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Speaker 1: Channel one two. I sat on the porch. I'll I looking,

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Speaker 1: you know, I want her to come, trap way and

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Speaker 1: and she never did come. A young mom, absolutely gorgeous,

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Speaker 1: goes missing. And here's the crazy part. Her two year

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Speaker 1: old daughter found inside her vehicle unharmed. How does that happen?

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Speaker 1: I'm talking, of course, about Tracy Pittman Kegley. I'm Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: Where is Tracy? Joining me? Joseph Scott Morgan, forensics expert

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Speaker 1: and Professor of Forensics at Jacksonville State University, Chicago, Psychologist

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Speaker 1: Dr Tiffany Sanders, and special guests joining us Jennifer Horton

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Speaker 1: w f S, a twelve knees reporter who's been on

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Speaker 1: the case. You know what, Jennifer, I'm looking at a

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Speaker 1: photo of Tracy right now. She's stunning. Her teeth looked

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Speaker 1: like a white picket fence. She's a frosty blonde. Um.

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Speaker 1: She looks petite and a big, big smile on her face.

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Speaker 1: And every photo I see if herd that's what really

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Speaker 1: stands out. And Jennifer, another fact that her little girl,

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Speaker 1: a two year old taught girl has found alive in

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Speaker 1: mommy's car. Uh, there is no way she would have

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Speaker 1: left her daughter that way. Jennifer. Let's start at the

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Speaker 1: beginning with me, Jennifer Horton, w f S A twelve

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Speaker 1: News Jennifer, what happened lasting at a gas state? Sh

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Speaker 1: We understand there were some kind of dispute, She left,

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Speaker 1: and her car was downe the next day with her

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Speaker 1: hold on, wait a second, Jennifer, hold on, let let's

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Speaker 1: take one fact at a time. You know so much

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Speaker 1: information you gotta put it in SlowMo for the rest

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Speaker 1: of us. So she was seen at a gas station.

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Speaker 1: Was her daughter in the vehicle with her? Yes? Because

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Speaker 1: so the daughter's in the vehicle, which is going to

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Speaker 1: lead me to my a later avenue of inquiry. When

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Speaker 1: the daughter was found, when she still strapped in were

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Speaker 1: her diaper soiled? Was she wearing the same clothes she

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Speaker 1: had on the day before, which would lead me to

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Speaker 1: think she had been there since the day before. That's

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Speaker 1: what I want to investigate that in a moment, But

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Speaker 1: she's at a gas station. Did the gas station have

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Speaker 1: surveillance video, not that we understand. So many of those

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Speaker 1: things were not in play, but the case hitges on.

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Speaker 1: According to investigators, the reason that the child was in

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Speaker 1: the backseat is why they believe the people that did

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Speaker 1: this to Tracy Kegley our locals, and they knew her

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Speaker 1: because they could have easily hurt her child, but they didn't. Interesting. Uh,

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Speaker 1: I make a note of what you just said that

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Speaker 1: it could be people that knew her because of the baby.

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Speaker 1: Hold On, let me get that down. I'm trying to

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Speaker 1: go chronologically. So she's at this gas station. There's no

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Speaker 1: video surveillance. That hurts. That hurts a lot. Uh. We'll

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Speaker 1: keep going forward, but hopefully at a gas station there

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Speaker 1: will be witnesses. So if it is a community where

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Speaker 1: everybody knows each other, people would likely have spotted her there,

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Speaker 1: an a t M the gas station where their eyewitnesses there.

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Speaker 1: That's what we understand. And this is a very small,

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Speaker 1: tight knit community. So she was staying there, good good,

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Speaker 1: So we know she was there. Eye witnesses place her there.

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Speaker 1: When you say there was some sort of a beat.

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Speaker 1: What do you mean by that? I think it was

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Speaker 1: but that that's the Who was it with some friends

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Speaker 1: So midday she's there, and you're saying the baby was

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Speaker 1: She goes off in her car with her two year

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Speaker 1: seen alive again. Joe Scott, what do you make of

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Speaker 1: what we know so far? Uh? This is a mark

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Speaker 1: could lead bizarre case, Nancy, in the sense that I

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Speaker 1: know the back roads in the South pretty well lived

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Speaker 1: on in my entire life. People don't just simply vanish

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Speaker 1: got you know? I respect you, but people vanish all

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Speaker 1: that tells me is that it's it's a vacant, large,

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Speaker 1: To me, this sounds as though that's someone was specifically

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Speaker 1: I asked you what you meant by people don't just vanish?

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Speaker 1: Well they do. Please refine your thoughts. Are you saying

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Speaker 1: they don't just vanish without a trace? No, I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying that they don't just vanish without a trace. Nancy,

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Speaker 1: this point in time. Uh. What is curious is that

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Speaker 1: One of two things is at play. Either someone facilitated

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Speaker 1: And if that's the case, how did she make it

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Speaker 1: But there's been exhaustive searches, and I'm gonna ask you

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Speaker 1: Joe Scott, Well, what I'm saying, Nancy, is that if

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Speaker 1: people don't just simply vanished, they just don't just out

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Speaker 1: over a decade to figure out what happened. So people

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Speaker 1: do just vanish. So when you keep saying over and over.

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Speaker 1: People don't just vanish. They do they do just vanish.

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Speaker 1: Go go look at National Center for Missing Exploited Children website.

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Speaker 1: There are lots of people that just quote vanish. So

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Speaker 1: let's see if we can figure out what happened here.

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Speaker 1: Let me go to what the District Attorney R. H.

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Speaker 1: What would be the thing they need to do today?

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Speaker 1: Somebody uh saw something. Now we don't report it and

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Speaker 1: very I'm it's very promising. But do you have an

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Speaker 1: human miles walked. One hundred sixty nine cell phones issued

428
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 1: to search teams. This has been an exhaustive search. Jennifer

429
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 1: Horton tell me about the terrain the three hundred miles

430
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 1: and specifically this body of water and what is the

431
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 1: speculation as to the item that has been found. The

432
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 1: body of water is simply a pond in this land.

433
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:11,880
Speaker 1: It had some marshy points. They were very concerned about

434
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 1: letting it go too far into the spring and summer.

435
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,199
Speaker 1: That's why they felt they had to do the search immediately.

436
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 1: Some of that land is and trust and some people

437
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 1: have hunting camps or they hunt on it, which is

438
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 1: another reason why they had to wait until this point

439
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: in the winter to go ahead and get that search

440
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 1: for it, because they didn't know who they would encounter

441
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 1: in the woods that were there for whatever reason. So

442
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 1: this is a difficult terrain, which was another reason why

443
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,880
Speaker 1: they felt they really needed those trackers. Not only did

444
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 1: they want to know they covered every square inch of

445
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: the acres, they wanted to make sure that everyone returned

446
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 1: back to the command center and that they left no

447
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 1: stone and turned. And interestingly enough, they touched on this

448
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:58,400
Speaker 1: great technology, the stones that they used at various apps.

449
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,640
Speaker 1: If they saw something they thought interesting, they could take

450
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 1: a picture and it was catalog it back at the

451
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 1: command center. A hundred and thirty two points of interest.

452
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: It wouldn't elaborate of what that was. But day for

453
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,160
Speaker 1: the search, it was the very final day they sent

454
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 1: home to Canaine units, they sent home to ground searchers.

455
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,919
Speaker 1: It was strictly with the state divers and it was

456
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 1: before eleven o'clock that morning when they need to have

457
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 1: found something. And of course you and I think we

458
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 1: all know exactly what they found, but there's still going

459
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 1: to get that, you know, the check by the State

460
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 1: Department of Forensics to confirm either whether they go back

461
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 1: or whether they've got enough to make your case, you know,

462
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: Jennifer Horton w fs A twelve knees. I'm looking right

463
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 1: now at a photo of Lisa and Steve Pittman. There,

464
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 1: Tracy's parents. They're at the command center of the search

465
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 1: for their daughter. They remind me so much of my

466
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 1: own parents. They must be in so much pain, Jennifer, Guys,

467
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 1: take a listen to Tracy's parents, Linda and Steve. Is

468
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 1: it an internal battle too, not allow yourself to get

469
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: too emotionally involved, But then on the other hand, you

470
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 1: can't help they get emotionally involved. You don't want to

471
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 1: get too hopeful in case it doesn't work, But at

472
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 1: the same time, you're a mother. You it's hard to

473
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 1: hold that back. We've been back and forth with this,

474
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: you know, like I tell I told told h Randam

475
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 1: Houston that we've been up and down so many times

476
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 1: in twenty years that I thought I could keep my

477
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 1: emotions and under control as it's been so long, But

478
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 1: it eventually gets to you because of the people that

479
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 1: care the show. They care, they're the year and I

480
00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 1: just wish that the people people could see, like I said,

481
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 1: the technology that they have there. Yeah, I'm talking to

482
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 1: people who do this for a living, and you know,

483
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 1: they say and some of them have a scientific answer,

484
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: and some people say, well, I just have a feeling,

485
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 1: you know. I said, how do you think he's going

486
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 1: to something said, I just find a feeling. Either. If

487
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 1: you have a feeling, because you've been through this so

488
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,239
Speaker 1: many times unfortunately in the past, do you have a

489
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: feeling as to how this is going. While I was excited,

490
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 1: I was very excited about this. Um My feeling today

491
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: was I thought maybe they could find her today because

492
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 1: of the dogs hitting certain areas, and um so I

493
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 1: was very excited about just the search and in general.

494
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 1: So so as the weaklinds down. Is it gonna be

495
00:30:53,360 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 1: tougher to manage your mentions? How if we don't find it? Really,

496
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 1: I've been this point in so many times, you know,

497
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: but they're doing their best. I know this time they

498
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 1: are really doing their best because and I keep on

499
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 1: saying technology and people, but they have amazing stuff and

500
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 1: people back here. You know. Another thing, um I'm curious

501
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 1: about to Jennifer Horton, Jennifer, was this search predicated by

502
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: a tip of some sort? What it was predicated by?

503
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 1: A search from the time Stoppers action lines we had

504
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 1: at the station where we profile cases. Where they need

505
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: to either find the suspects that they know of or

506
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 1: they just need information, and it was in. It took

507
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: them that long to get all the resources corralled, walk

508
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,959
Speaker 1: down the information and seated it was possibly viable. Do

509
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: you know what the tip was, Jennifer. They've not really

510
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,719
Speaker 1: seen anything. They're calling it quote confidential information because they

511
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 1: want to protect the person who tipped them off. They

512
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: say it's the best tip they've ever had in this

513
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 1: twenty year long search. I can't even imagine going twenty

514
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: years and not knowing where my daughter was. She's dead

515
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 1: or alive? What happened to her? Um Guys Tracy, a

516
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 1: thirty year old young mom, was reported missing on a

517
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: Sunday afternoon, April six. She has not been seen or

518
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 1: heard from since. The case has gone cold. The search

519
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: has just gone down. That has brought several hundred law

520
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: enforcements and volunteers to a huge, a vast search area

521
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 1: just west of Tallahassee. Her car, a GEO Storm, was

522
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: abandoned on Old Georgia Road, a few miles north of

523
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: the Chumpka. Her two year old little daughter was inside unharmed.

524
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 1: That right there, to me is the clue. Dr Tiffany Sanders.

525
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 1: Dr Tiffany joining US Chicago psychologist. What does it say

526
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 1: to you, Tiffany, Yes, this is surprising that you will

527
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 1: leave that two year old who can possibly depending on

528
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: their language skills, maybe say something or um some sort

529
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 1: of identification. It might be a little bit difficult to understand,

530
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:29,719
Speaker 1: but you might get something. So why would they leave

531
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: that two year old um alive and well? And that

532
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 1: suggests that there may have been a loved one or

533
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: someone that was close to that to your two year

534
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 1: old who didn't want to see that two year old harmed. So,

535
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 1: you know, to walk away from your car again not

536
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 1: plausible to leave your child. Some potential harm was done

537
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 1: to that mother, and maybe we're seeing that now that

538
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 1: the search crew is finding something twenty years later. But

539
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: to leave the two year old harm suggested that person

540
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: may have encountered their loved one and didn't want to

541
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: do any harm to that child. Thinking about that GEO

542
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: storm and the potential evidence that may have been found

543
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 1: on it, um Jennifer Horton, do we know if at

544
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 1: the time Tracy went missing, it was process for Prince

545
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 1: d n A anything. I think in the most formative

546
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 1: way that they could do, and all those boxes were

547
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 1: checked at some point, but you know, nothing that I've

548
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: ever seen has ever come from that. And as far

549
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:32,359
Speaker 1: as clearing anyone, the only people that have ever been

550
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: cleared in this investigation are Pittman, her mom and dad.

551
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: The mom and dad. The largest portion of the search,

552
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: which included twenty law enforcement agencies, seventeen cadaver dogs, half

553
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:49,320
Speaker 1: a dozen companies, has just wrapped up. Dive team still

554
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 1: on the property working in a pond. That pond seems

555
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 1: to be a real area of interest. How far away

556
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: was the pond from where she lived, Jennifer I would

557
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 1: say it would probably be closer to fifty But where

558
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 1: they were searching was about twenty miles away from where

559
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 1: they found her car. So this isn't just across the

560
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: street or down the road a piece. It's a sizable distance,

561
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 1: and I think maybe that's why early on investigators had

562
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: not linked the property with with that evidence that they

563
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,439
Speaker 1: found on the side of the road and so forth.

564
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 1: Let me understand that you're saying the property is about

565
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,280
Speaker 1: forty to fifty miles from her home and about twenty

566
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: miles from where her GEO Storm car was found abandoned

567
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 1: with her little girl in it. Next question, did the

568
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: owners of the property have any connection to her? We

569
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:51,800
Speaker 1: are still unclear exactly where this property was. The command

570
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:56,359
Speaker 1: center is where it was, the repository where everyone came

571
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: and met that they were actually being shoveled over to

572
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: this property. And as you can imagine with your history,

573
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: they didn't want us to know exactly where they were.

574
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 1: From what we could gather, some of this land was

575
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 1: a generational property and some of it was in trust.

576
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 1: And we've attempted to work with investigators to see if

577
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,760
Speaker 1: they would confirm or deny who owned that land based

578
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 1: on pot with property records. We've not been successful in that.

579
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: But on day one they affirmed that the person who

580
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 1: owns the property is not a suspect, at least at

581
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 1: this time. They did not give way to the idea

582
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 1: that that had changed on Thursday when this evidence was

583
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 1: found in that water body on the property. Well, that

584
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 1: leads me to another another issue. For instance, in the

585
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 1: Tera Grinstead case, Joe Scott Morgan, the owner of the property,

586
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: you know it belonged to a family, and the owner

587
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: is not a suspect in the the disappearance of Chara Grinstead,

588
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:03,439
Speaker 1: but a relative of the owner, maybe a suspect. So

589
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 1: it's not necessarily the owner of the property, but somebody

590
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 1: connected to the property, somebody that knows that pond, that's

591
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: fished that pond, that's familiar with that pond. I mean

592
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: for Jennifer, who's there on the scene to be kept

593
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: in the dark about the exact location, that means to me,

594
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 1: not everybody knows about this pond or this area, but

595
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 1: it's someone that's familiar with it. Could it be a hunter,

596
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: Could it be somebody connected to it. Couldn't be somebody

597
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,360
Speaker 1: that's done work in that area on that property before.

598
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 1: Not necessarily the owner, but someone connected to the property.

599
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 1: Joe Scott, Yeah, you're absolutely right. What if someone was

600
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,319
Speaker 1: given access to go in and fish the pond? We

601
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:51,359
Speaker 1: have this, you know, there's a lot of hunting leases, uh,

602
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 1: where people wander that property looking for a place to

603
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 1: set up to hunt. Or maybe it's just you know

604
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 1: a group of people that have gone out to take

605
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,760
Speaker 1: hay off the field, you know in the fall, for instance,

606
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: when they bushog it and rolled the hay, that sort

607
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 1: of thing. So any number of people could have come

608
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 1: across this pond and knew that it was in a

609
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 1: particularly isolated area. Uh, Nancy. This this goes to just

610
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 1: as we were speaking about how small the world has

611
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 1: become now relative to technology, and um, you know, we're

612
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,439
Speaker 1: kind of fighting the past here, relative to the fact

613
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 1: that this happened all those years ago, and now we're

614
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: moving forward and moving on to an era where we

615
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 1: have access to electronic technology and this sort of thing

616
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 1: that hopefully is going to narrow the field so that

617
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: we can determine, uh, if this is in fact her

618
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 1: final resting place, or at least give us more information

619
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: to to follow up. We were talking about the mysterious

620
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,399
Speaker 1: disappearance of a young mom and thirty year old mom

621
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: absolutely gorgeous. There's no way this woman walked off on

622
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 1: her own, leaving her taught girl strapped in a car seat,

623
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: the car abandoned in the middle of nowhere. That did

624
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 1: not happen. According to Jennifer Horton with w f S

625
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 1: A twelve News, this was a loving mom, no history

626
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 1: of de facts or child services ever, being called loving

627
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 1: grandparents the works. She would never have left that child

628
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 1: strapped in a car seat alone for twenty four hours.

629
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 1: That simply did not happen. Listen to her parents. There's

630
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 1: nothing about this is no, it's not it's you know,

631
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:40,800
Speaker 1: it's been. It's been pretty horrible experience. I don't know

632
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: my experiences. What we're here, and I know there's a

633
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 1: lot of people I am um. My last question, do

634
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 1: you feel better when she got here? Did it kind

635
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 1: of calm your nerves? Walking in getting to talk to people?

636
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: I wanted to be I wanted to be here, you know,

637
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 1: I just wanted to. I feel like I'm closer to everything.

638
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: Not that I'm I'm nosy or anything, but I just

639
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 1: I fail up a lot intermlessing that it's hard to

640
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 1: sit in the office. You can't think the found must

641
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 1: go around. There's nothing that can take the place of

642
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 1: a child that you've lost. Um. But I think that

643
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: it's a relief for them to know that even after

644
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,359
Speaker 1: twenty years, we're still looking. And I think that's how

645
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 1: you have to be in law enforcement. I think if

646
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 1: you're gonna be in law enforcement, you have to understand

647
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,479
Speaker 1: that you've got to be patient. And if it takes

648
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,479
Speaker 1: twenty years, it takes twenty years. If it takes twenty

649
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,320
Speaker 1: more years and I'm still here, it will be another

650
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 1: twenty years. For those of you just joining us, we

651
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 1: were talking about a cold case of a thirty year

652
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 1: old mom who goes missing in the middle of nowhere,

653
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 1: leaving her two year old todd girls strapped in the

654
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 1: car for twenty four hours at least. Uh No. A

655
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: massive search has just gone down and authorities saying they

656
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 1: have found evidence of interest in a pond, but are

657
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 1: not saying what the evidence is. What can you tell me,

658
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: Jennifer Horton, I understand police are now saying they have

659
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 1: three potential suspects, and that's that's been our big question

660
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 1: all week. And you know, as as law enforcement so

661
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 1: often does they have a feeling about things, They get

662
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 1: a little bit of information, But my biggest question to

663
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 1: them was, twenty years have passed. I'll have three people

664
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 1: potentially in a very high profile case, been able to

665
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 1: keep this under wraps all those years in a very

666
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: very small town. That's what's one of the most perplexing

667
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: things to me. But law enforcement feels they know exactly

668
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 1: who they're looking for all these years. All they've needed

669
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 1: there's that probable cause to make the arrest for it,

670
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 1: and they've been inspard to say, if this turns out

671
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 1: to be what we wanted to be or think it

672
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 1: will be as far as the evidence is concerned, the

673
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 1: arrest will happen instantly, and they know who they're looking for,

674
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: and they've been made a plea last week to say,

675
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 1: if you don't come see us, will come see you.

676
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: You know, on one hand, you say they know exactly

677
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,320
Speaker 1: who they're looking for and they're speaking to them directly,

678
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: But on the other hand, are they bluffing. It really

679
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 1: felt like to me that they know exactly who they're

680
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 1: looking for. So it will be very interesting to see

681
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:22,280
Speaker 1: what exactly it was outside this potential evidence that really

682
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 1: bolstered their confidence in the case they've always felt they

683
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: had simply couldn't make want to reiterate and confirm what

684
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: Jennifer Horton w fs A twelve News has said. According

685
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 1: to police, then the sheriff, the owner of the property

686
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 1: is not repeat is not a suspect quote. That's why

687
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 1: we've been very vague about saying just where the property is.

688
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 1: We don't want people out there making the difficult job

689
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 1: of the search teams even more difficult it is in

690
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 1: the friendship community. Our investigation shows that the owner of

691
00:42:55,760 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 1: the property is in no way involved in this case. Now,

692
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 1: the sheriff goes on to say he is confident the

693
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 1: church is looking for remains that means Tracy is dead.

694
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 1: He says, the day Tracy just disappeared off the face

695
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:14,919
Speaker 1: of the earth and has never been seen or heard

696
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 1: from again. We felt foul play was involved from day one.

697
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 1: That's what I suspected, Jennifer. I feel confident that whoever

698
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:30,240
Speaker 1: did this to Tracy, listen to this are in Elmore County.

699
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 1: Are not is are in Elmore County. That means more

700
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 1: than one defendant still in Elmore County. And when they

701
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 1: they look over their shoulders they see us coming. We

702
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 1: had very good intelligence if she is on this property,

703
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 1: we will find her. I think that's very very telling, Jennifer,

704
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: extremely telling. What do you make of it. I believe

705
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,439
Speaker 1: they know who they're looking for, and I think they've

706
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 1: just needed to thread that needle to be able to

707
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 1: make their case to get the warrants that they need.

708
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 1: And I believe that on Thursday, it's quiet as they've

709
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 1: kept everything, and I mean they have really kept everything

710
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 1: close to the best for them to go as far

711
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 1: as to say that we have potential evidence in many

712
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 1: ways because we work around these people so often, that

713
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 1: is a green light for me, because if they had

714
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 1: any question in their minds, they wouldn't have said that

715
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 1: to us. You know, that's usually something we have to

716
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 1: really sort of dredge out in the details. But you know,

717
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 1: on the other hand, we're dealing with time, and that

718
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 1: has really been the most difficult part. I think if

719
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: they had this technology twenty years ago, this case would

720
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 1: be closed. But the fact that this case has never

721
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 1: been closed, no arrest has ever been made. Virtually everyone

722
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 1: is still a suspect. You know. I feel like they believe,

723
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 1: at least at this juncture, that the ball is back

724
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 1: in their court. And I also, just as a reporter

725
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: on the ground, I wonder how quickly all this will

726
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: happen as soon as forensics gives its final report. Who

727
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:07,720
Speaker 1: was speaking just then that I was quoting was District

728
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 1: Attorney Randall Houston. Um, you know, I'm curious. Jennifer Horton

729
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 1: w fs A twelve knees. Jennifer, tell me again what

730
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 1: kicks started this case again? I mean, it's been a

731
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:25,240
Speaker 1: cold case two decades. About two years ago our station

732
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,399
Speaker 1: had something we call it crime Stoppers action line law

733
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,839
Speaker 1: enforcement from feeling the area. They come in and they

734
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:35,800
Speaker 1: have particular cases they want to profile to generate tips.

735
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 1: And for whatever reason, this law enforcement agency to us

736
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 1: go with the Cagley case. They pulled it out. It's

737
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 1: a cold case, we need information. They received the tip

738
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,879
Speaker 1: on that day in sixteen and after walking it down

739
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,399
Speaker 1: because now this is the State Police and the State

740
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 1: Police has kind of taken over this cold case. They

741
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 1: have a cold case unit. And after they walked it

742
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 1: down and got the ref worths and got the warrants,

743
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 1: they said, it just simply took that long. I'm not

744
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 1: sure all that what all it took to get that far,

745
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 1: but for some reason, it took them a couple of years.

746
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 1: But you know when they came, they really brought everything.

747
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 1: They happen with it. Guys, we are talking about a

748
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: so called cold case. It isn't cold anymore. It's about

749
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 1: Tracy Pittman Kegley. A massive search has just gone down

750
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 1: and law enforcement says they have found items of interest

751
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: in a pond that sits on over three hundred acres

752
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 1: of densely wooded area. Straight to Jennifer Horton Jennifer, what

753
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 1: can you tell me about her divorce? And I'm not

754
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 1: pointing the finger at the husband or the ex but

755
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 1: we all know statistics that when somebody goes missing or

756
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 1: is found dead, you look first and those closest to

757
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 1: the victim. What what do we know about him? We

758
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 1: know very little about him. We know that he's had

759
00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 1: a role in, you know, their child's life after to

760
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 1: this disappearance. UM, From all intents and purposes, it seems

761
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 1: like a pretty standard divorce. Looking back and just talking

762
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 1: just some folks around the community that remembered it. Um.

763
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:14,359
Speaker 1: You know, I believe that everyone is still around as

764
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 1: they mentioned, as far as the suspects and the people

765
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 1: at play and even her family, none of that has

766
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 1: changed because her disappearance. UM. It's it's really puzzling. But

767
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 1: for them to continue to reiterate no one has been

768
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 1: ruled out except her parents leaves a lot to the

769
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 1: imagination about who they're looking for. UM. But as far

770
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:39,720
Speaker 1: as her its husband's concerned, we've heard very very little.

771
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 1: At the time, did he enter any um, please to

772
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: the public to help find her. Was he cooperating with police?

773
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 1: What do we know based on our station's records. I

774
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,240
Speaker 1: went back and looked at every show where we feature

775
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:57,240
Speaker 1: a story about this, which was a vast number of shows.

776
00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 1: We always spoke to her parents. Parents were always at

777
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 1: the helm of pleading for help and preuting for information,

778
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 1: and as I understand, they were part and partial. There

779
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 1: was a sixty thousand dollars award on the table when

780
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 1: she went missing for any information about her disappearance. And

781
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 1: you know, I believe that they were ready, really at

782
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 1: the helm for pulling that money together. Between was a

783
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 1: sizeable and kind of cash. Yeah, still is. Authorities has

784
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 1: spent days combing over three acres in Elmore County for

785
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 1: evidence in the disappearance of Tracy Pittman Kegley. She disappeared April.

786
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 1: This is what we know. The thirty year old young

787
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 1: mom was last seen on a Sunday, April six, when

788
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 1: she left her residence and Eclectic to the man SBP

789
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 1: convenience store. Now that's at the corner of US two

790
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 1: thirty one North and Redland Road with tomp Coke. Her

791
00:48:56,280 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 1: n G O. Storm was found a abandoned in the car.

792
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 1: Were her personal belongings, her pocketbook, her I D and

793
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 1: most importantly, her two year old taught girl. Her family

794
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 1: insists she's a crime victim, that she would never have

795
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 1: left her child alone. Interesting she had separated from her

796
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 1: husband earlier, and her divorce was final sixteen days just

797
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 1: sixteen days before she disappears. At the time, she had

798
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 1: been living with her mom and was just starting a

799
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 1: new job at a dental office in Montgomery the day

800
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: after she went missing. From the get go, police have

801
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 1: been tight lipped and they're remaining that way as to

802
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 1: why this property is seeing a huge concentration of people

803
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 1: and equipment volunteers. It all came, according to Jennifer Horton

804
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:56,919
Speaker 1: from a crime stopper segment on the case. Why what

805
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:01,800
Speaker 1: was in that tip? Take a listen to Tracy's parents

806
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 1: Really surprised as long as it's spend, that they have

807
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:08,799
Speaker 1: come up with something that might lead us to her.

808
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 1: What do we know about her? Little girl? Left behind?

809
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 1: To Jennifer Horton w fs A twelve. What do we know?

810
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,840
Speaker 1: We know that she's a twenty two year old adult.

811
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 1: She is in LOLd in college. Um as far as

812
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: we understand from her family, I think she's a nursing

813
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:30,879
Speaker 1: student that her grandparents have kept her very shildred from

814
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 1: this protast. We have never seen her. Um, you know,

815
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 1: they've they've been very protective of her for all the

816
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:41,320
Speaker 1: right reasons. And you know, if we asked them a question,

817
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 1: sometimes they will appeal to us and and give us

818
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:46,839
Speaker 1: an answer. But you can tell that's something that they

819
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 1: really they really still want to continue to sheeld her

820
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 1: from what's going on. We never saw her at the

821
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:55,840
Speaker 1: command center. We know, like I said, she's in school,

822
00:50:55,960 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 1: she's got a lot going on, but it's you can

823
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 1: tell that there's been a lot of years trying to

824
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 1: remove her from this process. According to authorities, they believe

825
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 1: the people responsible for Tracy's death and disappearance are still

826
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 1: in Elmore County. Interesting, law enforcement says, when they look

827
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:24,360
Speaker 1: over their shoulder, they're going to see us coming. Well,

828
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 1: you know, it's been justice delayed. This is absolutely a

829
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 1: cold case. And this girl has grown up having been

830
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 1: abandoned in mob's g O storm car on a secluded

831
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 1: road where anything could have happened to her all this

832
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 1: time ago, as now a young lady in college. But

833
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 1: when people trash law enforcement listen to this. The Southwest

834
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 1: Panhandle Search and Rescue Canines sheriff's officers from Lee Elmore

835
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 1: a Taga Blunt Children, Tellapoosa police departments from Opalalaka, Pratt Bowl,

836
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 1: with Tomka Auburn, the S B I, the A, E.

837
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 1: M A, you name it, all of them pulling together

838
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 1: to try to get a resolution in the disappearance of

839
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:20,240
Speaker 1: this young mother. What do we do now, Joe Scott

840
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 1: Morgan continue to work together in this particular case. It's

841
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:28,879
Speaker 1: gonna require all of these resources. Nancy, this is such

842
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 1: a very old case. They have to be very, very

843
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 1: careful going forward. I would anticipate that the powers that

844
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:39,880
Speaker 1: be are still gonna play this very very close to

845
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:43,719
Speaker 1: the vest relative to the information they're gonna let out.

846
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 1: Because one, because the key to this is this this

847
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 1: this piece of evidence or a piece of information, however

848
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 1: you want to frame it, that they have come across

849
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 1: on this property and they've already got a seed planet

850
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 1: here with this tip that initially came in um and

851
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 1: they're going to be very you're careful in the processing

852
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 1: of this. I would think that they're not just watching

853
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 1: watching the posture of this d A throughout this thing.

854
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Speaker 1: The interviews that I've seen with him, he seems like

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Speaker 1: he is very, very careful, meticulous, and he is going

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Speaker 1: to leave no stone unturned before he moves forward with anything,

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Speaker 1: including release of further information. You know. I also noticed

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Speaker 1: Jennifer Horton w F s A that she has never

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Speaker 1: been declared dead. Now in Alabama, you have to wait

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Speaker 1: a period of time. I think it's five years before

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Speaker 1: someone can be declared legally dead if their body has

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Speaker 1: not been found. Those steps were never taken here. Is

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Speaker 1: that correct? That is correct? I wonder what that means

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Speaker 1: to Dr Tiffany Sanders, Chicago psychologist. It it says to me,

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Speaker 1: I'm just an armchair shrink. It says to me that

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Speaker 1: her family, either the parents or the daughter, don't want

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Speaker 1: to declare her dad. And and that makes sense, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you want to have hope that your loved

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Speaker 1: one can come home a lie, So to believe that

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Speaker 1: she's been that she's dead or she's been dead for

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Speaker 1: least twenty years as a very frightening thought. Um. And

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Speaker 1: it's okay because that's the typical of our signs of grief,

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Speaker 1: or one of the stages of grief is denial. Um.

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Speaker 1: You know, bargaining. Maybe they're bargaining with the Lord, asking

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Speaker 1: them please, we don't hope it's any another person's kid,

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Speaker 1: but please let it not be our child or our mother.

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Speaker 1: So it's understandable that they may not want to technowledge

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Speaker 1: at this point. They haven't gotten to the stage of acceptance,

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Speaker 1: and we got to give them time to process this information.

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Speaker 1: There is a reward, a dollar reward. If you have information,

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crime Stories signing off, Goodbye friend,