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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we're just trying to be

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Speaker 1: intangibly rich. I'm Greg Rosenthal here in the Chris Wesleyan

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Speaker 1: podcast studio with my friend Patrick Clayback.

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Speaker 2: I love I love Draft season specifically because all of

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Speaker 2: this talk about the intangibles.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it's like, he's got great intangibles.

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Speaker 2: If he has them, then how are they intangible?

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Speaker 3: Oh that's always my question.

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Speaker 2: I'm not trying to be pedantic, but it's like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: this guy's got he's got all the intangibles.

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Speaker 3: Like what does that mean? Right?

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Speaker 1: If it is literally a box that you check on

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Speaker 1: the prospect profile, it's.

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Speaker 3: No longer intend like it that becomes a thing.

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Speaker 1: And that quote intangibly rich are the types of players

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Speaker 1: that former NFL Daily guest James Gladstone used to describe

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Speaker 1: the players that he wants his philosophy. He just he said,

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Speaker 1: what do you what are you going to do? And

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Speaker 1: he said, We're going to prioritize people and players that

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Speaker 1: are intangibly rich that elevate our ecosystem.

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Speaker 2: I love elevating the ecosystem because then it resembles a

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Speaker 2: natural habitat and like gravity can do more of the

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Speaker 2: work you know to provide proper drainage.

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Speaker 1: Hey, James Skladstone is in there, he's thinking different. I

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Speaker 1: think this Jaguars team is in a nice spot, and

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Speaker 1: we leave the show with them, because yes, this is

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Speaker 1: going to be a show where we finish off our

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Speaker 1: off season previews.

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Speaker 3: The off season is off and running.

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Speaker 1: But actually I like that we're doing some of these

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Speaker 1: divisions late in the mix, like with a few moves

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Speaker 1: already happening, because we can give perspective to where they

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Speaker 1: are at right now. So I'm going to do the

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Speaker 1: AFC South with Patrick, and I'm excited to welcome into

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Speaker 1: Sean Reid, who covers the Raiders for the Athletic, Who's

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Speaker 1: going to do the AFC West with me later in

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Speaker 1: the show.

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Speaker 3: You know how we do it.

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Speaker 1: Let's put the time on the clock, Eric And yeah,

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Speaker 1: I started with the Jack. I started talking Jaguars, so

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Speaker 1: I might as well stick there. They have forty seven

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Speaker 1: million dollars in cap space. They were four and thirteen

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Speaker 1: last year. The good news is they pick fifth in

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Speaker 1: the NFL Draft. They kind of stuck up on me

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Speaker 1: of draft capital. And when I mentioned to mister Gladstone

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Speaker 1: less snead school of trading a lot, trading up, trading down.

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Speaker 1: I think maybe picking up some more picks. And yes,

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Speaker 1: my biggest question for them is really like, how do

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Speaker 1: don't see a crazy amount.

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Speaker 3: Of needs here for the Jacksonville Jaguars. Isn't that crazy? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: maybe I'm wrong, Tell me I'm wrong.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, considering you have to look up front,

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Speaker 2: this group that made that decision. Things have changed. Trimbalk's gone,

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Speaker 2: wants to find the intangibly rich, right, and they are

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Speaker 2: I guess tangibly rich in terms of cap space.

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Speaker 3: We talked about earlier this week they're one of those.

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Speaker 2: Teams that have right around fifty million dollars in space.

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Speaker 2: But I like to look back at some JAG's history.

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Speaker 2: Right in twenty eighteen, there were two players on that

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Speaker 2: And now that we're in yet another Jags rebuild, I'm

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Speaker 2: just wondering, like, what pieces of this team are viable

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a great way to put it. And I apologize.

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Speaker 1: You were supposed to lead off the Jaguars tell people there.

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Speaker 3: I know.

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Speaker 1: I didn't like nobody going to know we were just

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Speaker 1: He's a good player and he is do fourteen point

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Speaker 1: we've taped this, the Jaguars released a number of players,

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Speaker 1: it to the market. All these moves just say to me,

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Speaker 1: the Jaguars are going to be even more aggressive than

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Speaker 1: Patrick and I are talking about. I know I'm driving

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Speaker 1: our producer Eric crazy by even wanting to add this

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Speaker 1: want you to have the latest information. Let's get back

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Speaker 1: to my conversation with Patrick Brandon Sheriff is a free

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Speaker 2: All credit due to Trent Balki, but ultimately right there

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Speaker 2: opportunity to get his guys in right, intangibly rich, tangibly rich. However,

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Speaker 2: But before where it was kind of this mismatch of

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Speaker 2: It was a we needed the sum of the parts

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Speaker 1: Like, don't get me wrong, Brian Thomas Junior is a

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Speaker 1: Sorry I talked to took up all the rest of

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Speaker 2: The thing that I do not like is this conversation

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Speaker 2: because you have these tackles, like if you're drafting a tackle, like,

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Speaker 3: That's my take.

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Speaker 1: That that is very fair. I'm going to go with

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Speaker 1: the Titans next. They have fifty million dollars in cap space,

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Speaker 1: good on Day three. You always like that. And my

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Speaker 3: Ward number one overall? And I think the answer is yes.

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Speaker 3: What do you think I think the answer should be yes.

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Speaker 2: I think it should be a yes. And that's the

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm in the will category yet.

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Speaker 3: And I'm just thinking, but yeah, but don't you need

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Speaker 1: And isn't there just kind of one quarterback in this

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Speaker 1: going to go number one overall. Now, will it go

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Speaker 1: so I just think that's the most likely outcome. But

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Speaker 1: I really came away from the combine thinking, like, all

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Speaker 1: whatever it's going to be, and still take Travis Hunter

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Speaker 1: like that, that's good business if you're not into Ward.

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Speaker 3: But I think they should be into Ward.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they should absolutely be into Ward. And maybe it's

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Speaker 2: Right and cam Ward is he hasn't done anything to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's a way, right that you can take

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot on this roster that still needs

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Speaker 3: They're up to fourteen million.

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Speaker 1: You know, their head coach Dimiko Ryan said he thought

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Speaker 3: You could restructure bat little bit.

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Speaker 1: They He said that Anthony Richardson is going to face

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Speaker 2: respected to Danny Dimes? Right, How is that helping us

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Speaker 1: is Danny Dimes had a major shoulder in surgery and

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Speaker 1: did not look like he was not the biggest arm

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Speaker 1: in the league before that and just did not look

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Speaker 1: the same afterwards. And oh, by the way, he had

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Speaker 1: career threatening neck injuries before that, and so Dimes doesn't

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Speaker 1: make a lot of sense to me. There are a

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Speaker 1: lot of good enough backup quarterbacks, whether it's Jacoby Burssett,

444
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Speaker 1: whether it's your old pal bringing back Gardner.

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Speaker 3: Minto like he can keep getting.

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Speaker 1: They're good enough as backups, and I think they're probably

447
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Speaker 1: better options as backups, and that to me, maybe it's

448
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Speaker 1: it's a sign. And James Boyd pointed this out that

449
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Speaker 1: this was supposed to be the plan that they're sticking

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Speaker 1: with Ballard, stike In and Richardson. These three guys are

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Speaker 1: going to be the three that you move forward with,

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Speaker 1: and there's now a little bit of cracks in the

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Speaker 1: armor of like, are all three of those guys on

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Speaker 1: the same page? Is Ballard and stike and especially like

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Speaker 1: on the same page Ballard. No, they know they're on

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Speaker 1: the hot seat this year, especially Chris Ballard, but really

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Speaker 1: both of them.

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Speaker 2: Are, which is why it's a great opportunity to put

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Speaker 2: the target right on the quarterbacks back and say that

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Speaker 2: the off season conversation is around you know who's coming

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Speaker 2: in to be a competitor with a quarterback, and then

462
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Speaker 2: everybody can focus on that and not necessarily the whole

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Speaker 2: thing that makes you perpetual.

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Speaker 3: At eight, nine and nine and eight, let's get to that.

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Speaker 1: I'm almost impressed by stich in that they won eight

466
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Speaker 1: games last year because this team has so many problems.

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Speaker 1: Their offensive line is a mess. Ryan Kelly, their center,

468
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Speaker 1: Will Fries their guard. Heading to free agency, both are

469
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Speaker 1: going to get paid pretty well. They're both expected to leave.

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Speaker 1: Their right tackle, Brayden Smith left with a personal matter.

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Speaker 1: There hasn't been a lot of reporting about that. There

472
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Speaker 1: has been some talk that they could cut him and

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Speaker 1: save a ton of cap space, but that's just a

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Speaker 1: mystery a guy they gave a lot of money to.

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Speaker 1: So that could be three fifths of your offensive line

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Speaker 1: right there that you're looking to replace.

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Speaker 3: E J. Speed's a free agent.

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Speaker 1: Julian back Blackman's a free agent at safety. Dale Adengbo

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Speaker 1: is a free agent who is a you know, a

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Speaker 1: pretty productive edge rusher them And then I look at needs.

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Speaker 1: You got a lot of them corner but they always

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Speaker 1: need cornerbacks. I think they need defensive linemen. Still, you

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Speaker 1: need a safety still like this roster is in worse

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Speaker 1: shape than I think it's been at almost any point

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Speaker 1: in the ballad era.

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Speaker 2: And who better, right, because I think about the circumstance

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Speaker 2: when lou Anarumo was hired as the Bengals defensive coordinator,

488
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Speaker 2: where it felt like nobody wanted that job. He was

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Speaker 2: almost the last coordinator to get hired in that cycle,

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Speaker 2: and he comes in in a scramble and ultimately has

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Speaker 2: them a play within a world championship. Lou Anromo is

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Speaker 2: the perfect like calming force for the chaos that is

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Speaker 2: this Colt steam.

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Speaker 1: Right now, they have some pieces on defense. I mean

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Speaker 1: Quidy pay and Layautu. Latu is a good young group,

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Speaker 1: and your defensive line is good. You're starting one. It's

497
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Speaker 1: not as deep as it used to be. They could

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Speaker 1: open up some room by cutting Sampson Ebucom wouldn't be

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Speaker 1: surprised if that happens. But man, they got a lot

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Speaker 1: of needs. That's just the nature of the AFC South. Unfortunately,

501
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Speaker 1: over the years they have had a lot of needs.

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Speaker 1: Patrick Clayban, though you're checking those boxes, you're intangibly rich.

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Speaker 3: It's tangible.

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Speaker 2: I want to transcend the entire tangibility matrix. I want

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Speaker 2: to be all.

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Speaker 3: Things I think you have.

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Speaker 1: You are big week for Patrick across all of the shows,

508
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Speaker 1: and he'll be a big part of next week with

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Speaker 1: free agency kicking off. Before we get there, we're going

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Speaker 1: to take a quick break and we're going to hear

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Speaker 1: on the other side from Tashawan Reid of the Athletic

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Speaker 1: go over the a.

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Speaker 4: FC West.

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Speaker 3: Back on NFL Daily.

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Speaker 1: You know him as one of the best beat writers

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Speaker 1: in the game to Sean Reid of the Athletic. You

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Speaker 1: also should know him as an early guest on NFL

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Speaker 1: Daily back at Raiders training camp in July.

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Speaker 1: uh featuring Lenny Podcast hat which he got at the

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Speaker 1: at the live show that we did together. I recognize

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Speaker 1: that hat to Sean because my son literally wore to

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Speaker 1: school today for the first time.

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Speaker 3: Big coincidence, Yeah, great.

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Speaker 5: Most think so, think of light. It was my first

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Speaker 5: time wearing it, but yeah, I thought it was only right.

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Speaker 5: I saw you and Jordan Roderic obviously coming on her

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Speaker 5: show back then in La so reuniting, so I might

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Speaker 5: as well throw it on her.

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Speaker 1: I appre I appreciate it. It looks, it looks I like

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Speaker 1: the color that that, you know, baby blue. We'll be

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Speaker 1: talking about the Chargers a little bit later today where

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Speaker 1: we're going to be previewing the AFC West, wrapping up

536
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Speaker 1: our off season previews. You you've got a lot to

537
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Speaker 1: talk about when it comes to the Rams, maybe the

538
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Speaker 1: Raiders rather, maybe I'll even extend that time. But first

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Speaker 1: I have to take you to task for a bad

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Speaker 1: take you had. I saw, I happen to see it

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Speaker 1: right on Twitter right when you posted it, which was

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Speaker 1: you were you were very down on the ending to

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Speaker 1: to the movie Past Lives. This is really talking to

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Speaker 1: a small fraction of our audience, so we probably shouldn't

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Speaker 1: go too long. But I will defend Past Lives to

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Speaker 1: the end a beautiful mature I'll say it like a

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Speaker 1: grown up romantic movie. I loved it, and I will

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Speaker 1: defend it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree, it was. It was a great film,

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Speaker 5: well riding, really good acting. But the ending, I just

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Speaker 5: I'm not fine with that. I don't want to spoil

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Speaker 5: it for anybody who hasn't seen it, but it was

553
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Speaker 5: very clear who she's in love with.

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Speaker 4: And I was like, she should go.

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Speaker 3: How old are you to Shan Listen.

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Speaker 4: I'm not saying it would work out.

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Speaker 3: No, I'm just saying, how old are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm curious you're a young man in three weeks. I

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Speaker 1: think that's the perspective of a young man, you know,

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Speaker 1: in life sometimes that That's what I liked about the

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Speaker 1: movie is you know, you have you have these different

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Speaker 1: people come through your life that you're that you're so

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Speaker 1: passionate about. But sometimes that's not that's not real life,

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Speaker 1: that's not your life, and and all these feelings can

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Speaker 1: can exist at the same time. I really recommend people

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Speaker 1: check out Past Lives. Eric is looking at me like,

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Speaker 1: what are you talking about here? But that was one

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Speaker 1: of my favorite movies the last few years, and it's

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Speaker 1: wild to me. I don't know if you did you

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Speaker 1: ever see Challengers? By the way, Oh yeah, that is

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Speaker 1: written by Selene Song, who wrote Past Live's husband. I

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Speaker 1: don't know what's going on in that marriage, so there's

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Speaker 1: something going at The two of them wrote about something

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Speaker 1: in very different ways, and it's very interesting to think

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Speaker 1: that those two movies came from the exact same marriage.

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Speaker 1: That just a little shout out to the movie folks

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Speaker 1: out there. Let's get going. Let's talk about the AFC West,

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Speaker 1: and I want to start with the Chiefs. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's been a while since we talked about the Chiefs.

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Speaker 1: I think they have a fascinating off season. Let's put

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Speaker 1: the time on the clock, Eric to Shan get us going.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: So, obviously, the last time we saw the Chiefs they

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Speaker 5: were getting the doors blown off in the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 5: I think that's rained a lot of pessimism over the franchise.

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Speaker 5: Nothing you have to remember, like this was a team

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Speaker 5: that went fifteen to two and made his third Super

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Speaker 5: Bowl in a row. It could be a lot worse

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Speaker 5: than the in the Chiefs right now. They with that

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Speaker 5: being said, they do have some major needs. Obviously, they

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Speaker 5: just traded Joe Toney, who somehow became their start and

592
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Speaker 5: left tackle for the end of last season. They already

593
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Speaker 5: had a pretty massive need at left tackle going into

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Speaker 5: his as. But now you could argue that they also

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Speaker 5: have one at guard defensive tackle because outside of Chris Jones,

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Speaker 5: they don't really have a lot of bodies there. And

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Speaker 5: then receiver. You know, I know that they made a

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Speaker 5: moving season last season to get DeAndre Hopkins. You know,

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Speaker 5: obviously the rocket that they drafted had a pretty good season,

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Speaker 5: but it was it was tough for them after losing

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Speaker 5: Rashid Rice and clearly Travis Kelsey just isn't the same

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Speaker 5: player anymore, and so I think that to also be

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Speaker 5: a position that makes sense for them to Add to

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Speaker 5: the issue is they currently don't have any cap space.

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Speaker 5: I believe they're still over the cap even with the

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Speaker 5: inflated number that they have now. And of course they

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Speaker 5: can play around with it, maybe restructure Patrick Mahomes deal

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Speaker 5: for the thousand times since he's under contract until the

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Speaker 5: end of the NFL and so we'll see what what

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Speaker 5: wasardreed they cook up to create some space. But they

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Speaker 5: do have some some key needs. That's some pretty important

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Speaker 5: positions that they do need to address this Offsson.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny you mentioned Mahomes.

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Speaker 1: I wonder if he's do an actual new contract now

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Speaker 1: it would be a restructure, but it's about time to

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Speaker 1: me that he gets a raise, another fix, which they're

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Speaker 1: going to keep doing. And look at that's what's team

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Speaker 1: friendly about it. And yet he's seen these other quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: jump above him and they could open up cap space

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Speaker 1: one way or another. Yeah, I think they'll use that

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Speaker 1: Mahomes contract to open up cap space. It's crazy you

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Speaker 1: mentioned the lack of cap space. They also don't have

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Speaker 1: a second round pick. You know, they have that trade

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Speaker 1: for DeAndre Hopkins. They do have an extra third, but

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Speaker 1: they don't have one between the fifth and the seventh,

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Speaker 1: and so you kind of add that up like not

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Speaker 1: a ton of draft capital, not a ton of cap space,

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Speaker 1: And then I hear you that you could be in

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Speaker 1: a lot worse shape than the Chiefs. But I do

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Speaker 1: think last year was a push it all the way

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Speaker 1: in here, and this is gonna be a very tricky

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Speaker 1: offseason for Brett Veach because you listed some of the

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Speaker 1: free agents DeAndre Hopkins, Hollywood Brown, who I've heard they

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Speaker 1: want to bring back, Juju Smith, Schuster, Kareem Hunt, Carson Wentz,

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Speaker 1: whatever on the offensive side. But Trevelle Wharton was a

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Speaker 1: good player for them at defensive tackle. I got him

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Speaker 1: ranked pretty high, Nick Bolton, I have him ranked pretty

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Speaker 1: I justin Reid, a good safety, ranked pretty high. Charles

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Speaker 1: Amena who was starting for them. So they just have

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Speaker 1: a lot to do this offseason and they're one of

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Speaker 1: the best at doing it. But man, they're kind of

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Speaker 1: in uncharted territory of you know, year six of this

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Speaker 1: dynasty without really taking a step back. So I'm curious

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Speaker 1: how they approach it. What do you think they'll do,

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Speaker 1: What do you think they'll prioritize? Maybe first, yeah, I agree.

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Speaker 5: With you that it doesn't feel like some sort of

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Speaker 5: pivot point needs to come. And we saw this before

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Speaker 5: this most recent iteration of the dynasty started when they

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Speaker 5: traded Tyreek Hill.

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Speaker 4: That was a big shift where they.

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Speaker 5: Saved a lot of money through that in the move

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Speaker 5: and invested it in the defense, which was a weakness

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Speaker 5: for them even though they had success to that point,

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Speaker 5: and they became really a defensive team, you know, especially

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Speaker 5: this year. We still have Patchion Mahome of course, and

656
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 5: he could, you know, come up clutch and help them

657
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 5: win a bunch of close games. But this offense really

658
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 5: hasn't been you know, I would say it's still been good,

659
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 5: but it hasn't been that dynamic offense that you're used

660
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Speaker 5: to seeing with Mahomes and read in tow and so

661
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 5: it's seeing how do they try to navigate adding to

662
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 5: that offense because they clearly need help. Like I think

663
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Speaker 5: I'm not saying Travis Kelce has washed you look pretty

664
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Speaker 5: bad at the Super Bowl, but they need a clear

665
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 5: cut number one receiver. Maybe that's just for Shee Rice

666
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Speaker 5: when he comes back and he's fully healthy, because he

667
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 5: was playing really well before that injury last season, So

668
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Speaker 5: maybe he's the guy. They don't need to make a

669
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Speaker 5: big move ad receiver, but offensive line, like they have

670
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Speaker 5: to do something right, And I think, like, what is

671
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Speaker 5: the answer there?

672
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Speaker 4: Like what does it look like?

673
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Speaker 5: You don't really have any cap space, like you mentioned,

674
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Speaker 5: they don't have a ton of draft capital.

675
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Speaker 4: What do they do you know?

676
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Speaker 5: Because I think it's pretty clear that the answers aren't

677
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Speaker 5: in house. And I know the rookie that they took

678
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Speaker 5: last year, Kingsley, maybe he's he had a really rough

679
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 5: rookie year. Maybe he bounces back, and we've seen guys

680
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Speaker 5: improve in the past. So yeah, I don't want to

681
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Speaker 5: like say his career is over because he had a

682
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:57,719
Speaker 5: bad rookie season. But I think the offensive line are

683
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Speaker 5: both running the ball and.

684
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Speaker 4: Pass for section.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the plan is to play Sue Mattea

686
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Speaker 1: at left guard or to try them there. We launched

687
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Speaker 1: this new show on Thursday with Daniel Jeremiah, and he

688
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: was banging that Ronnie Stanley to the Chiefs drum pretty hard.

689
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Speaker 1: And this is a man who always knows more than

690
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 1: he is. Letting On is very connected, especially with the

691
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Speaker 1: Ravens where Ronnie Stanley was, and so that's interesting. I

692
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 1: don't know where they find the money for that. Maybe

693
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Speaker 1: that's the Mahomes thing. I think they do want to

694
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Speaker 1: bring back Marquise Brown, who would kind of be like

695
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 1: a relatively cheap number two. But man, they could use

696
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: an edge they could use. They're gonna need a backup quarterback,

697
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 1: by the way. I don't know if they want to

698
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: draft one too. They could they could do that thing.

699
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: They need to restock their quarterbacks. They always find these

700
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Speaker 1: guys that you never heard of and then they do well,

701
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Speaker 1: So they need another one of those soon. I think

702
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Speaker 1: you're you're biased on the Chiefs though, because you think

703
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: their offense is trash, because they're always trash against the Raiders.

704
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Speaker 3: You know that's what you should.

705
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I don't know.

706
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Speaker 5: I always gonna, you know, have faith and Patrick Mahomes,

707
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:03,479
Speaker 5: but this feels so stagnant, like everything's so difficult. And

708
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Speaker 5: I think when they won those first two Super Bowls,

709
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 5: what they really got back to is I guess for

710
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Speaker 5: the first time what they did since they got Mahomes

711
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 5: was they were really running the ball well, you know,

712
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Speaker 5: and I think that really caught the Eagles off guard

713
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 5: in a Super Bowl that they won, and they really

714
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 5: couldn't run the ball this year. Maybe part of that

715
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 5: was for Czecko getting hurt, but they really had like

716
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Speaker 5: Freema Hunt, right, you know, significant carries. So I don't

717
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Speaker 5: know how much of that it was just the running

718
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 5: back with this not being great in the offensive line

719
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Speaker 5: not being great.

720
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Speaker 4: But if you're going to have those question marks at

721
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Speaker 4: receiver Travis Kelsey.

722
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Speaker 5: Turning back, you know, swing down a little bit, they

723
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Speaker 5: have to find a way to run the ball successfully

724
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Speaker 5: again for this offense to take another step forward.

725
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Speaker 1: Maybe maybe I'm just wishful thinking, but it feels like

726
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Speaker 1: I had to come back to the pack season for

727
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Speaker 1: the Chiefs, which I didn't think, you know, going into

728
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: last year, and it didn't happen. We'll see, Although it

729
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: was funny listening to I heard Peter Schrager comment it

730
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 1: was on the Simmons podcast that like Mahomes is hearing

731
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: everything people are saying and he's ready to you know,

732
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Speaker 1: light the league on fire and come back with a vengeance.

733
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: Like okay, like I do want to see that that

734
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: Mahomes again. I set you up very poorly as a host.

735
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,839
Speaker 1: I need to learn, you know, I'm only what eight

736
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 1: months into this. I threw the ball to you, like

737
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 1: right before the clock went off. That was like a

738
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 1: grenade like in the NBA when someone just had to

739
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,320
Speaker 1: chuck it up at the buzzer. I'm going Broncos next,

740
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 1: put five minutes on the clock. Really interesting offseason ahead

741
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: forty million dollars in cap space. That's plenty twentieth pick

742
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Speaker 1: of the draft. They have their first four picks of

743
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,800
Speaker 1: the draft, no fifth, but whatever they're they're good in

744
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 1: terms of their important picks. My question for them is

745
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Speaker 1: is this the off season where they load up for

746
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 1: bow knicks, Because if you look at their needs, you

747
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: could argue their three biggest needs are wide receiver, running back,

748
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 1: tight end, like they just need skill position guys and

749
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 1: otherwise this rosters has a lot of potential. They got

750
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: to feel good to Sean, like getting out of cap

751
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: jail where they've been paying all this dead money for

752
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson the last couple of years, or just Russell Wilson,

753
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:08,720
Speaker 1: which felt like dead money when he was on the roster.

754
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: What do you think that they prioritize in free agency?

755
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 4: You got to get bow Nicked some more help. Obviously.

756
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 5: Last season was probably a surprisingly good season, you know,

757
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 5: for most people. For the Broncos, their defense, you know,

758
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 5: we kind of didn't know what it was going to

759
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 5: be because the twenty twenty three season was so weirdly

760
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 5: rough for them.

761
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Speaker 4: But they were a lead again, you know in twenty

762
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Speaker 4: twenty four.

763
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Speaker 5: Patter Passerstain obviously had a defensive player to year caliber season.

764
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Speaker 5: They're good on that side of the ball. Offensively, like,

765
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Speaker 5: even though bow Knicks had a pretty good rookie season,

766
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 5: was a legitimate candidate for the offensive Rookie of the

767
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,399
Speaker 5: Year award, I don't feel like he has enough help,

768
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 5: you know, And I think we saw that in that

769
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 5: playoff loss to the Bills. I know, they they scored

770
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 5: them like the first play of the game or whatever

771
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 5: it was, but they pretty much couldn't do anything after that.

772
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Speaker 5: Like you mentioned, they don't really have an answer a

773
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Speaker 5: running back. While Courtland Sudden. I think he's a solid

774
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Speaker 5: I would call him a number two receiver, you know,

775
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Speaker 5: I think they could still use a true number one

776
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 5: wide out or at least, you know, upgrading that room

777
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:03,359
Speaker 5: in general.

778
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Speaker 4: Even if you don't get a guy that's better than

779
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 4: Sudden and then tight end, you know, they really don't have.

780
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Speaker 5: I mean, they took the shot on the tight end

781
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 5: of their drafts a couple of years ago Dutches, but

782
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 5: that didn't work out. You know, I just think they

783
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 5: need to give him some more help. You know, you

784
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 5: probably even argue that maybe they could improve the offensive

785
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 5: line as well, just because you know, I mean, he's

786
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 5: on that Ricky.

787
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Speaker 4: Skick scale deal.

788
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Speaker 5: Like you mentioned, they have some cap space for the

789
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 5: first time in a long time, you know, the defense,

790
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 5: You don't really need to make a major addition on defense.

791
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 5: Why not just pour those resources into the offensive side

792
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 5: of the ball. And you know, Sean Payton being an

793
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,399
Speaker 5: offensive mind the head coach, of course, you would think

794
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:35,839
Speaker 5: he'd be on page with that. And so I think

795
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Speaker 5: that's yeah, they're going to, you know, focus on this

796
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Speaker 5: off season.

797
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Speaker 3: I think so too.

798
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Speaker 1: I've heard Mike Asiki could be a target that Gasiki

799
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Speaker 1: might end up deciding between Denver and staying there with

800
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: the Bengals, who will want to keep them. But they

801
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: have a lot to do on that. More on that

802
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: in a little bit. They're free agents, though they're in

803
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: a good spot. They only put one free agent in

804
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 1: my top one hundred, and that was DJ Jones, who's

805
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: an tackle who I put at like ninety five or

806
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: something like that, So they're not losing great players. Zach Allen,

807
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,919
Speaker 1: who who had a terrific season last year All Pro,

808
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: wants more money. He's in the last year of his contract.

809
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,240
Speaker 1: Courtland Sutton wants more money. That one's a tricky one.

810
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 1: They said they'll address it when it's time. Because I'm

811
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 1: with you, I think they maybe view him as a two.

812
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 1: They are a sneaky team to me, for a DeVante

813
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: Adams type of move, or even a DK Metcalf trade

814
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 1: if they really wanted to get crazy. I think they're

815
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: feeling themselves a little bit. This is a Sean Payton team.

816
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: They're always They're always feeling themselves, and I think they

817
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: feel like they got their quarterback.

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00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,280
Speaker 3: They love themselves, some bow knicks, and they're ready.

819
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 1: They're ready to push like how do you view them

820
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 1: in the hierarchy of this division and and you know,

821
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 1: you know you're covering the Raiders on a daily basis,

822
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 1: that that's a team now that feels like, look, we've

823
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 1: put the Raiders in the rear view, we're way ahead

824
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 1: of them.

825
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was like a one constant for the Raiders.

826
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 5: Like as bad as things have been for them for

827
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 5: you could argue, like the last twenty years, they were

828
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,839
Speaker 5: always you know, beating up on the Broncos pretty much

829
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 5: as a blate. They could count of that every year,

830
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 5: we're gonna we're gonna beat the Broncos. And this year

831
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 5: that that change. And you know, I think, you know,

832
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 5: the regular clearly lasts in the division and we'll get

833
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 5: to them later. But the Broncos, I still have questions

834
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 5: about their ability to you know, as they contend. You know,

835
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 5: like I don't think they're really going to be pushing

836
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 5: the Chiefs unless they do significantly improve where they stand

837
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 5: on the offense side of it. I think they're the

838
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:27,879
Speaker 5: defense is legit. You you could argue it's the best

839
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 5: in the league, or at least top three in the league.

840
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 5: But unless they really add some more firepower on offense.

841
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 5: It's kind of hard to see them taking that next

842
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 5: step because I think both Knicks, even as good of

843
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 5: a rookie season as he had, is he.

844
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Speaker 4: Really like going to be like a superstar quarterback. I

845
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 4: feel like he's more so that guy is going to be.

846
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 1: Like good, Like I think agree Lessen to Broncos Twitter,

847
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: he's a superstar, Like, don't you don't say anything bad

848
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:49,240
Speaker 1: about him?

849
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, just you know, I don't think he's Drew Brees,

850
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 4: you know what I mean.

851
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 5: Like, I think he's like a solid, good, competent NFL

852
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 5: quarterback and you can win with that.

853
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 3: You know.

854
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 5: Obviously the Eagles had like the Avengers, but Hurst was

855
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 5: largely just like Okay, this year, we heard a lot

856
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 5: of criticism look past.

857
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 4: The game pretty much the entire year, and they want

858
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 4: a super Bowl.

859
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 5: Not only do they want a super Bowl, but they

860
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 5: like blew out you know, the back to back defending champion.

861
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 5: So I went on a Twitter ran about this the

862
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 5: other day, like I don't think you need necessarily a

863
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 5: superstar quarterback to win, And I think it's fine if

864
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 5: Knicks doesn't become that, but that just makes it any

865
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 5: even more imperative that you build up everything else around it,

866
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 5: and they have the resources to do it, so they

867
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 5: just have to you know, use that money rising.

868
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:28,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think look, I think they could use another edge,

869
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 1: even though they're good on defense. It's Jonathan Cooper and

870
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Speaker 1: Nick Bonito. Just add one more to the mix. You

871
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: always want to be adding to the line, and that's

872
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 1: something they could look at. But the kind of the

873
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 1: world is their horse or Sean Payne has done a

874
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 1: great job fixing that thing quickly.

875
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 3: Under the gun. That's a pro move right there. All right,

876
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 3: let's get to your Raiders. Let's just do it now.

877
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,839
Speaker 3: I'll let you kick it off, go for it.

878
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, So annual tradition of the Raiders looking for a

879
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 5: new head coach and GM continued this year. You know,

880
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 5: there was some questions about whether they would clean clean

881
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 5: house completely, but with the revamped ownership group including minority

882
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 5: owner Tom Brady, you know, huddled together Mark Davis and

883
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 5: they decided to just hit the heart reset and they

884
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 5: landed on a familiar face to many or pretty much

885
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 5: anybody who falls NFL and Pete Carroll at head coach,

886
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 5: the oldest head coach in NFL history as of the

887
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 5: start of next season. In GM John spi Tech, who

888
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,320
Speaker 5: was a long time executive with the Tampa Bay Bucks,

889
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,439
Speaker 5: and they're pretty much working with a clean slate.

890
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,280
Speaker 4: They have the second most cast space in the league.

891
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 5: The exact number is kind of up in the air

892
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 5: because they just decided yesterday to make Max Prisby the

893
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 5: highest played, you know, the highest paid nine quarterback ever

894
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 5: with his three year extension, and so they should be

895
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 5: over one hundred million dollars in the cast space.

896
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:44,840
Speaker 4: Which is obviously, you know, a ton of money.

897
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 5: And they also have the number six overall pick in

898
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 5: the draft in addition to an extra third round pick

899
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:51,879
Speaker 5: as a result of the Devonte Adams trade last year.

900
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 5: So they have a ton of resources and a new

901
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 5: regime that can pretty much remake the roster in their image,

902
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 5: because outside of Max Prisby, the only guys really of

903
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 5: no on the roster are Brock Bowers, who's going to

904
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 5: be on a Ricky deal for the foreseeable future, and

905
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 5: then Christian Wilkins, who they signed to a significant contract

906
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,399
Speaker 5: last year. I think the question is, you know, is

907
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 5: you know, are there really enough free agents worth spending

908
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:14,840
Speaker 5: that type of money on this offseason. I think this

909
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 5: is a weaker free agency class and a lot of

910
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 5: the free agency of note for the Raiders are guys

911
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 5: that were already on the roster last year because basically

912
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,280
Speaker 5: their entire defense in a free agency.

913
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 4: The biggest name is safety Trayvon Merrick, but you go.

914
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 5: Down the list, I mean, Robert Flaine, Malcolm Kombs, Nate Hobbes,

915
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:34,919
Speaker 5: Adam Butler, John Jenkins, Divan Diablo. Like I said, pretty

916
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 5: much the whole defense is hitting free agency. So see,

917
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 5: it's being interesting to see which one of those guys,

918
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 5: those guys that they bring back and then you can

919
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 5: pretty much just throw a dark you know, at the

920
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 5: board and they need to add help at their entire

921
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 5: on the entire offensive side of the ball. So they

922
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 5: need a lot of help there. You know, do they

923
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 5: take a big swing of quarterback and free agency? Do

924
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 5: they draft a guy early on? So you know, it's

925
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 5: it's pretty much wide open, like they could essentially do anything.

926
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 5: It's just you know how they go about doing it.

927
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, It's it's interesting because you know, we just talked

928
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: about a team and the Broncos I said, don't have

929
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: a lot of key free agents. I mean those are

930
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: good players. I have a lot of those guys pretty

931
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:13,320
Speaker 1: high on my list the Raiders defenders that are becoming available,

932
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 1: but when there's a regime change, there's not as much loyalty,

933
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 1: but that those are just more positions that they have

934
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 1: to fill. Like I like, Nahops can play more, can

935
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 1: play splaining, can play Kunts when he when he was healthy,

936
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: was playing well at the end of that a couple

937
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,359
Speaker 1: even Reclamation Project Kalvon chase On played kind of well

938
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: for them, Divine Diablo, Like they have a lot and

939
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 1: yet their biggest needs to me are still the skill positions. Uh,

940
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 1: Jacoby Meyers, Michael Mayer, do you think either one of

941
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 1: those guys will get traded? And yeah, clearly this team

942
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 1: kind of needs receivers, needs a quarterback, needs a running back.

943
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 4: I would say, well, not on defense side of the ball.

944
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 5: He did bring back defensive play to Patrick Graham who's

945
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 5: been for the last few years, so that I could

946
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 5: probably increase the chances of them resigning.

947
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 4: Some of those guys.

948
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 3: Good point.

949
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:01,360
Speaker 5: But to your question, me and my colleague vict Tafor

950
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 5: who also covers the Raiders at the Athletic we reported

951
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 5: last week that the Raiders have had trade negotiations with

952
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 5: the negotiations with conversations with teams about tight end Michael Mayer,

953
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 5: who you know, people don't remember last year he had

954
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 5: a significant stretch that he missed due to personal reasons,

955
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 5: and he also just took a size of lead lesser

956
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,359
Speaker 5: role with the emergency Rock Bowers, who was the first

957
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 5: team All Pro. And as you mentioned, it's a new regime.

958
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 5: They do have the same tight ends coach as they

959
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 5: did last year. But you know, with Michael Mayer not

960
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,359
Speaker 5: really having a path to having a significant role, it's

961
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 5: still being on a rookie deal. You have to imagine

962
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 5: there's some teams that thought pretty highly of him coming

963
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:35,240
Speaker 5: out of Notre Dame. I mean a lot of people

964
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 5: considered him to be the number one overall tight end

965
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 5: in that class. I know Saan Laporta, you know, went

966
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 5: before him, but there was plenty of teams that would

967
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 5: have drafted him in the top thirty five picks where

968
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 5: the Raiders ended up drafting them. And so maybe you

969
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 5: don't get a second round pick for him, you know,

970
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:47,919
Speaker 5: but if you can get a solid you know, third

971
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 5: round or fourth rounder or something.

972
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 4: Like that, maybe it makes sense.

973
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:52,839
Speaker 5: Jakoby Myers, I think he's going to be a guy

974
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:54,839
Speaker 5: that they want to hold on to. I do think

975
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 5: that he's kind of in that court to Courtland and

976
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,839
Speaker 5: Sun space of like being more of a number two

977
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 5: than he is at number one. And do think the

978
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 5: Raiders would like to make upgrade at receivers. So maybe

979
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 5: they are a team that you know gets into the

980
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 5: DK Metcalf sweitchtakes. They do have an coach dk Metcalf

981
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 5: for a couple of years.

982
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 4: Okay, so maybe that's the lat spot that makes sense

983
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 4: for them.

984
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 1: I want to ask you, then, we only got a

985
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:17,280
Speaker 1: minute left. Are you hearing any of the Gino Raiders

986
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 1: buzz because Jeremiah threw it out there on the podcast

987
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 1: that he hears that you know could potentially be moved

988
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 1: and the Raiders are such an obvious pick for me

989
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 1: as a Gino fan mixed he would look great in

990
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 1: the uniform. I want him to be winning playoff games.

991
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 1: I don't know if the Raiders can help him with that,

992
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:37,439
Speaker 1: but we'll see. Have you heard anything about that?

993
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 5: I think it's kind of a similar thing with the

994
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 5: Matthew Stafford deal, right, Like the Raiders would love to

995
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,760
Speaker 5: have Gino Smith, right, But like, are the Seahawks actually

996
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 5: going to trade him, think so, because why would they?

997
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,240
Speaker 5: You know, they're not really in a position to replace

998
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 5: him in the draft. There's not a it's not an

999
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 5: attractive free agent market for quarterbacks. I don't really know

1000
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 5: if any other quarterbacks is going to be available via

1001
00:44:58,040 --> 00:44:59,800
Speaker 5: trade that would be an upgrade over Gino Smith.

1002
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:01,359
Speaker 4: And so it's like for who for what?

1003
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 2: You know?

1004
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 5: The seahows is Tron the win, and I think keepan

1005
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 5: Geno Smith gives them the best chance to do that.

1006
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 3: Zero We did it. Man, they just have a lot.

1007
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 3: It's a lot of these new gms.

1008
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not surprising, and just feel like they

1009
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 1: have so much work to do on both sides of

1010
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 1: the ball with the Raiders. But if anyone can do it,

1011
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 1: it's Pete Carroll. He had one of the best I

1012
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: think rebuilding projects in the history of football. I really

1013
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: think people should like study what happened when he took

1014
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: over that Seattle team in the first three years there.

1015
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 1: So maybe he can do it again with his boy

1016
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 1: John Spytech. We wrap up the AFC West and really

1017
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 1: all thirty two teams, we've made it to the end.

1018
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: Talking about the Los Angeles Chargers, put the time on

1019
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 1: the clock. They have the what the twentieth pick in

1020
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 1: the draft, they have their picks, and then they have

1021
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:54,280
Speaker 1: seven picks after round five. They're one of those teams

1022
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 1: just as a million late round picks. For what it's worth,

1023
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 1: they have more cap space like the Raiders. Then they

1024
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 1: really know what to do with after letting go of Bosa.

1025
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 1: I think the number is around eighty million dollars. So

1026
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: again like you can't find enough good players, and to me,

1027
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 1: their needs are more on defense, even though their defense

1028
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: played pretty well last year. Khalil Mackett is a free agent,

1029
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 1: they cut Bosa, Puna Ford is a free agent. Tier

1030
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: Tart is a free agent. So you really don't have

1031
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 1: anyone up front or on the edge. You need a

1032
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 1: little more juice. And then at cornerback Christian Fulton. A

1033
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,240
Speaker 1: lot of key free agents on this team. To Sean,

1034
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 1: like they they showed up and they harbowed in the

1035
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 1: first year. It was pretty impressive for him to put

1036
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 1: that stamp on the team. Where do you think like

1037
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 1: they should focus in the really first offseason now that

1038
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 1: they got a sense of their roster.

1039
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 4: Actually I disagree. I think I think the bigger he's

1040
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:51,879
Speaker 4: on the offensive side.

1041
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:54,839
Speaker 5: You know, I think when it comes to the type

1042
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 5: of team that they're trying to be on that side

1043
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 5: of the ball, run run first team. We heard it

1044
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 5: all last off season what they want to do. I

1045
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 5: think they realized once they got into the season or

1046
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 5: we don't actually have like the guards and centers to

1047
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 5: like this, you know, And so I think investing in

1048
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 5: at an interior offensive line is a pretty big need

1049
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:12,799
Speaker 5: for them. Receiver, you know, even with lab McConkie having

1050
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 5: the season that he had, I still think they need

1051
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 5: another receivers. So maybe they're a DK Metcalf team or

1052
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 5: another and another receiver of that ilk tight end, you know,

1053
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 5: that's been a position that's been a void for them

1054
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 5: for a few years now. You know, when the last

1055
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 5: time the Chargers had a good tight end, like, it's

1056
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,720
Speaker 5: been a minute. And then even running back, you know JK. Dobbins,

1057
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 5: you know who had a solid season. He's hitting free

1058
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 5: agency because he was signed on a one year deal.

1059
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 5: So do they try to make upgrade running back? And

1060
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 5: you know Justin Herbert is a great quarterback. We've seen

1061
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:39,839
Speaker 5: what he can do. But I do think they need

1062
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:41,439
Speaker 5: to be more balanced on that side. Of the ball,

1063
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 5: and until they become that, they're probably gonna hit that

1064
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 5: wall in the playoffs, like we've seen at the two

1065
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 5: times that they made it there just being incapable of

1066
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:50,840
Speaker 5: getting over the hump. But on the defensi side of

1067
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 5: the ball, I do think, what is the plant that

1068
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 5: edge rusher, you know, with kill Lil mackitting free agency, Like,

1069
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 5: are you trying to bring him back? Obviously they just released.

1070
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they are. I think they are, but

1071
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:02,280
Speaker 1: we'll see if they can get it done. He actually

1072
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:05,320
Speaker 1: figures to be a pretty hot name in free agency.

1073
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 3: He had a good year last year.

1074
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah, And then you know, clearly they're moving on

1075
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 5: for Joey Bosa, so they need at least one, you know,

1076
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 5: starting caliber defensive man. Maybe they think he's already in

1077
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 5: hot house. You know, they have a young player to

1078
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 5: Lee who's you know, kind of has some flashes here

1079
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 5: and there, and.

1080
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:19,879
Speaker 4: Maybe they just think he's ready to step into that role.

1081
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 5: So I would expect it for them to invest more

1082
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 5: on the offensive side of the ball, you know, just

1083
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 5: even from that receiver standpoint. I mean, there's a few

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00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 5: guys out there, Stefan Diggs, Cooper Cup could be available.

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00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:33,720
Speaker 5: There's some others available on the free agent market. DeVante Adams.

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00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 5: I don't know if he has interest in playing for

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00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 5: the Chargers, but he is from California, a La is

1088
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:39,799
Speaker 5: not that far from the Bay area. Maybe that make

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00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 5: sense to go play with Justin Herbert, you know, like

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00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 5: that would probably be the best quarterback he's played with

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00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:46,320
Speaker 5: since Aaron Rodgers was you know, actually still Aaron Rodgers

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00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:48,439
Speaker 5: you know, with the Packers. So maybe that's just fine

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00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 5: the spot that makes sense.

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Speaker 1: I don't see Cup there, we'll see Cup. It's interesting

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00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 1: still hasn't been released. Maybe they're they're trying to get

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00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 1: something done in the trade. They reportedly talk to the

1097
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 1: Steelers during the season. But yeah, just to go over

1098
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,359
Speaker 1: the free agents, Josh Palmer, DJ Shark is a free agent.

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Speaker 3: Dobbins.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned they're going to need a backup quarterback, and

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00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 1: there's a lot out there, and then you know, I

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00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 1: went through some of the names before, but a couple

1103
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:14,320
Speaker 1: others on defense, Morgan Fox played a lot of snaps

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00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:16,760
Speaker 1: for them, Sante Samuel Junior played a ton of snaps

1105
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 1: for them. Christian Fulton, like those are two starting cornerbacks

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00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 1: for them, So it's similar to me to Washington in

1107
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 1: that they over performed I think in the first year

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00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 1: of the regime. Obviously they didn't have the playoff run

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00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 1: that Washington did, but if you look at what they

1110
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 1: did a year ago, it was a lot of one

1111
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 1: year deals and guys that they actually rehabb their value.

1112
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:40,240
Speaker 1: And now these guys are going back to free agency

1113
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 1: looking better than they did a year ago, and that's

1114
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:43,879
Speaker 1: a credit to the coaching staff, and maybe they can

1115
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:45,839
Speaker 1: do it again. But all it does is open up

1116
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 1: a ton of spots. If you look on our lads,

1117
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 1: they you know, they put the starters in red if

1118
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 1: they're a free agent, and there's like eight nine starters

1119
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 1: in red that that are free agents. So it's a

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Speaker 1: ton of work to do. I would keep an eye

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00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 1: a couple names, Amari Cooper. I think actually they could

1122
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 1: be a potential on a MARII Cooper and then Kevin Zeitler

1123
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 1: just as kind of a fix. You you mentioned it.

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00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 1: They definitely need interior line help. Supposedly they might try

1125
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 1: to move their center or their guard Zion Johnson to center,

1126
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: who hasn't really worked out, But I don't know if

1127
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 1: you can you can count on that it's it's a

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00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:21,919
Speaker 1: good division, these old guys coaching. To Sean, it's gonna

1129
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 1: it's gonna be like, it's gonna be a fun division

1130
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,439
Speaker 1: this year. I'm curious where do you kind of put

1131
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 1: the Chargers in the mix of the AFC West.

1132
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 5: Even the second best team in the division. I would say,

1133
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:36,919
Speaker 5: I'll put them behind the Chiefs, but I think they're

1134
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 5: better than the Broncos. Part of that is I think

1135
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 5: they have the second best quarterback in the division.

1136
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:42,280
Speaker 4: He probably.

1137
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:43,879
Speaker 5: I would also say I think they had the second

1138
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 5: best coach in a division at this point.

1139
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 4: And then in the loaded division with with coaches and you.

1140
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 5: Got Andy Reid, Jim Harbaugh, Sean Payton, and I'll pee

1141
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:53,800
Speaker 5: Carroll like, it's probably the best division from a coaching

1142
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 5: standpoint in the NFL. And so it's going to be

1143
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 5: a tough fight, But I do think the Chargers are

1144
00:50:58,120 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 5: probably the second best team.

1145
00:50:59,480 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1146
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 1: No, A lot's going to change over the next couple

1147
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 1: of weeks as we go through the frenzy. Sean Payton

1148
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 1: would definitely take exception to that. I don't know if

1149
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 1: I would Jim Harbar or Sean Payton, like, I don't

1150
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 1: know I think sometimes.

1151
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 4: Skeptical of like the Sean Payton thing.

1152
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 5: A great coach, but like I do think we go

1153
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 5: a little bit too far, Like he only won one

1154
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 5: super Bowl, you know what I mean, like it job,

1155
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 5: it's good. We talked about him like as if he's

1156
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 5: like Andy Reid. I just don't think he's like that caliber,

1157
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 5: like all time hit coach.

1158
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 1: Now I'm playing both sides of the fence here. On

1159
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 1: the positive side, I think he's one of the best

1160
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 1: offensive coaches.

1161
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 3: Of the last twenty years.

1162
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:39,799
Speaker 1: You know, he's he just is like the consistency that

1163
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 1: that offense just did it and now he had Drew Brees.

1164
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:46,839
Speaker 1: But that's a symbiotic relationship for sure, the consistency that

1165
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 1: the detail oriented offense that he ran. Man, he he

1166
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:53,840
Speaker 1: comes with an offense. On the other hand, Man, Sean

1167
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 1: Payton loves being friends with everyone in the media, so

1168
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 1: I think that does influence things a little bit.

1169
00:51:59,160 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 3: You know, that's true.

1170
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 1: So I think he gets a little bit of that

1171
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,760
Speaker 1: Jeff Fisher bump. Jeff Fisher got the bump from the middle.

1172
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:07,360
Speaker 4: Oh my god, man, Jeff, I'm from saying Louis, so

1173
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:07,799
Speaker 4: please do.

1174
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 1: Not mention, you know, then he played the media game

1175
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 1: very well, where he just he avoided a lot of

1176
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 1: criticism because he was buddies with everyone. Sean Payton doesn't

1177
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 1: need to avoid as much criticism, but man, he plays

1178
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:23,840
Speaker 1: the game well. As we were taping this to Sean

1179
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 1: and if you're listening to this, we're putting it up

1180
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 1: a little bit later. We did the AFC South part

1181
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 1: of the off season previews earlier in this episode, and

1182
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 1: we have an update to that. We have a trade

1183
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 1: which I want to get in the show here. Christian

1184
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:44,800
Speaker 1: Kirk has been traded from the Jaguars in the division

1185
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 1: to the Texans. It had been reported that Kirk was

1186
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 1: going to be cut, but this is one of those

1187
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 1: deals where sometimes you put the cut report out there

1188
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 1: for a day and seeing if you get any bites.

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00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 1: They're going to get a six round pick for him

1190
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 1: and he'll stay on his contract, which we don't need

1191
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 1: a ton of analysis for it, but I think he

1192
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 1: fits in nicely in a market there's not a lot

1193
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 1: of wide receivers available and you're not counting on him

1194
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 1: to be a number one. You're counting on him to

1195
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 1: be like a number two, three, four, whatever it ends

1196
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 1: up being. You're paying him ten twelve million dollars, and

1197
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 1: I think that's a nice bit of business actually for

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00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 1: the Houston Texans.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I like that move.

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00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 5: Obviously they have their number one in Nico Collins, but

1201
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:23,919
Speaker 5: you know Stefan Diggs, he tore his ACL last year.

1202
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 5: He's also a free agent kind of don't I don't

1203
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 5: know if he's going to be ready for the start

1204
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 5: next season.

1205
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 4: And also like what his price tag could be.

1206
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 5: And also Tangdale suffered a pretty gruesome injury obviously, and

1207
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 5: I have no idea.

1208
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 4: When he's playing football again, and so they need.

1209
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 5: Help at receiver, and I think he's a he's a

1210
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:40,800
Speaker 5: solid wide out, you know, he's more of a slot,

1211
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 5: you know, kind of Z type of guy move around

1212
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 5: the formation. But I think that makes sense with you know,

1213
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 5: the new offensive coordinator and Nick Cally and his background

1214
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:50,800
Speaker 5: using those types of guys, you know, whether it was

1215
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 5: with the Rams or how to use those guys with

1216
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:54,360
Speaker 5: the Patriots, And so it seems like a pretty pretty

1217
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:55,399
Speaker 5: smooth feel like that move.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I do too.

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00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 1: By the way, make it a little more money than

1220
00:53:57,560 --> 00:54:00,399
Speaker 1: I expected, fifteen million dollars, but again it's a one deal.

1221
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 1: This is what cap space is for I keep saying

1222
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:06,360
Speaker 1: there's too much cap space. Actually, those these one year deals,

1223
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 1: when you have too much, it's perfect. There's not much

1224
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:10,360
Speaker 1: of a risk. You just need him to stay healthy.

1225
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:14,320
Speaker 1: And look, Kirk is versatile. You are too, like you.

1226
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 1: You came with some good Kirk information out of nowhere

1227
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 1: without me telling you.

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Speaker 3: Appreciate you. Sean to that world.

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00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 4: Who got ten million dollars? So I mean like two

1230
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:25,320
Speaker 4: million for Christian Kirk.

1231
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 3: Is Yeah, it's totally fun.

1232
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 1: I remember when he signed that contract and everyone was like,

1233
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 1: you're giving how much for Christian Kirk? And he was

1234
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:37,479
Speaker 1: perfectly fine when he stayed healthy. Also meant to mention

1235
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 1: I thought Trey Hendrickson would be a nice fit, by

1236
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:42,280
Speaker 1: the way, with the Chargers, just to kind of follow

1237
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 1: up on something we talked about earlier in the week.

1238
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 1: The Bengals are indeed letting him seek a trade. We'll

1239
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:50,319
Speaker 1: see if it actually happens, but that's a position I

1240
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:53,399
Speaker 1: could see them spending some money on to Sean.

1241
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:55,799
Speaker 3: Love the work that you do.

1242
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:59,280
Speaker 1: Check him out at the Athletic, check him out on Twitter.

1243
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 1: You on Blue we got you on Blue Sky yet?

1244
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1245
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 1: All right, Deshaun on Blue Sky as well. And yeah,

1246
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 1: he'll be cranking because I think that the Raiders are

1247
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:10,239
Speaker 1: going to be front and center over this next next week,

1248
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:13,720
Speaker 1: we will be back on Sunday Night with Nick Shook,

1249
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 1: all the cuts, all the recaps. Yeah, a couple of

1250
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 1: days away from legal tampering. You know, football is back.