1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,840 Speaker 1: This is Julie. Hey, calendar, what's my morning like? Julie's 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: about to have a long day at nine am? Soccer 3 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 1: carpool purchase birthday card nine oh five, dry cleaning. Did 4 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: you just go backwards? I'm sorry, I can't fit that 5 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: question into your schedule for a little bit, for days 6 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:21,760 Speaker 1: that won't end. Let Schwan's help. With Schwan's you can 7 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 1: get delicious meals that go from freezer to table in minutes, 8 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: not hours, ordered, delivered done. That's homemade easy. Visit today 9 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: at swans dot com. My guest on the show is 10 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:34,599 Speaker 1: in studio with me um. I wanted to bring him 11 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: back because guess what we was a movie we did together. 12 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: He was starting and I was excutive producing it. It 13 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 1: was called Misguy Behavior, which was a bully movie, you know, 14 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:48,519 Speaker 1: bringing awareness about bullying, how it can be, it can 15 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: be circulating and what they call a middle class family 16 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 1: lifestyle and they're not aware of it. But it also 17 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 1: shows a lot of different versions of bullying, from young 18 00:00:56,920 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 1: ladies to uh a suicidal situation, how righting right in 19 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 1: the front of teachers and principal bullying is going on 20 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: and they don't even know about it. What attracted you 21 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: to the movie. Well, you know, um, I got bullied, 22 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 1: you know, and if you if you ever gotten bullied, 23 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:19,759 Speaker 1: it sticks with you probably until you die. I had 24 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 1: a guy in my neighborhood. I grew up in d 25 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 1: C and in a in a complex called Mayfair, but 26 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: right across the street was Parkside, which was one of 27 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: the toughest projects in d C. And um, it was 28 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: several guys, but there was one kid who just named Levi, 29 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 1: who just and all my friends know about Levi, you know, 30 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 1: and and he just had me. I was just terrified. 31 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 1: He was He was a tough kid. And I remember, 32 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 1: you know, I was turning like thirteen fourteen. I was like, man, 33 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: I got I gotta fight fight Levi back and I 34 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 1: was like, man, I'm gonna have a girlfriend and maybe 35 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: I'll be driving one day just stopped me and take 36 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 1: my car. And you know, I was just terrified. I mean, 37 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 1: I was a couple of guys in the neighbor I 38 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 1: was terrified. So, you know, I mean remember being at 39 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 1: a girl invite me to a party and she said, Hey, 40 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: we're having a party, come on over. And uh. It 41 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 1: was right on the outskirts of a park, side when 42 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:10,679 Speaker 1: the departments as opposed to the houses which were in 43 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 1: the interior. So I went there and I was having 44 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: a great time, and then LEVI walked in, Man, and 45 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:18,919 Speaker 1: he beat me off the couch and I'm not talking 46 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: about the smack and like he punched me in my face, 47 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: off the couch, out the door, down the steps. And 48 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 1: I never hit him back. I was just terrified of him. 49 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 1: And finally somewhere in a year, within that year, I 50 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: had fought him back, and he turned into a little sissy, 51 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 1: you know when he called sissy's back then. But I 52 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: got the nerve, you know. But it's that that that 53 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: story that scars stayed with me. And so when I 54 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: read the script, I said, Man, I want to be 55 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: a part of this because I want to talk about 56 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 1: bullying because it's real today. I think the schools are 57 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: doing a better job because you know, back in our day, man, 58 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 1: you just got your butt whipped. Hey, um, you just 59 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:56,079 Speaker 1: got your butt whipped, and nobody did anything. Story when 60 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: I was in the third grade, and it was like 61 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 1: j Scott in Houston in fifth and I remember every 62 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:06,640 Speaker 1: day I come down that street, he was waiting to 63 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 1: pat me down, like like he was a police officer. 64 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 1: He patted me down, and I would I would like, 65 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 1: I could not understand why this kid was waiting on 66 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:16,679 Speaker 1: me every day, every day, patting me down, and that 67 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 1: just that story stays with me. And that's where I 68 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 1: could it's and I could see him coming, and I 69 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:25,079 Speaker 1: went around this way where he always he was waiting on. 70 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 1: I could not avoid this kid. He was always right 71 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 1: where I had to get home fifteen bangs. And the thing, 72 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: the thing that I think I want people out there 73 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 1: to understand is that we're in our forties and fifties 74 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: and sixties now and I still feel like if Levi 75 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: was around, I would want to beat his butt, you know, 76 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: psychological you know the thing I would one of those 77 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: why and why? And then what the fact that bullying, 78 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 1: that being being a bully didn't have on the rest 79 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: of his life, he didn't have on his kids. Because 80 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 1: in the movie we see a scene where the against 81 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 1: the kid who was doing the bullying. He's being terrorized. Yes, 82 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: so so what happened? What happens with you know, a 83 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 1: kid like Levi? He ended up dying, probably out in 84 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 1: the streets. But if you take a kid like me, 85 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 1: I began bullying kids that were maybe weakened in me. 86 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: And it's it's in psychiatry. It's called transference, where you 87 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: kind of transfer, you know, what happens to you to 88 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 1: other people or other you know. And and I had 89 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 1: to catch myself. And I was telling you, you know, 90 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: one of my friends about raising my youngest son, Clifton 91 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 1: the third, who is now six ft six. But uh, 92 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 1: and I can't. I can't beat him now. I had 93 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: boxed with him. They told me apart, but I remember 94 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: him being if all the other kids went to play 95 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 1: at the swings, Clifton went to the pool somewhere and 96 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 1: I couldn't find it. And you know when I grew up, 97 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: when they gave you that to put that spanking and 98 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:49,599 Speaker 1: put that that belt on your butt. And one of 99 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: my my mentor came to me and said, man, you 100 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 1: gotta stop spanking him. Man, I gotta start talking to him. No, 101 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:57,159 Speaker 1: nobody talked to me. But I realized that I was 102 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 1: taking the wrong role, in the wrong approach with him, 103 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 1: as opposed to nurturing his differences and uh, his psychological creativity. 104 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:09,359 Speaker 1: Um and and it's just the way we were raised. 105 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: So a lot of that was always physical And I 106 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 1: think a lot of times when you like, when you 107 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:15,280 Speaker 1: see a movie like Miss Guy The Behavior, you see 108 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:18,039 Speaker 1: this kid bullying another kid, and then when he gets home, 109 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 1: his daddy, who's stronger than him, is bullying him. And 110 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:23,919 Speaker 1: if we could see more, we might see somebody bullying 111 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:26,600 Speaker 1: his dad at work. And that's something and that because 112 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: they're taking an emotional pain and then turned into physical 113 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:32,919 Speaker 1: drama for somebody else. The thing about it that I 114 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 1: love this movie or project about is that not only 115 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 1: is a relatable but the acting was fantastic and then 116 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 1: they're directing this fantastic and it and it's an independent 117 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 1: project that doesn't look like an independent projects. You've done 118 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 1: your share of major movies and your share of independence. 119 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: What are your thoughts and coming into an independent project 120 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: like Miss Guy to Behavior. Well, you know, Uh, Khalil 121 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 1: Kine and our friends and I know Khalil you know, 122 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 1: was director and he's just you know, just so competent 123 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: because he's he's detail oriented. Dorrismargato I know from working 124 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: around uh. And then Sharon was you know, on board 125 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 1: as producer and we all have the same kind of 126 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: work ethic and then and then really the real bottom 127 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 1: line is the subject matter, you know, because what happens 128 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 1: with actors is that if you read a lot of scripts, 129 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 1: you know, and and and it's one that jumps out 130 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:26,039 Speaker 1: at you, you're like, you know, I'm not really worried 131 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 1: about the money. It's like, let's let's go do the work, 132 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: you know. And when I saw it, I was so 133 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 1: proud to be a part of it because it speaks 134 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: to something and I think we need to address in 135 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 1: this culture. Because again, a young girl committed suicide last week. 136 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 1: I think she was nine from because she has a 137 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: she had a white friend and and and I don't 138 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 1: know if it was black kids, but some of the 139 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:49,239 Speaker 1: kids were calling her out of her name and saying, 140 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 1: you're dealing with that white boy and all that crazy stuff. 141 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 1: And she internalized it and she killed herself nine years old, 142 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: nine years old. And and at the end of the day, 143 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: I think, I don't know if bullies understand the impact 144 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: the bullying, but parents and teachers and mentors and and 145 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 1: and and coaches, we have to understand what bully does. 146 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: Bullying does to a child's mind. It makes them scared, 147 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: It makes them tense, it makes them, agitates them, It 148 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: takes away their self esteem, all of that stuff. I 149 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: was talking to Call, you know, the director of the 150 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 1: movie missed guy to behavior. Then I said, Car, I'm sorry. 151 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 1: Carl Paine directed Leil Kane was the start with Khalil 152 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 1: is directing to now. So that's why I didn't differ 153 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: from that. Carl Paine, who's one of the best ever. 154 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 1: I mean, excuse me, call if you heard that. But 155 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: you know, um, because it was a while ago, you know, 156 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 1: and I am getting little older, you know, I'm taking 157 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: my brain pill. No, but but they both are just 158 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 1: Carl Payne, you know, we did to play together, but 159 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: we came up in the in the business in the 160 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 1: l A. When I say exquisitely uh detail oriented, it's 161 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 1: just crazy. But the thing the body that he said 162 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 1: something what I interviewed. If you said, Rashane, let's let's 163 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: let's be real, he said, when we grew up, you 164 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: bullied and it just stayed that moment. Bully stayed in. 165 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 1: Your moments will leave our stayed in the street, your 166 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 1: moment under that party stayed there. Not today. If that happened, 167 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 1: you have been videotaped. You've been videotaped. They uploaded it 168 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 1: on social media and you have to live with that 169 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: because they don't take things down on social media, off 170 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: the internet, and that causes even more embarrassment. And I 171 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: think that's that is what pushes kids over the edge, 172 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 1: and that when he said that, it really made a 173 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 1: big difference because we're just talking about our stories, these 174 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:33,199 Speaker 1: kids and adults. Let's not let's not forget that dally 175 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:36,680 Speaker 1: a bullying translate to adults who are too There's some 176 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 1: adults out there being bullied by male and female situations 177 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 1: and and they call it. Somebody call it domestic violence. 178 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: Somebody colleges friend partnership violence. But there's bullying going on. 179 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 1: And bullying doesn't have to not have to be physical. 180 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 1: It could be mental, it could be social. You could 181 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 1: be ostracized, somebody saying we don't want you over here, 182 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:58,679 Speaker 1: and that that that child is trying to figure out why. 183 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 1: That's the amazing part of this movie, missed guy to behavior. 184 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 1: I know you and I both been being a part 185 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: of it, probably be a part of it. But I 186 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: want to come back and talk about that career because 187 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: the thing about this is that I want to do 188 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: one break about the movie. The second break is that 189 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 1: he has one of those faces you go, I know 190 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: that dude, I know that dude. He but he's one 191 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 1: of my favorite shows. One of my favorite shows, Black 192 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: Lightning on c W. I saw him get shot. He's 193 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 1: come back. He died twice. I don't understand how black 194 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: Man keep dying on TV and coming back. We were 195 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 1: back with more. Clifton Pole, my man, one of the 196 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 1: great actors in Hollywood. Stay out of the d C. 197 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 1: Nothing wrong with being successful, my friends, especially when you're 198 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: sitting next to success. I want to making conversations. Hi, 199 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 1: this is Sean mcgonald. I'm back Uh in studio, my man, 200 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:51,719 Speaker 1: Clifton Pole. If you are unfamiliar with his work, more 201 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 1: than a hundred If I said a hundred films, TV shows, 202 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 1: some of these credits. You know, Minutes to Society, Wow, 203 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 1: scary movie from a standpoint of an urbans prospective. Did 204 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 1: President is one of my favorite movies? Why Do Foods? 205 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 1: Fall In Love? Rush Hour, Next Friday? That was a 206 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 1: groundbreaker with ice q uh and many many more movies 207 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 1: like There for Uh, You've done You've done plays? Correct plays? Uh? 208 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: Play Dr King and Selma, Lord Selma. You know I 209 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 1: do television. We sha any YPD Blue Uh instant, I've 210 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 1: done almost all the television shows. Uh did Hawaifi five 211 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:31,319 Speaker 1: oh a couple of weeks ago with Luke Gossip and 212 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 1: uh Gladys Knight and Sean McBride and Shot actually wrote 213 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:37,599 Speaker 1: the episode. You know, I just I've just been a 214 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 1: working actor, man. And I never I never had a plan. 215 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 1: I like I tell when I do, I do a 216 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: seminar called Behind the Lens where I talk about every 217 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 1: aspect of the business and and talk about all the 218 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: things that nobody taught me, you know. Um, and I 219 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 1: just want to be a football player, man. And I 220 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 1: don't know how I became an actor. Um uh, I know, 221 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: I know, I don't know. If you know my net 222 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: you James Brown's a sportscaster, so yeah, yeah, CEB NFL 223 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 1: now and so you know j B was an All 224 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: American basketball star. So I was like, man, and he 225 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 1: was such a great guys, always sharp, like you're, always 226 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: personable and always nice to people. And I ended up 227 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 1: playing in the neighborhood and I was fast, and I 228 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 1: ended up going to the MATHA and unfortunately, I just 229 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: I didn't I never grew and I got in trouble 230 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 1: hanging out with my wife six six, my son's six six, 231 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: and I stayed at like ten and uh, but you know, 232 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: since I didn't play football, I transferred from De Matha 233 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:35,679 Speaker 1: and went to St. Anthony's and and let's tell you 234 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 1: something about the Matha. It's like a sports football basketball. 235 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 1: I mean, if you google the Matha, google De Matha. 236 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: And then I ended up going to St. Anthony's and 237 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 1: John Thompson was the basketball coach, so I couldn't play basketball. 238 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:52,319 Speaker 1: So basically I saw a play. I saw a play 239 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 1: and I said, man, I just do the play, just 240 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 1: messing around because you know, back in my day, I 241 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 1: was so chocolate. I couldn't get any girls. I was like, man, 242 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:00,040 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do to play. Maybe I might be a 243 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: girl into play, you know. And then I did the 244 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: play and I heard about a program and then I 245 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 1: got into the program. But I didn't go to go 246 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 1: to the program. I just wrote up with one of 247 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 1: my partners, and they kept asking me to audition for 248 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 1: the program, the acting program. I was like, no, I'm 249 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 1: not worried. I'm not. But then they finally convinced me 250 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 1: and they put me in the program and I stayed 251 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:18,680 Speaker 1: with it, and then it just you know, once I 252 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: got to college, and I came to New York and 253 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 1: seventy nine from seventy eighty nine, and then um, I 254 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 1: got to California, and I just applied all the stuff 255 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 1: that I learned all over over those twenty years and 256 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 1: was just ready to go and prepared when I got there. 257 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: We used the thing about it. When I look at 258 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: a career like yours people, I would tell people, if 259 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 1: you ever dream, follow it, If I ever dream you're 260 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 1: gonna have there, You're gonna have to be uncomfortable. And 261 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: then there's no guarantees, because I know when you went 262 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:47,719 Speaker 1: to l A there were no guarantees and there were 263 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 1: no immediate returns on your investment. How did you keep 264 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 1: moving forward? How did you keep moving for even when 265 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 1: you got one shot didn't mean that second shot came 266 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 1: equally as fast. Yeah, I think, um M. In order 267 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 1: to answer that question, I gotta go back to the 268 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:07,439 Speaker 1: New York days when Denzel and Sam and Angela Bassett 269 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 1: and all of us were poor actors. And in the 270 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 1: morning you got up and you took your picture and resume, 271 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 1: you stapled it. Say you get up at seven you 272 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:18,960 Speaker 1: stay with your pitching resume. You catch the train downtown 273 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 1: or the bus, and you might have ten dollars for 274 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 1: the whole day. You stop an equity office, you walk 275 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 1: the west side during the day, you walk the east 276 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 1: side and eating and drop your pictures off. And then 277 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 1: you might drop off a hundred fifty pictures and never 278 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:34,959 Speaker 1: get a call. So but you keep going because you're 279 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: just determined. So by the time I got to Hollywood 280 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: and eighty nine, I was already in a headset that 281 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 1: nothing's gonna stop me. I'm gonna keep on going because 282 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: at some point somebody is gonna get me a shot. 283 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 1: And one of my buddies, his grandmother, used to say, 284 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 1: as steady drop breaks the rock, you know. So I 285 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 1: was always and so so when I say to young people, 286 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 1: inspect me to all the people listening to young people listening, 287 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 1: preparation versus opportunity. And I always worked harder because I 288 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 1: was the worst act in my program, so I had 289 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 1: to outwork everybody. And I was always prepared, so if 290 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 1: somebody else came in and read off the page, I 291 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:12,479 Speaker 1: had my memorize and I did a performance in the room, 292 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 1: and I just had my father instilled in me. All 293 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: you need is faith size of a mustancy. That's all 294 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: you need. And you did it and I did it. Okay. 295 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 1: So so you you say Rock was basically your first 296 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 1: breakthrough project Rock Rock, Well, I would say house Party. 297 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 1: I did one scene. I had one scene a house party, 298 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 1: and uh, and then I got the call to come 299 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 1: audition for uh Minister Society. And then right around there 300 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 1: I got to call the audition for Rock. But but 301 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 1: in Minister helped a lot. Now let's talk about Ministers side, 302 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 1: because it's it was it was an urban um soft central. Uh. 303 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: I mean, it's some scenes in there, man, when the 304 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 1: kid was reaching for that gun and got shot and 305 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 1: the next thing you know, he's in the emergency wing. 306 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: It's one of one of those uh, the Huge brothers, right, 307 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 1: the Huge they did that. That was I think that 308 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: was the first movie. And so when you did, when 309 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 1: you was invited to do a project like that, that 310 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 1: was so real? How did that affect you? You know, 311 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 1: I gotta be honest with you, I've never been invited 312 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 1: to you know, in the early days anywhere audition, Tupac 313 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 1: got into a fight with the Hughes brothers and too 314 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 1: Short didn't want to. I didn't want to have a 315 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: lot of lines. And I was at a party somebody said, man, 316 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 1: they're looking for this new character. In minutes, somebody played 317 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: this guy named Chauncey. I was like, man, well who 318 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 1: I called? It is the same Castle director, the casting 319 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 1: rock and I just found myself there and a stupid 320 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 1: and they put me in it. And you know, I 321 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 1: knew it was gonna be a special movie. But sometimes 322 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 1: when you shoot a movie, you might shoot the ending 323 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: and getting. But I said, if this movie catches on, 324 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: because it was I mean, we were deep in the 325 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 1: hood with Sean. You couldn't walk to your car, you know. 326 00:15:57,640 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 1: I had to walk to my car with this cat 327 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: name sheen Gun. And it was just really and then 328 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 1: some days the hood guys were shut to set down. 329 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: But I knew that we that the Hughes brothers and 330 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 1: Lorenz and Tyring and the whole production staff was making 331 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 1: something special. And when it came out and hit like 332 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 1: a like a like a whirlwind, yeah, because that that 333 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 1: was the time when you know, when a lot of 334 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: uh violence with the theaters and then so black movies 335 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 1: really couldn't get their play because somehow people fighting in 336 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 1: the seats and all that stuff, and and it gave 337 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 1: a bad rap for movies like that. And but if 338 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 1: you have time, it's one of those movies you need 339 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: to see because it's timeless, just like Dead President. The 340 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 1: President is another one um dead Presidents. They asked me 341 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 1: to come in and read for Spider and Cowboys. Spider 342 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 1: had like a half of line and Cowboy. I wasn't Cowboy, 343 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 1: and and that way I got that movie is I 344 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 1: was so broke. I had a wool suit. It was 345 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 1: ninety nine point nine degrees outside, and I stopped at 346 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 1: art Vark and got me a dob hat. But I 347 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 1: stood up. I stayed up all night long, and I 348 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:08,199 Speaker 1: and I memorized Cutty. And I called my manager and 349 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 1: she's my agent managers, and she said, well, they have 350 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:12,639 Speaker 1: a star name for Cutty. So I did. Cowboy had 351 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:14,920 Speaker 1: a cowboy hat, I had a patch for Spider, and 352 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 1: I had my job hat with my wool suit. I 353 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 1: sweated out for Cutty. And I begged the who you 354 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:21,680 Speaker 1: was brothers to let me read and they said, dude, 355 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 1: we got a star name. I said, just let me 356 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 1: read him. Man uh, And you know they twined, so 357 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 1: you can't tell who he's talking about. So I said, 358 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 1: just let me let me read man. He said, well 359 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 1: you already asked Albert. I was like, well, Alan, can 360 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 1: I read? He said, Cliff, we gotta start name. I said, 361 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:36,479 Speaker 1: just let me read it, and I memorized, and they 362 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 1: finally let me read it. I said, hey, baby girl, 363 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:40,439 Speaker 1: and did the whole thing, and they said, you know what, 364 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 1: You're gonna be cutty, We'll call you. You know. So 365 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 1: part of that that that story is is I was 366 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:48,919 Speaker 1: just so prepared, and I knew that was gonna be 367 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 1: a crazy special movie because right after minutes, you know, 368 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 1: with Chris Tucker and Rands again and and and Terence 369 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:59,159 Speaker 1: Howard hit Man and the music, that thing was special. 370 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:00,920 Speaker 1: It was special. Now, I gotta go back to my 371 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: last statement. I saw you perform, uh Dr Marl Luther King, 372 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:09,160 Speaker 1: and I saw that I saw the movie. Okay, So 373 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 1: how does that opportunity present itself to you? Because it's 374 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:17,160 Speaker 1: really different from your all the character to all tough guys. 375 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 1: Now you now you basically playing an emotional healer. Yeah. Well, 376 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,400 Speaker 1: you know it's it's always fun like your favorite show 377 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:26,160 Speaker 1: Black Lightning, when I'm playing a pastor uh, and it's 378 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 1: so funny. I just did an episode of American Soul 379 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 1: and it looks good. Brother, that looks good. And the 380 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 1: producer said, I've only seen this guy played pastors. Can 381 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 1: he play a tough guy? So I was like, yes, 382 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 1: thank you. Somebody finally realized that I played more than 383 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:45,680 Speaker 1: tough guys. I played doctors, lawyers, you know, I play everything. 384 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:48,879 Speaker 1: But Ruben Cannon, who put me in Why the Foods 385 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:50,919 Speaker 1: Fall in Love? And he put me in Buffalo Soldiers, 386 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:53,879 Speaker 1: and he put me in Women Are Loosed. And I 387 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 1: got a call and they said they want you to 388 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 1: come in and read for Semolo Selmer. I was like, okay, 389 00:18:58,200 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 1: did they call for me? She said, I don't know 390 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:02,120 Speaker 1: what happened. So I got in there anyway, and I said, Ruben, 391 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 1: what's up? He said, clip, what are you doing here? 392 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:06,200 Speaker 1: You always play tough guys? And I stayed up all 393 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:08,879 Speaker 1: night long and watched Eyes on the Prize and I 394 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 1: had my suit, I made my mustache like Dr King's, 395 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 1: and I memorized at his final speech and when I 396 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 1: did it, and and and and they said, well he 397 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:19,920 Speaker 1: has something prepared. I said, now it doesn't matter what happens. Now, 398 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:26,200 Speaker 1: we've got some difficult days ahead. Lock anybody, I would 399 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 1: like to live a long life, long jep and they said, 400 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 1: you know what, you're gonna be keen, We're gonna figure 401 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 1: it out. And I'm just I'm just thinking. I'm just 402 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:37,399 Speaker 1: glad that God gave me a certain amount of talent 403 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: and versatility to be able to um morph into different characters. 404 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 1: You know, I want thank you for dropping by the 405 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 1: show Man because of the fact that we we meet, 406 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:50,680 Speaker 1: we hugged, shared some bread together. But from afar, I've 407 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 1: admired your talents and be able to share your talents 408 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 1: and also your message to a lot of young people 409 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:57,199 Speaker 1: out there, a lot of growl people out there who 410 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:59,360 Speaker 1: are giving up saying that I can't do it no more. 411 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:02,359 Speaker 1: You're your testament to hey man, keep living your dream 412 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 1: and you have and I'm looking at you going sharp. 413 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:06,679 Speaker 1: You also, I'm like with dieted, you haven't put on 414 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 1: weight sixties Sean, you're looking at me talking about I'm sharp. 415 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 1: I'm looking at you like, man, I gotta get on 416 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 1: your weight. I appreciate it. 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