speaker 1: And yeah, you expect that because you're going to get
Speaker 1: Zach Martin. But he gave you hope that he was
Speaker 1: winning those one out of every four or three reps,
Speaker 1: you know, three or four reps he was winning because
Speaker 1: you're thinking, if he's beating Zack Martin one out of
Speaker 1: every two or three times, he's gonna beat other offensive
Speaker 1: guards and you know, and have some success. And but
Speaker 1: it's just the health. It's just been the feat the
Speaker 1: brittleness of the bones and the feet have just been problematic.
Speaker 1: For sure. And then after you know they're they're depending
Speaker 1: on jeehigh Ward there, yeah, but after him who ran Price?
Speaker 1: Ryan Price? Yeah, and that and Dayton Jones, Dayton Jones
Speaker 1: and then you know you had guys say that with confidence.
Speaker 1: Not really, I'm just going down the depth the gol.
Speaker 1: Daniel Ross is another one they've kind of you know,
Speaker 1: so yeah, it's not a it's hopefully they can find
Speaker 1: one or two guys out of that group much like
Speaker 1: they did. They looks like to me and if I
Speaker 1: just switched another position, I like what I've seen with
Speaker 1: Joe in the ot as many camps, Joe Thomas and
Speaker 1: March Lillard, Justin March Lollard. So if they could find
Speaker 1: some guys that are capable backup guys or backup players
Speaker 1: that look like that, hey, I can plug these guys
Speaker 1: in for eight ten plays and will be okay. I
Speaker 1: think that's what they need with this defensive line. They
Speaker 1: need to find Richard Ashe and Lewis and and uh
Speaker 1: and those guys need to Daniel Ross need to elevate
Speaker 1: their games much like a Joe Thomas or Justin march
Speaker 1: Lillard will be And I hate to say this, but
Speaker 1: if somebody emerges at right defensive end, Is there a
Speaker 1: chance Crawford moves back inside? I hate that for him
Speaker 1: because he's been ping pong back and forth between end
Speaker 1: and tackle. But the best field then they may have
Speaker 1: to do that all right. Time for a break already.
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Speaker 1: As we get set a little over an hour from now,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys walk through and then this afternoon their first
Speaker 1: practice of this twenty eighteen training camp. As it will
Speaker 1: be four o'clock Oxnard time, they can actually get on
Speaker 1: the field earlier than that, about to three to thirty
Speaker 1: or so. Guys come out on the field, So if
Speaker 1: you're coming out here to Oxnard, of course, that's all
Speaker 1: Pacific time right there. I wish you could see Mickey
Speaker 1: during the break though. We took care of the leaf
Speaker 1: blower right there. Ain't gonna be anybody out here till
Speaker 1: four o'clock. Is it not right? It was pretty good.
Speaker 1: It just let people do their jobs. You know, we
Speaker 1: can always lie together. Was yeah, it didn't listen to
Speaker 1: that speech at Jason Garrett. That's what I was. That's
Speaker 1: always together, totally over Mickey's head. Day. I was just
Speaker 1: trying to do He's like, they're not out and there's
Speaker 1: nobody out here until four o'clock this afternoon. You know
Speaker 1: you can do that later. I'll be the five year old. Right,
Speaker 1: that's right. You need a Cowboys schedule here it is
Speaker 1: Star magazine. I picked up my copy of Star Magazine too. Okay,
Speaker 1: you can go Dallas Cowboys dot com slash Star. You
Speaker 1: can also go to shop dot Dallas Cowboys dot com
Speaker 1: and order a print version of it. Yeah, right, and
Speaker 1: uh very nice. I'm just starting to leaf through it myself.
Speaker 1: Speaking of leafblowers, all right, Jerry yesterday he made the
Speaker 1: comment at given good health, he this could be uh,
Speaker 1: the one of the best defensive front sevens they've had here.
Speaker 1: That's a mouthful, is but given the health as we
Speaker 1: just ran down in the last segment, all the health
Speaker 1: issues as far as the front four is concerned, well,
Speaker 1: they've got similar issues at linebacker. I'll go this far.
Speaker 1: With the defensive line. I think I think it's got
Speaker 1: a chance on paper to be the best defensive line
Speaker 1: since Rod Marinelli has been here in the last four
Speaker 1: or five years. From a number standpoint, from guys that
Speaker 1: can get on the edge and rush the passer. And
Speaker 1: obviously there's some question marks. You know, well, David Irving
Speaker 1: may play inside if he's active and healthy to go,
Speaker 1: but you know, Randy Gregory has competition here. I'm I
Speaker 1: disagree with you a little bit, Brian, because I think
Speaker 1: as much as they've invested in him, I think if
Speaker 1: he can show them enough potential in the long game,
Speaker 1: sure they want to hang onto him, but he has competition.
Speaker 1: Dorance Armstrong is another big twelve guy build. It has
Speaker 1: a chance to crack this rotation get in basketball, Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: left tackles exactly. Tony Eely's a guy they like he's been,
Speaker 1: you know, coming off surgery though, But there there are
Speaker 1: guys there that can help. And that also includes Taco
Speaker 1: taking another step too. Yeah. I don't you know, I
Speaker 1: totally understand what you're saying about the the Gregory. I
Speaker 1: just feel like, though, if it's gonna be a competition. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and if if if it's a shame on them though,
Speaker 1: if they keep Randy Gregory and he does and Randy
Speaker 1: Gregory doesn't play well enough, if they keep him because
Speaker 1: of the reason they've invested so much in him or
Speaker 1: whatever got to it. But yeah, because and then put
Speaker 1: somebody on the street that actually Randy Gregory and I
Speaker 1: and people on Twitter got ammined about this yesterday. I'm
Speaker 1: not against Randy Gregory. I think Randy Gregor, I said
Speaker 1: this yesterday, is capable of playing these preseason games in
Speaker 1: the second half against seconds and third tackles and getting sacks.
Speaker 1: He's very capable of doing that. And if that's the case,
Speaker 1: then Randy Gregory will make this football team. I'm not
Speaker 1: against Randy Gregory. I just think that for us to all,
Speaker 1: for me or other people to say that Randy Gregory
Speaker 1: is going to get this job just because they've waited
Speaker 1: eighteen months to get him, I think is the wrong idea.
Speaker 1: If Cony Eely plays better, if Dorn's Armstrong plays better,
Speaker 1: and they don't get a roster spot because of that,
Speaker 1: then shame on this front office for not putting together
Speaker 1: the best fifty three man roster and just saying, Okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna keep this guy around because potentially, but Randy
Speaker 1: Gregory is more than talented enough to make this football team.
Speaker 1: He could beat Cony Eally out, he could beat Armstrong out.
Speaker 1: He could beat anybody out that plays at that right
Speaker 1: defensive end if he's got his head on right and
Speaker 1: he's got his playing with his technique and that burst
Speaker 1: that he has. But Bill, you mentioned the front seven
Speaker 1: and the linebackers as well. I mean, obviously Jerry is
Speaker 1: bullish on Jalen Smith being able to take another step forward.
Speaker 1: You spend a first round pick on Layton vander Esh
Speaker 1: to provide depth as well as probably play a lot
Speaker 1: of snaps in a rotation as well, so they feel
Speaker 1: better about their numbers and their potential there. This is
Speaker 1: where I think it's going to be interesting. And I
Speaker 1: want to get your guys opinion on this is the
Speaker 1: linebacker and how do you feel like just you can
Speaker 1: crystal ball it, you know, because we really don't know.
Speaker 1: But how do you think it is going to end up?
Speaker 1: For did we talk about yesterday that did you say
Speaker 1: something about Damien Wilson This could be his last year
Speaker 1: as a start. I just said that, yeah, because yeah,
Speaker 1: he's been starting for what two years now? He could
Speaker 1: be a backup. Yeah. See that's where I'm saying, I
Speaker 1: you know, I'm I'm gonna be really keeping a keen
Speaker 1: eye on where Layton vander Esh fits a and then
Speaker 1: what they do with Jalen Smith. They hinted about him,
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith being a pass rusher. So does that mean
Speaker 1: as a nickel hand on the ground kind of rush guy,
Speaker 1: take Crawford off the field or kick Crawford inside, you know,
Speaker 1: figure out what you want to do, put, you know,
Speaker 1: move guys around. Trying to figure this thing out. But
Speaker 1: I'm interested to see how they play these linebackers because
Speaker 1: it sounds like to me and the training staff all
Speaker 1: along has said twenty eighteen when they drafted Jalen Smith,
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen was going to be the year for Jalen
Speaker 1: Smith to be at his best. And it peers what
Speaker 1: we saw a little bit at the end of the
Speaker 1: season in the OTA's the mini camps. The movement, the
Speaker 1: elateral agility, all that stuff was coming around. So will
Speaker 1: they will they will he be the starting mic linebacker.
Speaker 1: I don't think they drafted Layton Vanderish or targeted Layton
Speaker 1: Vanderish to be drafted to sit on the bench. I
Speaker 1: think they're going to find a way to play him.
Speaker 1: And now, how do you get Jalen Smith on the
Speaker 1: field along with Sean And don't discount the fact that
Speaker 1: when they play a three man front, which they like
Speaker 1: to do, sure that when he talks about Jalen Smith
Speaker 1: being a pass rusher, that he does it as a
Speaker 1: blitzing pass rusher from their three two six alignments. Right.
Speaker 1: I thought that during the season last year because when
Speaker 1: he was having difficulties in coverage and stuff and lateral
Speaker 1: movement and that sort of thing. But let him go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought there were time, But it's so difficult during
Speaker 1: the middle of the season in order to implement that, right,
Speaker 1: you know. But if you are have that in your
Speaker 1: mind as you go into training camp and you kind
Speaker 1: of are training the player along those lines, then you
Speaker 1: can implement it maybe during the road. He did a
Speaker 1: tale of the tape with him this spring, you know,
Speaker 1: and we had a chance and it was one of
Speaker 1: the players where Melvin Gordon was running latterly to the
Speaker 1: sidelines for the Chargers and he beat the center's block,
Speaker 1: went all the way outside the tackle box and made
Speaker 1: the tackle for no loss. That's what Jalen Smith's now
Speaker 1: capable of doing, you know, And that you finally have
Speaker 1: seen the that ability to get to the football and wherever,
Speaker 1: wherever you have to play him to get to the football,
Speaker 1: get him there he could finish. And that's that's where
Speaker 1: that's why I'm the most excited. I trust me, I'm
Speaker 1: the guy that didn't want Jalen Smith here. He made
Speaker 1: me look really really bad, really really wrong, and I
Speaker 1: respect him for doing it. I didn't. I didn't. I
Speaker 1: couldn't evaluate how much it meant to him to get
Speaker 1: back on the field and be at play at a
Speaker 1: high level. But he has. So let's see how this.
Speaker 1: Let's see how with the linebackers. You know, we've been
Speaker 1: Bloom now the new coach there, Ben's been around these guys.
Speaker 1: But let's see how he gets these guys on the
Speaker 1: field and make him play. And let's go back to
Speaker 1: where you started. Maybe Jalen Smith ends up on the
Speaker 1: strong side and maybe they don't play him in that
Speaker 1: traditional strong side guy taken on at the line of scrimmage. Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe they use him as a move guy. I think
Speaker 1: get him after it. I'll see if physically he looks
Speaker 1: like a guy that could play a block in front
Speaker 1: of him. Yeah, physically he looks like extend, you know.
Speaker 1: Can you know he's got that upper body power to him.
Speaker 1: So I totally I get where you're going with that one.
Speaker 1: But I also I also feel like I would not
Speaker 1: feel badly about playing him at sam linebacker if they
Speaker 1: had an in line y tied in, because I know
Speaker 1: you can extend. He's talked about to me when we
Speaker 1: did the tail of tape. He's talking about the one arm,
Speaker 1: you know, running with one arm and then hitting and
Speaker 1: then getting to the play. But I think he's got
Speaker 1: the power and the strength to sit down on somebody
Speaker 1: if he had to play as that strong. It'll come
Speaker 1: down to is vander Esh ready to take over the rettle?
Speaker 1: There you go, that's gonna I think that'll be. That'll
Speaker 1: determine where everything. That's the other thing with vander Esh.
Speaker 1: Since he had the injury during the offseason, we weren't
Speaker 1: able to see during the mini camp where we're lining
Speaker 1: him up, So it'll be interesting out here to see.
Speaker 1: Uh So, do you think it will strictly be in
Speaker 1: the middle for him. I think initially it will be
Speaker 1: I think, you know, I think he's a bride enough guy.
Speaker 1: That's the way. I think they're bright enough guy that
Speaker 1: where if you had to move, he can move. But
Speaker 1: I think they want to just kind of throw him.
Speaker 1: I did that this sign that's might throw him in
Speaker 1: the deep end of the pool and watch him swim,
Speaker 1: you know. And that's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: throw There's a lot of these guys. I'm gonna throw
Speaker 1: him the deep into the pool. We can go through
Speaker 1: all the uh, we could go through all the guys.
Speaker 1: Michael gall Michael Gallup, I'm gonna throw you in the
Speaker 1: deep end of the pool, you know, Layton Vanders, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna throw you the deep into what they did with
Speaker 1: Travis Frederick, Honor Williams, throwing you deep into the pool,
Speaker 1: you know. With Nate Newton philosophy, if you got young
Speaker 1: guys and you think they're kind of good and play them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: don't let nothing wrong, guys, Jerry Jones philosophy. Nothing wrong.
Speaker 1: Actually be the first round, nothing wrong with that. Even
Speaker 1: if you're a third round draft pick like Gallup, there's opportunity.
Speaker 1: I mean, this wide receiver. There are no roles really
Speaker 1: said at the wide receiver position. There's a chance for
Speaker 1: him to step in and get significant snaps right away
Speaker 1: if he earns it. But tying up. I do like
Speaker 1: these linebackers. I do, and I mentioned Joe Thomas and
Speaker 1: Justin march Lillard. Those guys you can see them a lot.
Speaker 1: Bill will be calling these games. Mickey on the sideline wall,
Speaker 1: be there. I promise you will be talking about these
Speaker 1: guys a lot in second quarters, third quarters, fourth quarters
Speaker 1: of games as reliable backup type players can vander Esh.
Speaker 1: And then the other thing is vander Esh if he
Speaker 1: starts in the middle, who's behind Sean Lee? Because as
Speaker 1: we talked about who's behind Tyrn Smith and didn't win
Speaker 1: a game without Sean Lee on the field, yeah, for
Speaker 1: the whole game. And so who is I think it's
Speaker 1: I think it's march Lillard. That yeah, I think it's Rob.
Speaker 1: I think I think if if if. I don't think
Speaker 1: they want to move vander Esh right now. But he
Speaker 1: has the ability to play week side, no no doubt,
Speaker 1: because he can run. He can run now. The thing
Speaker 1: the thing that I saw it Boise on tape. The
Speaker 1: only problem I really saw with him is if he
Speaker 1: gets hooked up. For a big guy, he moves well.
Speaker 1: But if he gets hooked up, he's got to learn
Speaker 1: to get can't. You know we're talking about Jalen Smith.
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith. Need to teach him that one arm chuck
Speaker 1: and then keep moving to the ball because you can't
Speaker 1: get tied up in this league. That's one of the
Speaker 1: great things about Sean Lee. He doesn't get tied up
Speaker 1: when he's getting to the ball. He's always running from
Speaker 1: the ball. He's running to the ball, but away from blockers.
Speaker 1: And you've got to have that that kind of that
Speaker 1: instinct to do that all right on the One of
Speaker 1: the exciting things I think about this training camp is
Speaker 1: just there's there's competition all over the pis. You know,
Speaker 1: in the in the NFL these days, your teams are
Speaker 1: put together in the spring and you're basically practicing plays
Speaker 1: in training camp to speed right exactly right. But you
Speaker 1: look on this roster and the depth chart and there
Speaker 1: is competition at a whole bunch of position groups this year,
Speaker 1: which is yeah, which is which is so different than
Speaker 1: than what you see in the past, which makes it
Speaker 1: really intriguing. Well, I think it will be the most
Speaker 1: intriguing training camp we've seen in quite some time, just
Speaker 1: because of the competition at so many different positions. You know,
Speaker 1: we've been talking about the line, We've been talking about
Speaker 1: the linebackers. It's gonna take place in the secondary. It's
Speaker 1: gonna take place at wide receiver. Rob pointed that out.
Speaker 1: We's gonna take place at tight end, right, I mean
Speaker 1: backup quarterback back. Now are they just gonna say, okay,
Speaker 1: um Smith, you're the backup running back? Or Scarborough got
Speaker 1: something to say about it? As you know, there's other
Speaker 1: guys here that are going to fit into the equation.
Speaker 1: So the competition team wide, you know, can somebody make
Speaker 1: the team on special teams because they did lose some
Speaker 1: special teams guys, right right, So you know there there's
Speaker 1: a lot of opportunity. Yeah, right, there you go. That's right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So you're exactly right, And that's why I think we're
Speaker 1: gonna be paying a ten mentioned to these practices to
Speaker 1: see where everybody's fitting in and how they're playing once
Speaker 1: the pads come on the spot that I mean you
Speaker 1: mentioned right tight end. To me, it's every skill position. Guy,
Speaker 1: that's not Zeke Elliott. I mean it's who who is
Speaker 1: Dak going to rely on this season. I don't think
Speaker 1: we know that yet for sure. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: Cole Beasley is still around. They're gonna they need a
Speaker 1: Brian's and I have said they got to get him going.
Speaker 1: Terrence Williams health Willing is back. But other than that,
Speaker 1: I mean, you've got guys they've signed mentioned Gallup, Alan
Speaker 1: Hearns and then tight end. Look nine career catches between
Speaker 1: all these guys, and it's all by Jeff Swain, not
Speaker 1: to mention who's gonna help blocking in the running game
Speaker 1: for Zeke from the tight end position as well. To me,
Speaker 1: that's that's the most intriguing part for me, is that
Speaker 1: this is a totally revamped group around Dak Prescott. I
Speaker 1: think we all kind of have I shouldn't lump us
Speaker 1: all in, but maybe I can get you guys to
Speaker 1: come my way. If you look at wide receiver, are
Speaker 1: you're gonna carry six? Maybe carry seven? I don't think
Speaker 1: you can carry seven, but you maybe you carry Recury six.
Speaker 1: It depends on how you count the TI. I count
Speaker 1: as a wide receiver, Okay, so just a specialty play, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I count as a wide receiver, because I think that's
Speaker 1: what they really want to have many running Then you're
Speaker 1: keeping three running back, trying to keep three ning and
Speaker 1: keeping three quarterbacks. See that's where you don't have that
Speaker 1: satellite back. Yeah, that's weird. That's weird to me. He's
Speaker 1: versatile enough to do. Now. The thing about it is,
Speaker 1: if you think about it, if you look at the
Speaker 1: wide receivers and correct me if I'm wrong, Hearns, Beasley, Gallop, Okay,
Speaker 1: now pick me three more, you know, find me three
Speaker 1: more wide receivers out of that group's a wide receiver. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I mean you could I'm playing him as a
Speaker 1: wide receiver. But okay, it'd be a situation where you
Speaker 1: can go maybe either way with him. What if it
Speaker 1: doesn't work out this summer, what if things don't I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to Terrence Williams. Williams. See that's debatable, right, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean he's in competitions. See, that's that's that's what
Speaker 1: I'm kind of I'm kind of driving at this thing
Speaker 1: where you've got all these names of these receivers and
Speaker 1: you're trying to think, Okay, who were the next three guys?
Speaker 1: And the next three guys are going to be the
Speaker 1: guys that have the most consistent days, the guy that
Speaker 1: doesn't get hurt, the guy that's out there running hard,
Speaker 1: the guy it's making plays that These receivers can't be
Speaker 1: up and down, they really can't. They've got to be
Speaker 1: consistent throughout. But I'll challenge you in in my like
Speaker 1: I say, I've got Hearns, Beasley, Gallop, and after that,
Speaker 1: I'll challenge you to find three more because that's that's
Speaker 1: where I think we're all gonna be scratching our heads
Speaker 1: a little Bitte Thompson exactly. Quinn one of the first
Speaker 1: names and yeah, that out of his mouth when I
Speaker 1: think Mickey interviewed him in the off season, was Noah
Speaker 1: Brown on special team? Okay, will Noah Brown be consistent enough? See,
Speaker 1: that's that's where this all this all plays out though,
Speaker 1: because we've seen we've seen receipt we've seen players here
Speaker 1: make the team but not play special teams. Now, maybe
Speaker 1: that maybe that boats well for both Scarborough if you
Speaker 1: think about it, because if you look, Alfred Morris didn't
Speaker 1: play teams last year, right, So it's it's there's so
Speaker 1: many little intriguing things that saying. The hard part is
Speaker 1: that because these receiving corps has so many new people
Speaker 1: right now, and you get the preseason games, how much
Speaker 1: you're gonna play Dak, But you almost have to play
Speaker 1: them so they can get everybody on the same page together.
Speaker 1: And you got so many different guys to play. How
Speaker 1: many opportunities are some of the guys that we said
Speaker 1: at the end of that list to get to play
Speaker 1: with Dak to make the team. But I don't think
Speaker 1: you play Dak a whole lot more in preseason, do you?
Speaker 1: Because you I'm not playing him behind my second team
Speaker 1: off how much they gotta play this? This is I
Speaker 1: don't want to hear you get into the season now.
Speaker 1: I think it's I think you're on the same pains
Speaker 1: out I do too nicky. I think I think you
Speaker 1: make I think you you bring up an excellent point.
Speaker 1: I think where I learned about Dak and the receivers
Speaker 1: is kid my young corners. How am my young corners?
Speaker 1: If my young quarters, who I really like, are covering
Speaker 1: these guys down after down after down, then I'm happy
Speaker 1: for my young corners. But I'm also like a little
Speaker 1: bit worried at wide receiver. But this is where this
Speaker 1: is my laboratory. My laboratory is not against against the Bengals,
Speaker 1: the Cardinals and the Texans, and that my laboratory is
Speaker 1: going to be right out here. I'm gonna try and
Speaker 1: figure it out because if my young corners are covering
Speaker 1: guys and my guys aren't getting open and Dack's having trouble,
Speaker 1: then then this thing is gonna have some problems. That's
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Speaker 1: One of the practices what was the Blue White scrimmage. Now, okay,
Speaker 1: all right, but it's a practice, but it was basically
Speaker 1: will be this format we did it last year. This
Speaker 1: a lot of format and uh talking about the team
Speaker 1: and then be opportunity for you to actually see what's
Speaker 1: going on during practice as well. All Right, the player
Speaker 1: of this team can at least afford to lose key.
Speaker 1: You're right on it. Well, like he's gotta look, you
Speaker 1: gotta leave through it exactly. Okay, all right, let's go
Speaker 1: to the cover. There's a reason why he's on the
Speaker 1: cover of the media. Guy number four is on the
Speaker 1: cover of the media. And if you want to have
Speaker 1: a tie, then I can page through here and find
Speaker 1: Ezekiel Elliott. You can't have a tie, you have to
Speaker 1: have one. And if I have a three way tie,
Speaker 1: then it's Sean Lee and four away tie Tyrant Smith. Yeah. Now,
Speaker 1: if you don't like anybody, yeah, you lose your credential.
Speaker 1: And at times last season they lost three of the
Speaker 1: four Yes, yeah, yeah, I had it affected number four,
Speaker 1: especially with with Zeke out. Yeah, I you know what
Speaker 1: I like. I said, nobody would want to play without
Speaker 1: your quarterback, but nobody wants to play the quarterback on defense.
Speaker 1: You know, that's one of the reasons Mickey and I
Speaker 1: had this discussion why you would maybe go get Earl Thomas.
Speaker 1: That was the discussion we had yesterday. That was good.
Speaker 1: I like that, maybe just something to solidify and hold
Speaker 1: this defense together when Sean Lee's out, because when he's out,
Speaker 1: it is a different defense. It doesn't it doesn't have
Speaker 1: the playmaking ability. Now, maybe these young kids will step
Speaker 1: up and prove me wrong. Uh, you know, a Woozier Woods,
Speaker 1: Layton Van der Esh. You know, maybe one of these
Speaker 1: kids will step up and make plays to compensate for that.
Speaker 1: But I'll tell you what, this team has a hard
Speaker 1: time playing without Sean Lee, especially in effects really how
Speaker 1: they play on offense, I think, and maybe what you
Speaker 1: should ask is, you know I used to do my
Speaker 1: column before training camp and ask who was the most
Speaker 1: indispensable player on the team going into training camp, And
Speaker 1: I eliminated the quarterback because it was always going to
Speaker 1: be Tom Romo. So now who's the next guy that
Speaker 1: you can't do without? And and to me, this became
Speaker 1: very clear what we just talked about those four guys.
Speaker 1: So I changed the theory and I said Okay, who
Speaker 1: has to become relevant? Like who has to step up
Speaker 1: and become somebody. Last year, my choice was DeMarcus Lawrence
Speaker 1: right I hit. This year my choice was Chittabey Owoozy eight. Yeah.
Speaker 1: They need him to become Everson Walls in twenty four
Speaker 1: number twenty four because they need somebody to establish in
Speaker 1: that secondary that they can rely on to say, Okay,
Speaker 1: you got Julio Jones, go cover yea and yeah, stay healthy,
Speaker 1: be productive. He's he's got all the traits to be
Speaker 1: a physical shutdowns become kind of a cliche term, but
Speaker 1: a guy who can really make plays on the outside
Speaker 1: of corner. To answer your question, I'm going with Zeke.
Speaker 1: I think it's Zeke because everything offensively. That was my question,
Speaker 1: not Mickey's question. Yeah. Yeah, more so than Dak. More
Speaker 1: so than Dak. I mean, so it's it's to me,
Speaker 1: it's apples and orange. They're both very important. They're both
Speaker 1: the leaders of this football team now in my opinion,
Speaker 1: along with Sean Lee and Tyrn. But he everything is
Speaker 1: built around what he does up front for them. It
Speaker 1: helps the quarterback, it helps the defense. That's why they
Speaker 1: drafted them, and that's why they got thirteen. He is
Speaker 1: the main reason to me why they got thirteen wins
Speaker 1: two years ago and why they were in position to
Speaker 1: make the playoffs before he got suspended last year. Now
Speaker 1: the other guys get the other guys getting hurt certainly
Speaker 1: didn't help. But I do think they've done some things
Speaker 1: depthwise to help upfront. If Tyran were to miss time right, um,
Speaker 1: and you don't. Of course you need Dak on the field,
Speaker 1: but I think having Zeke gives them an edge. It
Speaker 1: gives them, It gives them a physical mentality. I think
Speaker 1: guys just respond to him running over people. Could they
Speaker 1: win games with Zeke on the field and Cooper Rush
Speaker 1: is the starting quarterback? I don't know that, but I
Speaker 1: think when you have him, a strong running game and
Speaker 1: a a badass offensive line, I think it gives you
Speaker 1: a chance. I really believe that that's not minimizing Dak.
Speaker 1: I think Da Dak is extremely important to what they
Speaker 1: But that's the key thing because the Dak's not there. Boy,
Speaker 1: what you win games? Three years ago? We wondered that
Speaker 1: exact question, didn't we, Right when we came out of here.
Speaker 1: Can this team win without without Tony Romo and having
Speaker 1: a running game. I mean, that's that's really where we
Speaker 1: were at, and they did. They did, and the Eagles
Speaker 1: were able to win without Carson winning. I think so
Speaker 1: maybe Rob's right though, this is where I and he is,
Speaker 1: he is right. I mean, I don't know that there's
Speaker 1: really not a wrong, no, but I I believe. I
Speaker 1: believe in Sean I believe in what Sean Lee brings
Speaker 1: to this team defensively. But when you when you, I
Speaker 1: went back and watched because I keep bringing up the
Speaker 1: Kansas City game because I felt like that was the
Speaker 1: best win they had. That's where they looked the best
Speaker 1: moving the football. They played solid defense, but they gave
Speaker 1: up the big play at the end, you know, at
Speaker 1: the end of the half, which is you know they
Speaker 1: got they survived that, but they created turnovers. I look
Speaker 1: at how much Ezekiel Eliot affected that game when it
Speaker 1: came to the play action, when it came to the boots,
Speaker 1: the waggles, to getting the ball to the outside. You know,
Speaker 1: it just was a big It was a big reason
Speaker 1: why they won that game. Because his and Mickey always
Speaker 1: talks about it too. Is he makes such a difference
Speaker 1: in the game. But like you said, it's offensively and defensively.
Speaker 1: The way he's able to control the game with his
Speaker 1: physical running style helps both sides of the football. And
Speaker 1: if you don't have Zeke, I mean Rod Smith showed
Speaker 1: some really good signs in the season and last year.
Speaker 1: You know one thing, and I mentioned that, I think
Speaker 1: on the other show that we did around the Mini
Speaker 1: camp Bo Scarborough. Phil Savage who Senior Bowl, Yeah, former
Speaker 1: GM in the NFL, M he did Alabama. He's no
Speaker 1: longer the analyst, but he's been the analyst for the
Speaker 1: last throughout their National championship run, a heck of a run.
Speaker 1: He I heard him on Sirius NFL Radio talking about
Speaker 1: Bo Scarborough saying that there's no doubt in his mind
Speaker 1: that he's a capable of one hundred yard games in
Speaker 1: the NFL. Yeah, he's that kind of kind of back
Speaker 1: and well for him to be available in the seventh round,
Speaker 1: there may be some other things. Will you will get
Speaker 1: a big because the health I think alive had to
Speaker 1: do with this health at Alabama where you will get
Speaker 1: maybe the best view of both Scarborough. It will be
Speaker 1: in the second half when you're calling these preseason games
Speaker 1: and it's not the best offensive line block and maybe
Speaker 1: it's not the best defense, but he is just rumbling
Speaker 1: through and it's down after down after down, just physically
Speaker 1: carrying the football. I think that's a real, really good sign.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's a sign of like, Okay,
Speaker 1: maybe you'll see him second. Then you'll see him a
Speaker 1: little bit earlier in some games, and I think they
Speaker 1: see him in the second quarter. Yeah, that's ub saying
Speaker 1: though I want to see I want to see him though.
Speaker 1: Get it really off to a good start, and then
Speaker 1: and then build on that, because I think Phil is
Speaker 1: absolutely right about scar I was really there were a
Speaker 1: couple of guys. There was a kid, Watley from from
Speaker 1: Iowa and we were doing the draft show that I
Speaker 1: really liked. I really thought he was more of a
Speaker 1: Matt Forte type of a back if you remember Matt
Speaker 1: Forte from the Bears when catch, run, do all that
Speaker 1: kind of thing. I think I was kind of like thinking, Okay,
Speaker 1: they're gonna need a back, but I didn't think it
Speaker 1: was gonna be both Scarborough. But if you think about
Speaker 1: what this team wants to do running the football, both
Speaker 1: Scarborough is a great fit. And then how they want
Speaker 1: to play, and that's what I like about him too,
Speaker 1: is the brief time we've talked to him so far
Speaker 1: as he knows what he is, he's downhill, hit you
Speaker 1: in the mouth. I mean, he's you know, maybe Brandon
Speaker 1: jacobszip comparison. Not that he's gonna have that type of career,
Speaker 1: but that type of running back. Yeah, you know style
Speaker 1: North South, run right at your smith. They'll go out
Speaker 1: there first and get a few carries and then you're
Speaker 1: gonna see the Bow Scarborough show and see the other
Speaker 1: thing I like about getting more than five carries in
Speaker 1: the third preseason. The other thing I like about those
Speaker 1: staple of running backs is they were recruited by Oh
Speaker 1: they and they went to Ohio State, Ohio State and Alabama.
Speaker 1: Yeah about Texas, A and N with Trey Williams. I
Speaker 1: would say this though, I would say this about Trey Williams.
Speaker 1: I do not no, no, I I think that if
Speaker 1: you asked me, kind of a sneaky surprise player. And
Speaker 1: everybody wants to talk about, oh, well they brought back
Speaker 1: you know they when they when they brought back Darius
Speaker 1: Jackson and was like, oh Darius Jackson's back. There's Trey
Speaker 1: Williams has got a little intrigued to me when I
Speaker 1: watch him. I loved the way he's built. He's a
Speaker 1: square kind of like a rock built guy. He's got
Speaker 1: some wiggle to him. He's tough. I wouldn't discount him
Speaker 1: as a guy that if you want a sneaky guy
Speaker 1: to make a fifty three man roster, he could be
Speaker 1: one of those guys. He has that kind of ability.
Speaker 1: And are we too quick to discount the fact that
Speaker 1: they still want to have that Lance Dunbar satellite back.
Speaker 1: I think that guy. Yeah, if it's not or that
Speaker 1: they could have both, yeah, I think I think if
Speaker 1: they you know, they worked out they worked out Lance
Speaker 1: Dunbar before the draft, which we kind of thought as
Speaker 1: we're doing the draft show and stuff, We're thinking, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is gonna be there if they didn't draft a
Speaker 1: running back. Okay, here here's where Lance Dunbar comes back, Well,
Speaker 1: then they make the trade. If you go watch Tabon
Speaker 1: Austin play, that's what That's what Sean McVay did. They
Speaker 1: put him in the backfield, they tossed it to him,
Speaker 1: they handed it to him, they jet sweeped him, They
Speaker 1: treated him like a running back. Is really what they did.
Speaker 1: Threw him a screen or two. So, uh, it's on
Speaker 1: Jerry's Jerry Jones told Scott Lenahan. He says, hey, this
Speaker 1: is on you. Now you need to figure something out
Speaker 1: for Tavon. Austin says, oh, I will, So we'll see
Speaker 1: if he does. And Trey Williams I think helps you
Speaker 1: also on special teams. And he looks like a willing
Speaker 1: yeah coverage guy. Yeah, this not just a he's a
Speaker 1: collision guy. I could see. I could see him kind
Speaker 1: of becoming again. Bill, you'll be in a broadcast. I
Speaker 1: promise you you'll start talking about well, Trey waves, this
Speaker 1: is what he can do. We've talked about him on
Speaker 1: our shows. And you know, I think keep an eye
Speaker 1: on trailer. You got Trey Bow and Darius Jackson for
Speaker 1: one spot probably basically yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly interesting exactly
Speaker 1: or maybe not, maybe not? Maybe keep eight nine receivers,
Speaker 1: you know, and four running backs. Yeah. With the new
Speaker 1: kickoff rules in the league, do you think that played
Speaker 1: a role at all in their happiness over getting Tavon
Speaker 1: Austin That he that that he could have an effect
Speaker 1: on kickoff returns. You know, when I asked him that,
Speaker 1: he said, you know, I was, I'm a punt returner, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they didn't use him, and he said, but I got
Speaker 1: a feeling you're gonna see me returning kicks or leasing
Speaker 1: training camp and and I was aware of that as
Speaker 1: far as the punt and he looks he's more of
Speaker 1: a punt return type. But right, it's gonna be interesting
Speaker 1: around the league now with the kickoff returns are gonna
Speaker 1: be I think gonna be one of the stories. I
Speaker 1: think it's gonna be a lot of collisions. I mean,
Speaker 1: we're Mickey and I went to the officials. We went
Speaker 1: to the officials a seminar, you know, and over at
Speaker 1: in Frisco. And I don't know if I felt any
Speaker 1: better about the explanations they were trying to give us.
Speaker 1: You could have an adverse effect because you're you're put
Speaker 1: creating situations where they're gonna try to pin guys down
Speaker 1: and here we go. But I think if you get
Speaker 1: a guy that has open field running ability, there's gonna
Speaker 1: be so much space. Tavon Austin's gonna be very I
Speaker 1: told you guys that, I told you, I said this yesterday.
Speaker 1: I told Garrett, I said, oh, so with these new rules,
Speaker 1: a guy like Tavon Austin, that'll be sort of like
Speaker 1: the end of the half at Kansas City. And he
Speaker 1: didn't catch my humor at all. He was still bitter
Speaker 1: about that play. But that's what's gonna happen. Right, You're
Speaker 1: gonna have all that space, and you're gonna have space
Speaker 1: not only wide, but space between the coverage guys and
Speaker 1: the return guy because they can't get a running start. Right,
Speaker 1: You're gonna be blocking fifteen yards from the line of scrimmage,
Speaker 1: so there's gonna be space to run. Yeah. So you
Speaker 1: got if you got a Tyreek Hill type player, yes,
Speaker 1: put him out there. Yeah. Or and and if if
Speaker 1: I got Tyreek Hill lining up in front of me
Speaker 1: when I'm kicking off, the ball is going through the upright,
Speaker 1: Yeah right, I'm not kicking to him. Well, I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what though. He's one of the most explosive players
Speaker 1: I've ever been West Virginia. I know, Bill, you saw him.
Speaker 1: He every time, every time, every time he touched the ball,
Speaker 1: you were just like you would hold your breath if
Speaker 1: you see him against Oklahoma, Oh yeah I did. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Dana Hogerson lined him up at running back. They made
Speaker 1: an adjustment against that. Mike Stoop's defense says that with
Speaker 1: bitterness incredible. Tavan All stood up at running back at
Speaker 1: halftime of that game and he ran for three hundred yards.
Speaker 1: And it's the OU defense in the second half of
Speaker 1: that game. In one half, he's still not Tony Jefferson
Speaker 1: was playing on and he was runs of poor seven anyway,
Speaker 1: and he's still able to make it in this league.
Speaker 1: But uh, that's what Tavon Austin. Absolutely. Yeah, Now you
Speaker 1: just got to hang out of the football, hang on
Speaker 1: his wrist he's sitting. Did Yeah, but the year before,
Speaker 1: the two years before that, he was pretty productive. Absolutely, So, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a numbers game there where you've got the the
Speaker 1: rookie coming in at wide receiver for and they reshuffled
Speaker 1: the deck wide receiver with the Rams last year bringing
Speaker 1: in the Buffalo guys, Woods and Watkins. There was no
Speaker 1: place for Tavon Austin to play on and they weren't
Speaker 1: going to give up carries for Girlie to give it
Speaker 1: to table. That's the main thing, Like, right, you're not
Speaker 1: taking the same situation. Yeah, all right, So our last
Speaker 1: three minutes here of talking cowboys who you're looking at
Speaker 1: on the field today. I'm gonna start with the wide
Speaker 1: receivers guy. I think, well, like I talked about her,
Speaker 1: I got my three that I think her some locks.
Speaker 1: But then, okay, who are the other three gonna be?
Speaker 1: I'm gonna see who gets off to the good start
Speaker 1: and if they can maintain that throughout though. Let's look
Speaker 1: for the rotation, see how they play him, and I'll
Speaker 1: look at this wide receiver corps. I mean until the
Speaker 1: pads come on the receivers, because you can at least
Speaker 1: see what the ride receivers are doing. Right when the
Speaker 1: pads come on, my guy's gonna be gehid Ward. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: which wide receiver in particular without the pads? Yes, Gallup,
Speaker 1: I'm the two. Michael Gallup is the guy that I'm
Speaker 1: focusing on. I want to watch him. That's a good one.
Speaker 1: I've always said Alan Hearns since he got signed, because
Speaker 1: I think he's got that Miles Austin type of opportunity
Speaker 1: in two thousand and nine where he can grab a
Speaker 1: brass ring and be not try to be Daz, but
Speaker 1: be a guy that it can be a go to
Speaker 1: for Dak. He better grab the ball ark coat. A coach,
Speaker 1: A coach you're gonna be watching. I'm always fascinated to watch.
Speaker 1: I mean not today, but throughout camp. I'll always go
Speaker 1: down if you if you're down or watching practice, go
Speaker 1: down and watch Marinelli and then run drills. Yeah, those
Speaker 1: defensive line you'll learn a lot about defensive line play
Speaker 1: with swat, swims, hands, technique, rip, grab, all that stuff.
Speaker 1: That's always a fun drill to watch those kids go
Speaker 1: through those bags and the way they do and and
Speaker 1: fit on each other and stuff. Because if they carry
Speaker 1: it from those drills into the into the practice and
Speaker 1: team period stuff, that's that's a good that's a good
Speaker 1: thing to watch. Right. We had a discussion yesterday without
Speaker 1: Winton and Dez, who brings the intensity of practice. I
Speaker 1: think Chris Richard For me perspective, I'm with Rob can
Speaker 1: do that. He was awfully entertaining and just OTAs and
Speaker 1: minis absolutely And I would imagine when we get out here,
Speaker 1: he's gonna up his intensity. He might he might have
Speaker 1: tape on his cleats black, spat it up, spat it
Speaker 1: up some black and here we go. He's been worked
Speaker 1: it out in the morning and the workout, Oh that
Speaker 1: makes a Mickey's been working out in the morning too, right,
Speaker 1: and he was taking one of my spots. Yeah, of
Speaker 1: course I'm off. They just like the leaf tread, like
Speaker 1: the leaf blower. Hey, what are you doing here? All right?
Speaker 1: We're counting down the seconds? Yeah, how about that? Talking
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