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Speaker 1: All right, So let's talk about big decision taken from

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Speaker 1: The market's apparently surprised a bit by the expectation of

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Speaker 1: And the economy continues to be a very mixed bag.

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Speaker 1: They're keeping them high. That means mortgage rates and other

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Speaker 1: So I covered my monologue that you've got three hundred

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Speaker 1: now voting on whether or not to authorize a strike. Now,

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Speaker 2: But that's where we are, and people forget they often

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Speaker 1: These are the fights that are most critical right now,

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Speaker 1: takeaway is the distance between the political class what they

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Speaker 1: consider to be radical. I mean, I don't even know

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Speaker 1: how many members of Congress, if any, have come out

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Speaker 1: in favor of a twenty dollars minimum wage, even the

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Speaker 1: furthest left right, and yet three quarters of American people,

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Speaker 1: in sixty percent of their publican Republican base.

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Speaker 2: Are there always a good reminder what the actual divides

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Speaker 2: are in this country. It's not what you would think

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Speaker 2: if you were watching any other news channel. Let's go

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Speaker 2: to Ukraine. There's some really interesting stuff going on behind

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Speaker 2: the scenes, which is absolutely going to explode into the

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Speaker 2: top of the news. That's a debate inside of the

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Speaker 2: NATO Alliance. Should Ukraine be put on a pathway to

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Speaker 2: NATO membership or should it be just given an extended

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Speaker 2: outright NATO membership right now? So let's go and put

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Speaker 2: this up there on the screen. This is kind of

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Speaker 2: a New York Times TikTok behind the scenes of all

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Speaker 2: the jockeying that's happening. What they say is, quote President

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Speaker 2: Biden taken every opportunity over the past sixteen months to

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Speaker 2: celebrate NATO's unity on Ukraine, but on one topic, he

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Speaker 2: finds himself somewhat isolated within the alliance when and how

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Speaker 2: Kiev would join. Mister Biden, who has been cautious about

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Speaker 2: getting NATO into a direct fight with Moscow, has sought

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Speaker 2: to maintain the status quote of more than a decade

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Speaker 2: quote a vague promise that Ukraine now that are they

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Speaker 2: say it now arguably the most powerful military force in Europe,

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Speaker 2: will eventually join the Alliance, but with no set timetable.

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Speaker 2: Now there is a huge debate among the allies, putting

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Speaker 2: pressure on Biden to quote support a significantly faster and

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Speaker 2: more certain path to membership for Ukraine. Much of this

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Speaker 2: is actually coming from the Baltic states, including Estonia, Latvia,

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Speaker 2: Poland and I'm forgetting one of them with Lithuania of course,

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Speaker 2: Estonia Latvia, Lithuania and also the new you know naming

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Speaker 2: members of the NATO Alliance as well, kind of weighing

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Speaker 2: in trying to bring Ukraine into the overall into the

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Speaker 2: actual formal alliance.

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Speaker 3: Now why does this matter, Well, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, depending on who you believe and what narrative and

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Speaker 2: all that. Let's just say that the pretext given by

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Speaker 2: Vladimir Putin for invasion of Ukraine in the first place

475
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Speaker 2: was that he could not extract a promise both from

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Speaker 2: Ukraine or from the United States, so they would never

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Speaker 2: become a member of the NATO Alliance. Now the La Latvia.

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Speaker 2: The winning of the Baltic argument is that there is

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Speaker 2: no way to guarantee long term peace to Ukraine without

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Speaker 2: extending them membership and effectively saying that if the war

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Speaker 2: in Ukraine does continue or we decide on some sort

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Speaker 2: of line, that will escalate to some full blown nuclear conflict.

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Speaker 3: The problem is is that Bristol a lot of people

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Speaker 3: won't talk about this. It's not just Putin.

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Speaker 2: Many Russians, at least according to some of the independent polls,

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Speaker 2: that we have been able to get out of there,

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Speaker 2: and nothing is perfect, but many Russians actually do agree

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Speaker 2: with the overall with the overall idea that Ukraine should

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Speaker 2: never be inside of NATO given their long history and

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Speaker 2: the border and how they feel about collective security. I

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Speaker 2: am not justifying that, I am only saying that is

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Speaker 2: how Russians feel, including not only Putin but many of

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Speaker 2: the people inside of the Russian government. So that sets

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Speaker 2: up the question of like, is this an idea which

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Speaker 2: could actually make things much worse? And what to me

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Speaker 2: is so fascinating is that Biden is the only apparently

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Speaker 2: it's Biden and the Germans right who are like, well,

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Speaker 2: hold on a second here, maybe this might be a

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Speaker 2: bad idea. This actually could get us into some sort

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Speaker 2: of insane nuclear conflict. And also, I don't think it's

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Speaker 2: an accident that the people pushing this the most are

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Speaker 2: the people who are in the Baltic States already. This

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Speaker 2: is where I get very frustrated, Crystal, these Baltic states,

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Speaker 2: they have nothing to lose, like if there's some sort

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Speaker 2: of conflict, it's game over for them anyway. In America, actually,

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Speaker 2: it's a choice for us as to whether we're going

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Speaker 2: to go nuclear over the Baltic States and whether we're

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Speaker 2: basically going to you know, annihilate some of our world

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Speaker 2: class cities, our economy, and all of that in a

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Speaker 2: conflict which you know, may maybe not actually have something

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Speaker 2: to do with us in effect, not only our economy,

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Speaker 2: our people, and our overall strategic interest. So I get

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Speaker 2: why the Baltics want to do this, but there's no

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Speaker 2: reason why we would want to do this. And actually,

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Speaker 2: if you consider or if you at least take it

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Speaker 2: out their word the Russians that this had something to

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Speaker 2: do with it, you know, not in the immediate invasion,

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Speaker 2: but the two thousand and eight promise Ukraine will eventually

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Speaker 2: go into NATO. Then why would you want to accelerate

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Speaker 2: the timeline, especially when there's an ongoing, active war in

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Speaker 2: the country right now?

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Speaker 3: What does the trip wire even look like? Like?

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Speaker 2: Where and when do you invoke Article five? Is it

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Speaker 2: the current border? Is it if the Russians gain ten

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Speaker 2: percent more territory right if you.

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Speaker 3: Cross this river? But if you don't cross that river.

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Speaker 2: It's like, this is where things get very very murky,

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Speaker 2: and all of us, all of our lives, really are

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Speaker 2: on the line.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, listen, what they would argue is, look,

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Speaker 1: Russia hasn't invaded NATO allies, and there's a reason for

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Speaker 1: that because they worry about that Article five protection and

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Speaker 1: so this would be a way to prevent future wars.

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Speaker 1: And so that's the case they would make. But I

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Speaker 1: look at it and it's like, this is a way

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Speaker 1: to guarantee that we actually go to World War three

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Speaker 1: over Ukraine if this happens again. And you know, the

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Speaker 1: Biden administration's position seems pretty reasonable. They're like, hey, we

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Speaker 1: don't even know where the borders are right now that

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Speaker 1: you like, you can't admit or even like set down

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Speaker 1: a specific timeline for admission of any country when you

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Speaker 1: don't have set borders, and when you're in the middle.

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Speaker 4: Of a full scale war.

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Speaker 1: So the fact that every other country except the US

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Speaker 1: and Germany is like, let's do it anyway, it just

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Speaker 1: kind of boggles my mind. But Sagara, I think to

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Speaker 1: your point the fact that it's you know, the burden

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Speaker 1: is overwhelmingly on the US.

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Speaker 3: Yes, we pay all the bills.

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Speaker 1: Right, So that's why they're for them. It's like a

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Speaker 1: free rider situation. They're like, yeah, bring them in, no problem,

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Speaker 1: let's do it for us. It's like, wait a second,

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Speaker 1: what are we committing ourselves to exactly? And so some

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Speaker 1: end characteristic restraint from the Biden administration. It looks like

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Speaker 1: though they're under enough pressure that they feel like they

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Speaker 1: have to take some sort of like a half measure here.

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Speaker 1: Put this next piece up on the screen from the

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Speaker 1: Financial Times, they say Western allies plan to provide long

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Speaker 1: term security assurances to Ukraine by lateral agreements to formalized

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Speaker 1: level of military and financial support for Kiev, and of

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Speaker 1: course Lensky is also pushing for that timeline for NATO members.

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Speaker 1: So Biden in the White House under a lot of

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Speaker 1: pressure here, and effectively what they are likely to do

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Speaker 1: is to reach an overarching political declaration with Ukraine. They

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Speaker 1: said that under the umbrella declaration, Ukraine would conclude bilateral

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Speaker 1: agreements formalizing that current level of support and establish it

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Speaker 1: on a more long term footing, with space to expand

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Speaker 1: if deemed necessary. But neither the framework document nor the

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Speaker 1: bilateral agreements would have the status of legal treaties, and

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Speaker 1: they would be signed outside of the NATO Alliance. So

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Speaker 1: this is like the and I don't want to say

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Speaker 1: this is just like a bone they're thrown.

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Speaker 4: This is significant in and.

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Speaker 1: Of itself that they were pressured into making some sort

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Speaker 1: of longer term security guarantee and commitment here, which I

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Speaker 1: do think makes sense, some sort of a longer term

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Speaker 1: security agreement, but I think it makes sense in the

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Speaker 1: context of a resolution to the war, not before then.

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, look, I actually I wouldn't even say. I

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Speaker 2: would say it's way more up for debate because right now,

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, we have no obligation to do anything

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Speaker 2: inside of Ukraine, anything that we are doing right now

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Speaker 2: in terms of aid and.

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Speaker 3: All of that.

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Speaker 2: In terms of formalized legal agreements, nothing, And that's why

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Speaker 2: it's very important to understand we should not get into

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Speaker 2: anything formal or legal about in the future.

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Speaker 3: I'm talking about Senate ratified.

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Speaker 2: Agreements without very very careful consideration, because it could literally

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Speaker 2: lead to a nuclear exchange in the future. And I

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Speaker 2: just think that argument that you laid out from the

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Speaker 2: opponents are so foolish.

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Speaker 3: Oh well, it hasn't happened yet. It's a sixteen month

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Speaker 3: long war. You can't say rule anything in or out.

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Speaker 2: Anything could happen in the you know, if you look

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Speaker 2: at timelines in terms of the way that long drawn

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Speaker 2: out conflicts like this go, it take years in order

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Speaker 2: to see what the full spectrum of what the actual

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Speaker 2: possibilities are.

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Speaker 3: So, first of all, can't rule that out.

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Speaker 2: Second, what they point to here is this quad agreement,

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Speaker 2: which would be a non binding agreement which would be effectively,

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Speaker 2: you know, kind of make aid to Ukraine. They would say, like, oh,

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Speaker 2: the US and you know, the US and the other

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Speaker 2: quad countries UK, Germany and France would you know, formalize

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Speaker 2: a current level of aid. But you know, for the UK,

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Speaker 2: Germany and France that's not much off their backs. They're

608
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Speaker 2: not the one who are paying ninety five percent of

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Speaker 2: the military expenses.

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Speaker 3: It's the United States.

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Speaker 2: So the current issue that we have overall is the

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Speaker 2: free riding problem from all of the nations inside of

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Speaker 2: NATO that are not the US and the UK, which

614
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Speaker 2: are the only two like genuinely great great powers with

615
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Speaker 2: military in terms of their military capabilities. France in Germany

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Speaker 2: too are powers in their own right, but they're more

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Speaker 2: like regional powers on the continent. Everyone gets mad when

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Speaker 2: I say this, but you know, Poland's like, well, we

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Speaker 2: pay two percent of our GDP. I'm like, yeah, well,

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Speaker 2: you know, your GDP is literally like less than Alabama

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Speaker 2: or something like that. It's just on absolute terms, it

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Speaker 2: really doesn't matter. Same in terms of the Baltic States.

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Speaker 2: And what drives me nuts is that those are actually

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Speaker 2: the most hawkish nations who are trying to get us

625
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Speaker 2: embroiled in the conflict. You know, if they care so much, okay,

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Speaker 2: spend one hundred percent of your GDP on that if

627
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Speaker 2: it's so existential to you. But they're not, and they

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Speaker 2: literally don't even have the capability. They weren't Washington to

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Speaker 2: go and pick up a slack for them.

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Speaker 1: Well, we should also not lose sight of the fact.

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Speaker 1: We have said a million times here and I'll say

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Speaker 1: it again, the Russian invasion is horrific, it's unconsionable, it's illegal.

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Speaker 4: We are completely opposed to Yes, the Russian.

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Speaker 1: Position with regard to NATO is eminently correct and reasonable.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there was an expectation, there was at least

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Speaker 1: an understanding that NATO would not expand towards their borders.

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Speaker 1: We did it anyway. I mean, we knew that we

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Speaker 1: have the cables. Let's say, our diplomats knew that it

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Speaker 1: was a red line to even talk about ukraine admission

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Speaker 1: into NATO and.

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Speaker 4: Georgia as well. We did it anyway.

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Speaker 1: So it's not like there isn't a point here in

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Speaker 1: terms of Russia's view of NATO. So, just to put

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Speaker 1: this in the most simplistic terms, their public position, Russia's

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Speaker 1: public position is that part of why they invaded Ukraine

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Speaker 1: is over these tensions around NATO. And so our response

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Speaker 1: to that is like, let's up the ante and make

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Speaker 1: it even more concrete, like let's thumb or nose that

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Speaker 1: you even more. I just think that is reckless and

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Speaker 1: wildly dangerous. But to show you what kind of pressure

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Speaker 1: the Biden administration is being put under here, there's a

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Speaker 1: report in the Guardian that some NATO countries are talking

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Speaker 1: about sending their own troops directly into this conflict. The

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Speaker 1: polls in particular, they said, if NATO cannot agree on

655
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Speaker 1: a clear pathward for Ukraine, there is a clear possibility

656
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Speaker 1: some countries.

657
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Speaker 4: Individually might take action.

658
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Speaker 1: He argued that the Poles would seriously consider going in

659
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Speaker 1: among others.

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Speaker 4: So that's why they've really.

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Speaker 1: Put the screws to Biden and why they feel like

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Speaker 1: they have to at least do something here at this

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Speaker 1: next NATO meeting to you know, provide some kind of

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Speaker 1: security assistance and guarantees Ukraine. Otherwise, I mean, this would be,

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Speaker 1: this would be why.

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Speaker 2: You know what my response is, go for it, sign

667
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Speaker 2: away and say that if you incur any sort of

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Speaker 2: problem as a result of that, then that's your issue.

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Speaker 3: Guess what.

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Speaker 2: They will never do it if that actually was the case,

671
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Speaker 2: because they feel confident that we are going to back

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Speaker 2: them up through our nuclear umbrella. That's again, it's like

673
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Speaker 2: you need to make strategic of you need to make

674
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Speaker 2: strategic decisions such that you are factoring in both risk

675
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Speaker 2: and reward.

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Speaker 3: They bear none of the risk. We're the ones.

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Speaker 2: Who have to back up all and backstop all of it.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, look, if you want to send your troops

679
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Speaker 2: into Ukraine, literally that's on you. Go for it. You know,

680
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Speaker 2: I wish you the best. But if things go south,

681
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Speaker 2: then that's also on you. And should you know, escalate

682
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Speaker 2: into some broader problem, you deal with it. That's not

683
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Speaker 2: going to be up to us, unfortunately, though, that's not

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Speaker 2: the way that Article five works, at least in terms

685
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Speaker 2: of the way it can be in voke. So this

686
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Speaker 2: is why we all have to spend a lot of

687
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Speaker 2: time on this, and while we dedicated, you know, literally

688
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 2: the top of this is because arguably this is ten

689
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 2: one hundred thousand times more important than whatever is going

690
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Speaker 2: on with the Ukraine counter offensive. Whatever village you know,

691
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Speaker 2: changes hand here or there, whether they get NATO membership

692
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Speaker 2: or not, which is what Lenski wants and, by the way,

693
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Speaker 2: what most NATO countries want. Apparently that will decide whether

694
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Speaker 2: we ever really do escalate into a broader war in

695
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Speaker 2: my opinion, and I have absolutely I have very little

696
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Speaker 2: doubt that we would get embroiled in some massive conflict

697
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Speaker 2: if we were to ever confer genuine NATO membership on

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Speaker 2: to me, and from everything we've seen so far, given

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Speaker 2: that Putin literally invaded the country, it actually does look

700
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Speaker 2: like an actual red line. So I guess everybody should

701
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Speaker 2: decide you want to go to a full scale war

702
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Speaker 2: for Ukraine or not.

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Speaker 3: I personally don't. I don't think it's worth it at all.

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Speaker 3: All right, let's go to the next part.

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Speaker 2: This also gets to exactly why we should have some

706
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Speaker 2: trepidation around these and let's go and put this up

707
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Speaker 2: there on police on the screen about Belarus. Belarus is

708
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Speaker 2: currently taking delivery of Russian nuclear weapons forward, deploying them

709
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Speaker 2: much closer toward Ukraine. This is according to President Lukashenko

710
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Speaker 2: himself says the country has been taking delivery of the

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Speaker 2: tactical nuclear weapons, specifically some of which he said, quote

712
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Speaker 2: were three times more powerful and the atomic bombs that

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Speaker 2: the United States dropped in Hiroshima and Nagasaki in nineteen

714
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Speaker 2: forty five. The deployment is actually Moscow's first move of

715
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Speaker 2: such warheads, tactical nuclear weapons that could potentially be used

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Speaker 2: on the battlefield outside of Russia since the fall of

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Speaker 2: the Soviet Union. So that is why you know, this

718
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,879
Speaker 2: was downplayed really in the Western press. They're like, oh,

719
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Speaker 2: it hasn't had It's like, no, this is the first time,

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Speaker 2: literally in thirty something years, they've ever moved nukes outside

721
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Speaker 2: of Russia. It's a direct response to what's going on

722
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Speaker 2: in Ukraine. They're moving them closer towards Ukraine. No, that

723
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Speaker 2: doesn't mean they're going to use them, Yes, it does

724
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Speaker 2: mean that, you know, things would change significantly but it

725
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Speaker 2: also lets us return to something that we talked a

726
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Speaker 2: lot about during the tactical nuclear weapon discussion, Crystal, there's

727
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Speaker 2: no such thing as a tactical nuclear weapon. Strategically, that

728
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Speaker 2: escalates things to a whole other realm. And as Lukashenko

729
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Speaker 2: and Ell said, even these quote tactical nukes that are yeah,

730
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Speaker 2: they won't annihilate, you know, the entire globe in a

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Speaker 2: single bomb, so three times more powerful than Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

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Speaker 3: That's that's where we're at. That's where that's what quote

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Speaker 3: unquote tactical.

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Speaker 1: Thing means so important for people to understand because you

735
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Speaker 1: hear that term throw thrown around like oh, it's just

736
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Speaker 1: a little nuke. No, It's like, no, We're talking about

737
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Speaker 1: something that is extraordinarily powerful, dangerous, and puts us on

738
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Speaker 1: a chain of escalation that nobody knows where it will

739
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Speaker 1: ultimately go. I love the way that they downplay this too.

740
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Speaker 1: I mean, even in this piece they say the US

741
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Speaker 1: has criticized Putin's decision, but SETA has no intention of

742
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Speaker 1: altering its own stance on strategic nuclear weapons. Has not

743
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Speaker 1: seen any signs that Russia is preparing to use a

744
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Speaker 1: nuclear weapon like don't you consider this a sign, Yeah,

745
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Speaker 1: that may be considering use of nuclear weapons. They gone

746
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Speaker 1: to say, the Russian stuff is nonetheless being watched closely

747
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Speaker 1: by the US and its allies, as well as by China,

748
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 1: which is repeatedly cautioned against the use of nuclear weapons

749
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Speaker 1: in the war in Ukraine.

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Speaker 4: I do think that part is significant.

751
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Speaker 1: But it also speaks to another lie that has been

752
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Speaker 1: told in the press, which is that like, oh, we

753
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Speaker 1: keep shipping you know, more advanced and longer range weapons,

754
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 1: and the Russians they don't respond, they don't escalate, so

755
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: all these fears of oh they're going to escalate are overblown.

756
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Speaker 4: What do you call this? I call this an escalation.

757
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 1: I mean I call a lot of what Russia has

758
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Speaker 1: done an escalation, you know, in returning to attacks on Kiev,

759
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Speaker 1: on drafting their own people, and up in the ante

760
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 1: in terms of this war, A lot of that I

761
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: think could very clearly be called an escalation and is

762
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Speaker 1: in part in response to the actions that we have

763
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Speaker 1: ourselves taken here as a country. So you know, this

764
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 1: is the whole ballgame right here. Ultimately, will nukes ever

765
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Speaker 1: be used in this conflict? Are we going to end

766
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: up accidentally stumbling into World War three. The danger might

767
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Speaker 1: be small, it might be, you know, one percent, it

768
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 1: might be point one percent. If there is any risk

769
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 1: of that at all, it should be the number one

770
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Speaker 1: thing that we're concerned about here and around the world.

771
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Speaker 3: Yeah, of course.

772
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Speaker 2: And also the idea that NATO says that they're not

773
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 2: worried is actually just completely wrong because what just happened

774
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 2: put this up there on the screen, literally the very

775
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 2: same time that their Russians are moving nukes into Bellarros,

776
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 2: NATO just held its largest air force drill ever in

777
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 2: history to demonstrate alliance capabilities and quote solidarity against Russia.

778
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:25,240
Speaker 2: The wargames officially launched and are called the twenty twenty

779
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 2: three Air Defender Military Exercise, also included Finland as well

780
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Speaker 2: as many other countries. Includes twelve days, two hundred and

781
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 2: fifty aircraft, ten thousand personnel, the largest deployment in the

782
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 2: history of all of NATO. All that was happening such

783
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:45,760
Speaker 2: to make a very strong message towards them, And actually

784
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 2: the funniest part to me, Crystal, is that if you

785
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 2: look at the actual quotes of what they are saying,

786
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 2: is the trigger for me was the capture in the

787
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 2: annexation of Russia, and that since Russia's full scaled invasion

788
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Speaker 2: of Ukraine last year, NATO member's Eastern flank want the

789
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Speaker 2: assurance that they will defended should the Kremlin turn its

790
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 2: sights on them. That was the German general who was

791
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Speaker 2: in charge of the exercise himself and said, while he

792
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 2: painted it quotely as purely defensive in nature, behind the

793
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 2: scenes say that they hope it will show President Putin

794
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 2: for that the Alliance is not backing down in support

795
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 2: for Ukraine as Kiev begins it's counter offensive. So clearly

796
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Speaker 2: this is in response to Russian not only the invasion

797
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 2: of Ukraine, but also the deployment of these nuclear weapons

798
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 2: and the increased fear that this could escalate into something.

799
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Speaker 2: If they didn't have fear, then they wouldn't have the drill.

800
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Speaker 2: The drill is quite literally being held as a response

801
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 2: to what's going on right there. So once again you

802
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 2: cannot say with a straight face that you are not

803
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 2: worried about this escalating to anything. That's why we sent

804
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,280
Speaker 2: thousands of troops to NATO's Eastern flank in the first place.

805
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 2: After this response, why we literally inducted two or tried

806
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 2: to induct two new members, successfully inducted one into the Alliance,

807
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 2: and then now having this ongoing you know air drill

808
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 2: that's happening, and also literally at the same time you

809
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 2: and I are talking, all NATO defense ministers are gathered

810
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 2: right now in Brussels, hammering out more agreements, running over

811
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 2: more types of exercises and things they can do. So

812
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 2: it's not like strategically that things aren't moving and they

813
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 2: aren't changing.

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00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the whole point of this is just

815
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 1: to underscore for people. You know, we can feel it

816
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 1: can feel a little bit like the frog and the

817
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: boiling water. You just keep hearing this news over and

818
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 1: over again, and increase escalation and the next step on

819
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 1: the ladder, and now we're sending US sixteens and now

820
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 1: you know, the largest war games in NATO history, and

821
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 1: now we're talking about a timeline for Ukraine to enter NATO,

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Speaker 1: and now Russia is moving nukes and de Belarus. It

823
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 1: can feel exhausting, It can be hard to hold on

824
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 1: to that sense of alarm at where all of this

825
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 1: is heading. But I think it's just really important for

826
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 1: people to keep in the front of their minds what

827
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 1: a dangerous volatile and unpredictable situation we continue to be

828
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,240
Speaker 1: in so long as this war continues.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's well said.

830
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Speaker 1: Okay, guys, let's get to some domestic politics here. So

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Speaker 1: I wanted to start with what's a really interesting poll

832
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Speaker 1: about how Americans feel about a potential third party effort.

833
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Speaker 1: Put this up on the screen. Now, keep in mind

834
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Speaker 1: that these numbers are not based on any specific third

835
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Speaker 1: party candidate. They give people the option of Biden, Trump

836
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,359
Speaker 1: or third party, and Biden DeSantis or third party, So

837
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Speaker 1: it can be like this is basically like the third

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Speaker 1: party candidate of your dreams. Is the way that voters

839
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Speaker 1: would interpret this. And this is from Suffolk University, USA today,

840
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Speaker 1: you know, well respected pollsters.

841
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Speaker 4: To the extent that such a thing exists anymore.

842
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Speaker 1: Biden they have at thirty four over Trump at thirty two,

843
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 1: third party taking twenty three percent of the vote. And interestingly,

844
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Speaker 1: actually the margin is wider for Biden if he's against

845
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Speaker 1: DeSantis thirty three over DeSantis's twenty six with a third

846
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Speaker 1: party at twenty five percent.

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Speaker 4: So you basically have in this.

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Speaker 1: Poll a reflection of the fact that people are really

849
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Speaker 1: not excited about any of these choices to be perfectly

850
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Speaker 1: honest with you, And even though you have a lot

851
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Speaker 1: of hard partisan loyalists in this country, you also have

852
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 1: a lot of people who would theoretically be open to

853
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 1: a third party candidate. Now, of course, there are a

854
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,280
Speaker 1: lot of barriers in the US to third party candidates

855
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 1: running to them having success. It's not easy to obtain

856
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 1: ballot access. There are only a few organizations that do.

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00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 1: But as I said, I think this really reflects how

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00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:23,720
Speaker 1: you have higher interest in this election in third party

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00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: efforts than I believe you did last time around. I

860
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Speaker 1: think the levels are more consistent with the third party

861
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 1: interest we saw in twenty sixteen when people were really

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Speaker 1: not excited about Trump, and there are a lot of

863
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 1: people really not excited about Hillary Clinton. And so you

864
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 1: had Gary Johnson, you had Jill Stein in those elections. Now,

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Speaker 1: liberals will tell you Jill Stein was a spoiler and

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Speaker 1: she got enough et cetera to throw the election. I

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Speaker 1: would personally say that Democrats should have done about a

868
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Speaker 1: job appealing to voters if.

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Speaker 4: They wanted to win that election.

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Speaker 1: But there is no doubt that there is a heightened

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Speaker 1: interest in a third party effort this time around. And

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Speaker 1: so you see some burcheoning third party efforts. We've already

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Speaker 1: covered here. How doctor Cornell West, who is on the left.

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Speaker 1: He's really well respected, well known political thinker and academic.

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Speaker 1: He initially announced that he was going to be running

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Speaker 1: as a People's Party candidate, which people, including myself, found

877
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Speaker 1: quite perplexing because they don't have ballot excess in most states,

878
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Speaker 1: they don't have any track record of fielding a candidate

879
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Speaker 1: or having success fielding a candidate, and so if you're

880
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Speaker 1: running just as People's Party candidate, you're basically a glorified

881
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Speaker 1: ride in which the limits of the efficacy of that

882
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Speaker 1: is going to be quite limited. Well, he just announced

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Speaker 1: that he is going to be actually pursuing the nomination

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Speaker 1: of the Green Party. Put us up on the screen.

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Speaker 1: I think Ryan and Emily covered this yesterday as well,

886
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Speaker 1: but I thought it was important for us to.

887
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Speaker 4: Chime in on this too.

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Speaker 1: Cornell West says, in the spirit of a broad united

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Speaker 1: front and coalition strategy, I'm pursuing the nomination of the

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Speaker 1: Green Party for President of the United States. Go to

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Speaker 1: Cornell West twenty four dot com for more information To

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Speaker 1: continue to support this unprecedented effort to empower precious poor

893
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Speaker 1: and working people here and abroad. I think the volunteers

894
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Speaker 1: of the People's Party for the initial launch and Sagar,

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Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, I think this is a like

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Speaker 1: I think the Biden administration should be pretty concerned about

897
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Speaker 1: this because Cornell West, doctor West, is a powerful person.

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Speaker 4: He's a powerful order.

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Speaker 1: He has a voice of moral conscience and moral clarity

900
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Speaker 1: that is incredibly compelling to people, even people who disagree

901
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Speaker 1: with him on some of the issues. He's very effective

902
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Speaker 1: at talking to people who don't agree with him exactly

903
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Speaker 1: on the show. I mean, used to go on Fox Now,

904
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Speaker 1: on his people, Fox News all the time. He's known for,

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Speaker 1: you know, being willing to reach out to anyone who's

906
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Speaker 1: willing to have any sort of legitimate or honest conversation,

907
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Speaker 1: and even some people who aren't willing to have really

908
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Speaker 1: a good faith conversation. He's a very compelling figure at

909
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: a time when people are desperate for any sort of

910
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 1: alternative to what is a really depressing choice between Biden

911
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 1: and Trump. So I think this is quite significant that

912
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Speaker 1: he's decided to pursue a Green Party effort because they

913
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Speaker 1: do have ballot access in almost all of the states,

914
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Speaker 1: so there's a much more serious organization that I'll be.

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Speaker 2: Behind him exactly. So, now that he has ballot access

916
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Speaker 2: at least in all fifty states, it will mean that, Look,

917
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Speaker 2: he's got much higher name id, arguably than even Jill

918
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Speaker 2: Stein did at that time. He's got a significant period

919
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Speaker 2: in order to force the issue, force media coverage. All

920
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Speaker 2: he really has to do is, you know, at least

921
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Speaker 2: not even placed necessarily, but you know, gets some media attention,

922
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Speaker 2: have some real events, and that's it, like game on,

923
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Speaker 2: especially if you start showing up in the polls. I mean, overall,

924
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Speaker 2: the Biden administration should be terrified. I was just reading

925
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Speaker 2: this morning. Politically, yeah, RFK Junior is very likely going

926
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Speaker 2: to win the first two states in the Democratic primary Iowa,

927
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Speaker 2: New Hampshire, Iowa and New Hampshire because they are likely

928
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Speaker 2: to go forward and not treat South Carolina as the

929
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Speaker 2: first even though the DNC changed the rules. But Biden

930
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Speaker 2: is likely not even to be able to contest in

931
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Speaker 2: those states. Now, the media and everybody else will do

932
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Speaker 2: their best to just downplay that and say didn't happen.

933
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Speaker 2: A win is a way, okay, when you win something,

934
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Speaker 2: you have to cover that. So you have two Kennedy

935
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Speaker 2: wins in those first two states, going into South Carolina. Okay,

936
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Speaker 2: Biden probably will do well in South Carolina. But guess what, Yeah, then, Chrystal,

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Speaker 2: what are we We're right around the corner from Super Tuesday.

938
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Speaker 2: And when you have got all that media attention, then

939
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Speaker 2: you could have high third party initiative. You could have

940
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Speaker 2: Kennedy literally winning the first two states. Yeah, and all

941
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Speaker 2: of a sudden, you're in a way weaker political position

942
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Speaker 2: than probably any modern president since Jimmy Carter ran in

943
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Speaker 2: nineteen nineteen eighty.

944
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Speaker 1: And remember the drum beat from the media. Biden's opponents

945
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Speaker 1: aren't serious, They're not qualified. I mean, they have done

946
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Speaker 1: everything they can to just pretend like it's not happening.

947
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Speaker 1: And that's necessary because otherwise, you know, the fact that

948
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Speaker 1: the DNC is saying we're absolutely not going to have

949
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Speaker 1: any debates or any real like small de democratic process

950
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Speaker 1: becomes completely unconscionable. You know, overwhelmingly voters, including voters in

951
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Speaker 1: the Democratic Party, think there.

952
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,320
Speaker 4: Should be debates. There should be a real.

953
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Speaker 1: Process here by which voters can evaluate Joe Biden and

954
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Speaker 1: RFK Junior and Mary and Williamson and anyone else who

955
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Speaker 1: gets into the Democratic primary race. So yeah, the fact

956
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Speaker 1: that you have the two early states, I mean, as

957
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Speaker 1: much as they will want to ignore and just pretend

958
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Speaker 1: like that didn't happen either, and there will be some chunk.

959
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Speaker 4: Of the electorate that's like, yeah, you're right, that doesn't

960
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Speaker 4: really count.

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Speaker 1: You can't just completely dismiss out of hand if the

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Speaker 1: guy who's in the White House loses the first two

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Speaker 1: early states. And so to get back to doctor West

964
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Speaker 1: and his role here. You know the reason I say that,

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Speaker 1: I think it's a problem for Biden. These things can

966
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Speaker 1: be complex about which party a third party.

967
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Speaker 4: Candidate actually takes away from.

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Speaker 1: But doctor West is clearly on the left, and Biden

969
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Speaker 1: has a real weakness on his left at this point because,

970
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Speaker 1: especially posts ron Klaan leaving as a chief of staff,

971
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Speaker 1: their whole strategy has been to pivot towards the right.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they crush the railway, where as one example,

974
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Speaker 1: they structure the terrible situation with the debt ceiling and

975
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Speaker 1: the deal that they end up striking with the Republicans.

976
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Speaker 1: They've just done issue after issue, chosen to pivot to

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Speaker 1: the right because I assume electorally they think, oh, this is.

978
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Speaker 4: What we've got to do in order to appeal.

979
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Speaker 1: To the quote unquote center for a general election. But

980
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Speaker 1: now you've got an issue where you've pissed off environmentalists,

981
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: You've pissed off a lot of your progressive base on

982
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:31,399
Speaker 1: the left. They're actively looking for other alternatives. And now

983
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Speaker 1: you not only have some strong contenders in the Democratic primary,

984
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Speaker 1: you've got a really powerful force.

985
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Speaker 4: Coming at you in the general election as well.

986
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Speaker 1: So listen, do I think a third party effort could succeed?

987
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Speaker 1: And actually, you know, doctor West become President of the

988
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Speaker 1: United States, No, because not because of any fault of

989
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 1: his own, but because of structural barriers that exist in

990
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 1: American politics. Could it really reshape the quality and tenor

991
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 1: and direction of this election. There's no doubt about it,

992
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: especially with him pivoting to a Green Party run, and

993
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:06,359
Speaker 1: with the fact that the Biden administration still even with

994
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 1: they think they've crushed the left.

995
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:09,800
Speaker 4: They think that the left will show.

996
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:11,799
Speaker 1: Up, that they'll vote blue no matter who, because the

997
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: alternative is so bad. I mean they this genuinely, I

998
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 1: think is how they see it, that they don't have

999
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 1: to do anything to win over the young voters who

1000
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 1: are disgusted with Joe Biden, who are on the left

1001
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 1: who are disgusted with Joe Biden.

1002
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 4: They think they don't have to do anything.

1003
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Speaker 1: And you know, we saw them make that calculation in

1004
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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, and we saw how it worked out for them.

1005
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 1: So there is a third party effort that they are

1006
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 1: concerned about, though, even though they haven't paid any mind

1007
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 1: apparently to doctor West or to any of Biden's primary competitors.

1008
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Speaker 1: So put this up on the screen. There's been this

1009
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Speaker 1: nascent effort from No Labels, which is this like grotesque

1010
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Speaker 1: corporate Wall Street monstrosity of an organization with really no

1011
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 1: popular support, but they have lots of money, so they

1012
00:48:56,040 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 1: hang around anyway, and they have been so sort of

1013
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 1: shopping around this idea, well, maybe will run a candidate,

1014
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: and you know, Jamie Diamonds gets floated here, the CEO

1015
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 1: of Chase JP Morgan, Chase Joe Mansion gets floated here.

1016
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Speaker 4: It's like for the people.

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Speaker 1: Who think that Joe Biden and Donald Trump aren't pro

1018
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:18,399
Speaker 1: Wall Street enough, this is like the candidate for them,

1019
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:20,800
Speaker 1: which again I don't know, that's like, you know, people

1020
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 1: who work on Wall Street and no one else, but

1021
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 1: you have a kind of a panic from the White

1022
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 1: House about the possibility of a no Labels candidate running

1023
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:32,280
Speaker 1: and splitting the quote unquote anti Trump coalition. The headline

1024
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Speaker 1: here from the Washington Post Michael Sheer Democrats meet with

1025
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Speaker 1: anti Trump conservatives to fight no Labels twenty twenty four.

1026
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Speaker 1: Bid Biden allies seek to undermine an effort they see

1027
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Speaker 1: as a threat to the President's reelection. You had a

1028
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 1: lot of high level Sager figures who were at this meeting,

1029
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 1: former White House Chief of Staff Ron Klain, DNC senior

1030
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Speaker 1: advisor Cedric Richmond, Stephanie Cutter, former campaign advisor of Barack Obama.

1031
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Speaker 1: They were joined by former Senators Doug Jones, a, Heidi

1032
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Speaker 1: Hike Camp, Claire mccaskell, along with representatives of the Anti

1033
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Speaker 1: Trump Lincoln Project, former Weekly Standard publisher Bill Crystal, and

1034
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Speaker 1: Lucy Caldwell for a Republican consultant who now advises the

1035
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Speaker 1: Independent Forward Party, according to people present at the event,

1036
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Speaker 1: who's book on the condition of anonymity. You also had

1037
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Speaker 1: their Dimitri Melhorne, who is a big donor advisor for

1038
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Speaker 1: Reed Hoffman and has really been very Gentral Ryan did

1039
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Speaker 1: a fantastic and very revealing interview with him that I

1040
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Speaker 1: encourage people to check out over.

1041
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Speaker 4: On Ryan's podcast.

1042
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Speaker 1: But their whole theory is that the way to win

1043
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Speaker 1: is not to deliver materially for the American people and

1044
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Speaker 1: do a good job as president so that you have

1045
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 1: a high approval rating and people actually want to re

1046
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: elect you. Their whole idea is, we're going to make

1047
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:45,360
Speaker 1: it so all of the people who hate Donald Trump

1048
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 1: are united behind the same candidate. We don't really have

1049
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:50,319
Speaker 1: to do anything other than not be Donald Trump, and

1050
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Speaker 1: that is our path to victory. Let's be honest. It

1051
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 1: worked in twenty twenty. Let's be honest, it basically worked

1052
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 1: again in midterms. But the margins are extremely thin and

1053
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Speaker 1: extreme narrow. So even though this no labels effort is

1054
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Speaker 1: not going to have a whole lot of popular support,

1055
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Speaker 1: if they draw even a tiny bit of support and

1056
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Speaker 1: split this theoretical quote unquote anti Trump coalition, the White

1057
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:16,360
Speaker 1: House is very concerned about what it would all actually

1058
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Speaker 1: do to Biden's reelection chance.

1059
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Speaker 2: I feel like everybody is forgetting Biden only won the

1060
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Speaker 2: presidency by some one hundred and fifty thousand votes across

1061
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Speaker 2: three or across five states, and actually thirty thousand against

1062
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Speaker 2: three states. Yeah, I mean it literally arraigns a little

1063
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Speaker 2: bit in Georgia and things go very much differently. Yeah,

1064
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Speaker 2: if you know, I don't know if it rains in

1065
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Speaker 2: Maricopa County, but let's say it did in Arizona.

1066
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Speaker 3: Well, you know, once again we're talking about like ten

1067
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Speaker 3: thousand votes.

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Speaker 2: Or something like that. I mean, that's total madness. Whenever

1069
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Speaker 2: you have that low of a sliver. Sure things worked

1070
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Speaker 2: out in the midterms, who knows what things are going

1071
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Speaker 2: to look like in twenty twenty four come that election.

1072
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Speaker 2: No labels then the reason why they have to take

1073
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Speaker 2: it so seriously is because they're not strong's that's the issue.

1074
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Speaker 2: And my suspicion is is that should Cornell West campaign

1075
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Speaker 2: get some traction, then they are going to be pulling

1076
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Speaker 2: the knives of everything you've ever seen in order to

1077
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:07,839
Speaker 2: get him off of the ballot in every single one

1078
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Speaker 2: of these states, suing them. That's why they're doing right now.

1079
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Speaker 2: The Arizona Democratic Party already sued to take no labels off.

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Speaker 3: That's why they're freaking out.

1081
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Speaker 2: Yes, inside of the White House, they cannot take any

1082
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Speaker 2: third party, real contender whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: Yes, they don't.

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Speaker 4: Actually believe in democracy. I mean, that's like really clear.

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Speaker 1: They don't actually believe in democracy, because if you did.

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Speaker 1: They're a very simple answer to this. It doesn't involve

1087
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:32,799
Speaker 1: like suing them or you know. With regard to the

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00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 1: corporate efforts, their play all nicey nights, they have them

1089
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 1: the White House, let's talk, let's work it out, let's negotiate.

1090
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 1: With regard to the left wing efforts, it will be

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00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 1: like smear them as fascist enablers and Pudent's puppets and whatever.

1092
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 1: They'll be just like disgusting attacks against them. There's another strategy, though,

1093
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 1: which is to like actually do a good job as

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00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:56,240
Speaker 1: president and then people will want to re elect you.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's not that complicated. That's how it could work.

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Speaker 1: In a democracy. You have a lot of power to

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00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:03,240
Speaker 1: do things that would be good for the American people.

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00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 1: You've already missed a lot of chances at that, but

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00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 1: it's not too late. He still got a shot to

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Speaker 1: actually win people over and not have to go the

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00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 1: path that ron Klan laid out, which is I've brought

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00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 1: those up a million times, but this is their strategy.

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00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:19,839
Speaker 1: When Emmanuel Macrome won in France and he had like

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00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:22,919
Speaker 1: a thirty percent approval rating, and Ron Klain, former chief

1105
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 1: of Staff, tweets sound like, oh interesting.

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00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:25,720
Speaker 4: He was able to win.

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00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:28,839
Speaker 1: Because people are so disgusted by the alternative. That's their

1108
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 1: only play, and so anything that disrupts that whatsoever, they

1109
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 1: hit the panic button over because they have no They

1110
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 1: will do anything to win except actually deliver for the

1111
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 1: American people so that they want to re elect them

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00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 1: affirmatively rather than just as an alternative to like a

1113
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 1: horrific choice.

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00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:47,959
Speaker 2: In Donald Trump. That's too difficult, Christians act true any work.

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00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:52,839
Speaker 2: All right, let's get to the next topic. UFOs had

1116
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 2: to shove this one in there just because there's just

1117
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 2: it's too good and there's so many developments.

1118
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 3: So let's back up a little bit.

1119
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 2: As I outlined actually to RFK Junior when he was like,

1120
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 2: are you aware of this whistleblower or it was like, brother.

1121
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:08,720
Speaker 3: Yes, we're Dave Grush.

1122
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 2: The whistleblower has come forward from the intelligence community alleging

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00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:16,359
Speaker 2: that there are multiple alien spacecraft inside the US government possession. Okay,

1124
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 2: so that interview has already come forward. There's been an

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00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:21,320
Speaker 2: over an hour long that's been released. I encourage everybody

1126
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 2: to go and watch it. That's on News Nation, It's

1127
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 2: on their YouTube channel as well. Many of the allegations

1128
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 2: in there are absolutely stunning. So the next question is

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00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 2: how are Congress going to handle it. Part of what

1130
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 2: Dave Grush is saying is you guys were lied to,

1131
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 2: is that the Pentagon is quite literally lying to you

1132
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:39,880
Speaker 2: about all of these existence of the programs about the

1133
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 2: developments inside of the building. Well, actually they've gone ahead

1134
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 2: and actually been asked about it. So let's put this

1135
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:48,319
Speaker 2: up there with some really revealing quotes. These are all

1136
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 2: compiled by Matt lasla over at Wired, who asked some

1137
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 2: of these senators. Senator Warner quote, there's been a lot incoming. Frankly,

1138
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 2: I just need to find out more information on this.

1139
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 2: But here was the really interesting quote from Senator Holly quote,

1140
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 2: I'm not surprised by these latest allegations because it sounds

1141
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 2: pretty close to what they kind of a grudgingly admitted

1142
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:11,800
Speaker 2: to us in the briefing. It's not good. None of

1143
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:13,839
Speaker 2: it's good. We want to get to the bottom of this.

1144
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 2: I think it's disturbing. Senator Jillibrand, also, who has been

1145
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 2: a real leader on the topic, says quote I have

1146
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 2: no idea. I'm going to do the work and analyze

1147
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:23,799
Speaker 2: it and figure it out. We need to look at

1148
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:26,799
Speaker 2: whether there are rogue special access programs that no one

1149
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 2: is providing oversight for. The goal for me will be

1150
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 2: having a hearing on that at some point so that

1151
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 2: we can assess if these special access programs actually exist.

1152
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:38,760
Speaker 2: So are if there are special access programs out there

1153
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 2: that are somehow outside of the normal chain of command

1154
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 2: and outside the normal appropriations process, they have to divulge

1155
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 2: that to Congress.

1156
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: The reason why that is so important is that one

1158
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 2: of the allegations here that's come forward Crystal is that

1159
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 2: there is actually basically rogue spending and budgeting going on

1160
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:58,719
Speaker 2: outside of the normal system in order to cover up

1161
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 2: what Jillibrand is a legend. There which are unique special

1162
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 2: access programs that the American people have never been notified about,

1163
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 2: nor do they have any overside of including of Congress.

1164
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 2: This kind of gets to maybe why the Pentagon Path

1165
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:13,840
Speaker 2: can't pass any audits. I'm not saying that this isn't

1166
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:16,400
Speaker 2: just it's just UFOs like that's the entirety of it.

1167
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 2: I'm saying things are designed in such a way such

1168
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 2: that assessing and auditing and you know, taking it an

1169
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 2: an actual note of where the money is going. It's

1170
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 2: probably to the benefit of several black programs that are

1171
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 2: out there. And what really Dave Grush is alleging is

1172
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:32,399
Speaker 2: that this thing is going on for decades, which would

1173
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 2: fit with a pattern of cover up of inside of

1174
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Speaker 2: the Pentagon. So that's number one that I wanted to

1175
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:40,839
Speaker 2: bring everybody. Number two is an equally fascinating piece from

1176
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 2: Vanity Fair. Let's go and put this up there on

1177
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 2: the screen and it gives a little bit of the background.

1178
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:47,880
Speaker 2: Why did the New York Times, the Washington Post and

1179
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 2: Politico not publish the report that was brought forward outlining

1180
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 2: Dave Grush's allegations. So as they lay out, you know,

1181
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 2: Ralph Blumenthal spent forty five years on staff at the

1182
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 2: New York Times. Leslie Keene literally wrote with Ralph Bloomenthal

1183
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 2: the twenty seventeen story on UFOs that debuted the New

1184
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:10,240
Speaker 2: York Times. Why did they turn it down? Well, according

1185
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 2: to Charlotte Clin, she's a media reporter over there who

1186
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:15,840
Speaker 2: spoke with some people behind the scenes. The Times straight

1187
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:17,959
Speaker 2: up decided not to publish this piece.

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00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 3: Crystal. They just decided, Nope, we're not touching this. They

1189
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Speaker 3: tried to.

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Speaker 2: Report it but weren't able to get to the bottom.

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00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 2: The second thing is the Washington Post is denying. They're like,

1192
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 2: we didn't turn it down. They're like, what it is

1193
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 2: is that we were reporting it out, as in they

1194
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 2: had accepted the piece or not accepted it, but they'd

1195
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:35,520
Speaker 2: looked at it and they were like, well, we want

1196
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 2: to hammer this out, we want to ask some more

1197
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 2: senators and stuff about it. Well, what Leslie Clean and

1198
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 2: Ralph Blumenthal are saying is that the reason why it

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Speaker 2: ended up here in the debrief is that politico of

1200
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 2: the Washington and the Washington Post did not want to

1201
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 2: allow enough time or wanted to allow way more time

1202
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 2: to add more context and facts. The issue is that

1203
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 2: Grush's identity apparently was beginning to leak out in the

1204
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 2: UFO community and he was getting content acted by some

1205
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 2: interesting people who are out there, and so Leslie Keen

1206
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 2: and Rob Blumenthal said it was of the utmost importance

1207
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 2: to get this out as soon as humanly possible because

1208
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 2: his identity would otherwise leak, they would lose.

1209
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 3: You know, the scope of the story and the control

1210
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 3: on the story.

1211
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's ultimately why it ended up over there at

1212
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 2: the debrief, but it is clear the Times just just

1213
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 2: straight up turned it down, which you know, look, this

1214
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 2: could be the scoop of the century, you know, if

1215
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 2: it all ends up being true and for some reason,

1216
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 2: there's clearly a lot of squeamishness that's going on. You know,

1217
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 2: I'm in contact with people in the UFO community, researchers

1218
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 2: and others. I know that sounds funny, but these are

1219
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 2: very serious people, Okay. And what they've told me to

1220
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 2: Crystal is behind the scenes, a lot of media outlets,

1221
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 2: individual reporters, they're interested, but from the top down, they're like, no,

1222
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 2: you can't cover this. You can't have any real scrutiny

1223
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 2: of this at all, which you know, to me, I'm

1224
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 2: reading this quote from Holly, from Jillibrand and all this,

1225
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 2: I mean, it seems pretty real. It seems very real

1226
00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 2: that they're taking not I mean, show me one of

1227
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 2: them that says this guy sounds like a crank.

1228
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 3: Every single one.

1229
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:03,080
Speaker 2: Said, hey, we got to take this real seriously. I mean,

1230
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 2: they know they know cranks from non cranks.

1231
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:13,320
Speaker 1: Whenever they have a lot of interaction with cranks their colleagues. Fact,

1232
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 1: my guess is that there's just there's such a so

1233
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 1: much like decorum and like appearance humping over at the

1234
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 1: New York Times, that they're just like afraid of looking ridiculous,

1235
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 1: you know. And so even though they could have reported

1236
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 1: it out, even though I mean, these are serious, credible reporters, yes,

1237
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 1: with a track record, who ended up reporting out this piece.

1238
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 1: So this isn't just like some you know, crank weirdo

1239
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 1: who's obsessed with UFOs Like these are you know, real

1240
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:46,440
Speaker 1: legitimate journalists that The New York Times has experience working

1241
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:49,200
Speaker 1: with too, by the way, And so that would be

1242
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 1: my guess is they just like they're afraid of looking ridiculous.

1243
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 1: They're saying, afraid of stepping outside of the bounds of

1244
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:57,920
Speaker 1: what you're supposed to think and what you're supposed to.

1245
00:59:57,880 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 4: Say, so they just take a path.

1246
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 1: We they didn't even come up with an excuse the

1247
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 1: posting and political We're like, yeah, we totally would have

1248
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:06,200
Speaker 1: done it, but it just didn't have the time.

1249
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:09,040
Speaker 2: Here's another reason why it's so important, you know, Look,

1250
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 2: you cannot dismiss some things that are just straight up facts. Friend,

1251
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 2: Jeremy Corbel and George Knapp. They released actually one of

1252
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 2: the forms of the disclosure of urgent concerns and the

1253
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:24,440
Speaker 2: complaint of reprisal actually from Dave Grush, which is signed

1254
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:28,720
Speaker 2: by him, completely unclassified and also signed by his lawyer.

1255
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:30,680
Speaker 2: Let's go ahe and put this police guys up on

1256
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:33,560
Speaker 2: the screen. This is a screenshot from what Jeremy Corbel

1257
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:36,920
Speaker 2: released over on the Weaponized podcast. And as you can

1258
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:40,880
Speaker 2: see here, I mean read the allegations that Dave Grush

1259
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:44,440
Speaker 2: says here. Mister Grush previously served as a fully cleared

1260
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 2: member of the United States Government UAP Task Force. He

1261
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 2: has direct knowledge that certain ICY elements have purposefully and

1262
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 2: intentionally withheld and concealed UAP related classified information from the

1263
01:00:57,640 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 2: US Congress. He has direct knowledge that this information has

1264
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 2: been withheld and concealed by the involved IC elements two

1265
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:09,440
Speaker 2: purposefully and intentionally thwart legitimate Congressional oversight of the UAP program.

1266
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:13,480
Speaker 2: UAP is another way of saying UFO. And he said

1267
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:17,959
Speaker 2: specifically that in July twenty twenty one, he constantly confidentially

1268
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 2: provided UAP related classified information to the Department of Defense

1269
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:24,800
Speaker 2: Inspector General. This is literally almost over a two year

1270
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:28,040
Speaker 2: process that has been playing out behind the scenes, and

1271
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:31,640
Speaker 2: we have here his genuine signature by his lawyers that

1272
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 2: he's testifying before this, and that has been brought forward

1273
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:38,520
Speaker 2: as part of a whistleblower complaint given to the Inspector General,

1274
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 2: which was then received and said that they were urgent

1275
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 2: and they needed to be looked into. I mean, I

1276
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:45,640
Speaker 2: don't know what else we can really lay out for people.

1277
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:49,120
Speaker 2: And yet behind the scenes, also what we have seen

1278
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:51,840
Speaker 2: is the Pentagon is continuing basically to call him a

1279
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:54,320
Speaker 2: straight up liar. The Pentagon and the UAP tasks for

1280
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:56,439
Speaker 2: Susan go who is one of the spokespeople over there.

1281
01:01:56,600 --> 01:01:58,120
Speaker 2: She came out and she was just like, yeah, this

1282
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 2: is totally untrue. There's no existence of any of these.

1283
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:02,760
Speaker 2: United States Air Force came out with a statement just

1284
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:05,120
Speaker 2: being like, yeah, look, ever since Project Blue Book and

1285
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:06,720
Speaker 2: all of that closed the door, there's no reason that

1286
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:08,720
Speaker 2: we should even be looking into this. I mean, the

1287
01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:12,240
Speaker 2: cover up is happening in plain sight. The only hope

1288
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 2: we have are these congressional representatives and whether they're actually

1289
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:17,480
Speaker 2: going to get to the bottom of it. But I mean, really,

1290
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:20,360
Speaker 2: what we're looking at here is a vast conspiracy of

1291
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:22,800
Speaker 2: people who have been covering this up now for decades,

1292
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:27,440
Speaker 2: special access programs or grushes, straight up psychotic. All these

1293
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:30,200
Speaker 2: other people that have come forward to Michael Schellenberger and

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Speaker 2: all of that. Look, yeah, maybe they're just stone cold crazy.

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Speaker 2: It's very possible. It's certainly possible. But watch the interview.

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Speaker 2: Maybe maybe Look, I've seen hucksters out there before, but

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Speaker 2: this many people, this level of seriousness, the testimony to

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Speaker 2: his character and all of that, the fact that he

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Speaker 2: was vetted by Jeremy Corbel, by Leslie Keen, by Ralph Blueman.

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Speaker 2: These are all people who've been met a lot of

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Speaker 2: crazy people out there, you know before, and they don't

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Speaker 2: just bring these things forward without any recourse.

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Speaker 3: I believe him. I believe him whenever he talks.

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Speaker 1: So what do you say to Like in Vanity Fair,

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Speaker 1: they were like, Okay, you have a track record of

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Speaker 1: a credible person. You have other people who are corroborating

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Speaker 1: your claims. But where's the evidence, you know, where's the like,

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Speaker 1: where's the photo, where's the material, where's the something? Because

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Speaker 1: I do think it's reasonable for people to say, like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: this is an unbelievable, Like it's a literally unbelievable claim.

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Speaker 1: And so in order for us to take this seriously,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna have to give us a little something more

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Speaker 1: than just some chitty chat.

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Speaker 2: Well, guess what, it's classified. I don't think everybody keeps

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Speaker 2: forgetting that. He has to come forward through the official

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Speaker 2: whistleblower process. He can't just leak classified information. They're gonna

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Speaker 2: lock him up. They're gonna throw him in jail.

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Speaker 3: So he can't.

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Speaker 2: First of all, he even said, I never saw anything.

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Speaker 2: I just saw the existence of the program. That's not

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Speaker 2: what he's alleging. What he's alleging is I know these

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Speaker 2: programs exist. I'm not saying I saw it. He's never

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Speaker 2: claimed to be some sort of eyewitness. He said, I've

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Speaker 2: seen people would testify the forward. Okay, so we need

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Speaker 2: those names and we need to get them under oath

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Speaker 2: and bring them before Congress. But what he has claimed first,

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Speaker 2: that's I'm glad that you brought that up. He has

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Speaker 2: to deal with the US government and their classification regime.

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Speaker 2: If he leaks something like that, it's the easiest pretext

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Speaker 2: in the world to throw him in jail literally for

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Speaker 2: the rest of his life. Look at Edward Snowden or

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Speaker 2: Julian Assange about what's happening to them.

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Speaker 3: Would you have confidence about bringing that forward? No, yeah,

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Speaker 3: you absolutely can't.

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Speaker 1: Sol So they could even go after him just for

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Speaker 1: what he's already revealed.

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Speaker 2: I mean, from what I've understood, you know, it's not

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Speaker 2: like they're making his life all that easy right now.

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Speaker 3: So look, let's just keep all of this in.

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Speaker 2: Mind, you know, as we move forward, and as we

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Speaker 2: continue to ask our congressional representatives to actually take up

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Speaker 2: the mantle and you know, maybe try and get to.

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Speaker 3: The bottom of this.

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Speaker 4: All right, Tager, what are you looking at?

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Speaker 3: Well, if you were.

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Speaker 2: To go back to the original days of the World

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Speaker 2: Wide Web and the promise of the Internet and tell

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Speaker 2: everyone what the world would look like today, they.

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Speaker 3: Would be stunned. They would be dismayed.

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Speaker 2: The Web, in its original conception, was to be a

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Speaker 2: free marketplace of ideas and a tool for destroying established

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Speaker 2: institutions to circumvent the center of power. At first, that

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01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:04,080
Speaker 2: was kind of true, but over time we saw that

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Speaker 2: established institutions either co opted the Web or worse that.

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Speaker 3: The new institutions of the Web.

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Speaker 2: From the early days became their own centers of power.

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Speaker 2: The Googles, the facebooks, the Microsofts, the Apples, the Amazons.

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Speaker 2: They replaced the original major institutions. They became behemits in

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Speaker 2: their own right, touching the lives of almost every American citizen,

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Speaker 2: and often the lives of almost every citizen of every

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Speaker 2: developed country on the globe.

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Speaker 3: This isn't just a touch either.

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Speaker 2: We're talking about our ability to communicate, to enter our homes,

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Speaker 2: to remit payment, to use transportation.

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Speaker 3: All of this it these days, relies.

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Speaker 2: In some ways on these companies, and so these companies

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Speaker 2: impartiality is vitally important. For the first two decades or

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Speaker 2: so their existence, it really wasn't even an issue. It

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Speaker 2: wasn't thought of. They seemed to just be utilities. Your

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Speaker 2: ability to be a customer of Apple or Amazon or

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Speaker 2: Google didn't have anything to do with your social or

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Speaker 2: your political views. But then there was a great awokening.

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Speaker 2: It happened everyone had to take a stand. The election

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Speaker 2: of Trump only poured gasoline on that fire. Suddenly the

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Speaker 2: companies themselves, they're not just utilities anymore. They started to

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Speaker 2: kick people off their services for reasons that had nothing

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Speaker 2: to do of whether they could pay or not, and

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01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:15,920
Speaker 2: this set up a new dystopia, an almost private social

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Speaker 2: credit score system where at any time, for any reason,

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Speaker 2: your ability to exist as a normal human being in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty three can just be cut off for wrong

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Speaker 2: think or even alleged wrongthink. The latest example is so

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Speaker 2: crazy it is almost difficult to even wrap your head around.

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Speaker 2: It revolves around a Baltimore man's recent experience with Amazon.

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Speaker 2: Brandon Jackson. He's a Baltimore resident who on May twenty

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Speaker 2: fifth found himself in a weird predicament. He couldn't log

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Speaker 2: in to his Amazon account, and it wasn't just a nuisance.

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Speaker 2: The issue was his Amazon account was linked to his

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Speaker 2: smart home devices. It was run by the Alexis system.

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Speaker 2: No Amazon, no smart home. So he did some digging.

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Speaker 2: It appeared he had received an email the day before

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Speaker 2: from Amazon from an executive asking him to call the company.

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Speaker 2: He was mystified, since when do you need to call Amazon?

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Speaker 2: It almost seemed like a prank or a phishing scam.

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Speaker 2: After he gets on the phone with the Amazon executive,

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Speaker 2: he discovers the delivery driver of a package on a

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Speaker 2: day before reported hearing a quote racist remark As he

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Speaker 2: dropped his package off at Jackson's home. Now, it's important

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Speaker 2: to understand a few things here. Number One, Jackson himself

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Speaker 2: is a black man. Number two, he was living in

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Speaker 2: a Baltimore neighborhood, also predominantly black. Number three, most important

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Speaker 2: of all, Jackson was literally not at home, nor was

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Speaker 2: anyone else in his household at the time of the delivery,

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Speaker 2: an alleged incident. Luckily, he was actually able to gain

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Speaker 2: access through a third party to his smartphone smart home

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Speaker 2: doorbell footage, and he verified that the automated response after

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Speaker 2: delivery driver rang the bell was quote, excuse me, can

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Speaker 2: I help you? The driver reported the remark was also

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Speaker 2: wearing headphones at the time of the incident. Jackson believed

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Speaker 2: that he somehow had misheard it while wearing those headphones.

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Speaker 2: Jackson compiled multiple video angles from directions to verified had occurred,

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Speaker 2: and he submitted this evidence to Amazon, but he had

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Speaker 2: to wait days before his account was restored. All of

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Speaker 2: this was verified by YouTuber Luis Rossman. Now, the company

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Speaker 2: did not even apologize to him. They did not acknowledge

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Speaker 2: any fault, quite literally rendering his entire system useless that

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Speaker 2: he used to run his home. Now I know that

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Speaker 2: people out there who can't even get into their house

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Speaker 2: without Alexa or can't even use their TV, what would

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Speaker 2: they do?

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Speaker 3: And for what? The guy didn't say anything?

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Speaker 2: The moronic delivery driver misheard an automated remark. Does that

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Speaker 2: mean from now on all of us are literally at

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Speaker 2: the mercy of hearing an Amazon delivery driver driver how

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Speaker 2: what they might or may not hear onto whether our

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Speaker 2: account can exist or not. It's easy to say, yeah,

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Speaker 2: this guy's an idiot, why is he relying entirely on

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Speaker 2: Amazon for his house? But realistically, how many options do

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Speaker 2: you really have out there?

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Speaker 3: For a smart doorbell that's easy to use?

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01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:55,760
Speaker 2: Sure, you can use your own you can do your

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01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:58,000
Speaker 2: own research, you could rig everything up locally. Who has

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01:08:58,040 --> 01:09:00,320
Speaker 2: the expertise, in the time, the money to do that?

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01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:03,200
Speaker 2: Or take smart home an Amazon out of it? What

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01:09:03,320 --> 01:09:05,280
Speaker 2: is you about your I Message account for if you

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01:09:05,360 --> 01:09:08,200
Speaker 2: use an iPhone, your Gmail account or your Google Drive,

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01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:10,719
Speaker 2: were Microsoft account that you may use for your business.

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Speaker 2: All of us, it seems, are simply one fake accusation

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Speaker 2: away from being cut off from a vital part of

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01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:19,639
Speaker 2: our lives or our business. The world really saw how

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01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:21,760
Speaker 2: precarious this all was after January six.

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Speaker 3: You can hate what happened.

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01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:25,240
Speaker 2: You can still be alarmed, though that parlor, a social

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01:09:25,320 --> 01:09:27,280
Speaker 2: media site we now know is not really central at

1445
01:09:27,280 --> 01:09:30,799
Speaker 2: all to planning the January six attack was simultaneously nuked

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01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:33,479
Speaker 2: from the Apple App Store and basically removed from Amazon

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01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:36,840
Speaker 2: Web Services. Prior to that incident, most people it didn't

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Speaker 2: even know that was possible. Amazon Web Services was like

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01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:43,519
Speaker 2: a utility, but it's not a utility because it's not

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Speaker 2: governed by any laws.

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01:09:45,320 --> 01:09:47,679
Speaker 3: It's a private company. It can do whatever it wants.

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01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:50,120
Speaker 2: Same with the way that our payment processing companies like

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01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:53,280
Speaker 2: Visa and MasterCard are. They can simply just not accept

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01:09:53,320 --> 01:09:55,400
Speaker 2: you as a customer if they don't want to, and

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01:09:55,520 --> 01:09:59,120
Speaker 2: right now their services have been pulled mostly from fringe actors.

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01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:02,000
Speaker 2: But that's just how starts the architecture for a private

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Speaker 2: social credit score system.

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Speaker 3: It's already here.

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01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:06,320
Speaker 2: You can be locked out of your phone and your

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01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:08,760
Speaker 2: smart home, your bank, and you will have no right

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01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:12,280
Speaker 2: or recourse to contest what happens to you. In many ways,

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01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:15,000
Speaker 2: you actually have more rights when you were accused by

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01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:17,000
Speaker 2: the government than you do when you're threatened by the

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Speaker 2: might of corporate power.

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Speaker 3: In this country.

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Speaker 2: In the meantime, remember, anytime you willingly sign up for

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Speaker 2: any of these services, you're signing up for something else too.

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Speaker 2: That's the iron hand of fake justice. In the event,

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Speaker 2: should you ever be accused, how crazy is this? He

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01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:31,320
Speaker 2: didn't even say anything.

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Speaker 1: He did not And if you want to hear my

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Speaker 1: reaction to Sager's monologue, become a premium subscriber today at

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Speaker 1: breakingpoints dot com.

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Speaker 3: Chrissel, what are you taking to look at? Well?

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Speaker 1: Guys? Once upon a time, student athletes at top colleges

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01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:49,479
Speaker 1: were treated more as indentured servants than as the remarkable

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Speaker 1: competitors that they are. While their schools and TV networks

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Speaker 1: all profited off their hard work and grueling schedules, the

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Speaker 1: athletes themselves, they were denied any opportunity to share in

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Speaker 1: the fruits of their labor.

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Speaker 4: Then everything changed.

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Speaker 1: In twenty twenty one, the Supreme Court unanimously ruled in

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Speaker 1: favor of student athletes who were challenging limits on internships

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01:11:07,439 --> 01:11:10,519
Speaker 1: and other educational benefits that schools could use to lure them.

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Speaker 1: And that decision opened the door for a whole lot more.

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Speaker 1: As Justice Kavanaugh wrote at the time, traditions alone cannot

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Speaker 1: justify the NCAA's decision to build a massive money raising

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Speaker 1: enterprise on the backs of student athletes who are not

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Speaker 1: fairly compensated. Nowhere else in America can businesses get away

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01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:30,200
Speaker 1: with agreeing not to pay their workers a fair market

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01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:32,760
Speaker 1: rate on the theory that their product is defined by

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Speaker 1: not paying their workers a fair market rate.

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Speaker 4: The NCAAA is not above the law.

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01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:37,960
Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 1: The NCAA, seeing the writing on the wall, decided that

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Speaker 1: rather than being forced into actually directly compensating student athletes,

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01:11:45,080 --> 01:11:47,439
Speaker 1: they would change their rules and they would allow athletes

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Speaker 1: to profit off of their name, image, and likeness. So

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01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:53,200
Speaker 1: athletes could nab sponsorship deal as they could monetize their

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Speaker 1: social media, thereby enabling at least some of them to

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Speaker 1: earn real money off of their prowess, including athletes and

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01:11:58,680 --> 01:12:01,000
Speaker 1: sports that don't have a sational league waiting to pay

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01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:03,559
Speaker 1: them big bucks after their college career, and they all

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Speaker 1: lived happily ever.

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Speaker 4: After, Right, Well not quite.

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Speaker 1: Did you actually think capitalism was going to lead to

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Speaker 1: some noble, perfect meritocracy. Come on, guys, this is America

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Speaker 1: at the height of influencer culture, and sex sells a

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Speaker 1: whole lot more than your.

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Speaker 4: Actual athletic prowess. According to a new report from The Free.

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Speaker 1: Press, the top female in particular college athlete earners are

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Speaker 1: not the top in the sport.

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Speaker 3: They are the.

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Speaker 1: Hottest girls with the savviest social media presence. The reporter

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01:12:29,240 --> 01:12:33,280
Speaker 1: dubs this dynamic the NCAA's hot girl problem. In particular,

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01:12:33,320 --> 01:12:37,240
Speaker 1: they highlight the Cavender Twins lean blonde twin basketball players

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01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:39,920
Speaker 1: who transferred from Fresno State to University of Miami in

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01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:42,240
Speaker 1: order to be closer to the limelight just to become

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Speaker 1: a Division one college athlete. Let's be clear, it's a

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Speaker 1: really impressive accomplishment. So I'm not trying to take anything

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Speaker 1: away from these ladies' ability, but they're clearly not being

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Speaker 1: paid for their basketball skills so much as their skill

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Speaker 1: at frolicking in a bikini on a beach. After all,

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Speaker 1: as the article points out, top women's basketball players average

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01:12:59,320 --> 01:13:02,960
Speaker 1: and nearly thirty points per game. Now, Hayley Camder scored

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01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:05,120
Speaker 1: about twelve points per game. It was pretty impressive. Her

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01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:08,320
Speaker 1: last year at Miami, Hannah average about four points per game.

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01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:11,559
Speaker 1: Another top female earner, Olivia Dunn, is an excellent gymnast.

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Speaker 1: It was distinguished herself at Louisiana State on the uneven

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Speaker 1: bars in particular. But it's not like she's Olympian caliber

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01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:21,439
Speaker 1: good at the sport. She is, however, Olympian caliber good

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Speaker 1: at Instagram, where she posts exactly like your typical Instagram

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01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:27,960
Speaker 1: model and has wrapped up over four million followers. The

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Speaker 1: branding incentives on the men's side are apparently a little

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01:13:30,400 --> 01:13:33,760
Speaker 1: bit different, seemingly a bit more related to actual athletic performance,

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01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:36,799
Speaker 1: but even here ultimately all comes down to your ability

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01:13:36,840 --> 01:13:39,800
Speaker 1: to brand, and for the guys, having a famous last

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01:13:39,880 --> 01:13:42,439
Speaker 1: name that seems to be the ultimate trump card there.

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Speaker 1: The top earners on the men's side are Lebron James's

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01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:48,880
Speaker 1: son Brownie, and Peyton Manning's nephew Arch.

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Speaker 4: Of course, none of this should have been remotely.

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Speaker 1: Surprising to anyone who actually thought it through. In fact,

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01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:56,519
Speaker 1: I remember years ago there was kind of a similar

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01:13:56,560 --> 01:13:58,960
Speaker 1: panic about the fact that tennis player and A Kornakova

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01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:00,960
Speaker 1: was one of the best known and highest paid female

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Speaker 1: athletes in the world, even though her tennis ranking topped

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01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:06,160
Speaker 1: out at eighth in the world and she never actually won.

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Speaker 4: A singles title.

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Speaker 1: But she was gorgeous, and she was blonde, and she

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01:14:08,920 --> 01:14:10,519
Speaker 1: knew how to work a camera, even though this was

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01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:13,680
Speaker 1: the pre social media age. No casual scroll through the

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01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:16,719
Speaker 1: list of top paid women's athletes today reveals a remarkably

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01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:20,760
Speaker 1: similar dynamic. Sponsorship deals aren't just about appearance, it's more

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01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:24,439
Speaker 1: about overall brand. But being hot certainly doesn't hurt. Just

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01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:27,519
Speaker 1: ask number three on the list freestyle skier Eileen Goo,

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01:14:27,800 --> 01:14:30,519
Speaker 1: who is both an incredible Olympic gold medalist and also

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01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:33,599
Speaker 1: exceptionally beautiful. Number one on the list actually in twenty

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01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:36,600
Speaker 1: twenty two was tennis player Naomi Osaka, who has a

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01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:38,960
Speaker 1: look and a story that fashion mags fell all over

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01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:42,320
Speaker 1: themselves to feature. Brands aid it up completely. She's currently

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01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:44,880
Speaker 1: ranked in the four hundreds in tennis, but as of

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Speaker 1: last year at least, she was the absolute top in

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01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:50,280
Speaker 1: terms of female earnings. Now, I don't think any of

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01:14:50,320 --> 01:14:52,840
Speaker 1: these people, not the covender twins or osccer or the

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01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:55,200
Speaker 1: cute gymnast girl Instagram model, I don't think they should

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01:14:55,360 --> 01:14:57,960
Speaker 1: feel bad about any of this. As they say, don't

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01:14:57,960 --> 01:15:00,960
Speaker 1: hate the player, hate the games. Haley and Hannah, they

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01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:03,400
Speaker 1: were asked about the fundamental unfairness of their fame and

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Speaker 1: fortune as opposed to other superior, more impressive athletes, and

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01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:10,480
Speaker 1: they were appropriately apologetic about the system and about their privilege.

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Speaker 4: Hannah told the Free Press quote, I mean.

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Speaker 1: Obviously, yes, this is a touchy subject, but I think

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01:15:15,080 --> 01:15:17,360
Speaker 1: that we are privileged in a way. Obviously we don't

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01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:19,360
Speaker 1: deal with the same things that other women deal with

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01:15:19,439 --> 01:15:21,200
Speaker 1: or other people deal with, and that's just how our

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01:15:21,200 --> 01:15:24,360
Speaker 1: world is, and it's awful. They also don't expressed an

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01:15:24,439 --> 01:15:27,800
Speaker 1: awareness of how fleeting their Instagram model coom sports star

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01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:31,720
Speaker 1: celebrity might actually be. After all, they just graduated and

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01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:34,639
Speaker 1: they are not headed to the WNBA. So an uncertain

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01:15:34,680 --> 01:15:38,160
Speaker 1: future in a fickle capitalist marketplace where reblans can die

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01:15:38,479 --> 01:15:41,000
Speaker 1: in an instant that's already staring them right.

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01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:41,320
Speaker 4: In the face.

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01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:44,280
Speaker 1: To me, the whole situation is pretty revealing. Shows the

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Speaker 1: distance between what we tell ourselves we value merit, hard work, excellence,

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01:15:48,280 --> 01:15:51,360
Speaker 1: and what we actually value. After all, these sponsors and

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01:15:51,400 --> 01:15:53,840
Speaker 1: these athletes, they're just responding to what the human beings

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01:15:53,840 --> 01:15:56,880
Speaker 1: who make up the market actually want. It also shows

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01:15:56,920 --> 01:16:00,479
Speaker 1: you the kind of twisted supposed meritocracies are actually built,

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Speaker 1: even in the best of cases.

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Speaker 4: In the free market.

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01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:06,040
Speaker 1: On Wall Street, for example, we would theoretically, an ideal

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01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:10,160
Speaker 1: world want to reward stability, ethics, competence. Instead, cheaters and

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01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:13,080
Speaker 1: reckless risk takers win the price. In corporate America, we

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01:16:13,200 --> 01:16:16,400
Speaker 1: want to reward innovation concern for employees, but instead we

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01:16:16,439 --> 01:16:19,000
Speaker 1: reward the biggest ladder climbing psychopaths who are best at

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01:16:19,040 --> 01:16:22,240
Speaker 1: ringing markets into monopolies. Don't be mad at these girls

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01:16:22,320 --> 01:16:24,400
Speaker 1: for getting their bag. Still better that at least some

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01:16:24,520 --> 01:16:27,439
Speaker 1: athletes can monetize their labor in some way. But let's

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Speaker 1: not pretend this is anything approaching economic power for the

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Speaker 1: vast majority of extraordinary student athletes.

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Speaker 3: Sager.

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Speaker 2: As you know, and if you want to hear my

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01:16:36,360 --> 01:16:39,720
Speaker 2: reaction to Crystal's monologue, become a premium subscriber today at

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01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:45,880
Speaker 2: breakingpoints dot com. We're very excited to have the panel

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01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:47,559
Speaker 2: back here on Breaking Points.

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Speaker 4: We got too historic.

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01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:49,920
Speaker 3: He's an historic moment.

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01:16:49,960 --> 01:16:52,760
Speaker 2: Many people are saying, We've got two fantastic guests. Ryan

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01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:55,639
Speaker 2: Gerdosky's a political consultant and author, and we've got Sam

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Speaker 2: Mangold Lennett.

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Speaker 3: He is a staff editor over at the Federalists.

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Speaker 2: Guys, we've been hyping this one up big, so we

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01:17:00,840 --> 01:17:03,200
Speaker 2: appreciate you. You're a first thing in studio, guests, I

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01:17:03,200 --> 01:17:04,840
Speaker 2: already think it looks pretty nice. Let's go and see

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01:17:04,840 --> 01:17:05,960
Speaker 2: that beautiful wide shot people.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeahs operate than the old set one you would

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Speaker 1: have guests on.

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Speaker 3: I'm loving it a lot.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So the reason you guys are here is we

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Speaker 2: wanted to do a panel about America First, the case

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01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:21,639
Speaker 2: for Ron DeSantis and for Trump. And it's I think

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01:17:21,640 --> 01:17:23,599
Speaker 2: an interesting way to approach it because the way that

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01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:25,519
Speaker 2: most of the media talks about this, they leave kind

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Speaker 2: of the policy out and then they just focus on

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01:17:27,560 --> 01:17:29,719
Speaker 2: the politics. We're actually going to put the politics second

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01:17:29,880 --> 01:17:31,760
Speaker 2: and focus a little bit on a policy. Ran I

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Speaker 2: want to start with you. You're somebody who's been active

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01:17:33,520 --> 01:17:36,200
Speaker 2: in the movement now for quite a long time. You're

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01:17:36,200 --> 01:17:40,040
Speaker 2: somebody who no, you're not old, he's not old.

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Speaker 3: It looks great here on the Capra.

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01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:43,840
Speaker 2: But Ryan, you were somebody who were making the case

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Speaker 2: on America first, even very very early days twenty fifteen onwards,

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01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:51,120
Speaker 2: somebody who's voiced some support now for Governor Ron de Santis.

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Speaker 3: So I think it'd be valuable to start with.

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01:17:52,479 --> 01:17:55,720
Speaker 2: You and kind of layout what is America first, and

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Speaker 2: why does Ron Desant just kind of fit into that vision. Well.

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Speaker 5: I think that we've had now several decades of the

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01:18:02,080 --> 01:18:06,439
Speaker 5: people running our government putting working class people last and

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01:18:06,720 --> 01:18:10,040
Speaker 5: oftentimes working for the idea for their own ideas and

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01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:15,959
Speaker 5: their own narratives about globalism or international organizations, international peace missions.

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01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:18,599
Speaker 5: And lost in that is the fact that working class

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01:18:18,640 --> 01:18:21,160
Speaker 5: people in this country, they have died earlier than they

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01:18:21,160 --> 01:18:23,400
Speaker 5: have in decades. They're poorer than they have been in decades.

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01:18:23,439 --> 01:18:25,680
Speaker 5: They don't have real material wealth as they had. A

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01:18:25,680 --> 01:18:27,360
Speaker 5: lot of their children who have famed these wars and

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01:18:27,360 --> 01:18:29,880
Speaker 5: are now coming back addicted to fedanol. I think that

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01:18:31,240 --> 01:18:34,000
Speaker 5: I think that Trump did a great job at breaking

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01:18:34,200 --> 01:18:37,400
Speaker 5: through the Republican narrative, the long standing Republican ARA and

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01:18:37,400 --> 01:18:40,360
Speaker 5: the dates back to Reagan. However, when he was president,

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01:18:40,400 --> 01:18:44,040
Speaker 5: he didn't do many of those things. He hired people

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01:18:44,439 --> 01:18:47,320
Speaker 5: that he either was related to or that was brought

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01:18:47,360 --> 01:18:50,240
Speaker 5: to him by the RNC, and that was really really

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01:18:50,280 --> 01:18:51,960
Speaker 5: bad for a lot of things. We never got a wall,

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01:18:52,160 --> 01:18:54,799
Speaker 5: we never got most of his immigration policies. The factories

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01:18:55,040 --> 01:18:56,879
Speaker 5: jobs that had come back, they didn't go to the Midwest.

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Speaker 5: We didn't get infrastructure. I mean, Washington lovespent money, he

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01:19:00,720 --> 01:19:04,479
Speaker 5: couldn't even get them to spend money on infrastructure. And

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01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:08,520
Speaker 5: I think we need somebody more capable and more understanding

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01:19:08,560 --> 01:19:10,640
Speaker 5: of how to use the lovers of power in the

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Speaker 5: direction we want to go.

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Speaker 3: And I think that's Ron Desanta's.

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Speaker 2: Sam, why don't you go ahead America first kind of

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01:19:15,720 --> 01:19:18,040
Speaker 2: how do you disagree with anything that Ryan just laid

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Speaker 2: out there, and then give us the case for Trump

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Speaker 2: within the America First framework.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so I agree with what Ryan said about the

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01:19:25,280 --> 01:19:28,479
Speaker 6: left behind Americans. I think of it as a complete

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Speaker 6: and utter prioritization of the people who really are the

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01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:35,000
Speaker 6: better rock of the nation. You know, working class Americans

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01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:37,000
Speaker 6: grow the food, They build the stuff here, or at

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01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:38,439
Speaker 6: least they used to build the stuff here before we

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01:19:38,560 --> 01:19:42,200
Speaker 6: stop building stuff here. I think there are valid concerns

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01:19:42,200 --> 01:19:45,960
Speaker 6: about staffing in the former Trump administration, and I think

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01:19:46,040 --> 01:19:48,840
Speaker 6: a lot of those concerns will be remedied moving forward

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01:19:48,840 --> 01:19:52,400
Speaker 6: should Trump be the forty seventh president. But I do

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Speaker 6: understand the concern I think it's also imperative to note

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Speaker 6: that the political moment we're in in the conservative movement

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01:19:58,680 --> 01:20:02,000
Speaker 6: is entirely because of the Mega movement. It's entirely Trump's

1679
01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:05,240
Speaker 6: paradigm that's built around his brand, or not his personal brand,

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Speaker 6: but his political movement.

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Speaker 1: So, Ryan, let me push you a little bit on

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01:20:09,600 --> 01:20:12,000
Speaker 1: DeSantis here, And obviously, like I don't really have a

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Speaker 1: dog in this fight.

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Speaker 4: You guys are on different team than me.

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Speaker 1: But in terms of DeSantis, his legislative track record is

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01:20:20,240 --> 01:20:23,839
Speaker 1: very much of that standard no conservative. You know, he's

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01:20:24,120 --> 01:20:25,880
Speaker 1: many times talked about or he wants to cut so

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01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:28,800
Speaker 1: security and raise the age, he wants to cut Medicare

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01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:31,080
Speaker 1: and you know, debt and the deficit, and you know,

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Speaker 1: it was very much in line with sort of the

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01:20:32,720 --> 01:20:36,080
Speaker 1: standard views on foreign policy, the kind of John McCain

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Speaker 1: type neocon.

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Speaker 4: Views on foreign policy.

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Speaker 1: So and even now, it's not like what he's running

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01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:44,880
Speaker 1: on is a restoration of the working class. He's running

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Speaker 1: you know, we're going to make Florida's the place where

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01:20:47,200 --> 01:20:49,280
Speaker 1: what goes to die. And he's fixated more on the

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01:20:49,280 --> 01:20:52,120
Speaker 1: cultural side of the conservative spectrum. So what makes you

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01:20:52,160 --> 01:20:55,120
Speaker 1: think that he fits with that working class vision that you.

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Speaker 5: Had well when he was governor. One of the things

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01:20:57,320 --> 01:20:59,160
Speaker 5: that he did Forlorida is a very expensive state to

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01:20:59,200 --> 01:21:00,679
Speaker 5: live in. Now, there's a lot of people who moved

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01:21:00,680 --> 01:21:03,600
Speaker 5: there was. He did the hometown Heroes Law, which is

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01:21:03,600 --> 01:21:05,439
Speaker 5: if you're a nurse, or if you're a firefighter or

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01:21:05,439 --> 01:21:07,040
Speaker 5: a policeman or a teacher and you have to live

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01:21:07,080 --> 01:21:09,280
Speaker 5: close to the centative a very expensive place, the state

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01:21:09,280 --> 01:21:11,519
Speaker 5: helps paper your down payment of your house. He suspended

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01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:15,599
Speaker 5: sales taxes on baby items for working class mothers. They

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01:21:15,640 --> 01:21:18,479
Speaker 5: did a lot of stuff that was towards working class people.

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01:21:18,600 --> 01:21:20,519
Speaker 5: Is he running and messaging on it the correct way.

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 5: I like to sit there and seem to do more.

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01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:26,200
Speaker 5: But I think that the intentions and the conversations that

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01:21:26,240 --> 01:21:28,240
Speaker 5: he's having, I think there's some in capable of actually

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01:21:28,280 --> 01:21:30,840
Speaker 5: executing that. It's going to be the Santas more so

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01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:32,519
Speaker 5: than Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: Well, so that's Sam. Let's talk about the staffing that

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01:21:34,520 --> 01:21:36,719
Speaker 2: you were saying. Ryan and I were quite literally covering

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01:21:36,760 --> 01:21:39,599
Speaker 2: it a lot of it at the time. I personally

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Speaker 2: observed interviewed Trump four sepperate times. He always seemed to

1721
01:21:42,400 --> 01:21:44,840
Speaker 2: care much more about his own personal issues than really

1722
01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:47,360
Speaker 2: kind of the movement issues that you're talking about. You

1723
01:21:47,439 --> 01:21:50,920
Speaker 2: described it his movement and not as personal. What makes

1724
01:21:50,920 --> 01:21:53,240
Speaker 2: you think that given the way the demands, loyalty tests

1725
01:21:53,240 --> 01:21:58,320
Speaker 2: and hiring his relatives who don't necessarily face the hemergrad

1726
01:21:58,439 --> 01:22:01,519
Speaker 2: but who don't close Crystal they are let's just let's yeah,

1727
01:22:01,760 --> 01:22:03,120
Speaker 2: I will let Riot say that.

1728
01:22:03,240 --> 01:22:06,600
Speaker 3: Yeah. But you know, I think that's a fair criticism.

1729
01:22:06,680 --> 01:22:08,680
Speaker 2: What gives you the confidence that Jared Kusher is not

1730
01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:10,439
Speaker 2: going to come right back into the White House Rice's

1731
01:22:10,479 --> 01:22:12,800
Speaker 2: previous won't be the chief of staff again? Why do

1732
01:22:12,840 --> 01:22:15,360
Speaker 2: you have such confidence in a second term rather than

1733
01:22:15,400 --> 01:22:17,080
Speaker 2: what happened in the first term and we all saw it.

1734
01:22:17,800 --> 01:22:20,639
Speaker 6: So in regard to Jerry Kushner, I think he's distanced

1735
01:22:20,720 --> 01:22:25,240
Speaker 6: himself pretty far from this go around, just for whatever

1736
01:22:25,280 --> 01:22:29,000
Speaker 6: personal reasons. There's also the whole, you know, punished Trump

1737
01:22:29,280 --> 01:22:33,400
Speaker 6: arc aspect of it. There's the whole drive for I

1738
01:22:33,400 --> 01:22:37,320
Speaker 6: don't say revenge, but the want for a comeback type thing.

1739
01:22:38,760 --> 01:22:39,160
Speaker 3: They are.

1740
01:22:39,400 --> 01:22:42,200
Speaker 6: He's surrounding himself, from my understanding, with people who are

1741
01:22:42,200 --> 01:22:46,799
Speaker 6: better able to sniff out the land mines, which frankly

1742
01:22:46,840 --> 01:22:49,479
Speaker 6: should have been from the get go, But being a

1743
01:22:49,520 --> 01:22:53,280
Speaker 6: political outsetter, there's a bit of naivity with that. So

1744
01:22:53,360 --> 01:22:57,000
Speaker 6: my understanding is that with a healthy dose dose of

1745
01:22:57,000 --> 01:23:00,439
Speaker 6: skepticism and cynicism, they'll be able to better replaced their

1746
01:23:00,479 --> 01:23:01,719
Speaker 6: feet and they were the first time around.

1747
01:23:01,880 --> 01:23:03,960
Speaker 3: Ryan, what's your pase totally disagree with that.

1748
01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:06,160
Speaker 5: I mean, he's got Christmas Slivida, who is the chief

1749
01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:08,960
Speaker 5: political person, the guy who was from Paul Ryan's campaign

1750
01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:11,479
Speaker 5: and he ran Tony Gonzalez for Congress and Ohio who

1751
01:23:11,520 --> 01:23:14,200
Speaker 5: voted for impeachment. It's his number one political guy right now.

1752
01:23:14,920 --> 01:23:19,880
Speaker 5: AFPI American Principal of America. Whatever the whole AFPI think

1753
01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:22,120
Speaker 5: tank is, they're going to staff the White House. They

1754
01:23:22,280 --> 01:23:27,519
Speaker 5: were created from Jared Kushner's number two in the White House.

1755
01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:30,320
Speaker 5: So it's all Jared Kushner people left and right. And

1756
01:23:30,400 --> 01:23:34,120
Speaker 5: Trump's demand for an arc for a redemption is not

1757
01:23:34,160 --> 01:23:36,200
Speaker 5: that he's going to finally give into his base. It's

1758
01:23:36,200 --> 01:23:39,080
Speaker 5: going to finally earn love from the media. That's who

1759
01:23:39,200 --> 01:23:42,800
Speaker 5: he's really appealing to. I mean, Trump would much more

1760
01:23:42,880 --> 01:23:45,920
Speaker 5: care about a positive headline from Maggie Haberman then from

1761
01:23:46,080 --> 01:23:49,880
Speaker 5: the Daytona Weekly, and like that's just the truth. So

1762
01:23:50,280 --> 01:23:52,439
Speaker 5: when he gets in there, I mean, what was he

1763
01:23:52,520 --> 01:23:54,360
Speaker 5: working on right before he left office?

1764
01:23:54,360 --> 01:23:55,000
Speaker 3: An amnesty?

1765
01:23:55,479 --> 01:23:58,280
Speaker 5: There's no evidence whatsoever that he wouldn't just do that

1766
01:23:58,360 --> 01:24:00,920
Speaker 5: because he's finally going to get the love from the morning,

1767
01:24:01,000 --> 01:24:03,200
Speaker 5: Joe will have a great segment on him saying, Wow,

1768
01:24:03,320 --> 01:24:06,880
Speaker 5: Donald Trump, he finally did. He'll get all the love

1769
01:24:06,920 --> 01:24:09,519
Speaker 5: he finally wants from the people who hate him the most.

1770
01:24:09,320 --> 01:24:10,759
Speaker 3: Which is all he craves.

1771
01:24:11,200 --> 01:24:14,200
Speaker 5: And there's that sociopathic cynicism.

1772
01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:15,839
Speaker 3: That he just can't help himself.

1773
01:24:15,880 --> 01:24:18,479
Speaker 5: He can't control his his fingers on truth social he

1774
01:24:18,520 --> 01:24:21,719
Speaker 5: can't control his mouth in public. There's no evidence whatsoever

1775
01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:24,080
Speaker 5: he's gonna be able to control anything. And you know,

1776
01:24:24,120 --> 01:24:26,880
Speaker 5: and Jarald will be going to foreign countries, probably bribing

1777
01:24:26,920 --> 01:24:28,479
Speaker 5: them for more money like he did with the Kataris

1778
01:24:28,479 --> 01:24:31,680
Speaker 5: and the Saudies, so like he's Hunter Bider without the

1779
01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:34,040
Speaker 5: kids and the hookers. Like that is basically what you're

1780
01:24:34,080 --> 01:24:36,640
Speaker 5: looking at with the Trump family. And there's only so

1781
01:24:36,800 --> 01:24:39,040
Speaker 5: much more that we could sit there and say, no,

1782
01:24:39,160 --> 01:24:41,200
Speaker 5: this time, he's going to get it right. He's seventy seven.

1783
01:24:41,240 --> 01:24:42,400
Speaker 5: Now that's the magic number.

1784
01:24:42,439 --> 01:24:44,719
Speaker 3: What do you say, Sam, I mean, I totally understand

1785
01:24:44,720 --> 01:24:45,280
Speaker 3: the cynicism.

1786
01:24:45,400 --> 01:24:48,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, but I would just highlight that I don't I

1787
01:24:48,680 --> 01:24:52,080
Speaker 6: mean not to you know, bring the personal personalities into it.

1788
01:24:52,120 --> 01:24:54,040
Speaker 3: I don't see how.

1789
01:24:53,800 --> 01:24:57,920
Speaker 6: Any Republican administration would be able to avoid any land

1790
01:24:57,960 --> 01:25:01,160
Speaker 6: mines put by bureaucrats or the deep state or whatever.

1791
01:25:01,240 --> 01:25:03,240
Speaker 6: I just don't see how it is Santis administration can

1792
01:25:03,320 --> 01:25:04,200
Speaker 6: back sniff things out.

1793
01:25:04,280 --> 01:25:06,000
Speaker 1: That actually kind of gets to the question I wanted

1794
01:25:06,000 --> 01:25:08,160
Speaker 1: to ask both of you guys, which is, it's hard

1795
01:25:08,200 --> 01:25:09,600
Speaker 1: for me to see why you have any faith in

1796
01:25:09,640 --> 01:25:11,400
Speaker 1: either one of these guys to actually deliver for the

1797
01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:12,559
Speaker 1: working class when.

1798
01:25:12,680 --> 01:25:14,320
Speaker 4: You know we've seen post Trump.

1799
01:25:14,439 --> 01:25:16,640
Speaker 1: First of all, Trump's major accomplishment in office is a

1800
01:25:16,680 --> 01:25:19,839
Speaker 1: giant tax break, too, like the wealthiest Americans overwhelming.

1801
01:25:19,880 --> 01:25:21,920
Speaker 5: Well, he let criminals out of prison too. Don't forget

1802
01:25:21,960 --> 01:25:23,080
Speaker 5: that was a second.

1803
01:25:23,640 --> 01:25:25,640
Speaker 1: I support criminal justice reform, but I know you have

1804
01:25:25,680 --> 01:25:28,519
Speaker 1: a different position on that. But I mean, but that's

1805
01:25:28,560 --> 01:25:31,000
Speaker 1: his biggest accomplishment in office is a giant tax cut.

1806
01:25:31,040 --> 01:25:34,519
Speaker 1: Why because that's all the infrastructure that backs the Republican Party.

1807
01:25:34,760 --> 01:25:37,439
Speaker 1: You know, they had that tax cut. He's incompetent, but

1808
01:25:37,520 --> 01:25:40,320
Speaker 1: they had that tax cut locked and loaded, ready to go.

1809
01:25:40,720 --> 01:25:43,559
Speaker 1: And those are the still the institutions that run the

1810
01:25:43,640 --> 01:25:45,960
Speaker 1: Republican Party. And you see it with you know, the

1811
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:49,200
Speaker 1: current House Republican Caucus. Yeah, they were sort of shamed

1812
01:25:49,240 --> 01:25:51,040
Speaker 1: into claiming, oh, we're not going to touch those security

1813
01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:53,200
Speaker 1: in Medicare state headline today, they're plotting like, okay, well,

1814
01:25:53,200 --> 01:25:56,599
Speaker 1: how can we actually cut social Security and medicare? The

1815
01:25:56,640 --> 01:25:59,920
Speaker 1: elites in the Republican Party have not changed. NA say

1816
01:26:00,120 --> 01:26:02,200
Speaker 1: this is backed by those elites. I mean his you know,

1817
01:26:02,240 --> 01:26:05,360
Speaker 1: he's very it's very much a donor play from Ronda Santis.

1818
01:26:05,360 --> 01:26:08,519
Speaker 1: Trump has more grassroots based support, but there's no track

1819
01:26:08,560 --> 01:26:11,559
Speaker 1: record for him actually delivering on any of the things

1820
01:26:11,560 --> 01:26:14,120
Speaker 1: that might help working class people. So it's just not

1821
01:26:14,200 --> 01:26:15,879
Speaker 1: clear to me why you would think either.

1822
01:26:15,680 --> 01:26:16,600
Speaker 4: Of these people would deliver it.

1823
01:26:16,640 --> 01:26:19,640
Speaker 5: But if it was a donor play, Desandas would not

1824
01:26:19,680 --> 01:26:22,120
Speaker 5: have done e verify. The donors are screaming, don't do it.

1825
01:26:22,120 --> 01:26:23,639
Speaker 5: They wouldn't have done the pro life thing.

1826
01:26:24,360 --> 01:26:27,000
Speaker 1: Folded on Ukraine, right, I mean he got pushed back

1827
01:26:27,080 --> 01:26:31,759
Speaker 1: on Ukraine. He was uncomfortable. Was that clearly was pressure

1828
01:26:31,800 --> 01:26:33,599
Speaker 1: from the drum. Just look where he gets his money.

1829
01:26:33,640 --> 01:26:35,200
Speaker 1: I mean, that's why I'm saying it's a donor play.

1830
01:26:35,280 --> 01:26:38,280
Speaker 1: Is just listen, we all know how Washington works, right,

1831
01:26:38,360 --> 01:26:40,639
Speaker 1: I guess you know that those are the people whose

1832
01:26:40,880 --> 01:26:44,120
Speaker 1: calls he will take. Those are the people calls they

1833
01:26:44,120 --> 01:26:46,720
Speaker 1: complains not even running on the things that you want

1834
01:26:46,800 --> 01:26:48,280
Speaker 1: him to run on. So what makes you.

1835
01:26:48,240 --> 01:26:51,879
Speaker 4: Think that he's gonna like, what makes you think.

1836
01:26:51,720 --> 01:26:54,479
Speaker 1: That if you're not even if you run on it,

1837
01:26:54,520 --> 01:26:56,240
Speaker 1: there's like a small chance you might do it when

1838
01:26:56,240 --> 01:26:57,920
Speaker 1: you're off, you're not even talking about it, like it's.

1839
01:26:57,840 --> 01:26:58,320
Speaker 4: Not gonna happen.

1840
01:26:58,439 --> 01:27:01,439
Speaker 5: Okay, there are three things that the donors said don't

1841
01:27:01,479 --> 01:27:02,519
Speaker 5: do this year Disney.

1842
01:27:02,560 --> 01:27:04,880
Speaker 3: He did it. He verified he did it. Abortion, he

1843
01:27:04,920 --> 01:27:05,200
Speaker 3: did it.

1844
01:27:05,479 --> 01:27:07,760
Speaker 5: So what evidence is there that he's going to cowtow

1845
01:27:07,920 --> 01:27:10,519
Speaker 5: to the donors? And Nikki Hilly's criticism to him was

1846
01:27:10,960 --> 01:27:13,400
Speaker 5: you got money from them, how could you possibly hurt them?

1847
01:27:13,680 --> 01:27:16,479
Speaker 5: Come to South Carolina Disney? That was her little like,

1848
01:27:16,520 --> 01:27:18,519
Speaker 5: how dare you defy the donors?

1849
01:27:18,520 --> 01:27:19,360
Speaker 3: That's her attack.

1850
01:27:19,680 --> 01:27:22,679
Speaker 5: So if he's balance the donors, he's doing a bad job.

1851
01:27:22,800 --> 01:27:25,559
Speaker 2: That's a fair point. He's kicked on some of their stuff.

1852
01:27:25,600 --> 01:27:28,080
Speaker 2: Crystal's right that he did fold a little bit on Ukraine,

1853
01:27:28,280 --> 01:27:28,960
Speaker 2: which was different.

1854
01:27:28,960 --> 01:27:31,679
Speaker 5: He doesn't have a very very well thought out policy,

1855
01:27:31,680 --> 01:27:33,479
Speaker 5: and he said point blank it might be over by

1856
01:27:33,479 --> 01:27:34,439
Speaker 5: the time it become president.

1857
01:27:34,520 --> 01:27:34,680
Speaker 3: So I.

1858
01:27:36,680 --> 01:27:36,880
Speaker 1: Liked that.

1859
01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:39,720
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, so given that though Ryan, in terms of the

1860
01:27:39,720 --> 01:27:42,120
Speaker 2: donor support, it is on you know Ken Griffin, many

1861
01:27:42,160 --> 01:27:44,200
Speaker 2: of the other elites, billionaires in the Republican Party, they

1862
01:27:44,280 --> 01:27:46,920
Speaker 2: do support Rond DeSantis. How do you why do you

1863
01:27:46,920 --> 01:27:49,960
Speaker 2: have confidence that he will be better able to kick

1864
01:27:50,040 --> 01:27:51,400
Speaker 2: their influence than Trump did.

1865
01:27:51,640 --> 01:27:53,720
Speaker 5: If you look at what donors have said about him,

1866
01:27:53,720 --> 01:27:56,519
Speaker 5: it's the constant he doesn't take our phone calls he does.

1867
01:27:56,560 --> 01:28:01,479
Speaker 5: That's what the billionaire from New York, the Greek guy,

1868
01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:03,120
Speaker 5: he's like, I'm not giving him because he doesn't take

1869
01:28:03,120 --> 01:28:04,479
Speaker 5: my phone calls. It doesn't return of my phone calls.

1870
01:28:04,520 --> 01:28:07,080
Speaker 5: It's a constant complain about him. He's not personal. He

1871
01:28:07,080 --> 01:28:08,240
Speaker 5: doesn't show up at my events.

1872
01:28:08,240 --> 01:28:11,120
Speaker 1: That's the thing about him being like socially awkward basically.

1873
01:28:10,760 --> 01:28:14,200
Speaker 5: But it's not socially awkward. Well, that's the accusation I've been.

1874
01:28:14,240 --> 01:28:16,080
Speaker 5: I mean, it wasn't that socially awkward. I know people

1875
01:28:16,240 --> 01:28:21,280
Speaker 5: way wars, but go to the streets of Washington. Yes,

1876
01:28:21,320 --> 01:28:23,599
Speaker 5: that's true, but it's not that it's not social. It's

1877
01:28:23,640 --> 01:28:25,720
Speaker 5: not he's not owned by them. And if he was,

1878
01:28:26,400 --> 01:28:28,320
Speaker 5: I mean, he verified. Is one of the hardest things

1879
01:28:28,320 --> 01:28:30,760
Speaker 5: you could do in Flora. Between the agricultural lobby, the

1880
01:28:30,800 --> 01:28:35,960
Speaker 5: tourism lobby, and the construction industry, and he still managed

1881
01:28:35,960 --> 01:28:38,479
Speaker 5: to do it. And they were all pressuring him and

1882
01:28:38,600 --> 01:28:40,880
Speaker 5: the Florida GOP, and he did it and he was like, no,

1883
01:28:41,000 --> 01:28:43,800
Speaker 5: you can't have illegal stealing jobs from American workers. And

1884
01:28:44,720 --> 01:28:47,320
Speaker 5: I mean it got past amazingly because I didn't think

1885
01:28:47,360 --> 01:28:48,120
Speaker 5: it was going to right.

1886
01:28:48,240 --> 01:28:50,559
Speaker 2: So Sam, I think that's also a fair point though,

1887
01:28:50,720 --> 01:28:53,560
Speaker 2: is that while Trump was in office, Steve Schwartzman's on

1888
01:28:53,600 --> 01:28:56,639
Speaker 2: the phone, Rupert Murdock's on the phone, he loved getting

1889
01:28:56,800 --> 01:28:59,120
Speaker 2: the praise from all of the donor class, like while

1890
01:28:59,120 --> 01:29:01,160
Speaker 2: he was there. I actually person witnessed it whenever some

1891
01:29:01,200 --> 01:29:03,080
Speaker 2: of these guys were there, and the way you would

1892
01:29:03,080 --> 01:29:05,160
Speaker 2: suck up to them, the fortune five hundred CEOs.

1893
01:29:05,439 --> 01:29:06,960
Speaker 3: Why do you have confidence that's not going to happen

1894
01:29:07,040 --> 01:29:07,679
Speaker 3: this time around?

1895
01:29:07,800 --> 01:29:09,519
Speaker 6: Oh, I want to push back on something real quick.

1896
01:29:09,960 --> 01:29:14,519
Speaker 6: I think a major reason why DeSantis was able to

1897
01:29:14,520 --> 01:29:18,679
Speaker 6: accomplish a very successful and great legislative agenda was because

1898
01:29:18,720 --> 01:29:24,639
Speaker 6: he had a very ideologically aligned of Florida legislature. There's

1899
01:29:24,680 --> 01:29:29,000
Speaker 6: no guarantee that success would translate over to to Congress.

1900
01:29:29,920 --> 01:29:33,160
Speaker 6: That success was able to be achieved because Florida was

1901
01:29:33,280 --> 01:29:36,080
Speaker 6: aligned with him and coalesced around him. I am very

1902
01:29:36,080 --> 01:29:38,599
Speaker 6: skeptical that success could be achieved at the national level.

1903
01:29:38,640 --> 01:29:42,120
Speaker 6: I hope it could, but I don't think it would

1904
01:29:42,120 --> 01:29:44,000
Speaker 6: be as smooth as butter as it was in Florida.

1905
01:29:44,680 --> 01:29:45,559
Speaker 3: Absolutely true.

1906
01:29:45,600 --> 01:29:47,240
Speaker 5: But what you could do is you could do a

1907
01:29:47,240 --> 01:29:50,160
Speaker 5: schedule f and start firing people who are bureaucrats. There's

1908
01:29:50,320 --> 01:29:53,720
Speaker 5: things an executive actually can do that can fire bureaucrats.

1909
01:29:53,720 --> 01:29:56,240
Speaker 5: They can move agencies to different locations and let the

1910
01:29:56,240 --> 01:29:58,880
Speaker 5: bureaucrats not want to go to the Middle Omaha or whatever,

1911
01:29:59,120 --> 01:30:00,880
Speaker 5: for sure, and that's what Trump for that one I

1912
01:30:00,920 --> 01:30:04,240
Speaker 5: think was Interior or something the fear of land man,

1913
01:30:04,320 --> 01:30:05,680
Speaker 5: but yeah, that's what he did, and move them out

1914
01:30:05,680 --> 01:30:07,760
Speaker 5: of DC and people did not apply for their job.

1915
01:30:07,800 --> 01:30:08,080
Speaker 3: Again.

1916
01:30:08,600 --> 01:30:10,559
Speaker 5: I mean, there's things that you could sit there and

1917
01:30:10,600 --> 01:30:13,080
Speaker 5: do as the executive. You could do schedule there's a

1918
01:30:13,120 --> 01:30:14,600
Speaker 5: couple of schedules you could do to sit there and

1919
01:30:14,640 --> 01:30:17,240
Speaker 5: get rid of bureaucrats who defy you and hold you back.

1920
01:30:17,840 --> 01:30:18,639
Speaker 3: That's totally possible.

1921
01:30:18,720 --> 01:30:21,519
Speaker 5: Is it possible every legislative agenda through with a sixty

1922
01:30:21,640 --> 01:30:25,360
Speaker 5: vote threshold? Probably not, But with a lot of the

1923
01:30:25,400 --> 01:30:30,640
Speaker 5: issues that I care about, immigration, trade, foreign policy, you

1924
01:30:30,680 --> 01:30:31,680
Speaker 5: don't need Congress.

1925
01:30:31,880 --> 01:30:34,880
Speaker 1: Let me just write the last thing Ryan on this part,

1926
01:30:34,880 --> 01:30:36,559
Speaker 1: and then I want to move to the horse race

1927
01:30:36,640 --> 01:30:38,400
Speaker 1: part and look at the poles and all that good stuff.

1928
01:30:38,960 --> 01:30:41,720
Speaker 1: But I guess Ryan, when I look at DeSantis and

1929
01:30:41,760 --> 01:30:44,000
Speaker 1: try to take my own like ideological view out of it,

1930
01:30:44,320 --> 01:30:45,960
Speaker 1: I just see a guy who's trying to find the

1931
01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:47,160
Speaker 1: spot for like.

1932
01:30:47,160 --> 01:30:48,200
Speaker 4: He's twisting in the wind.

1933
01:30:48,320 --> 01:30:49,960
Speaker 1: I mean, when it was cool to be a Reagan

1934
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Speaker 1: Conservative and a Neocon, that's what he was. Now he

1935
01:30:53,080 --> 01:30:55,479
Speaker 1: sees the rise of Trump, He's like, Ah, that's that's the.

1936
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Speaker 4: Thing I need to get in on.

1937
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Speaker 1: So let me try to be that thing, and let

1938
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Speaker 1: me try to copycat Trump and even his mannerisms and

1939
01:31:01,840 --> 01:31:04,800
Speaker 1: whatever he would try to copy rhetorically. Okay, And so

1940
01:31:05,040 --> 01:31:07,439
Speaker 1: what gives you confidence that, if you know, the worm

1941
01:31:07,479 --> 01:31:09,759
Speaker 1: turns a little bit more and some of the issues

1942
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Speaker 1: that you care about fall out of fashion again, and

1943
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Speaker 1: he's under pressure from whoever, from the public, et cetera,

1944
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Speaker 1: that there's actually a core ideological commitment to any of this.

1945
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Speaker 5: Well, a lot of people try to be like Trump

1946
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Speaker 5: after twenty sixteen, and what they thought being Trump was

1947
01:31:25,160 --> 01:31:27,920
Speaker 5: was being an asshole on social media and being allowed

1948
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Speaker 5: and abrasive and still voting for tax cuts.

1949
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Speaker 3: And that's it.

1950
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Speaker 5: Like the Maga inc brand that some of the worst

1951
01:31:36,520 --> 01:31:40,200
Speaker 5: politicians in the country have on them is literally just

1952
01:31:40,240 --> 01:31:43,320
Speaker 5: Bushism with a different bumper sticker. What I and a

1953
01:31:43,320 --> 01:31:46,479
Speaker 5: lot of governors do the same thing too. Dessanta's didn't

1954
01:31:46,479 --> 01:31:49,519
Speaker 5: do that. Dsanda's really reformed education. It wasn't just about

1955
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Speaker 5: black and school choice and don't worry about it and whatever.

1956
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Speaker 3: He got into the policy weeds. I did.

1957
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Speaker 5: I do my school board elections. I have done over

1958
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Speaker 5: three hundred nationwide. The only two elected officials have ever

1959
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Speaker 5: called me to ask me about it, and one was

1960
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Speaker 5: de sand As.

1961
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Speaker 3: He was the first one.

1962
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Speaker 5: So he really does care about process and in depth

1963
01:32:06,520 --> 01:32:08,960
Speaker 5: things and he does not have to go as far

1964
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Speaker 5: as he has. When did we ever think, as in

1965
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Speaker 5: the two thousands, that Florida would be considered the free

1966
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Speaker 5: state in Texas would end?

1967
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Speaker 3: Yeah? That I think that's a.

1968
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Speaker 5: Massive change under one person's administration, only one person.

1969
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Speaker 2: That's round to say, Sam, I want to actually give

1970
01:32:22,120 --> 01:32:23,960
Speaker 2: you a similar version of that, which is with Trump.

1971
01:32:24,000 --> 01:32:26,599
Speaker 2: You know, like you said, we've all had experience with Trump.

1972
01:32:26,640 --> 01:32:29,519
Speaker 2: We've watched him change his mind constantly, both on the

1973
01:32:29,600 --> 01:32:33,960
Speaker 2: chorus issues to Republicans from like reagnite Republicans, but also

1974
01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:36,800
Speaker 2: even on trade, on many of these immigration, any of

1975
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Speaker 2: these issues, amnesty. Considering that, why do you have confidence

1976
01:32:39,720 --> 01:32:42,519
Speaker 2: that this man will actually do even some of what

1977
01:32:42,560 --> 01:32:44,120
Speaker 2: you want him to do when he's in office when

1978
01:32:44,120 --> 01:32:46,360
Speaker 2: we already had four years. We didn't accomplish much of it.

1979
01:32:46,360 --> 01:32:48,400
Speaker 2: It wasn't just staff. Much of it was also up

1980
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Speaker 2: to him personally.

1981
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Speaker 6: I think on trade in particular. In particular, it was

1982
01:32:53,120 --> 01:32:55,800
Speaker 6: one of the more consistent aspects. I think that's really

1983
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Speaker 6: his strong suit is the economic populism, and that's part

1984
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Speaker 6: of the reason why so many working class Americans are

1985
01:33:02,040 --> 01:33:05,919
Speaker 6: hopeful because of him. He actually represents, at least culturally,

1986
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Speaker 6: what they need, what they yearn for. You know, there

1987
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Speaker 6: is no obviously no guarantee in anything in politics. I'm

1988
01:33:12,040 --> 01:33:13,920
Speaker 6: not going to bet the house on anything, Yeah, but

1989
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Speaker 6: I think there is. That is his strength is going

1990
01:33:18,320 --> 01:33:22,759
Speaker 6: to war for the economic populism. We got the USMC

1991
01:33:22,920 --> 01:33:26,360
Speaker 6: trade deal out of him, and that renegotiated NAFTA, which

1992
01:33:26,520 --> 01:33:29,240
Speaker 6: gutted the Midwest. I think that's a major reason to

1993
01:33:29,280 --> 01:33:31,520
Speaker 6: be optimistic for a future Trump administration.

1994
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Speaker 1: All right, let's turn to the politics and control erm

1995
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Speaker 1: I actually want to start with.

1996
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Speaker 4: I think it's the third.

1997
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Speaker 1: Element showing Trump's losses in the midterms and how his

1998
01:33:40,479 --> 01:33:44,240
Speaker 1: candidates struggled, because for any of this to matter, your

1999
01:33:44,240 --> 01:33:46,599
Speaker 1: guys got to be able to win an election. And

2000
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Speaker 1: one of the cases that the Desantist team is trying

2001
01:33:49,000 --> 01:33:51,680
Speaker 1: to make is like, well, listen, we are the We

2002
01:33:51,760 --> 01:33:55,599
Speaker 1: don't have all of this ingrained hatred of more than

2003
01:33:55,600 --> 01:33:58,400
Speaker 1: half the country against us. We think we could win

2004
01:33:58,479 --> 01:34:00,400
Speaker 1: back some of the suburban voters or who whoever it

2005
01:34:00,439 --> 01:34:02,200
Speaker 1: is that we want back in the coalition, so we

2006
01:34:02,280 --> 01:34:04,719
Speaker 1: are a better bet for the fall. And in fact,

2007
01:34:04,720 --> 01:34:07,639
Speaker 1: there is some evidence of that, given the fact that

2008
01:34:07,800 --> 01:34:11,240
Speaker 1: in the midterms, the Trump bat candidates performed very poorly.

2009
01:34:11,560 --> 01:34:13,080
Speaker 4: The candidates who were you know.

2010
01:34:13,040 --> 01:34:15,600
Speaker 1: The most in un stop the steal that appeared to

2011
01:34:15,640 --> 01:34:19,000
Speaker 1: be a real albatross. And on the other hand, Ron

2012
01:34:19,000 --> 01:34:21,880
Speaker 1: DeSantis one in Florida, which not so long ago was

2013
01:34:21,920 --> 01:34:24,679
Speaker 1: a swing state, and he won really easily, and actually

2014
01:34:24,720 --> 01:34:27,680
Speaker 1: all Florida Republicans did quite well. It was quite a

2015
01:34:27,680 --> 01:34:30,920
Speaker 1: standout as opposed to the rest of the country. So

2016
01:34:31,000 --> 01:34:33,759
Speaker 1: what makes you think that your guy, as he's facing

2017
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Speaker 1: multiple indictments and all of this other chaos that constantly

2018
01:34:36,720 --> 01:34:38,439
Speaker 1: swirls around him and makes a whole lot of people

2019
01:34:38,479 --> 01:34:40,439
Speaker 1: hate him, what makes you think he could even make

2020
01:34:40,439 --> 01:34:41,280
Speaker 1: it back to the White House.

2021
01:34:42,520 --> 01:34:44,720
Speaker 6: Well, I mean, the midterms were very disappointing. I don't

2022
01:34:44,720 --> 01:34:48,120
Speaker 6: think anybody would deny that. I don't think it's necessarily

2023
01:34:48,160 --> 01:34:50,920
Speaker 6: because of Trump himself. I think a lot of it

2024
01:34:50,960 --> 01:34:53,200
Speaker 6: is the political environment we were in. You know, you

2025
01:34:53,200 --> 01:34:56,160
Speaker 6: did have people who campaigned way too heavily on stop

2026
01:34:56,240 --> 01:34:58,680
Speaker 6: the steal, on it was stolen, things like that, And

2027
01:34:58,920 --> 01:35:01,479
Speaker 6: I do think Trump through punches he shouldn't have thrown

2028
01:35:01,560 --> 01:35:05,559
Speaker 6: like I think it was Dan Boddock in Uh I'm sure, yes,

2029
01:35:05,600 --> 01:35:09,400
Speaker 6: thank you. That was a fight that was totally unnecessary.

2030
01:35:10,160 --> 01:35:14,240
Speaker 6: But you know, that's just how things shook out. In

2031
01:35:14,280 --> 01:35:17,360
Speaker 6: the case of Arizona, you know, there was their funding

2032
01:35:17,360 --> 01:35:20,439
Speaker 6: issues in general, campaigning issues in Michigan, there was the

2033
01:35:20,720 --> 01:35:23,680
Speaker 6: abortion ballot referendum that really boosted Gretchen Whitmer and hurt

2034
01:35:23,680 --> 01:35:25,800
Speaker 6: Tutor Dixon. Yeah, and then there were just you know,

2035
01:35:25,880 --> 01:35:27,920
Speaker 6: quirky personalities on ballots across the country.

2036
01:35:29,439 --> 01:35:31,760
Speaker 4: I think.

2037
01:35:32,720 --> 01:35:35,240
Speaker 6: A little too many memes on the official campaign pages.

2038
01:35:35,280 --> 01:35:42,360
Speaker 6: But I think the culture is a big driver for Trump.

2039
01:35:43,040 --> 01:35:46,639
Speaker 6: I think people are increasingly less motivated by actual nuanced

2040
01:35:46,640 --> 01:35:50,679
Speaker 6: political issues. I think they're more motivated by by vibes.

2041
01:35:51,600 --> 01:35:53,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I actually agree.

2042
01:35:53,360 --> 01:35:55,519
Speaker 6: There's a reason why he got a boost after the indictment,

2043
01:35:55,840 --> 01:35:57,320
Speaker 6: after every single negative news.

2044
01:35:57,240 --> 01:36:01,599
Speaker 1: Cycle boost the Republican primary, which general electorate.

2045
01:36:01,680 --> 01:36:03,600
Speaker 4: It's I think a very very different.

2046
01:36:03,320 --> 01:36:05,280
Speaker 2: Deal, right, yeah, right, And I see you want to

2047
01:36:05,280 --> 01:36:07,080
Speaker 2: tell me about the question. I don't know, Okay, it

2048
01:36:07,120 --> 01:36:09,280
Speaker 2: was just it was just I think on the Desantas

2049
01:36:09,320 --> 01:36:12,160
Speaker 2: front is I do think that his strongest case, at

2050
01:36:12,240 --> 01:36:13,240
Speaker 2: least somebody like me.

2051
01:36:13,280 --> 01:36:14,600
Speaker 3: He's like, I'm a winner. You think you can call

2052
01:36:14,680 --> 01:36:16,960
Speaker 3: me whatever you want. But as you just said, he

2053
01:36:17,040 --> 01:36:20,600
Speaker 3: won Florida by twenty points. That's insane. Like within he

2054
01:36:20,640 --> 01:36:21,840
Speaker 3: won Florida by twenty points.

2055
01:36:21,880 --> 01:36:25,520
Speaker 5: He is never, in his entire political career ever underperformed

2056
01:36:25,520 --> 01:36:28,080
Speaker 5: an election cycle. So when the state, when the nation

2057
01:36:28,200 --> 01:36:31,080
Speaker 5: was a D plus way year in t eighteen, he

2058
01:36:31,120 --> 01:36:33,639
Speaker 5: won by less than one all right. In his congressional runs,

2059
01:36:33,680 --> 01:36:35,200
Speaker 5: he always outperformed the nation.

2060
01:36:35,479 --> 01:36:37,120
Speaker 4: So let's talk to you about the primary.

2061
01:36:37,160 --> 01:36:38,640
Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and put the poll up on the

2062
01:36:38,640 --> 01:36:40,360
Speaker 1: screen of where things stand today.

2063
01:36:40,400 --> 01:36:43,519
Speaker 4: That's the first element. Donald Trump at fifty nine.

2064
01:36:43,360 --> 01:36:46,600
Speaker 1: Percent, and this is with the broader field, but it

2065
01:36:46,760 --> 01:36:49,160
Speaker 1: you know, still has him up over fifty percent. Ron

2066
01:36:49,200 --> 01:36:52,719
Speaker 1: de Santis at nineteen percent according to Morning consult Listen

2067
01:36:52,760 --> 01:36:54,960
Speaker 1: the polls, you know, they're take them with the grain

2068
01:36:55,000 --> 01:36:58,559
Speaker 1: of salt, but consistently the polls show Trump at this

2069
01:36:58,680 --> 01:37:01,679
Speaker 1: point with quite a sizeable lead. In fact, the polling

2070
01:37:01,760 --> 01:37:04,840
Speaker 1: looks pretty close to Biden versus RFK Junior at this

2071
01:37:04,880 --> 01:37:10,160
Speaker 1: point in terms of where Ron DeSantis stands. So one

2072
01:37:10,200 --> 01:37:12,960
Speaker 1: of the things we've talked about here is when Trump

2073
01:37:13,000 --> 01:37:15,800
Speaker 1: gets indicted, as Sam just pointed out, it really seems

2074
01:37:15,840 --> 01:37:19,160
Speaker 1: to harden and coalesce Republican Party around him. You know,

2075
01:37:19,160 --> 01:37:21,320
Speaker 1: they see him as under threat, they want to rally

2076
01:37:21,360 --> 01:37:24,720
Speaker 1: to his side. Sucks up all the media oxygen. DeSantis

2077
01:37:24,760 --> 01:37:27,439
Speaker 1: is put in impossible position of basically having to like,

2078
01:37:27,680 --> 01:37:29,439
Speaker 1: you know, bend the need to him on the indictment

2079
01:37:29,479 --> 01:37:32,559
Speaker 1: stuff and make it even more about him. So how

2080
01:37:32,640 --> 01:37:36,920
Speaker 1: do you actually win over the Republican Party and convince

2081
01:37:37,000 --> 01:37:40,639
Speaker 1: the base that they should want to move on from

2082
01:37:40,680 --> 01:37:42,639
Speaker 1: someone who they still really love and admire.

2083
01:37:42,880 --> 01:37:46,800
Speaker 5: Well, the polls show that Desanta's is not negatively viewed.

2084
01:37:46,800 --> 01:37:49,960
Speaker 5: He's very favorite with you, and he as everyone's second choice.

2085
01:37:50,960 --> 01:37:54,040
Speaker 5: I think that the electorate on both sides of the

2086
01:37:54,040 --> 01:37:58,400
Speaker 5: aisle is very reactionary. They love who the media tells

2087
01:37:58,400 --> 01:38:01,400
Speaker 5: them to hate and it is They're not telling them

2088
01:38:01,400 --> 01:38:03,680
Speaker 5: to hate dissantas anymore, and that I think part of it.

2089
01:38:03,720 --> 01:38:07,320
Speaker 5: And also time has healed the wounds of Trump's losing

2090
01:38:07,520 --> 01:38:10,400
Speaker 5: in twenty twenty two so badly. Yeah, people have just

2091
01:38:10,479 --> 01:38:11,240
Speaker 5: kind of forgotten.

2092
01:38:11,280 --> 01:38:11,839
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.

2093
01:38:11,920 --> 01:38:14,680
Speaker 5: He nominated that insane man in Pennsylvania who said we

2094
01:38:14,680 --> 01:38:17,599
Speaker 5: should imprison women who want to get abortions and kick

2095
01:38:17,640 --> 01:38:20,360
Speaker 5: everyone off the voting rolls. That was the land was like,

2096
01:38:20,479 --> 01:38:23,160
Speaker 5: We're going to clear the whole voter rolls, and wed

2097
01:38:23,240 --> 01:38:27,920
Speaker 5: that crazy lady who vacuumed for him in Arizona as leadership.

2098
01:38:27,960 --> 01:38:30,720
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, I like, I mean, I didn't even see

2099
01:38:30,840 --> 01:38:31,840
Speaker 1: Carrie like vacuumed for.

2100
01:38:32,320 --> 01:38:37,160
Speaker 5: Before he walked on. She personally vacuumed. Oh, it's just

2101
01:38:37,320 --> 01:38:40,000
Speaker 5: and he just nominated the Wisconsin guy who was like

2102
01:38:40,080 --> 01:38:43,080
Speaker 5: drooling from the mouth and the lady. The lady ran

2103
01:38:43,120 --> 01:38:45,120
Speaker 5: for Secretary of State of Alabama who's now running this

2104
01:38:45,400 --> 01:38:48,240
Speaker 5: Michigan brother who's now running the state party, and she's

2105
01:38:48,240 --> 01:38:51,439
Speaker 5: completely insane, and yeah, the is all everyone's forgotten, like,

2106
01:38:51,439 --> 01:38:53,000
Speaker 5: oh yeah, he lost and he lost bad, and he

2107
01:38:53,000 --> 01:38:56,320
Speaker 5: lost all these people and every state that he lost

2108
01:38:56,360 --> 01:38:58,920
Speaker 5: in twenty twenty, all of his canisl loss, with the

2109
01:38:58,960 --> 01:39:01,439
Speaker 5: exception of the Lieutenant Gonor of Georgia.

2110
01:39:01,040 --> 01:39:03,479
Speaker 3: Herschel Walker didn't even want to run for office. Yeah,

2111
01:39:03,520 --> 01:39:05,639
Speaker 3: he was like, yeah, I'll do it. I guess.

2112
01:39:05,720 --> 01:39:07,840
Speaker 5: I mean, I got nothing going on a Wednesday. That's

2113
01:39:07,960 --> 01:39:11,200
Speaker 5: literally the team that he assembled. So I think that

2114
01:39:11,600 --> 01:39:15,160
Speaker 5: you have to. I think Desanta's should be taking more

2115
01:39:15,240 --> 01:39:16,360
Speaker 5: adversary interviews.

2116
01:39:16,560 --> 01:39:20,240
Speaker 1: How would you I think he has to because he has.

2117
01:39:20,120 --> 01:39:20,759
Speaker 4: To take risks.

2118
01:39:20,840 --> 01:39:23,080
Speaker 1: Yes, what do you think of like how he's handled

2119
01:39:23,120 --> 01:39:26,759
Speaker 1: the indict How would you advise him to handle these indictments?

2120
01:39:26,800 --> 01:39:28,760
Speaker 1: Because I do think it creates sort of an impossible

2121
01:39:28,800 --> 01:39:31,799
Speaker 1: situation for them because so much of the media focus

2122
01:39:31,840 --> 01:39:34,120
Speaker 1: is on it. It does I agree with you the

2123
01:39:34,120 --> 01:39:36,439
Speaker 1: base response to like, the media hates this guy, so

2124
01:39:36,520 --> 01:39:39,200
Speaker 1: we love him, and you know, not only does it

2125
01:39:39,240 --> 01:39:41,719
Speaker 1: suck up the oxygen, but if you're trying to defeat

2126
01:39:41,760 --> 01:39:44,080
Speaker 1: this person. But you're spending a lot of time having

2127
01:39:44,120 --> 01:39:46,479
Speaker 1: to bolster what they're the arguments that they're making.

2128
01:39:46,600 --> 01:39:47,360
Speaker 4: How do you get out of that?

2129
01:39:47,400 --> 01:39:47,639
Speaker 6: Bubby?

2130
01:39:47,760 --> 01:39:50,440
Speaker 5: I think the problem with the end, well, this indictment,

2131
01:39:50,439 --> 01:39:51,960
Speaker 5: the one in Florida is much of the one in

2132
01:39:52,040 --> 01:39:54,120
Speaker 5: New York. The New York one is a complete nonsense joke,

2133
01:39:54,160 --> 01:39:55,200
Speaker 5: but the one in Florida is.

2134
01:39:55,200 --> 01:39:56,840
Speaker 4: Very it's more progressed.

2135
01:39:56,880 --> 01:39:58,960
Speaker 5: Sixty sixty two and thirty thirty four of the indictment

2136
01:39:59,000 --> 01:40:00,639
Speaker 5: is literally I don't know how he's going to get.

2137
01:40:00,520 --> 01:40:01,000
Speaker 3: Out of it.

2138
01:40:01,040 --> 01:40:04,920
Speaker 5: But I think that having said that, I think that

2139
01:40:05,040 --> 01:40:07,120
Speaker 5: the one thing you said people are mad at the

2140
01:40:07,120 --> 01:40:09,600
Speaker 5: indictment not because they think Trump is a you know,

2141
01:40:09,680 --> 01:40:12,479
Speaker 5: a boy scout and he's so honorable and wouldn't do

2142
01:40:12,600 --> 01:40:15,559
Speaker 5: with this. It's that why isn't Hillary Clinton in jail?

2143
01:40:16,080 --> 01:40:19,200
Speaker 5: That's what frustrates them. I mean, just Sandon should sit

2144
01:40:19,200 --> 01:40:24,280
Speaker 5: there inside. Would press the intelligence. I'm intelligent, my FBI

2145
01:40:24,560 --> 01:40:28,880
Speaker 5: and my YEAH and my DOJ to reinvestigate Hillary Clinton

2146
01:40:29,120 --> 01:40:32,920
Speaker 5: breaking up information with hammers and also looking into Joe

2147
01:40:32,920 --> 01:40:36,639
Speaker 5: and Hunter Biden. If there was an equal level of justice,

2148
01:40:36,640 --> 01:40:38,160
Speaker 5: people would not be this upset.

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Speaker 2: I think you're right, Ryan, So let's talk though, sam

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Speaker 2: My last thing on politics of it.

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Speaker 3: The indictment is a problem.

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Speaker 2: As Ryan said, I mean you lay it out and look,

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Speaker 2: both of us were very critical of the Manhattan indictment

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Speaker 2: looking at all this being like, listen, this is bs,

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Speaker 2: especially when you compare it to Florida and with the

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Speaker 2: classified documents case in the general election. We have to

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Speaker 2: admit there is still a lot of faith and you know,

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Speaker 2: the rule of law, and you know when somebody's indeted,

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Speaker 2: they're like, oh my gosh, you know, an alleged felon

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Speaker 2: all this, how can Trump politically get past this specter?

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Speaker 2: As we appointed previously, it's about movement, It shouldn't be

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Speaker 2: about him, but almost all of the coverage is about

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Speaker 2: him and his personal issues. How does he get past

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Speaker 2: that to a general election to the suburban voters who

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Speaker 2: he actually lost in twenty twenty and were ultimately the

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Speaker 2: reason why he lost the election.

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Speaker 6: I think it's going to rely on altern of the media. Brankly,

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Speaker 6: I think it's going to rely on the Internet because

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Speaker 6: obviously corporate media isn't going to cover it. It's not

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Speaker 6: gonna You're not going to hear anything about you know,

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Speaker 6: actual policy from CNN or MSNBCN.

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Speaker 2: No arguments, but they exist, right, and a lot of people,

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Speaker 2: a lot of Boomers specifically, watch and those are the

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Speaker 2: people who vote. And so you know for those people,

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Speaker 2: you know, the people who I forget what the district

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Speaker 2: is called, the things like Omaha Nebraska two or something

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Speaker 2: like that, which Trump ended up losing in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: I mean, these were big stunarts because these were people

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Speaker 2: who otherwise were also voting for republic or like Mitt

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Speaker 2: Romney type Republicans who were willing to vote and cross

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Speaker 2: for Biden for the first time in their lives.

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Speaker 3: Those people, they get pissed off from that. I just

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Speaker 3: say one things.

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Speaker 5: From twenty ten to twenty sixteen, Republicans won the independent

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Speaker 5: vote in every single election, and they have not won.

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Speaker 5: Instance twenty sixteen, part of the reason Trump won was

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Speaker 5: because America truly hated Hillary Clinton. Yes, and we have

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Speaker 5: to just admit that that is part of it. They

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Speaker 5: do not hate Biden the same. They think that he's

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Speaker 5: too old, they think that he is too inefficient, they

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Speaker 5: think that he is probably senile, and they have absolutely

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Speaker 5: no love for Kamala Harris at all. She is you know,

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Speaker 5: black Asian Hillary, So that.

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Speaker 2: Is she's not anyway, we don't accept her daily week

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Speaker 2: she's black raging.

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Speaker 5: So she's Black Asian Hillary, and that is problematic. And

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Speaker 5: if the election is about Joe Biden, he is not

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Speaker 5: going to win reelection. The only person who could take

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Speaker 5: the attention away from Joe Biden is Donald Trump.

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Speaker 6: I think kind of circle back a little bit. I

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Speaker 6: think a way for Desantist to major ly boot himself

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Speaker 6: in the polls would be to, you know, offer a

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Speaker 6: hypothetical pardon should Trump end up.

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Speaker 5: He's already done that. Yeah, he said I will pardon

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Speaker 5: Trump from this. And I mean, if we're going to

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Speaker 5: give everyone the Richard Nixon status quo and say every

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Speaker 5: president is not going to go to jail, we're not

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Speaker 5: going to be like other countries even first of all

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Speaker 5: countries where prisions go to jail, right, then that's then

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Speaker 5: that's the standard. Then everyone just that's just cause we

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Speaker 5: get out of jump free card.

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Speaker 3: We don't.

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Speaker 6: We haven't seen, at least I don't believe we've seen

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Speaker 6: the ceiling of DeSantis is pulling. It's still very early

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Speaker 6: on and uh, you know this this morning, Consopt Consopt

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Speaker 6: consult jeez. Uh so this was near the bottom of

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Speaker 6: where he was pulling since it started tracking. Yea, So

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Speaker 6: the ceiling I think is far from being reached and

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Speaker 6: it's still very early on, so interesting to see what happens.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think that's fair and this kind of gets

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Speaker 2: ran in my last question to you, can we throw

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Speaker 2: the second element up there, guys, please on the screen

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Speaker 2: where they were talking about how whether DeSantis is the

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Speaker 2: Wine Track candidate or not?

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Speaker 3: What they get to here?

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Speaker 2: And it's actually an intelligent point, Ryan is it's so

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Speaker 2: far the vast majority of DeSantis support, or really of

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Speaker 2: non Trump support, generally comes from college educated Republicans who

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Speaker 2: are much more likely to vote for Romney. So, as

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Speaker 2: someone who has worked on the side of wanting to

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Speaker 2: push the Republican Party in a more working class direction,

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Speaker 2: you don't work for the Chances campaign, what would your advice.

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Speaker 3: To them be? How do they make sure that they

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Speaker 3: don't have a one time I would say, we're not

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Speaker 3: talking about Florida so much. Interesting. I'm so tired of

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Speaker 3: hearing at Florida.

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Speaker 5: Really a Florida I don't want to most if I

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Speaker 5: was going to move there. It's a great tourism, to

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Speaker 5: sit there and say how free Florida is, how DEI

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Speaker 5: is dyeing Florida, whatever is is. I need a big

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Speaker 5: national vision. It wasn't in his book, it wasn't in

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Speaker 5: his campaign thus far. You need to sit there and

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Speaker 5: say what are you going to do. You can't plant

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Speaker 5: palm trees in Michigan, that's just not possibility. So what

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Speaker 5: are you going to do for the rest of the

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Speaker 5: country that doesn't want to live in Florida? The other

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Speaker 5: forty nine states that has not been articulated that as well,

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Speaker 5: And that vision has to include the fact that certain

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Speaker 5: things have happened in the last eight years, including a

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Speaker 5: Trump's president in four years, a violent crime up third

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Speaker 5: for thirty years highs, and all deaths up thirty years highs.

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Speaker 5: The cartel is still not being taken care of, the

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Speaker 5: wall was never built, all these big things.

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Speaker 3: That are really part of both.

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Speaker 5: I mean, even Biden has now taken up a lot

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Speaker 5: of you know, Trump stuff, which is like infrastructure whatever,

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Speaker 5: But a lot of those jobs they're not going back

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Speaker 5: to those places in eastern Ohio or western Pennsylvania or

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Speaker 5: northern Michigan. Those towns are still decaying. They're going to

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Speaker 5: you know, Atlanta, you know exactly, So it's gotta be

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Speaker 5: some place something diffite like that.

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Speaker 1: And Sam, similar question to you to close things out here.

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Speaker 1: You know, if you were to give advice to the

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Speaker 1: Trump campaign about you know, they're they're in a pretty

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Speaker 1: strong position in terms of the primary, but how do

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Speaker 1: you take the edge off for a general election so

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Speaker 1: that you got a shot at winning the electoral college

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Speaker 1: at least ideally winning the popular vote when you have

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Speaker 1: emotions so hardened against him.

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Speaker 6: Kind Of like what Ryan said, I think focusing on

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Speaker 6: a national vision is imperative. You know, there's the agenda

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Speaker 6: forty seven videos that he's been putting out that I

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Speaker 6: think are pretty fascinating. They're pretty optimistic. Some of the

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Speaker 6: things like flying cars, I don't think are quite achievable

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Speaker 6: per se, But I think there's a lot of reason

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Speaker 6: for hope in those videos. He was painting a vision

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Speaker 6: for restoration, for renewal. I think giving people a reason

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Speaker 6: to hope is part of the part of Trump's major appeal. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: like you said, it's vibes necessarily, not policy nuance, and

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Speaker 6: that's part of the reason why he was such a

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Speaker 6: attractive alternative to Hillary in twenty sixteen, and I think

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Speaker 6: continuing to juxtapose himself to decay, to such aggressive decay

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Speaker 6: and presenting himself, as you know, the golden Tower of

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Speaker 6: renewal hopefully not a Tower of battle, would be a

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Speaker 6: great opportunity to do so.

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Speaker 3: Okay, well, guys, we really appreciate you join us.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thanks for your super appreciative to both of

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Speaker 1: you guys for coming in, and really appreciate both your contributions.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, welcome back on the show any time, and I

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Speaker 2: think the audience enjoyed the panel return. All right, that

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Speaker 2: is it for us today here on Breaking Points. I

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