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Speaker 1: Hi, get everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading

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Speaker 1: The Bengals Booth Podcast the Glory Days addition, as I

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Speaker 1: visited with the two newest members of the Bengals Ring

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Speaker 1: of Honor, wide receiver Isaac Curtis and offensive lineman Willie Anderson.

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Speaker 1: the greatest thing since Cramponds. I'm back to work after

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Speaker 1: a family vacation that included a five day trip to Iceland.

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Speaker 1: It was awesome, with the notable except of tasting fermented shark.

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Speaker 1: Let me put it this way, the worst thing you

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Speaker 1: One of our activities in Iceland was hiking a glacier,

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Speaker 1: which required us to wear crampons. You can probably picture them.

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Speaker 1: They are basically pointy spikes that attached to the bottom

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Speaker 1: of your hiking boots. Well, I am here to tell

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Speaker 1: you that they are remarkably effective no matter how slick

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Speaker 1: or slippery the ice. So in conclusion, if you visit Iceland,

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Speaker 1: use the crampons and skip the shark. Now time to

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Speaker 1: hear from the two players that you have selected to

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Speaker 1: join Paul Brown, Anthony Munio's Ken Anderson and Ken Riley

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Speaker 1: in the Bengals Ring of Honor. Isaac Curtis was the

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Speaker 1: Bengals first round draft pick in nineteen seventy three and

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Speaker 1: spent his entire twelve year NFL career in Cincinnati. He

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Speaker 1: point one. His world class speed was a big reason

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Speaker 1: why the NFL changed its rules. Chad Johnson used the

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Speaker 1: nickname Ocho Sinko, but Isaac Curtis was the Bengals first

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Speaker 1: great number eighty five. Isaac, let me start by congratulating

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Speaker 1: San Diego State Athletic Hall of Fame. I know you're

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Speaker 1: there are others as well. What does this particular honor

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Speaker 1: There were fifteen former Bengals on the ballot, including some

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Speaker 1: It's it's really great to have been selected and to

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Speaker 1: he won the silver medal. Isaac, part of your legacy

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Speaker 1: always thought that a lot of the older guys should

431
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 1: go first. But I'm so appreciative of the fans and

432
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,639
Speaker 1: people picking me. To Gordon with a great gallet Isaac

433
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:05,719
Speaker 1: Curtis um can we kind of like both blend the generations.

434
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 1: You know, him being from the seventies and I think

435
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:12,359
Speaker 1: myself being the first person who actually played in Paul

436
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 1: Brown Stadium to be selected for the Ring of Honor.

437
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,440
Speaker 1: So definitely a great deal. Humble by it, and I'm grateful.

438
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 1: Have you gotten to know Isaac well over the years?

439
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 1: On fourth, I haven't um the guys I know. I

440
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,880
Speaker 1: know obviously Kenny Anderson very well. UM coach, He's one

441
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 1: of my coaches. When I played for the Bengals in

442
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 1: the last couple of years. I got to know Ken

443
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:38,440
Speaker 1: Raleigh very well. So I'm definitely excited about getting to

444
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 1: get to know Isaac and get to know the original

445
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:45,640
Speaker 1: eighty five Willie. I saw you a few weeks ago

446
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,639
Speaker 1: when you were in Cincinnati for Bengal Jim Foster's Jungle

447
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 1: to the Hall rally, which is an effort by Bengals

448
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 1: fans to raise awareness for the players who deserve to

449
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,440
Speaker 1: be in the Pro Football Hall of Fame from Cincinnati,

450
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:01,440
Speaker 1: and your appreciation of the fans port was really obvious

451
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:04,400
Speaker 1: that day. Can you articulate what that means to you?

452
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 1: This means a lot, especially as an ex player. You

453
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:11,399
Speaker 1: know sometimes in this generation of of of media that

454
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 1: that go so fast the former guys, it's in the

455
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 1: music business, sports, everything. When you're a former guy, you

456
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,360
Speaker 1: kind of get left behind because information goes so fast now,

457
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 1: So the fans are the Bengals fans to me have

458
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 1: inspired guys like myself, UM and other former guys because

459
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,159
Speaker 1: the love and passion they show for us, you know,

460
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,640
Speaker 1: doing retirement. You know, I've been retiring now for thirteen years,

461
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 1: I think, and just through social media, guys like Bengals

462
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,200
Speaker 1: Gym and you know, all these guys that that are

463
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,119
Speaker 1: doing things for the for the ex players. Um, this

464
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 1: gives us hope, gives us hope to give us since

465
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 1: the pride, because you want to be um involved with

466
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:47,360
Speaker 1: your organization that that you put so much time man

467
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,880
Speaker 1: so for the fans to keep things like this going.

468
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 1: I know for myself personally, with these guys been doing

469
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 1: for me, along with media people like Jeff Hobson and

470
00:25:56,000 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 1: guys for the Hall of Fame push, it's great. Um.

471
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,200
Speaker 1: I remember talking to Ken Rally before he passed away.

472
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 1: He told me that he wished things like this would

473
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 1: be happening a lot sooner and he got a chance

474
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,199
Speaker 1: to see it a little bit. But the push the

475
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 1: fans been doing for guys like him and Kenny Anderson

476
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,400
Speaker 1: and a lot of these famer guys included myself, has

477
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 1: been just tremendous. Our guest is the great Willie Anderson.

478
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 1: You had the misfortune of joining the franchise when the

479
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,680
Speaker 1: Bengals were struggling and didn't make it to the playoffs

480
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 1: until your tenth year. Does the recognition and the adulation

481
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,879
Speaker 1: that you are getting now helped make up for that?

482
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 1: It does? It does because like when you when you

483
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 1: do retire, you played on bad teams early in my career,

484
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 1: like I did. I remember a couple of years ago

485
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 1: talking to Tequila's fights and we both said, man, we

486
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,199
Speaker 1: just come come to the conclusion that our careers are

487
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 1: part and I'm never going to get seen by anyone

488
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 1: because no one's going to pay attention to that era

489
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:54,879
Speaker 1: of Bengals, you know what I mean. And this was

490
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:58,479
Speaker 1: before just run they're going on right now. So, um

491
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,400
Speaker 1: I it doesn't makes us feel better that that we're

492
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,679
Speaker 1: getting this kind of publicity retired, because there's there's so

493
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 1: many guys and people in general that have never seen

494
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: us play before. You know, all my kids and even

495
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 1: my college and programs at my academy here, they've never

496
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 1: seen me play before. They've seen my videos got post

497
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 1: on social media, but they you know, get for those

498
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: people right there to get a chance to see um

499
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:27,360
Speaker 1: our career and see that we're being honored this late

500
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 1: in our lives. Um, it's definitely a great feeling and

501
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,120
Speaker 1: you know, good thing to see be involved in. Those

502
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 1: kids should queue up one of Corey Dillon's two hundred

503
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 1: yard games. Hey man, I talk about Corey all the time,

504
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 1: you know, I tell people all the time I got

505
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 1: like CD, if you put him with a top just

506
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: an average passing game, I guarantee all these kids would

507
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 1: know who he was, you know. I mean the things

508
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 1: that Corey had to fight through. Um, you know, just

509
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 1: eight to nine man boxes and you know those kids

510
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,199
Speaker 1: they've never seen an eight nine ten man box right

511
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 1: now in the days, well because of the spread offense. Well,

512
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 1: you know, Corey Dillon was running out of the our

513
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 1: formation and offset formations, and he didn't have the best

514
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,880
Speaker 1: of quarterbacks for most of his career with the Bengals

515
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 1: until he got to you know, Tom Brady, and you

516
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 1: know he set records. You know, So City is a

517
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 1: record setter that I wish more people would see and

518
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 1: more people would talk about because he is one of

519
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 1: the big time players NFL history. In my opinion, I

520
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 1: imagine he is one of my answer one of your

521
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 1: answers to my next question, which is who are some

522
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 1: of the guys you would like to see get in

523
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 1: next after you and Isaac Curtis to the Bengals Ring

524
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 1: of Honor. Like I said, I said last year when

525
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 1: they first came up with it, I said, I wish

526
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 1: the older guys are boarding first, because let's be honest,

527
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 1: we're about thirty years behind, you know, on having a

528
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 1: sting right now. So there's guys like you know, I

529
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: had a chance to play with one of the superstars

530
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 1: of the Bengals organizations in Boom Size. You know, I mean,

531
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: I watched Boom as a kid in nineteen eighty eight.

532
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 1: I was thirteen years old watching him go to the

533
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: super Bowl. Then you know here eleven years later, I

534
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: had a chance to play with him for a year,

535
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 1: so to me and that that was a big deal

536
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 1: for me. And the guy was the MVP of the league,

537
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 1: and and and and and and brought a lot of

538
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 1: motor rider to this team. But a guy like Boomer

539
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 1: and of those of those older guys like that, um,

540
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 1: I personally wish we had more than two guys going

541
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 1: in so we can get some of the older guys in.

542
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: Then we can get guys in like a Corey Diller

543
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 1: and Ojo, you know, Tequille Spikes and you know guys

544
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 1: some guy some our era. But I do understand first

545
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 1: if the people who picking though the U, the season

546
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: ticket holders, you know, I would love to see some

547
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 1: of the older guys get you know, get established. The boomers.

548
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 1: Um your chim crumb rise guys that that you're Reggie Williams.

549
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 1: Got a guy who I talked to on Facebook a lot,

550
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 1: and um, you know, he keeps his he keeps his

551
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 1: his name kind of going along because I tell Reggie

552
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: all the times that man. When I was younger and

553
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 1: the eighty eight, watching you guys down in Mobile, Alabama,

554
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 1: I thought Reggie Williams was a mayor. I literally, I

555
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 1: literally thought he's an mayor of Cincinnati and he played

556
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 1: football because I always saw him in suits. I always

557
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 1: saw him at different meetings and involved in the city,

558
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 1: whether it's doing the stripe blocked out or he was

559
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 1: doing things and helping the city out. So I thought

560
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 1: as a kid, I thought, man, this guy was a

561
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 1: mayor and he really played for the Bengals. I thought

562
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 1: that was so cool. As a kid, so um guys

563
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 1: said that, UM just just just bridging those gaps from

564
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 1: the older guys who played before us and some of

565
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 1: my teammates all guys that played in my era. So

566
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: do you have a favorite game or favorite moment in

567
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 1: the Bengals uniform. It's a weird, it's a weird one.

568
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 1: I could say all of the Russian records that we sat.

569
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 1: I was a part of two Russian records. But the

570
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 1: Old five game in Detroit, you know, like you said,

571
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: after ten years, I wanted to be in the playoffs

572
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 1: and just that feeling of, you know, we're in the

573
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 1: locker rooms. We had shirts made up and Margaret was

574
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 1: so pissed off at the shirts. I remember that. I

575
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 1: couldn't understood that too, Like you know, we just wanted

576
00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 1: the vision. But you know, I waited ten years to

577
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 1: win the division and just seeing I think we blew

578
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: the I think we brew the lines out the game

579
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 1: and they were down. You know, their franchise had been

580
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 1: down with us too for a while too, but at

581
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 1: that point in time, we were up. We had Carson,

582
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: we had Rudy and o'chill and TJ. We had a

583
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: really good offensive line, had a defense that was turning

584
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: the ball over at a rapid rate. So me, a

585
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: lot of those guys thought that feeling was normal, but

586
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 1: I knew better. I knew I waited ten years for

587
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: that moment to happen and get to the playoffs. And

588
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 1: I remember getting to the playoffs and a lot of

589
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: my teammates from a lot of guys around the league

590
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 1: who I played with him at college, like my boy

591
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: Wayne Gandy, who played at Pittsburgh at the time. He

592
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 1: was calling me that morning the playoffs. You know, we

593
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 1: were eating breakfast that morning. Hey man, you finally made

594
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: it to the playoffs, like, you know, ten years in

595
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 1: and you know, I knew how hard it. I knew

596
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 1: how long and hard I waited for that moment. A

597
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 1: lot of guys on the team had, you know, they

598
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 1: hadn't been in that long to witness. I think it

599
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 1: was just like myself, Brad Saint Louis and Richie Brown,

600
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 1: guys who have been around, you know, since the mid nineties.

601
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 1: I think Brian Simmons to experience that the hard time

602
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: was in the nineties and now finally reaching over the

603
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 1: hump and oh five. So that game of Detroit part

604
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: of my fondest memory because as a team, we just

605
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: played so long, you know, for that national recognition that

606
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 1: happened for us. It's interesting that you mentioned that game

607
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 1: because I've talked to Mike Brown over the years about

608
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 1: some of his most memorable games. Obviously he's been there

609
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: for all of them, and he also picks out that

610
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 1: game and specifically describes sitting in his front row bus

611
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: seat that he's always in first seat of bus one

612
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: looking out the window and seeing all of you guys

613
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: and the joy on your faces from getting over the

614
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 1: hump and ending that long streak of not going to

615
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,479
Speaker 1: the postseason. Yeah, I mean, definitely it was a big moment. Man,

616
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 1: Like Marvin had been there for what that was the

617
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: third year correct we got out the hump. We had

618
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: a couple of eight and eight seasons, get a figure

619
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 1: Oh two was two and fourteen. So and the next

620
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 1: year Marvin got there, we were one game my way

621
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: from going to the playoffs, and I think oh four,

622
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: we missed it about two games, so then oh five.

623
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 1: For those things that happen and everything, you know, you know,

624
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: accumulated that day in Detroit. You know, we're just like,

625
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 1: hey man, we we we we got over one hurdle.

626
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 1: That hurdle was getting to the postseason. We're visiting with

627
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 1: Willie Anderson. You're widely considered to be the best right

628
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 1: tackle of your era. What do you consider to be

629
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: the most important traits that helped you excel? Just being

630
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: able to I spoke at a clinic a couple weeks

631
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: ago in Dallas, just being able to evolve, Like I

632
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: came into the leagues. If you see all my rookie

633
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 1: all my rookie cards that they hand out rookie, my

634
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: rookie player cards, they all said role grading run blockers.

635
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 1: So for all people who gives me credit for being

636
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 1: a devastating pass blocking a great pass blocker of my career,

637
00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: I came in the league. You know, the league was

638
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: all about running football. You know, the the quarterbacks were

639
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 1: not yet the superstar the superstars where you're running backs,

640
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: and in particular in our division, we had some of

641
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,760
Speaker 1: the all time great running backs in our division along

642
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 1: with Corey and then they don't get rooted. Um. So

643
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 1: me being able to evolve my career from the mid

644
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:19,359
Speaker 1: nineties where it was a devastating, you know, run blocking league.

645
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 1: You know, tough guy on tough guy, you know what

646
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 1: I mean. You know, I was moved to the right

647
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 1: side as my rookie year because we didn't have anybody

648
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 1: strong enough and big enough to play on that side,

649
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 1: because the Russias on that side were big power for men,

650
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And you're faster, the more

651
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 1: athletic guys so called, we're over the left tackle. So

652
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 1: we didn't have anybody in our team to do it,

653
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: so they didn't move me over there, and and it worked.

654
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: But my game evolved over the years because I say

655
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 1: all the time, the Russias went from being as big

656
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:55,720
Speaker 1: as Reggie White and Michael straighthand and Judas Peppers sixty

657
00:34:55,719 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 1: five to sixty seven. Peppers was m to oh five

658
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: Robert Mathis and Dwight Freeni is six foot one and

659
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: we have never we have never seen guys that size

660
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 1: at defense end before in the history of the league.

661
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: They were coming in doing spin moves, they were ducking

662
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: under guy's arms. So they were two day were the

663
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 1: small love with duck under your arms. So seeing those

664
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 1: guys have been able to evolve my game over the years.

665
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 1: I think then once you look into all the pro

666
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 1: football focus and the Pro Football Reference they ranked my

667
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 1: pass blockings one in last twenty years. That's all time best.

668
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: Um so for being a run blocker to you know,

669
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 1: a shutdown pass protector later my career, you know, I said,

670
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 1: just being able to evolve my games. I think I'm

671
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 1: biggest straight. Anybody that follows you on Twitter has seen

672
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 1: the videos that you post working with young offensive linemen.

673
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: You seem to love it. What do you get out

674
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 1: of that? Just a joy and a promise I made

675
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: to myself and God that you know once I once,

676
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 1: I made it that I would always look back for

677
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 1: kids because when I was younger then I had had

678
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: a weird. I had a weird I thought. I kept dreaming,

679
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,800
Speaker 1: like why won't Michael Jordan Oprah Winfrey comes to Mobile,

680
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 1: Alabama and just show us how to make it out

681
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 1: of here? Like those those are two most famous people

682
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 1: that you know that we looked at it and our

683
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,240
Speaker 1: in our err and I'm like, God, dog, like how

684
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 1: do you make it? Like? What things do you have

685
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: to do to make it throughout high school? Then? Because

686
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 1: now there's so much, so much information for these kids now,

687
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 1: I mean they can go get a step my step

688
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 1: boklet to follow and I kind of called myself that

689
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 1: that eight to Z guy helping these kids make it

690
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 1: from high school, you know, to college. And even the

691
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:41,320
Speaker 1: kids who are not gonna play college football out of

692
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 1: my cademy, you don't, we have some kids that just

693
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 1: want to be high school starters and their parents wanted

694
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,399
Speaker 1: to make the team and be a starter and mom

695
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 1: and dad going to your form on Friday night. Um,

696
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 1: I have those kind of kids all the way to

697
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 1: the guys like the Paris Johnson was who if Lloyd

698
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:58,320
Speaker 1: wouldn't things were right, it could be it can be

699
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,479
Speaker 1: a first round drift pick next year that had PJ

700
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:04,280
Speaker 1: since his ninth grade year in high school. So just

701
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 1: just just fulfilling that promise I made the guard that

702
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 1: the healthy kids out, Um, I can be a lot

703
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 1: more famous, probably training a bunch of pros and my

704
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 1: gym I had a bunch of pros and because the

705
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 1: NFL media would eat it up. But my joy and

706
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: passion comes from a last year we had fifteen kids

707
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,359
Speaker 1: to signed scholarships out of my academy. We we hit,

708
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 1: we worked there, worked there recruiting, and we training, and

709
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 1: to me, that's fifteen families that these kids stay in school,

710
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 1: they'll leading school with no no college debts. They're on

711
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 1: a free ride. And to me, that's that's bigger than me,

712
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 1: than me having a bunch of pros and kind of saying, hey,

713
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 1: I trained this guy. I trained this guy, but you

714
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 1: know I trained a five foot ten left guard at

715
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: this high school. You know what I mean? Who travels

716
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 1: and Alabama Enterprise Alabama travel to Alata two and a

717
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:53,959
Speaker 1: half hours to come of training me. He's probably gonna

718
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: play Division three ball at best, but he's he has

719
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,359
Speaker 1: the willing and the power, you know, the willpower drive

720
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 1: for two and a half hours to come see me.

721
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 1: It's one of the reasons why I give kids two

722
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 1: hour sessions. We never have an our sessions. I have

723
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 1: kids driving two and a half hours sometimes to come train,

724
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 1: sometimes out of state. So I try to give him

725
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 1: more than what they give me. And that gives me

726
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 1: my joy and pleasure to help these kids because because

727
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 1: I wanted someone to help my son, and my son

728
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 1: only made it to college because I had a group

729
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 1: of guys around him that were really good people who

730
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 1: really loved him, and they weren't really worried about just

731
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 1: making money off him. They really wanted to see him

732
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: to see so I have a right to pay that

733
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 1: back as a skill developer of these big guys. That

734
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 1: is awesome stuff. Let me ask you a couple of

735
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: questions about the current team. What do you think of

736
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: new right tackle la L. Collins else? Who will play

737
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 1: your own position? I ain't got my old number on them.

738
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: So he is the third right tackle we've had that

739
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: seventy one after me. So, but I worked at l LC.

740
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 1: I didn't Dallas before twenty eighteen out with the Cowboys

741
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 1: working with them and training camp and mini camp and

742
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: had a chance to build a relationship with him then. Um,

743
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,760
Speaker 1: he's definitely kind of guy. Um, I think the Beagles

744
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 1: needed right tackle. He's a he's a He called himself

745
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,320
Speaker 1: an enforcer, and you watch him play, he plays like

746
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: an enforcer. I think right now with Joe Burrow at quarterback,

747
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 1: we need some enforces up there. We need those kind

748
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: of guys along with Jonah Jonah at the left tackle.

749
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,959
Speaker 1: We finally got those two book ins you know that

750
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 1: that we had back when you know it was Andrew

751
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: Witworth and and Andrew Smithton. Before that was myself and

752
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 1: Levi Jones. You know what I mean, the Beagles always

753
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 1: has success they've had two dominating tackles, whether it be

754
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 1: the great the Goat, Anton Muyos and my mentor Joe Walters,

755
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So this this team's had

756
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 1: success when they've had those kind of two tackles. And

757
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 1: I think um Ulya provides an attitude because we have

758
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 1: to have an attitude adjuster. He's a dominating run blocker.

759
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 1: He's a guy who shuts down guys and pathbitecture and

760
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 1: the guy who's gonna live to me as the right

761
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 1: tacle position going to play at a Pro Bowl level

762
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 1: or you know, so or high just just just what

763
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:09,240
Speaker 1: he's done the whole time he's been in the NFL.

764
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 1: Let's played a Pro Bowl right tackle. How about Jackson Carmen.

765
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 1: I know you gave a stamp of approval before he

766
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 1: was drafted last year. You've worked with him some in

767
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,800
Speaker 1: the past. What does he need to do to become

768
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 1: the kind of NFL player you think he could be.

769
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: Just keep developing his game and and and and focusing

770
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:30,280
Speaker 1: on the game and um you know, it's a different

771
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,479
Speaker 1: it's a different aspect playing. Let's tackle your whole career

772
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 1: of high school in college and then coming to play

773
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:39,720
Speaker 1: left guard, like Jackson's a tall, big guy, and those guards,

774
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 1: those tackles deferent the tackle down, you're gonna look at

775
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 1: a guy like Aaron Um, the guy out of you know,

776
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:50,359
Speaker 1: I'm having Aaron don bad. He's got six foot one,

777
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And so a guy like

778
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: Jackson having to been down and play at that leverage.

779
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 1: So it's a whole different game in him playing tackle

780
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,359
Speaker 1: and guard. And I think the more experience he gets

781
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,359
Speaker 1: um you know, all season things he continues he does,

782
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 1: and the things he gets to do it and training him,

783
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 1: I think, you know, just getting just getting more and

784
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:10,800
Speaker 1: more reps. I think the more the more reps he

785
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 1: can get, the better he'll be. But it takes some

786
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 1: time for tackles to go into guard because there's less space,

787
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 1: and I mean the time is more faster. The guys

788
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 1: are are are probably more you know, not just as

789
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: big as him, but sometimes they're biggest, big big as

790
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 1: he is. Sometimes they're smaller, more quicker, more explosive guys.

791
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 1: So him figuring that part of the game, I think

792
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: something big adjustment for him. I think he bigble should

793
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 1: be able to do it. WILLI That Ring of Honor

794
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,760
Speaker 1: game will be in week four, Thursday night game against

795
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 1: the Miami Dolphins. Is there anything in particular you are

796
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,399
Speaker 1: looking forward to that night and who do you plan

797
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 1: to have in attendance. Um, I'm talking to some of

798
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 1: my teammates right now. Obviously my mom is coming, Um, Um,

799
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 1: my brother Pastor Floyd walking up then Cincinnati right now. Owner,

800
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 1: happiest pieces my brother, He's coming. But what I'm looking

801
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,720
Speaker 1: for is some of my teammates to come back, because

802
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: you if you look at the years past, when other

803
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 1: teams you know, Pittsburgh, Baltimore or you see you see

804
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 1: the patients every year doing it, the former guys come back,

805
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And and uh fortunately and

806
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 1: unfortunately for us, we only second year doing it, so

807
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 1: we don't have as many guys. They're gonna be they're

808
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 1: gonna be wearing the jackets. But I do what some

809
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 1: of my teammates to come back, because you know, those

810
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 1: guys help, you know, build a legacies that we have.

811
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 1: And so many guys have helped me make it to

812
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: this level. All the guards I played with, from from

813
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 1: Mike Golf to my boy Bobby Williams, the guys that

814
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 1: that man, Ken black Man's guys that haven't seen in years,

815
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Talk to a lot of

816
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:40,439
Speaker 1: guys out. I know we have a big group text

817
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 1: of being us. My boy Levi Jones talking about coming

818
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: up and so guys at that man, guys that you know,

819
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 1: Richie Brown, talk to Richie all the time. You know,

820
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 1: guys at that who who helped my career out. Um,

821
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: I want to be able to celebrate this with them

822
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: and hopefully those guys being a couple of years so

823
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: hopefully hopeful, hopefully guys coming back in the Austin, you know,

824
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 1: the former guys coming back, get a chance to come

825
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 1: back and have a good time and see this all right?

826
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 1: Final thing, you look great. You've lost a ton of weight.

827
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 1: You're gonna look great in that jacket. I can tell

828
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: you that on Ring of Honor night. What motivated you?

829
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: And how do you feel? Feel? Good? Man? I feel great,

830
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:22,359
Speaker 1: you know, I man, I've lost seventy five pounds of things. Um,

831
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 1: just just my health, need to just I spent so

832
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 1: much time, you know, last five you know, my son's

833
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 1: high school career, just trying to help him out and

834
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: got him, you know, traveling him around the country trying

835
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,399
Speaker 1: to you know, just training, and I was doing way

836
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: more things for him that I was doing for myself

837
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 1: and even into his college career at Georgia Tech. And

838
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 1: I just decided, you know, doing COVID. Hey man, you know,

839
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm too doug on big right now, you

840
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And you know, I had some

841
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: health issues I'm dealing with and all different things that

842
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,800
Speaker 1: so I think the weight loss would I figured the

843
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:57,879
Speaker 1: weight loss will help those things out. I feel better,

844
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, you know, and I need

845
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 1: to do it, man, you I need to eat better

846
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:05,280
Speaker 1: and I need to stay moving a lot more. Doing COVID.

847
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 1: I started doing these crazy long walks because because we

848
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 1: couldn't go to the gyms, and we were all listing

849
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 1: in the Zombie World Zombie a Populous World, and we

850
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 1: thought they're working to go outside. So I started going outside, man,

851
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 1: just walking and you know, walking fifty minute walks. And

852
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: I kept doing it from from then and so so

853
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 1: since two twenty one February, when I started growing this beard,

854
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 1: I made a committing myself to start you know, walking

855
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 1: crazy and late night gym sessions. I can't go too

856
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 1: hard in me, Jim, because my body is still hate

857
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 1: hurts every day. But just walking and staying active man,

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Speaker 1: and not you know, the late night eating stuff stop.

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Speaker 1: You know, lost the weight man. I feel good, you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean hopefully I look good. You do look good.

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Speaker 1: Congratulations on dropping seventy five pounds. That's not too easy

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Speaker 1: to do. But more importantly, congratulations on being one of

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Speaker 1: the first five players selected for the Ring of Honor.

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Speaker 1: It's well deserved and we looked forward to seeing you

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Speaker 1: in week four on Thursday night for Hey. Thanks that

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Speaker 1: last year, Willie was one of fifteen Modern era finalists

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Speaker 1: for the Pro Football Hall of Fame, and while he

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Speaker 1: wasn't elected, he was one of only two offensive linemen

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Speaker 1: on the ballot, and the other one, Tony Basselli, got in.

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Speaker 1: Here's Mike Brown on a worthy candidate to join Anthony

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Speaker 1: Muno's in Canton. He was special. Willie was massive, and

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Speaker 1: he had quick feet, the feet of dancer. He had

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Speaker 1: long arms. When anyone got to him, it didn't do

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Speaker 1: him much good because he was so big and strong

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Speaker 1: and they couldn't throw him off balance and he could

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Speaker 1: dance with them, glide with them to the outside when

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Speaker 1: they tried to get around to the outside, so they

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Speaker 1: couldn't go outside, They couldn't go inside, they didn't go anywhere.

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Speaker 1: They just stayed where they were, and we had a

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Speaker 1: right tech that was as good a right tech or

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Speaker 1: as this league is seen. He should be in the

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame along with Anthony. As a pair there was.

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Speaker 1: There wouldn't have been two better than those two. Hopefully

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00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 1: Willie will eventually get his gold jacket, but we do

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Speaker 1: know this, he and Isaac Curtis will get their Bengals

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Speaker 1: Ring of Honor jackets on Thursday night, September twenty ninth,

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Speaker 1: when the Bengals host the Dolphins. That's going to do

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