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Speaker 1: This is a fun one. I'm glad you're here, Bear Grills.

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Speaker 2: Likewise likewise, so nice to see you. Sorry to be

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Speaker 2: rushing in late. Normally it's a normally well often it's

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Speaker 2: Live on this little twenty acre island. It's about two

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Speaker 2: But it's funny because for years I've privately at home.

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Speaker 2: And how often hard that bringing lead to brilliant lives

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Speaker 2: And it's about connections and friendships and living with that

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Speaker 2: tension has been what's made it work. You know, we

437
00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,639
Speaker 2: never do second take of anything. It never feels like

438
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,920
Speaker 2: we're trying to create anything. It's like all like, does

439
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,040
Speaker 2: not turn the camera and follow and then see where

440
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:54,600
Speaker 2: it leads?

441
00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,760
Speaker 1: No, it does not. And that's that's part of why

442
00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 1: it's it's it's so infectious. And and also I think

443
00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,240
Speaker 1: that whether you like it or not, I mean, you

444
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 1: just some do have you know, you have a quality

445
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 1: that the camera really really likes. You may not want

446
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,320
Speaker 1: to be in front of it, but there's a there's

447
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:22,080
Speaker 1: a that there's something that's that's almost intangible, uh there,

448
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 1: it's something that you know, we I think I think

449
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 1: you can get better at I mean, I feel like

450
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:31,360
Speaker 1: if you know, on my side of things, I mean,

451
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Speaker 1: you know, I don't I don't know that I really

452
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:37,159
Speaker 1: understood the camera when I was first in front of

453
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,920
Speaker 1: it because I was a theater guy, you know. But

454
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 1: but I do think that you can get better at it.

455
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Speaker 1: But but I think that there has to be something

456
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Speaker 1: that the camera a person, that this camera kind of

457
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 1: sees past the naked eye and sees an inherent positive

458
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Speaker 1: energy or or whatever the energy happens to be, which

459
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Speaker 1: it really does with you.

460
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Speaker 3: It's funny. Though you're very kind. I appreciate it.

461
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Speaker 1: I think by the way, I think, I think, I

462
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 1: think a lot about the crew though, you know, being

463
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,680
Speaker 1: a filmmaker, you know you you can't help, but think,

464
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Speaker 1: I mean, they're right along there with you. I mean

465
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Speaker 1: you must have have you been working with them for

466
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,680
Speaker 1: a long time, yeah, forever?

467
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Speaker 2: And that the better, bigger, stronger, nice Really, I mean

468
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 2: they are that they are the through unsung heroes in

469
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Speaker 2: my life. You know, we've been together from day one.

470
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Speaker 2: A lot of them were ex military guys that I

471
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 2: bought on right at the beginning, and I knew that

472
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Speaker 2: if we're going to do this journey, I really it's

473
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Speaker 2: not that I want these guys beside me.

474
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Speaker 3: It's like I need these guys beside me.

475
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Speaker 2: And there have been such a rock and a strength

476
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,359
Speaker 2: and a support and friend to me through so much.

477
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Speaker 2: And and also that yeah, they are incredible in their

478
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Speaker 2: own right.

479
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Speaker 3: They really are they carry so much gear? They do

480
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Speaker 3: everything I do.

481
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Speaker 1: I'm sure changes, you know, according to the situation, but

482
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 1: like how big a crew is it and what I'm

483
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Speaker 1: curious about the I mean it's I mean, I know

484
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Speaker 1: sometimes you have a you use a go pro right

485
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 1: sometimes that you have, but then.

486
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Speaker 2: Go pros definitely changed our filming life because the early

487
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Speaker 2: day is a man versus while if we wanted, like

488
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Speaker 2: you know, it's drones as well. It's the other thing

489
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Speaker 2: has changed our life. I mean beforehand, when we're in

490
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Speaker 2: a jungle, it'd be like would be let loose, like

491
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,399
Speaker 2: three of us, four of us and uh, and then

492
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,360
Speaker 2: they'd go, we just make sure one thirty today and

493
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Speaker 2: and you know six am tomorrow you're at this lat

494
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Speaker 2: long clearing is we're going to do a pass at

495
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Speaker 2: a helicopter and we want to pick you up as

496
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Speaker 2: you're moving.

497
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Speaker 3: And it was like, you know, super difficult.

498
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:45,440
Speaker 2: Sure, But now now with drones and go pros, it's

499
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,439
Speaker 2: made our life ever easier. I mean, it's allowed us

500
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Speaker 2: to push the boundaries and what we do. But with

501
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Speaker 2: Running Wild, the team hasn't grown much.

502
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Speaker 3: I mean there's.

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Speaker 2: Probably two carramings or seven two cameras to sound, and

504
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 2: then we have a we have a like a safety

505
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:02,439
Speaker 2: guy who's one of our who's one of my guys

506
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:06,400
Speaker 2: really who will be alongside each of them. So that's

507
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 2: like six or seven eight maybe, But we never have

508
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 2: a director, you know, we have we really don't we

509
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 2: We kind of we have people call themselves producers. Were

510
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,360
Speaker 2: really there one of us. We're all in the same game.

511
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 2: We're all we're all doing the same to helping each other.

512
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 2: They're carrying kids as much as anyone, you know.

513
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 3: They they help interview the guests quite a lot. They

514
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Speaker 3: do help with that.

515
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Speaker 2: But you know, we really keep it fluid and loose

516
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 2: and fun and light, and I think the energy comes

517
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Speaker 2: from that, and the guests often say, wow, we really

518
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 2: kind of I thought it'd be like this, but I

519
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 2: wondered would there be some craft services behind the scenes.

520
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 2: We have some you know, much more of a plan

521
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 2: and much more of an idea for what we're doing

522
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 2: in like thirty people moving and it's like it really

523
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Speaker 2: is a coil of rope and a small gang and

524
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Speaker 2: off we go and figuring it out on the move.

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Speaker 1: I don't need to ask about the thread count in

526
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Speaker 1: the on the on the in the bed in the hotel.

527
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean we try and look after people

528
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,880
Speaker 2: before and after, but for the forty eight hours you're out,

529
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 2: it's but you know, what's the experience, isn't it? And

530
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Speaker 2: I think for people like you, you know, you're you're

531
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Speaker 2: your top of your game, your your your top of

532
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 2: that tree. And you don't need none of our Running

533
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 2: World guests need the money or the fame. They don't

534
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,439
Speaker 2: need that. They want something else. They want the the

535
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 2: experience and insight into kind of some of the skills,

536
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 2: into the wild places, and and that dynamic with the crew,

537
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 2: and and it creates often really lovely friendships, and I

538
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 2: love that. I think it's very bonding. When you go

539
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 2: through intense experiences, you know where your life is on

540
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 2: the line, and you have to.

541
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Speaker 3: Trust each other. And I love that.

542
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 2: I never take that for granted. But in terms of

543
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 2: the crew, yeah, you are right. They are the remarkable heroes.

544
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 2: And I love hearing them get the right deserved accolade.

545
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 1: Oh man, I can't imagine. I can't imagine being on

546
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 1: their crew. And and you know when we when you

547
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 1: when we hang up today, you're not gonna shoot something today.

548
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 1: I don't think you're at home. What do you do?

549
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 1: What's what's your what's your what's your what's your day

550
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 1: off look like?

551
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's always quite physical on the island

552
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 2: because you know, just getting supplies is hard work. You know,

553
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 2: it's as I say, it's you know, it's two miles

554
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,879
Speaker 2: just to the mainland and there's quad bikes and there.

555
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 2: You know, if it's low tide, that's a mile then

556
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 2: up the low tide beast to get to the frack

557
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 2: to then leads you to the village. And you know, say,

558
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 2: everybody's quite physical already.

559
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 3: But I don't know.

560
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 2: I like to I like to train in the morning

561
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 2: and nothing crazy. I like to be outside but for

562
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 2: half an hour and I do a mixer stretching and

563
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 2: I have my pill up bar and you know, the

564
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 2: dogs chase me around and I do work out and

565
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 2: then I run down. I dive in the sea every

566
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 2: day and then you know, then it's kind of just life.

567
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 2: I mean with I do. I don't do very much

568
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 2: press stuff. I actually don't do many of these sort

569
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 2: of things. I definitely I'm not a sort of I

570
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 2: don't And there's no filming when we're not filming.

571
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Speaker 3: You know, that definitely is a no note for me.

572
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 3: But you're just normal life as a.

573
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 2: Family and bringing up teenagers and you know, definitely not

574
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 2: a there's no heroics at home.

575
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've low down the pecking order.

576
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 2: You know, You've got the dogs and chickens, the cat.

577
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 2: So yeah, definitely very pretty regular life, apart from the

578
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 2: place we live, which is maybe a little bit more irregular.

579
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 2: And I try and do our filming in term times,

580
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,719
Speaker 2: so when the boys are at school, I'm away and

581
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 2: I try and pack it in. You know, we'll go

582
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 2: for ten days and we'll do a couple of episodes

583
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 2: back to back, and there's quite a lot of travel

584
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 2: often involved with that. But you know, we're pretty efficient

585
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 2: now and I've learned to One of the reasons I

586
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 2: fought hard in the early days to be able to

587
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 2: make our own shows and produce our own shows was

588
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 2: as much about just being able to schedule things when

589
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 2: we wanted them, you know, with the crew we wanted, sure,

590
00:29:55,440 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 2: and that's made a big difference because you know, otherwise wins,

591
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 2: but your family doesn't always win, and at the end

592
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 2: of the day, that's not a win. So I sort

593
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Speaker 2: of learned early on just keep try, try with all

594
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Speaker 2: your heart to keep family first, to work second. And

595
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 2: I know, I know, we all know that, but it's

596
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 2: sometimes hard to do that.

597
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 1: And sure it is, Sure it is and actually is.

598
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 2: And I've failed a bit along the way, you know,

599
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 2: when they were younger. I think that's probably a way

600
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 2: too much, you know. But now I'm really proud that

601
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 2: I am there, and I am sort of there for

602
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 2: the important stuff, and all of us could be five

603
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 2: percent more successful, ten percent more successful, but I really

604
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 2: try consciously it see that family stuff first, and I

605
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 2: think if that's happy, then other stuff follows, doesn't It

606
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 2: sure does.

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Speaker 1: I think we should bring Paul and Paul Gurney from

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00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 1: becoming X would you like to join us. Hey, Kevin,

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Speaker 1: I'm great. I'm great. How are you doing? Whereabouts are you? Paulman?

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00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 5: Doing really well? Yes, I'm in I'm in London. I

619
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 5: can see from bears weather. We're sharing the gray Skies.

620
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, doing well? Now, how did you guys meet?

621
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Speaker 5: So actually met Bear through a filming opportunity. We brought

622
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 5: Bet in to do one of the very first films

623
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Speaker 5: that we did as Becoming X. So Bear and I

624
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 5: have since set up the organization called Becoming X. But

625
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 5: it's all about helping people realize their potential. So it's

626
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 5: about giving people those really important skills and opportunities to

627
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 5: go out and succeed in life. We've already done a

628
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 5: couple of pilots and Bear luckily was one of the

629
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 5: very first people we interviewed. And it's all about sharing

630
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 5: the real insights of how people got to where they

631
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 5: got to, the real story behind the celebrity and success.

632
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 5: And you know, Bear being the star that the years

633
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 5: saw the vision of what we want to do. We

634
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 5: set up together and that's the that's the big game.

635
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 5: How can we really help people succeed and how can

636
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 5: we help them thrive in life?

637
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 1: And you yourself was a bit of an adventurer. I think,

638
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 1: is that correct.

639
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 5: Well, I've rewind ten years, yes, and that was really

640
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 5: part of the genesis of becoming X. You know, yeah,

641
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 5: I've got to do some fun stuff over the years.

642
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 5: I've raised from land to the North Pole, sort of

643
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 5: five hundred miles across the frozen Arctic minus fifty degrees,

644
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 5: done the marathon discables. So six marathons and six days

645
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 5: through the Sahara climbs of the highest mountains in the world.

646
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 1: Hang On, hang on, hang on. The marathon is a

647
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 1: it's six marathons in six days.

648
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's called the dis It's picture You're.

649
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 1: A running marathon. I just want to clarify what we're

650
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 1: talking about here.

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00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 3: It's a running marathon.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 5: So it's I mean the story behind this and this

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Speaker 5: leads into Bigcami X. I mean I was at a

655
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Speaker 5: time in my life where I wanted to really push

656
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 5: the boundaries of what was possible and really try to understand,

657
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 5: you know, what are our limits? What can we achieve

658
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 5: as individuals? And I've already done some adventures, We've done

659
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Speaker 5: some stuff. I was just curious, you know, what are

660
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 5: my own boundaries and I found myself signing up to

661
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Speaker 5: do the world's toughest race, this race from land to

662
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Speaker 5: the North Pole, and it was in doing that and

663
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 5: everyone said to me, you know, poor, you get a die.

664
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Speaker 5: You know, you're not you're not a in order of adventure.

665
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Speaker 5: You don't have a minute.

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Speaker 1: That's a running that's a running race, or so well,

667
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 1: what what runs snowshoe?

668
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, you'd be doing well to run. I mean, you've

669
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 5: got eighty kilograms of gear behind you, You've got big

670
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 5: snow boots on, so you're basically going as fast as

671
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 5: you can, trying not to fall through the ice, trying

672
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 5: not to get hypothermia, frostbite, attacked by a polar bear.

673
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 5: So you've got all You've got all that. But I'd

674
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 5: signed up to this race and it was a two year

675
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 5: journey to get.

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Speaker 1: By the way Berry, you didn't mention, you didn't. You

677
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 1: told me, uh, black fight back round, lie down, but

678
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 1: you didn't mention white bear as well.

679
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 3: Keep away from them. Yeah, unbelievable, you know, yeah, the

680
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Speaker 3: bear be castles.

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Speaker 5: That's exactly right. You you know, they're they're beautiful, incredible animals,

682
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,800
Speaker 5: but you know they can run as fast as horses.

683
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 5: Over a very short distance. They can smell you from

684
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 5: miles away. They're enormous, you know, hundreds and hundreds of kilograms,

685
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 5: and yeah, pretty scary. But Kevin, I'd signed up to this.

686
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,359
Speaker 5: Everyone said to me, you know, Paul, you're gonna die

687
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 5: because you don't have for these skills. And ironically, and

688
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,399
Speaker 5: Bear I'll probably never told you this. Ironically, you've got

689
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 5: to be like Bear Grills or Serunal Fines or someone

690
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 5: with real experience at this. And I was like, well,

691
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 5: I'm just prepared to learn, and I'm prepared to do

692
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 5: what I can. Because I was telling people I'm doing

693
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,399
Speaker 5: the world's toughest race. Someone said to me, you know, oh,

694
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 5: so you're doing the marathon day sup. I was like, no,

695
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 5: I'm doing this race to the North Pole. And I'd

696
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 5: heard of the marathon diss up as I said, it's

697
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 5: six mouths and six days through the Sahara Desert, extraordinary heat,

698
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 5: soft sand, very tough race. And I go on the

699
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 5: website and lo and behold it's also described as the

700
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Speaker 5: world's toughest race. So I thought, well, hang on, you

701
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 5: can't have two world's toughest races. Let's try and which

702
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 5: one's harder and suddenly found myself doing, you know, two

703
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,359
Speaker 5: of the toughest races on Earth in the same year,

704
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 5: and realizing actually that literally only a handful of people

705
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 5: had ever done these two and suddenly here's a guy

706
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 5: with next to no background in this stuff trying to

707
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 5: do these two adventures. So it was really through that

708
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 5: that I learned what it actually takes to do to

709
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 5: do really difficult things, which is what kind of led

710
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 5: me to do becoming X. How can we equip other

711
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 5: people to help them know that it's not about what

712
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 5: you know, It's really about the attitudes that you bring,

713
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 5: the effort that you're prepared to put into it, the determination,

714
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 5: the resilience, the relationships you build along the way, because

715
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 5: those are things that help people succeed, and sadly, we

716
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 5: don't see young people learning those things. So that's why

717
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Speaker 5: we said I'm becoming.

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Speaker 1: X correctly from go ahead, go ahead, Bert, please no.

719
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Speaker 2: I gotta say Paul I always recognized as a great

720
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 2: adventure spirit, you know when we say adventures a state

721
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Speaker 2: of mind. That the minute I'm met him and heard

722
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 2: some of his staff. Also, you've got to remember his

723
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 2: he was a corporate guy. He was just working. Where

724
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 2: are we at the time? Were your centur at the time.

725
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:52,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, fifteen years Yeah.

726
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 2: You know, and he was sort of taking all of

727
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 2: his banking up all this holiday to go and do

728
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 2: these epic races, almost dying and he's coming back sort

729
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 2: of covered and just blistered some blood and like you know,

730
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 2: you were.

731
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 3: You were raw grit that got you through those things.

732
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Speaker 2: And I think as soon as we met, I thought,

733
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 2: here's somebody's definitely got something different. But also, bubb all, Paul,

734
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:17,280
Speaker 2: you had a heart for sharing some of it, sharing

735
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 2: some of the stuff that actually what can help people

736
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 2: get ahead. And you know, when you don't pay a

737
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 2: lip service when you say you wanted to find out

738
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:25,760
Speaker 2: what the boundaries.

739
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 3: Were, you really lived that.

740
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Speaker 2: And I think what's become so powerful now with what

741
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 2: you've done is say, hold on, let's let's actually get

742
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 2: under the skin with success some of these people. We've

743
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:39,240
Speaker 2: made films with that. So often you just hear the headlines,

744
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 2: don't you that somebody has won an Oscar or you know,

745
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 2: been chosen by NASA as an astronaut, or become the

746
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 2: Nobel Prize winner. But on the back of that, and

747
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 2: your life is a testament that my life's a testament to.

748
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 2: This is an awful lot of failure. You know, we

749
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 2: fail so many times, and it's those stories that actually

750
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 2: are the interesting ones. And I think so many the

751
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 2: kids at school never get to realize how important failure is,

752
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 2: how important it is, how relatable it is when you

753
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 2: see these people that you know, Kevin, you've experienced some

754
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 2: of this as well. You know there where we build

755
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 2: our muscle, aren't they. So that was a vision of

756
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 2: becoming X and pulling me coming together, say let's actually

757
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 2: try and articulate some of your journey, some of my journey,

758
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 2: and actually make it tangible for people, you know, every day,

759
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,800
Speaker 2: people in schools growing up. The stuff they don't teach

760
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 2: you in school, you know, the way from the academics

761
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 2: actually one of the life skills that can really give

762
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 2: people an edge and demystify this whole thing of what

763
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 2: it takes.

764
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Speaker 3: To succeed and all.

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Speaker 2: You've been so brilliant, you know, for me, it's so

766
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 2: nice having you on this and being able to actually

767
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 2: say publicly what a brilliant guy you have been, how

768
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 2: resilient and positive and worked your way through so many challenges,

769
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 2: setting up becoming X and the foundation through all this

770
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 2: COVID time and you've come out of it shining and

771
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 2: that it's doing so well, and that's down to all resilience,

772
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:02,479
Speaker 2: and I admire that so much.

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Speaker 1: By the way, thanks you for pointing that out. I mean,

774
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,240
Speaker 1: that's really you know that that's kind of the essence

775
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:11,720
Speaker 1: of this of this podcast is we we we frame

776
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: it as as as an opportunity to talk to famous people,

777
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 1: but it really is about those people highlighting and giving

778
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 1: a voice to the people who are running these foundations

779
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 1: and are doing the great work on the ground. So

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00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 1: bye bye bye. By saying what you said, that's exactly

781
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 1: kind of the essence of what we're trying to highlight

782
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: here in this this podcast. You know, you said something interesting.

783
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:45,240
Speaker 1: I wonder if part of Becoming X is trying to

784
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 1: define for people exactly what success is. Because when you

785
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: look at what you guys have done, or what some

786
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 1: of the you know, some of the people that have

787
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 1: been interviewed for becoming ACCEPT done, this is like the

788
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,320
Speaker 1: very very cinnical the top of the literally on the

789
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 1: top of the mountain them Bear's case, or you know,

790
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,479
Speaker 1: you know, finishing six marathons in it a row. These

791
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 1: are to a lot of people completely unsurmountable goals and

792
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:15,439
Speaker 1: you kind of think to yourself, well, if I can't

793
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 1: do that, then I'm not going to be success. So

794
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 1: can you speak a little bit to what you know?

795
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:24,479
Speaker 1: How how what the messages in terms of how one

796
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,879
Speaker 1: defines success for oneself. Yeah?

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00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 5: Absolutely. And to set the context of this, you know,

798
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 5: we didn't want this to be about our opinion of

799
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,359
Speaker 5: what it really says. He wanted this to be evidence based.

800
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Speaker 5: It show as many stories as we could. So we've

801
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:41,280
Speaker 5: gone out now in films about sixty of the world's

802
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:44,840
Speaker 5: highest performers. You have had presidents and Peace Prize winners,

803
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 5: the ten Olympic gold medalists, Oscar winners, but also a

804
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 5: whole lot of people from really tough backgrounds who are

805
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 5: not famous but have gone through everything from homelessness, being

806
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 5: in prison and gone out and done amazing things. So

807
00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:59,959
Speaker 5: our idea of success, you know, so often into society

808
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 5: is defined by the job title, how much money you've got,

809
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 5: you know, what car you drive, And for us, that

810
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 5: is not what success is about. Successes book is about

811
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 5: waking up in the morning being proud of what you do.

812
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 5: You know, being able to look after your family, being

813
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 5: able to support in your community, and having that sense

814
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 5: that you're doing something that's fulfilling. So we want to

815
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 5: tell kids that, you know, this is not about how

816
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 5: many likes you get on social media. It's about the

817
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 5: impact you can have in the world and doing stuff

818
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 5: that challenges you so that you're always learning. So, actually,

819
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 5: all the work that we've done and all of these

820
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 5: interviews and people want to see them actually on our

821
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:36,720
Speaker 5: website becoming x dot com, all available, made available for free.

822
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 5: You know you'll hear what it takes to succeed. And

823
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 5: we took about four things when we talk about the skills,

824
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 5: the knowledge, the attitudes and relationships that you need to

825
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 5: thrive in life. And you know, we've done all of

826
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:51,359
Speaker 5: this work and we've looked at all of the other

827
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 5: bits of research out there, and it's so obvious to

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00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 5: us that education has just got a change at the

829
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 5: moment it doesn't work and help young people. And the

830
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 5: truth is it's not really changed much in the last

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00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 5: hundred years, and we're still focused on teaching particularly young

832
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 5: people knowledge. You know, what can you know about a subject,

833
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,720
Speaker 5: what can you recall in a two week exam period.

834
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 5: Now we're living at a time when we've all got

835
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Speaker 5: mobile phones, we've all got you know now AI and

836
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 5: chat GPT. The things that will help young people is

837
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 5: actually the skills they have. It's the attitudes they bring,

838
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 5: the ambition, the determination, the resilience and the relationships that

839
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,280
Speaker 5: they can bring. Those are the things that help them.

840
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,959
Speaker 5: There's no lessons on that kids aren't learning that they'll

841
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 5: go through, you know, thirteen sixteen years of education and

842
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 5: not be taught how to do with failure. They not

843
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 5: be taught how to continually work on something, and they'll

844
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 5: not be taught how to work well in their team.

845
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 5: So that's what we really want to do. How can

846
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 5: we help people learn those critical things that will help

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00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 5: them get ahead of the life.

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Speaker 1: I would think also it's also you know, at least

849
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Speaker 1: not that everybody has to know it right out of

850
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 1: the gate, but choosing something that you have a you

851
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 1: have a skill for choosing something that you care about

852
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:11,479
Speaker 1: and something that I mean, I don't know that all

853
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,720
Speaker 1: of us are going to have a job that there

854
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 1: we're going to love as much as I love my job,

855
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 1: for instance, I mean I love my job, you know,

856
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 1: but I do think that you can even if you

857
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 1: don't love your job, you can still find other things

858
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 1: that give you pleasure. As we were talking about before

859
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 1: Bear outside of your actual work. You know, things that

860
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 1: like whatever it happens to be family or I don't know,

861
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 1: cooking or the yoga or sports or you know what

862
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a million, a million things. So I

863
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: think that this these kinds of leffons. I mean, I

864
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: know for myself, I come up through the public school

865
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:59,839
Speaker 1: system in Philadelphia. I think the teachers are absolute hero

866
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 1: was uh for for what for what teachers have to

867
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 1: do and go through every day? Uh you know, it's it.

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Speaker 1: They it for very very little money and very very

869
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Speaker 1: little uh praise, and uh you know there's it's a

870
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Speaker 1: really really hard gig. And I admire what they do.

871
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Speaker 1: But in terms of like, yeah, I mean in terms

872
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Speaker 1: of like the curriculum though, you know, it was mostly

873
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 1: kind of knowledge based. I had a couple of teachers

874
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Speaker 1: that were very very inspirational and had made me think

875
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Speaker 1: about things that I hadn't really thought about in a

876
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Speaker 1: different kind of way. But there was a lot of

877
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Speaker 1: stuff that was you know, sort of dry and and

878
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 1: I wasn't a good student. I mean, I I don't

879
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Speaker 1: read very well and I can't add, and you know,

880
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 1: so it was school was something that I looked at

881
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Speaker 1: as a place to leave.

882
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Speaker 2: Well said, what set what set you on that part then?

883
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Speaker 2: And where did you find this the courage to think, actually,

884
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Speaker 2: this is what I love and I'm good, I'm actually

885
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Speaker 2: going to try and.

886
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Speaker 3: Do this as a child.

887
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Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I just I never had a plan.

888
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Speaker 1: B I knew I wanted to be an actor, but really,

889
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Speaker 1: to tell you the truth, before I wanted to be

890
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Speaker 1: an actor. I wanted to be famous and wealthy and

891
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Speaker 1: get girls. But but it was acting that sort of

892
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Speaker 1: I thought would I took a class and I kind

893
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Speaker 1: of fell in love with it. But I was probably

894
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Speaker 1: about twelve, and then I knew I would just count

895
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Speaker 1: the days until high school was over. And then I

896
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Speaker 1: was out left home in seventeen, and you know, I

897
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Speaker 1: was ready to go. But you know, I don't know

898
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Speaker 1: that necessarily everybody has that kind of clarity. So is

899
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Speaker 1: part of the program to you know, kind of give

900
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Speaker 1: people the skills to figure out what it is that

901
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,280
Speaker 1: they might want to do with their lives.

902
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was so I see, Yeah, sorry, no, it's

903
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Speaker 2: just going to say, I think you know, you're right.

904
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Speaker 2: Everybody might have that clarity. But I think you can

905
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Speaker 2: empower kids to have the aspiration to not to settle,

906
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Speaker 2: then to actually find something that they really love, you know,

907
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Speaker 2: and we might not always hit that, but I think

908
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 2: giving kids permission to like teach them how do you

909
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 2: build dreaps?

910
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 3: How do you set goals? How do you how do

911
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 3: you explore what you love?

912
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Speaker 1: You know?

913
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Speaker 2: These are such key conversations. I mean, one percent of people,

914
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 2: like you might have that clear goal. Most people you've

915
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Speaker 2: got You've got to be freed up, haven't you to

916
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 2: kind of try different things and to fail? And you know,

917
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 2: how can you do that without the failing?

918
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Speaker 3: And I think sort of.

919
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 2: Kids get pushed into what they should be doing or

920
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:44,359
Speaker 2: their parents want them to do, and is so empowering

921
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 2: when young people can be told, actually the teachers now

922
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 2: saying to me, what do I what would you?

923
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 3: What really excites you?

924
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 2: You know, maybe there is a career in that or

925
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 2: maybe you know, and it's that free thinking that it's

926
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 2: never really articulated for young people.

927
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Speaker 3: But I do think you're right.

928
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Speaker 2: Also, the teachers are such heroes and it isn't in

929
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Speaker 2: a way the teacher's job, because they're battling. They're in

930
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 2: a job, they're badling. You know, they're doing their best

931
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Speaker 2: to serve their community, serve their class, earn a living,

932
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Speaker 2: do their best, make a difference, and as you say,

933
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Speaker 2: aren't always paid brilliantly and they're always often on the

934
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Speaker 2: back foot and therefore becoming exit. The vision was try

935
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Speaker 2: and step into that gap a little bit and resource

936
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Speaker 2: teachers to be able to be that person and then

937
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:31,800
Speaker 2: be that inspiration to young kids to help fire a

938
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Speaker 2: whole load of Kevin Bacon's out there in the world

939
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 2: to find what.

940
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: They tell me what does on a on a on

941
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Speaker 1: a just a basic function of function function or basis

942
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 1: what what what does becoming action do? And and and

943
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Speaker 1: and and and also tell me how people can get

944
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 1: involved and help and learn about it, et cetera.

945
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Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, so a few different things. So, first, we

946
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 5: have a platform, an education platform for schools and for

947
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 5: parents that allows them to essentially teach this stuff kind

948
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 5: of ready to go lessons that they can deliver in school.

949
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 5: So we want to teach your kids how to work

950
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 5: well as a team. You've got a plug and play lesson.

951
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 5: You know, Bear introduces them all. We have insights from

952
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,359
Speaker 5: different people, you know, so if it's a lesson, if

953
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Speaker 5: you want to do a lesson with your kid on

954
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 5: you know, discipline, well hey you've got Bear introducing it.

955
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Speaker 5: You might have some insights from Rodern Federer, right, You'll

956
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 5: get that kind of that kind of insights from people.

957
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Speaker 5: But it's also backed by real evidence, so really really

958
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Speaker 5: high quality teaching content. So that's kind of the education side.

959
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Speaker 5: We also do a lot of work with companies as well,

960
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:44,280
Speaker 5: supporting the kind of building the next generation of leaders

961
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Speaker 5: who are inspired to build great teams.

962
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Speaker 3: To have an impact on what they do.

963
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Speaker 5: And thirdly, we know we're also really proud of the

964
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Speaker 5: social impact work we do. You know, Bear has been

965
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Speaker 5: out to Kiev recently to meet President Zelenski. We've just

966
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Speaker 5: built an amazing platform for you Ukrainians. So we're trying

967
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Speaker 5: to support the seven million Ukrainian refugees at the moment,

968
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Speaker 5: but also really excited to build another platform for refugees

969
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Speaker 5: in the UK. So we're really just looking at all

970
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Speaker 5: these different groups to say, how can we equip them,

971
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Speaker 5: how can we give them the opportunity, how can we

972
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Speaker 5: give them the skills. So really that's our big goal,

973
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Speaker 5: you know, different audiences and different ways to get involved.

974
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Speaker 1: Amazing. That sounds amazing, and how can people help and

975
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 1: how can people learn about it? This is the this

976
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Speaker 1: is the moment for the card that action.

977
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Speaker 5: Yeah, so I think listen a few things. I think

978
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Speaker 5: if you're in education becoming x dot com slash education,

979
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Speaker 5: you know, there's a way that immediately your school can

980
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Speaker 5: start teaching this, or if your school, if this isn't

981
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 5: on the agenda for the school at all, you can

982
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Speaker 5: do this as a parent. I think if you're a

983
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Speaker 5: big you know, international film star Kevin and you want

984
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:52,479
Speaker 5: to do a film with us, you know, always great.

985
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Speaker 5: We want to have people tell their real story. I

986
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Speaker 5: mean that's been one of the great privileges of this

987
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Speaker 5: is having so many inspiring people join us and tell

988
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Speaker 5: a story that other people don't know. They were so

989
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Speaker 5: empowering for young people in particular to hear the you know,

990
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Speaker 5: the stars they see on TV. They weren't born talented.

991
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Speaker 5: You know, these are people that had to work in it,

992
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Speaker 5: that have failed, that have just invested so much time.

993
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Speaker 1: Well, thank you guys, Bear Grills, Paul Gurney Becoming X.

994
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Speaker 1: It's been so fun talking to you Bear from an island,

995
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Speaker 1: Paul from your very cozy office, temperature controlled. It's been

996
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 1: great meeting both of you. I'm super impressed with everything

997
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 1: that you're doing. And you know, keep up the great work.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, then you're you're a star. Thank you for having

999
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Speaker 2: a son. And yeah, likewise, back at you. Keep up

1000
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Speaker 2: making a difference and we'll get it together.

1001
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Speaker 3: For running wild one time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and yeah, I.

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Speaker 3: Would love to keep the Lincoln.

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Speaker 1: I would love to Yeah, sure, for sure.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, God blessed. Thank you guys.

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Speaker 1: Hey, guys, thanks for listening to another episode of Six

1007
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Speaker 1: Degrees with Kevin Bacon. If you want to learn more

1008
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Speaker 1: about Becoming X Foundation, head to their website at Becoming

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Speaker 1: Exfoundation dot org. You can find all the links in

1010
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 1: our show notes. You never know who you're gonna get here,

1011
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,439
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1012
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:25,000
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