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Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 1: What's up?

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Speaker 2: Everybody? Welcome to move the sticks, DJ, Bucky together, Buck?

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Speaker 1: How you doing, man?

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Speaker 2: Man? I am good. DJ.

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Speaker 3: We are officially downhill when it comes to getting ready

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Speaker 2: It's crazy to.

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Speaker 3: Think that in a week we'll have like rookies and

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Speaker 2: We'll get some real stuff. We'll see some real images

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Speaker 2: of people on the practice field, so that should be fun.

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Speaker 1: Just starting to figure out some things on my golf swing, Buck,

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Speaker 1: and then football seasons here and I'm screwed, you know,

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Speaker 3: And I know this is where we're gonna see how

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Speaker 2: Are you gonna be dedicated doing that?

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Speaker 3: Are you gonna find a way to sneak out and

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Speaker 3: maybe play nine just to make sure you have some continuity?

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Speaker 2: Like all this stuff, It depends on how good you

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Speaker 2: how does that look?

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Speaker 1: By the way when the players have their backpacks and

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Speaker 2: It worked over well? Great, It's gonna be great for you.

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Speaker 1: That's a good look t Lasco. I'm sure I love that.

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Speaker 1: He'd be a big fan of. Today is the Q

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Speaker 1: and a pod Buck. We teased it with hashtag ask

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Speaker 1: we're going to get to those in just a moment.

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Speaker 1: But two things I wanted to touch on before we

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Speaker 2: I think it's challenging.

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Speaker 3: I think a situation that already had a lot of

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Speaker 3: more difficult for Robert solid navigate. You have a big

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Speaker 3: Robert Sala certainly hasn't tried to temper expectations. He's talked

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Speaker 2: You got to embrace, You got to go all in.

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Speaker 1: And I also come back. I know it's a league

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Speaker 2: When that's what I'm saying you was, there was wide

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Speaker 2: You come over here and look at this all day?

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Speaker 2: We had no worry.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna eliminate this burrowhead Joe Burrow being QB one. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you I did my first look. I've got a couple

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Speaker 3: That's when you're live and you're on it, because now

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Speaker 1: goes on there. And then you're on the horn calling

440
00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:43,879
Speaker 1: guys that aren't going to get picked and trying to

441
00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:46,159
Speaker 1: line them up. You know, as the draft ends, we

442
00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:47,480
Speaker 1: don't have a lot of money to offer bucks, a

443
00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:49,119
Speaker 1: lot of salesmanship, a.

444
00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:50,960
Speaker 2: Lot of opportunity, a lot of opportunities.

445
00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:53,240
Speaker 3: You got to, hey, look at who the guys are

446
00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:55,800
Speaker 3: that have played here that were undrafted.

447
00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:57,480
Speaker 2: We give people legitimatefret.

448
00:17:57,560 --> 00:17:59,440
Speaker 3: You may go somewhere else, you may get a bigger

449
00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:01,400
Speaker 3: signing bonus, but you're not gonna get a real chance.

450
00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:03,760
Speaker 2: You come here, you get a chance to play, all right.

451
00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:07,720
Speaker 1: Next, one most difficult position in college football to evaluate.

452
00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:09,639
Speaker 1: That's different for everybody. I'll get your answer here, and

453
00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:11,480
Speaker 1: what are some tips in that process?

454
00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:15,000
Speaker 3: I think the challenge that I always had was scouting

455
00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:21,400
Speaker 3: offensive linemen, just trying to ask The top ones are

456
00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:24,080
Speaker 3: easy because they have it all the balancing body control.

457
00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:26,480
Speaker 3: The harder ones are the developmental guys that are going

458
00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:28,800
Speaker 3: to make it the guys that are drafted in the

459
00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:31,160
Speaker 3: fifth and sixth round that you're saying, hey, this guy

460
00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:33,800
Speaker 3: has an opportunity to do it. And so for me,

461
00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:36,199
Speaker 3: a lot of it was is he always on the

462
00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:39,479
Speaker 3: ground or not. If he's always on the ground, man,

463
00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:41,920
Speaker 3: it's hard. It's hard to sell that guy. If he's

464
00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:46,399
Speaker 3: on his feet, he's upright, even if it looks bad.

465
00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:50,200
Speaker 3: Sometimes those guys find a way to play because look,

466
00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:53,119
Speaker 3: if you're playing inside, you're playing with your neighbors. You know,

467
00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:55,359
Speaker 3: he understands how to use body help or whatever. But

468
00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:58,760
Speaker 3: for me, the challenge was always offensive lineman, trying to

469
00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:01,200
Speaker 3: find those developmental guys who not only had the trades

470
00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:03,040
Speaker 3: but had enough game.

471
00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:06,320
Speaker 2: Production that you feel good enough to put a draftable

472
00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:06,720
Speaker 2: grade on.

473
00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:09,760
Speaker 1: That's interesting, and it's different for every person. Every scout

474
00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:11,280
Speaker 1: will tell you a different answer on that on what

475
00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:14,199
Speaker 1: position for them is difficult offensive lineman. For me, I

476
00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:16,240
Speaker 1: had a higher hit rate on that when I self

477
00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:18,440
Speaker 1: scouted than I did on some other positions, just because

478
00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:22,240
Speaker 1: old Ron Marsnak since passed away. Old scout when I

479
00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:24,440
Speaker 1: first started talked about if you just if you will

480
00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:30,200
Speaker 1: just hang your hat with offensive lineman on toughness, intelligence, durability,

481
00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:32,520
Speaker 1: like and guys that have played a lot of ball, like,

482
00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:34,200
Speaker 1: those guys are going to have a high floor. You're

483
00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:36,000
Speaker 1: not gonna whiff on those guys, and you need to

484
00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:37,840
Speaker 1: You need to put the whatever you think a grade

485
00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:40,240
Speaker 1: is on an offensive lineman and a corner both those

486
00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:42,720
Speaker 1: positions you got to remember, Yeah, you got to go

487
00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:45,240
Speaker 1: one notch higher, whether that's around by your system, whether

488
00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:47,400
Speaker 1: that's a grade, but you'll never get to pick one.

489
00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:49,640
Speaker 1: If you grade them exactly as you see them, You'll

490
00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:51,879
Speaker 1: never get them because everybody has to put you have

491
00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:53,920
Speaker 1: to move them up. So that that was the offensive

492
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Speaker 1: line thing that helped me over the years. I got

493
00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:58,119
Speaker 1: in trouble when I got in Namber with athleticism, and

494
00:19:58,160 --> 00:19:59,959
Speaker 1: I'm like, ah, he's not that he didn't have core strength.

495
00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:02,119
Speaker 1: Maybe he's like some of the some of the games

496
00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:04,400
Speaker 1: and twists. I don't I worry about him mentally, but man,

497
00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:07,240
Speaker 1: look how look how quick an agile he is. Like that,

498
00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:08,920
Speaker 1: I get you in trouble. So those are the warning

499
00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:11,720
Speaker 1: signs there for me. The difficult position with safety, that's

500
00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:13,600
Speaker 1: been the one that I've had the hardest time with

501
00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,280
Speaker 1: because in the college game. The way the game's played,

502
00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:18,240
Speaker 1: you can kind of take the safety out of the game,

503
00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:21,800
Speaker 1: so to speak. So that you know, in terms of

504
00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:24,560
Speaker 1: trying to help through that process of tackling has been

505
00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:26,600
Speaker 1: you know, a big thing over the years with the

506
00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:28,439
Speaker 1: way that the game is right now, your safeties have

507
00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:31,480
Speaker 1: to be able to tackle, take good angles. Can you

508
00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:33,840
Speaker 1: can you run the ally we talked about on pod before.

509
00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:35,439
Speaker 1: You got to be able to do two or three things.

510
00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:37,200
Speaker 1: So can you play the can you play the post?

511
00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:37,800
Speaker 2: Uh?

512
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Speaker 1: Could you cover in the slot as a nickel? Or

513
00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:41,800
Speaker 1: could you be a forced player down low? Like, you

514
00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:42,960
Speaker 1: don't have to do all three, but you gotta be

515
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Speaker 1: able to do two of the three. So you know,

516
00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:46,600
Speaker 1: look at that checklist that that's been something that's helped

517
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Speaker 1: me with safeties.

518
00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:47,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

519
00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:50,119
Speaker 3: Safety's is a tough, tough position because it's one of

520
00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:51,960
Speaker 3: the positions that a lot of times when you're sitting

521
00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,479
Speaker 3: in the meeting is viewed as the throwaway position.

522
00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:56,239
Speaker 2: Hey man, we're gonna put the slow corner. We'll move

523
00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:56,840
Speaker 2: him to safety.

524
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Speaker 3: You know, he can be a safety and really, man

525
00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:01,639
Speaker 3: to say, safety is a vital part of the defense

526
00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:03,840
Speaker 3: because their traffic costs between the mic lineback and the safe,

527
00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:05,879
Speaker 3: there's a lot of communication that has to take place,

528
00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:07,840
Speaker 3: and so that safety not only has to do the

529
00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:10,400
Speaker 3: things you talk about being interposed, being in the box,

530
00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:12,719
Speaker 3: being able to line up in the slot. They have

531
00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,159
Speaker 3: to be high IQ players in my estimation, because they

532
00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:17,720
Speaker 3: got to deal with a lot of changes and checks

533
00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,280
Speaker 3: and getting everybody on the same page. And so it

534
00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:25,120
Speaker 3: is a very difficult position to evaluate, and it's one

535
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Speaker 3: that depending on the makeup of your defense, you can

536
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Speaker 3: get a bunch of different body types and a bunch

537
00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:32,439
Speaker 3: of different players with different styles that can play and

538
00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:33,400
Speaker 3: function for a long time.

539
00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:33,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

540
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Speaker 1: The last thing on safetyes I would say is you

541
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Speaker 1: try and see if they play with a pause button

542
00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:39,400
Speaker 1: like they have to. They have to have good eyes

543
00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:40,920
Speaker 1: and they have to trust their eyes. So do they

544
00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:42,480
Speaker 1: do they see it and go? Do they play faster?

545
00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,080
Speaker 1: Is their hesitancy? Hesitancy you're dead at that position. You

546
00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:48,080
Speaker 1: cannot you cannot sit back their thinking process. You have

547
00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:51,080
Speaker 1: to be able to react and go. So anyways, that

548
00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:53,200
Speaker 1: that's a position. Still, my batting average that position is

549
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Speaker 1: probably the lowest of any of any positions.

550
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Speaker 2: It's hard, man, It's a hard position.

551
00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,440
Speaker 1: For me to get. But yeah, I mean everybody has one.

552
00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:00,560
Speaker 2: Oh everyone.

553
00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,119
Speaker 3: I'll just tell you, man, the offensive Lotman. I told

554
00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,960
Speaker 3: you I was confounded for so long about those guys

555
00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,840
Speaker 3: just not being able to like figure out who's who

556
00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:12,879
Speaker 3: and whats what The top ones. Yes, yeah, those fourth

557
00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,119
Speaker 3: to seventh rounders, those are the one that are more

558
00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:15,840
Speaker 3: challenging for me.

559
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting. Every scout has their own answer on

560
00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:20,280
Speaker 1: that one. All Right, this is kind of a long question,

561
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Speaker 1: so I'm going to try and get through this here.

562
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:25,800
Speaker 1: We often talk about how temperature affects QB play. What

563
00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,680
Speaker 1: is the impact on the physicality of a defense, especially

564
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Speaker 1: one who plays home games in a dome, and how

565
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Speaker 1: does this impact the playoffs where many of the likely

566
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Speaker 1: suspects to host games Kansas City, Buffalo SINCINNTI, Philadelphia outdoors

567
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:40,879
Speaker 1: and get very cold in January. Since the twenty ten season,

568
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Speaker 1: among the eleven teams that play home games and domes,

569
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,639
Speaker 1: there have only been three Super Bowl appearances, the Rams

570
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,480
Speaker 1: twice and the Falcons, with one win going to the

571
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Speaker 1: Rams our dome teams at a disadvantage come playoff time.

572
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:53,320
Speaker 1: That's actually a really good question.

573
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,760
Speaker 3: That is a really good question, I would say, yes,

574
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Speaker 3: they can be at a disadvantage, particularly playing road a

575
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:02,439
Speaker 3: lot of times. Man, when you build your team to

576
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,600
Speaker 3: play in the dome, think of it this way back

577
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:07,280
Speaker 3: when we had a sixteen game season, you knew that

578
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 3: you had eight games that were at home on a

579
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Speaker 3: fast track. You would then say, okay, so we play

580
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 3: eight games there. Maybe the schedule is split, so now

581
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:18,160
Speaker 3: we're playing maybe four additional games on turf on another

582
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:22,359
Speaker 3: fast surface. So twelve of your games it's about speed,

583
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:25,160
Speaker 3: exploseness or whatever. Well, then you go into the playoffs

584
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:29,200
Speaker 3: and you play Chicago in Soldier Field in December. In January,

585
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,120
Speaker 3: the field is thick, and so now you got this

586
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:36,480
Speaker 3: track team that needs to play like mutters, and so

587
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:39,879
Speaker 3: it can be a difficult thing. And so if you

588
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,199
Speaker 3: are a dome team and you build your team to

589
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,439
Speaker 3: really thrive in the dome, you got to hit on

590
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Speaker 3: it because then it's what we talked about. You got

591
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Speaker 3: to play to get home games so you can take

592
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:52,480
Speaker 3: advantage of the strength of your team. If not, you

593
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 3: had the mercy of weather other conditions, it doesn't set you.

594
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Speaker 2: You don't set yourself up to win long term.

595
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, you build your team to win your division. You

596
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 1: build your team to fit your city, to fit your environment.

597
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:05,879
Speaker 1: I think to the Colts teams, you know with Peyton

598
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,959
Speaker 1: that won a zillion of those divisions and they wanted

599
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 1: the playoffs. It was either going to go to Foxborough

600
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 1: or through Indy, and it was a huge You think

601
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 1: about the disadvantage for Indie going to Foxboro. Dang, it

602
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 1: was a huge advantage with their speed, with those two

603
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:21,880
Speaker 1: you know, missiles coming off the edge and their edge rushers.

604
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 1: Playing in that dome where it's loud. That's the other

605
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:25,440
Speaker 1: side of it. When you play in a dome, it's

606
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,920
Speaker 1: louder than it is in an outside stadium, So you

607
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 1: can you can build your advantages. Now the key is

608
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,199
Speaker 1: you got to get home field advantage. But it was

609
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 1: the same. I mean, look, this has been said forget domes,

610
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:37,920
Speaker 1: like the West Coast teams, the forty nine ers back

611
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 1: in their run, like you know that gosh, they want

612
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Speaker 1: to be able to play, you know, at home. They

613
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:43,439
Speaker 1: don't want to have to go to Soldier Field and

614
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 1: have to play the Bears in the playoffs like during

615
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Speaker 1: the eighties. And you know, during that period of time,

616
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Speaker 1: even though they had some success doing it forty nine

617
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:51,199
Speaker 1: ers proved that.

618
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 2: They could do both.

619
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Speaker 1: They could have a team that's efficient offensively, but they

620
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 1: could also build a physical defense. Even though they were

621
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Speaker 1: quote unquote West Coast team that people might have thought

622
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 1: might be soft, that wasn't the case.

623
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Speaker 3: No, And that's what it is, like people talk about,

624
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 3: like the softness in those things, like the physicality and

625
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 3: stuff still always has to be baked into the equation.

626
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 3: You have to have a physical team to win in

627
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 3: a national football that you can't win with finesse. What

628
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 3: we're talking about doing in terms of building teams for

629
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 3: your environment is being able to look at your home field,

630
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:24,439
Speaker 3: being able to look at the rest of the vision

631
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,679
Speaker 3: and the probability of where you're going to play your games.

632
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 3: Your team needs to be built to play in those

633
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 3: environments against those teams that also play in those environments.

634
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,359
Speaker 3: And so it's a little bit of what your own

635
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,680
Speaker 3: philosophy is while taking it into account. This is who

636
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 3: we're going to have to play, and this is who

637
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:41,440
Speaker 3: we're going to have to knock off to be the

638
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:42,919
Speaker 3: team that can win the division.

639
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, good question though, all right here we go next

640
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:47,439
Speaker 1: to one. Is there a day of practice and your

641
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 1: guys playing crazy. You remember as the most grueling that

642
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 1: you still remember to this day.

643
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 2: Most grueling.

644
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,919
Speaker 3: Look, I just always go back to not only college,

645
00:25:58,920 --> 00:25:59,919
Speaker 3: I'll go back to high school.

646
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 2: I go back to my high school. Coach. He's in

647
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame North Carolina. His name is Earl Smith.

648
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 2: And I just remember Coach Smith standing at the gate

649
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 2: at Milburg High School. You come through with your back.

650
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,360
Speaker 2: Then you had your little spirit pack, your bag, had

651
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 2: your little mesh bag with all your clothes in it.

652
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:19,920
Speaker 3: And Coach Murphy's like, guys, today, you gotta get your ticket.

653
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:24,119
Speaker 3: We're going to the County Fair, and so dj the

654
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:32,640
Speaker 3: County Fair is a sixth station agility circuit with bags, cones, shuttles.

655
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,919
Speaker 3: You're doing up downs and going. It's all the stuff

656
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 3: that you kind of see in like the junction and

657
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 3: city boys like And I just remember those first two

658
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 3: weeks of practice when you start August first, it's hot

659
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 3: in North Carolina. It's like ninety degrees with ninety degree humanity, right,

660
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 3: and it's just a bear. And I ain't no just

661
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 3: mandatory water breaks. You get water breaks when Coach would

662
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 3: get me because remember this this is day that yeah, coach. Ever,

663
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 3: coach would give your break, thanks coach, and snap off

664
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 3: your thing and then you run and get like a

665
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 3: little swig of what do you run back.

666
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 2: Right back out? Yeah?

667
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:14,640
Speaker 3: And so I just remember the county Fair in high

668
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 3: school and just if you can make it through the

669
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 3: county Fair, it gave you a right of passes to

670
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 3: get ready for the season.

671
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 2: I love that. I love that. I love that.

672
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: My two moments would be not not in high school,

673
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 1: which there were some good ones there, then at Northeast

674
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:31,959
Speaker 1: Louisiana and the heat and the bugs and all that

675
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,159
Speaker 1: stuff that that was not good. I'll give you one.

676
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 1: I'll give you quick one from Northeast. I remember they

677
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 1: had all. I grew up in San Diego, right, so

678
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 1: this is all foreign to me. It's that first practice

679
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 1: on the way out of on the way on the

680
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 1: way out of the locker room, I'm the only guy

681
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 1: from I think the two guys from California on the team.

682
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 1: I'm walking. I'm walking out of the locker room, red

683
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 1: shirt freshman quarterback, like one of the first days practice.

684
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 1: I can still see it, and there's all these carousel cans,

685
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 1: like as you're walking out of the locker room, and

686
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, god's kind of weird, like what is that?

687
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 1: And it looks like maybe hairspray or something.

688
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:03,679
Speaker 2: I don't know.

689
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 1: I'm not messing with it. So I go out there

690
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 1: practice ends, I come back in, Man, I'm like, gosh,

691
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,479
Speaker 1: my body feels weird, like I got these bumps all

692
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 1: over me, Like what's going on? Like, dude, you get

693
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 1: like fifty mosquito bites? Did you not put the mosquito

694
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 1: spray on on the way out there? I'm like, that's

695
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 1: what that was, Like, yeah, you could put that on

696
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,119
Speaker 1: every day before practice. Like I never seen mosquito spray.

697
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 1: I never seen mosquitos.

698
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 3: Wow, that's one thing that I never really thought about,

699
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 3: like mosquito spray.

700
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 2: That's what.

701
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 1: Oh yeah it was because the practice right on the bayou,

702
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 1: like the there's like the freaking swamp right behind the

703
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 1: practice field. So yeah, I learned that lesson. But anyways,

704
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 1: the two quick ones from app State number one we had,

705
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 1: Like I'm sure you had these throughout your career. Like

706
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 1: you get say, it's a twenty four period practice. For

707
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 1: those that don't know, a period of practice would be

708
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 1: five in five minute session and you have it on

709
00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,239
Speaker 1: the scoreboard, it would say the number one, and then

710
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 1: they have a clock to five minutes. As soon as

711
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 1: that five minutes ends, you're onto period two. And the

712
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: script of the practice shows you like, okay, periods three

713
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: through six we're doing inside run, you know, seven on seven,

714
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: Periods ten through thirteen, whatever, it's all scripted out. That's

715
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 1: how you you have the practice buck. We were in like

716
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 1: period sixteen and we had a bunch of screw ups

717
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 1: and you I know you've been there, and they say,

718
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: everybody into the locker room, come back out. Period one

719
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 1: on the on the scoreboard, we're starting the whole buck.

720
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: We had to be an hour half into practice, start

721
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: over stretches, getting your stretch lines, starting over. That wasn't

722
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 1: good enough. But I remember thinking like, ah, maybe this

723
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 1: is why these guys are good, Like they don't mess

724
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 1: around up here. So that was That was the other one.

725
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 1: This is my worst one. So I'm a quarterback. It

726
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 1: was a passing quarterback in high school. Go to Northeast

727
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 1: Louisiana and we threw the ball a lot. They use

728
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: me on some some option stuff. Oh you get the

729
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 1: app state. We get tough the regular season. My first year,

730
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 1: get to the season. We get to spring ball, so

731
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: we go through the first couple of days you're in

732
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 1: you know, you're sure. It's the next couple of days

733
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: you're in shells, and then like the first full padded

734
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 1: practice day.

735
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 2: Fuck.

736
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 1: I go to my locker and I'm like, okay, they

737
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 1: equip my guy, WILLI T. I think was named WILLI T.

738
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 1: I'm like Willy Willy. He's like, what's up. I'm like, hey, man,

739
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 1: where's the red jersey? I got a white jersey hanging

740
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 1: up in here? Like, where's my where's my don't hit

741
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 1: me red jersey? Goes, You'll get a red jersey in

742
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 1: the spring. I go, excuse me?

743
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 2: He goes, yeah, no.

744
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:28,959
Speaker 1: Quarterback app state quarterbacks. You guys are full go I said, well,

745
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 1: hold up, I said, we got a lot. We got

746
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 1: a lot of Night on seven today, and I think

747
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: I saw like a lot of QB follow speed option.

748
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm live.

749
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 2: He's like, oh Live is chicken wire? Oh what the heck?

750
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 2: Am I going to school here? Oh? Yeah? Oh yeah.

751
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 1: That was a tough one.

752
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 3: As someone who is a wide receiver in an option offense.

753
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 3: My senior season, I have a lot of appreciation for

754
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 3: the live live period.

755
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 1: Hey dude, just so you know, we had we had

756
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: and and the other thing is like the way we

757
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 1: ran it, like we ran g load option, so like

758
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 1: you're take a step, yeah, we're going so and like

759
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: it wasn't the most complicated thing in the world. We had.

760
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: I had at the line of scrimmage, I had to

761
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 1: identify who our pitchman was going to be. So, in

762
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 1: other words, who are we not going to block and

763
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 1: who are we going to pitch off of. Usually it's

764
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 1: a force player. So if it's cover two, I'm gonna

765
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 1: identify the corner. If they're rolling down in a Cover three,

766
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna identify the strong safety. Maybe it's the will linebacker,

767
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 1: depending on what the look you get. But the way

768
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 1: we identified it was it was part of our cadence.

769
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 1: So maybe like blue twenty four Blue. So now now

770
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: the receivers know, okay, we're not we're not blocking twenty four.

771
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 1: Twenty four is unblocked. The freaking defense has been there forever.

772
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: They know exactly when I when I call it out,

773
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, I'm like, so it'ould be like

774
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 1: a Cover two and I got the corner right here.

775
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: So I'm like Blue twenty four, I'd see like the

776
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 1: backside safety like starting. I'm like, everybody in the whole

777
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 1: stadium knows we're running g load option right now.

778
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:05,479
Speaker 2: And I'll tell you what.

779
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 1: I didn't make it to the pitch man, I can

780
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:12,959
Speaker 1: promise you that when he got about five yards. But hey,

781
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 1: you gotta attack the force player. I'm like, no, on

782
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 1: the spring, you don't.

783
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 3: Know. So that brings me to when I was in

784
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 3: North Carolina, the days that we used to hate because

785
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 3: I told you, we played an option so wide receivers

786
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 3: could cut. Oh, and so our own Red Lewis always

787
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 3: talks about he was the master cutter at Indiana. I

788
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 3: hated cut blocking. There's nothing about me that likes like one.

789
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 2: Getting dirty, rolling around and all that.

790
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 3: And so the dB spent all their time hitting the

791
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 3: big ball because to event to prevent getting cut, you

792
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 3: gotta sholfle shuffle, hit the big ball and.

793
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 2: Then you go. So that's what they work on. And

794
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 2: I'll never forget.

795
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 3: Man, we're playing, we're doing all this other stuff in practice.

796
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 3: And guy Rondale Jones, who went on to play for

797
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 3: the Denver Broncos, he was like, man, I'm tired of

798
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 3: y'all cutting me. And so you're cutting, y'all gotta hit us.

799
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 3: Y'all be a man. You gotta hit me straight up.

800
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 2: And DJ, we look at my guy. I hate to

801
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 2: put him on playsts, but Joey Joey Yak was our guy.

802
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 2: He was the cut specialists.

803
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 3: And DJ, you look up on the other side of

804
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 3: the field, Rondale has Joey Yak in a full chokehold.

805
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he's not He's not playing anymore. He's not

806
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 1: playing anymore.

807
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 3: He tried to cut him and he big balled him

808
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 3: and he fell on top of him and he choked him.

809
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 1: He choked him out.

810
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 2: He joked him about so college.

811
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 4: Springball because that's when you really like springball was an

812
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 4: it turned it was like what fifteen days, but it

813
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 4: seemed like fifteen days of pads. But just when you're

814
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 4: in the option and you're cutting, guys in the DBS

815
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 4: are like, hey.

816
00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: Man, I'm tired of y'all cut.

817
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 2: Quit coming. You're coming shoulders, over knees, overtoes, You're coming

818
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 2: too fast. I can't block you when you're running.

819
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 1: That's where that's where the phrase for those that aren't

820
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 1: like had that didn't play. They might not know the

821
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,879
Speaker 1: phrase of brother in law like you, brother in law man,

822
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 1: Hey man, hey, but before before the snap like head nod,

823
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 1: like hey, I'm supposed to cut you right now, just

824
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: so you.

825
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 2: Know, don't be coming. Don't come.

826
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 1: It's an easy because then I'm gonna have.

827
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 2: To cut you. Yeah.

828
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, So just so we know this is gonna be

829
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 1: a stalemate here, I'm not I'm not winning, you're not losing.

830
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 2: That's called a brother in law repay. We see. Yeah,

831
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 2: I'm gonna grab your jersey, you grab me. We're just

832
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 2: gonna go back and forth. They could look. You make

833
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:44,760
Speaker 2: sure you make sure.

834
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 3: You tell me when the running backs getting close, so

835
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 3: I don't get pulled up on.

836
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 2: I don't get run up on because that's always a fear.

837
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 2: So everyone is looking rich is hide knee in iplight.

838
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 1: Just that's it, brother in law man, it's a brother

839
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: in law rep It's the key part of football. You know,

840
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 1: you don't know it, you ain't played it. I can

841
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 1: promise you that that.

842
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 2: Is what it is. Man.

843
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: All right, let's go rapid fire. So we'll each answer one,

844
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 1: so we'll only do one of us will chime in here,

845
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 1: just so we can get through a bunch of these

846
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: and then we'll wrap this thing up here. Okay, here

847
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 1: we go, let's go. Do you think the transfer portal

848
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,280
Speaker 1: has made it more difficult to properly evaluate players?

849
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 3: No, actually, I don't think is made I think what

850
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 3: it had to do is for scouts to change their

851
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 3: normal way of thinking. Before we used to always ding

852
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 3: players who transferred out. We were talking about their lack

853
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 3: of competitiveness and those things.

854
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 2: Why are you leaving? Why didn't you stay in fight

855
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 2: once you go earn the right?

856
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 3: Well, now the transfer porter has opened it up where

857
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 3: people are going to take advantage of better opportunities, and

858
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 3: so you don't hold that against them. So, if anything,

859
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 3: I think it is created and op chances for players,

860
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 3: particularly players who are playing at lower levels to go up,

861
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 3: so now we get to see them against better competition. So,

862
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 3: if anything else, it's been a good thing in that regard.

863
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 3: Even though it's created a little bit of the wild

864
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 3: wild West when it comes to everyone moving around, it

865
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 3: hasn't been a bad thing for NFL scouts.

866
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 2: There you go.

867
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 1: I think I have to answer this one because it's

868
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,439
Speaker 1: from our buddy Sean part of the MTS team wants

869
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 1: to know will the Padre's be good enough to make

870
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: the playoffs so I can see the Phillies again on.

871
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 2: The West coast.

872
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,879
Speaker 1: Well, they play four against the Phillies this weekend, Sean,

873
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:21,439
Speaker 1: So I guess we'll both figure out a lot about

874
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 1: our teams after this weekend. I went optimistic, though, Buck.

875
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 1: I went back through all of my rage tweets during

876
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 1: the Padres struggles. I went back through. I scrubbed them.

877
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 1: I thought, maybe I'm just bringing too much negativity. I'm

878
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: putting too much pressure on these guys. I'm gonna be positive.

879
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 1: So I scrubbed all that negativity. And it's the second half,

880
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 1: fresh start. We'll see how we do.

881
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,240
Speaker 3: I just want to know when we are in twenty

882
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 3: twenty four, are we going to have the same opening

883
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 3: day optimism and enthusiasm and we're ready to go.

884
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 2: We got the best team money can buy. We can

885
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 2: go do it. This is our year. Or are we

886
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 2: gonna learn how to? Are we going to learn how

887
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 2: to just kind of like.

888
00:36:58,320 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 3: Just kind of mute it down, like, hey, we just

889
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 3: going focus on winning month to month.

890
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:03,839
Speaker 2: Hey, let's win, let's win this month.

891
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: No, it is that's what I'm saying it's men in black.

892
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 1: We just we just it is not bad that happened.

893
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 1: And then we go positivity. We're gonna win the whole thing.

894
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:16,879
Speaker 1: All right, here you go, This one's for you. Let's

895
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 1: get to with the addition of Kellen Moore, Quentin Johnson

896
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: and Darius Davis, we've got a couple of tcuers and

897
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 1: the new office Cordon. Kellen Moore, how much do you

898
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,240
Speaker 1: see the usage of Keenan Allen and Mike Williams being

899
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 1: affected charge the question there for you, Buck.

900
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 3: Not much at all, because here's where Kellen Moore has

901
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 3: at the bottom of his.

902
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 2: Place sheet players overplays.

903
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 3: He is going to make sure that a number thirteen

904
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 3: of them, and like Mike Williams, they are going to

905
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 3: touch the ball. Keenan Allen, Mike Williams, they will be

906
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 3: the focal points. Everybody else will eat the crumbs. But

907
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,280
Speaker 3: those guys are gonna get the majority of the targets

908
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 3: and touches and then they'll build it out from there.

909
00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 3: If it's a third person Austin Eckler, those three will

910
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 3: primarily drove the offense. The other guys will have these

911
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 3: hot moments. But now it won't impact their targets and touches.

912
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 2: No doubt.

913
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 1: And I think if you look at the success of

914
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: the Cowboys and the receivers that have had success, think

915
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,839
Speaker 1: about Amari Cooper, think about Ceedee Lamb route runners. Keenan

916
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 1: Allen is the route runner, so he wants absolutely a

917
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: route runner. Yeahs a rout runner.

918
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 3: He's gonna make sure he gets plenty of opportunities to

919
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 3: get busy.

920
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 1: Here we go. Next one will be your philosophy as

921
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 1: a GM. Never pay a rookie QB with the rookie coach.

922
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,399
Speaker 1: Design your team to win the division. Never trade within

923
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 1: the division. I would say on the first one, I

924
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 1: do not like the idea of a rookie quarterback with

925
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:39,839
Speaker 1: a rookie coach. That will be something I would try

926
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 1: to avoid. Design your team to win the division. Of

927
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,399
Speaker 1: course we've talked about that. You always build your team

928
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,240
Speaker 1: around your environment. That's important. Never trade within the division.

929
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: I don't care about that. I think that's an old

930
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: school thought. I think new school thinking is you're fine,

931
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: you know, just you want to know about what's coming

932
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 1: to you, not what's going to them.

933
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 3: And you already know, like if you're ruling the part way,

934
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 3: you already know what they're dealing with and you know

935
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 3: how to attack it.

936
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 2: One hundred percent.

937
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:05,320
Speaker 1: And the other thing I would say on the rookie

938
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 1: the one exception would be, obviously you hire a rookie

939
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 1: head coach and you're going to bring in you have

940
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 1: the first pick in the draft, and you're going to

941
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:14,959
Speaker 1: get Caleb Williams. Like, would you say, oh, I can't

942
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:16,800
Speaker 1: do that rookie coach or that means you get a

943
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: veteran offensive coordinator. This's got to be you can't have

944
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 1: rookie Ricky Ricky, Ricky, Ricky, Ricky, Ricky. You've got to

945
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 1: have somebody in there that's got the experience. So whether

946
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 1: it's the head coach, whether it's the offensive coordinator, where

947
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: it's quarterback, to me, it's that trifecta. You don't want

948
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:29,800
Speaker 1: to have all three of those guys without any NFL

949
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: experience in that particular role.

950
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 2: That's my opinion. Oh.

951
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 3: Absolutely, you want some diversity in thought in thinking. You

952
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 3: want some experience and expertise. And so the good thing

953
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 3: about a coach and what a coach should do is

954
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,839
Speaker 3: you have to understand our where a whole weare deficiencies

955
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 3: how can I supplement that. Do I need age and

956
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,320
Speaker 3: experience in this room because I got a bunch of

957
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,919
Speaker 3: young players. Do I need a young player to bring

958
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 3: energy with a younger group. All of those things are

959
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 3: part of the process of building your staff and also

960
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 3: building your team.

961
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 1: All right, this is a good one for you. I

962
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 1: think a lot of people wonder about this. For NFL scouts,

963
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: how much of their skills set is about understanding x's

964
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 1: and oo'se versus understanding the techniques and skills when appraising players.

965
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 3: Ooh, I would say a little bit, but not everything.

966
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 3: Because the thing that you can't do, and I used

967
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,919
Speaker 3: to get in trouble with this early, is when you're

968
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 3: kind of like an X and OS guy.

969
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:22,800
Speaker 1: You love it, call the scheme scouts. Scheme scout.

970
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,439
Speaker 3: You get so caught up in watching how the team

971
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 3: is playing, what they're doing, that you don't look at

972
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 3: the player. And so, yeah, you need to have a

973
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 3: base level understanding of what he's being asked to do

974
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 3: and how he's being utilized in the scheme. But you're

975
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 3: still looking at the trades, You're still looking at the athleticism,

976
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 3: You're still looking at.

977
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 2: Some of the core.

978
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 3: Techniques and stuff that they're going to have to be

979
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 3: they're going to be asked to execute at the next

980
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 3: level and.

981
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 2: You go from there.

982
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 3: And so I don't think it is a requirement that

983
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 3: you're like the best schemer. I think you just need

984
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 3: to know enough to understand what they're being asked to

985
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 3: do so you can evaluate them in the role that

986
00:40:58,280 --> 00:40:59,240
Speaker 3: they're being asked to play.

987
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: If I was going to put a letter grade on it,

988
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 1: I would say to me, as a scout, you're responsible

989
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 1: to get a information in terms of the makeup of

990
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 1: the player, Like that's you need to know about what

991
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 1: the makeup is, what makes this guy work off the field,

992
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: how that translates on the field. Scout, I have to

993
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:20,280
Speaker 1: have a there you look at athleticism and traits and skills.

994
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: I think you know. The beauty of having done it

995
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 1: for a long time. We've each done this for over

996
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 1: twenty years now, is that you've seen enough of guys

997
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 1: to know what it looks like. Sometimes it can be

998
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: hard to define, but you know what it looks like

999
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 1: at each position. You know, we talked about our prototype series.

1000
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 1: You go back through that, you can listen to it

1001
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 1: what you're looking for. I think you need to have

1002
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 1: a information there in terms of being identified this guy.

1003
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: Some guys just say this guy can't move well enough

1004
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 1: to do the job he's going to need to do

1005
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 1: at the next level. So I think they're the scheme stuff.

1006
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 1: I always tell like, you just got to have a

1007
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 1: C level understanding of that because eventually it's going to

1008
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: get to our coaches, and our coaches are going to

1009
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 1: be able to sit down with him. I'm going to

1010
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,720
Speaker 1: You can sit here and say, I have a master's

1011
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 1: degree in football and I'm talking about you could be

1012
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer, But you don't know what this

1013
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:03,320
Speaker 1: kid's been told. You don't know what he's been taught,

1014
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:04,280
Speaker 1: you don't know what they're.

1015
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:04,879
Speaker 2: Asking him to do.

1016
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 1: We can assume this is what it should be, but

1017
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 1: you don't know for certain this is how they're coaching

1018
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 1: it and what they're asking him to do. So until

1019
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 1: you get in the room with him, you're not gonna

1020
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 1: get that information. There's the basic core understanding where you

1021
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: could say, oh, gosh, I know he busted on this

1022
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 1: or that, But for the most part, to me, that's

1023
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: a baseline understanding that you need to have. I don't

1024
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 1: think you have to have a master's degree in exis

1025
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 1: and o's to be a scout.

1026
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 2: No.

1027
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 3: And you know, every scout has different strengths, and so

1028
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 3: if I'm a general manager, I want to make sure

1029
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 3: that if I have eight different scouts roles that I

1030
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 3: need to feel, I'm going to make sure that I

1031
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 3: have a diverse group in terms of thought, experience, playing

1032
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 3: experience where they come from, because everybody has a different strength.

1033
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 3: And so for me, there's some guys that are great

1034
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 3: at getting the background.

1035
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 2: Man.

1036
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 3: You can put them on the campus and they'll know

1037
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 3: the janitor and everybody and they will come away with

1038
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 3: great information that is essential to put in the report.

1039
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 3: Then there are other guys that are great evalue weight

1040
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 3: is of the athleticism and tools and traits and those things.

1041
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 3: There are other guys who have a terrific database in

1042
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 3: terms of being able to recall players that have been

1043
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 3: drafted in certain routes who've had success and being able

1044
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 3: to cross reference the traits of a current prospect with

1045
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 3: those traits. And so it is about figuring out what

1046
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 3: you're really good at and then being able to sell

1047
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 3: this so when people hire you, they put you in

1048
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 3: a role that really fits your skill set.

1049
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 1: To me, I've found just personally, the thing that is

1050
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 1: most beneficial is having built up a database of players

1051
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 1: to be able to fall back on. In other words,

1052
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 1: people can say comparisons, you'll like them, you don't like them.

1053
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 1: I think they're the instrumental in terms of the evaluation process.

1054
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 1: And having having done it the longer period of time,

1055
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 1: you just add you throw more players into that database

1056
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: that you can go back and look through your notes

1057
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 1: when they were coming out. You can go back and

1058
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 1: look through your record. You can look through numbers, and

1059
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 1: you can look through makeup and you can say, Man,

1060
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 1: this guy is this, this, this, and this and that

1061
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 1: other player that had this, this, this, and this was

1062
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 1: really successful. So that gives me more courage to be

1063
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:00,080
Speaker 1: able to put that big grade on them on off

1064
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:00,359
Speaker 1: we go.

1065
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 3: I'm with your DJ because I think experiences life's greatest

1066
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 3: teacher in the scouting business. That is also true. I'm

1067
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 3: sure I've shared, But in my lifetime I have played

1068
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 3: with or worked during the fifteen Hall of Famers. So

1069
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 3: thirteen Hall of Fame players that I played with, two

1070
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 3: coaches and an executive that were well, one coach and

1071
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 3: one exact that were Hall of famers, and so what

1072
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 3: happens with those players? You see the best of the best,

1073
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 3: and so that gives you a working knowledge of like, well,

1074
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 3: here's what the best is. When we talk about a

1075
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 3: to oho on the grade, like, we've seen what those

1076
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 3: guys look like. And so now you're working out. So

1077
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:42,240
Speaker 3: then when you start working for teams, you draft certain

1078
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:44,839
Speaker 3: players high. So for me at the Carolina Panthers when

1079
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 3: they took Julius Peppers, like, you see what a number

1080
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 3: two overall pick it's supposed to look like. And once

1081
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 3: you start experiencing those things, it forever changes your eyes.

1082
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 3: So now when you're looking we're talking about, hey, man,

1083
00:44:57,920 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 3: this is a top five player, where you're taking a

1084
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:01,919
Speaker 3: gets the top five that you've either been a part

1085
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 3: of drafting, and you're saying like, okay, these guys are

1086
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 3: comparable in terms of their dominance or all of that

1087
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 3: other stuff. And so yeah, the experience of being around

1088
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 3: the game and of compiling that database should enable you

1089
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:16,839
Speaker 3: to become a better scout in time.

1090
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 1: That's really interesting, man, it's so cool you've been able

1091
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 1: to be around those guys and be able to have

1092
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 1: that influence and see that we always talk about you know,

1093
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 1: my time when just being around the Ravens during that

1094
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 1: time we had prototypes talking during the prototype series to

1095
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 1: be able to say, this is what it looks like,

1096
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 1: this is what it's supposed to be at the highest

1097
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,280
Speaker 1: highest level. Now, I'm not going to find another Jonathan

1098
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,359
Speaker 1: Ogder and Ed Reid or Ray Lewis, but I can

1099
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 1: find what some of those things that made those guys great.

1100
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 1: Do they have those components?

1101
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 2: You know?

1102
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 1: And so I think that's that your history. And that's

1103
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: why Phil Savage used to always say, and I kind

1104
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 1: of understood it at the time when I started, but

1105
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 1: now I definitely understand it as somebody who's had more

1106
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 1: time in it said, maybe the most important job of

1107
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 1: a scout is keeping good records. Oh yeah, And I

1108
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 1: thought about that. I was like, you know what, You're right,

1109
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 1: because if you can't access all that knowledge and information

1110
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 1: that you've acquired over the years, if it's going to

1111
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 1: you know, maybe you forget this out.

1112
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 3: Man.

1113
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 1: If you keep detailed notes you have used to be notebooks.

1114
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 1: Now you can do it digitally through your laptop or

1115
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 1: what have you. But being able to go back and

1116
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 1: access that information and knowledge is.

1117
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 2: Huge because you learn from the hits and the missus. Yes,

1118
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 2: you learn from those things.

1119
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:24,840
Speaker 3: Like we said here early we talked about Pat Mahomes

1120
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 3: and like now we were like, oh, why didn't we

1121
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:29,439
Speaker 3: get my top five pick? I mean, you know those things.

1122
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 3: But like you learn from being able to review. And

1123
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 3: I think that is the other part when you talk

1124
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,399
Speaker 3: about the database and being able to compile it. What

1125
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 3: you want to do is you want to keep your

1126
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 3: standards high. And in this industry, a lot of times

1127
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:47,319
Speaker 3: it's easy to change things draft to draft. But the

1128
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:49,919
Speaker 3: greatest evaluate is that I've ever been around, that you've

1129
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 3: ever been around, they have this ideal that they don't

1130
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 3: change from. And so when they talk about like hey man, yeah,

1131
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 3: this guy in this draft, they're talking about him being

1132
00:46:58,440 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 3: a top five.

1133
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 2: But in our grade instance, he wouldn't grate.

1134
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 3: As a top five no all the time, and so

1135
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:06,240
Speaker 3: you keep you this so you give him the grade

1136
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 3: that he would get and said, hey, in this draft,

1137
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 3: he may go top five, but we don't see him

1138
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 3: as a top five talent.

1139
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 2: And so that's.

1140
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, you have to be a hard grader because you

1141
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 3: always want to keep those ideals in mind because you're

1142
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,720
Speaker 3: trying to build a championship team, and that is the standard.

1143
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 2: Those guys have to play at the championship level.

1144
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 1: All right, A couple of questions left here. We got

1145
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 1: to crank through this. Yere one of them. This was

1146
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 1: for me asking how the fishing was going. Haven't haven't

1147
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:33,399
Speaker 1: been back out to the pond of fish anymore. We're letting.

1148
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 1: Theyve got about seven eight left in there, still feeding them.

1149
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 1: They're well taken care of. We got to we're regrouping.

1150
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 1: We're in a regrouping phase right now. Are they still

1151
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 1: how to get them out? Are they still enjoying the

1152
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 1: chicken chick fil A? You know, we've gone back to

1153
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 1: the standard pond food from Petco, so it's no more

1154
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 1: Chick fil A. They're doing well and they don't have

1155
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 1: to share it with as many of their friends anymore.

1156
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 2: So nice.

1157
00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:01,879
Speaker 1: The here's one for you. Top three favorite football stadiums.

1158
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,879
Speaker 3: Ooh, we're talking about college or pro. We're just talking

1159
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 3: about any a dealer's choice, dealer's choice. So I watched

1160
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 3: Michigan play Ohio State in the Big House.

1161
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 2: Fell in love with that.

1162
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 3: I think anytime you have an opportunity to go to

1163
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 3: SEC Country and watch a game in a swamp.

1164
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 2: I would advocate for that.

1165
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 3: And then look, I'm being a bit of a homer,

1166
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 3: But there's nothing like watching a big game, a big

1167
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:31,720
Speaker 3: primetime night game in the coliseum when USC is good

1168
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 3: and the other team is market USC Notre Dame in

1169
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 3: the coliseum at a late kickoff.

1170
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 2: Sign me up, put me there.

1171
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 1: Yeah. Those The most electric atmosphere I've been in was

1172
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 1: probably those Reggie Bush Liner years where at that time

1173
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:51,800
Speaker 1: the coliseum was ninety two thousand and it was jammed

1174
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 1: every week. I remember going there watching beat Arkansas by

1175
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 1: like seventy and there was everybody in Hollywood's down there

1176
00:48:57,239 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 1: on the sideline.

1177
00:48:58,040 --> 00:48:58,359
Speaker 2: It was.

1178
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: I remember Ohio State came in there early in the

1179
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 1: season they beat the brakes off them. I mean, it

1180
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 1: was the atmosphere was. There was juice in that stadium.

1181
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,319
Speaker 1: But I would say, if you take se so I'll

1182
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 1: take sc out of the mix. And that does need

1183
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 1: to be when sc is rolling, not in a you know,

1184
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:14,760
Speaker 1: it's not there each and every.

1185
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:17,799
Speaker 2: Time when it's forty five thousand, But LSU.

1186
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 1: At night is number one for me. Yeah, that's that's

1187
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 1: if you haven't done it, you get a chance to

1188
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 1: do it. It's a buckle list thing. I saw. I've

1189
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 1: been there a couple of times, but during the day,

1190
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:27,879
Speaker 1: but I on and saw him play Bama at night.

1191
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 1: It was a low scoring game. Took my son, he

1192
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 1: was about twelve years old.

1193
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 2: It was great.

1194
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 1: So LSU at night the swamp is number two for me.

1195
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 1: Like I saw them play my it was the t

1196
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 1: bow years. I think they've played Miami night game hot,

1197
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 1: but it was it was awesome. The environment was incredible,

1198
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 1: so that one would be there and then gosh for

1199
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 1: the So if I'm going those two, if we're just

1200
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 1: keeping at college, I think at college from for my money,

1201
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 1: the college atmosphere is just better than the NFL out

1202
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 1: year for a game.

1203
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:56,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, so those would be those two.

1204
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 1: I've been Ohio State. I was maybe it's because it

1205
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 1: was like gray weather. I liked it, I didn't love it.

1206
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 1: Penn State, I haven't been there for a white out.

1207
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 1: Really cool, but.

1208
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:08,320
Speaker 2: I would like to do a white I would like

1209
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:10,359
Speaker 2: to do a white out. I haven't done a white

1210
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 2: out there.

1211
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 1: I would say, gosh, the last one, you know what

1212
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 1: I might say. What I would say is one of

1213
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:22,839
Speaker 1: the more underrated is Washington because it's beautiful right there

1214
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 1: on the water.

1215
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 2: It's beautiful.

1216
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 1: So when you're up there in the press box all

1217
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 1: high and it's swaying back.

1218
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 2: And forth, so so so I was, I was.

1219
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:33,280
Speaker 3: I would say Washington when they have it rocking and rolling,

1220
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 3: and when they when the siren gets to going. Yeah,

1221
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 3: when when when they're they're playing, and normally when they're good,

1222
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 3: their defense is like lights out and dead defense is

1223
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 3: like getting after it.

1224
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 2: And they got the siren going and all of that

1225
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 2: like it. It jumps.

1226
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 3: I saw, and I don't want to be West Coast bies.

1227
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 3: I saw Utah beat the breaks off of Texas A

1228
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 3: and M and Rice Echoes and DJ. When I talk

1229
00:50:56,760 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 3: about I mean legitimately beat the breaks, I mean over

1230
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:00,839
Speaker 3: in my era.

1231
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 2: So so that is good.

1232
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:06,839
Speaker 3: But I just think like there's something And I haven't

1233
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 3: had an opportunity to go to an Iron Bowl, but

1234
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 3: I would love to see Alabama Auburn.

1235
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw, I saw.

1236
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 1: I've seen Alabama l s U at both places, so

1237
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:17,799
Speaker 1: I've seen it at Alabama at LSU. I would give

1238
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 1: LSU the nod. In terms of just the raucous environment.

1239
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 1: Alabama was great. You know, the history sweet Home Alabama

1240
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 1: the whole thing.

1241
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 2: It was.

1242
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 1: It was fun. I was there with JaMarcus Russell was

1243
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:28,440
Speaker 1: at l s U, so I was going there to

1244
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 1: look at him play. At Bama, I made been against

1245
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 1: Brodie Croyle. I can't remember who who the quarterback was

1246
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 1: at Bama. Good game. But yeah, that's a that's a

1247
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:37,360
Speaker 1: great you can't go wrong with that. I've played it

1248
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 1: played in a bunch of SEC stadiums Auburn like it's

1249
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 1: I would say, Look, it does mean more, it's just

1250
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 1: the it's the atmosphere is unbelievable down there, I would say.

1251
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 3: From as far a Texas OU game, they keep changing

1252
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 3: the name Red River Robbery Shootout whatever.

1253
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,280
Speaker 1: It is, but I have not been to been to Texas,

1254
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 1: been of Texas games. I've been to OU games, but

1255
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 1: I haven't seen them play each other.

1256
00:51:57,880 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, Texas OU, I would go.

1257
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,840
Speaker 1: To that Anyways, those more than three, but that's some

1258
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 1: of our favorite spots. We'll go two more questions here, Buck,

1259
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 1: and then we'll wrap this thing up. Any advice for

1260
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 1: aspiring scouts on how to get into the business and

1261
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 1: build our skills to the field. We've talked about this

1262
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 1: on an episode before. Maybe no Bill could we'll challenge

1263
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 1: and the Bible.

1264
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 2: To post that. If locate that and post it.

1265
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 1: Because we have had a longer discussion about how to

1266
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:24,399
Speaker 1: do that, I would just give you The quick answer

1267
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 1: would be watch players. You have game pass. Whatever they

1268
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 1: cut now it's on I guess NFL Plus. You can go,

1269
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 1: you can subscribe to that. You can go back and

1270
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 1: watch all twenty two footage. Find you know, just do

1271
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 1: write ups on like just go print out the stat

1272
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 1: leaders who are the receivers had the most receptions, the

1273
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 1: top ten. Study those guys, watch three games each and

1274
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 1: study them, take notes on them, and then write little

1275
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 1: summaries on them. Write a paragraph summary on those players.

1276
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 1: Do it for the top ten at each position, and

1277
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 1: just keep doing that over and over again, and just

1278
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 1: keep watching and writing players. That's going to help you,

1279
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 1: you know, try and acquire the skills you're going to

1280
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:01,399
Speaker 1: need to evaluate and you'll kind of figure it out.

1281
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:03,319
Speaker 1: Go back to our prototype series. You can listen to

1282
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 1: how we evaluate. We've brought a lot of experts and

1283
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 1: discuss what you look for at each position.

1284
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:12,399
Speaker 3: So that would be my advice, and to build upon

1285
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 3: your advice, I would say this focus more on how

1286
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 3: you expect the player to play over his first three

1287
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 3: years of.

1288
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,280
Speaker 2: His career more so than mock drafts.

1289
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 3: I would say that mock drafts have their place entertainment sphere,

1290
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:30,799
Speaker 3: but I would say that real scouts are talking about

1291
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 3: how a player is going to play and how he's

1292
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 3: going to impact a team when he gets to the

1293
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 3: National Football League. So if you can focus your efforts

1294
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 3: on being able to project where a player is going

1295
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 3: to be in two three years, that will be time

1296
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:46,880
Speaker 3: better served than trying to get it right when it

1297
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 3: comes to mock drafting, because in the building and NFL buildings,

1298
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 3: mock drafts are just a ity bitty part of the

1299
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 3: draft process. Learn how to evaluate players, worry about that

1300
00:53:58,160 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 3: other stuff played because that other stuff is more for

1301
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 3: TV and that not far behind the scenes.

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Speaker 1: Good advice. Last question we'll get to here. Sorry, if

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Speaker 1: we didn't get to it, we'll do another one of

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Speaker 1: these soon. We'll get to some of these questions. We

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Speaker 1: tried to knock out as many of them as we can.

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Speaker 1: This is interesting one. What position do you think will

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Speaker 1: look the most different in the next five years?

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Speaker 3: Most different? I will say, like it's funny, I would

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Speaker 3: say maybe linebacker will continue to evolve.

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Speaker 1: That's what that was my answer. Yeah, I think with

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Speaker 1: the ball linebackers, I think we've seen the entrance of

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Speaker 1: the taller, longer, rangier off the ball linebacker and all

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Speaker 1: that the challenges that presents in terms of passing lanes

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Speaker 1: and blitzing and just length. I think like height and

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Speaker 1: length at off the ball linebacker, I think that's going

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Speaker 1: to be a body type that's gone from the five

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Speaker 1: to ten, two hundred and forty five pound guy. I

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Speaker 1: think that the league's going away from that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you've gotta be able to run, and then what's

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Speaker 3: gonna happen as soon as we get the league full

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Speaker 3: of that, the league is going to go back to

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Speaker 3: run into football right at them.

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Speaker 2: And so it'll continue to be an evolving process.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, the linebacker, because that is the piece that

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Speaker 3: everyone is trying to figure out. I need a guy

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Speaker 3: that is athletic enough to be a factor in the

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Speaker 3: passing game, being stout enough to impact the run, but

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Speaker 3: also having the ability to deal with the quarterback, either

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Speaker 3: as a blitzer or as a shadow guy.

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Speaker 2: When it comes to quarterbacks who can pull the ball

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Speaker 2: and run it no doubt.

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Speaker 1: All Right, Well, there you go. We got to a

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Speaker 1: bunch of those questions. We appreciate you guys semting them again.

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Speaker 1: We'll do another one of these in the future and

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Speaker 1: we go through a knock a bunch of them out.

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Speaker 1: I hope we got your questions answered, and I appreciate

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Speaker 1: you guys hanging with us today. We'll be back next week.

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Speaker 1: I should say, Buck, you'll be back next week. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna be on a little bit of a vacation, but Buck,

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Speaker 1: I think Marcus Grant, our buddy Marcus Grant might be

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Speaker 1: joining you early in the week. And then uh, and

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Speaker 1: we'll have another episode coming your way as well. You

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Speaker 1: guys can chop it up a little bit.

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Speaker 2: She'ld be fun looking forward to it.

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Speaker 1: All right, We appreciate it, appreciate you guys, and we'll

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Speaker 1: see you next time. Right here on, move the.

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Speaker 2: Sticks fortuity

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Speaker 4: Before