1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:04,400 Speaker 1: Welcome. It is Verdict with Center, Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson 2 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: with you. It's so nice to have you with us. 3 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: Many of you listening to this on radio around the country, 4 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:11,040 Speaker 1: and we are thrilled to have you with us as well. 5 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 1: Don't forget we do this show as a podcast, so 6 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: make sure you hit that subscriber auto download button if 7 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:19,240 Speaker 1: you download Vertic with Tech Cruse. We do it three 8 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 1: days a week, and obviously this radio show as well. Senator, 9 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:25,760 Speaker 1: We've got a lot to talk about in the show, 10 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: but let's just start with the big thing everybody's wanting 11 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: to hear about, and that is your sit down interview 12 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 1: in your office with Tucker Carlson. 13 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 2: Well, this week I sat down with Tucker Carlson. We 14 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 2: did a two hour interview in my office and I 15 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 2: got to tell you it was a bloodbath. The two 16 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 2: of us frankly beat the living daylights out of each 17 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 2: other for two hours straight. It was there were fireworks, 18 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:52,520 Speaker 2: I'll tell you online there have been over one hundred 19 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 2: million views on clips from this show. It was vigorous, 20 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 2: it was contested, it was look. It laid out two 21 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 2: very different views on foreign policy, and it's what we're 22 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 2: going to talk about today. 23 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:11,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, it really is an incredible on the foreign policy front. 24 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: So let's just start with the basic question that I 25 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: think so many people have been asking me when they 26 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: saw the sibbits of this interview, and I would actually 27 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: encourage people to watch the entire interview, not just the 28 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 1: little things that popped on social media, but number one 29 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 1: like why did you decide to do this interview with him? 30 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: And did do you think it was going to be 31 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 1: like this? 32 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 2: Well, let me start with the second part first. Yes, 33 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 2: I knew exactly what it was going to be. I 34 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 2: knew that Tucker when he asked for the interview, I 35 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 2: knew that he was doing it to come after me. 36 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 2: I knew he was going to come in and just 37 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:47,320 Speaker 2: be swinging as hard as he could. And I went in. 38 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 2: I wasn't looking to pick a fight, and in fact, 39 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 2: we started the interview with my pointing out. I said, Tucker, listen, 40 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 2: you and I we agree on about eighty percent of issues. 41 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 2: We agree across the board. And I said, Tucker, you 42 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 2: have been fantastic on a ton of issues. You've been 43 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 2: fantastic on securing the border. That is a deep passion 44 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:09,239 Speaker 2: of mine. We have got to secure the border. And 45 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:12,359 Speaker 2: when Joe Biden the Democrats had opened borders, you were 46 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:15,639 Speaker 2: ferocious in fighting for that which I have been fighting 47 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 2: alongside that with all my might. I will say during COVID, 48 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 2: during the COVID lockdowns, Tucker was phenomenal. In fact, to 49 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 2: the middle of the COVID lockdowns. I called Tucker back 50 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 2: when he had a show on Fox, and I told him, 51 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 2: I said, Tucker, your evening monologues are the single best 52 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:36,839 Speaker 2: thing on television. I listened to them. I consume them 53 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 2: like crack every night because they are so good. Because 54 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:41,919 Speaker 2: he was speaking out, he was speaking out powerfully against 55 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 2: the insanity of shutting down our country, against the insanity 56 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 2: of shutting down small businesses, against the insanity of shutting 57 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:51,640 Speaker 2: down churches, against the insanity of shutting down schools. And 58 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 2: over ten million kids did not go to in person 59 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 2: school for over a year. And by the way, the 60 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:00,639 Speaker 2: data all show the learning loss to kids from that 61 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:03,920 Speaker 2: idiotic social experiment is going to be with them their 62 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 2: entire life. I think ten, twenty, thirty, forty years from now, 63 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:11,239 Speaker 2: we're going to look back and say, what idiocy prompted 64 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 2: this country to shut down schools and hurt so many kids. 65 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 2: So on all of those issues, on free speech, on 66 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 2: the Second Amendment, Tucker's been fantastic, and we aren't exactly 67 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 2: the same page on all of those issues. Now, I 68 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 2: did acknowledge there are issues on which we disagree. I 69 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:30,919 Speaker 2: knew that Tucker wanted the interview because he wanted to 70 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 2: come after me, and I knew that it was going 71 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 2: to be particularly spicy, a lot of fireworks, because Tucker 72 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 2: in the last week has gotten really crosswise with President Trump. 73 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 2: Tucker has blasted the President and said that the President 74 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 2: was complicit in Israel's war. He said that the President's 75 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 2: actions were not consistent with America first. And so I 76 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 2: knew that Tucker was going to be hot and that 77 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 2: I was going to be the target to take his 78 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 2: ir out. I did the interview because listen, although Tucker 79 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 2: is right on a whole lot of issues on foreign policy, 80 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 2: I think he's gone really off the rails. He has 81 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 2: gotten to a place of hardcore isolationism that I think 82 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 2: is really dangerous. It's not good for America. I disagree 83 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 2: with it. He does not want America to support Israel. 84 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:23,599 Speaker 2: He does not want America to do anything to stop 85 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 2: Iran from getting a nuclear weapon, and he is vocally 86 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:30,159 Speaker 2: and vigorously disagreeing with President Trump. And I thought it 87 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:34,160 Speaker 2: was important for me to do this interview to explain 88 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 2: what President Trump is doing and to defend the president, 89 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 2: to stand with President Trump. And I got to tell you, 90 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 2: the entire theme of my interview was very simple. Donald 91 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 2: Trump is right, and Tucker on Iran and Israel, you're wrong. 92 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 2: And that was the whole point of the interview that 93 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 2: came across at great length. Now, we did the interview 94 00:04:56,560 --> 00:05:00,600 Speaker 2: and on Tuesday, and then Tucker released it on Wednesday. 95 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 2: But before Wednesday, he released a little stippet and in 96 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 2: two hours. Look, I'm gonna give Tucker some credit, he 97 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:07,840 Speaker 2: had a little gotcha moment. So two hours of back 98 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 2: and forth and back and forth and back and forth, 99 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 2: and he decided to play a little gotcha moment. So 100 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 2: so in the course of talking about Iran, he asks me, 101 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 2: he says, well, what's the population of Iran? And I 102 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 2: thought about it for a second and realized I didn't 103 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 2: actually know the exact population of Iran, and so I 104 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 2: just said I don't know, and he did the sort 105 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 2: of classic Tucker, what how can you not know that, 106 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 2: And I mean, he was, you know, vibrating and looking 107 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:39,919 Speaker 2: as if I had, you know, admitted to I don't know, 108 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 2: committing treason or something. And I just said, look, I 109 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 2: don't memorize population tables. And he comes in with with great, 110 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 2: great joy and says and I asked him, I said, 111 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 2: what's the population of Iran? He says ninety two million. Actually, 112 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 2: according to the Google searches afterwards, it's eighty nine million, 113 00:05:57,600 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 2: so he was off three million, which I think is 114 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:01,160 Speaker 2: funny because I assume he Google searched it right before 115 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 2: the interview so he could do his little gotcha. And 116 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:07,479 Speaker 2: I'll confess this may not be terribly credible, but the 117 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 2: truth of the matter is in my head what I 118 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:13,479 Speaker 2: was going to say, if I was guessing, was ninety million. 119 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 2: So I was actually felt pretty good. I'm like, huh, 120 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 2: all right, pretty damn close. But I said, look, what 121 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 2: difference does it make if it's ninety million or eighty 122 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 2: million or a hundred million. And the reason I didn't 123 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 2: want to positive guess is because stupid and unfair interviews. 124 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 2: You play gotcha's on this and I'll say things like 125 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 2: population numbers. There are all sorts of countries across the 126 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 2: globe that have sort of really surprising populations that they 127 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:40,720 Speaker 2: can have populations that are either significantly bigger than you 128 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 2: would think, are significantly smaller than you would think. And 129 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 2: at the end of the day, what I was talking about, 130 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:50,159 Speaker 2: which is the Iatola, theocratic radical lunatic who chance death 131 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 2: to American is trying to develop a nuclear weapon. The 132 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 2: thread of that is not remotely different whether Iran has 133 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 2: a population of eighty million, ninety million, hundred million. So 134 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 2: it was an irrelevant gotcha. But that little clip, what 135 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 2: Tucker did is he released it a day before the 136 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 2: whole interview, so he picked out of two hours. He 137 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 2: thought that was the best sixty seconds because he did 138 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 2: get me to say the words I don't know, and 139 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 2: he felt very gleeful on that I got to say. 140 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 2: The rest of the interview as it played out, there's 141 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 2: a reason he wanted to start with that clip. And 142 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 2: that clip went viral, and that's fine, but there's a 143 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 2: reason he wanted to start with that clip because the 144 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 2: rest of the interview. Tucker's positions on Israel were very clear. 145 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 2: He didn't want to stand with Israel. He was and 146 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 2: we're going to lay this out in the course of 147 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 2: the show. Deeply opposed to Israel, and he was deeply 148 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 2: opposed to President Trump's policy, and in fact, he had 149 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 2: been in writing and vocally attacking President Trump. And he 150 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 2: didn't want to talk about that in terms of putting 151 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 2: it out the results of the interview. But that's why 152 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:52,239 Speaker 2: I did the interview. 153 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 1: So I've done interviews that have been pretty snarky. I 154 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: worked seen in for a long time as a conservative commentator. 155 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 1: Are you glad you did the interview? Because I always 156 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: got that question and it's the same one. I know 157 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 1: a lot of people want to ask you. 158 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 2: Absolutely one thousand percent. 159 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 3: Yes. 160 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 2: Look, could the interview have been much better? If Tucker 161 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 2: had wanted to sit down and have a reasonable, thoughtful conversation, 162 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 2: let me speak, let him speak, us go back and 163 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 2: forth and lay out different visions of foreign policy, that 164 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 2: would have been a much much better interview. But Tucker 165 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 2: didn't want to do that. When he didn't like what 166 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 2: you're saying, he interrupts, he gets snarky, he insults you, 167 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 2: and you're gonna hear all that because that's what he did. 168 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:37,079 Speaker 2: But that's fine, I mean it. He decided he wanted 169 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 2: this interview to be the two of us scream at 170 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 2: each other. So that's what it ended up being. But 171 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 2: I'm very glad because it was important to lay out 172 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 2: the contrast. Donald Trump is right and Tucker Carlson is 173 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:51,199 Speaker 2: wrong on Israel and Iran, and I wanted to make 174 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:52,199 Speaker 2: that absolutely clear. 175 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 1: One of the big differences between the two of you 176 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 1: was on what success looks like, especially when it comes 177 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 1: to Israel taking out top Iranian military leadership. 178 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 2: Well, that's exactly right. Israel right now is taking out 179 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 2: the senior Iranian military leadership. And this is a regime. 180 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 2: When the Iotola chants death to America, I believe him. 181 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 2: When he chants death to Israel, I believe him. When 182 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 2: he calls Israel the little Satan in America the great Satan, 183 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:24,839 Speaker 2: I believe that he believes that. And so the Iatola's 184 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 2: efforts to develop nuclear weapons they are designed for one 185 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:31,319 Speaker 2: very specific purpose, which is to be able to attack 186 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 2: Israel and America. And let me point out, by the way, 187 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:38,319 Speaker 2: there is a reason the Iatola has an ICBM program. 188 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 2: ICBM stands for intercontinental ballistic missile. You do not need 189 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:48,479 Speaker 2: an ICBM to attack Israel. Right now, Iran is pounding 190 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 2: Israel with ballistic missiles, but Israel is relatively close to Iran. 191 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 2: Iran wants an ICBM for one purpose and one purpose only, 192 00:09:57,320 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 2: to be able to carry a nuclear warhead to the 193 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 2: unit the States of America. And so that is the 194 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 2: threat we are facing. And Israel is doing an enormous 195 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 2: favor to America by taking out Iran's nuclear capability. Here, 196 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 2: give a listen to Tucker and me discussing exactly this point. 197 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:16,959 Speaker 2: Do you want to ask how to supporting Israel benefit us? 198 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 2: Right now? This tiny little country the size of the 199 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 2: state of New Jersey is fighting our enemies for US 200 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 2: and taking out their top military leadership and trying to 201 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 2: take out their nuclear capacity. That makes America much safer. 202 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 1: Right, by the way, You're absolutely right. I mean Israel 203 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 1: is taking out top Perhanian military leadership. And yes, Israel 204 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 1: is fighting our enemies right now for US and not 205 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 1: just America, but many other countries around the world. 206 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 2: Well, and it benefits America. Understand, these nuclear weapons are 207 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:51,319 Speaker 2: being developed so they can attack America. And it's not 208 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 2: American soldiers who are taking out these nuclear facilities. It 209 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 2: is Israeli commandos who are doing so that's something we 210 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 2: should be grateful for. But but Tucker Carlson has been 211 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 2: vigorously criticizing President Trump for standing with Israel on this 212 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:09,200 Speaker 2: and and here's another segment with with with Tucker and 213 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 2: me discussing this point that I. 214 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 4: Willing to spend money opposed to that it's awful. I 215 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 4: am against killing anybody, actually, and especially foreign government. I'm 216 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 4: asking about your allegation in the Prime Minister of Israel's 217 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 4: allegation that. 218 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 2: Is killing Terris is a good thing. Killing people are 219 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 2: trying to murder Americans is a good thing because if 220 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 2: you're America first, you want to protect American So taking 221 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 2: out killing O'samovan Laden was a fantastic But you don't 222 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 2: believe that they're trying to murder Trump or you ain't it? Yes, 223 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 2: but why are you, senator? 224 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: You said earlier in the interview with him at the 225 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: beginning and on this show that you and Tucker agree 226 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 1: on about eighty percent of the issues, like hardcore lockstep. 227 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: But this one here is maybe the most insane point 228 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: where Pucker's like, Hey, I don't want to kill anybody 229 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 1: around the world, no matter what I'm like, hold on, 230 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:04,839 Speaker 1: if you had a chance to take out Hitler, you 231 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 1: wouldn't have done it. Are you kidding me? 232 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 2: Well, this is unfortunately a point that frankly, you see 233 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 2: from a lot of people on the far left. You 234 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 2: see from the sort of Jimmy Carter's of the world, 235 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 2: and even Barack Obama's, the kind of piece nicks that say, man, 236 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 2: all war is bad. Just just you know, killing is bad. 237 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 2: I'm just opposed to killing. And I get that that 238 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 2: sounds good in a college faculty lounge. But as I 239 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:33,319 Speaker 2: asked him in the course of it, I'm like, did 240 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 2: you think it's bad that we killed Osama bin Laden? 241 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 2: Do you think it's bad that that that Hitler's dead? 242 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 2: Do you think it's bad that we killed General Solomony? 243 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 2: Do you think it's bad that And let's be clear 244 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 2: that President Trump killed General Solomony. I asked him that 245 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 2: he wouldn't answer, that, he wouldn't ask answer if it 246 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:51,680 Speaker 2: was if it was good or bad that we killed 247 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:54,559 Speaker 2: Osama bin Laden. That the idea that we should never 248 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 2: kill anybody is an incredibly naive and unrealistic position. Look, 249 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 2: I think we should avoid unnecessary wars. I think we 250 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 2: should be very reluctant to put American servicemen and women 251 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 2: in harm's way. But when you have terrorists, killing Osama 252 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 2: bin Laden was a great day for America and a 253 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 2: great day for the world because Osama bin Laden murdered 254 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 2: thousands of Americans and waged war against America. And anyone 255 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 2: who is actually focused on America first and defending this 256 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 2: nation understands that there are dangerous people that are trying 257 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 2: to kill Americans and it's the job of the commander 258 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 2: in chief to keep them safe. Now, I will say, 259 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 2: in a two hour interview, one of the things that 260 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 2: was striking is thirty six minutes of the interview was 261 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 2: Tucker attacking me for supporting Israel, and in particular, he 262 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 2: was obsessed with APAC. APAC is the America Israel Political 263 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:58,199 Speaker 2: Action Committee, and he was going on and on and 264 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 2: on about how APAC should have to register under Farah, 265 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 2: the law that requires that that organizations that are lobbying 266 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 2: on behalf of foreign governments have to register. Now, APAK 267 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:12,199 Speaker 2: is not lobbying on behalf of a foreign government. APAC 268 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 2: consists of Americans. It is Americans who are standing up. 269 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 5: Now. 270 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:19,359 Speaker 2: There are Americans who want a strong US Israel relationship, 271 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 2: but they are not a lobbyist for the nation of Israel. 272 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 2: And all told, he asked twenty eight questions on APAC, 273 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 2: twenty eight questions. He asked thirty five questions on why 274 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 2: I was supporting Israel, and finally it led to this moment, 275 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 2: which was quite a bit of fireworks. Here. Give a listen. 276 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 2: By the way, Tucker, it's a very weird thing, the 277 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 2: obsession with Israel, and we're talking about foreign count You're 278 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 2: not talking about Chinese, you're not talking about Japanesi, not 279 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 2: talking about the Brits, you're not talking about the French. 280 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 2: The question what about the Jews? What about the Jews? 281 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 5: Tey semi? 282 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 2: Now, Senator, you're just in the question, Tucker, you're asking 283 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 2: why are the Jews who controlling our foreign policy? 284 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 4: That's what you just asked, hardly saying that, and I 285 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 4: have that's exactly what you just said. 286 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: It is, by the way, exactly he was saying over 287 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 1: and over again, as you mentioned for so long and again, 288 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 1: the demonization of Americans, and many of them they're Jewish 289 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 1: that advocate for Israel in America and say they should 290 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 1: be foreign lobbyist organization. Look, I've spoken at one of 291 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 1: their events before. I'm sure you've spoken it countless events 292 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 1: for them before. The idea that there's some foreign agency 293 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 1: is absurd yea. 294 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 2: And he also had a whole line of inquiry, isn't 295 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 2: it horrible that Israel spies on America? My response was, 296 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 2: every one of our allies spies on America. We spy 297 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 2: on every one of our allies. That's real politique, that's 298 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 2: the world we live in. And he could not acknowledge 299 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 2: that point. He said, no, no, but Israel does it. 300 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 2: It's terrible that Israel does it. And it was bizarrely focused. Okay, look, 301 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 2: the Brits spy on us, the Canadian spy on us, 302 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 2: the French spy on us. Everybody spies on us, and 303 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 2: we spy on everybody. Welcome to reality, because conservatives are 304 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 2: not simple and naive. And yet the criticism that is 305 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 2: directed at Israel sadly is unique and I think really unfortunate. 306 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 1: I want to get back into the Tucker Carlson interview 307 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 1: that you did and center there was some interesting themes 308 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 1: that came out of this interview. He was obviously attacking you, 309 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 1: he was attacking Israel, he was attacking groups that support Israel. 310 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 1: But then there was an even weirder point where I 311 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 1: think Tucker probably is hoping that we don't play this, 312 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 1: or that people didn't watch the whole interview and hear 313 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 1: this part. It was about the Iranian regime. They've been 314 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 1: trying to murder Donald Trump. They've hired hitman, They've been 315 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: trying to hire hitman. They've come after former cabinet members 316 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 1: of Donald Trump. And when you brought it up, he 317 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 1: acted like he'd never heard of this before and that 318 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 1: you were either lying or this is shocking news to him. 319 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, this was utterly bizarre, and I got to say, 320 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 2: in the whole course of the two hour interview, this 321 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 2: was the strangest portion. For the last two years, Iran 322 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 2: has been active trying to murder President Donald Trump. Iran 323 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 2: has hired hitman to murder President Trump, and Ran also 324 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:10,120 Speaker 2: has been trying to murder Mike Pompeo, President Trump's former 325 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 2: secretary of State, John Bolton, President Trump's former national security advisor, 326 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:18,359 Speaker 2: and Brian Hook, President Trump's former assistant secretary of state. 327 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 2: All of them, Iran has hired hitman and has been 328 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 2: targeting them bizarrely, and this has been widely reported. These 329 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:30,639 Speaker 2: are objective facts, but bizarrely, Tucker Carlson assisted insisted this 330 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 2: has never happened. Here, give a listen. 331 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 4: I just want to pull that thread because it's so important. 332 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 4: I voted for Donald Trump. I can't paign for Donald Trump. 333 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:40,120 Speaker 4: He's our president and won in the cusp of a war. 334 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:43,359 Speaker 4: So if Iran, if there's evidence that Iran paid hitman 335 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 4: to kill Donald Trump and is currently doing that, where's that? 336 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 4: What are you even talking? I've never heard that before. Okay, 337 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:51,399 Speaker 4: where's the evidence? Who are these people? Why haven't they 338 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:53,159 Speaker 4: been arrested? Why are we not at war with Iran? 339 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 4: That's a great question to ask. How do you know 340 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:56,640 Speaker 4: that that's true. 341 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:59,880 Speaker 2: We know that it's true because we have been told 342 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:03,639 Speaker 2: that by the military and our intelligence community for the 343 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 2: last two years. We meaning who Congress has in the public. 344 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:09,920 Speaker 2: I mean it had multiple testimonies. I can send you 345 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 2: test We know the. 346 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 4: Names of the people are where this happened, or what 347 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 4: they tried to do to kill Trump. 348 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 2: We do not. We have not apprehended an Iranian hit 349 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:20,959 Speaker 2: man trying to kill him. We know that Iran is 350 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 2: trying to do so in the United States. Yes, and 351 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 2: by the way, like Iran, this just seems like a 352 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 2: huge headline and you're acting like everyone knows this. I 353 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 2: didn't know that Iran put out a whole video about 354 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 2: murdering Trump, right, but I've never heard evidence that there 355 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 2: are hitmen in the United States, I mean, trying to 356 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 2: kill Trump right now, we should like have a nationwide 357 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 2: dragged down on this and we should attack Iran immediately 358 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 2: if that's true. Don't you think no, but they're trying 359 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 2: to assassinate our president. They have been for two years. 360 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 2: They are more with them. Well we are trying. 361 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:57,200 Speaker 4: To Why don't we just knwke teard if they're trying 362 00:18:57,200 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 4: to murder our president. There's nothing that you could do 363 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 4: that would be worse for the United States than murdering Trump. 364 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 4: And I just don't understand why you're not calling for 365 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:06,679 Speaker 4: the use of nuclear weapons against the ee tootal right now, 366 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:08,879 Speaker 4: I'm serious, if you really believe there's a use of 367 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:12,920 Speaker 4: nuclear weapons, whatever the problem of so mean, you don't 368 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:14,400 Speaker 4: seem to take the allegation seriously. 369 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:14,719 Speaker 5: I do. 370 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:16,880 Speaker 4: If you believe they're trying to murder Trump, we need 371 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:19,400 Speaker 4: to stop what we're doing and punish them. 372 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:23,399 Speaker 1: I mean, insanely bizarre. We went from let's not do 373 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 1: anything to Oh, they're trying to kill Trump. Well, if 374 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 1: that's true, let's just nuke them. 375 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 5: So you're right. 376 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 2: The entire two hours, Tucker's position was do nothing on Iran, 377 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 2: do nothing on Iran, do nothing on Iran, do not 378 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 2: support Israel, do not support Israel, do not support Israel. 379 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:41,879 Speaker 2: But if Iran is trying to murder Trump, then we 380 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 2: should nuke them. Okay, Ben, that's absolutely wacky. And look, 381 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 2: it's the sign of someone who's not presenting an argument 382 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 2: in good faith. No, we should not be nuking Iran. 383 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 1: That that's not. 384 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 2: A good idea. And by the way, this is a 385 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 2: point where actually facts matter. And part of what was 386 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:04,360 Speaker 2: frustrating about this interview is that Tucker just says things 387 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 2: that are blatantly false and he doesn't care if they're 388 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 2: true or false. So this is an objective fact. I'm 389 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 2: going to read to you from a political article on 390 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:16,640 Speaker 2: November eighth, twenty twenty four, not very long ago. Here's 391 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:20,680 Speaker 2: the title. Iran ordered an operative to assassinate Trump before 392 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:24,360 Speaker 2: the election. Federal prosecutors say the alleged would be assassin 393 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 2: is believed to be in Iran and remains at large, 394 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:29,680 Speaker 2: Prosecutors said, here's the beginning of the article. The Iranian 395 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 2: government ordered an operative to assassinate Donald Trump before the 396 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 2: twenty twenty four election, Manhattan Federal prosecutors said Friday, the 397 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:39,679 Speaker 2: latest in a string of assassination plots directed at the 398 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 2: former and future president in recent months. Prosecutors charged Farhad 399 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 2: Shakiri with murder for hire and providing material support to 400 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:50,639 Speaker 2: foreign terrorist organization. He is believed to be in Iran 401 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 2: and remains at large, Prosecutors said. The article continues quote. 402 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:58,119 Speaker 2: According to a criminal complaint unsealed in Manhattan Federal Court, 403 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 2: Kiri said during fb I interview that in September he 404 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:06,879 Speaker 2: was directed by the Revolutionary Guard Corps of Iran to 405 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:11,919 Speaker 2: surveil and kill Trump, whom the charging papers identify as 406 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 2: victim for. When Shakiri told an IRGC official that doing 407 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 2: so would prove expensive, the official responded that money's not 408 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 2: an issue, which Shakiri understood to mean that the IRGC 409 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 2: had previously spent a significant sum of money on efforts 410 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 2: to murder victim four and was willing to continue spending 411 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:32,680 Speaker 2: a lot of money in its attempt to procure victims 412 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 2: for assassination. According to the charging papers. So there's literally 413 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:42,159 Speaker 2: a Department of Justice indictments specifically against an assassin for 414 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 2: attempting to murder Trump. There also, by the way, was 415 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 2: a separate assassin who was arrested for renting an apartment 416 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,120 Speaker 2: next to John Bolton, an Iranian assassin that was there 417 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 2: to murder Trump's former national security advisor. And as I noted, 418 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:59,359 Speaker 2: the Iranians put out an entire video, a minute and 419 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 2: a half video. It's an animated video that shows Donald 420 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 2: Trump playing golf and shows the Iranians using a drone 421 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 2: attack to kill him. All of that is is objectively true, 422 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,879 Speaker 2: and yet Tucker says, I've never heard a word of it. 423 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 2: I don't know anything about this, and I want to. 424 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 2: I want to play this video right here. This is 425 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:20,639 Speaker 2: in Farsi, but but I want to play it, and 426 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 2: then I'm going to tell you what what what he's saying. 427 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 2: So give a listen. 428 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:37,159 Speaker 5: Well, I mean, mckinzio in. 429 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:50,880 Speaker 1: So let's just be queer. That's the IRGC commander live 430 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 1: on Islamic Republic of Iran state TV and tell people 431 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:56,639 Speaker 1: what he just said. 432 00:22:56,840 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 2: Well, his name is Amir Ali hadjes Zade. He's the 433 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 2: commander of the IRGC. He's on national television and he says, 434 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 2: quote God willing will be able to kill Trump, Pompeo, 435 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 2: General McKenzie, and other US commanders. That's on TV now. 436 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 2: Tucker spent the entire interview denying that Iran was trying 437 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 2: to kill President Trump. That's objectively false. Facts matter, And bizarrely, 438 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:25,920 Speaker 2: he said, well, if that fact was true, he thought 439 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:29,199 Speaker 2: we should immediately attack Iran and we should nuw Kran. Well, no, 440 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 2: that's not the case. We should not Knukran, but we 441 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:34,880 Speaker 2: should do what President Trump is doing right now, which 442 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 2: is support Israel in taking out Iran's nuclear capability and 443 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:42,120 Speaker 2: their senior military leadership. That actually makes sense. And I'll 444 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 2: tell you that. The day after our interview aired, President 445 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 2: Trump was asked about the conflict between me and Tucker 446 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,159 Speaker 2: in the Oval office. And here give a listen to 447 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 2: the back and forth President Trump had in the Oval 448 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:54,399 Speaker 2: with a reporter. 449 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 4: Can you see the Tucker Carlson and Senator Ted Cruz interview. 450 00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,159 Speaker 2: It seems like this issue on whether or not the 451 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 2: United States strike is kind of dividing a lot of 452 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 2: your supporters. 453 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:08,680 Speaker 3: No, my supporters are for me. My supporters are America first. 454 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,680 Speaker 3: They make America great again. My supporters don't want to 455 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 3: see around have a nuclear weapon. Tucker's a nice guy. 456 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 3: He called apologized the other day because he thought he 457 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:21,400 Speaker 3: said things a little bit too strong, and I appreciated that. 458 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 3: And Ted Cruise is a nice guy. I mean, he's 459 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 3: been with me for a long time. I'd say once 460 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:27,640 Speaker 3: the race was over, he's been with me ever since. 461 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,879 Speaker 5: Right, but very simple. 462 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 3: If they think that it's okay for Iran to have 463 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 3: a nuclear weapon, then they should oppose me. But nobody 464 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:38,680 Speaker 3: thinks it's okay. 465 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,679 Speaker 1: This goes back to the very beginning and why I 466 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:46,640 Speaker 1: think Tucker was so hostile. He wanted a distraction from 467 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 1: the fact that he had messed up with Trump. He 468 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,640 Speaker 1: had to call Trump and apologize, and he thought, all right, 469 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,120 Speaker 1: if I just go after Ted Cruz, maybe that'll fix 470 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 1: all my problems. I don't think it worked well. 471 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,399 Speaker 2: And look, the reason that that Tucker had to apologize 472 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 2: to Trump is that he had been publicly blasting Trump. 473 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 2: He said Trump was complicit in Israel's war, and he 474 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,880 Speaker 2: said he said what Trump was doing was not America first. 475 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 2: And President Trump tweeted out and said, look, I'm the 476 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,719 Speaker 2: one who created America first, and I decide what it is. 477 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,119 Speaker 2: And allowing Iran to have a nuclear weapon that is 478 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 2: not America first. And that's exactly what President Trump said 479 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 2: in the oval. You know what's amazing. We've laid out 480 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 2: the facts that is undisputed, by the way, out of 481 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 2: one hundred senators, all one hundred degree, that Iran is 482 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:35,639 Speaker 2: trying to murder President Trump, even the looniest, even Bernie Sanders, 483 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 2: even Elizabeth Warren doesn't dispute that Iran is trying to 484 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,440 Speaker 2: murder Trump because it's an objective fact. I've laid them out, 485 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 2: those facts out repeatedly. You know, Tucker has not responded 486 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 2: once to that. He has not said, oh I was 487 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 2: wrong on that. He hasn't said, oh well, gosh. I said, 488 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 2: if that was the case, we should attack. I ran 489 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 2: immediately in nuke them, which, by the way, to be clear, 490 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 2: we should not. At the end of the day, facts matter, 491 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 2: and the good news is the Commander in chiefs JO 492 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 2: is to be clear eyed and do what is necessary 493 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:06,919 Speaker 2: to keep America safe. President Trump is doing that. I 494 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 2: spoke to him just a few days ago and I said, 495 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 2: mister President, thank you, thank you for standing with Israel, 496 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 2: thank you for standing up for America. Thank you for 497 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 2: defending our servicemen and women. You noticed Iran has not 498 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 2: attacked our servicemen and women because the President has made 499 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 2: clear the consequences would be massive for doing so. And 500 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 2: President Trump right now is being strong and resolute, and 501 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 2: I'm proud to stand with the President that he is 502 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 2: doing exactly the right thing. He is embodying America first, 503 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:35,639 Speaker 2: and he's keeping this country safe. 504 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:41,360 Speaker 1: And there's one big definition that has been coming up, 505 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 1: and I've seen it a lot, and I've been asked about, 506 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 1: especially since it's interview, and it's the argument, are the 507 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 1: word isolationists or isolationism? 508 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 2: What does that mean? 509 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 1: And then your thoughts on it, Senator, so people understand it, 510 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 1: but also what is your foreign policies so people to 511 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 1: understand you're not an isolationist and you're not one of 512 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,439 Speaker 1: those it's like, hey, let's go to war everywhere we 513 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:04,920 Speaker 1: can't either. 514 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly right. And this is something we talked 515 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 2: about quite a bit in the in the the interview 516 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 2: with Tucker Carlson, and and when he wasn't screaming at me, 517 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 2: and it wasn't a mud mess. We actually laid out 518 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 2: some really important basic philosophy on foreign policy. Look, historically, 519 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 2: there have been two polls in Republican foreign policy. On 520 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,160 Speaker 2: the one side, you've had the interventionists. They've been people 521 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:35,120 Speaker 2: like John McCain, people like Lindsey Graham, who who are 522 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:39,200 Speaker 2: eager to use US military force, who are frequently advocating 523 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 2: for a robust, robust use of military force. On the 524 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 2: other pole, you have the isolationist and the most notable 525 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 2: of those are Ron Paul and Rand Paul and Tucker Carlson, 526 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 2: I think is now emphatically in that category as well. 527 00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,359 Speaker 2: And their view is that that that America should withdraw 528 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,159 Speaker 2: from the world, that we have two giant oceans on 529 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 2: both sides, and we should not employ the military. As 530 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 2: Tucker said in an earlier clip we played, we should 531 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 2: never kill anybody, which which means our military should never 532 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 2: engage with our enemies. I've always considered, and most people 533 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 2: look at that and say, Okay, you got to be 534 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 2: one or the other. I've always thought both views were wrong. 535 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 2: I disagree with both. I disagree with interventionists, I disagree 536 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 2: with isolationist. I consider myself a third point on the triangle. 537 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 2: I consider myself a non interventionist hawk. Now what does 538 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 2: that mean. It means that I am exceptionally reluctant to 539 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 2: you at use US military force. We should have a 540 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 2: very high threshold for sending our sons and daughters into harms. Way, 541 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 2: we should not engage in unnecessary wars. But and this 542 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 2: is a very important butt, the touchstone for all foreign 543 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:58,480 Speaker 2: policy and military action should be the vital national security 544 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 2: interest of the United States. So I opposed the Iraq War. 545 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 2: The Iraq War under George W. Bush, I think was 546 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 2: a mistake. It ended up making America less safe. We 547 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 2: toppled a dictator, Saddam Hussein, who was killing radical Islamic 548 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 2: terrorist and what happened. The radical Islamic terrorists took over 549 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 2: and they began killing Americans. That was bad. I also 550 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 2: oppose what happened in Libya. Kadafi was another dictator. He 551 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 2: was killing radical Islamic terrorists. We toppled Kadafi and the 552 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 2: radical Islamic terrorists took over and began killing Americans. That 553 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 2: was bad. The touchstone should be does this make America 554 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 2: more safe? Does this protect Americans? And the reason I 555 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 2: believe that President Trump is exactly right to support Israel 556 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 2: in stopping Iran's nuclear weapons capability. Is because Iran with 557 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 2: a nuclear weapon poses a clear threat to the safety 558 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 2: and security of America, a clear threat of murdering a 559 00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 2: vast number of Americans. That's why Israel is acting, That's 560 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 2: why President Trump is acting. And I'll point out ben 561 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 2: when I say non interventionist talk, that's a fancy way 562 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 2: of saying what President Reagan referred to as peace through strength. 563 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 2: Be strong enough that your enemies don't want to mess 564 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 2: with you. If you want to avoid war, be strong. 565 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,920 Speaker 2: When you're weak, when you're isolationist, you end up with 566 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 2: more war because your enemies are aggressive because they know 567 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 2: you're weak. It is also, I believe exactly what President 568 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 2: Trump's foreign policy is. It's what he has done consistently. 569 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,480 Speaker 2: And I agree with President Trump's foreign policy, and I 570 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 2: will say that that's true on Iran, that's true on Israel, 571 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 2: but it's also true on Russia. And I want you 572 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 2: to listen to a back and forth that Tucker and 573 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 2: I had on Russia, because that's another area where clarity 574 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 2: is valuable. And here give a listen. 575 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 4: Don't think that Putin loves us. I'm distressed by the 576 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 4: moral condition of most leaders around the world. 577 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 2: Most of them. They all kill people. 578 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 4: I'm against that. 579 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 2: I'm just saying I wish to focus here with more 580 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,400 Speaker 2: I say something. I actually don't agree with that statement. 581 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 2: They all kill people. There's a moral relativism. So I 582 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 2: don't think Donald Trump is a murderer. He doesn't kill people. 583 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,720 Speaker 2: We don't have customer Donald Trump murderer. And you just 584 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 2: said world leaders all kill people, and there's a moral relativism. 585 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,239 Speaker 2: I'm hardly a moral relative, but you are. 586 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 4: You just that statement was the estimated semi and isolation 587 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 4: moral relatives. 588 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 2: Okay, No, do you just say world leaders all. 589 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:29,240 Speaker 4: Killed saying I'm against killing people in general? So and 590 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,480 Speaker 4: hyperventilating about how Putin was in the KGB or whatever. 591 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 4: I just want to serve American interest and pushing him 592 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 4: to China is not in our interest in it. 593 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 2: And you helped it, and you haven't apologized. And by 594 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 2: the way, you're the cheerleader. I helped drive him into China. 595 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 2: It's an empleite lie. 596 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 4: You funded the war against him. 597 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 2: No, I authored the legislation that shut down Nordstream too, 598 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 2: that prevented the war and if Trump had still been 599 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 2: in the White House, we would have had the war. 600 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 2: And look the comment you made, the reason things like 601 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 2: moral relativism are so dangerous. Oh, everyone kills people. No, 602 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:02,480 Speaker 2: there is a difference relative. We don't have concentration camps. 603 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 2: We don't torture and murder people. You look at China 604 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 2: where they've got a million prisoners in concentration camps. You 605 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 2: look at Putin where he's got prisoners in Siberia. He 606 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 2: tortures and murders his political opponents. Donald Trump doesn't do that. 607 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 2: America doesn't do that. And by the way, countries don't 608 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 2: do that. I see the game. It's like you're the rest. 609 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 2: I'm distressed. Now I'm responding with facts. You don't like 610 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 2: the facts. I don't even know what facts you're talking about. 611 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 2: I'm not saying that Trump puts people in concentration camps. 612 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,640 Speaker 2: I can't paign for Trump. I love Trump, so did I. Okay, 613 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 2: so this is something with Trump. 614 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 4: I'm merely saying, you druve some more emphasis on what's 615 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 4: happening inside the country. 616 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,000 Speaker 2: That's it. Is there a moral difference between America and 617 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:47,959 Speaker 2: our enemies in America? And what is it articulated invaluable 618 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 2: to say why. 619 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 1: Wow, And I think that's one of the biggest differences 620 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 1: between you and Tiger Carlson right there in that conversation. 621 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:55,480 Speaker 3: Yeah. 622 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,200 Speaker 2: Look, he would not say that Putin was a bad guy. 623 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 2: He would not say that that that President Trump was 624 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,640 Speaker 2: right to take out General Solimani. He would not say 625 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 2: that President Trump was right to take out Al Baghdaddy, 626 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 2: the head of ISIS. He would not say that President 627 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 2: Trump was right to take out Isis's caliphe and here, 628 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,960 Speaker 2: I want you to listen to this. Additionally, back and 629 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 2: forth we had on Russia. Say, I don't understand for 630 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 2: some reason, you are really invested in defending Russian I 631 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 2: don't get that. I'm not attacking you with that. I'm 632 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 2: genuinely like, I don't get why you're so passionate about 633 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 2: defending Rusger. 634 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 1: I mean, wow, Senator, the laughing at the end by 635 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:36,600 Speaker 1: him just because you were killing him with the facts 636 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,320 Speaker 1: really sums up the entire two hour interview. 637 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 2: In my opinion, it was an odd thing because he 638 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,480 Speaker 2: would say things that were just wildly untrue. He'd said, 639 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:48,360 Speaker 2: every world leader kills people, and no, it is not equivalent. 640 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,120 Speaker 2: Donald Trump is not equivalent to Vladimir Putin. And that's 641 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 2: frankly something that left to say, and unfortunately isolationists on 642 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,960 Speaker 2: the right say it as well, and it's simply not true. 643 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,960 Speaker 2: You know, we were having this interview in my office 644 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:05,000 Speaker 2: and the dominant feature in my office is a gigantic 645 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 2: painting of Ronald Reagan in front of the Brandenburg Gate. 646 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:11,359 Speaker 2: And above him in German are the words tear down 647 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,960 Speaker 2: this wall in the style of the graffiti. I think 648 00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,600 Speaker 2: those are the most important words uttered in modern times, 649 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 2: and they call for the importance of American leadership. Now, 650 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 2: as I make clear this interview, I don't want us 651 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 2: to be at war with Russia. We should not be 652 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,359 Speaker 2: at war with Russia. But it doesn't mean we need 653 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,120 Speaker 2: to be cheerleaders for Russia, that we need to be 654 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 2: cutting essentially infomercials for Russian grocery stores. We ought to 655 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 2: speak the truth and the bully pulpit of the presidency 656 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 2: is incredibly powerful, and I got to say again, President 657 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,160 Speaker 2: Trump is doing that beautifully. The entire point of this 658 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 2: interview was for me to make absolutely clear that on Israel, 659 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:48,680 Speaker 2: on Iran, President Trump is right and Tucker Carlson is wrong. 660 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 2: And we stand with Israel and we will keep the 661 00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:53,320 Speaker 2: American people safe. 662 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:57,160 Speaker 1: Don't forget we do this show Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, 663 00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,920 Speaker 1: and make sure that subscriber auto download button wherever you 664 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,319 Speaker 1: get your podcasts so you do not miss an episode. 665 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,920 Speaker 1: And also tomorrow on Saturday, we'll have the week in review, 666 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:08,880 Speaker 1: some of the top things we talked about this past 667 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:10,600 Speaker 1: week that you may have missed, so make sure you 668 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:12,600 Speaker 1: listen to that as well. And the Senator I will 669 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 1: see you back here Saturday morning.