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Speaker 1: Welcome to the crime Round Up, y'all. Today we've got

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Speaker 1: the one and only Nancy Grace as always good morning,

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Speaker 1: good morning, good morning.

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Speaker 2: But can I just say, I've got so many cases

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Speaker 2: in my mind they're just colliding. We've got, as I

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Speaker 2: call them, Sean Combs aka Puffy aka Puffy Daddy aka

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Speaker 2: Shawn Puffy Combs aka Diddy aka Love. I mean, really,

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Speaker 2: one thousand bottles of baby oil. I don't know that

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Speaker 2: I would call that love one thousand bottles of baby oil.

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Speaker 2: And it brought back a memory. It's tricky when your

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Speaker 2: memories are felony related instead of like, oh, I remember

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Speaker 2: at Christmas open so and soide of the Christmas tree.

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Speaker 2: I had this little boyerl He was I want to

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Speaker 2: say nine, but it could have been eleven, and he

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Speaker 2: was learning disabled. He the only thing he really really

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Speaker 2: loved was video games at the arcade. And one day

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Speaker 2: his mother found like a twenty dollars bill folded up,

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Speaker 2: you know, folded up in a very small square in

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Speaker 2: his pocket. She went up, what is this? Well, as

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Speaker 2: it turned out, a guy who some people thought was handsome,

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Speaker 2: not me, of course, married children, big exec at some corporation.

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Speaker 2: I want to say, like Bell South, but like Bell South.

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Speaker 2: And he would go to the arcade and give the

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Speaker 2: little boy, who could barely communicate, a role of quarters

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Speaker 2: and then commit side of me on him anal sex

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Speaker 2: and would then give him a roll of cords or

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Speaker 2: a twenty dollar bill. The kid was nine, And when

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Speaker 2: the defendant's home was rated, they found jars of vasoline,

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Speaker 2: kitty porn, and you know, Chris twenty dollar bills by

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Speaker 2: his bed, you know, in his bed bedside table. So

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Speaker 2: in my mind immediately went back to that. Now here's

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Speaker 2: the difference. Diddy Comes has money. Some people say up

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Speaker 2: to a billion, as in brother be his and brother

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Speaker 2: billion dollars. That's the only thing that sets him apart

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Speaker 2: from that poc that I prosecuted. I remember a thirteen

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Speaker 2: year old little girl. It was my first sex trafficking case.

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Speaker 2: Then we just called it statutory rape. But she was

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Speaker 2: trafficked to a boatload of men. Her pimps. One was

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Speaker 2: named Lucky. He wasn't Lucky by the time I finished.

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Speaker 2: And some other guy I can't remember his name. Comes

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Speaker 2: is no better than them. When I look at coms,

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Speaker 2: that's what I see a lot of people see. All

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Speaker 2: of his fur coats and all of his bleeding around

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Speaker 2: his neck and his diamond pinky ring, and him out

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Speaker 2: on a yacht and all of his girlfriends and designer clothes.

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Speaker 2: Blah blah blah blah.

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Speaker 1: You're so right, because when you think of a pimp,

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Speaker 1: you know, they use the track to stroll, the blade,

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Speaker 1: they call it. He can't do that, so his mansion

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Speaker 1: becomes the track. There's no doubt about it.

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Speaker 2: The brutality. Do you know what I learned. I can't

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Speaker 2: take any credit. It was just simply, very carefully coming

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Speaker 2: through that multi page federal indictment. I told you the

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Speaker 2: Feds don't play. They don't put a toe in the water,

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Speaker 2: not a little toe until they have boxes and boxes

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Speaker 2: and boxes rooms full of boxes of evidence. I mean paper.

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Speaker 2: I was a fed cheryl before you me. Three years.

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Speaker 2: I was in the feral system and it drove me

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Speaker 2: insane because they weren't fast enough. You know. I don't

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Speaker 2: even like people to talk slowly. Yes, the other day

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Speaker 2: somebody said, is she drunk? No, I was trying to

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Speaker 2: have a thought. I'm trying to speak and think at

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Speaker 2: the same time. It works sometimes, but it would drive

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Speaker 2: me crazy because it would take months and months and

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Speaker 2: months sometimes years. Of course, I was making and I

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Speaker 2: trust in consumer protection cases, but those are, you know, complicated.

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Speaker 2: But long story short, they don't move an inch until

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Speaker 2: they've got you dead in the water. So everybody was like,

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Speaker 2: why is it taking so long? Because that's the way

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Speaker 2: the feds are. Just accept it and go with it

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Speaker 2: and be glad, be glad, they've got all the evidence amassed.

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Speaker 2: But I was reading the indictment and it said that

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Speaker 2: he would viciously beat the women, sometimes so badly they

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Speaker 2: would have to put them away, like in remote locations.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I thought of a mountain cabin, but it

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Speaker 2: said remote locations so they could recuperate and heal before

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Speaker 2: they could go out in public again. Beaten that badly,

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Speaker 2: and everybody just stood by filmed it for Pete's sake. Freaks.

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Speaker 2: They're freaks just like him.

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Speaker 1: And listen, that's something I wanted to ask you about.

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Speaker 1: I think whoever talks first is going to get the deal.

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Speaker 1: Some of these gonna be on the hook too, because

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Speaker 1: they did stand by, they helped film it. They went

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Speaker 1: and got these victims and brought them to him.

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Speaker 2: Who had baby oil duty. I want that mf to

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Speaker 2: go down. I do too. Somebody. They even had these okay,

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Speaker 2: hold them. They called them freak coughs. That's certainly putting

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Speaker 2: perfume on the pig. What it was was days on, one, two, three,

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Speaker 2: four days of straight drugging women, many of them did

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Speaker 2: not know they were being drugged. Then Comes would bring

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Speaker 2: in fly in professional sex workers to have sex quote

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Speaker 2: e quote rape the women who were drugged, beat them,

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Speaker 2: coerce them, threatened them if they didn't have sex with

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Speaker 2: the professional sex worker while somebody else videoed it and

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Speaker 2: Comes either videoed it or masturbated or just sat there

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Speaker 2: and watched. Somebody had to set up those lights, Somebody

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Speaker 2: had to get all that video equipment. Somebody had to

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Speaker 2: fly in all those sex workers. So this is what's

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Speaker 2: interesting about being a fed A. You've got incredible power

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Speaker 2: and you have vast, vast resources at your fingertips. People

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Speaker 2: would always talk about the power of state. You know

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Speaker 2: what that was for me, Cheryl, Well, you do. It

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Speaker 2: would be me am I beat up Toyota or my

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Speaker 2: beat up Honda, which would smoke from under the hood

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Speaker 2: like all the time and out hiding behind my wheel

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Speaker 2: in my car. So somebody could see me before I

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Speaker 2: jumped out with a subpoena at them. You know, that's

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Speaker 2: the power of the state at my level. But the Feds, man,

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Speaker 2: they have a lot of resources, and it was interesting

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Speaker 2: Cheryl when the raid went down at his mansion, which

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Speaker 2: is where apparently they found all that baby oil thousands

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Speaker 2: of bottles. Okay, but I was very intrigued by their

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Speaker 2: search warrant I obtained for the hotel, the Luxe hotel,

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Speaker 2: because it wanted information who visited Combs while he was there,

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Speaker 2: What were there? What cars were they driving with their

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Speaker 2: tag numbers? What I want to see the phone calls

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Speaker 2: made EUI of the room. I want to see the

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Speaker 2: room service orders, everything. I'm like, why do they care?

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Speaker 2: They wanted to know which I'm deducing. I didn't read this.

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Speaker 2: Who were the best boys, Who were the delivery boys

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Speaker 2: that went in and out? What did they deliver for?

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Speaker 2: How many people? Because some of the free coughs would

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Speaker 2: take place at a hotel, So they're trying to nail

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Speaker 2: down every witness. I'm leading up to something because the

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Speaker 2: FEDS love nothing better than our rico A conspiracy, rico racketeering,

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Speaker 2: organized crime prosecution is not just a predicate act, which is,

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Speaker 2: let's just say as far as is a reserve for

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Speaker 2: the mob started with a mob, let's just say a murder,

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Speaker 2: that's your predicate act. But then which is a state offense.

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Speaker 2: But you take that offense and you spin it into

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Speaker 2: a conspiracy where the Godfather that's an archaic term, the

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Speaker 2: god that means out of date, Cheryl, the Godfather that

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Speaker 2: was for you, the Godfather would control. Of course it's constantlyaries,

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Speaker 2: but many many, many hundreds of people beneath them. It

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Speaker 2: was an enterprise, a conspiracy. The point is that's what

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Speaker 2: you see in the indictment because they are claiming that

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Speaker 2: all of these people, assistants, bodyguards, secretaries, administrative assistants, all

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Speaker 2: these people are now going to be unnamed co conspirators

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Speaker 2: who you know, are going to write out and testify

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Speaker 2: to save their own skin.

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Speaker 1: You know, he had the three AK forty seven's, well,

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Speaker 1: the serial numbers were obliterated. He had drugs there, there's

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Speaker 1: evidence with the videotapes of the sex workers. If that

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Speaker 1: ain't organized crime, I don't know what is. And you know,

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Speaker 1: good and well, Sean Combs is not the one going

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Speaker 1: out and buying the drugs. He has people doing that

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Speaker 1: for him. So all these personal assistants, these quote security

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Speaker 1: guards he has around him, the household staff, Nancy, there

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Speaker 1: was evidence all over that house of what was happening.

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Speaker 1: There's no chance they didn't know it. They were directly

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Speaker 1: involved with it. That's how the thing, you know, all

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Speaker 1: the items and the people got to the mansion and

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Speaker 2: Cheryl, I want to be clear about something. This ain't

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Speaker 2: your good old fashioned orgy. Okay, that's not what we're

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Speaker 2: talking about. Do I want to be part of it?

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Speaker 2: I'll just state pubably no, I don't. And if David

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Speaker 2: Lynch had anything to do with it, oh yeah, you

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Speaker 2: go missing. Okay, what happened to him? He just said

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Speaker 2: he's going out to get his laundry anyway. I don't

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Speaker 2: care again, not the church lady, do whatever you want,

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Speaker 2: but that's not what we're talking about here. We're talking

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Speaker 2: about women beaten. Hey, you know what a video speaks

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Speaker 2: a thousand words. What about that video of Cassieve Interira

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Speaker 2: getting dragged down the hall a public hallway at a hotel, beaten,

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Speaker 2: kicked viciously, A grown man out in the hallway and

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Speaker 2: nothing but a table. He feels that powerful, that free,

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Speaker 2: that that's okay in his mind. Then he takes this

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Speaker 2: he tries to bribe the hotel staff so they don't

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Speaker 2: If he would do that in an open public hallway

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Speaker 2: of a hotel, what will he do behind closed doors? Beat? Rape, drug,

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Speaker 2: threaten people with their careers? You know, I've seen so

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Speaker 2: many women that were raped, including forced into sex by

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Speaker 2: lawyers domestic like divorce custody lawyers. It's just when you're

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Speaker 2: in that position, the woman has no power. And that's

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Speaker 2: what we're talking about. That not consensual sex.

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Speaker 1: Correct, And you and I have worked plenty of cases

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Speaker 1: of FIB and I will just tell the folks that

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Speaker 1: are listening what you just described is what gorilla pimps use.

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Speaker 1: They call it seasoning. When they manipulate and intimidate, they

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Speaker 1: will gang assault, they will be they will isolate, they

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Speaker 1: to break that victim down to ensure complete compliance. That's

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Speaker 1: what you see him doing. He had medical records that

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Speaker 1: he would blackmail with allegedly, he then has these videotapes

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Speaker 1: during the freak Offs where he says, hey, you don't

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Speaker 1: have complete loyalty to me, I'm going to release this

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Speaker 1: video tape. And many of them allegedly did not even

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Speaker 1: know they were being videotaped, so he was ruling with

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Speaker 1: an iron fist. Absolutely, And don't forget he originally called

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Speaker 1: himself puff daddy, and daddy is a term that most

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Speaker 1: pimps will incorporate.

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Speaker 2: You know, Eily, my friend Ely says, do you think

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Speaker 2: they're going to call j Loo? Okay? Now that opened

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Speaker 2: the Pandora's box. She is probably like, that is the

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Speaker 2: last thing. Yeah, she needs right now is a federal

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Speaker 2: subpoena on top of everything else that you know she's juggling. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: what is wrong with Ben Affleck? Why does he always

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Speaker 2: look so miserable? I don't get it. The man's a millionaire,

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Speaker 2: he had Jennifer Garner, he had j Loo, He's got

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Speaker 2: these beautiful children, he's healthy. I would say, some people

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Speaker 2: think he's good looking, he's talented. Why does he was

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Speaker 2: so glum anyway? That don't care, go be glum, but

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Speaker 2: miserable He reminds me of a character in You know,

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Speaker 2: maybe it's going too deep, Cheryl, but you know Narnia,

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Speaker 2: the Books of Narnia. There's like seven or eight books.

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Speaker 2: I've read every single one, word for word to the twins.

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Speaker 2: But there was okay, Pete, yes, you read it too. Okay,

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Speaker 2: there was a character named Glum Puddle affleck Is. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: We got one problem, sare, here's a problem sol statute

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Speaker 2: the last Predicate Act. That's too confusing. Let's get out

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Speaker 2: the fact he.

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Speaker 1: Is going down because, honey, they got everything from sex

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Speaker 2: Case, an incredible case. And the thing one thing I

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Speaker 2: charge them. I don't have any problem with that, and

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Speaker 2: Now here's one thing when negative about the Feds. They

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Speaker 2: Venturer's tape came out because they would look like nothing

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Speaker 2: and they did nothing, as did the States. Nothing. Why

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Speaker 1: That's right. And Nancy, there are people that have been

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Speaker 1: telling all the laundry. Fifty Cent's been telling it. Kat

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Speaker 2: So they had to act, Cheryl, And I'm not glad

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Speaker 2: and they're acting now, and they've built an incredible case,

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Speaker 2: a very intricate web. Why do I say that, You know,

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Speaker 2: like Gulliver's Travels. You know that's a book, Cheryl, not

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Speaker 2: what the fees have done. They've got the assistant, they've

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Speaker 2: They've got all these witnesses. And if they don't want

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Speaker 1: And I'm like you, the witness list potentially could be unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's tons of folks that had intimate knowledge

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Speaker 2: I hate your guts, girl. I love you. I love

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Speaker 2: you way back. When wait a minute, wait a minute,

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Speaker 2: it's something else. When is Delphi starting, Cheryl? We might

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Speaker 1: I think we need to head up there, no doubt

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Speaker 2: When When is it?

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Speaker 1: I think it's October?

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Speaker 2: I thought October too, but I haven't heard anything in

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Speaker 1: Well, I know I'm talking to Susan Hendrix in about

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm just one of many. I feel special.

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Speaker 1: No, she means nothing to me.

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Speaker 2: You know that she's listening right now. She's there. But

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Speaker 2: you're number one. How many guys actually get away with

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Speaker 2: that saying you're my favorite? Ladies? Please don't do that. Please,

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Speaker 2: You're better than that. You're so much better than that.

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Speaker 2: So do you think it's still going in October? I'm

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Speaker 2: very disappointed. I'm not going to hear the Oldness defense

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Speaker 2: that the worshippers of the Norse God did it. I

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Speaker 2: Oldness did it. Oh, yeah, they tried the Norse God worshippers.

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Speaker 2: I was waiting on that. I wonder what they'll do. Oh,

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Speaker 2: I know what they're going to do, and I have

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Speaker 2: turn it into bullets and fire it right.

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Speaker 1: Back, right back.

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Speaker 2: That's what's going to happen. They're gonna blame everybody the

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Speaker 2: state investigated, and that will be their defense. Not a bad,

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Speaker 2: because if they were going to go with odinism, I

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Speaker 2: don't know how deeply they're thinking. Anyway, we shall see

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Speaker 2: miss laid.

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Speaker 1: Yes, indeed, I can't wait.

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Speaker 2: I'm driving. I'm driving. You're a shotgun. I can't take

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Speaker 2: your driving. And I'll get us there quick. That's the truth.

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Speaker 1: That is the truth.

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Speaker 2: We'll make good time and no smoking. And it's country

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Speaker 2: a little bit of wrap, but not much country and

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