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Speaker 1: All right, Good morning, and welcome to Counterpoints. You know, Emily,

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Speaker 1: in a normal election year, the news from last night

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Speaker 1: would dominate today's cycle, but instead I think we'll just

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Speaker 1: give it a passing mention. Joe Biden clinched the Democratic nomination,

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump clinched the Republican nomination. Uncommitted, did extremely well

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Speaker 1: in Washington State. We won't know how well until all

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Speaker 1: the vote the mail in votes are counted Thursday. Looks

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Speaker 1: like they're going to get delegates to go to the DNC.

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Speaker 1: But otherwise, an anticlimactic contest came to its anti climax

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Speaker 1: last night.

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Speaker 4: I guess yeah, that's right, and more trouble for Biden.

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Speaker 4: And actually here in Washington, d C. As Congress Robert

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Speaker 4: Hurry Special counsel Robert Hurt testified in front of Congress.

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Speaker 4: It was actually fairly explosive from both Republicans and Democrats.

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Speaker 4: Nobody was happy with Robert Hurry yesterday. We'll get to

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Speaker 4: that in just a moment. We will cover some developments

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Speaker 4: out of Israel, including an especially galling video that we

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Speaker 4: will break down in just a bit. Here. The CPI

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Speaker 4: numbers are out, Ryan, the inflation numbers are out that

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Speaker 4: we're released yesterday. Some really I think depressing news.

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Speaker 3: Soft Landing is getting bumpy.

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Speaker 4: Soft He is getting bumpy. We're going to cover developments

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Speaker 4: out of Haiti specifically, actually that not only has Ariel

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Speaker 4: Andrie resigned as Soger and Crystal covered yesterday, but also

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Speaker 3: Like you're going to do a little invasion.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks like just to help them out again,

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Speaker 1: just to help them a little more help from us.

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Speaker 3: It's all they need.

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Speaker 4: So we'll talk about the Kenyan troops situation, have a

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Speaker 4: full breakdown of that. We are going to be talking

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Speaker 4: about Ukraine and some reports from French media that basically

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Speaker 4: nobody's paying attention to here in the States. Actually a

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Speaker 4: new Putin comment as well to cover and then, oh,

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Speaker 4: my goodness, what happened with.

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Speaker 3: Andrew Tate Man can't catch a break.

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Speaker 4: Looks like one of his streamer friends actually caused his arrest.

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Speaker 4: So we'll get to that in just a moment. Remember,

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Speaker 4: if you go to breakingpoints dot com, there's twenty five

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Speaker 4: percent off right now, breakingpoints dot com. It's an election.

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Speaker 3: You not do that.

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Speaker 4: It's a great deal.

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Speaker 3: You got to do that great deal.

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Speaker 4: All right. Let's start with the testimony yesterday of Special

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Speaker 4: Counsel Robert Herr, who was appointed to look into whether

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Speaker 4: Joe bo Biden had willfully retained classified documents at various

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Speaker 4: properties from his garage to his basement. Obviously, this is

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Speaker 4: this happened after Donald Trump was investigated for classified documents

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Speaker 4: that were littered about Marlco. But let's start with Let's

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Speaker 4: start with this quote, or this exchange between Republican Congressman

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Speaker 5: February eighth, the White House question, mister President, why did

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Speaker 5: you share classified information with your ghost writer? The president?

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Speaker 5: It's just what regular people would say, right, Yeah, all right.

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Speaker 5: but then you apply this senile cooperator theory that because

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Speaker 4: So, of course her famously declined to bring charges infamously,

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Speaker 4: wilful retention of documents. Democrats Ryan yesterday seized on that question.

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Speaker 4: They are upset with her for they, as they see it,

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Speaker 4: littering his report with pejoratives and basically being an agist

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Speaker 4: put it. Perhaps here's Jerry Nadler absolutely laying into Robert

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Speaker 6: Short to borrow a phrase from the last administration represents

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Speaker 6: the complete and total exoneration as an Ambiden And how

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Speaker 6: does that record contrast with President Trump, the documents he retained,

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Speaker 3: From the White House.

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Speaker 6: He has admitted as much, occasionally pretending that he classified

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Speaker 6: We know that he stored that information around Mari Laco

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Speaker 4: Okay, bren What did you make of the dueling attacks

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Speaker 1: I think what it really showed is what the public

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Speaker 3: Like, I think we have earned that.

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Speaker 1: They're both they're both charged with the same thing, you know,

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Speaker 1: you'd have them cross examine each other. No, I don't

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Speaker 3: It's just bat all around, lovely.

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Speaker 4: Chris Wallace is in the courtroom moderating them, and then.

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Speaker 1: Frank Lunz can do a focus group with the jury afterwards.

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Speaker 3: The the whole thing in a diners.

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Speaker 4: So again, it seems like they're both I mean, it

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Speaker 4: Speaking of clown Car Coen Brothers, the Biden's ghost writer,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's more run in the mill criminality. It only

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Speaker 4: Yeah, But in news outlets including the Federalists, had transcripts

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Speaker 4: Bo Biden. So that entire exchange where Biden was again

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Speaker 4: was actually remembering his conversation wrong, which again is totally fine.

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Speaker 4: These are long conversations he went over the course of

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Speaker 4: multiple days. Biden sat for these very long interviews, picking

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Speaker 4: if not a little longer than that. But again, as

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Speaker 4: memory wasn't great. His memory was not so great.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of people not having a good memory about their

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Speaker 1: own memory, Democrats took the opportunity to put together a

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Speaker 4: So well, here, for no reason, they're basically saying that

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Speaker 4: Trump has his own memory lapses.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so yeah, let's let's roll some Trump.

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Speaker 4: Bold like up here.

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Speaker 4: Let's move on to Israel. Ryan in this I twenty

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Speaker 1: Aid right, So, if your behavior has managed to frustrate

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Speaker 4: But obviously Nanna who went on Fox and Friends this

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Speaker 4: week to kind of talk a little smack about Biden

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Speaker 4: and now, yeah, to your point about the UAE slipping.

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Speaker 1: Away, and let's talk about the context of this global

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Speaker 1: revulsion at what Israel is doing when you put up

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Speaker 1: this this new BBC investigation into something that we covered

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Speaker 1: here previously on Breaking Points, which was the Israeli assault

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Speaker 1: on Nasser Hospital. You know, we talked about, you know,

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Speaker 1: one particular doctor, you know, who went missing for many

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Speaker 1: days now a number of now about a dozen medical

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Speaker 1: workers from NASA Hospital, according to the BBC, are still

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Speaker 1: missing and their family are deeply concerned about their their

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Speaker 1: well being. But the ones who have been released, you know,

452
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Speaker 1: spoke to Three of them spoke to the BBC independently

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Speaker 1: and told stories of their captivity. And the way that

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Speaker 1: this type of journalism works where you don't have forensic evidence,

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Speaker 1: you don't have video, you don't have photos, they actually do.

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Speaker 1: The BBC has some video and photo from inside the

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Speaker 1: hospital of pretty rough treatment of the of the medical staff,

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Speaker 1: but not after they leave the hospital. The way you

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Speaker 1: do that reporting is you try to talk. You try

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Speaker 1: to reach people independently, so that you don't say, all right,

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Speaker 1: you talk to one doctor and then you ask that doctor,

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Speaker 1: you know, who else can we talk to? That's that's fine,

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Speaker 1: like if that's all you can do, that's all you

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Speaker 1: can do. But it's better to find them independently so

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Speaker 1: that you know for certain that they didn't communicate with

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Speaker 1: each other. And then you hear the stories they told

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Speaker 1: where were you taken? How long were you there? Were

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Speaker 1: the people look like you did this? What exactly did

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Speaker 1: they do to you? And if you can pile up

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Speaker 1: a bunch of different stories, uh, then you compare them,

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Speaker 1: then you can then that is some level of corroboration.

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Speaker 1: And that's what the BBC uh did here and it's

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Speaker 1: report finding that the that the medical staff, including the doctors,

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Speaker 1: were severe were severely beaten, were doused with cold water,

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Speaker 1: where one of them had their hands broken. The the

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Speaker 1: the kind of abuse that you can imagine coupled with

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Speaker 1: harsh and harsh interrogations, and the uncertainty if you're going

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Speaker 1: to wind up in a whether you're gonna wind up

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Speaker 1: in a mass graver, you're ever going to see your

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Speaker 1: your family again, and so uh. The State Departments Matt

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Speaker 1: Miller was asked about this BBC report yesterday at the briefing.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to his response here.

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Speaker 7: They've interviewed three doctors or three members of the staff

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Speaker 7: at that hospital who've given like detailed accounts of the

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Speaker 7: detention by Israeli authorities. They told the BBC there were humiliated, beaten,

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Speaker 7: doused with cold water, forced to kneel in uncomfortable positions

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Speaker 7: for hours. One was set upon by a dog. I'm wondering,

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Speaker 7: is that is that a specific one of these specific

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Speaker 7: cases that you would raise with the Israedy government.

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Speaker 8: I have only seen the report. I don't know that

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Speaker 8: if we have raised it, but I would expect that

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Speaker 8: we would. Is the type of cases that we often

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Speaker 8: raise with them to seek more information and to make clear,

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Speaker 8: as we always have, that any detainee should be treated

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Speaker 8: in strict compliance with international humanitarian law.

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Speaker 7: Are you aware of any cases where as already troops

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Speaker 7: have been disciplined for mistreating prisoners.

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Speaker 8: I am aware of cases. I don't know specifically with

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Speaker 8: respect to prisoners, but I know that we recently raised

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Speaker 8: with them an incident where Israeli soldiers where were filming

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Speaker 8: themselves inside a mosque inappropriately, and the Idea told us

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Speaker 8: that they were investigating and if appropriate, there would be

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Speaker 8: accountability and discipline.

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Speaker 7: But that's the case where there's video evidence they the

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Speaker 7: faces in the video.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, correct, but correct, But it doesn't change what we

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Speaker 8: think the standard ought to be, which is, if there

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Speaker 8: are allegations that are substantiated, there ought to be accountability.

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Speaker 8: That's true for the Israeli militaries, it should be for

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Speaker 8: the United States military and a military anywhere in the world.

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Speaker 1: You notice it, and the reporter says, that's a case

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Speaker 1: where they were doing it on video. I thought it

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Speaker 1: was interesting that Miller said, if appropriate, there will be disciplined.

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Speaker 1: So even in that case, Israel wouldn't commit to the

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Speaker 1: State Department even privately, Okay, we will discipline these soldiers

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Speaker 1: because you can imagine a scenario where the State Department says, look,

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Speaker 1: there's a video going around to these soldiers put up

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Speaker 1: themselves on TikTok of themselves, you know, desecrating this mosque.

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Speaker 1: Here they are, and you could imagine a world in

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Speaker 1: which you shared that with your partners, your allies, and

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Speaker 1: the ally said, this is horrifying. We're going to find

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Speaker 1: out exactly who these guys are and there's going to

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Speaker 1: be disciplined. We apologize rather than you know, if we

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Speaker 1: find something disturbing this video, we'll you know, at that point,

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Speaker 1: will take action. But Emily, the part that really struck

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Speaker 1: me from his response was I'm not sure if we

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Speaker 1: have talked to Israel yet about this, but it is

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Speaker 1: the type of.

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Speaker 3: Thing that we do talk to them about.

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Speaker 1: We're five months in and the pattern is so recognizable

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Speaker 1: that you can say, oh yeah, doctors being beaten and

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Speaker 1: having dogs set upon them. Yep, that sounds familiar. That's

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Speaker 1: the kind of thing, the type of thing, that's the

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Speaker 1: type of thing we often do talk to our Israeli

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Speaker 1: friends about.

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Speaker 4: And so the IDF has in the BBC story, they

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Speaker 4: have said, quote, we emphasize that the hands of patients

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Speaker 4: who were not suspective of involvement and terrorism were not tied.

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Speaker 4: They deny some specific stuff, and then it looks like

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Speaker 4: they declined to answer questions about other specific things. It

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Speaker 4: was kind of an interesting response from the IDF.

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Speaker 1: Right, there was some right, There was some patients. That's

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Speaker 1: the other thing that makes this the reporting so credible.

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Speaker 1: They said some patients did not have their hands tied, right, some.

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Speaker 4: Right, and they said they don't perform They didn't answer

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Speaker 4: questions about the doctor's cast. So that was one of

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Speaker 4: the things I find interesting, just given that they were

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Speaker 4: answering questions about others. You know, they were saying, for example,

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Speaker 4: that they don't perform mock executions. The IDF does not

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Speaker 4: perform mocks executions. They said it does not and has

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Speaker 4: not carried out mock executions of detainees and rejects such claims,

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Speaker 4: but then didn't answer the questions about the cast, and

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Speaker 4: it denied other things. So it was sort of a

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Speaker 4: mixed response from the IDEF, which is always interesting because

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Speaker 4: a categorical denial is what would be most common, right, and.

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Speaker 1: So then you're wondering, like, what did these medical personnel

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Speaker 1: go through that they felt was a mock execution, yes,

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Speaker 1: and the IDF and what is the IDF's definition here, Well,

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Speaker 1: there's no paperwork, so it wasn't actually a mock execution.

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Speaker 1: It was just we're threatening to put you up against

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Speaker 1: the wall while you're blindfolded, and we might kill you.

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Speaker 1: But they actually didn't even point their guns out. But

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Speaker 1: if you're blindfolded, you don't know that.

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Speaker 4: And we have this video that Eric Tohler and colleagues

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Speaker 4: at the New York Times reported on. This is a voiceover,

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Speaker 4: so we can go ahead and roll it whenever. But

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Speaker 4: Eric Toller posted this to Twitter and said, these really

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Speaker 4: military published a drone video of their strike on two people,

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Speaker 4: one of which was carrying and quote RPG. We asked

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Speaker 4: them and the Idea of admitted that it was actually

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Speaker 4: a bicycle. So if you can stomach watching this video,

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Speaker 4: what you are about to see is this gentleman not

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Speaker 4: carrying an RPG but a bicycle.

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Speaker 3: Having his life snuffed out. He apparently was on his

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Speaker 3: way to pick up flower delivery and was bringing and

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Speaker 3: they were bringing flower back to their back to their families.

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Speaker 1: To me, when this video first circulated, it was always

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Speaker 1: preposterous that this was an RPG. For people that weren't watching,

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Speaker 1: It's two guys walking down the middle of a rubble

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Speaker 1: strewn street and one of them has a long looking

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Speaker 1: thing near his right hand.

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Speaker 3: The reason we have footage of at is that there

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Speaker 3: was a drone overhead. Those drones.

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Speaker 1: If you've watched any video of Gaza or you've talked

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Speaker 1: to people who've been in Gaza, make a buzzing sound.

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Speaker 1: They know that there's a drone over top of them.

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Speaker 1: If they are Hamas fighters with an RPG, they would

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Speaker 1: not be sauntering casually down the middle of the street.

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Speaker 4: This is Mark stired in Gaza City.

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Speaker 1: It makes absolutely no sense that that would be an RPG.

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Speaker 1: Is Israel not watching the telegram videos that Cassam Brigades

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Speaker 1: are posting on a basically daily basis. The guys with

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Speaker 1: the RPGs are crouched inside buildings, sneaking around looking for

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Speaker 1: a window and launching them at tanks. They're not walking

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Speaker 1: down the middle of the street.

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Speaker 3: So this is what this was.

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Speaker 1: Was a drone operator who found human beings and was

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Speaker 1: looking for a kill.

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Speaker 4: So the IDF claims that the route part of this.

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Speaker 4: The reason this happened is that the route had been

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Speaker 4: used to transfer ammunition to fighters that were then attacking

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Speaker 4: the IDF. Their response, this is actually a statement from

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Speaker 4: the Idea of quote of the New York Times. They say,

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Speaker 4: during the several days leading up to the documented strike,

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Speaker 4: armed terrorists used their routschurn in the video in order

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Speaker 4: to transfer ammunition and attack IDEA forces. The strike took

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Speaker 4: place after real time identification of the people as armed

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Speaker 4: terrorists based on information gathered ahead of the strike. So actually,

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Speaker 4: it sounds like they're standing by the contention, even though.

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Speaker 3: They were wrong about the amycle.

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Speaker 4: Classic RPG bicycle mix up tailors all this time. They

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Speaker 4: they're standing by the contention that this was a combatant

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Speaker 4: who was killed in that video.

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Speaker 1: Well, they're saying that they genuinely thought it was, is

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Speaker 1: what they're saying. It sounds like, yeah, because he was

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Speaker 1: in an area that had previously been used for transporting weapons.

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Speaker 3: But Gaz is a very small area. Everywhere is an

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Speaker 3: area where there was recently fighting for the most part.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. So the other thing I wanted to highlight from

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Speaker 4: the So, by the way, this is in the New

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Speaker 4: York Times. It says the Idea of still defended the

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Speaker 4: strike asserting that the two people were combatants without providing

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Speaker 4: its evidence. So they're still standing.

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Speaker 1: By Oh okay, so the well, it's there men in

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Speaker 1: somewhere between like fifteen and sixty five. And that has

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Speaker 1: become another disturbing part of this coverage that any that

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Speaker 1: any man basically is considered to be a fair target.

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Speaker 1: And as a dude, I kind of I reject that premise.

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Speaker 4: The Times also notes that at one point in the

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Speaker 4: video you can actually see the wheel of.

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Speaker 3: The park can be so clearly a bike.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean there's another of the mounting problems

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Speaker 4: for the IDEF. This is sort of a small potatoes

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Speaker 4: compared to the whole the all of the problems for

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Speaker 4: the IDEF, but this one is so clear, of all

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Speaker 4: of the all of the deaths that are sadly stacking up,

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Speaker 4: this one is so clear that it will be a

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Speaker 4: problem for them going forward.

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Speaker 3: And it's for them to not be able to say.

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Speaker 1: We made a mistake. It looked from our perspective like

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Speaker 1: it was an RPG.

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Speaker 3: This is war.

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Speaker 1: Things happen, you know, our sympathies are with the family,

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Speaker 1: like that would be I think would not would not

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Speaker 1: be sufficient because it was so obviously not an RPG,

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Speaker 1: but it would be at least acknowledging the humanity of

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Speaker 1: the person, and that the two people that you killed,

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Speaker 1: the grief that you caused their loved ones, that they

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Speaker 1: won't even do that raises a question of.

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Speaker 3: Like what on earth would they ever acknowledge.

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Speaker 4: I think that's a great point that actually gets at

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Speaker 4: this entire conflict, that you know, the sort of propaganda efforts.

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Speaker 4: We've talked about this many times, the propaganda efforts, which

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Speaker 4: is what happens in war. Obviously Hamas is engaged in

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Speaker 4: propaganda efforts. Obviously that's part of war, but the propaganda

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Speaker 4: efforts on behalf of the IDF and some times, as

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Speaker 4: you point out in that Matt Miller clip, it's difficult

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Speaker 4: for the United States as an ally to even defend

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Speaker 4: how bad some of the propaganda has been. But it

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Speaker 4: is true that when you are attacked and you're engaging

661
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Speaker 4: in war, there's going to be the fog of war

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Speaker 4: that's actually tales all this time. And I think it

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Speaker 4: would behoove is real to have more transparency about some

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Speaker 4: of these things instead of the show of transparency which

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Speaker 4: ultimately ends up to be just pure propaganda.

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Speaker 3: So often, Yeah, stop doing these things.

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Speaker 1: When you do them, apologize and actually not just for

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Speaker 1: the bop the starvation.

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Speaker 4: Don't just apologize for mistaking the RPG, taking a bike.

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Speaker 3: For an Yeah, or you're going to lose the UAE.

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Speaker 3: And that's like, that's good.

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Speaker 1: That's what they don't understand or don't care about, it

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Speaker 1: seems like.

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Speaker 4: And the American like potentially support of the American people,

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Speaker 4: which is absolutely crucial to their effort YEP, which is

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Speaker 4: probably why you have not Yahoo going on Fox and Friends.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's get back to the American people. Let's talk

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Speaker 1: about the American economy for a minute. So yesterday we

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Speaker 1: had new inflation data which is shaking up people's thinking

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Speaker 1: about what the Federal Reserve is going to do when

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Speaker 1: it comes to interest rates going forward, which that has

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Speaker 1: a just reverberates all throughout the rest of the economy.

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Speaker 3: So we can put up this first element here.

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Speaker 1: So consumer prices rose basically a little faster than they

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Speaker 1: were expected zero point four percent in February, which was

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Speaker 1: three point three point two percent rates slightly higher than expected.

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Speaker 3: You know, year year over year.

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Speaker 1: You saw rent and housing continue to be continue its

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Speaker 1: surge you saw gas prices contributing to this inflation spike.

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Speaker 3: Even if you take gas prices out, you started seeing this.

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Speaker 1: And so over the last roughly year in wages, wage

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Speaker 1: growth and particularly wage growth at the bottom, has been

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Speaker 1: outpacing inflation. That's a good thing, like, that's the direction

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Speaker 1: that you want to go. The several years before that,

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Speaker 1: coming out of the pandemic, inflation was rising faster than wages.

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Speaker 1: So basically you need several years of wages growing faster

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Speaker 1: than inflation to catch back up. And so people aren't

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Speaker 1: pulling prices down except eggs.

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Speaker 4: Actually, well, I was saying. Also with high interest rates,

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Speaker 4: you have a lot of people, especially in lower income brackets,

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Speaker 4: who went into debt because they were laid off during

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Speaker 4: the pandemic, so many service workers people in that position

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Speaker 4: paying high interest rates. So not only does wage growth

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Speaker 4: have to be steady for years, you then also have

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Speaker 4: these high interest rates that are compounding the debt. I mean,

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Speaker 4: it's making the debt worse and worse and a deeper

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Speaker 4: and deeper hole to climb out of. So even if

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Speaker 4: your wages are climbing, you still are going to have

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Speaker 4: a steep hill ahead of you to get out of

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Speaker 4: the debt.

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Speaker 1: And one thing I think people aren't quite realizing when

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Speaker 1: it comes to how rough this part of the economy

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Speaker 1: feels like, is how kind of good it was in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty. And it's hard to say good in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty the same sentence, because you had the lockdowns, you

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Speaker 1: had had the pandemic. It was it was a difficult

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Speaker 1: time kind of socially and culturally. But when it came

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Speaker 1: to finances, people were doing a lot better because you

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Speaker 1: got all of these direct checks. You had this what

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Speaker 1: they called the super doll the six hundred dollars a

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Speaker 1: week in unemployment.

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Speaker 3: You had you know, multiple checks rolling out.

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Speaker 1: You had checks in March twenty twenty, you had checks

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Speaker 1: again in December twenty twenty, then you had checks again.

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Speaker 3: In February, March twenty twenty one. Just your bank account

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Speaker 3: one day like this, don't do any work and boop,

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Speaker 3: all of a sudden, thousands of dollars in your bank account, like.

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Speaker 4: Help to your business.

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Speaker 1: And interest rates were down under three not a mortgage

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Speaker 1: interest rates under three percent. And what that did is

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Speaker 1: it allowed basically everybody had a home at the time

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Speaker 1: refinanced and they so there their monthly nut went down

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Speaker 1: and they a lot of people cashed out, so they

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Speaker 1: had more cash in their pockets month to month. And

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Speaker 1: you know, they had taken say, let's say ten fifteen

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Speaker 1: thousand dollars out and they did and either that padded

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Speaker 1: their savings account for the you know, the problems that

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Speaker 1: are you know that that always come up in life,

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Speaker 1: or they did the thing that they needed to do

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Speaker 1: for so long, you know, the you know, repair repaired

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Speaker 1: the leaky bathtub, you know, got got the.

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Speaker 3: House painted, whatever.

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Speaker 1: And so to go from that to then prices spiking

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Speaker 1: at nine percent back in twenty twenty one and then

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Speaker 1: come coming down but not coming but not having enough

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Speaker 1: time to recover is you know, sucks for sucks for

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Speaker 1: this economy because you need more time for wages to

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Speaker 1: outpace inflation. A year is not enough, like you need

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Speaker 1: like five years actually, I mean to get back to

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Speaker 1: a like humane economy, you would need like one hundred

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Speaker 1: years of wages outpacing inflation.

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Speaker 4: So let's put this next element up on the screen

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Speaker 4: from Jason Furman because ryand I'm curious what you made

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Speaker 4: of Jason Furman's analysis. He puts some of these numbers

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Speaker 4: into Basically he was looking at core services, core goods,

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Speaker 4: and what you're seeing, and this is important if you're

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Speaker 4: watching this, You go back to about twenty ten, and

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Speaker 4: the core goods prices are actually all the way to

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Speaker 4: where they are around right now. They have this huge

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Speaker 4: spike around twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two, and then

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Speaker 4: they've dipped now down to where they were almost in

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Speaker 4: like twenty fourteen, which is similar to where things were

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Speaker 4: before the pandemic around twenty twenty. Core services spikes right

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Speaker 4: around twenty twenty. It was on kind of a steady

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Speaker 4: climb from twenty twelve, roughly around twenty ten twenty twelve,

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Speaker 4: but then where it is now is so much higher

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Speaker 4: than where it has been for core services. So that's

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Speaker 4: things like shelter, and Furman specifically calls out shelter, So

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Speaker 4: the cost of rent, the cost of housing, that is

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Speaker 4: way higher than it has been in anyone's recent memory.

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Speaker 4: And that is that's why some of this is so uneven.

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Speaker 4: So when you're seeing Paul Krugman's analysis that actually everything's fine,

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Speaker 4: it depends, I mean, it just really depends on who

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Speaker 4: you are, what kind of life you live, if you

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Speaker 4: if you own if you're in what your finances look like.

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Speaker 4: This is a really really tough economy for a lot

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Speaker 4: of people, and for many people specifically because of that

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Speaker 4: core services mark that is not anywhere near where it

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Speaker 4: used to be, right, and that is it is significantly higher.

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Speaker 3: And there was this big debate is inflation transitory? Is it?

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Speaker 3: Is it endemic?

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Speaker 1: The transitory crowd looking at that core goods I think

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Speaker 1: can argue, like from a cane's in old school perspective,

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Speaker 1: was absolutely correct. That was obviously transitory, Like you had

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Speaker 1: you had a stimulus, and you had you had some greedflation,

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Speaker 1: and you had an opening up of the economy after

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Speaker 1: the pandemic. The price of goods popped and then the

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Speaker 1: price of goods came back down. That was to be

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Speaker 1: expected and transitory. The services inflation is an endemic problem.

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Speaker 1: That is that is going to need to be sorted out.

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Speaker 1: You've also got uh home insurance, auto insurance, health insurance,

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Speaker 1: those all those other costs you know that are just

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Speaker 1: utilities that are just part of your something.

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Speaker 3: Some utilities are in.

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Speaker 1: Core goods that are just kind of part of daily

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Speaker 1: life and they're just more expensive. And what that does

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Speaker 1: is you know, you you just feel that by the

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Speaker 1: middle of every month, it's that that amount of money

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Speaker 1: is coming out of your paycheck, and your paycheck is

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Speaker 1: just isn't going as as far as it used to.

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Speaker 1: Even as you know, wages did grow for the last

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Speaker 1: year faster, faster than inflation, but you need a lot

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Speaker 1: more than that.

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Speaker 4: So I actually want to play this clip of Gary Cohene,

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Speaker 4: who is one of Trump's Goldman Boys, is on I

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Speaker 4: think this is on CBS Face the Nation the week

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Speaker 4: because I think he made a pretty good point in

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Speaker 4: the context of why people are feeling as though the

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Speaker 4: economy isn't great. So Biden is not polling very well

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Speaker 4: in the economy again, despite people like Paul Krugman and

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Speaker 4: many many others actually who have said, you know why,

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Speaker 4: aren't this optimism or this pessimism that the public is

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Speaker 4: experiencing is not backed up by data. The media is

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Speaker 4: telling way too negative a story about the economy. Listen

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Speaker 4: to Gary Khane here.

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Speaker 9: Inflation has a compounding effect, meaning is you look at

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Speaker 9: inflation year over year, you're adding up those numbers. You're

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Speaker 9: not starting at zero every year. So if we had

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Speaker 9: six percent inflation last year, seven percent inflation, and now

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Speaker 9: we have four percent inflation. That's ten percent inflation. So

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Speaker 9: if you take a basket of groceries at the beginning

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Speaker 9: of twenty twenty, just a simple basic basket that cost

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Speaker 9: one hundred dollars, it costs well over one hundred and

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Speaker 9: twenty five dollars today because those four percent one year

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Speaker 9: and seven percent one year and seven percent the next year,

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Speaker 9: they add up the cumultive so there's a huge cumulative

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Speaker 9: effect inflation.

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Speaker 3: So when people are being told consumers, you're wrong inflations.

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Speaker 4: Had no, they're right.

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Speaker 3: They're completely right. Actually they're completely right.

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Speaker 9: And what they're more right about is we at least

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Speaker 9: finally have gotten to the position where wage growth is

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Speaker 9: faster than inflation. But we had not been there till

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Speaker 9: the last few months, so people were losing purchasing power

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Speaker 9: and that's why people were angry. And then take on

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Speaker 9: top of that the high interest rate environment where if

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Speaker 9: you thought you might have been in a position to

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Speaker 9: buy a house because you save money, you go out

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Speaker 9: to get a mortgage at seven or eight percent, you

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Speaker 9: can't afford a house.

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Speaker 4: So Conor's non executive at IBM, after leading the Trump

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Speaker 4: National Economic Council. But that is completely accurate.

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Speaker 1: Ryan, Yeah, right, And as he says, wages finally were

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Speaker 1: growing faster than inflation, which as somebody who you know

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Speaker 1: advocated for robust government spending you know, throughout the Panda,

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Speaker 1: throughout the pandemic, to see wages growing faster than inflation

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Speaker 1: is extremely satisfying, vindicating.

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Speaker 3: And to see.

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Speaker 1: Unemployment below four percent, which is driving all of this

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Speaker 1: labor militancy and could you know, is helping to reshape

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Speaker 1: the political economy, giving more power to workers rather than bosses,

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Speaker 1: like all of all of that is a good thing.

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Speaker 1: But tying it in with the the UH, with the greedflation,

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Speaker 1: which was these you know, corporations, you know, seeing the

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Speaker 1: opportunity to raise prices and just taking profits and walking

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Speaker 1: away with it. Plus the obvious inflation you were going

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Speaker 1: to get from the supply chains and the open just

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Speaker 1: the opening up of the economy after a pandemic, UH,

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Speaker 1: you know, has left people you know, way behind. And

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Speaker 1: he and you know, so often we economists and the

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Speaker 1: news talk about inflation either in month to month terms

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Speaker 1: or year over year terms.

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Speaker 3: But he's right, like we're all we're all adults, Like

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Speaker 3: we remember what it costs to go to the grocery

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Speaker 3: store three or four years ago. Yeah, and we now

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Speaker 3: know what it costs today.

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Speaker 1: And as he's saying, one hundred dollars bag is now

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Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty five dollars bag. And that's a

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Speaker 1: that's a huge problem.

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Speaker 4: One of the reasons I think we talk about it

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Speaker 4: in that context is because, like this report, so this

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Speaker 4: is the BLS data, that's what we're talking about. We

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Speaker 4: started with the CNBC sterarisheet about that. They put out

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Speaker 4: the monthly data, they put out the year over year

875
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 4: data on inflation. And so that's what the media caused

876
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,320
Speaker 4: like the hook, and that's economists or in the weeds

877
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 4: analyzing changes in specific aspects of the baskets on the

878
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 4: month to month basis, because that's what's relevant every single month.

879
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 3: When sometimes you get a bird, you get a bird

880
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 3: flu and eggs are super expensive. But well that's not

881
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 3: it's not a macroeconomic issue, right, that's all the birds

882
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 3: got killed, right, right.

883
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 4: But if you're just a consumer, if you're not a

884
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,399
Speaker 4: member of the media or an economist, so ninety nine

885
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 4: percent of the population, the year over year is what

886
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 4: really matters to you because you're comparing it to what

887
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 4: you were paying before and what your wages were before,

888
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 4: and so yeah, I mean it's it's obvious. That's how

889
00:45:58,719 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 4: people think about it normally.

890
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: And also, yes, and inflation for the most part, and

891
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 1: price growth is pretty steady across everybody's everybody gets gas,

892
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 1: everybody's got car insurance.

893
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:09,800
Speaker 3: I mean not everybody's car insurance, but a lot of

894
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 3: people do not.

895
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 1: I guess not everybody buys gasoline, but a lot of

896
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 1: people do. Everybody eats, so everybody feels those price increases.

897
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 1: You know, wage growth depends on the company you work,

898
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 1: depends if you switch jobs, depends depends where you live, uh,

899
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 1: depends on all sorts of other factors. And so for

900
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 1: lots of people, you know, they're seeing significantly better wage

901
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 1: growth than inflation over the last several years. For other

902
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 1: people they're making less, they're not doing you know, for

903
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,840
Speaker 1: others they're right in the middle. There, we've got the

904
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:46,240
Speaker 1: we've got this trade publication, the COBC letter that actually

905
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 1: dug even deeper into these numbers. If we can pull

906
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 1: this up. They say they they dug in on super

907
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 1: core inflation, and what they're what they found is even

908
00:46:55,239 --> 00:47:00,399
Speaker 1: more disturbing than and so they say on a three

909
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 1: month annualized basis, super core inflation jumped six point nine

910
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 1: percent in February, which is huge. That's pushing back to

911
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two levels. Core services less shelter inflation is

912
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 1: a key metric that the FED follows, So in January

913
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 1: the metric jumped zero point seven percent month over month,

914
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,800
Speaker 1: the biggest jumps in September twenty twenty two. In February

915
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:23,360
Speaker 1: is up another half point month over month after multiple

916
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 1: increases in twenty three. They say, all while real wage

917
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:29,240
Speaker 1: growth is turning negative again and the fight against inflation

918
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:30,240
Speaker 1: is far from over.

919
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 3: So inflation is one thing.

920
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 1: If wages are going faster than inflation, if wages are

921
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 1: losing purchasing power to inflation, that's that's when things turn

922
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 1: deeply ugly again.

923
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:48,280
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, So a lot of positive signs, but also

924
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 4: could potentially be some really negative stuff. And I mean

925
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 4: there is really negative stuff if you're looking under the hood.

926
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 4: But trends, of course, could continue to go into a

927
00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 4: frightening direction for a whole lot of people.

928
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 1: Ryan, All right, let's move on to Haiti and let's

929
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 1: talk about what's really going on over there.

930
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 3: Let's put up this first element here.

931
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 1: So the big news is that Kenya, which have been

932
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 1: pressured by the United States to send a thousand police

933
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 1: officers as basically an invasion force under the auspices of

934
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,720
Speaker 1: the United Nations, has now said that it's hitting pause

935
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 1: on whether it's actually going to do that.

936
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 3: As the de facto.

937
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 1: Fake prime minister has said that he will resign his

938
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:33,359
Speaker 1: fake position once the United States and its allies has

939
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 1: created a new fake government in Jamaica to take its place.

940
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 1: The Kenyans are using this opportunity to say, you know what,

941
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 1: I don't think so not so.

942
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 3: Sure we're actually going to go along with this.

943
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 1: So to back things up, in twenty twenty two, there

944
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 1: was a extraordinarily contentious and contested and not very widely

945
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 1: credited election in Kenya.

946
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 3: We're president William rot To was elected.

947
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 1: Since his election in the US was very clearly backing him,

948
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:11,439
Speaker 1: the entire way celebrated his very shady victory. Since then,

949
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:14,839
Speaker 1: Kenya has taken all sorts of odd international positions. If

950
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 1: you look at that giant green board in the United

951
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 1: Nations and you see the weird countries that are like

952
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 1: siding with the United States and Israel in these like

953
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: you know, two hundred and fifty to five votes, Kenya

954
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 1: is always right there with them. Keny one of the

955
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 1: only countries in the Quasi region that joined with the

956
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 1: US in this operation Prosperity Guardian going after the going

957
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:40,319
Speaker 1: after the Houthis, and they're guard guarding the prosperity the

958
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 1: Hoothies with their blockade of the Red Sea. And then

959
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, Kenya is like, sure, we'll send

960
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 1: troops to Haiti.

961
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 3: That sounds like something we'd love to do.

962
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 1: The Kenyan population obviously, is wildly against the idea that

963
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 1: the Kenyans would go and occupy Haiti.

964
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 4: Well, there's money in it for ken obviously.

965
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 3: That's we're paying for it.

966
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:04,799
Speaker 1: Yes, So not only are we paying for that, yes,

967
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 1: So the US on a State Department said yesterday that yes,

968
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 1: it's they confirmed we're going to pick up the tab

969
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 1: for this entire invasion and occupation, although we're hoping that

970
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 1: the French and some others you know, kick in, the

971
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:18,839
Speaker 1: Canadians might kick in here and there. Meanwhile, we're also

972
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 1: facilitating billions in World Bank loans to Kenya that are

973
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 1: effectively facilitating kind of an ethnic cleansing campaign.

974
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 3: That that that the Kenyan government is operating in rural parts,

975
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,359
Speaker 3: which which we'll talk about later in the show. This

976
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 3: is about Haiti. We'll talk about Haiti here. Uh.

977
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 1: The context of this is this US created government. So

978
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 1: the US has been creating governments for Haiti, you know,

979
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 1: for more than one hundred years. Sometimes they're just actual

980
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 1: US governments they're occupying Haiti. Other times, Uh, they are

981
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 1: US allied governments that we installed after a coup. Other times,

982
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 1: the Haitians rise up managed for a while to have

983
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:05,400
Speaker 1: some type of self determination, which we then undermine and

984
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:06,760
Speaker 1: come in and replace.

985
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 3: And we do this every five years or so, and.

986
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 1: Then we keep wondering what's wrong with the Haitians, Why

987
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 1: can't they get their act together, rather than saying maybe

988
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 1: it's us who've been doing this for more than one

989
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:21,320
Speaker 1: hundred years and and continue to make things.

990
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 3: Worse for them.

991
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 1: Maybe it's us, but maybe not. So they're going to

992
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:26,919
Speaker 1: try again. So they met in Jamaica. Matt Miller said

993
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 1: that the state's department spokesperson said that there were some

994
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:35,320
Speaker 1: Haitian civil society representatives who zoomed in to the meeting

995
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 1: in Jamaica to form the new government. The condition for

996
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 1: being part of this new government created by the US

997
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 1: and its core group allies is that, well, a, you

998
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:47,799
Speaker 1: can't be any people that the United States doesn't like.

999
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 1: We can get into that a minute, but you have

1000
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:55,319
Speaker 1: to support Kenyon troops coming into your country. Then they

1001
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 1: come around and say, well, the Haitian government is requesting

1002
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 1: the international troops from Kenya to come occupy its country.

1003
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 1: Except okay, yes, we just made this government in Jamaica,

1004
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 1: and we insist that a condition for joining the government

1005
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:11,479
Speaker 1: was that you agree with this policy ahead of time.

1006
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:16,359
Speaker 1: It's like absolutely crazy making. Meanwhile, the actual power in

1007
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 1: Haiti is our man friend of the show, Jimmy Barbecue Shirazier.

1008
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 1: Let's roll a little bit of barbecue here. Go ahead,

1009
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 1: Emily Dusk, describe what people are seeing here.

1010
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:35,920
Speaker 4: So you're seeing barbecue. You're seeing a barbecue saying that

1011
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 4: it's important to tell the international community to give Haiti

1012
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 4: a chance because what is happening in Haiti now, and

1013
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:45,479
Speaker 4: he's speaking in French. We Haitians have to decide who

1014
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 4: is going to lead the country. So that's to the

1015
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 4: point Ryan just made, And what kind of model of

1016
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 4: government that we want. We are going to figure it

1017
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 4: out how to get Haiti out of the misery it

1018
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 4: is in now. If the international community, he continues, continues

1019
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 4: on the oh you are on now, it will plunge

1020
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 4: Haiti into further chaos. And again, we as soon as

1021
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 4: the assassination of juvenal moys happened, it was very clear

1022
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 4: that we would end up exactly where we're ending up

1023
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 4: with people. In fact, like Barbecue gangs basically control eighty

1024
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 4: percent of Haiti. That's the estimate. It's kind of impossible

1025
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:21,839
Speaker 4: to get that estimate anyway, but that's a sessiment from

1026
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 4: the UN and other groups.

1027
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 3: Right.

1028
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 1: And so here's the interesting question, is that still a gang?

1029
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:29,479
Speaker 1: I wish we should interview our old libertarian buddy Robbi

1030
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:32,720
Speaker 1: Suave about this, because a gang, what is a government

1031
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 1: except a gang that was successful in taking power and

1032
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:37,760
Speaker 1: monopolizing violence.

1033
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 4: Because whoever is installed by the core group is going

1034
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 4: to have to negotiate with Barbecue. There's no other question

1035
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 4: about it. And I don't know you were in I

1036
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 4: found this sort of US fixation on Barbecue to be

1037
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 4: in some ways like incredibly distasteful because it's almost it's

1038
00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 4: patronizing in a really gross way, like, oh, what a

1039
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 4: mess Haiti is. It's led by a man named Barbecue, right.

1040
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:09,320
Speaker 1: And on TikTok and elsewhere, you're seeing this these claims

1041
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 1: that he's a cannibal, which you're like, is it twenty

1042
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 1: twenty four and you're still calling like, like Haitian figures

1043
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 1: like cannibals.

1044
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 4: The US backed de Valiers had plenty of WE backed

1045
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:30,399
Speaker 4: the Devaliers had plenty of interests in voodoo and all

1046
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:32,880
Speaker 4: of that. I mean, it's it's not like I'm not

1047
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:35,359
Speaker 4: talking about cannibalism specifically, but the things that people are

1048
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 4: now finding to be very amusing about Haiti. It's just

1049
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:39,760
Speaker 4: it is. It's grouse.

1050
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, And hey, is Barbecue a rough dude.

1051
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 1: He's a rough dude, but he gets the name barbecue

1052
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 1: comes from the fact that his dad like sold barbecue

1053
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,320
Speaker 1: chicken on the side of the road, right, Like that's

1054
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:52,439
Speaker 1: like it's he's not called barbecue because he barbecues people

1055
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 1: and eats them.

1056
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:57,320
Speaker 4: So, right, And you asked Matt Miller questions just yesterday

1057
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:00,040
Speaker 4: at the State Department briefing and pushed him on this

1058
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 4: question of Haiti.

1059
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's watch that follow up on his point about

1060
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 1: the resignation of arryel on Ree after Moy's assassination. Henri

1061
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:10,280
Speaker 1: was plausibly linked to it via phone calls and others,

1062
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:12,440
Speaker 1: and was not in line to take power, But it

1063
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:14,360
Speaker 1: was the US and the core Group that kind of

1064
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 1: recognized him and pressured Claude Joseph's power. He was seen

1065
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 1: as illegitimate at the time, called it the fact of

1066
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 1: Prime Minister. In retrospect, was it a mistake to have

1067
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 1: pushed Joseph aside or pushed anybody aside for Onrie, given

1068
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 1: that Onried now a couple of years later, is out

1069
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 1: after a failed.

1070
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 8: So ultimately that wasn't a decision for the United States,

1071
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 8: and what happens now is not a decision.

1072
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:37,959
Speaker 7: For the United States.

1073
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 1: The US and the Core Group made the decision by

1074
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 1: recognizing it.

1075
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:43,840
Speaker 8: We will continue our goal all along has been a

1076
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 8: transition to democracy and trying to achieve a stable security

1077
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 8: situation on the ground so that Haitian political leaders have

1078
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:56,400
Speaker 8: the room to make the to make the tough choices

1079
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 8: they need to make.

1080
00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 1: But then why endorset foreign inner mention of troops from

1081
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 1: outside of Haiti to come in like in twenty and

1082
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:07,799
Speaker 1: four twenty ten, twenty twenty one, the State's Department, the

1083
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 1: Core group got their way when it came to who

1084
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:13,919
Speaker 1: would form the Haitian government. That's setting aside the occupations

1085
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 1: and invasions of the past, what makes you confident that

1086
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:20,399
Speaker 1: this time it's going to work so all the other times.

1087
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 8: So first of all, I'd say that the Multi National

1088
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:26,400
Speaker 8: Security Support Mission will be there at the invitation of

1089
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:29,760
Speaker 8: the Haitian government. That is a key prerequisite for their deployment.

1090
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Speaker 3: And it's what the guys just made that government age

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Speaker 3: to make.

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Speaker 8: But it's what the hold on. It's what the Kenyan

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00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:37,360
Speaker 8: government said in their statement. They have to have a

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Speaker 8: government that has invited them with which they can collaborate,

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00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 8: and it's why they're looking for the appointment of this

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Speaker 8: Presidential Transition Council and ultimately a new Prime Minister and

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Speaker 8: ultimately a new government. But when it comes to what

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00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:53,400
Speaker 8: just happened in Jamaica, again, this was a collaboration of

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Speaker 8: CARACOM leaders, Haitian civil society, the United States, Canada, France, Mexico, Brazil,

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Speaker 8: all of whom have an interest in seeing stability and

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00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 8: all of whom have the same goal.

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Speaker 4: That was actually kind of funny and in a really

1103
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 4: dark and twisted way where you're interrupting him to say,

1104
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:13,440
Speaker 4: you guys made that decision, and where he says it

1105
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 4: was not the decision of the US to recognize Ario

1106
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 4: Henri or basically to back Onnrey, you were like, well,

1107
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 4: you recognized him, the core group recognized him.

1108
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 3: When he wasn't the Prime minister.

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00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 4: No, he was in this like the cloud you mentioned

1110
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Speaker 4: Claude Joseph. There's a huge power struggle that people memory hold.

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00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:33,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, And then he said, well that the Haitian the

1112
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 1: troops are there at the request of the Haitian government,

1113
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 1: the Haitian government that we just made in a hotel

1114
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 1: room yesterday zoom in Jamaica. Afterwards, I asked him a

1115
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 1: question that I think will be important down the road.

1116
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 1: I said, is there any particular Haitian that the US

1117
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 1: would not want to see come to power? And he said, no,

1118
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 1: that's again, that's that's for the Haitian people. And I

1119
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 1: have two people in mind, and let's let's talk about

1120
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 1: stuff you can't talk about on the normal, normal news program.

1121
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 1: When I asked question one is one is g Philippe,

1122
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 1: who is super controversial figure because he was involved in

1123
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:08,440
Speaker 1: the two thousand and four coup. So this is a

1124
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 1: this was at a US stooge who helped overthrow Aristeid,

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00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 1: but has since become something of a kind of revolutionary figure,

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00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 1: and the US locked him up from twenty seventeen until

1127
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 1: just recently. He's now back in Haiti and is widely

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00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 1: considered to be as a politician because he's served in

1129
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Speaker 1: the Senate before the US threw him in prison for

1130
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 1: drug smuggling. And the way you know he's probably innocent

1131
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 1: is that they actually convicted him of drug smuggling. Like

1132
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 1: if you're a real drug smuggler in Haiti, they're not

1133
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 1: going to touch you. Like that's just that's that's like

1134
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 1: how that works over there. So he's extremely popular, but

1135
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 1: the US hates him. The other one, though, Barbecue Barbecue,

1136
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:53,439
Speaker 1: is the guy who's kind of running the show at

1137
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 1: this point. And we call him, we call him a

1138
00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 1: gang leader, we call him a criminal, we call him

1139
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 1: a cannibal, and the cannibal.

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Speaker 3: Thing is obviously absurd.

1141
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 1: Criminal sure, but like we said, what is a state

1142
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 1: and states sometimes are formed through revolution. You know, he

1143
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:16,480
Speaker 1: calls himself the actual name, like he is the revolutionary

1144
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 1: forces of the G nine family and allies. So that's

1145
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 1: that's an alliance of basically nine gangs that have that

1146
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 1: have gotten together and they've made him kind of their

1147
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:29,720
Speaker 1: their leader and their spokesperson. He basically had an alliance

1148
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 1: with juvenile moys who comes from outside of quarter of

1149
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 1: friends had the rural rural support. Yeah, and and Moy's

1150
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:42,440
Speaker 1: Moyes's deal with UH with the G nine was basically,

1151
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 1: as long as you are keeping the peace in your neighborhood,

1152
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 1: there's and there's peace and justice, then we're not going

1153
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:53,520
Speaker 1: like then that's fine.

1154
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 3: Like then you're basically the government in this area. Uh.

1155
00:59:59,320 --> 00:59:59,960
Speaker 3: Barbecue is no.

1156
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:03,440
Speaker 1: In his areas to have extremely low crime outside of

1157
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:06,600
Speaker 1: Barbecue crime. Some of the other gangs not so much.

1158
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 1: Some of the other gangs take advantage of their situation,

1159
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 1: just the same way that police forces around the world,

1160
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 1: if they're corrupted, take advantage of their position to extract bribes, kickbacks,

1161
01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:21,720
Speaker 1: use extortion, blackmail, you use their monopoly on violence to

1162
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:26,320
Speaker 1: you know, to enrich themselves. No reason to think that

1163
01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 1: a quote unquote legitimate police force that the US installs,

1164
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 1: which troops, is.

1165
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 3: Going to do any differently.

1166
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:35,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the joke.

1167
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 1: So to me, I think you should. I think you

1168
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 1: should actually do what Matt Miller is saying, like, let

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01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 1: the Haitian people work this out. And if that means

1170
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 1: that they get behind geth Philip and Barbecue. Why do

1171
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 1: we know so much better than them. If they need

1172
01:00:55,720 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 1: help with logistics, with financing, with credit, fine, but troops,

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01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:02,680
Speaker 1: they don't need troops.

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Speaker 3: It's not need international troops.

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Speaker 4: It's not even just this idea that we know better.

1176
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 4: It's this idea that Haiti is like a playground for

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01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:11,720
Speaker 4: us to control the hemisphere, which is obviously not a

1178
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:13,760
Speaker 4: new thing at all. I mean, it goes throughout time,

1179
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:16,440
Speaker 4: throughout the Cold War in particular. But one of the

1180
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:18,960
Speaker 4: people who's been saying exactly what Barbecue is saying is

1181
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:21,920
Speaker 4: someone that we had on the show. Biden appointed Daniel

1182
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:25,960
Speaker 4: Foote a special envoy to Haiti right after the assassination

1183
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:29,200
Speaker 4: of Jovenial Moys, which, by the way, a man was

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01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 4: just convicted of. He was an ex DEA informant. The

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01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 4: DEA claims he was not acting on behalf of the

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01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 4: United States government. He and others identified themselves as DEA

1187
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:45,920
Speaker 4: agents when they stormed Jovenil Moys's compound in all the

1188
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 4: way back during the assassination itself, Moys had the support

1189
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:51,919
Speaker 4: of the United State. At the back of the United States,

1190
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:54,560
Speaker 4: people questioned whether that was there were cracks in that foundation.

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01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 4: He had sort of appointed Ril and Rai as a successor.

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01:01:57,080 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 4: Two days later he was assassinated by people purporting to

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Speaker 4: be dee A agents. It's how insane and twisted the

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01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:05,720
Speaker 4: story is. But Daniel Foot has been saying exactly what

1195
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:08,400
Speaker 4: Barbecue is saying that you need to let the people

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01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:12,960
Speaker 4: of Haiti determine who their next leader is and break

1197
01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:17,520
Speaker 4: the cycle of US control. And you know what, I

1198
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:19,160
Speaker 4: think this is one of the least covered stories. We

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Speaker 4: can put the next next element up on the screen.

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Speaker 4: One of the main reasons, according to Foot, perhaps the

1201
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:28,560
Speaker 4: chief reason this is he called it when he was

1202
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:30,480
Speaker 4: in an interview with us here on this show. He said,

1203
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:32,960
Speaker 4: the straw that broke the camel's back for him when

1204
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:35,720
Speaker 4: he resigned just two months after he was appointed to

1205
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:38,720
Speaker 4: that post, was that a huge priority of the Biden

1206
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:41,760
Speaker 4: administration that he was representing in these negotiations with Haiti

1207
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:45,840
Speaker 4: was the ability to deport Haitian migrants back to port

1208
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:48,360
Speaker 4: All prints. Even in that picture, if you're watching this,

1209
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:50,400
Speaker 4: you see a Haitian migrant. That's a picture that I

1210
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:54,040
Speaker 4: took in Matamoros and the Haitian migrants there, every single

1211
01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:56,760
Speaker 4: one of them. They came from Argentina, Chile, Brazil. A

1212
01:02:56,760 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 4: lot of people know that by now, they do not.

1213
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 4: They all wanted to across the border legally because the

1214
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:04,040
Speaker 4: last thing that they wanted was to go back to

1215
01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:05,960
Speaker 4: Portal Prince. Most of them hadn't lived there since the

1216
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:09,439
Speaker 4: earthquake in twenty ten, some of them twenty fourteen, maybe

1217
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:13,440
Speaker 4: the last five years. But the Biden administration, and this

1218
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:15,520
Speaker 4: is from my perspective, I think Ryan and I disagree

1219
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:18,280
Speaker 4: on this, but my perspective is that Joe Biden is

1220
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:22,960
Speaker 4: too cowardly to actually make tough changes to our asylum policy.

1221
01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:25,920
Speaker 4: So what he does instead are these band aid policies

1222
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:30,080
Speaker 4: that are just a patchwork that end up incentivizing the

1223
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:33,040
Speaker 4: flow of people Haitians. Every single Haitian I talked to

1224
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:35,720
Speaker 4: was an economic migrant. Doesn't mean their life was great

1225
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:39,200
Speaker 4: in Chile or Argentina. It was they wanted a better

1226
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:41,920
Speaker 4: life in the United States. They'll openly say that it's

1227
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:45,360
Speaker 4: not qualify under our That does not qualify you for

1228
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:48,280
Speaker 4: asylum under a law in the most for the most part,

1229
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:49,840
Speaker 4: but you can get into the United States. You can

1230
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 4: get entry into the United States, make some money, maybe

1231
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:55,200
Speaker 4: you get kicked out in two years. I've talked to

1232
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:58,400
Speaker 4: Haitians at a shelter in Texas. I saw their papers physically,

1233
01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:01,600
Speaker 4: their hearings were two years done. The road is just

1234
01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:06,040
Speaker 4: an absolute abject disaster, and once again the Biden administration

1235
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:10,080
Speaker 4: sees Haiti as a pawn. One of the reasons, according

1236
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:12,600
Speaker 4: to Daniel Foot, that they were continuing to back Henri

1237
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:15,520
Speaker 4: as he was not calling for elections. That was a

1238
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:17,680
Speaker 4: huge part of the reason the back Henri was We're

1239
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:21,480
Speaker 4: going to get onto this on ramp towards democracy. But

1240
01:04:21,640 --> 01:04:24,440
Speaker 4: even as Henri was not calling for elections, haven't been

1241
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 4: elections in Haiti since twenty sixteen. The last terms for

1242
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:32,440
Speaker 4: people in their Senate expired last year. All through all

1243
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:34,320
Speaker 4: of that, one of the reasons is that Ariel Henri,

1244
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:37,800
Speaker 4: one of the top reasons, would accept migrant flights back

1245
01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 4: to Port au Prince to in the tens of thousands.

1246
01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:42,400
Speaker 4: Tens of thousands. Horrible, Bryan, do you remember the stories,

1247
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:45,560
Speaker 4: the horrible, heart wrenching stories of Haitians, like trying to

1248
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:49,480
Speaker 4: get off the planes before they were in the air

1249
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 4: because they found out they were going to Port af Prince.

1250
01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:53,080
Speaker 4: That is the last thing they ever wanted.

1251
01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:58,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, and reminded me of this nineteen ninety four famous

1252
01:04:58,080 --> 01:05:01,920
Speaker 1: Joe Biden quote where he said, if Haiti just quietly

1253
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:04,959
Speaker 1: sunk into the Caribbean or rose up three hundred feet,

1254
01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:07,920
Speaker 1: it wouldn't matter a whole lot in terms of our interests.

1255
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:11,400
Speaker 3: And so, yeah, Biden, I forgot that was a Biden quote. Yeah,

1256
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:12,640
Speaker 3: that's a Joe Biden quote.

1257
01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:15,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's just yeah, Haiti is just once again

1258
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:17,760
Speaker 4: a pawn on the Great Chess Board. It's not the

1259
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:20,880
Speaker 4: Cold War anymore, but Haiti is upon on the chess board.

1260
01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:23,480
Speaker 4: And the problem with this is it's again we were

1261
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:25,560
Speaker 4: talking about doom spirals earlier in the show. This is

1262
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 4: a doom spiral. And that's one of the things that

1263
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:30,439
Speaker 4: Daniel Foot he made this argument with us, he said,

1264
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:33,880
Speaker 4: that is quote counterproductive, and it is because Portop Prince

1265
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:36,080
Speaker 4: is in shambles right now, and you're going to send

1266
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:38,600
Speaker 4: tens of thousands of people who desperately don't want to

1267
01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:41,439
Speaker 4: be there, who haven't lived there in years, back onto

1268
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:45,920
Speaker 4: the streets. If you continue appointing your stooges to lead Haiti,

1269
01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:49,680
Speaker 4: you're going to continue into the cycle of despair. You're

1270
01:05:49,720 --> 01:05:51,840
Speaker 4: going to have more people leaving, You're going to have

1271
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:56,360
Speaker 4: a completely destabilized region. Countries like on Duras and dr

1272
01:05:56,680 --> 01:06:00,000
Speaker 4: and other places are actually having their own border cross

1273
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:02,680
Speaker 4: issues with Haitian migrants right now because people are fleeing

1274
01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:07,760
Speaker 4: in desperation. So it's not even productive. It's not constructive

1275
01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:10,120
Speaker 4: in the long term for stability in the region. But

1276
01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:13,280
Speaker 4: all that matters is the short term goals of whoever

1277
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:15,160
Speaker 4: is in power here in the United States and Trump,

1278
01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:16,280
Speaker 4: by the way back Noys.

1279
01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:20,480
Speaker 1: As well, and exactly what foot warned about. We invited

1280
01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:22,160
Speaker 1: him onto the show today, he couldn't make it. He's

1281
01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:24,640
Speaker 1: actually going to be here tomorrow. I'm filling in for Crystal.

1282
01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:29,200
Speaker 1: So stick around tomorrow for the former envoy to Haiti,

1283
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:33,120
Speaker 1: Daniel Foote, who resigned in protest, and he'll talk about

1284
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:40,880
Speaker 1: his fired uptake on how things are unfolding. Now, speaking

1285
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:44,480
Speaker 1: of debacles, let's move on to the war in Ukraine

1286
01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:48,560
Speaker 1: and we can put up this first element here Russian

1287
01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:53,320
Speaker 1: President Vladimir Putin gave a fascinating interview which follows on

1288
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:56,320
Speaker 1: his Tucker Carlson interview where he hinted that he was

1289
01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:59,360
Speaker 1: open strongly hinted that he was open to serious negotiations

1290
01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:01,680
Speaker 1: about bringing the war to an end.

1291
01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:05,200
Speaker 3: Now, in an interview that our.

1292
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:08,080
Speaker 1: Friend of the show, Jegor Katkin, says that the Kremlin

1293
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:10,000
Speaker 1: is kind of blasting all over to the world, which

1294
01:07:10,040 --> 01:07:12,360
Speaker 1: shows that this is not a gap. This was a

1295
01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:15,520
Speaker 1: very kind of calculated message that he is now sending out.

1296
01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:19,760
Speaker 1: He says Russia is ready for peace negotiations with Ukraine

1297
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:23,600
Speaker 1: based on the realities that have developed on the ground,

1298
01:07:24,080 --> 01:07:29,440
Speaker 1: and the latter part of that is clearly an indication

1299
01:07:29,560 --> 01:07:32,160
Speaker 1: that he's saying, We're going to keep the territory that

1300
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:36,040
Speaker 1: we have conquered, but we will, you know, reach an agreement,

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Speaker 1: an enforceable agreement that will that would end this war.

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Speaker 1: The question for Ukraine would have to be is this

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Speaker 1: the best deal that they can get?

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Speaker 4: Uh?

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Speaker 3: And can they get a better deal if the.

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Speaker 1: United let's let's say the United States aside that we

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Speaker 1: are going to actually send hundreds of billions of dollars

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Speaker 1: more for this war.

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Speaker 3: Effort.

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Speaker 1: Is there a world in which, with hundreds of billions

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Speaker 1: of dollars, hundreds of thousands more Ukrainian lives, and several

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Speaker 1: years of time, Ukraine can conquer back territory that Russia

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Speaker 1: has seized and then go to the negotiating table having

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Speaker 1: having reconquered this territory. Because if that is a possibility,

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Speaker 1: you're going to have people within the Ukrainian government, You're

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Speaker 1: going to say that, and the Ukrainian popularity is say

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Speaker 1: we need to do this, you know, not one inch

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Speaker 1: to the Russian invaders.

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Speaker 3: But that's where we get to this new.

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Speaker 1: Report in a French investigative magazine called Marianne, which is

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Speaker 1: not getting picked up here in the United States at all,

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Speaker 1: but they obtained a cash of intelligence documents basically that

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Speaker 1: include the French assessment of the Ukrainian capabilities. We can

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Speaker 1: put up this this article right here. People can go

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Speaker 1: check it out. You could just click the English you

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Speaker 1: just go ahead and click the English translate button and

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Speaker 1: you can get the gist of it. But essentially, what

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Speaker 1: they're saying is some of what we already know, and

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Speaker 1: but they put it in starker terms that that we

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Speaker 1: that that's some that some here in the US may

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Speaker 1: realize are appropriate. First of all, it talks about the

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Speaker 1: absolute depletion of manpower on on the Ukrainian side. That

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Speaker 1: you know, Zelenski needs thirty thousand conscripts a month, he's

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Speaker 1: getting he's he's getting less than half of that, Whereas

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Speaker 1: Russia is able to pull in thirty thirty thousand volunteers

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Speaker 1: every month. Russia is able to cycle in and out

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Speaker 1: it's its reserves and its fresh recruits, with its with

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Speaker 1: its veterans, whereas Ukraine is relying oftentimes on entire units

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Speaker 1: that have three weeks of training. They say that in

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty three counter offensive that that was debilitating

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Speaker 1: for the for the Ukrainian troops that they were that

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Speaker 1: they were up against much better trained and equipped troops.

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Speaker 3: And also defense is easier than offense.

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Speaker 1: That and it also says that the Russians have gotten

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Speaker 1: in sanely good at communications jamming. The Ukrainian reliance on

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Speaker 1: drones then relies on communications, and if you can jam

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Speaker 1: the communications between the drone operator and the drone, your

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Speaker 1: drone is now just a flying rock.

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Speaker 3: At that point.

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Speaker 4: One of the big questions I think going forward to

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Speaker 4: for people who want to continue the sort of neo

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Speaker 4: conservative argument that this incentivizes Putin to just take back

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Speaker 4: all of the former Soviet territory. If you concede one

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Speaker 4: into the Dambas to Putin, he's next going to immediately

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Speaker 4: invade what Finland, and then he's going to take Sweden,

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Speaker 4: and he is going to reconquer Europe. One of the

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Speaker 4: big questions I think for that is, if I'm Putin

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Speaker 4: right now, is willing to sit down on the table

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Speaker 4: and discuss these terms and ends up, let's just say, hypothetically,

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Speaker 4: ends up getting some territory in the Dombas, and that

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Speaker 4: comes after two years of grueling, bloody war where he

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Speaker 4: loses hundreds of thousands of Russian men and reclaims some

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Speaker 4: small amount of territory in the Dombas that was already

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Speaker 4: in many cases contested, that was already a war zone

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Speaker 4: in many cases, and he doesn't get to Kiev. That

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Speaker 4: initial sort of that initial expedition that the Russian military

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Speaker 4: took was stopped by Western forces, was stopped by it

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Speaker 4: was halted by Ukraine, and then they get into this

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Speaker 4: long stalemate for more than two years. Is that really

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Speaker 4: granting Putin a permission slip to conquer the rest of Europe?

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Speaker 4: Is that really your argument as to why we can't

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Speaker 4: sit down and negotiate right now, because any negotiation would

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Speaker 4: just give Putin license to take all of Ukraine and

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Speaker 4: then take Poland and then take Fitland. That's really your

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Speaker 4: argument at this point, that's really the only good, the

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Speaker 4: only possible logic that you can cling to as a

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Speaker 4: reason not to negotiate. But it's stupid.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And let's say you're a diehard supporter of Ukraine

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Speaker 1: and you believe that the invasion was fundamentally evil and

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Speaker 1: needs to be rolled back.

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Speaker 3: The question though, which it was?

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Speaker 1: It was fundamentally evil, And let's say, but the question

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Speaker 1: then becomes what is the risk and what is the

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Speaker 1: cost of not entering into negotiations at this point? And

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Speaker 1: the risk is losing further territory, and so yeah, the

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Speaker 1: the Marianne Report has an entire section underneath the risk

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Speaker 1: of a Russian breakthrough is real and they talk about how,

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Speaker 1: you know, in mid February, Ukraine abandoned the city of Avdivka.

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Speaker 1: We covered that here. That was a huge it was

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Speaker 1: a huge collapse. But what they they but they zero

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Speaker 1: in on kind of the how of that happened. One

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Speaker 1: was that the kind of Russian advance had found innovative

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Speaker 1: ways to target the Ukrainian positions and was able to

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Speaker 1: break through despite them sending an elite brigade, the third

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Speaker 1: as of aerosol brigade to kind of buttress that their

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Speaker 1: their line, and the line collapsed. The line collapsed anyway,

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Speaker 1: they write, the decision to retreat by the Ukrainian armed

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Speaker 1: forces was a surprise its suddenness and lack of preparation,

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Speaker 1: fearing that this choice was more endured than decided by

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Speaker 1: the Ukrainian command, which was suggesting a possible onset of

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Speaker 1: quote disarray. In other words, it wasn't It's not obvious

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Speaker 1: that the Ukrainian military command ordered a retreat so much

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Speaker 1: as that the troops just said we're out of here,

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Speaker 1: and the Ukrainian command was then forced to accept that retreat.

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Speaker 3: That goes on the Ukrainian and this is key.

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Speaker 1: The Ukrainian armed forces have tactically shown that they do

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Speaker 1: not possess the human and material capabilities to hold a

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Speaker 1: sector of the front that is subjected to the assailant's effort.

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Speaker 1: The Ukrainian failure in Avdivka shows that despite the emergency

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Speaker 1: deployment of an elite brigade, KIV is not capable of

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Speaker 1: locally restoring a sector of the front that collapses. So

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Speaker 1: what does that mean, Like, if the Ukrainians are not

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Speaker 1: capable of holding a sector of a front that is

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Speaker 1: specifically targeted by the Russians, that means a breakthrough is

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Speaker 1: is either imminent or possible, and that gives the Putin's

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Speaker 1: serious leverage and negotiations because if you have shown that

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Speaker 1: you cannot, even with your elite brigade, maintain your line,

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Speaker 1: you're you're at risk of complete collapse.

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Speaker 4: He so Putin also in an interview with State media,

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Speaker 4: since I mean, I guess it's ahead of the election,

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Speaker 4: is how it's being framed, Like I'm on Artie right now, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: After he jailed and killed navalney.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he has a subheading or Artie has a subheading

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Speaker 4: here that says Russia ready for nuclear war. The quote

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Speaker 4: from Putin is for us, the Ukraine conflict is a

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Speaker 4: matter of life and death. For them, it's a matter

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Speaker 4: of improving their tactical position globally and in Europe. He

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Speaker 4: said that put An insisted that Russia is if the

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Speaker 4: US tries to quote play chicken, Moscow is prepared to

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Speaker 4: use nuclear weapons and considers its arsenal quote more advanced

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Speaker 4: than anyone else's. He also, I mean, he had some

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Speaker 4: other comments about the war. Putin said, for example, that

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Speaker 4: when Macrone said the West should have quote no red

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Speaker 4: lines when it comes to Russia, Putin replied, that is

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Speaker 4: Western politicians fantasizing and riling themselves up. So when he says,

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Speaker 4: and this is very clear, it should have been very

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Speaker 4: close since the beginning. For US, the Ukraine conflict is

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Speaker 4: a matter of life and death, and for them, for

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Speaker 4: the West, it's a matter of improving their tactical position

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Speaker 4: globally and in Europe. He has more men available to

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Speaker 4: him to fight this war than Ukraine does. The Wall

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Speaker 4: Street Journal report that Ukraine is essentially plucking war age

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Speaker 4: men off the street, not even not even actually war

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Speaker 4: age men, people that are considered older than you would

1445
01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:56,960
Speaker 4: consider war age men off the streets, military age men

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Speaker 4: off the streets because they can't locate men. They don't

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Speaker 4: have enough people to fight the way there was.

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Speaker 1: Did you see the viral video of like thirty four

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01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:07,120
Speaker 1: Ukrainians who were trying to sneak into Romania and they

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01:16:07,120 --> 01:16:09,320
Speaker 1: were caught at the border, and the Ukrainian border guards

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Speaker 1: are just like beating the hell out of them, and

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Speaker 1: they're going to take them and then they're going to

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Speaker 1: push them to the front, to the front lines where

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Speaker 1: they're going to have to fight and get killed. And

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Speaker 1: that's what it means to continue this war. Yeah, like

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01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:27,679
Speaker 1: you're you're at bayonet point, marching people to a front

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Speaker 1: that they are not willingly signing up to go.

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Speaker 3: And fight on.

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Speaker 4: Well. And one thing that so the neo conservative crowd

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Speaker 4: or the foreign policy establishment is argued over the course

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Speaker 4: of the last two years is that, you know, Boris

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Speaker 4: Johnson wasn't scuttling any real talks or the US. You

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Speaker 4: know too, what Israel had said wasn't scuttling any real

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Speaker 4: talks because Putin had not been serious about actually negotiating

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01:16:54,160 --> 01:16:57,160
Speaker 4: on serious terms. That when Putin was saying he was

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Speaker 4: ready to negotiate with the United States and with the

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Speaker 4: West and Zelensky, he wasn't actually serious about that. You know,

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Speaker 4: whether or not that's a good excuse not to sit

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Speaker 4: down with him as a different debate, but at this point, Ryan,

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Speaker 4: I think it's hard to dismiss Putin's overtures here as unserious.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and also I found this Marianne report from the

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Speaker 1: Twitter account of our nobertrand which I recommend everybody follow

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Speaker 1: if you're not he's on Twitter, he's at r n

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Speaker 1: A U d b E r t r A N

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Speaker 1: d uh Off. He's often finding and then translating, you know,

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Speaker 1: really interesting stuff from around around the world.

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Speaker 3: So I h highly recommend that one. Again. Let's just

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Speaker 3: read this Putin quote one more time.

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Speaker 1: Russia is ready for peace negotiations with Ukraine based on

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Speaker 1: the realities that have developed on the ground. Now, this

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01:17:52,600 --> 01:17:55,920
Speaker 1: has been a pretty dark show, so let's finish with

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Speaker 1: something light and fun. Yes, Andrew Tate back in prison.

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Speaker 4: Yes, light and fun, although I don't know that it

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Speaker 4: actually is let in front Ryan because the allegations against

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Speaker 4: Andrew taite.

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Speaker 3: Okay, yes, the allegations against him less. Look, it's not fun,

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Speaker 3: not like the fact that he's locked up fun.

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Speaker 4: Well, the way he ended up getting locked up again,

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Speaker 4: that is deeply fun. This story is I was going

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Speaker 4: to say unbelievable, was actually perfectly believable. How this transpired

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Speaker 4: just yesterday. We can put this first hair sheet up

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Speaker 4: on the screen. This is from USA Today. I was

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Speaker 4: just going to read the top part of the USA

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Speaker 4: Today report. Influencer Andrew Tatan's brother Tristan Tate were detained

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Speaker 4: in Romania on a British arrest warrant and could be

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Speaker 4: extradited later on. Multiple outlets reported the brothers were detained

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Speaker 4: Monday evening. So okay, this actually broke Monday evening for

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Speaker 4: up to twenty four hours. Well, the Booker's Court of

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Speaker 4: Appeal decided whether or not to execute the warrants. That's

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Speaker 4: according to the Tate spokesperson. Now, the court decided Tuesday

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Speaker 4: then to grant the extradition request, but only after Romanian

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Speaker 4: Romanian legal press are finished. According to the AP. The

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Speaker 4: court order also ordered them to be released immediately. The

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Speaker 4: two brothers, as many people remember, were indicted by Romanian

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Speaker 4: officials in June of twenty twenty three on charges of rape,

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Speaker 4: human trafficking and forming a criminal criminal gang to exploit women.

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Speaker 4: They were released from house arrest August twenty twenty three

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Speaker 4: while awaiting a trial. Now it's since been I don't

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Speaker 4: know if confirmed is that might be too strong of

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Speaker 4: a word, but the legal team for some of Andrew

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Speaker 4: Tates's accusers have said that a live stream by one

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Speaker 4: of Andrew Tate's influencer friends directly triggered NBC News even

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Speaker 4: confirmed this with the legal team directly triggered his arrest.

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Speaker 4: And let's just roll this clip F three.

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01:19:51,560 --> 01:19:53,240
Speaker 3: This is we'll jump to F three first.

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01:19:53,439 --> 01:19:56,800
Speaker 4: Yes, so if you watch, well, actually even we can

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01:19:56,880 --> 01:19:59,680
Speaker 4: just put F two up.

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01:20:00,040 --> 01:20:04,960
Speaker 3: Control room's choice. Yeah, deals true, there's choice, whichever one's.

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01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:05,720
Speaker 4: We'll just start here with F two and then we'll

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01:20:05,720 --> 01:20:06,360
Speaker 4: move to F three.

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01:20:06,880 --> 01:20:09,280
Speaker 5: Fortunately, I don't think many people in Romania understand, but

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01:20:09,479 --> 01:20:11,320
Speaker 5: in the West and the countries are owned by.

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01:20:11,200 --> 01:20:13,360
Speaker 3: The safeness in which are certain couple of things or

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01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:13,760
Speaker 3: put on a.

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01:20:13,800 --> 01:20:14,840
Speaker 4: Dresser and go to jail.

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Speaker 9: And I'm happy to make my choice, which is every

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01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:18,960
Speaker 9: single time my soul was not for sale, neither or

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01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:22,360
Speaker 9: my principles. We are a lot of men, We're very

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01:20:22,360 --> 01:20:24,800
Speaker 9: innocent men, and in time, everybody's going to see that,

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01:20:24,840 --> 01:20:27,280
Speaker 9: and we're very excited to finish the judicial.

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01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:28,800
Speaker 4: Process in there on. Ever, so that was Andrew Jaate

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01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:33,639
Speaker 4: and his brother Tristan Tate rebudding the allegations in similar

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01:20:33,680 --> 01:20:35,640
Speaker 4: terms as they have for the last year or so

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01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:41,439
Speaker 4: after this whole situation transpired. But F three that we

1535
01:20:41,439 --> 01:20:44,840
Speaker 4: we've previewed, we've kept you in suspense long enough. F

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01:20:44,920 --> 01:20:50,040
Speaker 4: three is what led to, according to actually the legal

1537
01:20:50,040 --> 01:20:53,000
Speaker 4: teams of his accusers, what led to Andrew Tate's arrest.

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01:20:53,240 --> 01:20:53,840
Speaker 4: Let's roll this.

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01:20:55,160 --> 01:20:57,680
Speaker 10: Andrew had hit me up. He said, Hey, I'm going

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01:20:57,760 --> 01:21:00,840
Speaker 10: to be uh leaving Romania soon and probably never coming back.

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01:21:01,040 --> 01:21:02,800
Speaker 10: If you want to come over and do a week

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01:21:02,840 --> 01:21:04,680
Speaker 10: of long streams and content before I leave, I think

1543
01:21:04,720 --> 01:21:06,880
Speaker 10: it'll be big. And it's never it's I'm sorry, he said,

1544
01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:11,479
Speaker 10: it's not. It's basically now or never, So you know,

1545
01:21:11,960 --> 01:21:14,120
Speaker 10: you know, and this is just I told you guys

1546
01:21:14,120 --> 01:21:16,200
Speaker 10: this year. You know it's a week of content, right

1547
01:21:17,720 --> 01:21:19,960
Speaker 10: and again guys, it might be the last time we

1548
01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:21,800
Speaker 10: ever do this, so it's kind of like we got

1549
01:21:21,800 --> 01:21:24,000
Speaker 10: to take advantage of it now because he bro it's

1550
01:21:24,080 --> 01:21:27,120
Speaker 10: it's it's just it's basically like, yeah, it's like that.

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01:21:28,160 --> 01:21:30,880
Speaker 4: So he was arrested on suspicion that he was about

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01:21:30,920 --> 01:21:35,640
Speaker 4: to flee Romania because again said he was about to

1553
01:21:35,640 --> 01:21:41,960
Speaker 4: flavor me. Uh that is do you think do you

1554
01:21:41,960 --> 01:21:43,160
Speaker 4: think it's in trouble?

1555
01:21:43,280 --> 01:21:45,880
Speaker 3: Yeah? Pro tip I guess, you know, be a little

1556
01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:48,080
Speaker 3: bit more discreet about your your getaway plan.

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01:21:48,479 --> 01:21:51,599
Speaker 4: I don't know. I mean that's so that was Aiden

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01:21:51,720 --> 01:21:57,639
Speaker 4: Ross obviously popular Andrew tain ally but yeah, yeah, formerly

1559
01:21:57,680 --> 01:22:02,880
Speaker 4: popular to be formally popular. But it does seem like

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01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:08,360
Speaker 4: incredibly almost unbelievably stupid to read that on air. But

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01:22:08,479 --> 01:22:11,519
Speaker 4: it's also just I feel like part of the part

1562
01:22:11,560 --> 01:22:16,519
Speaker 4: of the gig is not scripting things. So you're popular, right,

1563
01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:19,519
Speaker 4: you just you just aren't necessarily thinking things through like

1564
01:22:20,479 --> 01:22:25,679
Speaker 4: highly produced shows where you have your own mug break

1565
01:22:25,960 --> 01:22:28,840
Speaker 4: it's a mug but you know not that we actually

1566
01:22:28,840 --> 01:22:30,360
Speaker 4: don't have any scripts on this show. That's that's a

1567
01:22:30,360 --> 01:22:32,599
Speaker 4: little inside baseball. We don't we did.

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01:22:32,680 --> 01:22:34,960
Speaker 3: We think people can probably tell that we don't have scripts.

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01:22:35,040 --> 01:22:37,640
Speaker 4: I think it's probably not a secret to anybody that

1570
01:22:37,680 --> 01:22:39,719
Speaker 4: we don't have scripts. But all that is to say,

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01:22:39,840 --> 01:22:43,240
Speaker 4: that's sort of the draw for Ross is that nothing

1572
01:22:43,400 --> 01:22:45,760
Speaker 4: is scripted. But of course when you're not scripting, you're

1573
01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:48,719
Speaker 4: thinking things out, sometimes you do accidentally read out your friends.

1574
01:22:49,200 --> 01:22:50,719
Speaker 4: I will not do that to you, Ryan.

1575
01:22:50,680 --> 01:22:53,000
Speaker 3: I appreciate it if you for me. Remember if I'm

1576
01:22:53,040 --> 01:22:54,000
Speaker 3: ever fleeing Romania.

1577
01:22:54,720 --> 01:22:58,320
Speaker 1: The last time it seemed like Reda Thurnberg's beef with

1578
01:22:58,400 --> 01:23:02,679
Speaker 1: him online had seemed to had gotten him arrested. Turned

1579
01:23:02,680 --> 01:23:05,640
Speaker 1: out that maybe that wasn't totally true, although it was

1580
01:23:06,520 --> 01:23:11,160
Speaker 1: fun to believe. This one though, does actually seem to

1581
01:23:11,200 --> 01:23:13,559
Speaker 1: be the reason he got pinched.

1582
01:23:13,760 --> 01:23:16,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, the law firm that's representing for British women, that's

1583
01:23:16,640 --> 01:23:19,040
Speaker 4: a civil suit by the way, The law firm that's

1584
01:23:19,080 --> 01:23:22,080
Speaker 4: representing them is called the Q Law said that this

1585
01:23:22,160 --> 01:23:25,000
Speaker 4: is what they have information that this is they believe

1586
01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:28,080
Speaker 4: this is what triggered the arrest. But they also said

1587
01:23:28,280 --> 01:23:31,960
Speaker 4: though it's a separate these are new allegations. Apparently he's

1588
01:23:31,960 --> 01:23:38,200
Speaker 4: being arrested on charges or on new allegations, fleeing suspicion

1589
01:23:38,240 --> 01:23:41,920
Speaker 4: and potentially fleeing new allegations fleeing romania amid new allegations

1590
01:23:42,680 --> 01:23:45,719
Speaker 4: that could be criminal because again that's those four women.

1591
01:23:45,720 --> 01:23:48,200
Speaker 4: Are we you a civil suit against Andrew Tait? So

1592
01:23:48,560 --> 01:23:51,479
Speaker 4: more to come on this story for sure. Maybe stay

1593
01:23:51,479 --> 01:23:55,519
Speaker 4: tuned to the Influencer Universe, the Andrew Tate Influencer Universe

1594
01:23:55,560 --> 01:23:59,240
Speaker 4: for any breaking up dates about was whereabouts.

1595
01:23:58,880 --> 01:24:02,720
Speaker 1: Bronds you that's South Florida couple that they did the

1596
01:24:02,760 --> 01:24:06,080
Speaker 1: true crime series about where they're they were dentists and

1597
01:24:06,120 --> 01:24:09,160
Speaker 1: they did you follow this one? They killed the guy

1598
01:24:09,200 --> 01:24:13,240
Speaker 1: in Tallahassee who was their son in law over a

1599
01:24:13,240 --> 01:24:16,360
Speaker 1: custody dispute. And then on the phone, we're like talking

1600
01:24:16,400 --> 01:24:19,120
Speaker 1: about on like a prison flowing phone, We're like talking

1601
01:24:19,200 --> 01:24:22,320
Speaker 1: about fleeing to Vietnam where there's no extradition, and then

1602
01:24:22,800 --> 01:24:25,719
Speaker 1: the grandma got arrested, like in line at the airport

1603
01:24:25,760 --> 01:24:29,160
Speaker 1: on our way to Vietnam. Don't don't talk to your

1604
01:24:29,160 --> 01:24:34,400
Speaker 1: streamer friends or on a prison phone about your plans

1605
01:24:34,439 --> 01:24:35,120
Speaker 1: to flee.

1606
01:24:35,320 --> 01:24:38,880
Speaker 4: The prison phone seems even somehow dumber than the influencer.

1607
01:24:39,200 --> 01:24:41,240
Speaker 4: You just assume your influencer friend's not going to read

1608
01:24:41,240 --> 01:24:42,960
Speaker 4: your text on air. But that's also not a great dist.

1609
01:24:42,920 --> 01:24:44,519
Speaker 3: And you're on the prison phone, it's like this call

1610
01:24:44,640 --> 01:24:47,080
Speaker 3: is being monitored. Yes, so cool.

1611
01:24:47,120 --> 01:24:49,080
Speaker 1: Anyway, So I'm going to Vietnam because I don't think

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01:24:49,080 --> 01:24:51,320
Speaker 1: they have extradition with the United States according to my

1613
01:24:51,360 --> 01:24:54,679
Speaker 1: Google search, and then also used tour for your Google

1614
01:24:54,680 --> 01:24:58,320
Speaker 1: search when you're searching does the United States have an

1615
01:24:58,360 --> 01:24:59,800
Speaker 1: extradition treaty with X?

1616
01:25:00,720 --> 01:25:02,559
Speaker 3: Because that might get in trouble too.

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01:25:02,880 --> 01:25:05,760
Speaker 4: Yes, that's just generally These are pro tips from Ryan

1618
01:25:05,800 --> 01:25:08,600
Speaker 4: Grim who apparently has never fled.

1619
01:25:08,680 --> 01:25:11,720
Speaker 3: Never fled the law, well not yet anyway.

1620
01:25:11,640 --> 01:25:15,600
Speaker 4: We don't need to get into that, all right. That

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01:25:15,640 --> 01:25:18,080
Speaker 4: does it for us on today's edition of Counterpoints Rain.

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1627
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