1 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:09,879 Speaker 1: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. 2 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 2: What is up, Drake Fire Fayan, It's me Jason McIntyre, 3 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 2: Straight Boyer for Thursday sip Demmr twenty fith got a 4 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 2: great guest on today's podcast, Bounce It Back to the 5 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:26,599 Speaker 2: NFL Shale Capatia. He moved from the Athletic over to 6 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 2: the Ringer. He's podcasting there. He's got some interesting insights 7 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 2: on the league. We talk gambling. He is an Eagles guy. 8 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:35,520 Speaker 2: I you know, I know the Eagles are flying high. 9 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:39,639 Speaker 2: Ha ha three to zero. I've got some concerns. I mean, 10 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 2: if you want to really drill down and look at 11 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 2: Saquon Barkley, what he's done, it's like three yards in 12 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 2: a clotter of dust. And he addresses some of the 13 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 2: offensive line issues. But this defense is like really historically great. 14 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:53,199 Speaker 2: So we talk a little. We cover many of the 15 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 2: games for what should be a good week for in 16 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 2: the NFL. Obviously, you know there is one game better 17 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 2: than all Oh, we get the Dublin game to start Sunday. 18 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 2: Eagles Bucks is a battle of two three and zero teams. 19 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 2: I think Colts Rams could be a sneaky good game. Oh, 20 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 2: the Marquee game obviously Ravens Chiefs at that's the afternoon 21 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 2: slate over on CBS. The loser of that one's kind 22 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 2: of up Shit's Creek. And then a Sunday Night football 23 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 2: Packers Cowboys. Oh listen, I'm not gonna lie, guys. I 24 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 2: loaded up, loaded up on the Packers, and I'm ready 25 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 2: to get kicked in the teeth. Two games Monday night. 26 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:36,400 Speaker 2: But the quarterbacks are possibly Tyrod Taylor definitely to uh, 27 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 2: Jake Browning and Boonix Bonicks, the lowest graded quarterback in 28 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 2: the league according to Pro Football Focus. At any rate, 29 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 2: our guest to Cheekpati. 30 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 3: He's great, real quick. 31 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 2: I don't have any money yet. On Seattle Arizona. The 32 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 2: line has flipped opened Arizona minus one, one and a half. 33 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 2: And then I don't know whether it was the James 34 00:01:55,440 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 2: Connor injury, whether it was you know, the market and 35 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 2: public better is gravitating towards Seattle after the smashing Spencer Rattler, 36 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:08,639 Speaker 2: but now Seattle is favored by one and a half 37 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 2: on the road. I don't think you could take too 38 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 2: much from Thursday night football unless it's a first time 39 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 2: coach situation. Right, So if you look at the games 40 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 2: the underdog covered in the opener. Then you had green 41 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:27,359 Speaker 2: Bay pretty handily takedown Washington game that was really never 42 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 2: in doubt, and then last week you had Miami hang 43 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 2: around in a divisional matchup. And these divisional matchups are 44 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:36,639 Speaker 2: always close. But under three, I don't know that there's 45 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 2: anything here. I would kind of sort of lean to 46 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 2: the under forty three and a half. But I don't know. 47 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 2: Is the Arizona defense that good. They showed out against 48 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 2: San Francisco last week in holding them to fifteen points, 49 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:52,639 Speaker 2: but it was Mac Jones. You know he's a backup, 50 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 2: and I know Sam Darnold doesn't terrify anyone. Last year, 51 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:04,519 Speaker 2: these two teams played in November teen six, okay, sixteen 52 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 2: six Seattle. Then they played again and Seattle won thirty 53 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 2: to eighteen in kind of a wacky game. 54 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 4: There were. 55 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 2: What happened in that one. I'm just glancing at the 56 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 2: box score. Yeah, Arizona had a couple bad turnovers. Kyler Murray, 57 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:24,239 Speaker 2: by the way, Kyler Murray played two games against Seattle 58 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 2: last year and was, as the kids like to say, cheeks. 59 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 2: He had two of his worst games of the season. 60 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 2: I mean, they just put Zach Sharbinig in the backfield 61 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:33,920 Speaker 2: last year and he went for one hundred and thirty 62 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 2: four yards in another meeting. So I would look under, 63 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 2: and if you asked me for a side, I gotta 64 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 2: go Seattle again. I don't think they need to do 65 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 2: much given the spectacular defense that they have. And I 66 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 2: mean I got Trey Benson in fantasy because I handcuffed 67 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 2: what's his connor who's out for the season. But I 68 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 2: think the Seattle d you know, they're getting pressure without blitzing, 69 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 2: and that means you're able to load up on Trey McBride. 70 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 2: I think it's a good matchup for Julian Love. Trey 71 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 2: McBride an eleaked tight end, but love the kid out 72 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 2: of Notre Dame. He's really good. The corners are good. 73 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:10,839 Speaker 2: I don't think you gotta worry. I mean, I think 74 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 2: you can kind of sort of spy Kyler Murray and 75 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 2: and uh, you know, I don't know that Trey Benson 76 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 2: terrifies him in the run game. He's good. But I 77 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 2: would lean Seattle, but I think the under is probably 78 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 2: my best play. All right, without further ado, let's get 79 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 2: to our guest, Shale Capatia of the Ringer. 80 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 81 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at Foxsports Radio 82 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to 83 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:45,119 Speaker 1: listen live. You know, Jason likes to think he knows 84 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 1: everything when it comes to sports. 85 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 2: I know what sports fans want. 86 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: But for everything he doesn't. He knows a guy who does. 87 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 2: Let's just say, I know a guy who knows the 88 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:58,839 Speaker 2: guy who knows another guy. All right, let's welcome back 89 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:01,159 Speaker 2: to straight fire, familiar face. Man. He's one of the 90 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 2: great NFL podcasters out there. He wasn't the athletic. He's 91 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 2: now at the Ringer Shale, capatis Shale. How you doing, Man? 92 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 3: Doing well? Man? Good to see, Uh, yeah, it's you know. 93 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 2: I wish we were talking on better terms. I'm coming 94 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 2: off a week where I just got obliterated with picks. 95 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:18,919 Speaker 2: I thought the Titans would bounce back. I was on 96 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 2: a lot of oho and two teams to bounce back, 97 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 2: and it just didn't happen. We're starting to see kind 98 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:26,600 Speaker 2: of a hollowing of the middle class. But I don't 99 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 2: even know if the upper tier teams have good I'm 100 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 2: just curious your thoughts macro around the league after three 101 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 2: weeks where we've seen some chaos. 102 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's always tough for early in this season, those 103 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:38,280 Speaker 4: first two or three weeks. You try not to take 104 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 4: a beating with your with your picks there. You're trying 105 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 4: to figure some stuff out. You're trying not to move 106 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:45,919 Speaker 4: off of a lot of your preseason predictions. 107 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:49,160 Speaker 3: But you know, I think, for the most part, the teams. 108 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 4: That I thought could compete or win the Super Bowl 109 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 4: before the season, those six to eight teams Baltimore, KC, 110 00:05:56,320 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 4: Buffalo in the AFC, and then in the NFC Detroit, Bay, Philadelphia. 111 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 4: We could maybe throw a couple other teams in there. 112 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 3: I think those teams are still there. 113 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 4: You know, they haven't all had great starts, but I 114 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 4: feel like it's still early. Remind myself that there's a 115 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 4: lot of football to be played, and those are the 116 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 4: teams that still have those high ceilings. 117 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 2: I want to start with the Indianapolis Colts. And I 118 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:18,840 Speaker 2: know I'm doing that because nobody's asking you about the Colts. 119 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 2: I'm sure. Initially I was like, Okay, this is a 120 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 2: fun story. I've lost money on them. The last two weeks. 121 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 2: I had the Broncos. I'll stand by the Broncos should 122 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 2: have won that game. And then I had the Titans, 123 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 2: and I'm like, not a believer. I saw some numbers 124 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:34,479 Speaker 2: about the Colts being not only just three and oh, 125 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:37,679 Speaker 2: but three and oh against the spread, a big scoring margin. 126 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 2: Historically teams to start like this, they're in the playoffs 127 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 2: eighteen of the last twenty two times that fit the 128 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 2: Colts profile. I did not see this coming. Daniel Jones 129 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 2: looks like a new quarterback. Your thoughts on the Colts. 130 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:52,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I was making fun of them all summer, 131 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 4: saying this organization doesn't know what they're doing. They're banking 132 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 4: on Daniel Jones. They paid him fourteen million dollars. The 133 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:01,719 Speaker 4: guy was a disaster with the Giants, and I gotta 134 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:02,359 Speaker 4: give him credit. 135 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 3: I'm with you. 136 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 4: I saw it in week one and I go, all right, 137 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 4: do it again. And then I saw it in week 138 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:08,159 Speaker 4: two and I go all right, do it again, and 139 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 4: they've done it three weeks in a row. Now it's 140 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:13,239 Speaker 4: three weeks. Let's see. Daniel Jones has had durability issues 141 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 4: in the past, but I think Shane Steichen has done 142 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 4: an awesome job scheming up that offense, catering it to 143 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 4: fit Daniel Jones's skill set, and they've been the best 144 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 4: offense in the NFL statistically, and I had them as 145 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 4: like a bottom five offense going into the season again, 146 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 4: just going on Daniel Jones's track record, So I want 147 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 4: to see more. But yeah, if you ask me right now, 148 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 4: do I think they're gonna make the playoffs? I think 149 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 4: I would say yes, give me the way that rest 150 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 4: of the division looks well. 151 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 3: Also, the Borough injury. 152 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 2: And listen, I know everybody loves the Chiefs. They could 153 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 2: be one in three after this week. And I don't 154 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 2: know about you, Schelle, I'm sick of this. Hey, just 155 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 2: wait wait until zavier' worthy gets back. We're gonna be fine, 156 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 2: like za if you're Worthy. Really, So, the AFC feels 157 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 2: even Baltimore is flawed defensively, I don't know about the AFC. 158 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 4: Man, Yeah, they're vulnerable. All these teams are vulnerable. The 159 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 4: Bills are the favorites to three and zero. They've got 160 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 4: the easiest schedule the rest of the way of any 161 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 4: team in the NFL, so they are in a nice 162 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 4: spot here to. 163 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 3: If they can just take care of business. 164 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 4: Now, there's a long way to go, But they're in 165 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 4: the driver's seat for the one seed. You know, the Chiefs. Still, 166 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 4: to me, it's like, I'm not gonna say they're gonna 167 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 4: win the Super Bowl. They are a flawed team. I 168 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 4: don't like watching their offense. I didn't like watching it 169 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 4: last year. I didn't think their offseason moves were really 170 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 4: gonna work out. 171 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 3: But they still have a high floor. 172 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:33,679 Speaker 4: Like I still they're gonna be in the yes mayor 173 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 4: the end in the playoffs, I would say yes. Do 174 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:37,079 Speaker 4: they have a chance to win the AFC West, I 175 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:39,319 Speaker 4: would say yes, like they've been in all these games. 176 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 4: They've been one score games that they're two losses against 177 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 4: the Chargers and the Eagles, who, by the way, both 178 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 4: look like pretty good teams right now. So I'm with you, 179 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 4: Xavier Worthy is not gonna save the day. But if 180 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 4: you say Rashi Rice Xavier Worthy rookie O lineman gets better, Like, 181 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 4: I'm not ruling out the possibility that we're in December 182 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 4: going all right, this happens every single freaking year with 183 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 4: the Chiefs, and they're right in the mix with these 184 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 4: other AFC teams. 185 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:06,559 Speaker 2: Well, it's funny eleven to zero in one score games 186 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 2: last year, and I believe they're zero to two already 187 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 2: this year. Sure, I know how that flips year to year. 188 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 2: Let me ask it feels like and I looked at 189 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 2: the quarterbacks. You know, sometimes you'll just look at the 190 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 2: quarterback stats. 191 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:17,200 Speaker 3: Every week. 192 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 2: We had like, I don't know, nine or ten quarterbacks 193 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 2: go for under two hundred yards this past week, and 194 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 2: there's some numbers that the offensive yards per game are down. 195 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 2: I don't know if it has to do with the 196 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 2: kickoffs or defenses have just caught up with these passing games. 197 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 2: Do you have any theories as to why the offenses 198 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 2: kind of don't look great early in the season. 199 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know specifically for this year, but this 200 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 4: has been sort of a two to three year long 201 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 4: trend where defenses are playing with two safeties back and 202 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 4: they're saying, let's make these offense, well, let's limit explosive 203 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 4: plays basically at all costs. So if you want to 204 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 4: run the ball, go ahead and run the ball. If 205 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 4: you want to complete passes underneath, go ahead and complete 206 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 4: passes underneath. But we're going to bank on the fact 207 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 4: that at some point in a nine or ten play drive, 208 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 4: most of you are not good enough to be flawless 209 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,839 Speaker 4: and avoid that penalty or avoid that sack, or avoid 210 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 4: that turnover or that drop pass. 211 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 3: So that's been a. 212 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 4: Defensive philosophy that's got to take it over the league. 213 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 4: I'm kind of annoyed by it. Honestly, it's like, this 214 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 4: is not fun to watch with Josh Allen. I mean 215 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 4: that game last week, his average pass. I forget how 216 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 4: far it went. But it's like, Josh Allen's one of 217 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:22,319 Speaker 4: the most talented quarterbacks we've ever seen. I would like 218 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:25,440 Speaker 4: to see him chuck the football downfield, but to his credit, 219 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 4: he's taking what the defense gives him. So yeah, I 220 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 4: think that's certainly part of it. But as the NFL, 221 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 4: everything's cyclical, you know, it'll go back and forth. We 222 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 4: might be having a conversation next year at this time saying, man, 223 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 4: the offenses are just chucking it downfield and offenses back baby. 224 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 3: So it's a small sample, so let's see what it 225 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:43,439 Speaker 3: looks like at the end of the year. 226 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:45,679 Speaker 2: All right, let me ask a couple specific teams. So 227 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 2: the Lions going Monday night football Island game and kind 228 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 2: of I thought they destroyed the Rats. It was up 229 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 2: and down the field for down conversions. 230 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 3: They were perfect. 231 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 2: They look like the better team. They're now laying ten 232 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 2: at home against the Browns, even though the Browns just 233 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 2: beat the Packers. But I don't know, I kind of 234 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 2: want to lay it with the Lions here. They're at home, 235 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 2: Cleveland off a big win, but it was kind of fugazi. 236 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:11,439 Speaker 2: Their touchdown drive was four yards and I think the 237 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 2: game when you feel go, they went like fifteen yards. 238 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 2: So they didn't do much and it almost feels like 239 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 2: the Lions maybe are not dropping off as much as 240 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 2: everybody thought. 241 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, that was the most impressive win by any team 242 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 4: this season in my opinion, the Lions on Monday night. 243 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 4: I mean, they looked incredible. 244 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 3: I'm with you. 245 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 4: There was nothing fluky about that. They looked like the 246 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:33,439 Speaker 4: better team. They it was a statement game. Everyone's talking 247 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 4: about how our coordinators left and we're not the same team. Well, look, 248 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 4: we are the same team and we're going to be 249 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 4: in the mix. 250 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 3: So tenpoint. 251 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 4: That's a stay away for me because Cleveland's defense, I 252 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:44,839 Speaker 4: think is legit. 253 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 3: Now. 254 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 4: The Browns have had some weird splits over the past 255 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:50,559 Speaker 4: few years here where they're much better defensively at home 256 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:53,200 Speaker 4: than they are on the road, So I'm with you. 257 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 4: If I had to pick a side, I would go 258 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 4: with Detroit because I think the Browns offense is not 259 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:59,719 Speaker 4: good and I feel like the Lions most weeks can 260 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:02,959 Speaker 4: score on anybody. But to me a number that big 261 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 4: against the defense that I do think has some talent. 262 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 3: I would probably stay away. 263 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:10,079 Speaker 2: This is an ugly one, but I'm gonna bring it 264 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 2: up because Ray Bowl is kind of off to a 265 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:14,439 Speaker 2: rocky start, and I know he's got to purge a 266 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 2: lot of the nonsense. They've been dumping recent draft picks 267 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 2: left and right. But the Patriots are somehow laying five 268 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 2: and a half the Patriots against the Panthers. Panthers coming 269 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 2: off their big win over the Falcons, I guess people 270 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 2: are seeing regression coming. I gotta be honest. I like 271 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 2: Drake may a lot. I don't know what's going on 272 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 2: with that team. They just make a lot of mental mistakes. 273 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 2: It feels like I. 274 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 4: Was thinking the same thing, like if if you didn't 275 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 4: know that Mike Rabel took over for Drowd Mayo, you'd 276 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 4: be like, oh man, this jiwd Mayo coach team. Honestly, 277 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 4: the way they're playing, I mean they're making a lot 278 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 4: of mistakes. They outplayed the Steelers last week, you know 279 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 4: that entire game, and if you look at a lot 280 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:52,680 Speaker 4: of the advanced numbers, they're pretty favorable on Drake May 281 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 4: just like down to down. 282 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 3: Is the offense working? 283 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:58,080 Speaker 4: Yes, the offense is working, but it doesn't matter if 284 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 4: you're turning the football over, if you're fumbled it. If 285 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 4: you're making kind of one or two plays each half, 286 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 4: that leaves you scratching your head. So I get the 287 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 4: number because the Panthers looked like the worst team in 288 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 4: the NFL through two weeks and then they played well 289 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 4: last week, so you don't know what to make of them. 290 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:17,440 Speaker 4: I do think the Patriots are the better team, and 291 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:19,560 Speaker 4: I do think they're gonna have one of these weeks 292 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 4: in the next two three weeks where it's like, Okay, 293 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 4: they avoided the mistakes and they actually are interesting. Maybe 294 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:27,680 Speaker 4: a sleeper wild card team in the AFC. 295 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting you say a wildcard team in the 296 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 2: AFC because the AFC feels down. I mean, jet stink, 297 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 2: dolphin stink. You go down the list, there's this. I 298 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 2: think six teams are above five hundred in the AFC. 299 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 3: Wow, is that what? 300 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. 301 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 4: Even coming into the season, it was I was looking 302 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 4: at the Patriots and Raiders, going, let's find a sleeper 303 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 4: here in the AFC to sneak in. 304 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 3: So Patriots should get Christian Gonzales backs soon in their 305 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 3: number one corner again. 306 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 4: And I have actually been encouraged with what I've seen 307 00:13:58,000 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 4: from them offensively so far. 308 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 2: This now, you never want to overreact, but sometimes you 309 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 2: get the underreact on the Rams. So no, I haven't 310 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 2: heard anybody say this. They beat the Texans, who are winless, right, 311 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 2: and then they beat the Titans, who are winless, and 312 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 2: then they gagged away a huge lead against the Eagles. 313 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 2: I how good are the Rams? Shall? 314 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 3: I think their offense is pretty good? 315 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 2: You know. 316 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 3: I just I do the Ringers Philly Special. 317 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 4: And so I watched the Eagles film every week, and 318 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 4: that Rams offense is schemed up like McVeigh is in 319 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 4: his bag as an offensive schemer right now. And Stafford 320 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 4: is not the same guy he was two years ago. 321 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 4: It's a lot of play action, but guys are getting open, 322 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 4: they're running the football well Stafford. You know, I feel 323 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 4: like no one busts to criticized Stafford. He missed some 324 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 4: throws on third down last week that could have flipped 325 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 4: that game. 326 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 3: And then what always makes me nervous about McVeigh and 327 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 3: you saw it rear ats ugly head. 328 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 4: Last week, is that his game management man, he is conservative. 329 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 3: He doesn't follow the analytics. He turtles. 330 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 4: I mean, he had four or five times in that 331 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 4: game he could have gone for it on a fourth 332 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 4: and two, on a fourth and three, he could have 333 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 4: gone for a touchdown at the end of the first half. 334 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 3: And it just kind of boggles my mind that a 335 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 3: guy was so good at the hard parts. 336 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 4: Of coaching and has that mentality like let's be a great, 337 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 4: then when it comes to making those decisions in game, 338 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 4: he's let's be conservative, and they start thinking about the 339 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 4: worst case scenario. So that makes me a little bit 340 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 4: nervous with the Rams, But I do see their ceiling. 341 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 4: I don't know that Stafford's gonna be able to do 342 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 4: it for seventeen games, but if you just said, like 343 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 4: this weekend, I think they could play with almost any 344 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 4: team in the NFL. 345 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 346 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at foxsports Radio 347 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to 348 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 1: listen live. 349 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 2: NFC is a little tougher because it feels like a 350 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 2: lot of teams are good. You know, Packers, obviously the Eagles. 351 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 2: Let me drill down on the Eagles with you, because 352 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 2: you are a Philly guy, you know them as well 353 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 2: as anybody. I'm just gonna skip over all the positive 354 00:15:56,560 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 2: stuff because we know that a few negatives. We'll start 355 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 2: with Saquon Barkley, who we knew he had a heavy 356 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 2: workload last year. I haven't seen the pop in the 357 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 2: juice that I saw last year. I think he's at 358 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 2: like three point three yards per carry. Your early thoughts 359 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 2: on Saquon and do they need to supplement him with 360 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 2: a little more Tank Bigsby or whoever. 361 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, I actually think it's been Their offensive line is 362 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 4: not as good as it was last year, and so 363 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 4: it goes back to that question, you know, running back 364 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 4: versus situation versus offensive line. Saquon Barkley last year looked 365 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 4: like a different guy than Saquon Barkley. With the Giants 366 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 4: and the interior of the Eagles offensive line, they're dealing 367 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 4: with some injuries. 368 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 3: I honestly, there haven't been. 369 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 4: A lot of plays where you go, oh, he had space, 370 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 4: and he didn't have the juice to create an explosive there. 371 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 4: It's kind of been the opposite where it's like there's 372 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 4: not a lot there, and you know, he turns kind 373 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 4: of nothing into something a little bit. So I want 374 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 4: to see a bigger sample. I hear what you're saying, 375 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 4: and it's certainly a concern for them. Where it's like 376 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 4: when you have what four hundred and eighty two whatever 377 00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 4: it was last year including the playoffs, it was a 378 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 4: crazy number of touches that running backs rarely come back 379 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:05,920 Speaker 4: from that and are like the same guy the next year. 380 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 4: But I haven't seen anything with my eyes that tell me, hey, 381 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:10,640 Speaker 4: he doesn't look like the same guy. 382 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:13,119 Speaker 2: I purposely didn't draft him, told my son not to 383 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 2: draft him in fantasy. I just don't have a great 384 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 2: feeling about that. But that being said, their defense is 385 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:22,959 Speaker 2: so good. My old neighbor I was talking to him 386 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 2: last night and he's like an Eagles guy through and through. 387 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:27,719 Speaker 2: They have like an Eagles flag outside their house. He's like, 388 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 2: we're nineteen and one in the last twenty games, and 389 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 2: the loss was when Jalen Hurts got hurt and had 390 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 2: to leave. Why are people not calling this like a 391 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 2: historically great defense, and I'm like, you know, he's got 392 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 2: to put I mean, Jordan Davis and Jalen Carter in 393 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 2: the middle is like Chicago Bears nineteen eighty five stuff. 394 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, no, they I think it's seventeen in a row 395 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 4: when Jalen Hurts has started and finished a game, which 396 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:50,199 Speaker 4: is like it's craygy. I tell Eagles fans, I'm like, 397 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 4: you'll never see a stretch like this again in your life. 398 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 3: I don't care how long you live. 399 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:57,880 Speaker 4: But yeah, defensively, they are good, you know, and it's 400 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 4: been a different team than last year because they lost 401 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 4: a lot of guys in free agency. But Jordan Davis, 402 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 4: you identified, he looks like a different guy this year. 403 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 4: He's playing more snaps, he's been more impactful. And so 404 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 4: they've got some injuries there where they're gonna have to 405 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 4: sort through it. They're not great at their second corner spot, 406 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 4: but these are first world problems for the team. You 407 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 4: still look at their roster and their depth chart and 408 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 4: it's like, all right, they're gonna win. 409 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:21,360 Speaker 2: A lot of games this year, So let me ask. 410 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 2: So the second corner slot is kind of a weakness. 411 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:28,199 Speaker 2: This week's matchup against the Bucks. No Mike Evans and 412 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 2: it's basically no Godwin yet no Jaalen McMillan is therefore 413 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 2: he's out, so it's basically abuca. Do the Eagles play enough? 414 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:40,680 Speaker 2: Will they scheme up defensively where they just have I 415 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:44,120 Speaker 2: don't know Cooper Dejen follow Abuka, would that you know anything? 416 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 4: It kind of depends where he lines up. If he's 417 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 4: in the slot, you know he'll get Degene. If he's 418 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 4: on the outside. Quinon Mitchell is their number one corner 419 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:53,880 Speaker 4: who he played really well last week. He followed DeVante 420 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 4: Adams a little bit. But they play a lot of 421 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 4: zone coverage, so it's not like, hey, you know, just 422 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:01,160 Speaker 4: follow this guy and you're covering him the entire time. 423 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:03,199 Speaker 4: It's more just all right, let's get him on that 424 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:05,399 Speaker 4: player's side. So they're gonna have a tough time, you know. 425 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:08,920 Speaker 4: Baker Mayfield and the Bucks last year really played well 426 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:11,400 Speaker 4: against this Vic Fangio defense. Now it was the first 427 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:13,679 Speaker 4: month of the season, they didn't have all their guys, 428 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:16,400 Speaker 4: but still it was one of the most impressive performances 429 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 4: by an opposing offense against the Eagles in the last 430 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 4: two years. So it's one of those where the Bucks 431 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:25,959 Speaker 4: have injuries on the offensive line. Eagles have some injuries defensively. 432 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 4: You know, Todd Bowles has had Jalen Hurts his number 433 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:32,120 Speaker 4: over the years, so it's it's an interesting matchup for sure. 434 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:34,639 Speaker 2: I still remember that playoff game. Oh my gosh, that 435 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 2: was bad. But it's interesting you mentioned that because I 436 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 2: think didn't Philly get smacked around by Tampa last year? 437 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 3: They did. 438 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:42,160 Speaker 2: AJ Brown missed the game four. 439 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, they didn't have AJ Brown, they didn't have DeVante Smith, 440 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:47,439 Speaker 4: they didn't have any so they were really banged up 441 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 4: in that game. But still, you know, Tampa did play 442 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 4: really well in Tampa this year. You know, they'll make 443 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:56,120 Speaker 4: some mistakes offensively, but they are able to like create 444 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 4: a sixteen yard completion. It feels like almost any time 445 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:01,639 Speaker 4: they want. I mean, you know how Baker Mayfield's gonna play. 446 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 4: He's gonna be aggressive throwing the football. And I've been 447 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 4: impressive that they haven't had that drop off offensively, even 448 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 4: though they switched offensive coordinators. 449 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 2: So you know, you can only dance between the rain 450 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:15,639 Speaker 2: drops forever, right, I Mean, they've won essentially three games 451 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:18,159 Speaker 2: with game winning drives in the final two minutes, you know, 452 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:22,639 Speaker 2: and then the Falcons kicker misses, they could easily be 453 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 2: oer and three, and I know you can play that 454 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 2: game a lot. The Eagles being minus three and a 455 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 2: half tells me a lot on this one. I think 456 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 2: the Eagles get big time revenge here and if they 457 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 2: could win by twenty, That's what I kind of feel 458 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:38,920 Speaker 2: in this one. But the Eagles haven't. They don't usually destroy. 459 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 4: People like that, right, They've won three one score games themselves. 460 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:44,160 Speaker 3: You know, they're kind of like the Chiefs the last 461 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 3: year in some ways. The Eagles. 462 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 4: You know, they win that game last week on the 463 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:51,359 Speaker 4: last second field goal block, and the Cowboys game in 464 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 4: week one, Ceedee lamb is dropping passes. In week two, 465 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 4: Travis Kelsey's dropping that pass in the end zone. 466 00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 3: So not that they could be ozer in three. 467 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,920 Speaker 4: But yeah, to your point, they're not blowing teams out either, 468 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 4: So yeah, I thought that line was very interesting. I 469 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 4: need to kind of see the injury reports this week 470 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:09,679 Speaker 4: before figuring out who I'm gonna pick. But again, Bowles 471 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 4: has had Jalen Hurts his numbers. It's not just last year. 472 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 4: You look kind of over the years, they're kind of 473 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 4: the one team that the Eagles have yet to figure 474 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 4: out here. 475 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 2: Interesting, let me go to Thursday night football, Seahawks at Cardinals, 476 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 2: Arizona loses Connor. Seattle's defense has been just absolutely balling. 477 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:31,399 Speaker 2: That being said, I wrote down the defense. These are 478 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:34,360 Speaker 2: the quarterbacks. They played Rock Purty in the opener, who 479 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 2: didn't have a yuk. I think Kittle got hurt in 480 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 2: that game. He was like throwing the backups. They faced 481 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers, who I think is you know, kind of 482 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:44,640 Speaker 2: washed on a top fifty. And then if it's Spencer Rattler. 483 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:47,360 Speaker 2: So they've only given up four touchdowns in thirty one drive. 484 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 2: Seattle defense great, but they're facing a real offense here. 485 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:54,959 Speaker 4: No, I think a team that people thought they were 486 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 4: gonna have a real offense. I mean, I haven't been 487 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,360 Speaker 4: blown away by this Cardinals offense so far this year. 488 00:21:59,400 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 3: You know. 489 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 4: Now last week it wasn't Kyler Murray. If guys could 490 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:04,399 Speaker 4: catch the ball, his numbers look a lot better, and 491 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 4: maybe they win that game. But I don't think they've 492 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:08,879 Speaker 4: clicked offensively, you know. I know there was a lot 493 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 4: of buzz around the Cardinals coming into the season. 494 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 3: To me, they're just always kind of. 495 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 4: Around that eight or nine win team where if they 496 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 4: get a little lucky, maybe they win ten. If they 497 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 4: get a little unlucky, maybe they win seven. So yeah, 498 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,439 Speaker 4: I think the Seahawks defense is legit. I had him 499 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 4: as the best defense in the NFL coming into the year. 500 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 3: Wow, number one, number one, I've Yeah. 501 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 4: I did the rankings for the Ringer and I had 502 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 4: the Seahawks number one. I think they're a great blend 503 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:38,639 Speaker 4: of talent, scheme, coaching young players, vets, and. 504 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 3: I think they're legit. 505 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 4: So I actually think the Cardinals are going to have 506 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:43,160 Speaker 4: a tough time on Thursday night. 507 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,360 Speaker 2: Wow, I didn't know you best in the By the way, 508 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 2: has anything changed dramatically? Like I thought the Broncos would 509 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:54,680 Speaker 2: be your one. They haven't been as great, but they've 510 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:57,880 Speaker 2: only allowed four touchdowns and thirty five drives. They face 511 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 2: camp Ward, Daniel Jones, and Justin Herbert. Was Denver your 512 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 2: number two defense? 513 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 4: No, I had the Texans too, I had the Eagles three, 514 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 4: and I think I had the Broncos in that four 515 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 4: to six range along with the Ravens and another team. 516 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:15,359 Speaker 4: But yeah, the defense hasn't been the issue for the Broncos. 517 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 4: You know, you look at what they're doing. Defensively, I 518 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 4: thought they played well last week against the Chargers, but 519 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 4: offensively they have not taken that leap that I think 520 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 4: some people thought they were going to take in terms 521 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 4: of being a Super Bowl contender. 522 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 2: All right, yeah, a couple more real quick. So I 523 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 2: think you just said you'd like the Texans defense a 524 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 2: lot coming in. I gotta be honest. The offense has 525 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 2: been breadful. Their offensive line, we knew it would be bad, 526 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 2: and the rookie left tackles getting cooked. But I feel 527 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 2: like people just keep making excuses for CJ. Stroud because 528 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:44,879 Speaker 2: he had such a good rookie year and he was 529 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,120 Speaker 2: drafted second overall. Why can't we just call him out 530 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,680 Speaker 2: for not being good this season at all? 531 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been one of the people making excuses for it. 532 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:57,639 Speaker 4: I can't shake what I saw his rookie season, and 533 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 4: I thought those were bad circumstances last year. I was 534 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 4: bullish on him this year, but yeah, I do think 535 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:04,879 Speaker 4: he's developed some bad habits. I don't think it's a 536 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:08,639 Speaker 4: great situation for him. But still, if you're a great quarterback, 537 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,160 Speaker 4: you can overcome bad situations. It doesn't mean you're gonna 538 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 4: have a top five offense, but you should be able 539 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,920 Speaker 4: to reach a level of competency, and they flat out 540 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,399 Speaker 4: had one of the worst offenses in the NFL. I mean, 541 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:20,639 Speaker 4: you watched that game last week, Like I was wondering, 542 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 4: do they practice during the when you it was like 543 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 4: any positive play for the Texans feels like a surprise. 544 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:29,160 Speaker 3: I can't believe why. 545 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:32,159 Speaker 4: It's maybe the most frustrating offense in the NFL to 546 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,440 Speaker 4: watch right now. So yeah, I don't. I want to 547 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 4: give him a little bit more time. But we are 548 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 4: going on two years like this looked bad last year. 549 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 4: They were disappointment. They made changes on the offensive line, 550 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,159 Speaker 4: they made changes with the offensive coordinator. 551 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 3: And it still looks bad this year. 552 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 4: So that's an I mean, given how bad their offense is, 553 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 4: they're what seven and seven point favorites seven and a 554 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 4: half point favorites this week. 555 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:54,680 Speaker 3: Against the Titans. 556 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 4: Where I'm going, man, Ken, you know, are they gonna 557 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 4: be able to score more than fourteen points in this 558 00:24:58,880 --> 00:24:59,440 Speaker 4: football game? 559 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,879 Speaker 2: That's a d kills line. But I'm done with the Texans. 560 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 4: Oh no, don't bet on Brian Callahan. No, that is 561 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 4: rule number one of the twenty twenty five season. Do 562 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 4: not bank on that team to do anything. 563 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 2: All right, we'll wrap up with where's this game? Chargers Giants? Okay, 564 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 2: So Jackson Dart's getting the start and Jesse Minter has 565 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,879 Speaker 2: essentially been one of the better defensive coordinators over the 566 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 2: last season and a third or whatever. 567 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 3: This is. 568 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 2: Why on earth is Dable doing this? Do you think 569 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 2: he feels like, hey, man, I gotta make him Russell 570 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 2: Wilson's been that bad or do you think he's worried 571 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:37,159 Speaker 2: about his job because this is a difficult spot against 572 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 2: a really good Chargers defense. 573 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 3: Oh, of course this is to save his job. 574 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 4: I mean this is his last card to play as 575 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,119 Speaker 4: an NFL head coach of the Giants. I mean if 576 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:49,719 Speaker 4: he goes six and eleven with Russell Wilson this year, like, 577 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 4: you're not keeping your job doing that. His only hope 578 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:54,239 Speaker 4: is that Jackson Dart does. They don't have to win 579 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 4: a lot of games. Jackson Dart doesn't have to be 580 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,679 Speaker 4: offensive Rookie of the Year. He needs to reach a 581 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:02,239 Speaker 4: certain threshold where you say, hey, there's something here with 582 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 4: this Brian Dable Jackson Dart relationship and partnership and that 583 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 4: he just give it one more year. Let him develop 584 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,199 Speaker 4: him next year and maybe you really have something. So 585 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,119 Speaker 4: I think that's the card he's playing. I know the 586 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 4: Chargers are a tough defense. The Giants had the hardest 587 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 4: schedule in the NFL. Like if you're you know, you 588 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 4: could have waited a week, but then it's like. 589 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 3: All right after that. 590 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 4: I think they got the Eagles and I think they 591 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 4: have Denver, So it's you know, there's no time you 592 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 4: can put him in where you're like, Okay, he's gonna 593 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:30,639 Speaker 4: be safe here for the next month. You just have 594 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,119 Speaker 4: to scheme around it and figure out a way to 595 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 4: put him in position to make play. So we'll see 596 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 4: what it looks like. It could be ugly. There's no 597 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 4: doubt it could be ugly. But that was his last 598 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:40,440 Speaker 4: card to play. 599 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, Jim, Jim harball Man, him, him and Herbert. I 600 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 2: would it's early, right, it's early. I wouldn't be shocked 601 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,360 Speaker 2: if they're in the AFC Championship game. Man, they're more 602 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 2: would you agree they're more complete than the Bills are 603 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 2: Ravens right now? 604 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 3: More? I don't trust them more than the Bills. 605 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,199 Speaker 2: Well, I think. 606 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, complete, I think complete is fit complete because they 607 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 4: have a defense with the way they're playing right do 608 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 4: right now? Yes, and I think they will have a 609 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 4: better defense than the Bills. I think there's a chance 610 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,920 Speaker 4: the Ravens once we get to November December. 611 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 3: This happened last. 612 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 4: Year where they got off to a slow start and 613 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,680 Speaker 4: then their defense started to play really well. So Chargers 614 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 4: are not the most talented team and that really held 615 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 4: me back from picking them to do big things this 616 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 4: year when you just look at the offensive line, the 617 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 4: defensive line. 618 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 3: But they've got the coach, they've got a quarterback. 619 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 4: Who's playing really well, and then a guy like Quentin Johnson, 620 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,879 Speaker 4: Like I was worried about their pass catching unit, and 621 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 4: he's sixth in the NFL and received in yards. 622 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:37,879 Speaker 3: I can't believe it. I mean, Herbert trusts him. 623 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 4: He's stilling sixth in the entire NFL through three weeks, 624 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 4: So I think they got something there. Yeah, They've been 625 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 4: a pleasant surprise through three weeks. There's no doubt about it. 626 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,880 Speaker 2: All right, Choll Capatia the Ringer, great stuff as always, 627 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:50,399 Speaker 2: continued success on the podcast. 628 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 3: My man, all right, thanks for having me. Talk to 629 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 3: you soon.