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Speaker 1: Welcome to this country life. I'm your host, Brent Reeves.

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Speaker 1: From coon hunting to trot lining and just general country living.

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Speaker 1: I want you to stay a while as I share

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Speaker 1: my experiences and life lessons. This country life is presented

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Speaker 1: by Case Knives on Meat Eaters Podcast Network, bringing you

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Speaker 1: the best outdoor podcast the airways had off. All right, friends,

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Speaker 1: grab a chair or drop that tailgate. I've got some

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Speaker 1: stories to share. Trapping. My trapping started at a young

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Speaker 1: age when I ran a trap line on our farm

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Speaker 1: where I grew up. Now, those experiences and lessons have

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Speaker 1: served me well in just about every aspect of my

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Speaker 1: outdoor career. I'm going to tell you all about them.

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Speaker 1: The first, I'm going to tell you a story. My

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Speaker 1: uncle Dobb, whose actual name was Troy Alvin Matthew Atkins,

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Speaker 1: was everyone's favorite uncle and no blood relation to any

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Speaker 1: of us. He was a hunter, a fishermen, and above

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Speaker 1: His notoriety as a trapper wasn't solely of our own

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Speaker 1: imagination either, because there were a lot of trappers back then.

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Speaker 1: But Uncle Dobb specialized in mink trapping, and a successful

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Speaker 1: mink trapper was revered even amongst trappers as having the

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Speaker 1: extra skill set to consistently add the prized fur bearer

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Speaker 1: to their daily take. Now mencher difficult to catch and

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Speaker 1: have been known to travel as much as ten miles

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Speaker 1: in a night. They have excellent eyesight, hearing, and depending

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Speaker 1: on who you ask, either a keen or a poor

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Speaker 1: sense of smell. I found arguments for and against it online,

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Speaker 1: but who really knows. I tend to lean toward the former.

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Speaker 1: With mink ben the predators that they are, but no

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Speaker 1: one actually knows except the mink, and the only thing

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Speaker 1: they absolutely fail at is talking. Having observed mink in

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Speaker 1: the wild myself, I find them beyond curious and busy,

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Speaker 1: very busy, like full on, hyperactive busy. They never slowed down,

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Speaker 1: and their constant search is for something to eat, and

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Speaker 1: they're good at gathering victials. I was standing knee deep

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Speaker 1: zebramage in the vicinity of some feeding rainbow and brown

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Speaker 1: trout that I could see in the crystal clear water.

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Speaker 1: all about wrecking my rhythm. I started my casting sequence again,

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Speaker 1: and eventually all things merged into one, but instead of

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Speaker 1: while I stood there, staring at the second fly and

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Speaker 1: of it. The mink are killing machines, and it's been

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Speaker 1: said that they'll raise a chicken coop and just murder

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Speaker 1: They're just biting next, drinking blood and hitting the trail.

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Speaker 1: Uncle Dob got after one particularly daring specimen that he'd

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Speaker 1: That mink was going around his sets, digging them up

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Speaker 1: I seriously doubt he changed much of anything. He was

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Speaker 1: to which Uncle Dob replied, well, last night I caught

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Speaker 1: a good trapper, and my brother Tim followed in his footsteps.

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Speaker 1: He learned a lot from trapping with him when I

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Speaker 1: He put out ten traps one day, and when he

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Speaker 1: Some things are just meant to be some things aren't.

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Speaker 1: That Tim broke in his record that day, and had

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Speaker 1: a coincidence, and that's just how that happened. Trapping has

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Speaker 1: been a great pastime of mine and being inspired by

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Speaker 1: coons were the main target, and back then the fur

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Speaker 1: prices were good. Fela could make a good amount of

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Speaker 1: the winners didn't get as cold and the quality of

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Speaker 1: a larger source. It goes along with what's known as

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Speaker 1: Bergmann's rule. If you're not familiar with that, allow me

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Speaker 1: to pontificate. Bergmann's rule is an eco geographical rule that

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Speaker 1: states that within it, a broadly distributed taxonomic clade. Populations

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Speaker 1: warmer regions. Now, the rule derives from the relationship between

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Speaker 1: will increase in colder environments. Now in non nerd Lingo,

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Speaker 1: be to withstand the winners up there, the critters anyway. Now,

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Speaker 1: size of the animals get bigger and the fur get thicker,

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Speaker 1: as simple as that. Now, I know people who hunt

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Speaker 1: of seemingly huge coons and beers that we would count

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Speaker 1: world through their social media. Social media is a descriptor

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Speaker 1: like Jombo shrimp. It seems to contradict itself. I can

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Speaker 1: only imagine how much grief they get from the antis

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Speaker 1: I've said it before. Folks that verbally attack others the

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Speaker 1: to drive over and have a meaningful exchange of ideas. Anyway.

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Speaker 1: They have a business selling fur items that they produce

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Speaker 1: you'll see on their social media. It's one advanced level

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Speaker 1: class of instruction after another on how they prepare their

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Speaker 1: and Riley put a great and true face on what

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Speaker 1: trapping is and the benefits of the practice. It's absolutely

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Speaker 1: one of the best and closely regulated renewable resources on

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Speaker 1: the planet that builds a stronger environment for all the

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Speaker 1: nature when the populations you're held in check beaver's for instance,

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Speaker 1: everyone knows that when a beaver sees a free flowing creek,

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Speaker 1: his first thought is i' muna stop this nonsense immediately.

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Speaker 1: In doing so, he creates a wetland habitat that benefits

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Speaker 1: dozens of species of insects and wildlife, all of which

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Speaker 1: do more harm than good. When the number are held

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