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Speaker 3: My name is Robert Lamb and I am Joe McCormick,

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Speaker 3: and every so often on the Stuff to Blow Your

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Speaker 3: So let's see, Rob, are you good? If we kick

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Speaker 3: things off with responses to our crab bag series.

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Speaker 2: We absolutely should kick off with craps.

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Speaker 3: So this was a recent roundup we did of all

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Speaker 3: kinds of topics related to crabs, crab stuff, biological, behavioral, technological, metaphorical,

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Speaker 3: and spiritual. And this series was in part requested by

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Speaker 3: a listen our listener, Hannah, who did get in touch

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Speaker 3: after we started the series with an email subject line

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Speaker 3: OMG OMG OMG crabs and then the body just said

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Speaker 3: thank you, So you're welcome, Hannah. But I figure I'm

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Speaker 3: going to kick things off after this with a message

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Speaker 3: from Hugh and this is responding to our story about

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Speaker 3: the miracle crab of Saint Francis Xavier, which, according to legend,

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Speaker 3: took hold of a crucifix that had been lost in

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Speaker 3: a storm at sea, and then brought that crucifix, raised

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Speaker 3: in its claws, back to its owner, Saint Francis, once

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Speaker 3: he had landed on shore. So, Hugh says, dear Robert,

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Speaker 3: Joe and JJ, do you think Xavier's crab booked it

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Speaker 3: that entire way or was maybe a relay situation. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I didn't think about that. The crabs are working together.

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Speaker 3: That did come up later, and actually later in the

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Speaker 3: first episod, right, the question of whether crabs are ever

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I guess this comes into the

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Speaker 2: imagined religious views of crabs. Are the crabs of the ocean?

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Speaker 2: who would do this? Or is this one crab an outlier?

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Speaker 2: Are the rest of the crabs like atheist crabs? And

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Speaker 2: this one crab has become faithful and participates in this miracle.

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Speaker 3: That one Catholic crab the one that will go and

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Speaker 3: preach to the nations of crabs. Yeah. Oh, and I

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Speaker 3: forgot to set this up. But in this email, Hugh

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Speaker 3: also makes reference to something where in this classic Renaissance

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Speaker 3: on shore, the crab is holding the crucifix up in

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Speaker 2: Tom Young, the artist who did the famous poster, by

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Speaker 3: It's a classic, even if it does give a different

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Speaker 3: instead of like, you know, you're supposed to be kind

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Speaker 3: Hugh makes reference to that part of the episode, saying, also,

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Speaker 3: I had always seen that Star Wars poster as an

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Speaker 3: the painting you referenced. Congratulations on the Netflix gig. Thanks, huh,

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Speaker 3: You're all doing a great job, Hugh. So, I actually

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I've never really attempted to put any of

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Speaker 2: it in words concerning Frank Fazeta, but you know, I've

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Speaker 2: been I've been a fan of Frank Vizzeta for ages,

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Speaker 2: so I keep bombarding myself with images of his and

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Speaker 2: And sometimes those human forms are not even wearing loincloths

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Speaker 2: but there is a sense of like culmination and rising

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, so yeah, very much concerned with strength

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And it is a style that is so attached

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Speaker 3: Sometimes I think, like, if I had a billion dollars,

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Speaker 3: get that air brushed out real good. But yeah, anyways,

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Speaker 3: so I h I was like, wait a minute, did

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Speaker 3: Good question? So I googled Frank Frizzetta crab. Did not

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Speaker 3: find anything that looked authentic. There were some grotesque looking,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to be on the lookout now because again

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Speaker 2: I regularly bombard myself with for Zetta images, So if

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Speaker 2: here and listeners. If you know of a Frank Fazzeta

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Speaker 2: crab work, send it in. Yeah. This is fun because

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Speaker 2: I was just the other day. I was looking through

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Speaker 2: some titles for some Clark Ashton Smith short stories and

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Speaker 2: in the plot, and I've never read it before. So

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Speaker 2: crabs crabs await us everywhere, even in places we thought

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Speaker 3: Was it called like the Magic of Crabs or Master

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Speaker 3: of Crabs? Master of Crabs?

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Speaker 2: So I think it's dueling wizards and crabs, but I

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Speaker 2: haven't I haven't read it yet, but it's it's cue up.

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Speaker 3: Dear God, it's made for me. Well, I'm going to

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Speaker 3: go read it whenever I get a chance. Here, let's see, Rob,

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Speaker 3: do you want to do this message from Nathan?

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Speaker 2: Yes? Uh oh this yeah, I'm going in cold on

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Speaker 2: this one. I did not read this one when it

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Speaker 2: came in, got lost in the shuffle. But Nathan comes

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Speaker 2: at us with the subject why is a raven like

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Speaker 2: a writing desk? This is a reference. I forget even

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Speaker 2: how this came up.

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Speaker 3: But I've actually got a note about this.

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Speaker 2: Okay, good, good, Yeah, I'll start reading and then you

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Speaker 2: can jump in with clarification. Okay, Dear Rob, Joe and JJ.

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Speaker 2: At the end of part four of your Crab brag

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Speaker 2: Bag Crab grab Bag episodes, you brought up the question

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Speaker 2: why is a raven like a writing desk? As an

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Speaker 2: example of a riddle with no clear answer, as if

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Speaker 2: it were designed to start arguments.

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Speaker 3: So I also at first couldn't remember how we got there,

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Speaker 3: and I had to look it up. But this came

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Speaker 3: up because you were talking about Japanese folk tales in

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Speaker 3: to guess crab, but they usually don't. And this led

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Speaker 3: to us talking about whether nefarious crabs of some kind

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Speaker 3: to get people confused and make them waste a lot

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Speaker 2: At least that's the way I always thought of it. Again,

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Speaker 2: this is a This just pops up in the last Unicorn,

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Speaker 2: if I remember correctly, Yeah, yeah, And then Nathan goes

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Speaker 2: The Last Unicorn, but this riddle originally comes from Alice's

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Speaker 2: Adventures in Wonderland, Okay, written by Lewis Carroll in eighteen

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Speaker 2: sixty five. The Mad Hatter asked this of Alice during

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Speaker 2: the Mad Tea party. He doesn't wait for an answer

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Speaker 2: the answer later, he replies, I haven't the slightest idea.

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Speaker 2: See now, I'm wondering if it actually is in the

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Speaker 2: Last Unicorn, and if I'm not misremembering something from Alice

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Speaker 2: we'll come back around to The Last Unicorn on Weird

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Speaker 2: House Cinema at some point in the future, so we'll

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Speaker 2: figure that out then. Okay, But anyway, more answers from

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Speaker 2: Nathan here he continues. According to The nit Alice by

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Speaker 2: Martin Gardner, Carol wrote the riddle with no answer in mind,

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Speaker 2: but that didn't stop many readers from suggesting their own.

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Speaker 2: There are too many proposed solutions to list in full.

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Speaker 2: But here are some better ones. Okay, here we.

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Speaker 3: Go, or some better I think, better known ones.

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Speaker 2: Better known ones, yes, yeah, okay, this one from Sam

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Speaker 2: Lloyd because Poe wrote on both that's good. Okay, yeah, yeah, okay,

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Speaker 2: for a second. Both have inky quills. Hmm yeah, okay, yeah,

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Speaker 2: or maybe all right. One is a rest for pins.

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Speaker 2: The other is a pest for wrens with a w Okay,

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Speaker 2: that's clever. That's clever. That one does a few backflips

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Speaker 2: lillly Fusian hallucinations. My dad has experienced them. He would

431
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Speaker 2: sometimes go walking at dusk or night, and he has

432
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Speaker 2: fairly bad eyesight. Not sure walking at night was the

433
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,679
Speaker 2: best idea. He doesn't do it anymore. He said that

434
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Speaker 2: if he could make out something like a leaf or

435
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:47,640
Speaker 2: a stick, he would see little people crawling on them

436
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:50,359
Speaker 2: and dancing. I had already heard of these types of

437
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,200
Speaker 2: hallucinations before and told him it was probably not serious

438
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,719
Speaker 2: and not to worry too much. I should ask him

439
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 2: if he still ever experiences them. Truly wonderful, wonderful episodes

440
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Speaker 2: late you still find interesting topics and continue to be

441
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 2: delightful and entertaining after so many years.

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Speaker 3: The very best renat Thank you, Ranata. Yeah, that's interesting,

443
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,440
Speaker 3: and that would match with a lot of the research

444
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:16,880
Speaker 3: we were looking at where Liliputian hallucinations, apart from being

445
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Speaker 3: triggered by consuming this particular mushroom in China, a common

446
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,880
Speaker 3: way people get to these seems to be conditions affecting

447
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:29,920
Speaker 3: the eye sight, like degeneration of eyesight or low light conditions.

448
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 3: Things that affect the vision itself in some way sometimes

449
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Speaker 3: lead to Liliputian hallucinations.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so yeah. I absolutely love this bit of feedback,

451
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Speaker 2: and we love in any time we can get this

452
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 2: kind of like in the field response, you know, first

453
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 2: or secondhand, really really helps us understand the topics a

454
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Speaker 2: lot more, and I think helps illustrate it for listeners

455
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Speaker 2: as well.

456
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Speaker 3: Okay, I think I'm going to do a couple of

457
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:57,200
Speaker 3: these messages about gold paint, if that's good with you, Rob, Yeah, yeah.

458
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Speaker 3: So in the last Listener Mail episode, read a message

459
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Speaker 3: that was following up on a thread about whether a

460
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Speaker 3: person will suffocate if they are painted gold like in

461
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Speaker 3: the movie Goldfinger. This originally came up in passing on

462
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Speaker 3: an episode about the Twilight Zone episode the Rip van

463
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Speaker 3: Winkle Caper, and because it was just kind of a

464
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Speaker 3: side comment, we actually hadn't researched the answer, but I

465
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Speaker 3: guessed that the answer was no, that would not happen

466
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Speaker 3: because humans don't actually significantly breathe through their skin. We

467
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 3: breathe through our lungs. But then on the Listener Mail

468
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Speaker 3: episode after that, a listener named Brian got in touch

469
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Speaker 3: to share a story from history in which a chronicler

470
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Speaker 3: of the Medichi family from the sixteenth century claimed, and

471
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Speaker 3: this was Brian's description. So, in Brian's words, quote, Pope

472
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Speaker 3: Leo the tenth, a Medichi and arguably the worst pope

473
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Speaker 3: of all time, had a boy painted fully painted in

474
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Speaker 3: gold to celebrate the Pope's return to Florence. The boy

475
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Speaker 3: died mere days later. I'm sure the I'm sure paint

476
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Speaker 3: in the sixteenth was highly questionable in and of itself,

477
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 3: so presumably any of the substances in the paint could

478
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 3: have been the cause. But yes, we do have death

479
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Speaker 3: by gold paint.

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Speaker 2: Well, this makes me feel a lot better, because you know,

481
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Speaker 2: I was doubting the gold finger thing, and I was like,

482
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Speaker 2: what else did I learn from bond films that I

483
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:21,919
Speaker 2: now have to unlearn? So this I can breathe a

484
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Speaker 2: sigh of relief.

485
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Speaker 3: Here the most factual factual of all cannons. Yeah, but

486
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 3: then we talked about, Okay, so we don't know if

487
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 3: this historical story is actually true, but assuming it is true,

488
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Speaker 3: my guess was still probably that if this boy died,

489
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Speaker 3: it would be from something other than suffocation. I mean,

490
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Speaker 3: you could die from other things, yeah, like toxic chemicals

491
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Speaker 3: in the paint, or very likely actually from overheating, because

492
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Speaker 3: you know, this prevents you from like sweating and letting

493
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Speaker 3: heat out through your skin. But again, we breathe mostly

494
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 3: through our lungs, not through our skin, so it didn't

495
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Speaker 3: seem like suffocation would be the most likely explanation. But

496
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Speaker 3: of course, you know, as always, were open to contradictory evidence.

497
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 3: So we joked then about whether the MythBusters had ever

498
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,959
Speaker 3: tried to sort this out and whether such an attempt

499
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 3: would would have involved painting Jamie Gold. Wouldn't you know?

500
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 3: The joke scenario that we conjured up actually happened on

501
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:18,919
Speaker 3: the show and multiple listeners got in touch to let

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Speaker 3: us know. So this is from Karen. Karen says, Hi,

503
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Speaker 3: Robert and Joe. On your recent listener mail episode Lamerte,

504
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Speaker 3: you further discussed the possibility of death being caused by

505
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Speaker 3: being covered in gold paint, then offhandedly suggested that the

506
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 3: MythBusters may have done it, including joking did they paint

507
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 3: Jamie Gold? Yes to both, They did indeed test this

508
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 3: myth by painting Jamie with gold paint. The plan was

509
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Speaker 3: to cover him in paint and have him run on

510
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 3: a treadmill. However, after the latex paint was applied, Jamie

511
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 3: started to show a significant negative reaction. To everyone's surprise,

512
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,880
Speaker 3: his blood pressure shot up and he reported feeling generally

513
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 3: ill and lightheaded. Two onset ParaMed two onset paramedics strongly

514
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,919
Speaker 3: advised him not to do any strenuous exercise and remove

515
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 3: the paint immediately. The conclusion was that covering the skin

516
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 3: with latex paint caused him to overheat and subsequently feel

517
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 3: ill and stressed in various ways. The episode also featured

518
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Speaker 3: Shirley Eton, the actor who who portrayed the gold painted

519
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 3: woman in Goldfinger. Apparently there's an urban legend that she

520
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,439
Speaker 3: died during filming as a result of the paint. She

521
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 3: recounted the experience on set, feeling very hot and strange

522
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 3: while being covered in paint, but definitely not dying. And

523
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 3: then Karen provides a link to the full episode and

524
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 3: talks a bit. Oh, and then says, I didn't write

525
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Speaker 3: in after you discussed this in the original episode because

526
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 3: I assumed many other people would bystander effect here. So

527
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Speaker 3: I'm writing in now in case any in case everyone

528
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 3: else is suffering from a listener male version of the

529
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Speaker 3: bystander effect. Oh, I preempted you. Yeah, sorry, Thanks for

530
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Speaker 3: the fantastic podcast, Karen.

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Speaker 2: There you go that. Yeah, we we just we joked

532
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 2: that this this had possibly happened, and it had happened.

533
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Speaker 2: I'm glad nobody died though.

534
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Speaker 3: Yeah. So sounds like it could very well be lethal,

535
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 3: but not by the mechan probably not by the mechanism

536
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 3: usually used to explain it, but that doesn't make it

537
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 3: any less dangerous.

538
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, putting a strong do not attempt at home warning

539
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 2: on this one.

540
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 3: Yeah. Uh. And then also listener Lex wrote in to

541
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Speaker 3: share this information, noting that the myth was tested not

542
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 3: once actually, but twice on MythBusters because they came back

543
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 3: to it in one of their revisited episodes where they

544
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 3: painted the other guy gold. They painted Adam gold also

545
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 3: because you both got to get painted gold.

546
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Speaker 2: Once, okay, so that the on site medics were like, Okay,

547
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 2: you can do it one more time. All right.

548
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 3: Well, that suggests to me that it's, you know, not advisable,

549
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 3: but not so incredibly dangerous that they wouldn't wouldn't try it.

550
00:29:58,120 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, but still do not attempt.

551
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right.

552
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 2: This one, next one that comes to us from Joe.

553
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 2: This one. This one's pretty fun. This is a response

554
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 2: to a recent artifact Shorty episode Having to do It

555
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 2: is really the second artifact Shorty that I've done on

556
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 2: gadget canes. And if you didn't listen to that one

557
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 2: or the older one, go back. But basically it comes

558
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 2: down to the fact that sword canes became popular essentially

559
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 2: because wearing an open weapon became kind of frowned upon,

560
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 2: so like hide that lethal blade. And then people got

561
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 2: into putting all sorts of things in their canes as

562
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 2: a gimmick, you know, like little things like they would

563
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 2: often line up with your occupation. Like I covered a

564
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 2: fiddle that was hidden in a cane. It's not a

565
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 2: good fiddle, it's it's just a novelty. But you can

566
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 2: imagine a scenario where oh, you know, he likes to

567
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 2: play the fiddle, he needs a cane. Now he has

568
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 2: a fiddle cane and it's what it was fashionable.

569
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, got a dental drill cane.

570
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,479
Speaker 2: Or yeah, all sorts of stuff and then we talked.

571
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 2: We talked. Was a Benjamin Franklin and had a practical application.

572
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 2: He had oil and in his cane at what a

573
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 2: bamboo walking stick? Oh yeah, so sometimes there's a semi

574
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 2: practical reason for it. But anyway, listener, Joe writes in

575
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 2: and says, love your artifacts episode on the myriad use

576
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 2: of canes for discrete purposes. As a blind man that

577
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 2: uses a white cane to orient and maneuver through the world,

578
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 2: I like to share a tidbit with curious individuals asking

579
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Speaker 2: about my stick. I let them know how the white

580
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 2: cane is actually recognized as a protected federally regulated safety device,

581
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,959
Speaker 2: and because of such, my cane is allowed to have

582
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 2: a small three inch retractable blade in the top in

583
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 2: the handle all white canes do. And invariably when they

584
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 2: ask me really, I tell them no, not really. But hey,

585
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 2: please help me propagate this rumor because maybe you'll help.

586
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 2: You'll be helping keep a blind or visually impaired safe

587
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 2: person safe. One day, some mugger remembers hearing the Old

588
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 2: wives tale of blind guys with knives in their canes. Anyway,

589
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 2: thought it was appropriate and wanted to share all the best.

590
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 3: Thank you, Joe. That's a good strategy. Yeah, so the

591
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 3: doubt and the fun jet I like that. All right,

592
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 3: let's do a few responses to our Polywater series. This

593
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 3: was a series of episodes we did in January about

594
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 3: a revolutionary physical substance called polywater, which a bunch of

595
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 3: people in the nineteen sixties and early seventies became convinced

596
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Speaker 3: did exist, but which it later turned out definitely did

597
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 3: not exist. Polywater was supposedly a polymer like arrangement of

598
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Speaker 3: water which took on a jellied or wax like consistency

599
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 3: at room temperature, but again, of course, it never existed,

600
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 3: and by the early to mid seventies, skeptical scientists had

601
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 3: proved that it was largely the product of just contaminated

602
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 3: experimental samples. And this historical saga led into a discussion

603
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 3: on our show about a concept known as pathological science.

604
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 3: So we got into the question of how researchers can

605
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 3: be led into delusion and compounding error like a paper

606
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 3: talking about common features of programs that go haywire in

607
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Speaker 3: this way, and then we also did a segment about

608
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 3: historical cases of scientific research containment panic when people get

609
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 3: the idea for valid reasons or not a lot of

610
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Speaker 3: times not for valid reasons, but sometimes with legitimate cause

611
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Speaker 3: for concern, when they get the idea that a specific

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Speaker 3: research program will lead to worldwide calamity if pursued or

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Speaker 3: if it gets out of hand. This was related to

614
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Speaker 3: polywater because some researchers in the late sixties proposed that

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Speaker 3: if a molecule of polywater got out of the lab

616
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Speaker 3: and into the soil or the natural water supply, it

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Speaker 3: would lead to an apocalyptic scenario like the end of

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Speaker 3: Kurt Vonnegut's novel Cat a cat's cradle where all of

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Speaker 3: the world's water is frozen at room temperature and is

620
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Speaker 3: made biologically useless. In this case, we imagined a bizarre

621
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Speaker 3: wax world where all the water is turned to a

622
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:10,800
Speaker 3: waxy consistency. Wouldn't be a good thing to happen. Fortunately,

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Speaker 3: there was no danger of this because again polywater isn't real.

624
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 3: But anyway, one of the research panic episodes that we

625
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 3: talked about in this discussion was when some people got

626
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 3: the idea for not good reasons in this case, that

627
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:29,280
Speaker 3: activation of the Large Hadron Collider at CERN would create

628
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Speaker 3: black holes that would consume planet Earth. And it turned

629
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 3: out physicists had already modeled this and they ruled out.

630
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 3: They ruled that there was no danger of this happening.

631
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 3: But our longtime listener and frequent correspondent Jim gets in

632
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Speaker 3: touch on this subject. This is from Jim in New

633
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 3: Jersey who says, Robert, Joe, and JJ you mentioned the

634
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Speaker 3: concern that the Large Hadron Collider might destroy the Earth.

635
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,800
Speaker 3: Fortunately we can check for that at has the Large

636
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,840
Speaker 3: Hadron Collider destroyed the Earth destroyed the world? Yet dot

637
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Speaker 3: com so they got a dot com domain there not

638
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 3: a dot org. That's interesting, and Jim says, last I checked,

639
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 3: We're good. I went to check this website out, and

640
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Speaker 3: Rabbi attached a screenshot of the homepage as of this morning.

641
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Speaker 3: It's a big black screen with white text that says nope.

642
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 3: And Jim has pointed out some embedded HTML from this

643
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Speaker 3: page that includes I think it's JavaScript saying like if

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00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 3: and then the variable is world has ended right up,

645
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 3: and then you know else write nope the script ends.

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Speaker 3: And then also the page contains some other you know,

647
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Speaker 3: embedded text that says something about if a giant laser

648
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Speaker 3: eyed bunny has destroyed the world, you can email this

649
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 3: email address to get a refund, I guess for a

650
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Speaker 3: refund for being an earthling. I think.

651
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Speaker 2: So.

652
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,959
Speaker 3: I actually didn't figure out what that second thing is about.

653
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Speaker 3: I don't know if the laser eyed bunny is anything,

654
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Speaker 3: or if that's just a mockery of the idea that

655
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Speaker 3: the af Dron collider would destroy the world. But anyway, yes,

656
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Speaker 3: thank you for letting us know, Jim.

657
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Speaker 2: All right, This next one comes to us from Taylor,

658
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Speaker 2: and this is responding to our episode on a let's

659
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Speaker 2: see what do we call this one? It was biophilian

660
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:25,839
Speaker 2: Pokemon or something to that effect. Taylor, Right, Hello, Rob, Joe,

661
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:29,319
Speaker 2: and JJ. Having previously volunteered myself as stuffed to blow

662
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 2: your mind's unofficial Pokemon correspondent, and written multiple listener mails

663
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 2: about Pokemon, recently about the surreal Pokemon god arseius if

664
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 2: I'm I'm not sure I'm pronouncing that one correctly, but

665
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 2: this is a big one. It's central to one of

666
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 2: the video games. I was stoked to see this episode

667
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,959
Speaker 2: arrive in my feed. I am a lifelong Pokemon fan

668
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 2: and a professional naturalist and conservationist. I was born in

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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety six, the same year that the original Pokemon

670
00:36:56,280 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 2: video games were released, making both them and I late malis.

671
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 2: For as long as I can remember, I have been

672
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 2: obsessed with both Pokemon and the natural world. As I

673
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 2: have grown and my interests have evolved, my love of

674
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 2: nature and my love of Pokemon have continually fed into

675
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 2: each other, and I am by no means alone in this.

676
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 2: In my interactions with friends and colleagues in my field,

677
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,280
Speaker 2: I've come to realize that within my generation, the proportion

678
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 2: of zoology professionals, paleontologists, taxonomists, wildlife biologists, and naturalists who

679
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 2: are also Pokemon fans is wildly high. Whether this relationship

680
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 2: is causal or correlative is another question, but I can

681
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 2: confirm from first hand observation that it's very real. I

682
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 2: currently work as a naturalist and educator at the Minnesota

683
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Speaker 2: Minnesota Zoo, where one of my responsibilities is to write

684
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,839
Speaker 2: educational curriculum for summer camps that we host. I am

685
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 2: currently in the process of revising a Pokemon themed zoology

686
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 2: summer camp that the Zoo has been hosting for several years.

687
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 2: This camp is the brain child of several of my

688
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 2: coworkers and I, who suffer, as y'all might put it,

689
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 2: a chronic Pokemon infection. The summer camp is dedicated to

690
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 2: comparing and contrasting the world of Pokemon with our own

691
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 2: natural world, using the Goliath franchise as a springboard to

692
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 2: discuss real world biology and natural diversity. Campers in the

693
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 2: class collect Pokemon in a pokedex they illustrate by observing

694
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 2: their natural world parallels around the zoo, marrying the creature

695
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 2: collecting mechanic of the games with naturalist observations. They also

696
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 2: learn the ways in which real world evolution differs from

697
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 2: evolution in the Pokemon games, pokemon evolution is better likened

698
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:41,760
Speaker 2: to the real world phenomenon of metamorphosis. Quote, Fully evolved

699
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 2: Pokemon lay eggs that hatch into their unevolved states, indicating

700
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 2: that this is an adult slash juvenile relationship. The three

701
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 2: stages of many insects and amphibiuan Pokemon directly mirror real

702
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 2: world examples of metamorphosis. To the credit of these first

703
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 2: and second graders, very few fail to grasp distinction others

704
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 2: mileage may vary, but for me and many scientists and

705
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 2: science educators of my generation, the relationship between Pokemon and

706
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Speaker 2: naturalism is not one of competition, but of beautiful symbiosis.

707
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Speaker 2: I hope you've enjoyed my unapologetically nerdy perspective. I know

708
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,439
Speaker 2: it has a home among the wonderful community surrounding the show.

709
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 2: As ever, thank you so much for your fantastic intersectional

710
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 2: dives into subjects mundane and marvelous. Sincerely, Taylor.

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Speaker 3: Wow, thank you, Taylor. That's great to hear. I mean,

712
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 3: that's funny, that sort of exactly the question we're exploring

713
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 3: in the episode. So you're living it, you are, you

714
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:41,839
Speaker 3: are the phenomenon. And then Rob I don't know whether

715
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 3: you want to get into these, but Taylor included a

716
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Speaker 3: number of postscripts.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's take a look at these postscripts. Some of

718
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 2: these might just be for us. Let's see there is

719
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 2: a he does point out that. Let's see, here's one.

720
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Speaker 2: Joe joked about peach baby Pikachu being an artifact of

721
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 2: our current moment akin to Baby Yoda. Piachu is old

722
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 2: enough to rent a car. This Pokemon has been around

723
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Speaker 2: since the second generation of Pokemon games in nineteen ninety nine.

724
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Speaker 2: We're currently at the end of the ninth generation, anticipating

725
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Speaker 2: the tenth generation this fall of twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 3: I stand corrected, Baby Pikachu is older than Baby Yoda.

727
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Speaker 2: All right, here's another one. I do remember this question

728
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 2: coming up of fish are on fish Pokemon. In the anime,

729
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 2: fish Pokemon generally don't battle out of water when engaging

730
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Speaker 2: in a water battle. In the games, swimming Pokemon swim,

731
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 2: and terrestrial Pokemon fight from inflatable rats. It's very silly

732
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 2: on land fully aquatic Pokemon magically swim through the air levitating.

733
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Speaker 2: We just kind of suspend our disbelief on this one.

734
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Speaker 2: An exception that breaks the fourth wall is the Pokemon

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Speaker 2: Magic Harp, a fish Pokemon known for being completely useless

736
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Speaker 2: see the Magic Carp song in battle. Magic Harp is

737
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Speaker 2: only capable of using the move splash, which it helps

738
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Speaker 2: in which it helplessleave flops around on the ground. This

739
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 2: is the main one I was familiar with because this

740
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 2: was shown to me at some point and it was hilarious.

741
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 2: So I didn't know if they all behaved like magic

742
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:11,800
Speaker 2: Harp or not. But now we have a complete answer.

743
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 3: But wait, I have a long ago memory of some

744
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 3: episodes we did about that involved leaping fish, I think,

745
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 3: and in that we got into the idea of a

746
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 3: myth or a legend, I think a Chinese legend about

747
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 3: the carp that leaps over the rainbow or the carp

748
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Speaker 3: that leaps up the waterfall or something turning into a dragon.

749
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 3: And then I remember a listener got in touch with

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Speaker 3: us to let us know that there is a Pokemon

751
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 3: equivalent of this. There's like, oh, I think it was

752
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 3: magic Harp. I don't know. I'm out of my depth

753
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 3: here because I don't know Pokemon, but that's my memory.

754
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 3: It was magic Harp that leaps over something and turns

755
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 3: into a dragon. Does this ring a bell for you.

756
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, it faintly does, but I do not have a

757
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,760
Speaker 2: strong memory of this. Folks.

758
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 3: We just got an update from our resident Pokemon expert

759
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 3: our producer JJ, who says that yes, Magic Harp does

760
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 3: evolve into the powerful dragon form Pokemon giri Dos. Do

761
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:08,919
Speaker 3: I say that right?

762
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:10,359
Speaker 2: I hope? So? Uh?

763
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 3: And yeah, so uh what I said was at least

764
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 3: partially correct. Okay, update number two, JJ, just let us

765
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 3: know that actually we're gonna get some well actually is

766
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 3: about that because there is such a thing called a

767
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 3: dragon type Pokemon, and gied Doos might not be one

768
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 3: of those. Is maybe like water or something else. So

769
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 3: I'm just making I'm making a mess everywhere I go here.

770
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 2: We just got to get JJ on the mic for

771
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 2: some Pokemon discussions at some point.

772
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 3: Hey, yeah, okay, Rob, do you mind if I read

773
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 3: another message about polywater?

774
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's do it.

775
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 3: Okay. This one is from Tanner, subject line real life Polywater. Greetings, gentlemen,

776
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 3: it's great to see you on the small screen. It's

777
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 3: always interesting to compare what we think people look like

778
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 3: based on their voices and what they actually look like.

779
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 3: I had seen your photos from the Museum of illusions,

780
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:09,399
Speaker 3: but seeing y'all in motion is a little surreal. Lol. Well, yeah,

781
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 3: I hope we can. I hope we're weird enough for you. Man. Yeah,

782
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 3: let's see. Tanner says, I think I have two examples

783
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 3: of polywater, one real, one fictional. The fictional one comes

784
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 3: from the Three Body Problem trilogy by Sitchin lou The End.

785
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 3: It is the dual vector Foil. It's a weapon fired

786
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 3: at solar systems with tech signals by advanced alien species

787
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:37,800
Speaker 3: as a preemptive strike. Once the weapon enters the Solar system,

788
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:41,240
Speaker 3: it expands and accelerates towards and through the Solar System,

789
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 3: collapsing all matter into a lower dimension. Planets become massive discs,

790
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 3: and then rings of color beings caught in it flatten

791
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 3: and freeze, and stars collapse and spoilers for the end

792
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 3: of the trilogy. Well you know, warning, folks, spoilers are incoming.

793
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:02,399
Speaker 3: Since these weapons have infinite range, they eventually convert all

794
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:03,879
Speaker 3: matter into two dimensions.

795
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 2: Oh wow, I did not get that far in the trilogy.

796
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 2: I read the first.

797
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 3: Book and for the real example of polywater. Preons, like

798
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:17,280
Speaker 3: polywater and ice nine. Preons are alternative isomers of healthy

799
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 3: proteins that are capable of spreading themselves by contacting normal molecules,

800
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 3: since they're chemically identical to Since they're chemically identical, the

801
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 3: conditions that cause them to de nature are very similar

802
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:34,839
Speaker 3: to healthy ones, and the new structure is biologically inactive,

803
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:38,760
Speaker 3: if not actively fatal. Thanks for all the insightful content

804
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:43,959
Speaker 3: you produce. Cheers, uh, and let's see. Oh. Tanner also

805
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 3: asks for the discord link. So I assume we sent

806
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 3: it to Tanner, but I.

807
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 2: Will probably did. But if I ever fail to send it,

808
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 2: ask me again. Sometimes sometimes we.

809
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 3: Get a lot of email folks. Yeah, so sometimes we

810
00:44:56,320 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 3: don't get a chance to replies off as we'd like.

811
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 3: So yeah, please, if you don't hear back and you

812
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:05,320
Speaker 3: want the discord link, send it again.

813
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 2: All right, Well, let's go ahead and look at some

814
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 2: weird house cinema listener mail here. Let's see what we have.

815
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,320
Speaker 2: All right, Let's go ahead and read one here from Chris,

816
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:24,240
Speaker 2: subject the Ankle Snatcher. Chris writes, good day, In case

817
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 2: the bugins didn't hit your quota for ankle snatching, I

818
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 2: wanted to recommend a Grady Hendrick short story called The

819
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 2: Ankle Snatcher. I found it in the Best American Science

820
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 2: Fiction and Fantasy twenty twenty four, and it's been haunting

821
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 2: me ever since. Also, it may be too recent for

822
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 2: Weird House Cinema, but I have to recommend a movie

823
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 2: called The Man Who Killed Hitler and then The Bigfoot.

824
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 2: I consider it an honorary Vonnegut story. Best wishes, Chris.

825
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 3: I have not seen that movie, but I've encountered the

826
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 3: title and I was puzzled.

827
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 2: I've heard good things about it. I've also heard that

828
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 2: it's not like it's kind of a goofy sounding title,

829
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 2: and it maybe sounds a little more absurdist than it

830
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 2: actually is. But I've heard good things about it. Okay, Yeah,

831
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 2: and as for the Ankle Scratcher here, if I'm not mistaken,

832
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 2: it looks like some form of adaptation is in the works.

833
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 2: I see it listen on IMDb. I don't know if

834
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 2: that's a film, a short film. Could be a podcast

835
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 2: or a video game for all I know, but maybe

836
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 2: something is brewing in the Ankle Snatcher universe.

837
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, This next message is from Jay, subject

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00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 3: line the Blob. Hi, guys, on your recent Weird House Cinema,

839
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 3: you were asking which blob version you should cover Oh yeah,

840
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 3: the nineteen fifties or sixties one, the older one or

841
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 3: the one from the eighties. Jay says, I think it

842
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 3: would be fun and weird to cover them both in

843
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 3: the same episode. Calm down, Jay, Jay says, keep up

844
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 3: the fantastic work. It sustains a lot of us through

845
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 3: these twisting times. We're trying. We're all trying, Jay. Yea,

846
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 3: but yeah, it's uh. That would be a lot to

847
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 3: do in one episode. The episode weird how someone can

848
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 3: run long even covering one movie, So I think we

849
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 3: would probably break it up into two episodes.

850
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 2: We've only ever successfully done one episode that covered two movies,

851
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 2: and those were like short, silent films as that.

852
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 3: Recalls, yeh oh, where we did Ashen Puttle and The

853
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 3: Mechanical Man.

854
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So for that to work, they need to

855
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 2: be short and have no words in them. So it's

856
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 2: possible we could do something like that again, but not

857
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 2: with two feature length films. That would be crazy.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Rob your pick, select the next one here.

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Speaker 2: Oh, let's say I think we had a one here

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Speaker 2: that I was taken with. Let's say, ah, oh, this

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Speaker 2: one's this one's good. Okay, this one comes to us

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Speaker 2: from Jeff. Jeff says, Hi, guys, big weird House fan here.

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Speaker 2: I love to track down these films to watch before

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Speaker 2: listening to your commentary. Lots of fun. I have a

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Speaker 2: suggestion for you. Millennium nineteen eighty nine. Chris Christofferson is

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Speaker 2: investigating a plane crash when he meets Cheryl Ladd, who

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Speaker 2: is a time traveler from an apocalyptic future. There's lots

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Speaker 2: of weirdness to enjoy, including a freaky looking humanoid robot.

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Speaker 2: This one is directed by Michael Anderson, who did Logan's

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Speaker 2: Run seventy six, another possible candidate for Weird House. Keep

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Speaker 2: up the good work well. Logan's Run seventy six is

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Speaker 2: a favorite of mine and one we may very well

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Speaker 2: come back to. Millennium I've never seen I remember when

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Speaker 2: it came out, and it definitely has a cool cast

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Speaker 2: and the stills look interesting. But I mostly remember this

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Speaker 2: film because of a sketch on The Kids in the

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Speaker 2: Hall in which Scott Thompson's buddy Cole is doing a

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Speaker 2: monologue and he's talking a little bit about differences between

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Speaker 2: Canada and America and talks about the film and TV

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Speaker 2: industry and anyway, there's a where Buddy Cole was talking

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Speaker 2: about having been in Millennium. Scott Thompson, the actor playing

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Speaker 2: Buddy Cole, actually was. So Cole tells us, I'm going

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Speaker 2: to quote the skit here. I'm in this new American picture, Millennium.

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Speaker 2: It's a big budget science fiction thriller starring Cheryl Ladd.

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Speaker 2: You see, one day some American thought, hey, I want

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Speaker 2: to make a terrible movie in Canada. Everybody else has.

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Speaker 2: I play the best friend of the timegate operator. He

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Speaker 2: has one line, but he says it directly to me.

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Speaker 2: This movie is full of Canadian actors with one line.

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Speaker 2: It's great. It won't make a dime.

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Speaker 3: So I want to cry. That's amazing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the main thing that sticks out to me

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Speaker 2: about Millennium. But yeah, we could come back and do Millennium. Plus, hey,

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Speaker 2: Scott Thompson is in it. I love it when there's

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Speaker 2: a you know, a star hidden in there somewhere, or

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Speaker 2: future star if you will.

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Speaker 3: All right, well, this has been a good mailbag, but

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Speaker 3: I think we have to call it there.

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Speaker 2: All right, sounds good, going to go ahead and close it up,

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Speaker 2: but yeah, right in, we would love to hear from

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Speaker 2: you out there again. Just a reminder. Stuff Well in

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