1 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:08,680 Speaker 1: Everybody. It's Bill Courtney. Welcome to the shop Shop Talk 2 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 1: number eighty three. You got any three eighty three? Dave 3 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 1: Casper's eighty eight eighty three. 4 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 2: I don't know, Oh, Dave Casper was eighty three eighty three. 5 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, can you believe that sounds that weird? 6 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 3: Ted Hendricks. 7 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: Brains work in weird ways, Ted Hendricks, Yeah, it was 8 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: a great players. Those are two Hall of famers, Andre 9 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: Risen with thee oh, Andre Rising, Andre bad Moon Rizon. 10 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 2: And the only one I really remember being in Chicago 11 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 2: and is Willie Galt. 12 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:45,200 Speaker 1: Eight w who also played for the University of Tennessee. 13 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 1: That's right, Yeah, okay, Shop Talking, No. Brady three. We're 14 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: going to talk about Alex has been wanting me to 15 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 1: kind of kind of do this shop talk, and I 16 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: think it's I think it's valuable to think about. It's 17 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:06,400 Speaker 1: the inaccurate notion that those of us in the lumber 18 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 1: business are bad for the environment. Not only is it inaccurate, 19 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: it's the antithesis of the truth. And I cannot wait 20 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: to expose you haters right after these brief messages from 21 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: our generous sponsors, Welcome back to Shop Talking number eighty three. 22 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: Willie gaul Uh, all right, haters, hate hater, don't hate. 23 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: All right. I don't have this written down or organized 24 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 1: in any way other than in my head. 25 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 3: But I think you've done this a couple of times before. 26 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm going to try to do it all 27 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 1: together at once for you. Now. I'm in the lumber business, 28 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 1: the hard good lumber business. For those of you who 29 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 1: don't know, there's a difference in softwoods and hardwoods. A 30 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 1: lot of people when they hear lumber business, they think 31 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:09,919 Speaker 1: two by fours, four by six is four bay eights. 32 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 1: That's softwoods. Practically, think of it this way. Softwoods build 33 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 1: a structure, hardwoods furnish it. So softwoods are the two 34 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 1: by fours and the structural stuff. Hardwoods. My products go 35 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: into things like flooring, furniture, cabinets, molding, millwork, all the 36 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:34,959 Speaker 1: things inside your home. Scientifically, the difference in softwoods and 37 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: hardwoods is that hardwoods are deciduous. It was just just 38 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 1: a fancy word for hardwoods lose their leaves during the winter. 39 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 1: So the difference in hardwoods and softwoods really don't have 40 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:49,640 Speaker 1: anything to do with hardness and softness or texture of 41 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: the wood itself. It is just hardwoods lose their leaves 42 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 1: during the winter. Soft woods don't. So if you see 43 00:02:57,160 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: a pine tree or some conifer that may contains its 44 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 1: foliage during the winter, that's a soft wood. And if 45 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: you see a tree that has no leaves during the winter, 46 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 1: that's a hardwood. And to keep in mind of the uses, 47 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 1: soft woods build a structure. Hardwoods furnish it. That's a 48 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 1: basic rule of thumb. 49 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 3: Why does it matter if they lose their leaves or not? 50 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 1: What do you mean why does it matter? 51 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 3: Like, what's the difference in material? 52 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 1: The softwoods that don't lose their leaves are typically a 53 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: little sappier, and they have long structural integrity, but are 54 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: not typically as is visually impressive as what we call 55 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 1: hardwoods or show woods. And the reason it's called show 56 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 1: is because it's with the shows. I mean, have you 57 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 1: ever seen a piece of furniture made out of pond 58 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: versus a piece of furniture made out of walnut. The 59 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: walnut's much richer, much prettier. So it's it's the hardwoods 60 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 1: have a certain attractiveness to their grain pattern texture that 61 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: saltwood stunt all right. The center of the hardwood log 62 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 1: has serious industrial uses. The center of the log is 63 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:25,719 Speaker 1: what we have we make railroad ties out of. It's 64 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 1: what we make crane mat out of and board road 65 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: which are very important in the exploration of gas and oil. 66 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 1: Tons of purposes for the inside of the log. And 67 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:44,840 Speaker 1: then the outside of the log is where mulch and 68 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 1: beds come from. And then the lumber that's cut off 69 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 1: the log. The fifty or six percent of the lumber 70 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: on the outside of the logs is the grade lumber 71 00:04:54,360 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 1: that's made into the products like furniture, cabinets work. 72 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 2: So can you tell people about your part of the process, 73 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 2: like what do you receive and then what do you 74 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 2: give out? 75 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: I get grade lumber of all grades and all thicknesses 76 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 1: from logs all over the eastern half of the United States. 77 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 1: I bring it here, I stack it outside, put sticks 78 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: in between each layer. Lumber is sixty percent moisture, and 79 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 1: to make it into products that you put into a house, 80 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 1: it has to be around seven or eight percent moisture. 81 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:37,280 Speaker 1: So part of our job is to get the moisture 82 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 1: out of the lumber without destroying it. And that's a 83 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 1: very involved, very specific process where we put sticks in 84 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 1: between each layer of lumber. So that airflow can get 85 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: to it. You can get the moisture content outside based 86 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 1: on relative humidity and the temperature at that time of 87 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:03,159 Speaker 1: the year, depending on the specie, between a week and 88 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: a year, down to about twenty two percent, and then 89 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:09,159 Speaker 1: once it's down to twenty two, twenty three, twenty four percent, 90 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 1: then you put it in a kiln and you use 91 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:18,159 Speaker 1: sophisticated measuring devices to introduce heat and steam and air 92 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 1: and airflow inventing to bring the lumber down to six 93 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: seven eight percent moisture content without destroying it, warping it, 94 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: cracking it. And then you got to take it off sticks, 95 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: and you've got to grate it, and you got to 96 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:37,479 Speaker 1: mill it to then sell its people over the world 97 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 1: to make furniture and cabinets of floring and stuff. So 98 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 1: that's basically what I do. 99 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 3: So someone's already given you a piece of lumber on 100 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 3: the front end. 101 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 2: Two not given huh, purchase, yeah, purchase, yeah, yeah yeah. 102 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 2: I'm just thinking about, like the epencil story, all the steps. 103 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: It's it's it's interesting, it's it's insane. So that's basically 104 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:59,159 Speaker 1: what we do. Why am I talking about this because 105 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 1: I am hired of an inaccurate narrative that people who 106 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 1: do what I do in and around the forestry all 107 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 1: over our country are bad for the environment. Here are 108 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: some inconvenient truths. There is sixty percent more harvestable timber 109 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 1: standing in the United States today than there was in 110 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 1: nineteen fifty. We have grown our forest and thereby grown 111 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 1: our positive environmental footprint. Now people will be like, no, 112 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 1: that's not true. Yeah, it is true, And here's why 113 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 1: we professionally manage our forest. Every tree needs light and 114 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 1: water to grow. That's basic kindergarten stuff. Well, in our forest, 115 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 1: when very large mature trees grow their canopies, if you'll 116 00:07:55,200 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 1: think about the square footage of a canopy, every thing 117 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 1: underneath that canopy is not getting light, not getting water, 118 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 1: so the saplings under it aren't growing. So when you 119 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: take out of the forest big mature trees and you 120 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 1: harvest those, but you don't take all the small saplings 121 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 1: underneath it, many times two and three replace one because 122 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 1: those saplings now get sunlight and water where the canopies 123 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 1: are gone. It's called selective cutting. The second thing you 124 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:32,680 Speaker 1: need to know is a tree's respiratory system is the 125 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:37,439 Speaker 1: exact opposite of the humans we inhale oxygen and exhale 126 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:43,679 Speaker 1: CO two. A tree inhalees CO two and exhales oxygen. 127 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 1: So the more trees, the more oxygen available for us 128 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 1: to breathe, and more importantly, the more CO two that 129 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: has sucked out of the atmosphere, which is that carbon 130 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: footprint that everybody's concerned about with regard to global warming. 131 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: The cool thing about a tree is every ounce of 132 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: carbon it's sucked out of the atmosphere remains in it 133 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: cells forever unless it does one of two things. Burns 134 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 1: are decays. So the floors, the natural hardwood floor is 135 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 1: not the plastic crap that you guys are buying these days, 136 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 1: the lvl but truly solid hardred floors, solid hardwood, furniture, cabinets, molding, millwork. 137 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 1: That tree when it was growing, every bit of carbon 138 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: it ever sucked out of the atmosphere remains in the 139 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 1: cells of that piece of wood. So this table you're 140 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: sitting at, each of the trees that made this table alex, 141 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:40,679 Speaker 1: all the carbon it sucked out remains here, stored forever. 142 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: It does not escape unless it burns a decays. So 143 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 1: what happens in forest when we don't take the mature trees. 144 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 1: They die eventually and fall over, and when they decay, 145 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: all of the carbon sequestration that that tree has engaged 146 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 1: in a life is released back into the atmosphere. I've 147 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 1: never heard that before. That's exactly the truth. Okay. Second 148 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:12,320 Speaker 1: way is fires if it burns the carbon scorn. So 149 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 1: by professionally managing forest and taking the mature trees, you 150 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 1: capture that carbon sequestration, and when two or three trees 151 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: replace that one tree, you have more carbon sequestration taking place, 152 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:31,599 Speaker 1: and you're putting more oxygen into the environment, thereby actually 153 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 1: helping to dissipate global warming and all of the carbon 154 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 1: issues by professionally managing forest, So we are actually a 155 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: friend of the environment, We're a friend to ecology, and 156 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 1: we're growing the number of forests in the United States 157 00:10:51,960 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 1: by professionally managing. We'll be right back now. Hardwoods primarily 158 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:26,680 Speaker 1: grow east of the Mississippi River. Let's talk about west 159 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:33,679 Speaker 1: There are I think the estimation is seventeen times more 160 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 1: lightning strikes and the east half of the United States says, 161 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 1: there's the west half, and it would make sense it 162 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 1: rains a lot more here, there's more clouds so there's 163 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 1: a lot more lightning strikes, yet yet there's like eighty 164 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:52,599 Speaker 1: percent more acreage out west burns due to lightning strikes 165 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 1: than does out east. We have more trees, we have 166 00:11:55,800 --> 00:12:00,839 Speaker 1: more lightning, yet we have eighty percent fewer acres lost 167 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:07,439 Speaker 1: forest fire. And question is why. Well, some decades ago, 168 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 1: a bunch of people, armed with some really inaccurate, faulty science, 169 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 1: convinced the public and politicians that logging was bad for 170 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 1: the environment, and they slowed logging, almost brought it to 171 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: a halt in a lot of places, because they felt 172 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:29,079 Speaker 1: like they were saving trees. Again, a lot of bad 173 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 1: policy that I think had good intentions candidly. But as 174 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 1: a result, the forest all over the West had dead 175 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 1: fall all over them, the very trees that just die 176 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 1: and fall and decay. So these dead fallen trees that 177 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:49,680 Speaker 1: are decaying, that are releasing their carbon that they sequestered 178 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 1: into the atmosphere great tender so that when a lightning 179 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 1: strike happens, there's all this kindling basically all over the 180 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 1: forest floor to just explode, and there's no way to 181 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 1: stop it. The second thing is when you're professionally managing 182 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 1: forest and you're creating log roads. Those log roads to 183 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 1: get to certain acres, they create firebreaks. So when a 184 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 1: fire breaks out, it burns, but when it runs out 185 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 1: of tender, it stops burning because there's nothing for it 186 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 1: to burn anymore. So when forests are professionally managed and 187 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 1: there isn't these mature trees that are falling over that 188 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:33,959 Speaker 1: are decaying, there's no tender on the ground. And if 189 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:37,079 Speaker 1: there's logging roads in and throughout the forest, even when 190 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 1: a fire does break out, it gets to a logging 191 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:42,079 Speaker 1: road and it has a hard time continuing to burn 192 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 1: because that creates a firebreak. Well, when you don't have 193 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 1: logging roads, you don't have fire breaks, and when you 194 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:49,679 Speaker 1: don't have logging, you got tender all over the ground. 195 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:52,559 Speaker 1: And so when a lightning strikes happens, these damn things 196 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 1: burn uncontrollably for thousands of acres, and the iron is 197 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:01,199 Speaker 1: the only way the carbon that the tree is a 198 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 1: questioned ever, escapes is through dead fall and fires, which 199 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: is exactly what is created by the absence of professionally 200 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 1: managed and logged forests. And there's so much more fires 201 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 1: out west than there are out east and out easts 202 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 1: where there's logging and out West is where there's not, 203 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: So what's the answer. The answer is not to go 204 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 1: clear cut the forest and run out of all that. 205 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 1: What person who makes their living in an industry wants 206 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 1: to strip the world of the products they make they're 207 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 1: living off of. The answer is to professionally manage by 208 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 1: selective cutting and harvesting the mature trees so that the 209 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 1: saplings underneath it can continue to grow thereby infinitely increasing 210 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 1: carbon sequestration, infinitely requacing the oxygen release into the atmosphere, 211 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 1: and cut down on the destructive, out of control raging 212 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: fires through making sure that tender is off the bottom 213 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 1: of the ground and there's logging roads for firebreaks. And 214 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 1: in doing so, you create industry, You create jobs, You 215 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 1: create natural products for people to enjoin their homes. You 216 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 1: increase carbon sequestration, you increase the oxygen released in the atmosphere, 217 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 1: and you grow the forest. That is the true reality 218 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 1: of what the timber and lumber business in the United 219 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 1: States is capable of. If wrong handed environmental and political 220 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 1: policy would simply get out of the way. 221 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 3: Anything else, I. 222 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: Don't know, do you know have anything to comment on 223 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 1: all that? 224 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 3: Number One, that's fascinating. 225 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 1: You've asked me to put it together one big story, 226 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 1: and that's hard to do. 227 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 2: Number One, it's fascinating. Number Two, I think it's helpful 228 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 2: for people to know more about you, and I think 229 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 2: will be naturally curious. And I learned a lot of 230 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 2: stuff too. And then I do think it's an important 231 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 2: lesson of just looking on the surface level of something 232 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 2: like saying, hey, we. 233 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 3: Want more trees. 234 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 2: We don't want to cut them down, but if you 235 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 2: don't do that, you're gonna end up with less trees 236 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 2: that if you do cut them down the right way. 237 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're gonna end up with more carbon and 238 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 1: less oxygen. I mean it, Listen. One of the reasons 239 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 1: Great Britain really wanted the United States back in the 240 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 1: seventeen hundreds is because England cut all their trees down. 241 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 1: It is true, they deforested their entire island because back 242 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 1: then they did not understand what they were doing right, 243 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 1: And here's this massive area of all these trees. And 244 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, one of the big things Great Britain 245 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: wanted from US was timber. If you'll think about old 246 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 1: old furniture, think about England. It's full of English. Oh 247 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:05,160 Speaker 1: and English maples and English cherries, will walnut. Well, now 248 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 1: there's hardly any forest left in England. Well, it's an 249 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 1: island in the ocean. There's no reason trees wouldn't grow 250 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 1: all over that island, but human beings lopped them off 251 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 1: and they didn't professionally manage it. It is happening in 252 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 1: parts of South America. It is happening in parts of Africa. 253 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 1: I'm not sitting here saying that deforestation from clearcutting and 254 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: not rejuvenating the forest is. It's happened. It has happened 255 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 1: in human history, and it has happened currently in other 256 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:39,199 Speaker 1: parts of the world. What I'm trying to say is 257 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 1: the problem is when one person sees that and they 258 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 1: assume all things are like the other, and that American 259 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:51,159 Speaker 1: foresters are doing the same thing. American foresters are not. 260 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 1: American foresters are professionally managing the forest. They are allowing 261 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 1: the A tree is the only renewable natural resource on 262 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 1: the face of the planet. When we go get ore, diamond, steel, 263 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:10,919 Speaker 1: gold gas, we get it. It's gone, it's used up. 264 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:14,640 Speaker 1: It does not replenish itself. A tree will regrow. It's 265 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:20,440 Speaker 1: a renewable natural resource on demand renewable natural resource see 266 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 1: only one on the face of the planet, and if 267 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 1: we do things scientifically properly, we can actually grow more 268 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 1: of that resource than we're currently using with all of 269 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 1: these environmental and economic positive impacts. And the problem is 270 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:43,200 Speaker 1: when we say no to that because of what somebody's 271 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 1: doing in the serengetti. And that is the danger of 272 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 1: not getting into the weeds, understanding the details of something 273 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 1: and trying to you know, one broad brush paints all walls. 274 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:02,199 Speaker 1: It's just not good policy, and some of us are 275 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:04,919 Speaker 1: trying to get vocal about it, to fight back about 276 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 1: the inaccurate narratives and create new policy that makes sense 277 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 1: based on the facts that I'm sharing with you now 278 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:19,360 Speaker 1: and hopefully sharing that information wisdom and science with our 279 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 1: neighbors and South America and Africa so they don't destroy 280 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:23,879 Speaker 1: their force. 281 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:27,119 Speaker 3: I think you might have to jump. But this is 282 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:28,640 Speaker 3: the final thought too. 283 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:31,119 Speaker 2: I mean, probably the most recent big fire was the Altadena, 284 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 2: you know, one of the palisades and the communities there, 285 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:36,680 Speaker 2: and it's it's kind of a collective shame on us 286 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 2: that we all care about this for a week or 287 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 2: two and then the stories that's gone. 288 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 3: Away it's true, right, and so I mean if we 289 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:42,679 Speaker 3: actually cared. 290 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:44,399 Speaker 2: I mean, people make fun of the whole thoughts and 291 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 2: prayers thing, but like there is some truth to that. 292 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 2: We can't just say that, Like, we also have to 293 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 2: take action, and what can we do to stop this 294 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 2: kind of thing from happening over and over and over again. 295 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:56,160 Speaker 1: Ask people in those parts of the world what their 296 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 1: inschurch rates are doing, and if there was an answer 297 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:04,200 Speaker 1: and a nat way to create less fires and thusly 298 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 1: reduce insurance rates and risks. I mean, it just goes 299 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 1: on and on. But the old point is there's an 300 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:16,919 Speaker 1: alternate truth to some of the you've been fed your 301 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 1: whole lives about forestation, and I hope you guys will 302 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 1: look it up and check me, fact check me. You 303 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 1: might find out that it's fascinating. Now so much of 304 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 1: what you've been told has been less. 305 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 2: Go deep, don't just stop at the service level. And 306 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 2: we all know a little bit more about Bill and 307 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 2: about the lumbers that in our lives. 308 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 1: That's it Shop Talk number eight three. 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