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Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This He's Talking Cowboys,

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Speaker 1: screening live from the Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the

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Speaker 1: Star in Frisco. Sat. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian brought

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Speaker 1: us Rob Phillips and Bill Jones. And it is time. Yes,

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Speaker 1: it is finally time for football players to hit the

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Speaker 1: football practice field here at the river Ridge Complex the

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Speaker 1: corner of Vineyard Inventura in Oxnard, California. Yeah. Yes, And

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Speaker 1: this is Talking Cowboys and I am Bill Jones with

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Speaker 1: Rob Phillips. Brian brought us in Mickey Spagnola And are

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Speaker 1: you ready for some football? Yeah? Ready, ready? Yeah. I

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Speaker 1: feel like though that uh, you know, you're kind of

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Speaker 1: been watching been watching FL Network. I don't know what

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Speaker 1: the other guys. But then you got those you got

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Speaker 1: those teams that are already getting ready, the Bears and

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Speaker 1: the and the Ravens, and they've been practicing now for

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Speaker 1: like a week, and you're kind of Hall of Fame

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Speaker 1: game exactly. Yeah, so you're sitting here kind of going, Okay,

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Speaker 1: it's uh, we're up next. But yeah, the fact that

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Speaker 1: and now you have your first practice. So yes, I'm

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Speaker 1: ready for we get to see a walkthrough, that's right.

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Speaker 1: We're we're actually what are we an hour and a

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Speaker 1: half away from the walkthrough here? Then we get to

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Speaker 1: watch a minicamp practice, that's right. So still a couple

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Speaker 1: of days before we see what qualifies is some rather

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Speaker 1: real football. Yeah, the pad's coming on, but it's something.

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Speaker 1: It's an extensions. It feels like forever since we did

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Speaker 1: We did one show together and then we were off

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Speaker 1: for a month, and now we get to see some football.

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Speaker 1: Pretty good. Yeah, I think the thing that the thing

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Speaker 1: that we can get from these walkthroughs, since we're guys

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Speaker 1: lining up, you know, and you get a little bit

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Speaker 1: of idea. They'll run through some plays that they'll run

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Speaker 1: in the afternoon, and so maybe you'll see a little

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Speaker 1: bit different some formations, sayah, where's Cole Beasley gonna line up?

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Speaker 1: Which Tavon Austin? You know, how they what are they

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Speaker 1: thinking about these rookie guys? Is is Michael Gallup getting

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Speaker 1: work with the ones? I think there's things you can

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Speaker 1: draw from the walkthrough practice, just because the coaches like

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Speaker 1: to go through it, and it's kind of a way

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Speaker 1: to say, Okay, this is what we're gonna do this afternoon. Boys,

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Speaker 1: get ready for it here. Don't make your mistakes. Make

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Speaker 1: them now, don't make them in the act. And the

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Speaker 1: other thing that that I get out of it doing

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Speaker 1: the preseason games. And by the way, I've already got

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Speaker 1: my look at you get that you're ready for TV.

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Speaker 1: I spent my downtime, the vacation time here. It's just posterboard. Okay,

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Speaker 1: all right, looks great. It's very post board. Yeah. So

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Speaker 1: I'm constructing the roster and everything, and I've got my

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Speaker 1: little notes that nobody can read, including me, but when

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Speaker 1: I write it down, it commits to memory. But to

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Speaker 1: your point, especially as we go along in training camp, right,

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Speaker 1: you watch the walkthrough, you watch where they're using people

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Speaker 1: even on special teams, right, and that sort of stuff,

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Speaker 1: and you can kind of see how the coaches are

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Speaker 1: thinking about some of the players. Yeah, and I'll be

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Speaker 1: even more important this year because they got so many

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Speaker 1: what they're thinking going into practice. Right, absolutely, right, It

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Speaker 1: jarred my memory of you guys like Bo Scarborough. You

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Speaker 1: idea what both Scarborough might be in the running back rotation,

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Speaker 1: but where is he going to fit on special teams?

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Speaker 1: You know, if if the guys are gonna make this team,

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Speaker 1: some special teams if he has to? You'll see where

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Speaker 1: the coaches initially think about him out here. And again

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Speaker 1: that's just one guy. And check out the wide receivers,

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Speaker 1: see our last Talking Cowboys back at the Star welcoming

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Speaker 1: Kevin Costner right here on this tennis court right here.

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Speaker 1: He was a camp visitor, and we interviewed Kevin Costner here.

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Speaker 1: He came out and through the football. Remember a Ventura native.

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Speaker 1: In Napa Valley. We digress by the way, though, I'm

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Speaker 1: talking about a trip down memory lane. I've been here

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Speaker 1: his first training camp was in nineteen eighty nine in

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Speaker 1: Thousand Oaks. A lot of people forget that that they

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Speaker 1: down in Memory Lane and right. But one of the

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Speaker 1: understand because we've had this excessive heat warning for weeks

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Speaker 1: I mean, Nicky, you know you just build. I can

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Speaker 1: our mikes picked it up. Which how much stuff do

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Speaker 1: and he said, this is like my training camp right now.

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Speaker 1: And think about it, he played okay last year and

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Speaker 1: As we get set a little over an hour from now,

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys walk through and then this afternoon their first

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Speaker 1: practice of this twenty eighteen training camp. As it will

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Speaker 1: be four o'clock Oxnard time, they can actually get on

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Speaker 1: the field earlier than that, about to three to thirty

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Speaker 1: or so. Guys come out on the field, So if

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Speaker 1: you're coming out here to Oxnard, of course, that's all

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Speaker 1: Pacific time right there. I wish you could see Mickey

449
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Speaker 1: during the break though. We took care of the leaf

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Speaker 1: blower right there. Ain't gonna be anybody out here till

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Speaker 1: four o'clock. Is it not right? It was pretty good.

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Speaker 1: It just let people do their jobs. You know, we

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Speaker 1: can always lie together. Was yeah, it didn't listen to

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Speaker 1: that speech at Jason Garrett. That's what I was. That's

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Speaker 1: always together, totally over Mickey's head. Day. I was just

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Speaker 1: trying to do He's like, they're not out and there's

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Speaker 1: nobody out here until four o'clock this afternoon. You know

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Speaker 1: you can do that later. I'll be the five year old. Right,

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Speaker 1: that's right. You need a Cowboys schedule here it is

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Speaker 1: Star magazine. I picked up my copy of Star Magazine too. Okay,

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Speaker 1: you can go Dallas Cowboys dot com slash Star. You

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Speaker 1: and order a print version of it. Yeah, right, and

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Speaker 1: uh very nice. I'm just starting to leaf through it myself.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of leafblowers, all right, Jerry yesterday he made the

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Speaker 1: comment at given good health, he this could be uh,

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Speaker 1: the one of the best defensive front sevens they've had here.

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Speaker 1: That's a mouthful, is but given the health as we

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Speaker 1: just ran down in the last segment, all the health

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Speaker 1: issues as far as the front four is concerned, well,

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Speaker 1: they've got similar issues at linebacker. I'll go this far.

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Speaker 1: With the defensive line. I think I think it's got

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Speaker 1: a chance on paper to be the best defensive line

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Speaker 1: since Rod Marinelli has been here in the last four

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Speaker 1: or five years. From a number standpoint, from guys that

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Speaker 1: can get on the edge and rush the passer. And

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Speaker 1: obviously there's some question marks. You know, well, David Irving

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Speaker 1: may play inside if he's active and healthy to go,

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Speaker 1: but you know, Randy Gregory has competition here. I'm I

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Speaker 1: disagree with you a little bit, Brian, because I think

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Speaker 1: as much as they've invested in him, I think if

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Speaker 1: he can show them enough potential in the long game,

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Speaker 1: sure they want to hang onto him, but he has competition.

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Speaker 1: Dorance Armstrong is another big twelve guy build. It has

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Speaker 1: a chance to crack this rotation get in basketball, Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: left tackles exactly. Tony Eely's a guy they like he's been,

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Speaker 1: you know, coming off surgery though, But there there are

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Speaker 1: guys there that can help. And that also includes Taco

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Speaker 1: taking another step too. Yeah. I don't you know, I

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Speaker 1: totally understand what you're saying about the the Gregory. I

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Speaker 1: just feel like, though, if it's gonna be a competition. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and if if if it's a shame on them though,

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Speaker 1: if they keep Randy Gregory and he does and Randy

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Speaker 1: Gregory doesn't play well enough, if they keep him because

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Speaker 1: of the reason they've invested so much in him or

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Speaker 1: whatever got to it. But yeah, because and then put

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Speaker 1: somebody on the street that actually Randy Gregory and I

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Speaker 1: and people on Twitter got ammined about this yesterday. I'm

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Speaker 1: not against Randy Gregory. I think Randy Gregor, I said

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Speaker 1: this yesterday, is capable of playing these preseason games in

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Speaker 1: the second half against seconds and third tackles and getting sacks.

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Speaker 1: He's very capable of doing that. And if that's the case,

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Speaker 1: then Randy Gregory will make this football team. I'm not

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Speaker 1: against Randy Gregory. I just think that for us to all,

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Speaker 1: for me or other people to say that Randy Gregory

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Speaker 1: is going to get this job just because they've waited

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Speaker 1: eighteen months to get him, I think is the wrong idea.

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Speaker 1: If Cony Eely plays better, if Dorn's Armstrong plays better,

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Speaker 1: and they don't get a roster spot because of that,

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Speaker 1: then shame on this front office for not putting together

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Speaker 1: the best fifty three man roster and just saying, Okay,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna keep this guy around because potentially, but Randy

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Speaker 1: Gregory is more than talented enough to make this football team.

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Speaker 1: He could beat Cony Eally out, he could beat Armstrong out.

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Speaker 1: He could beat anybody out that plays at that right

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Speaker 1: defensive end if he's got his head on right and

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Speaker 1: he's got his playing with his technique and that burst

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Speaker 1: that he has. But Bill, you mentioned the front seven

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Speaker 1: and the linebackers as well. I mean, obviously Jerry is

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Speaker 1: bullish on Jalen Smith being able to take another step forward.

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Speaker 1: You spend a first round pick on Layton vander Esh

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Speaker 1: to provide depth as well as probably play a lot

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Speaker 1: of snaps in a rotation as well, so they feel

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Speaker 1: better about their numbers and their potential there. This is

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Speaker 1: where I think it's going to be interesting. And I

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Speaker 1: want to get your guys opinion on this is the

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Speaker 1: linebacker and how do you feel like just you can

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Speaker 1: crystal ball it, you know, because we really don't know.

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Speaker 1: But how do you think it is going to end up?

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Speaker 1: For did we talk about yesterday that did you say

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Speaker 1: something about Damien Wilson This could be his last year

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Speaker 1: as a start. I just said that, yeah, because yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's been starting for what two years now? He could

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Speaker 1: be a backup. Yeah. See that's where I'm saying, I

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm I'm gonna be really keeping a keen

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Speaker 1: eye on where Layton vander Esh fits a and then

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Speaker 1: what they do with Jalen Smith. They hinted about him,

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Speaker 1: Jalen Smith being a pass rusher. So does that mean

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Speaker 1: as a nickel hand on the ground kind of rush guy,

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Speaker 1: take Crawford off the field or kick Crawford inside, you know,

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Speaker 1: figure out what you want to do, put, you know,

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Speaker 1: move guys around. Trying to figure this thing out. But

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Speaker 1: I'm interested to see how they play these linebackers because

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Speaker 1: it sounds like to me and the training staff all

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Speaker 1: along has said twenty eighteen when they drafted Jalen Smith,

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Speaker 1: twenty eighteen was going to be the year for Jalen

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Speaker 1: Smith to be at his best. And it peers what

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Speaker 1: we saw a little bit at the end of the

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Speaker 1: season in the OTA's the mini camps. The movement, the

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Speaker 1: elateral agility, all that stuff was coming around. So will

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Speaker 1: they will they will he be the starting mic linebacker.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they drafted Layton Vanderish or targeted Layton

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Speaker 1: Vanderish to be drafted to sit on the bench. I

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Speaker 1: think they're going to find a way to play him.

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Speaker 1: And now, how do you get Jalen Smith on the

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Speaker 1: field along with Sean And don't discount the fact that

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Speaker 1: when they play a three man front, which they like

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Speaker 1: to do, sure that when he talks about Jalen Smith

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Speaker 1: being a pass rusher, that he does it as a

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Speaker 1: blitzing pass rusher from their three two six alignments. Right.

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Speaker 1: I thought that during the season last year because when

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Speaker 1: he was having difficulties in coverage and stuff and lateral

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Speaker 1: movement and that sort of thing. But let him go. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I thought there were time, But it's so difficult during

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Speaker 1: the middle of the season in order to implement that, right,

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Speaker 1: you know. But if you are have that in your

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Speaker 1: mind as you go into training camp and you kind

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Speaker 1: of are training the player along those lines, then you

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Speaker 1: can implement it maybe during the road. He did a

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Speaker 1: tale of the tape with him this spring, you know,

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Speaker 1: and we had a chance and it was one of

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Speaker 1: the players where Melvin Gordon was running latterly to the

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Speaker 1: sidelines for the Chargers and he beat the center's block,

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Speaker 1: went all the way outside the tackle box and made

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Speaker 1: the tackle for no loss. That's what Jalen Smith's now

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Speaker 1: capable of doing, you know, And that you finally have

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Speaker 1: seen the that ability to get to the football and wherever,

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Speaker 1: wherever you have to play him to get to the football,

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Speaker 1: get him there he could finish. And that's that's where

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Speaker 1: that's why I'm the most excited. I trust me, I'm

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Speaker 1: the guy that didn't want Jalen Smith here. He made

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Speaker 1: me look really really bad, really really wrong, and I

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Speaker 1: respect him for doing it. I didn't. I didn't. I

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Speaker 1: couldn't evaluate how much it meant to him to get

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Speaker 1: back on the field and be at play at a

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Speaker 1: high level. But he has. So let's see how this.

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Speaker 1: Let's see how with the linebackers. You know, we've been

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Speaker 1: Bloom now the new coach there, Ben's been around these guys.

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Speaker 1: But let's see how he gets these guys on the

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Speaker 1: field and make him play. And let's go back to

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Speaker 1: where you started. Maybe Jalen Smith ends up on the

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Speaker 1: strong side and maybe they don't play him in that

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Speaker 1: traditional strong side guy taken on at the line of scrimmage. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: maybe they use him as a move guy. I think

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Speaker 1: get him after it. I'll see if physically he looks

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Speaker 1: like a guy that could play a block in front

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Speaker 1: of him. Yeah, physically he looks like extend, you know.

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Speaker 1: Can you know he's got that upper body power to him.

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Speaker 1: So I totally I get where you're going with that one.

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Speaker 1: But I also I also feel like I would not

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Speaker 1: feel badly about playing him at sam linebacker if they

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Speaker 1: had an in line y tied in, because I know

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Speaker 1: you can extend. He's talked about to me when we

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Speaker 1: did the tail of tape. He's talking about the one arm,

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Speaker 1: you know, running with one arm and then hitting and

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Speaker 1: then getting to the play. But I think he's got

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Speaker 1: the power and the strength to sit down on somebody

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Speaker 1: if he had to play as that strong. It'll come

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Speaker 1: down to is vander Esh ready to take over the rettle?

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Speaker 1: There you go, that's gonna I think that'll be. That'll

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Speaker 1: determine where everything. That's the other thing with vander Esh.

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Speaker 1: Since he had the injury during the offseason, we weren't

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Speaker 1: able to see during the mini camp where we're lining

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Speaker 1: him up, So it'll be interesting out here to see.

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Speaker 1: Uh So, do you think it will strictly be in

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Speaker 1: the middle for him. I think initially it will be

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Speaker 1: I think, you know, I think he's a bride enough guy.

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Speaker 1: That's the way. I think they're bright enough guy that

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Speaker 1: where if you had to move, he can move. But

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Speaker 1: I think they want to just kind of throw him.

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Speaker 1: I did that this sign that's might throw him in

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Speaker 1: the deep end of the pool and watch him swim,

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Speaker 1: you know. And that's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: throw There's a lot of these guys. I'm gonna throw

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Speaker 1: him the deep into the pool. We can go through

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Speaker 1: all the uh, we could go through all the guys.

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Speaker 1: Michael gall Michael Gallup, I'm gonna throw you in the

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Speaker 1: deep end of the pool, you know, Layton Vanders, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna throw you the deep into what they did with

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Speaker 1: Travis Frederick, Honor Williams, throwing you deep into the pool,

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Speaker 1: you know. With Nate Newton philosophy, if you got young

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Speaker 1: guys and you think they're kind of good and play them. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: don't let nothing wrong, guys, Jerry Jones philosophy. Nothing wrong.

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Speaker 1: Actually be the first round, nothing wrong with that. Even

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Speaker 1: if you're a third round draft pick like Gallup, there's opportunity.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this wide receiver. There are no roles really

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Speaker 1: said at the wide receiver position. There's a chance for

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Speaker 1: him to step in and get significant snaps right away

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Speaker 1: if he earns it. But tying up. I do like

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Speaker 1: these linebackers. I do, and I mentioned Joe Thomas and

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Speaker 1: Justin march Lillard. Those guys you can see them a lot.

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Speaker 1: Bill will be calling these games. Mickey on the sideline wall,

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Speaker 1: be there. I promise you will be talking about these

644
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Speaker 1: guys a lot in second quarters, third quarters, fourth quarters

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Speaker 1: of games as reliable backup type players can vander Esh.

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Speaker 1: And then the other thing is vander Esh if he

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Speaker 1: starts in the middle, who's behind Sean Lee? Because as

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Speaker 1: we talked about who's behind Tyrn Smith and didn't win

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Speaker 1: a game without Sean Lee on the field, yeah, for

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Speaker 1: the whole game. And so who is I think it's

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Speaker 1: I think it's march Lillard. That yeah, I think it's Rob.

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Speaker 1: I think I think if if if. I don't think

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Speaker 1: they want to move vander Esh right now. But he

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Speaker 1: has the ability to play week side, no no doubt,

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Speaker 1: because he can run. He can run now. The thing

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Speaker 1: the thing that I saw it Boise on tape. The

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Speaker 1: only problem I really saw with him is if he

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Speaker 1: gets hooked up. For a big guy, he moves well.

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Speaker 1: But if he gets hooked up, he's got to learn

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Speaker 1: to get can't. You know we're talking about Jalen Smith.

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Speaker 1: Jalen Smith. Need to teach him that one arm chuck

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Speaker 1: and then keep moving to the ball because you can't

663
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Speaker 1: get tied up in this league. That's one of the

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Speaker 1: great things about Sean Lee. He doesn't get tied up

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Speaker 1: when he's getting to the ball. He's always running from

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Speaker 1: the ball. He's running to the ball, but away from blockers.

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Speaker 1: And you've got to have that that kind of that

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Speaker 1: instinct to do that all right on the One of

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Speaker 1: the exciting things I think about this training camp is

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Speaker 1: just there's there's competition all over the pis. You know,

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Speaker 1: in the in the NFL these days, your teams are

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Speaker 1: put together in the spring and you're basically practicing plays

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Speaker 1: in training camp to speed right exactly right. But you

674
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Speaker 1: look on this roster and the depth chart and there

675
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Speaker 1: is competition at a whole bunch of position groups this year,

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Speaker 1: which is yeah, which is which is so different than

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Speaker 1: than what you see in the past, which makes it

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Speaker 1: really intriguing. Well, I think it will be the most

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Speaker 1: intriguing training camp we've seen in quite some time, just

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Speaker 1: because of the competition at so many different positions. You know,

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Speaker 1: we've been talking about the line, We've been talking about

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Speaker 1: the linebackers. It's gonna take place in the secondary. It's

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Speaker 1: gonna take place at wide receiver. Rob pointed that out.

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Speaker 1: We's gonna take place at tight end, right, I mean

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Speaker 1: backup quarterback back. Now are they just gonna say, okay,

686
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Speaker 1: um Smith, you're the backup running back? Or Scarborough got

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Speaker 1: something to say about it? As you know, there's other

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Speaker 1: guys here that are going to fit into the equation.

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Speaker 1: So the competition team wide, you know, can somebody make

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Speaker 1: the team on special teams because they did lose some

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Speaker 1: special teams guys, right right, So you know there there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of opportunity. Yeah, right, there you go. That's right. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So you're exactly right, And that's why I think we're

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Speaker 1: gonna be paying a ten mentioned to these practices to

695
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Speaker 1: see where everybody's fitting in and how they're playing once

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Speaker 1: the pads come on the spot that I mean you

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Speaker 1: mentioned right tight end. To me, it's every skill position. Guy,

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Speaker 1: that's not Zeke Elliott. I mean it's who who is

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Speaker 1: Dak going to rely on this season. I don't think

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Speaker 1: we know that yet for sure. I mean, I think

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Speaker 1: Cole Beasley is still around. They're gonna they need a

702
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Speaker 1: Brian's and I have said they got to get him going.

703
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: Terrence Williams health Willing is back. But other than that,

704
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Speaker 1: I mean, you've got guys they've signed mentioned Gallup, Alan

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Speaker 1: Hearns and then tight end. Look nine career catches between

706
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Speaker 1: all these guys, and it's all by Jeff Swain, not

707
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Speaker 1: to mention who's gonna help blocking in the running game

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Speaker 1: for Zeke from the tight end position as well. To me,

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Speaker 1: that's that's the most intriguing part for me, is that

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Speaker 1: this is a totally revamped group around Dak Prescott. I

711
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 1: think we all kind of have I shouldn't lump us

712
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Speaker 1: all in, but maybe I can get you guys to

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Speaker 1: come my way. If you look at wide receiver, are

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Speaker 1: you're gonna carry six? Maybe carry seven? I don't think

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Speaker 1: you can carry seven, but you maybe you carry Recury six.

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Speaker 1: It depends on how you count the TI. I count

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Speaker 1: as a wide receiver, Okay, so just a specialty play, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I count as a wide receiver, because I think that's

719
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Speaker 1: what they really want to have many running Then you're

720
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Speaker 1: keeping three running back, trying to keep three ning and

721
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Speaker 1: keeping three quarterbacks. See that's where you don't have that

722
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Speaker 1: satellite back. Yeah, that's weird. That's weird to me. He's

723
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Speaker 1: versatile enough to do. Now. The thing about it is,

724
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Speaker 1: if you think about it, if you look at the

725
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Speaker 1: wide receivers and correct me if I'm wrong, Hearns, Beasley, Gallop, Okay,

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Speaker 1: now pick me three more, you know, find me three

727
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Speaker 1: more wide receivers out of that group's a wide receiver. Yeah,

728
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Speaker 1: so I mean you could I'm playing him as a

729
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Speaker 1: wide receiver. But okay, it'd be a situation where you

730
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Speaker 1: can go maybe either way with him. What if it

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Speaker 1: doesn't work out this summer, what if things don't I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm just trying to Terrence Williams. Williams. See that's debatable, right, Yeah, yeah,

733
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Speaker 1: I mean he's in competitions. See, that's that's that's what

734
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Speaker 1: I'm kind of I'm kind of driving at this thing

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Speaker 1: where you've got all these names of these receivers and

736
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Speaker 1: you're trying to think, Okay, who were the next three guys?

737
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Speaker 1: And the next three guys are going to be the

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Speaker 1: guys that have the most consistent days, the guy that

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Speaker 1: doesn't get hurt, the guy that's out there running hard,

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Speaker 1: the guy it's making plays that These receivers can't be

741
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Speaker 1: up and down, they really can't. They've got to be

742
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Speaker 1: consistent throughout. But I'll challenge you in in my like

743
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Speaker 1: I say, I've got Hearns, Beasley, Gallop, and after that,

744
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Speaker 1: I'll challenge you to find three more because that's that's

745
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Speaker 1: where I think we're all gonna be scratching our heads

746
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Speaker 1: a little Bitte Thompson exactly. Quinn one of the first

747
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Speaker 1: names and yeah, that out of his mouth when I

748
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Speaker 1: think Mickey interviewed him in the off season, was Noah

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Speaker 1: Brown on special team? Okay, will Noah Brown be consistent enough? See,

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Speaker 1: that's that's where this all this all plays out though,

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Speaker 1: because we've seen we've seen receipt we've seen players here

752
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Speaker 1: make the team but not play special teams. Now, maybe

753
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 1: that maybe that boats well for both Scarborough if you

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Speaker 1: think about it, because if you look, Alfred Morris didn't

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Speaker 1: play teams last year, right, So it's it's there's so

756
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 1: many little intriguing things that saying. The hard part is

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Speaker 1: that because these receiving corps has so many new people

758
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Speaker 1: right now, and you get the preseason games, how much

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Speaker 1: you're gonna play Dak, But you almost have to play

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Speaker 1: them so they can get everybody on the same page together.

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Speaker 1: And you got so many different guys to play. How

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Speaker 1: many opportunities are some of the guys that we said

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Speaker 1: at the end of that list to get to play

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Speaker 1: with Dak to make the team. But I don't think

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Speaker 1: you play Dak a whole lot more in preseason, do you?

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Speaker 1: Because you I'm not playing him behind my second team

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Speaker 1: off how much they gotta play this? This is I

768
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Speaker 1: don't want to hear you get into the season now.

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Speaker 1: I think it's I think you're on the same pains

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Speaker 1: out I do too nicky. I think I think you

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Speaker 1: make I think you you bring up an excellent point.

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Speaker 1: I think where I learned about Dak and the receivers

773
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Speaker 1: is kid my young corners. How am my young corners?

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Speaker 1: If my young quarters, who I really like, are covering

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Speaker 1: these guys down after down after down, then I'm happy

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Speaker 1: for my young corners. But I'm also like a little

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Speaker 1: we do it. One of the best shows we've ever

849
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: had a bright early about five of them are morning. Yeah.

850
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: We got our three or four hours afterwards. Yeah. And

851
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 1: by the way, there is a Sunday a week from

852
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 1: Sunday right here on Dallas Cowboys dot com and I'll

853
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:16,760
Speaker 1: also be televised on t x A twenty one in Dallas. Fourth.

854
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 1: One of the practices what was the Blue White scrimmage. Now, okay,

855
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 1: all right, but it's a practice, but it was basically

856
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 1: will be this format we did it last year. This

857
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 1: a lot of format and uh talking about the team

858
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 1: and then be opportunity for you to actually see what's

859
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 1: going on during practice as well. All Right, the player

860
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 1: of this team can at least afford to lose key.

861
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 1: You're right on it. Well, like he's gotta look, you

862
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 1: gotta leave through it exactly. Okay, all right, let's go

863
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 1: to the cover. There's a reason why he's on the

864
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 1: cover of the media. Guy number four is on the

865
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 1: cover of the media. And if you want to have

866
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,320
Speaker 1: a tie, then I can page through here and find

867
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: Ezekiel Elliott. You can't have a tie, you have to

868
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 1: have one. And if I have a three way tie,

869
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 1: then it's Sean Lee and four away tie Tyrant Smith. Yeah. Now,

870
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 1: if you don't like anybody, yeah, you lose your credential.

871
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: And at times last season they lost three of the

872
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: four Yes, yeah, yeah, I had it affected number four,

873
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:19,320
Speaker 1: especially with with Zeke out. Yeah, I you know what

874
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: I like. I said, nobody would want to play without

875
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 1: your quarterback, but nobody wants to play the quarterback on defense.

876
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 1: You know, that's one of the reasons Mickey and I

877
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:32,320
Speaker 1: had this discussion why you would maybe go get Earl Thomas.

878
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 1: That was the discussion we had yesterday. That was good.

879
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 1: I like that, maybe just something to solidify and hold

880
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 1: this defense together when Sean Lee's out, because when he's out,

881
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,360
Speaker 1: it is a different defense. It doesn't it doesn't have

882
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:47,800
Speaker 1: the playmaking ability. Now, maybe these young kids will step

883
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 1: up and prove me wrong. Uh, you know, a Woozier Woods,

884
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 1: Layton Van der Esh. You know, maybe one of these

885
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 1: kids will step up and make plays to compensate for that.

886
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,439
Speaker 1: But I'll tell you what, this team has a hard

887
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 1: time playing without Sean Lee, especially in effects really how

888
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 1: they play on offense, I think, and maybe what you

889
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 1: should ask is, you know I used to do my

890
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: column before training camp and ask who was the most

891
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: indispensable player on the team going into training camp, And

892
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 1: I eliminated the quarterback because it was always going to

893
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 1: be Tom Romo. So now who's the next guy that

894
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:29,760
Speaker 1: you can't do without? And and to me, this became

895
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 1: very clear what we just talked about those four guys.

896
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: So I changed the theory and I said Okay, who

897
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 1: has to become relevant? Like who has to step up

898
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 1: and become somebody. Last year, my choice was DeMarcus Lawrence

899
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 1: right I hit. This year my choice was Chittabey Owoozy eight. Yeah.

900
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 1: They need him to become Everson Walls in twenty four

901
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 1: number twenty four because they need somebody to establish in

902
00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:00,320
Speaker 1: that secondary that they can rely on to say, Okay,

903
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 1: you got Julio Jones, go cover yea and yeah, stay healthy,

904
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 1: be productive. He's he's got all the traits to be

905
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 1: a physical shutdowns become kind of a cliche term, but

906
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:14,720
Speaker 1: a guy who can really make plays on the outside

907
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:16,839
Speaker 1: of corner. To answer your question, I'm going with Zeke.

908
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 1: I think it's Zeke because everything offensively. That was my question,

909
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:25,399
Speaker 1: not Mickey's question. Yeah. Yeah, more so than Dak. More

910
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 1: so than Dak. I mean, so it's it's to me,

911
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: it's apples and orange. They're both very important. They're both

912
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 1: the leaders of this football team now in my opinion,

913
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 1: along with Sean Lee and Tyrn. But he everything is

914
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,800
Speaker 1: built around what he does up front for them. It

915
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 1: helps the quarterback, it helps the defense. That's why they

916
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: drafted them, and that's why they got thirteen. He is

917
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:47,439
Speaker 1: the main reason to me why they got thirteen wins

918
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 1: two years ago and why they were in position to

919
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 1: make the playoffs before he got suspended last year. Now

920
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,320
Speaker 1: the other guys get the other guys getting hurt certainly

921
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 1: didn't help. But I do think they've done some things

922
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 1: depthwise to help upfront. If Tyran were to miss time right, um,

923
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: and you don't. Of course you need Dak on the field,

924
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 1: but I think having Zeke gives them an edge. It

925
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 1: gives them, It gives them a physical mentality. I think

926
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 1: guys just respond to him running over people. Could they

927
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 1: win games with Zeke on the field and Cooper Rush

928
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 1: is the starting quarterback? I don't know that, but I

929
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 1: think when you have him, a strong running game and

930
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: a a badass offensive line, I think it gives you

931
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: a chance. I really believe that that's not minimizing Dak.

932
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 1: I think Da Dak is extremely important to what they

933
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 1: But that's the key thing because the Dak's not there. Boy,

934
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 1: what you win games? Three years ago? We wondered that

935
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: exact question, didn't we, Right when we came out of here.

936
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 1: Can this team win without without Tony Romo and having

937
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 1: a running game. I mean, that's that's really where we

938
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: were at, and they did. They did, and the Eagles

939
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 1: were able to win without Carson winning. I think so

940
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:55,800
Speaker 1: maybe Rob's right though, this is where I and he is,

941
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 1: he is right. I mean, I don't know that there's

942
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 1: really not a wrong, no, but I I believe. I

943
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 1: believe in Sean I believe in what Sean Lee brings

944
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: to this team defensively. But when you when you, I

945
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: went back and watched because I keep bringing up the

946
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 1: Kansas City game because I felt like that was the

947
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 1: best win they had. That's where they looked the best

948
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,399
Speaker 1: moving the football. They played solid defense, but they gave

949
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 1: up the big play at the end, you know, at

950
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 1: the end of the half, which is you know they

951
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 1: got they survived that, but they created turnovers. I look

952
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 1: at how much Ezekiel Eliot affected that game when it

953
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 1: came to the play action, when it came to the boots,

954
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 1: the waggles, to getting the ball to the outside. You know,

955
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 1: it just was a big It was a big reason

956
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:38,240
Speaker 1: why they won that game. Because his and Mickey always

957
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:41,760
Speaker 1: talks about it too. Is he makes such a difference

958
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 1: in the game. But like you said, it's offensively and defensively.

959
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 1: The way he's able to control the game with his

960
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 1: physical running style helps both sides of the football. And

961
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:57,760
Speaker 1: if you don't have Zeke, I mean Rod Smith showed

962
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 1: some really good signs in the season and last year.

963
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 1: You know one thing, and I mentioned that, I think

964
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 1: on the other show that we did around the Mini

965
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: camp Bo Scarborough. Phil Savage who Senior Bowl, Yeah, former

966
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:15,320
Speaker 1: GM in the NFL, M he did Alabama. He's no

967
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 1: longer the analyst, but he's been the analyst for the

968
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 1: last throughout their National championship run, a heck of a run.

969
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,479
Speaker 1: He I heard him on Sirius NFL Radio talking about

970
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 1: Bo Scarborough saying that there's no doubt in his mind

971
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 1: that he's a capable of one hundred yard games in

972
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:31,720
Speaker 1: the NFL. Yeah, he's that kind of kind of back

973
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 1: and well for him to be available in the seventh round,

974
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:36,799
Speaker 1: there may be some other things. Will you will get

975
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 1: a big because the health I think alive had to

976
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 1: do with this health at Alabama where you will get

977
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 1: maybe the best view of both Scarborough. It will be

978
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 1: in the second half when you're calling these preseason games

979
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 1: and it's not the best offensive line block and maybe

980
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 1: it's not the best defense, but he is just rumbling

981
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 1: through and it's down after down after down, just physically

982
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:00,959
Speaker 1: carrying the football. I think that's a real, really good sign.

983
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:02,720
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's a sign of like, Okay,

984
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 1: maybe you'll see him second. Then you'll see him a

985
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 1: little bit earlier in some games, and I think they

986
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 1: see him in the second quarter. Yeah, that's ub saying

987
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:10,399
Speaker 1: though I want to see I want to see him though.

988
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:13,359
Speaker 1: Get it really off to a good start, and then

989
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 1: and then build on that, because I think Phil is

990
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 1: absolutely right about scar I was really there were a

991
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 1: couple of guys. There was a kid, Watley from from

992
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 1: Iowa and we were doing the draft show that I

993
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 1: really liked. I really thought he was more of a

994
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 1: Matt Forte type of a back if you remember Matt

995
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 1: Forte from the Bears when catch, run, do all that

996
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 1: kind of thing. I think I was kind of like thinking, Okay,

997
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 1: they're gonna need a back, but I didn't think it

998
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 1: was gonna be both Scarborough. But if you think about

999
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:43,319
Speaker 1: what this team wants to do running the football, both

1000
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 1: Scarborough is a great fit. And then how they want

1001
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 1: to play, and that's what I like about him too,

1002
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 1: is the brief time we've talked to him so far

1003
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 1: as he knows what he is, he's downhill, hit you

1004
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 1: in the mouth. I mean, he's you know, maybe Brandon

1005
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 1: jacobszip comparison. Not that he's gonna have that type of career,

1006
00:50:57,640 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 1: but that type of running back. Yeah, you know style

1007
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 1: North South, run right at your smith. They'll go out

1008
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:05,799
Speaker 1: there first and get a few carries and then you're

1009
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 1: gonna see the Bow Scarborough show and see the other

1010
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:11,320
Speaker 1: thing I like about getting more than five carries in

1011
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 1: the third preseason. The other thing I like about those

1012
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 1: staple of running backs is they were recruited by Oh

1013
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 1: they and they went to Ohio State, Ohio State and Alabama.

1014
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:22,800
Speaker 1: Yeah about Texas, A and N with Trey Williams. I

1015
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 1: would say this though, I would say this about Trey Williams.

1016
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 1: I do not no, no, I I think that if

1017
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 1: you asked me, kind of a sneaky surprise player. And

1018
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 1: everybody wants to talk about, oh, well they brought back

1019
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 1: you know they when they when they brought back Darius

1020
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 1: Jackson and was like, oh Darius Jackson's back. There's Trey

1021
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 1: Williams has got a little intrigued to me when I

1022
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 1: watch him. I loved the way he's built. He's a

1023
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 1: square kind of like a rock built guy. He's got

1024
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:53,879
Speaker 1: some wiggle to him. He's tough. I wouldn't discount him

1025
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:57,399
Speaker 1: as a guy that if you want a sneaky guy

1026
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 1: to make a fifty three man roster, he could be

1027
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 1: one of those guys. He has that kind of ability.

1028
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 1: And are we too quick to discount the fact that

1029
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 1: they still want to have that Lance Dunbar satellite back.

1030
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:12,800
Speaker 1: I think that guy. Yeah, if it's not or that

1031
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:15,319
Speaker 1: they could have both, yeah, I think I think if

1032
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 1: they you know, they worked out they worked out Lance

1033
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 1: Dunbar before the draft, which we kind of thought as

1034
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 1: we're doing the draft show and stuff, We're thinking, Okay,

1035
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 1: this is gonna be there if they didn't draft a

1036
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:28,799
Speaker 1: running back. Okay, here here's where Lance Dunbar comes back, Well,

1037
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:30,800
Speaker 1: then they make the trade. If you go watch Tabon

1038
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 1: Austin play, that's what That's what Sean McVay did. They

1039
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:36,319
Speaker 1: put him in the backfield, they tossed it to him,

1040
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 1: they handed it to him, they jet sweeped him, They

1041
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 1: treated him like a running back. Is really what they did.

1042
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 1: Threw him a screen or two. So, uh, it's on

1043
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 1: Jerry's Jerry Jones told Scott Lenahan. He says, hey, this

1044
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 1: is on you. Now you need to figure something out

1045
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 1: for Tavon. Austin says, oh, I will, So we'll see

1046
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 1: if he does. And Trey Williams I think helps you

1047
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 1: also on special teams. And he looks like a willing

1048
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 1: yeah coverage guy. Yeah, this not just a he's a

1049
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 1: collision guy. I could see. I could see him kind

1050
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 1: of becoming again. Bill, you'll be in a broadcast. I

1051
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 1: promise you you'll start talking about well, Trey waves, this

1052
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 1: is what he can do. We've talked about him on

1053
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 1: our shows. And you know, I think keep an eye

1054
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 1: on trailer. You got Trey Bow and Darius Jackson for

1055
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 1: one spot probably basically yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly interesting exactly

1056
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:24,280
Speaker 1: or maybe not, maybe not? Maybe keep eight nine receivers,

1057
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:27,319
Speaker 1: you know, and four running backs. Yeah. With the new

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00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:30,360
Speaker 1: kickoff rules in the league, do you think that played

1059
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 1: a role at all in their happiness over getting Tavon

1060
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 1: Austin That he that that he could have an effect

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00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 1: on kickoff returns. You know, when I asked him that,

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00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 1: he said, you know, I was, I'm a punt returner, right, Yeah,

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00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:48,239
Speaker 1: they didn't use him, and he said, but I got

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00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 1: a feeling you're gonna see me returning kicks or leasing

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00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 1: training camp and and I was aware of that as

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00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:55,800
Speaker 1: far as the punt and he looks he's more of

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00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:58,240
Speaker 1: a punt return type. But right, it's gonna be interesting

1068
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 1: around the league now with the kickoff returns are gonna

1069
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 1: be I think gonna be one of the stories. I

1070
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:08,360
Speaker 1: think it's gonna be a lot of collisions. I mean,

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00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 1: we're Mickey and I went to the officials. We went

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00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 1: to the officials a seminar, you know, and over at

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00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 1: in Frisco. And I don't know if I felt any

1074
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 1: better about the explanations they were trying to give us.

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00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 1: You could have an adverse effect because you're you're put

1076
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 1: creating situations where they're gonna try to pin guys down

1077
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:28,439
Speaker 1: and here we go. But I think if you get

1078
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:33,319
Speaker 1: a guy that has open field running ability, there's gonna

1079
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 1: be so much space. Tavon Austin's gonna be very I

1080
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 1: told you guys that, I told you, I said this yesterday.

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00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:43,320
Speaker 1: I told Garrett, I said, oh, so with these new rules,

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00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 1: a guy like Tavon Austin, that'll be sort of like

1083
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 1: the end of the half at Kansas City. And he

1084
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 1: didn't catch my humor at all. He was still bitter

1085
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 1: about that play. But that's what's gonna happen. Right, You're

1086
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:57,800
Speaker 1: gonna have all that space, and you're gonna have space

1087
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 1: not only wide, but space between the coverage guys and

1088
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 1: the return guy because they can't get a running start. Right,

1089
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:09,320
Speaker 1: You're gonna be blocking fifteen yards from the line of scrimmage,

1090
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 1: so there's gonna be space to run. Yeah. So you

1091
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:16,759
Speaker 1: got if you got a Tyreek Hill type player, yes,

1092
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 1: put him out there. Yeah. Or and and if if

1093
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 1: I got Tyreek Hill lining up in front of me

1094
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:25,760
Speaker 1: when I'm kicking off, the ball is going through the upright,

1095
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:28,920
Speaker 1: Yeah right, I'm not kicking to him. Well, I'll tell

1096
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 1: you what though. He's one of the most explosive players

1097
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 1: I've ever been West Virginia. I know, Bill, you saw him.

1098
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:37,319
Speaker 1: He every time, every time, every time he touched the ball,

1099
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 1: you were just like you would hold your breath if

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00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 1: you see him against Oklahoma, Oh yeah I did. Yeah,

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00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:46,239
Speaker 1: Dana Hogerson lined him up at running back. They made

1102
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:51,320
Speaker 1: an adjustment against that. Mike Stoop's defense says that with

1103
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 1: bitterness incredible. Tavan All stood up at running back at

1104
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:02,800
Speaker 1: halftime of that game and he ran for three hundred yards.

1105
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 1: And it's the OU defense in the second half of

1106
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 1: that game. In one half, he's still not Tony Jefferson

1107
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:16,800
Speaker 1: was playing on and he was runs of poor seven anyway,

1108
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 1: and he's still able to make it in this league.

1109
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:22,800
Speaker 1: But uh, that's what Tavon Austin. Absolutely. Yeah, Now you

1110
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 1: just got to hang out of the football, hang on

1111
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 1: his wrist he's sitting. Did Yeah, but the year before,

1112
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 1: the two years before that, he was pretty productive. Absolutely, So, Yeah,

1113
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 1: it's a numbers game there where you've got the the

1114
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 1: rookie coming in at wide receiver for and they reshuffled

1115
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 1: the deck wide receiver with the Rams last year bringing

1116
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:47,279
Speaker 1: in the Buffalo guys, Woods and Watkins. There was no

1117
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 1: place for Tavon Austin to play on and they weren't

1118
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 1: going to give up carries for Girlie to give it

1119
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 1: to table. That's the main thing, Like, right, you're not

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00:56:54,719 --> 00:57:00,839
Speaker 1: taking the same situation. Yeah, all right, So our last

1121
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:05,319
Speaker 1: three minutes here of talking cowboys who you're looking at

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00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:07,880
Speaker 1: on the field today. I'm gonna start with the wide

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00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 1: receivers guy. I think, well, like I talked about her,

1124
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 1: I got my three that I think her some locks.

1125
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 1: But then, okay, who are the other three gonna be?

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00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna see who gets off to the good start

1127
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:20,920
Speaker 1: and if they can maintain that throughout though. Let's look

1128
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 1: for the rotation, see how they play him, and I'll

1129
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 1: look at this wide receiver corps. I mean until the

1130
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:29,439
Speaker 1: pads come on the receivers, because you can at least

1131
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 1: see what the ride receivers are doing. Right when the

1132
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 1: pads come on, my guy's gonna be gehid Ward. Yeah, yeah,

1133
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 1: which wide receiver in particular without the pads? Yes, Gallup,

1134
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 1: I'm the two. Michael Gallup is the guy that I'm

1135
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 1: focusing on. I want to watch him. That's a good one.

1136
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:47,439
Speaker 1: I've always said Alan Hearns since he got signed, because

1137
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 1: I think he's got that Miles Austin type of opportunity

1138
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 1: in two thousand and nine where he can grab a

1139
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 1: brass ring and be not try to be Daz, but

1140
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 1: be a guy that it can be a go to

1141
00:57:56,640 --> 00:58:01,680
Speaker 1: for Dak. He better grab the ball ark coat. A coach,

1142
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:04,919
Speaker 1: A coach you're gonna be watching. I'm always fascinated to watch.

1143
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:07,440
Speaker 1: I mean not today, but throughout camp. I'll always go

1144
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 1: down if you if you're down or watching practice, go

1145
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 1: down and watch Marinelli and then run drills. Yeah, those

1146
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:14,880
Speaker 1: defensive line you'll learn a lot about defensive line play

1147
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 1: with swat, swims, hands, technique, rip, grab, all that stuff.

1148
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 1: That's always a fun drill to watch those kids go

1149
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 1: through those bags and the way they do and and

1150
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 1: fit on each other and stuff. Because if they carry

1151
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 1: it from those drills into the into the practice and

1152
00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 1: team period stuff, that's that's a good that's a good

1153
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 1: thing to watch. Right. We had a discussion yesterday without

1154
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 1: Winton and Dez, who brings the intensity of practice. I

1155
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 1: think Chris Richard For me perspective, I'm with Rob can

1156
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 1: do that. He was awfully entertaining and just OTAs and

1157
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 1: minis absolutely And I would imagine when we get out here,

1158
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 1: he's gonna up his intensity. He might he might have

1159
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 1: tape on his cleats black, spat it up, spat it

1160
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 1: up some black and here we go. He's been worked

1161
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 1: it out in the morning and the workout, Oh that

1162
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:01,920
Speaker 1: makes a Mickey's been working out in the morning too, right,

1163
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 1: and he was taking one of my spots. Yeah, of

1164
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:09,680
Speaker 1: course I'm off. They just like the leaf tread, like

1165
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 1: the leaf blower. Hey, what are you doing here? All right?

1166
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 1: We're counting down the seconds? Yeah, how about that? Talking

1167
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 1: cowboys getting us more in tune? Right current, This is

1168
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 1: very nice here. We'll stick around, Well, maybe we won't

1169
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:32,320
Speaker 1: stick but maybe we'll be here tomorrow. Ask we will tomorrow,

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Speaker 1: same bad time, same bad channel. Stay tuned for the break.

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