WEBVTT - Learning To Fail With Bear Grylls & BecomingX

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I was trying to think about the most

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<v Speaker 1>adventurous thing I've ever done, and I have to say

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<v Speaker 1>that it's probably something that I've done on a set.

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<v Speaker 1>I've gone to all different kinds of crazy places with

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<v Speaker 1>the gigs that I've had, you know, Whitewater or in

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<v Speaker 1>the zero G airplane for about thirteen and all kinds

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<v Speaker 1>of exotic locations and stuff like that. But nothing, nothing

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<v Speaker 1>that I've done, compares to our guest's life. And I

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<v Speaker 1>have to say that this is the first time that

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<v Speaker 1>a guest on the Six Degrees with Kevin Bacon podcast

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<v Speaker 1>has shown up to the interview soaking wet. But it

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<v Speaker 1>makes a lot of sense because today's guest is Bear Grills.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a fun one. I'm glad you're here, Bear Grills.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so great to meet you. Thank you for being here.

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<v Speaker 2>Likewise likewise, so nice to see you. Sorry to be

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<v Speaker 2>rushing in late. Normally it's a normally well often it's

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<v Speaker 2>quite wind and rainy up here, but I've bought our

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<v Speaker 2>middle boy works in a butcher on the mainland which

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<v Speaker 2>is over there, so but on a day like this

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<v Speaker 2>I have to have.

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<v Speaker 3>To pick him up. I'm a little inflatable.

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<v Speaker 2>So what normally takes me about twenty minutes across like

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<v Speaker 2>two miles across the sea there right, Well it's like this.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean you can't see him at the moment, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's big, old, big old white horses and stuff. So

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<v Speaker 2>we both got absolutely submerged. But he's he's in the shower.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm in my man cave, which is here to my office.

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<v Speaker 2>Never give up, and I'm already all yours are ready

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<v Speaker 2>to go.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, that's fantastic. I love it. This is this

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<v Speaker 1>is this is the best. So just so people know

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<v Speaker 1>you're you were on an island in Wales. You're on

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<v Speaker 1>your island in Wales.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. No, we we.

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<v Speaker 2>Live on this little twenty acre island. It's about two

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<v Speaker 2>miles offshore. We'd put Shara and me and my wife

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<v Speaker 2>bought it when we first got married and I was

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<v Speaker 2>just leaving the military and we were trying to figure out,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, where to live, what to do as a job,

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<v Speaker 2>and all of that stuff, and we almost bought this

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<v Speaker 2>one bedroom apartment in London that we couldn't really afford.

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<v Speaker 2>It was tiny, and a part of my soul was

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<v Speaker 2>to go, oh no, this is this is like, come on,

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<v Speaker 2>there's gonna.

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<v Speaker 3>Be another way.

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<v Speaker 2>And then we found this island for sale. There was

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<v Speaker 2>like it was less than the one bedroom apartment in London.

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<v Speaker 2>It was on a really short lease. It had no power,

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<v Speaker 2>no electricity, no mains water. And we bought it and

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<v Speaker 2>just steadily done it up and made a home and

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<v Speaker 2>our boys.

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<v Speaker 3>We got three boys that you know Elvis.

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<v Speaker 2>One's grown up now, but it's been a huge, wonderful

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<v Speaker 2>part of their life. And we have the wind turbine

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<v Speaker 2>powering everything. Oh, I love you are the best. It's

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<v Speaker 2>is Shara, Hi, how you doing? Hi?

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<v Speaker 1>To meet you in and out?

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<v Speaker 3>That's as good as your gap for as being in

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<v Speaker 3>anything public where she is nice.

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<v Speaker 1>She was clearly interested in meeting me. She was clearly interested.

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<v Speaker 2>She she hates being on anything public, so that's that's

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<v Speaker 2>her thing. But anyway, that's home. And how do you

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<v Speaker 2>get back after this? How do you get back and

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<v Speaker 2>forth to the to the island in a in a

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<v Speaker 2>little little inflatable boat with an outboard engine and yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And so you just got completely swamped today coming across.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Well we have we have he drives a little

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<v Speaker 2>old D class lifeboat. Well, you know, one of the

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<v Speaker 2>really little kind of kill outboards and they use some

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<v Speaker 2>of the on shore rescue stuff. So he's he's seventeen,

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<v Speaker 2>he right, he drives out on his own. And then

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<v Speaker 2>we have a bigger ribbed you know, rigid inflatabul boats

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<v Speaker 2>that we take for you know, some lies and all

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<v Speaker 2>that stuff across.

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<v Speaker 3>And yeah, then we have.

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<v Speaker 2>These which are pretty fun as well, the flight boards,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the flight board hydrofoils.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh sure, they kind of raise up. Yeah, they raise

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<v Speaker 1>up out of the water, right right, right right, They must.

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<v Speaker 1>They must be kind of difficult than choppy water, though,

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<v Speaker 1>are they are they? Yeah? Anyway, they're they're they're they're

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<v Speaker 1>probably they look like they're impossible. I mean, are they

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<v Speaker 1>really hard to learn how to use? I've never used one.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, that they are, they're hard.

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<v Speaker 2>They're one of those things on Instagram when you see

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<v Speaker 2>people bombing around on them. They look so cool and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the music is playing and then the reality

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<v Speaker 2>is cut to me and it's like endless wife outs

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<v Speaker 2>drinking a lot of the North Wales state.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, this is not a disappointing way to meet you.

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<v Speaker 1>It almost it almost feels like it's it's it's almost

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<v Speaker 1>it's almost hard to believe that this isn't a setup,

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<v Speaker 1>since you're out there with the elements, you're running around

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<v Speaker 1>on an island and having to get go back and

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<v Speaker 1>forth in a swamped dinghy. It's it's it's absolutely perfect.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. I was thinking about, uh, when you were

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<v Speaker 1>when you first came in and you were here for

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<v Speaker 1>just a moment, I assumed connecting it. I was about

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<v Speaker 1>to say, hey bear, hey bear. And I had this

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<v Speaker 1>connection to it because we have a farm out in

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<v Speaker 1>the in the country, and just recently we've had this

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<v Speaker 1>kind of influx of bears, so I've been running into

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<v Speaker 1>bears fairly frequently. And and and the other night, my

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<v Speaker 1>wife and I were walking and uh, and there was

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<v Speaker 1>a bear looking right at us. And I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>hey bear, Hello bear, Hello bear. And she's like, what

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<v Speaker 1>are you doing? And I said, That's what I've I've

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<v Speaker 1>always heard you're supposed to do. I don't know, So

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<v Speaker 1>you tell me, is is that correct? Am I? Am?

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<v Speaker 1>I a bear? Correctly?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? You so?

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<v Speaker 1>Well?

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<v Speaker 3>So what do you have black beds around you?

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<v Speaker 1>Black bears? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Think with I think with with black beds made yourself. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what do they say, brown, lie down, black,

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<v Speaker 2>fight back. So if you do get you know, if

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<v Speaker 2>you do get, you know, approached by black babes, make

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<v Speaker 2>lots of noise, make itself big and scary, and generally

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<v Speaker 2>they're they're back away.

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<v Speaker 3>But like like humans.

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<v Speaker 2>Nobody likes to be disturbed when they're eating, when their young,

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<v Speaker 2>or fornicating, you know, those things back away. I'm surprised

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<v Speaker 2>that yet I did. It's a good one. Brown, lie down, back,

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<v Speaker 2>fight black, fight bag. My head is full of so

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<v Speaker 2>many little phrases like this that Mike the Sharha who

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<v Speaker 2>you it's all running away from the camera, says, your

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<v Speaker 2>head's full of all this information that nobody's had this

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<v Speaker 2>this's irrelevant, and I well, it's irrelevant unless your life

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<v Speaker 2>is on the.

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<v Speaker 3>Line, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>There there you go. Let me ask Let me ask

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<v Speaker 1>you about your I'm sure a lot of people ask

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<v Speaker 1>your first name. Let me ask you about your second name.

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<v Speaker 1>The the spelling of which is it's an unusual name.

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<v Speaker 1>I've never I've never seen it before. Is it is

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<v Speaker 1>it Welsh or or or Gaelic or what.

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<v Speaker 2>Kind of way it's actually actually Scottish? Is my ancestry

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<v Speaker 2>is in the Highlands Jesse. We only found out about recently.

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<v Speaker 1>We did a did a.

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<v Speaker 3>BBC show called who Do You Think You Are? Which

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<v Speaker 3>is basically trace. Yeah, there you go.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's funny because for years I've privately at home.

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<v Speaker 2>I never do it public because my family give me

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<v Speaker 2>too much greef. But I always wear a kilt at

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<v Speaker 2>home and I love it. I just you know, run

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<v Speaker 2>around here and you know, shirt off. I've got old

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<v Speaker 2>canvas kilts and I love it. It just feels free

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<v Speaker 2>and and but my family have given me grief for

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<v Speaker 2>years and actually so to find that actually I've got

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<v Speaker 2>this strong Scottish Highland live and also we met sharam

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<v Speaker 2>Me met all those years ago in the mountains in Scotland,

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<v Speaker 2>so it feels like full circle it.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have a Do you have a fondness for

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<v Speaker 1>hagis or or or no?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, actually I do. I love haggis.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean haggis essentially is amazing. It's like all the

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<v Speaker 2>awful and uh you know, from from the from the animals.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm I'm very into like liver and kidney and

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<v Speaker 2>all that stuff. I think it's so so good for

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<v Speaker 2>youidering a.

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<v Speaker 1>Lot of the stuff that you've eaten in the wild,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd say that's a step up for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a step up, and you can you can

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<v Speaker 2>actually make haggards taste pretty good. I mean, the idea

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<v Speaker 2>of it's not very nice because there's sort of stuffed

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<v Speaker 2>to signed sheeps in it and stuff with all the

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<v Speaker 2>lung and heart and all of that. But actually it's

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<v Speaker 2>pretty tasty.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, have you ever tasted scrapple?

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<v Speaker 3>No, tell me about that.

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<v Speaker 1>Scrapple is something that you really only have to be

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<v Speaker 1>from Pennsylvania to know. I grew up in Philadelphia, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was a an Amish dish and it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of similar to haggison that you don't really

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<v Speaker 1>want to know what's in it. It's I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>every single part of the pig or whatever you're not,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever you're is left over once you've gotten the cuts

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<v Speaker 1>off a pig, ground up and mixed with corn meal

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<v Speaker 1>and then sliced and then fried in butter and served

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<v Speaker 1>with apple butter. Yeah, like an apple kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, Yeah, I think you'd love it.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think a lot of these things that are

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<v Speaker 2>so delicious because you always had that frying them in

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<v Speaker 2>butters always good. They cook it in blood a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of the time, which which in terms of survival is

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<v Speaker 2>a bad as nutrient dense as you're gonna get. So yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>And as you said, a lot worse things in the

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<v Speaker 2>wild that I've had to eat haggis has or scrapple,

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<v Speaker 2>scrumple would.

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<v Speaker 3>Be would be dreamy.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not familiar with scrumple notter.

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<v Speaker 3>What was your one called?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, scrapple, scrapple scrap I thought you were introducing me

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<v Speaker 1>to a new one. Well, you know, I uh, I,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't know if this has ever come

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<v Speaker 1>across your radar, but I have been asked a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of times to do various you know shows with you,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's never really worked out. It's it's always been, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>just a schedule thing that's been following at a weird

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<v Speaker 1>time or whatever, which is which is regrettable to me

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<v Speaker 1>because I I I love what you do, and I

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<v Speaker 1>love I mean, I love the stuff without the celebrities

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<v Speaker 1>as well. But I mean, I think it's also you know,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of interesting when you see people put into those situations.

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<v Speaker 1>And one of the things that I'm always really struck

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<v Speaker 1>with is that for us, we live this life of

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<v Speaker 1>pretending to be something that we're not a lot of times,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean, that's that That's actually why

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<v Speaker 1>I became an actor was because I was like, I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't really want to be this kid all the time

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<v Speaker 1>that who was me? I wanted to you know, be

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<v Speaker 1>someone something else, experience something else, you know, have a

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<v Speaker 1>have an adventure that was a pretend adventure, and that

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<v Speaker 1>is a very different thing from having an adventure that

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<v Speaker 1>isn't a real adventure, which is what what you have

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<v Speaker 1>spent your life doing. And I'm just wondering what it

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<v Speaker 1>is has that it's drawn you to that that's that's

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's been the driving force all these years, pushing

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<v Speaker 1>yourself farther and farther and farther.

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<v Speaker 3>You're so sweet. First of all, you are an adventurer,

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<v Speaker 3>you really are.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, adventure is a state of mind, and look

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<v Speaker 2>at how you've lived your life, and I think you'd

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<v Speaker 2>be first of all, you'd may also make an amazing

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<v Speaker 2>running wild guest. We've we've been wanted to shoot with

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<v Speaker 2>you for ages because I think your story, your resonate

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<v Speaker 2>is is powerful, you know, and how you started as

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<v Speaker 2>a kid and all of that stuff, and you're upbringing

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<v Speaker 2>and you're always honest, you know, whenever I see you interviewed,

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<v Speaker 2>you're always heart on the sleeve, you know, and you

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<v Speaker 2>don't do a lot of those sort of things. So

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and we have met guess who are in

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<v Speaker 2>your sort of ilk, you know, people who are quite

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<v Speaker 2>private but have amazing stories and a raw talent and

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<v Speaker 2>a big heart. And so yeah, I always think also

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<v Speaker 2>the right time comes for these adventures.

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<v Speaker 3>As you say, your schedule's be busy.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm always trusting that the right time people comes and

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<v Speaker 2>you never need to force any of that. But in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of in terms of my stuff, I mean, unlike you,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't have very many talents growing up, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Mine was mine wasn't really considered a talent. I was

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<v Speaker 2>just a kid that could climb up everything at school

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<v Speaker 2>and wasn't particularly brilliant or sport or academic or anything.

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<v Speaker 2>But I love the outdoors. It was a safe space

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<v Speaker 2>for me, and I don't know. My dad was a

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<v Speaker 2>former Romarine commando and I spent so much time with

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<v Speaker 2>him as a kid just out doing stuff. Always we'd

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<v Speaker 2>climb together a lot We're always making things and tinkering

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<v Speaker 2>around and figuring things out. And I don't know he's

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<v Speaker 2>no longer alive. He died far too young in my life.

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<v Speaker 2>But I look back and as a dad now to

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<v Speaker 2>three boys, you know, I kind of wish I've got

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<v Speaker 2>a chance to say thank you to so much to him,

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<v Speaker 2>because he really instilled in me at such a young

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<v Speaker 2>age to go for things and to fail and fail lots,

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<v Speaker 2>and be kind.

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<v Speaker 3>And be a good friend of people. But you don't

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<v Speaker 3>have to be a superstar at school.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, You've got to have a resilient spirit and

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<v Speaker 2>find something you love and however quirky it is. And

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<v Speaker 2>in my world, my stuff was quite quirky. It was like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, nobody did adventure stuff or survival stuff. It

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<v Speaker 2>was like, you know, unusual, But I loved that, and

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<v Speaker 2>then I think it was a natural step to the military.

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<v Speaker 2>I spent five years and with the militaryish I loved,

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<v Speaker 2>and my job there became teaching a lot of the

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<v Speaker 2>combat survival and I don't know if somebody could say

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<v Speaker 2>you'd have a job that involved doing everything that I

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<v Speaker 2>loved since I was a kid, and I've done through that.

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<v Speaker 2>My army days. I was thought, wow, you know, that's

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<v Speaker 2>all I've ever wanted. I really thought it would lead

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<v Speaker 2>to a particularly brilliant career as such. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>but I've always tried like my dad, who say, as

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<v Speaker 2>a kid, just follow what you love and be resilient,

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<v Speaker 2>be the most enthusiastic and dogged person you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>the rest will follow, you know. And I try and

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<v Speaker 2>say the same to our boys nowadays. You know, it's

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<v Speaker 2>like the middle one today going off to work in

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<v Speaker 2>the butcher's getting up early, getting on time, he has

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<v Speaker 2>his commuters, you know, twenty minutes of four six big waves.

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<v Speaker 3>He arrived soaking wet, smile on his face, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>And I couldn't be proud of that. I love it.

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<v Speaker 2>And as you know, in your life, you've half of

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<v Speaker 2>this showing up on time and being super enthusiastic and

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<v Speaker 2>doing your best, as the Scouts say that, do your best,

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<v Speaker 2>which is such a brilliant and powerful motto for young people.

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<v Speaker 3>And having that resilient spirit.

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<v Speaker 2>So not rocket science, you know, but that's been I

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<v Speaker 2>suppose the background to my stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Now when you we mentioned mentioned your dad, and you

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned the time that you spent, I'm often thinking about myself,

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<v Speaker 1>my relationship to my parents and what I held on to.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think I've been mostly in in my life

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<v Speaker 1>as a parent, uh, thinking about the things that I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to do differently. Not that they were bad, they

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<v Speaker 1>were great. I loved them. I think that was a

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<v Speaker 1>fantastic family to grow up in. But there were things

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<v Speaker 1>that you know, Uh, I think, especially with my dad,

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<v Speaker 1>where we're kind of I wanted to do it differently

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<v Speaker 1>in this generation. Do you ever are you one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>percent like your dad was to you or are there

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<v Speaker 1>any kind of differences that you've learned from from uh,

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<v Speaker 1>from your time with him and that you that you

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<v Speaker 1>pass on to the time with the boys.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think and see, you know, family, family is

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<v Speaker 2>always tricky, you know. And I always think families a

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<v Speaker 2>bit like fudge, mostly sweet, but with a few nuts

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<v Speaker 2>thrown in. And uh, you know, we we all have

0:16:10.560 --> 0:16:13.520
<v Speaker 2>a few nuts and and and no parentsy journey is easy.

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<v Speaker 2>And and you know, I look with my dad, he

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<v Speaker 2>had a he had a much colder father.

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<v Speaker 3>So my grandfather to hit, his father was much was much.

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<v Speaker 2>More distant, and uh, and I think he was you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he's just at that generation where they were never held

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<v Speaker 2>or hugged or told that they loved them. And I

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<v Speaker 2>think for my dad, he really wanted to do that differently,

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<v Speaker 2>and he really did. And he really was that sort

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<v Speaker 2>of cozy one who was always I mean, I remember

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<v Speaker 2>so much as a kid, I got picked to be

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<v Speaker 2>the linesman of the football team under eight.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I wasn't in the team.

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<v Speaker 2>I was just my job was to bring on the

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<v Speaker 2>oranges and uh and you know, and it was winter

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<v Speaker 2>and no parents were really there. But the only dad

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<v Speaker 2>on the touch line was my dad. It was like

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<v Speaker 2>it was almost embarrassing. I was like, oh no, you know,

0:16:58.560 --> 0:17:00.480
<v Speaker 2>it's like I haven't even got a role on this team.

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<v Speaker 2>He's the one that's there and I carry on the

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<v Speaker 2>oranges a halftime he'd be cheering me on, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>So I look back and I think, even though he died,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, far too young, I'm so grateful for that

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<v Speaker 2>example and kindness and coziness and connection.

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<v Speaker 1>That he gave me.

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<v Speaker 2>And and you know, it's what I've always really tried

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<v Speaker 2>to bring with with my family. I mean, I failed

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<v Speaker 2>a lot. I think, you know, parenting is a humbling journey,

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<v Speaker 2>isn't It's all of us, and we get so much

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<v Speaker 2>of it wrong. And if you meet people who think

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<v Speaker 2>they've got it all right that generally so far away

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<v Speaker 2>from it.

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<v Speaker 1>You make a very good point, which is that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I for for both my mom and my dad for

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<v Speaker 1>a long time because my my parents were very old,

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<v Speaker 1>well relatively old, when I was bored, because I was

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<v Speaker 1>the youngest of six in my there was eighteen years

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<v Speaker 1>between me and my eldest siblings, so they were really

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I was in the mistake category. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know my grandparents, so I didn't think much

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<v Speaker 1>about my grandparents, and I never saw my parents' relationship

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<v Speaker 1>to my grandparents had I had one grandmother that I

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<v Speaker 1>sort of knew a little bit, and I think that

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<v Speaker 1>in understanding my parents, and it took me. I had

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<v Speaker 1>to stop and jump back one generation and try to

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<v Speaker 1>really imagine what their lives were, and it gave me

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of perspective I think on them, and that frankly,

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<v Speaker 1>what I thought to myself was, well, they're doing a

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<v Speaker 1>lot better than their parents doing so are doing so

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<v Speaker 1>so you know, if you can, if you can just

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<v Speaker 1>you know, try to take the lessons of history and

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<v Speaker 1>just be a little bit better. Whatever it is, loving,

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<v Speaker 1>or or understanding or or nurturing, then you're ahead of

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<v Speaker 1>the game for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>And how often hard that bringing lead to brilliant lives

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<v Speaker 2>as well. There you look at you, you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean you're saying, you're saying the last of the six

0:19:22.560 --> 0:19:25.120
<v Speaker 2>and you know that mistake. I mean, out of out

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<v Speaker 2>of those words come so many brilliant, genius, kind incredible

0:19:31.440 --> 0:19:34.480
<v Speaker 2>human beings and h and I love that. I think

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<v Speaker 2>your life is an example of that. And and and

0:19:37.119 --> 0:19:39.840
<v Speaker 2>good for you. You know, I think I've never met

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<v Speaker 2>a strong person who's had an easy pass and and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, so those times, I think it's important not

0:19:45.840 --> 0:19:49.480
<v Speaker 2>to sugarcoaches. And that's everything's great because actually those hard

0:19:49.920 --> 0:19:53.159
<v Speaker 2>those hard times are what also make us and uh

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<v Speaker 2>and yeah, good for you. And and also you're honesty.

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<v Speaker 1>Hate so you know, you one of the youngest people

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<v Speaker 1>to climb Everest and uh, I mean, and that's just

0:20:06.280 --> 0:20:08.520
<v Speaker 1>that's just the tip of the iceberg in terms of

0:20:09.080 --> 0:20:13.040
<v Speaker 1>the kind of physical challenges that that you've had. It's

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<v Speaker 1>it's mind blowing. And I mean, do you feel I

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<v Speaker 1>know that this is it's it's kind of what you

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<v Speaker 1>do now right, it's it's it's, it's it's it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>part of your how you make a living. But I

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<v Speaker 1>mean you feel a certain kind of pressure to keep

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<v Speaker 1>upping the anti or or is that no longer really

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<v Speaker 1>a focus? I mean, clearly you don't have to have

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<v Speaker 1>much left to prove. I guess yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I say jams. Yeah, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe, And I think we go through phases in our

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<v Speaker 2>lives that we wear different things drive us. I think

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<v Speaker 2>in the early years, I was really I really wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to make my mark, you know, and I did. I

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<v Speaker 2>was out to prove something. Probably, I mean I look

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<v Speaker 2>back and I think probably was willing to risk it

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<v Speaker 2>all for a mountain in a way I probably wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>be now, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>And I hope.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a positive progress, because you know, the journey of

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<v Speaker 2>life is you don't ever have to prove through stuff

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<v Speaker 2>is to anyone.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like life is a gift, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's about connections and friendships and living with that

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<v Speaker 2>adventure spirit and all we do. And that covers so much,

0:21:24.480 --> 0:21:27.240
<v Speaker 2>you know, work and relationships and how we.

0:21:27.200 --> 0:21:29.520
<v Speaker 3>Tackle lives and our own goals and ambitions.

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<v Speaker 2>And I hope. Now I do things much more from

0:21:33.119 --> 0:21:35.520
<v Speaker 2>that drive. You know that I really love it. I

0:21:35.520 --> 0:21:39.000
<v Speaker 2>mean it almost feels much more full circle now in

0:21:39.040 --> 0:21:41.880
<v Speaker 2>the sense that as a kid I loved adventure, wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>out to prove an apart from I just wanted to

0:21:43.720 --> 0:21:46.760
<v Speaker 2>be close to my dad and be outside, And in

0:21:46.800 --> 0:21:48.680
<v Speaker 2>a way I feel the same thing now. I love

0:21:48.720 --> 0:21:51.679
<v Speaker 2>the crew we work with. I love having adventures with

0:21:51.840 --> 0:21:55.040
<v Speaker 2>my family and great friends. You know, if I could

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<v Speaker 2>do all of these things without the TV cameras, to

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<v Speaker 2>be honest, that would be heaven for me. I mean

0:21:59.760 --> 0:22:02.359
<v Speaker 2>that the TV and the filming side of it is

0:22:02.359 --> 0:22:04.760
<v Speaker 2>what I struggle most with, and it's a It's like

0:22:04.840 --> 0:22:07.600
<v Speaker 2>a running joke with our crew. It's like the reason

0:22:08.160 --> 0:22:10.600
<v Speaker 2>all of your shows work bears what they say, and

0:22:10.640 --> 0:22:13.960
<v Speaker 2>the reason they're called running everything, running wild, right, is

0:22:13.960 --> 0:22:17.040
<v Speaker 2>that you're always running away from and there is an

0:22:17.040 --> 0:22:20.679
<v Speaker 2>element to that. Really, I'm much more of an introverted person.

0:22:20.760 --> 0:22:23.560
<v Speaker 2>I don't I don't like the cameras. I really don't.

0:22:23.560 --> 0:22:25.679
<v Speaker 2>I love the adventure and I love the guys we

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<v Speaker 2>do it with, and we go and have these incredible

0:22:28.840 --> 0:22:31.879
<v Speaker 2>intense sort of you know, life on the line moments

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<v Speaker 2>and I love that.

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<v Speaker 3>But I struggle with the filming side of it. And

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<v Speaker 3>it's just always been like that.

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<v Speaker 2>And I've learned now not to not to sort of

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<v Speaker 2>not to apologize for that, because in a way, that

0:22:43.520 --> 0:22:46.040
<v Speaker 2>tension has been what's made it work. You know, we

0:22:46.440 --> 0:22:48.639
<v Speaker 2>never do second take of anything. It never feels like

0:22:48.640 --> 0:22:50.920
<v Speaker 2>we're trying to create anything. It's like all like, does

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<v Speaker 2>not turn the camera and follow and then see where

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<v Speaker 2>it leads?

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<v Speaker 1>No, it does not. And that's that's part of why

0:22:57.800 --> 0:23:02.080
<v Speaker 1>it's it's it's so infectious. And and also I think

0:23:02.119 --> 0:23:04.240
<v Speaker 1>that whether you like it or not, I mean, you

0:23:04.440 --> 0:23:10.560
<v Speaker 1>just some do have you know, you have a quality

0:23:10.640 --> 0:23:14.280
<v Speaker 1>that the camera really really likes. You may not want

0:23:14.320 --> 0:23:17.320
<v Speaker 1>to be in front of it, but there's a there's

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<v Speaker 1>a that there's something that's that's almost intangible, uh there,

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<v Speaker 1>it's something that you know, we I think I think

0:23:26.600 --> 0:23:28.520
<v Speaker 1>you can get better at I mean, I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>if you know, on my side of things, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I don't I don't know that I really

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<v Speaker 1>understood the camera when I was first in front of

0:23:37.160 --> 0:23:39.920
<v Speaker 1>it because I was a theater guy, you know. But

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<v Speaker 1>but I do think that you can get better at it.

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<v Speaker 1>But but I think that there has to be something

0:23:44.880 --> 0:23:48.639
<v Speaker 1>that the camera a person, that this camera kind of

0:23:48.760 --> 0:23:55.520
<v Speaker 1>sees past the naked eye and sees an inherent positive

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<v Speaker 1>energy or or whatever the energy happens to be, which

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<v Speaker 1>it really does with you.

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<v Speaker 3>It's funny. Though you're very kind. I appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 1>I think by the way, I think, I think, I

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<v Speaker 1>think a lot about the crew though, you know, being

0:24:10.240 --> 0:24:13.680
<v Speaker 1>a filmmaker, you know you you can't help, but think,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, they're right along there with you. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>you must have have you been working with them for

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<v Speaker 1>a long time, yeah, forever?

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<v Speaker 2>And that the better, bigger, stronger, nice Really, I mean

0:24:26.480 --> 0:24:29.320
<v Speaker 2>they are that they are the through unsung heroes in

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<v Speaker 2>my life. You know, we've been together from day one.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of them were ex military guys that I

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<v Speaker 2>bought on right at the beginning, and I knew that

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<v Speaker 2>if we're going to do this journey, I really it's

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<v Speaker 2>not that I want these guys beside me.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like I need these guys beside me.

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<v Speaker 2>And there have been such a rock and a strength

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<v Speaker 2>and a support and friend to me through so much.

0:24:48.440 --> 0:24:51.520
<v Speaker 2>And and also that yeah, they are incredible in their

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<v Speaker 2>own right.

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<v Speaker 3>They really are they carry so much gear? They do

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<v Speaker 3>everything I do.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure changes, you know, according to the situation, but

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<v Speaker 1>like how big a crew is it and what I'm

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<v Speaker 1>curious about the I mean it's I mean, I know

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes you have a you use a go pro right

0:25:08.119 --> 0:25:11.040
<v Speaker 1>sometimes that you have, but then.

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<v Speaker 2>Go pros definitely changed our filming life because the early

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<v Speaker 2>day is a man versus while if we wanted, like

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's drones as well. It's the other thing

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<v Speaker 2>has changed our life. I mean beforehand, when we're in

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<v Speaker 2>a jungle, it'd be like would be let loose, like

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<v Speaker 2>three of us, four of us and uh, and then

0:25:28.440 --> 0:25:31.360
<v Speaker 2>they'd go, we just make sure one thirty today and

0:25:31.359 --> 0:25:34.680
<v Speaker 2>and you know six am tomorrow you're at this lat

0:25:34.800 --> 0:25:36.639
<v Speaker 2>long clearing is we're going to do a pass at

0:25:36.640 --> 0:25:38.399
<v Speaker 2>a helicopter and we want to pick you up as

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<v Speaker 2>you're moving.

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<v Speaker 3>And it was like, you know, super difficult.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, But now now with drones and go pros, it's

0:25:45.480 --> 0:25:48.439
<v Speaker 2>made our life ever easier. I mean, it's allowed us

0:25:48.480 --> 0:25:50.320
<v Speaker 2>to push the boundaries and what we do. But with

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<v Speaker 2>Running Wild, the team hasn't grown much.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean there's.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably two carramings or seven two cameras to sound, and

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<v Speaker 2>then we have a we have a like a safety

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<v Speaker 2>guy who's one of our who's one of my guys

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<v Speaker 2>really who will be alongside each of them. So that's

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<v Speaker 2>like six or seven eight maybe, But we never have

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<v Speaker 2>a director, you know, we have we really don't we

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<v Speaker 2>We kind of we have people call themselves producers. Were

0:26:16.280 --> 0:26:18.360
<v Speaker 2>really there one of us. We're all in the same game.

0:26:18.400 --> 0:26:21.000
<v Speaker 2>We're all we're all doing the same to helping each other.

0:26:21.080 --> 0:26:23.600
<v Speaker 2>They're carrying kids as much as anyone, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>They they help interview the guests quite a lot. They

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<v Speaker 3>do help with that.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, we really keep it fluid and loose

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<v Speaker 2>and fun and light, and I think the energy comes

0:26:35.000 --> 0:26:37.440
<v Speaker 2>from that, and the guests often say, wow, we really

0:26:37.480 --> 0:26:39.240
<v Speaker 2>kind of I thought it'd be like this, but I

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<v Speaker 2>wondered would there be some craft services behind the scenes.

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<v Speaker 2>We have some you know, much more of a plan

0:26:45.680 --> 0:26:47.560
<v Speaker 2>and much more of an idea for what we're doing

0:26:47.600 --> 0:26:50.080
<v Speaker 2>in like thirty people moving and it's like it really

0:26:50.119 --> 0:26:52.080
<v Speaker 2>is a coil of rope and a small gang and

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<v Speaker 2>off we go and figuring it out on the move.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't need to ask about the thread count in

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<v Speaker 1>the on the on the in the bed in the hotel.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, I mean we try and look after people

0:27:02.760 --> 0:27:05.880
<v Speaker 2>before and after, but for the forty eight hours you're out,

0:27:05.960 --> 0:27:08.600
<v Speaker 2>it's but you know, what's the experience, isn't it? And

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<v Speaker 2>I think for people like you, you know, you're you're

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<v Speaker 2>your top of your game, your your your top of

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<v Speaker 2>that tree. And you don't need none of our Running

0:27:15.800 --> 0:27:18.240
<v Speaker 2>World guests need the money or the fame. They don't

0:27:18.240 --> 0:27:20.439
<v Speaker 2>need that. They want something else. They want the the

0:27:20.520 --> 0:27:24.600
<v Speaker 2>experience and insight into kind of some of the skills,

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<v Speaker 2>into the wild places, and and that dynamic with the crew,

0:27:29.200 --> 0:27:32.800
<v Speaker 2>and and it creates often really lovely friendships, and I

0:27:32.840 --> 0:27:35.000
<v Speaker 2>love that. I think it's very bonding. When you go

0:27:35.080 --> 0:27:38.560
<v Speaker 2>through intense experiences, you know where your life is on

0:27:38.600 --> 0:27:39.560
<v Speaker 2>the line, and you have to.

0:27:39.520 --> 0:27:41.280
<v Speaker 3>Trust each other. And I love that.

0:27:41.400 --> 0:27:44.399
<v Speaker 2>I never take that for granted. But in terms of

0:27:44.440 --> 0:27:47.800
<v Speaker 2>the crew, yeah, you are right. They are the remarkable heroes.

0:27:48.040 --> 0:27:51.480
<v Speaker 2>And I love hearing them get the right deserved accolade.

0:27:51.640 --> 0:27:54.080
<v Speaker 1>Oh man, I can't imagine. I can't imagine being on

0:27:54.080 --> 0:27:57.760
<v Speaker 1>their crew. And and you know when we when you

0:27:59.160 --> 0:28:03.760
<v Speaker 1>when we hang up today, you're not gonna shoot something today.

0:28:03.880 --> 0:28:06.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't think you're at home. What do you do?

0:28:06.880 --> 0:28:09.440
<v Speaker 1>What's what's your what's your what's your what's your day

0:28:09.480 --> 0:28:10.040
<v Speaker 1>off look like?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, it's always quite physical on the island

0:28:14.840 --> 0:28:17.720
<v Speaker 2>because you know, just getting supplies is hard work. You know,

0:28:17.760 --> 0:28:20.119
<v Speaker 2>it's as I say, it's you know, it's two miles

0:28:20.200 --> 0:28:22.879
<v Speaker 2>just to the mainland and there's quad bikes and there.

0:28:23.480 --> 0:28:25.040
<v Speaker 2>You know, if it's low tide, that's a mile then

0:28:25.119 --> 0:28:27.600
<v Speaker 2>up the low tide beast to get to the frack

0:28:27.720 --> 0:28:29.840
<v Speaker 2>to then leads you to the village. And you know, say,

0:28:29.840 --> 0:28:31.320
<v Speaker 2>everybody's quite physical already.

0:28:31.359 --> 0:28:32.480
<v Speaker 3>But I don't know.

0:28:32.520 --> 0:28:35.399
<v Speaker 2>I like to I like to train in the morning

0:28:35.920 --> 0:28:38.160
<v Speaker 2>and nothing crazy. I like to be outside but for

0:28:38.240 --> 0:28:40.240
<v Speaker 2>half an hour and I do a mixer stretching and

0:28:40.280 --> 0:28:42.280
<v Speaker 2>I have my pill up bar and you know, the

0:28:42.360 --> 0:28:44.600
<v Speaker 2>dogs chase me around and I do work out and

0:28:44.640 --> 0:28:46.520
<v Speaker 2>then I run down. I dive in the sea every

0:28:46.600 --> 0:28:49.520
<v Speaker 2>day and then you know, then it's kind of just life.

0:28:49.600 --> 0:28:52.160
<v Speaker 2>I mean with I do. I don't do very much

0:28:52.200 --> 0:28:55.080
<v Speaker 2>press stuff. I actually don't do many of these sort

0:28:55.120 --> 0:28:58.360
<v Speaker 2>of things. I definitely I'm not a sort of I

0:28:58.400 --> 0:29:00.760
<v Speaker 2>don't And there's no filming when we're not filming.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, that definitely is a no note for me.

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<v Speaker 3>But you're just normal life as a.

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<v Speaker 2>Family and bringing up teenagers and you know, definitely not

0:29:08.640 --> 0:29:11.360
<v Speaker 2>a there's no heroics at home.

0:29:11.960 --> 0:29:14.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I've low down the pecking order.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, You've got the dogs and chickens, the cat.

0:29:19.400 --> 0:29:23.560
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, definitely very pretty regular life, apart from the

0:29:23.600 --> 0:29:25.920
<v Speaker 2>place we live, which is maybe a little bit more irregular.

0:29:26.800 --> 0:29:29.440
<v Speaker 2>And I try and do our filming in term times,

0:29:29.480 --> 0:29:32.719
<v Speaker 2>so when the boys are at school, I'm away and

0:29:32.760 --> 0:29:34.320
<v Speaker 2>I try and pack it in. You know, we'll go

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<v Speaker 2>for ten days and we'll do a couple of episodes

0:29:36.440 --> 0:29:38.760
<v Speaker 2>back to back, and there's quite a lot of travel

0:29:38.880 --> 0:29:41.520
<v Speaker 2>often involved with that. But you know, we're pretty efficient

0:29:41.600 --> 0:29:44.240
<v Speaker 2>now and I've learned to One of the reasons I

0:29:44.320 --> 0:29:46.280
<v Speaker 2>fought hard in the early days to be able to

0:29:46.520 --> 0:29:49.480
<v Speaker 2>make our own shows and produce our own shows was

0:29:49.520 --> 0:29:52.600
<v Speaker 2>as much about just being able to schedule things when

0:29:52.640 --> 0:29:55.360
<v Speaker 2>we wanted them, you know, with the crew we wanted, sure,

0:29:55.440 --> 0:30:00.640
<v Speaker 2>and that's made a big difference because you know, otherwise wins,

0:30:00.960 --> 0:30:03.280
<v Speaker 2>but your family doesn't always win, and at the end

0:30:03.320 --> 0:30:05.200
<v Speaker 2>of the day, that's not a win. So I sort

0:30:05.200 --> 0:30:08.680
<v Speaker 2>of learned early on just keep try, try with all

0:30:08.720 --> 0:30:11.840
<v Speaker 2>your heart to keep family first, to work second. And

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<v Speaker 2>I know, I know, we all know that, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes hard to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>And sure it is, Sure it is and actually is.

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<v Speaker 2>And I've failed a bit along the way, you know,

0:30:20.240 --> 0:30:22.160
<v Speaker 2>when they were younger. I think that's probably a way

0:30:22.200 --> 0:30:24.280
<v Speaker 2>too much, you know. But now I'm really proud that

0:30:24.400 --> 0:30:26.520
<v Speaker 2>I am there, and I am sort of there for

0:30:26.560 --> 0:30:29.480
<v Speaker 2>the important stuff, and all of us could be five

0:30:29.520 --> 0:30:33.480
<v Speaker 2>percent more successful, ten percent more successful, but I really

0:30:33.720 --> 0:30:37.040
<v Speaker 2>try consciously it see that family stuff first, and I

0:30:37.040 --> 0:30:40.600
<v Speaker 2>think if that's happy, then other stuff follows, doesn't It

0:30:40.640 --> 0:30:41.160
<v Speaker 2>sure does.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we should bring Paul and Paul Gurney from

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<v Speaker 1>becoming X would you like to join us. Hey, Kevin,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm great. I'm great. How are you doing? Whereabouts are you? Paulman?

0:31:35.240 --> 0:31:38.360
<v Speaker 5>Doing really well? Yes, I'm in I'm in London. I

0:31:38.360 --> 0:31:41.640
<v Speaker 5>can see from bears weather. We're sharing the gray Skies.

0:31:42.680 --> 0:31:46.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, doing well? Now, how did you guys meet?

0:31:48.200 --> 0:31:52.280
<v Speaker 5>So actually met Bear through a filming opportunity. We brought

0:31:52.280 --> 0:31:55.600
<v Speaker 5>Bet in to do one of the very first films

0:31:55.600 --> 0:31:58.960
<v Speaker 5>that we did as Becoming X. So Bear and I

0:31:59.040 --> 0:32:01.480
<v Speaker 5>have since set up the organization called Becoming X. But

0:32:01.560 --> 0:32:05.000
<v Speaker 5>it's all about helping people realize their potential. So it's

0:32:05.000 --> 0:32:08.720
<v Speaker 5>about giving people those really important skills and opportunities to

0:32:08.760 --> 0:32:12.080
<v Speaker 5>go out and succeed in life. We've already done a

0:32:12.080 --> 0:32:14.320
<v Speaker 5>couple of pilots and Bear luckily was one of the

0:32:14.400 --> 0:32:18.320
<v Speaker 5>very first people we interviewed. And it's all about sharing

0:32:18.360 --> 0:32:20.720
<v Speaker 5>the real insights of how people got to where they

0:32:20.800 --> 0:32:25.120
<v Speaker 5>got to, the real story behind the celebrity and success.

0:32:25.680 --> 0:32:27.880
<v Speaker 5>And you know, Bear being the star that the years

0:32:28.040 --> 0:32:30.720
<v Speaker 5>saw the vision of what we want to do. We

0:32:30.840 --> 0:32:33.960
<v Speaker 5>set up together and that's the that's the big game.

0:32:34.000 --> 0:32:37.680
<v Speaker 5>How can we really help people succeed and how can

0:32:37.720 --> 0:32:39.680
<v Speaker 5>we help them thrive in life?

0:32:39.720 --> 0:32:43.240
<v Speaker 1>And you yourself was a bit of an adventurer. I think,

0:32:43.480 --> 0:32:44.160
<v Speaker 1>is that correct.

0:32:45.040 --> 0:32:48.680
<v Speaker 5>Well, I've rewind ten years, yes, and that was really

0:32:48.680 --> 0:32:52.160
<v Speaker 5>part of the genesis of becoming X. You know, yeah,

0:32:52.200 --> 0:32:53.880
<v Speaker 5>I've got to do some fun stuff over the years.

0:32:53.880 --> 0:32:56.320
<v Speaker 5>I've raised from land to the North Pole, sort of

0:32:57.000 --> 0:33:01.320
<v Speaker 5>five hundred miles across the frozen Arctic minus fifty degrees,

0:33:02.440 --> 0:33:06.040
<v Speaker 5>done the marathon discables. So six marathons and six days

0:33:06.080 --> 0:33:08.520
<v Speaker 5>through the Sahara climbs of the highest mountains in the world.

0:33:08.640 --> 0:33:11.960
<v Speaker 1>Hang On, hang on, hang on. The marathon is a

0:33:12.080 --> 0:33:14.240
<v Speaker 1>it's six marathons in six days.

0:33:14.680 --> 0:33:17.120
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it's called the dis It's picture You're.

0:33:17.320 --> 0:33:19.480
<v Speaker 1>A running marathon. I just want to clarify what we're

0:33:19.480 --> 0:33:20.280
<v Speaker 1>talking about here.

0:33:20.760 --> 0:33:21.880
<v Speaker 3>It's a running marathon.

0:33:22.160 --> 0:33:22.440
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

0:33:22.440 --> 0:33:25.800
<v Speaker 5>So it's I mean the story behind this and this

0:33:25.880 --> 0:33:28.320
<v Speaker 5>leads into Bigcami X. I mean I was at a

0:33:28.360 --> 0:33:31.040
<v Speaker 5>time in my life where I wanted to really push

0:33:31.200 --> 0:33:33.800
<v Speaker 5>the boundaries of what was possible and really try to understand,

0:33:34.640 --> 0:33:37.200
<v Speaker 5>you know, what are our limits? What can we achieve

0:33:37.560 --> 0:33:42.240
<v Speaker 5>as individuals? And I've already done some adventures, We've done

0:33:42.240 --> 0:33:44.160
<v Speaker 5>some stuff. I was just curious, you know, what are

0:33:44.200 --> 0:33:47.080
<v Speaker 5>my own boundaries and I found myself signing up to

0:33:47.200 --> 0:33:49.880
<v Speaker 5>do the world's toughest race, this race from land to

0:33:49.920 --> 0:33:52.640
<v Speaker 5>the North Pole, and it was in doing that and

0:33:52.640 --> 0:33:54.560
<v Speaker 5>everyone said to me, you know, poor, you get a die.

0:33:54.680 --> 0:33:57.320
<v Speaker 5>You know, you're not you're not a in order of adventure.

0:33:57.360 --> 0:33:58.120
<v Speaker 5>You don't have a minute.

0:33:58.160 --> 0:34:01.160
<v Speaker 1>That's a running that's a running race, or so well,

0:34:01.280 --> 0:34:02.760
<v Speaker 1>what what runs snowshoe?

0:34:03.360 --> 0:34:05.120
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, you'd be doing well to run. I mean, you've

0:34:05.120 --> 0:34:08.200
<v Speaker 5>got eighty kilograms of gear behind you, You've got big

0:34:08.320 --> 0:34:10.960
<v Speaker 5>snow boots on, so you're basically going as fast as

0:34:10.960 --> 0:34:14.319
<v Speaker 5>you can, trying not to fall through the ice, trying

0:34:14.360 --> 0:34:18.080
<v Speaker 5>not to get hypothermia, frostbite, attacked by a polar bear.

0:34:19.160 --> 0:34:21.600
<v Speaker 5>So you've got all You've got all that. But I'd

0:34:21.640 --> 0:34:23.239
<v Speaker 5>signed up to this race and it was a two year

0:34:23.840 --> 0:34:24.680
<v Speaker 5>journey to get.

0:34:24.560 --> 0:34:27.120
<v Speaker 1>By the way Berry, you didn't mention, you didn't. You

0:34:27.239 --> 0:34:31.400
<v Speaker 1>told me, uh, black fight back round, lie down, but

0:34:31.400 --> 0:34:34.640
<v Speaker 1>you didn't mention white bear as well.

0:34:34.719 --> 0:34:38.920
<v Speaker 3>Keep away from them. Yeah, unbelievable, you know, yeah, the

0:34:38.960 --> 0:34:40.320
<v Speaker 3>bear be castles.

0:34:42.160 --> 0:34:46.000
<v Speaker 5>That's exactly right. You you know, they're they're beautiful, incredible animals,

0:34:46.000 --> 0:34:48.800
<v Speaker 5>but you know they can run as fast as horses.

0:34:48.800 --> 0:34:50.680
<v Speaker 5>Over a very short distance. They can smell you from

0:34:50.719 --> 0:34:54.600
<v Speaker 5>miles away. They're enormous, you know, hundreds and hundreds of kilograms,

0:34:54.760 --> 0:34:59.120
<v Speaker 5>and yeah, pretty scary. But Kevin, I'd signed up to this.

0:35:00.239 --> 0:35:02.359
<v Speaker 5>Everyone said to me, you know, Paul, you're gonna die

0:35:02.480 --> 0:35:04.840
<v Speaker 5>because you don't have for these skills. And ironically, and

0:35:04.880 --> 0:35:07.399
<v Speaker 5>Bear I'll probably never told you this. Ironically, you've got

0:35:07.440 --> 0:35:09.920
<v Speaker 5>to be like Bear Grills or Serunal Fines or someone

0:35:10.000 --> 0:35:12.560
<v Speaker 5>with real experience at this. And I was like, well,

0:35:13.160 --> 0:35:14.920
<v Speaker 5>I'm just prepared to learn, and I'm prepared to do

0:35:15.000 --> 0:35:18.120
<v Speaker 5>what I can. Because I was telling people I'm doing

0:35:18.200 --> 0:35:21.399
<v Speaker 5>the world's toughest race. Someone said to me, you know, oh,

0:35:21.480 --> 0:35:24.600
<v Speaker 5>so you're doing the marathon day sup. I was like, no,

0:35:24.600 --> 0:35:26.600
<v Speaker 5>I'm doing this race to the North Pole. And I'd

0:35:26.640 --> 0:35:28.160
<v Speaker 5>heard of the marathon diss up as I said, it's

0:35:28.280 --> 0:35:32.480
<v Speaker 5>six mouths and six days through the Sahara Desert, extraordinary heat,

0:35:32.560 --> 0:35:35.080
<v Speaker 5>soft sand, very tough race. And I go on the

0:35:35.080 --> 0:35:37.400
<v Speaker 5>website and lo and behold it's also described as the

0:35:37.400 --> 0:35:39.960
<v Speaker 5>world's toughest race. So I thought, well, hang on, you

0:35:40.000 --> 0:35:44.200
<v Speaker 5>can't have two world's toughest races. Let's try and which

0:35:44.239 --> 0:35:47.680
<v Speaker 5>one's harder and suddenly found myself doing, you know, two

0:35:47.719 --> 0:35:50.359
<v Speaker 5>of the toughest races on Earth in the same year,

0:35:51.280 --> 0:35:54.200
<v Speaker 5>and realizing actually that literally only a handful of people

0:35:54.200 --> 0:35:57.080
<v Speaker 5>had ever done these two and suddenly here's a guy

0:35:57.120 --> 0:36:00.279
<v Speaker 5>with next to no background in this stuff trying to

0:36:00.880 --> 0:36:03.600
<v Speaker 5>do these two adventures. So it was really through that

0:36:03.600 --> 0:36:06.000
<v Speaker 5>that I learned what it actually takes to do to

0:36:06.040 --> 0:36:08.719
<v Speaker 5>do really difficult things, which is what kind of led

0:36:08.719 --> 0:36:11.200
<v Speaker 5>me to do becoming X. How can we equip other

0:36:11.320 --> 0:36:14.520
<v Speaker 5>people to help them know that it's not about what

0:36:14.560 --> 0:36:17.440
<v Speaker 5>you know, It's really about the attitudes that you bring,

0:36:17.640 --> 0:36:20.000
<v Speaker 5>the effort that you're prepared to put into it, the determination,

0:36:20.080 --> 0:36:23.680
<v Speaker 5>the resilience, the relationships you build along the way, because

0:36:23.760 --> 0:36:26.480
<v Speaker 5>those are things that help people succeed, and sadly, we

0:36:26.480 --> 0:36:29.200
<v Speaker 5>don't see young people learning those things. So that's why

0:36:29.239 --> 0:36:30.200
<v Speaker 5>we said I'm becoming.

0:36:30.080 --> 0:36:34.400
<v Speaker 1>X correctly from go ahead, go ahead, Bert, please no.

0:36:34.840 --> 0:36:38.000
<v Speaker 2>I gotta say Paul I always recognized as a great

0:36:38.040 --> 0:36:40.759
<v Speaker 2>adventure spirit, you know when we say adventures a state

0:36:40.840 --> 0:36:43.439
<v Speaker 2>of mind. That the minute I'm met him and heard

0:36:43.440 --> 0:36:45.279
<v Speaker 2>some of his staff. Also, you've got to remember his

0:36:45.480 --> 0:36:48.000
<v Speaker 2>he was a corporate guy. He was just working. Where

0:36:48.000 --> 0:36:49.920
<v Speaker 2>are we at the time? Were your centur at the time.

0:36:50.520 --> 0:36:52.760
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, fifteen years Yeah.

0:36:52.160 --> 0:36:53.880
<v Speaker 2>You know, and he was sort of taking all of

0:36:53.920 --> 0:36:56.279
<v Speaker 2>his banking up all this holiday to go and do

0:36:56.320 --> 0:36:59.680
<v Speaker 2>these epic races, almost dying and he's coming back sort

0:36:59.680 --> 0:37:03.440
<v Speaker 2>of covered and just blistered some blood and like you know,

0:37:03.760 --> 0:37:04.160
<v Speaker 2>you were.

0:37:04.360 --> 0:37:07.360
<v Speaker 3>You were raw grit that got you through those things.

0:37:07.360 --> 0:37:09.560
<v Speaker 2>And I think as soon as we met, I thought,

0:37:09.800 --> 0:37:13.719
<v Speaker 2>here's somebody's definitely got something different. But also, bubb all, Paul,

0:37:13.800 --> 0:37:17.280
<v Speaker 2>you had a heart for sharing some of it, sharing

0:37:17.320 --> 0:37:20.160
<v Speaker 2>some of the stuff that actually what can help people

0:37:20.239 --> 0:37:22.600
<v Speaker 2>get ahead. And you know, when you don't pay a

0:37:22.640 --> 0:37:24.560
<v Speaker 2>lip service when you say you wanted to find out

0:37:24.600 --> 0:37:25.760
<v Speaker 2>what the boundaries.

0:37:25.280 --> 0:37:26.239
<v Speaker 3>Were, you really lived that.

0:37:26.920 --> 0:37:29.319
<v Speaker 2>And I think what's become so powerful now with what

0:37:29.400 --> 0:37:33.080
<v Speaker 2>you've done is say, hold on, let's let's actually get

0:37:33.160 --> 0:37:36.200
<v Speaker 2>under the skin with success some of these people. We've

0:37:36.280 --> 0:37:39.240
<v Speaker 2>made films with that. So often you just hear the headlines,

0:37:39.280 --> 0:37:42.040
<v Speaker 2>don't you that somebody has won an Oscar or you know,

0:37:43.000 --> 0:37:45.560
<v Speaker 2>been chosen by NASA as an astronaut, or become the

0:37:45.600 --> 0:37:48.359
<v Speaker 2>Nobel Prize winner. But on the back of that, and

0:37:48.600 --> 0:37:51.400
<v Speaker 2>your life is a testament that my life's a testament to.

0:37:51.440 --> 0:37:53.799
<v Speaker 2>This is an awful lot of failure. You know, we

0:37:53.880 --> 0:37:57.000
<v Speaker 2>fail so many times, and it's those stories that actually

0:37:57.480 --> 0:38:00.200
<v Speaker 2>are the interesting ones. And I think so many the

0:38:00.280 --> 0:38:05.080
<v Speaker 2>kids at school never get to realize how important failure is,

0:38:05.160 --> 0:38:07.440
<v Speaker 2>how important it is, how relatable it is when you

0:38:07.440 --> 0:38:10.680
<v Speaker 2>see these people that you know, Kevin, you've experienced some

0:38:10.760 --> 0:38:13.120
<v Speaker 2>of this as well. You know there where we build

0:38:13.120 --> 0:38:15.440
<v Speaker 2>our muscle, aren't they. So that was a vision of

0:38:15.480 --> 0:38:18.040
<v Speaker 2>becoming X and pulling me coming together, say let's actually

0:38:18.080 --> 0:38:21.600
<v Speaker 2>try and articulate some of your journey, some of my journey,

0:38:21.640 --> 0:38:25.200
<v Speaker 2>and actually make it tangible for people, you know, every day,

0:38:25.239 --> 0:38:27.800
<v Speaker 2>people in schools growing up. The stuff they don't teach

0:38:27.840 --> 0:38:30.520
<v Speaker 2>you in school, you know, the way from the academics

0:38:30.960 --> 0:38:33.239
<v Speaker 2>actually one of the life skills that can really give

0:38:33.280 --> 0:38:36.680
<v Speaker 2>people an edge and demystify this whole thing of what

0:38:36.719 --> 0:38:37.640
<v Speaker 2>it takes.

0:38:37.320 --> 0:38:38.920
<v Speaker 3>To succeed and all.

0:38:38.960 --> 0:38:40.759
<v Speaker 2>You've been so brilliant, you know, for me, it's so

0:38:40.840 --> 0:38:43.120
<v Speaker 2>nice having you on this and being able to actually

0:38:43.160 --> 0:38:46.279
<v Speaker 2>say publicly what a brilliant guy you have been, how

0:38:46.360 --> 0:38:50.640
<v Speaker 2>resilient and positive and worked your way through so many challenges,

0:38:50.680 --> 0:38:54.080
<v Speaker 2>setting up becoming X and the foundation through all this

0:38:54.239 --> 0:38:57.040
<v Speaker 2>COVID time and you've come out of it shining and

0:38:57.400 --> 0:39:00.880
<v Speaker 2>that it's doing so well, and that's down to all resilience,

0:39:00.920 --> 0:39:02.479
<v Speaker 2>and I admire that so much.

0:39:02.800 --> 0:39:04.920
<v Speaker 1>By the way, thanks you for pointing that out. I mean,

0:39:05.000 --> 0:39:07.240
<v Speaker 1>that's really you know that that's kind of the essence

0:39:07.280 --> 0:39:11.720
<v Speaker 1>of this of this podcast is we we we frame

0:39:11.760 --> 0:39:15.520
<v Speaker 1>it as as as an opportunity to talk to famous people,

0:39:15.600 --> 0:39:21.880
<v Speaker 1>but it really is about those people highlighting and giving

0:39:22.000 --> 0:39:25.239
<v Speaker 1>a voice to the people who are running these foundations

0:39:25.400 --> 0:39:27.400
<v Speaker 1>and are doing the great work on the ground. So

0:39:27.920 --> 0:39:30.920
<v Speaker 1>bye bye bye. By saying what you said, that's exactly

0:39:31.040 --> 0:39:33.680
<v Speaker 1>kind of the essence of what we're trying to highlight

0:39:33.719 --> 0:39:36.600
<v Speaker 1>here in this this podcast. You know, you said something interesting.

0:39:38.080 --> 0:39:45.240
<v Speaker 1>I wonder if part of Becoming X is trying to

0:39:45.480 --> 0:39:50.719
<v Speaker 1>define for people exactly what success is. Because when you

0:39:50.760 --> 0:39:53.680
<v Speaker 1>look at what you guys have done, or what some

0:39:53.719 --> 0:39:56.040
<v Speaker 1>of the you know, some of the people that have

0:39:56.200 --> 0:39:59.880
<v Speaker 1>been interviewed for becoming ACCEPT done, this is like the

0:40:00.280 --> 0:40:03.320
<v Speaker 1>very very cinnical the top of the literally on the

0:40:03.360 --> 0:40:05.799
<v Speaker 1>top of the mountain them Bear's case, or you know,

0:40:06.160 --> 0:40:09.479
<v Speaker 1>you know, finishing six marathons in it a row. These

0:40:09.520 --> 0:40:13.759
<v Speaker 1>are to a lot of people completely unsurmountable goals and

0:40:13.800 --> 0:40:15.439
<v Speaker 1>you kind of think to yourself, well, if I can't

0:40:15.480 --> 0:40:17.400
<v Speaker 1>do that, then I'm not going to be success. So

0:40:17.440 --> 0:40:20.120
<v Speaker 1>can you speak a little bit to what you know?

0:40:20.160 --> 0:40:24.479
<v Speaker 1>How how what the messages in terms of how one

0:40:24.520 --> 0:40:27.879
<v Speaker 1>defines success for oneself. Yeah?

0:40:27.880 --> 0:40:30.040
<v Speaker 5>Absolutely. And to set the context of this, you know,

0:40:30.080 --> 0:40:32.440
<v Speaker 5>we didn't want this to be about our opinion of

0:40:32.560 --> 0:40:35.359
<v Speaker 5>what it really says. He wanted this to be evidence based.

0:40:35.400 --> 0:40:38.239
<v Speaker 5>It show as many stories as we could. So we've

0:40:38.239 --> 0:40:41.280
<v Speaker 5>gone out now in films about sixty of the world's

0:40:41.360 --> 0:40:44.840
<v Speaker 5>highest performers. You have had presidents and Peace Prize winners,

0:40:44.880 --> 0:40:48.360
<v Speaker 5>the ten Olympic gold medalists, Oscar winners, but also a

0:40:48.400 --> 0:40:50.600
<v Speaker 5>whole lot of people from really tough backgrounds who are

0:40:50.640 --> 0:40:54.200
<v Speaker 5>not famous but have gone through everything from homelessness, being

0:40:54.200 --> 0:40:57.680
<v Speaker 5>in prison and gone out and done amazing things. So

0:40:57.760 --> 0:40:59.959
<v Speaker 5>our idea of success, you know, so often into society

0:41:00.160 --> 0:41:03.560
<v Speaker 5>is defined by the job title, how much money you've got,

0:41:03.640 --> 0:41:05.799
<v Speaker 5>you know, what car you drive, And for us, that

0:41:05.880 --> 0:41:08.239
<v Speaker 5>is not what success is about. Successes book is about

0:41:08.239 --> 0:41:10.239
<v Speaker 5>waking up in the morning being proud of what you do.

0:41:10.640 --> 0:41:12.440
<v Speaker 5>You know, being able to look after your family, being

0:41:12.440 --> 0:41:15.319
<v Speaker 5>able to support in your community, and having that sense

0:41:15.360 --> 0:41:18.640
<v Speaker 5>that you're doing something that's fulfilling. So we want to

0:41:18.640 --> 0:41:20.160
<v Speaker 5>tell kids that, you know, this is not about how

0:41:20.200 --> 0:41:22.960
<v Speaker 5>many likes you get on social media. It's about the

0:41:23.000 --> 0:41:24.920
<v Speaker 5>impact you can have in the world and doing stuff

0:41:24.960 --> 0:41:29.080
<v Speaker 5>that challenges you so that you're always learning. So, actually,

0:41:29.120 --> 0:41:30.920
<v Speaker 5>all the work that we've done and all of these

0:41:30.920 --> 0:41:33.239
<v Speaker 5>interviews and people want to see them actually on our

0:41:33.239 --> 0:41:36.720
<v Speaker 5>website becoming x dot com, all available, made available for free.

0:41:37.520 --> 0:41:39.880
<v Speaker 5>You know you'll hear what it takes to succeed. And

0:41:39.880 --> 0:41:42.600
<v Speaker 5>we took about four things when we talk about the skills,

0:41:42.800 --> 0:41:46.440
<v Speaker 5>the knowledge, the attitudes and relationships that you need to

0:41:46.480 --> 0:41:50.040
<v Speaker 5>thrive in life. And you know, we've done all of

0:41:50.040 --> 0:41:51.359
<v Speaker 5>this work and we've looked at all of the other

0:41:51.960 --> 0:41:53.960
<v Speaker 5>bits of research out there, and it's so obvious to

0:41:54.040 --> 0:41:58.400
<v Speaker 5>us that education has just got a change at the

0:41:58.400 --> 0:42:01.160
<v Speaker 5>moment it doesn't work and help young people. And the

0:42:01.239 --> 0:42:03.839
<v Speaker 5>truth is it's not really changed much in the last

0:42:04.000 --> 0:42:07.120
<v Speaker 5>hundred years, and we're still focused on teaching particularly young

0:42:07.160 --> 0:42:10.640
<v Speaker 5>people knowledge. You know, what can you know about a subject,

0:42:10.640 --> 0:42:13.720
<v Speaker 5>what can you recall in a two week exam period.

0:42:14.080 --> 0:42:16.040
<v Speaker 5>Now we're living at a time when we've all got

0:42:16.040 --> 0:42:18.480
<v Speaker 5>mobile phones, we've all got you know now AI and

0:42:18.560 --> 0:42:22.319
<v Speaker 5>chat GPT. The things that will help young people is

0:42:22.360 --> 0:42:24.600
<v Speaker 5>actually the skills they have. It's the attitudes they bring,

0:42:24.719 --> 0:42:29.080
<v Speaker 5>the ambition, the determination, the resilience and the relationships that

0:42:29.080 --> 0:42:31.280
<v Speaker 5>they can bring. Those are the things that help them.

0:42:31.480 --> 0:42:33.959
<v Speaker 5>There's no lessons on that kids aren't learning that they'll

0:42:34.000 --> 0:42:37.319
<v Speaker 5>go through, you know, thirteen sixteen years of education and

0:42:37.400 --> 0:42:39.520
<v Speaker 5>not be taught how to do with failure. They not

0:42:39.600 --> 0:42:42.120
<v Speaker 5>be taught how to continually work on something, and they'll

0:42:42.160 --> 0:42:44.080
<v Speaker 5>not be taught how to work well in their team.

0:42:44.239 --> 0:42:46.480
<v Speaker 5>So that's what we really want to do. How can

0:42:46.520 --> 0:42:49.440
<v Speaker 5>we help people learn those critical things that will help

0:42:49.440 --> 0:42:50.440
<v Speaker 5>them get ahead of the life.

0:42:51.760 --> 0:42:56.720
<v Speaker 1>I would think also it's also you know, at least

0:42:57.400 --> 0:42:59.200
<v Speaker 1>not that everybody has to know it right out of

0:42:59.239 --> 0:43:03.759
<v Speaker 1>the gate, but choosing something that you have a you

0:43:03.800 --> 0:43:06.640
<v Speaker 1>have a skill for choosing something that you care about

0:43:07.200 --> 0:43:11.479
<v Speaker 1>and something that I mean, I don't know that all

0:43:11.520 --> 0:43:14.720
<v Speaker 1>of us are going to have a job that there

0:43:14.719 --> 0:43:16.799
<v Speaker 1>we're going to love as much as I love my job,

0:43:16.840 --> 0:43:19.719
<v Speaker 1>for instance, I mean I love my job, you know,

0:43:21.320 --> 0:43:26.080
<v Speaker 1>but I do think that you can even if you

0:43:26.120 --> 0:43:30.480
<v Speaker 1>don't love your job, you can still find other things

0:43:30.520 --> 0:43:33.080
<v Speaker 1>that give you pleasure. As we were talking about before

0:43:33.120 --> 0:43:37.239
<v Speaker 1>Bear outside of your actual work. You know, things that

0:43:37.680 --> 0:43:41.839
<v Speaker 1>like whatever it happens to be family or I don't know,

0:43:42.080 --> 0:43:45.560
<v Speaker 1>cooking or the yoga or sports or you know what

0:43:45.600 --> 0:43:47.640
<v Speaker 1>I mean, there's a million, a million things. So I

0:43:47.680 --> 0:43:51.200
<v Speaker 1>think that this these kinds of leffons. I mean, I

0:43:51.239 --> 0:43:54.200
<v Speaker 1>know for myself, I come up through the public school

0:43:54.239 --> 0:43:59.839
<v Speaker 1>system in Philadelphia. I think the teachers are absolute hero

0:44:00.160 --> 0:44:04.080
<v Speaker 1>was uh for for what for what teachers have to

0:44:04.120 --> 0:44:08.200
<v Speaker 1>do and go through every day? Uh you know, it's it.

0:44:08.400 --> 0:44:12.680
<v Speaker 1>They it for very very little money and very very

0:44:12.719 --> 0:44:17.040
<v Speaker 1>little uh praise, and uh you know there's it's a

0:44:17.080 --> 0:44:19.839
<v Speaker 1>really really hard gig. And I admire what they do.

0:44:20.880 --> 0:44:23.200
<v Speaker 1>But in terms of like, yeah, I mean in terms

0:44:23.200 --> 0:44:27.440
<v Speaker 1>of like the curriculum though, you know, it was mostly

0:44:27.680 --> 0:44:30.200
<v Speaker 1>kind of knowledge based. I had a couple of teachers

0:44:30.239 --> 0:44:32.960
<v Speaker 1>that were very very inspirational and had made me think

0:44:33.000 --> 0:44:35.080
<v Speaker 1>about things that I hadn't really thought about in a

0:44:35.120 --> 0:44:37.200
<v Speaker 1>different kind of way. But there was a lot of

0:44:37.200 --> 0:44:40.279
<v Speaker 1>stuff that was you know, sort of dry and and

0:44:40.400 --> 0:44:44.440
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't a good student. I mean, I I don't

0:44:44.680 --> 0:44:47.560
<v Speaker 1>read very well and I can't add, and you know,

0:44:48.200 --> 0:44:51.520
<v Speaker 1>so it was school was something that I looked at

0:44:51.760 --> 0:44:53.720
<v Speaker 1>as a place to leave.

0:44:55.160 --> 0:44:58.480
<v Speaker 2>Well said, what set what set you on that part then?

0:44:58.800 --> 0:45:01.720
<v Speaker 2>And where did you find this the courage to think, actually,

0:45:01.719 --> 0:45:03.440
<v Speaker 2>this is what I love and I'm good, I'm actually

0:45:03.480 --> 0:45:04.120
<v Speaker 2>going to try and.

0:45:04.400 --> 0:45:05.440
<v Speaker 3>Do this as a child.

0:45:05.840 --> 0:45:07.719
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, man, I just I never had a plan.

0:45:07.840 --> 0:45:09.680
<v Speaker 1>B I knew I wanted to be an actor, but really,

0:45:09.719 --> 0:45:11.400
<v Speaker 1>to tell you the truth, before I wanted to be

0:45:11.400 --> 0:45:14.319
<v Speaker 1>an actor. I wanted to be famous and wealthy and

0:45:14.360 --> 0:45:19.839
<v Speaker 1>get girls. But but it was acting that sort of

0:45:20.120 --> 0:45:22.839
<v Speaker 1>I thought would I took a class and I kind

0:45:22.840 --> 0:45:24.360
<v Speaker 1>of fell in love with it. But I was probably

0:45:24.400 --> 0:45:29.759
<v Speaker 1>about twelve, and then I knew I would just count

0:45:29.800 --> 0:45:32.200
<v Speaker 1>the days until high school was over. And then I

0:45:32.280 --> 0:45:35.239
<v Speaker 1>was out left home in seventeen, and you know, I

0:45:35.320 --> 0:45:38.040
<v Speaker 1>was ready to go. But you know, I don't know

0:45:38.080 --> 0:45:44.000
<v Speaker 1>that necessarily everybody has that kind of clarity. So is

0:45:44.120 --> 0:45:49.279
<v Speaker 1>part of the program to you know, kind of give

0:45:49.320 --> 0:45:52.080
<v Speaker 1>people the skills to figure out what it is that

0:45:52.120 --> 0:45:54.280
<v Speaker 1>they might want to do with their lives.

0:45:54.960 --> 0:45:57.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was so I see, Yeah, sorry, no, it's

0:45:57.840 --> 0:45:59.600
<v Speaker 2>just going to say, I think you know, you're right.

0:46:00.000 --> 0:46:03.040
<v Speaker 2>Everybody might have that clarity. But I think you can

0:46:03.360 --> 0:46:08.280
<v Speaker 2>empower kids to have the aspiration to not to settle,

0:46:08.320 --> 0:46:11.640
<v Speaker 2>then to actually find something that they really love, you know,

0:46:11.680 --> 0:46:14.120
<v Speaker 2>and we might not always hit that, but I think

0:46:14.160 --> 0:46:18.000
<v Speaker 2>giving kids permission to like teach them how do you

0:46:18.040 --> 0:46:18.680
<v Speaker 2>build dreaps?

0:46:18.760 --> 0:46:20.920
<v Speaker 3>How do you set goals? How do you how do

0:46:20.960 --> 0:46:22.080
<v Speaker 3>you explore what you love?

0:46:22.160 --> 0:46:22.359
<v Speaker 1>You know?

0:46:22.400 --> 0:46:26.360
<v Speaker 2>These are such key conversations. I mean, one percent of people,

0:46:26.400 --> 0:46:29.040
<v Speaker 2>like you might have that clear goal. Most people you've

0:46:29.040 --> 0:46:31.239
<v Speaker 2>got You've got to be freed up, haven't you to

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<v Speaker 2>kind of try different things and to fail? And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>how can you do that without the failing?

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<v Speaker 3>And I think sort of.

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<v Speaker 2>Kids get pushed into what they should be doing or

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<v Speaker 2>their parents want them to do, and is so empowering

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<v Speaker 2>when young people can be told, actually the teachers now

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<v Speaker 2>saying to me, what do I what would you?

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<v Speaker 3>What really excites you?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, maybe there is a career in that or

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<v Speaker 2>maybe you know, and it's that free thinking that it's

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<v Speaker 2>never really articulated for young people.

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<v Speaker 3>But I do think you're right.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, the teachers are such heroes and it isn't in

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<v Speaker 2>a way the teacher's job, because they're battling. They're in

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<v Speaker 2>a job, they're badling. You know, they're doing their best

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<v Speaker 2>to serve their community, serve their class, earn a living,

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<v Speaker 2>do their best, make a difference, and as you say,

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<v Speaker 2>aren't always paid brilliantly and they're always often on the

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<v Speaker 2>back foot and therefore becoming exit. The vision was try

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<v Speaker 2>and step into that gap a little bit and resource

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<v Speaker 2>teachers to be able to be that person and then

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<v Speaker 2>be that inspiration to young kids to help fire a

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<v Speaker 2>whole load of Kevin Bacon's out there in the world

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<v Speaker 2>to find what.

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<v Speaker 1>They tell me what does on a on a on

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<v Speaker 1>a just a basic function of function function or basis

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<v Speaker 1>what what what does becoming action do? And and and

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<v Speaker 1>and and and also tell me how people can get

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<v Speaker 1>involved and help and learn about it, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, absolutely, so a few different things. So, first, we

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<v Speaker 5>have a platform, an education platform for schools and for

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<v Speaker 5>parents that allows them to essentially teach this stuff kind

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<v Speaker 5>of ready to go lessons that they can deliver in school.

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<v Speaker 5>So we want to teach your kids how to work

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<v Speaker 5>well as a team. You've got a plug and play lesson.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, Bear introduces them all. We have insights from

0:48:17.000 --> 0:48:19.359
<v Speaker 5>different people, you know, so if it's a lesson, if

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<v Speaker 5>you want to do a lesson with your kid on

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<v Speaker 5>you know, discipline, well hey you've got Bear introducing it.

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<v Speaker 5>You might have some insights from Rodern Federer, right, You'll

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<v Speaker 5>get that kind of that kind of insights from people.

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<v Speaker 5>But it's also backed by real evidence, so really really

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<v Speaker 5>high quality teaching content. So that's kind of the education side.

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<v Speaker 5>We also do a lot of work with companies as well,

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<v Speaker 5>supporting the kind of building the next generation of leaders

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<v Speaker 5>who are inspired to build great teams.

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<v Speaker 3>To have an impact on what they do.

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<v Speaker 5>And thirdly, we know we're also really proud of the

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<v Speaker 5>social impact work we do. You know, Bear has been

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<v Speaker 5>out to Kiev recently to meet President Zelenski. We've just

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<v Speaker 5>built an amazing platform for you Ukrainians. So we're trying

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<v Speaker 5>to support the seven million Ukrainian refugees at the moment,

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<v Speaker 5>but also really excited to build another platform for refugees

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<v Speaker 5>in the UK. So we're really just looking at all

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<v Speaker 5>these different groups to say, how can we equip them,

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<v Speaker 5>how can we give them the opportunity, how can we

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<v Speaker 5>give them the skills. So really that's our big goal,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, different audiences and different ways to get involved.

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<v Speaker 1>Amazing. That sounds amazing, and how can people help and

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<v Speaker 1>how can people learn about it? This is the this

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<v Speaker 1>is the moment for the card that action.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, so I think listen a few things. I think

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<v Speaker 5>if you're in education becoming x dot com slash education,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, there's a way that immediately your school can

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<v Speaker 5>start teaching this, or if your school, if this isn't

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<v Speaker 5>on the agenda for the school at all, you can

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<v Speaker 5>do this as a parent. I think if you're a

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<v Speaker 5>big you know, international film star Kevin and you want

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<v Speaker 5>to do a film with us, you know, always great.

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<v Speaker 5>We want to have people tell their real story. I

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<v Speaker 5>mean that's been one of the great privileges of this

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<v Speaker 5>is having so many inspiring people join us and tell

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<v Speaker 5>a story that other people don't know. They were so

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<v Speaker 5>empowering for young people in particular to hear the you know,

0:50:07.480 --> 0:50:10.120
<v Speaker 5>the stars they see on TV. They weren't born talented.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, these are people that had to work in it,

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<v Speaker 5>that have failed, that have just invested so much time.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, thank you guys, Bear Grills, Paul Gurney Becoming X.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been so fun talking to you Bear from an island,

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<v Speaker 1>Paul from your very cozy office, temperature controlled. It's been

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<v Speaker 1>great meeting both of you. I'm super impressed with everything

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<v Speaker 1>that you're doing. And you know, keep up the great work.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, then you're you're a star. Thank you for having

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<v Speaker 2>a son. And yeah, likewise, back at you. Keep up

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<v Speaker 2>making a difference and we'll get it together.

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<v Speaker 3>For running wild one time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and yeah, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Would love to keep the Lincoln.

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<v Speaker 1>I would love to Yeah, sure, for sure.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, God blessed. Thank you guys.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, guys, thanks for listening to another episode of Six

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<v Speaker 1>Degrees with Kevin Bacon. If you want to learn more

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