1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,320 Speaker 1: And welcome to Wednesday's and a Big Blue Kickoff live 2 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:04,360 Speaker 1: here on Giants dot com. Here is Paula Tino on 3 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:05,760 Speaker 1: Lance Metal. Good to be with you for the next 4 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:08,959 Speaker 1: sixty minutes. Reminder, Big Blue Kickoff Live presented by Corps Light. 5 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: Download the Coors Live Rewards app to win Amazing Giants prizes. 6 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: Two zero one five one three. That is the telephone number. 7 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: You can also interact with us on Twitter hashtag Giants Chat. 8 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:20,279 Speaker 1: Will try to get to your tweets and as many 9 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 1: phone calls as possible over the next sixty minutes. We're 10 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: gonna look at the NFC East from a big picture 11 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 1: perspective on today's show because we are about to start 12 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 1: free agency, We're nearing the beginning of the new league year, 13 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 1: and it's not just what the Giants are looking at, 14 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: it's also what the three divisional foes are looking at 15 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: and what the makeup of the division is going to 16 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 1: be like entering two thousand nineteen. So we'll tackle that. 17 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 1: We'll get to your phone calls, we'll get to your tweets. 18 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 1: As of right now, nobody has been handed the franchise 19 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: tag or the transition tag. Paul and I delved into 20 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 1: a lot of that yesterday and talked about perhaps the 21 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: Giants utilizing that on Landon Collins. If you have a 22 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: player that you think the Giants u utilize it on it, 23 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: we want to hear from you. But we are now 24 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: a day into the period in which you can hand 25 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: out tags, Paul, and they have until March five. Now, 26 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:09,039 Speaker 1: I will say this based on speculation, and I know 27 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:12,680 Speaker 1: ESPNS Adam Schefter tweeted out they're projecting that this could 28 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 1: be a really big class that has handed the tag 29 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 1: each of the last two years, Paul, five players have 30 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: been tagged, and man incorporates the franchise tag of the 31 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:24,039 Speaker 1: transition tag. They're talking there could be double that when 32 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 1: it's all said and done by the time March fifth 33 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 1: throws around here. Well, I understand because there are so 34 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: many good players who are coming up in this particular year. 35 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: So it makes a lot of sense why these teams 36 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 1: would try to do that. Uh. I don't know how 37 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 1: much the business of the league has to do with 38 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 1: this either. Remember the CBA's coming do in two years. 39 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 1: And I don't know how much the players or the 40 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 1: teams or the agents or whoever. When they're trying to 41 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 1: figure out where the business of the league is going 42 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: to go if if that has a contributing factor involved here, 43 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: because you know, does a player or does a team say, well, 44 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 1: I'm not interested in doing a four or five year 45 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:08,399 Speaker 1: deal with a player because I don't know in two 46 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: years if the CBA is going to be altered and 47 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 1: how that might affect an impact the large contracts that 48 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: we have on the roster. So does that maybe kind 49 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:23,360 Speaker 1: of factor in here where more teams are looking to 50 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: do the tags in the one year because they want 51 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:31,399 Speaker 1: a little more flexibility going into the uncertainty of what 52 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: would be the the you know, non CB a year 53 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: or the negotiated year or whatever. I remember the last 54 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: time that they went through this, there was an uncapped 55 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: here for one year because the league didn't know how 56 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 1: to handle it. So they said, okay, let's just uncap 57 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:48,839 Speaker 1: it for a year and then we'll put everything into 58 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 1: next year because they felt business wise, it wasn't fair 59 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 1: not knowing how things were gonna shake down, to clamp 60 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:59,119 Speaker 1: teams and players into the new system right away. They said, 61 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:00,920 Speaker 1: we'll give you a year to figure it out, So 62 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 1: why don't we just go uncapped for one year? I 63 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 1: don't know. Could that happen again. No, I think that's 64 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 1: a valid point that perhaps that's why teams are maybe 65 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 1: shying away from locking up players long term. But I 66 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:13,079 Speaker 1: think it has more to do with especially the names 67 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:16,519 Speaker 1: that I'm hearing and the candidates for the tag. It's 68 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:20,359 Speaker 1: more about have we seen enough from player A or 69 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 1: player B. Was it a flash pall or is it 70 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 1: a sign of what's yet to come? And I think 71 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: some teams are nervous of signing a guy long term 72 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 1: just based on one really good season or in the 73 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:33,519 Speaker 1: case of like a Jadeveon Clowney for example of the 74 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: Houston Texans, the injury concern, the durability concern. I mean, 75 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: we even talked about that to a certain degree with 76 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: Lanton Collins and him having season ending surgery each of 77 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 1: the last two seasons. It's not that there's not potential, 78 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: you just the last thing you want to do is 79 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 1: lock up a player and then he winds up playing 80 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: half the season because that's not getting a lot of 81 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 1: bang for your buck. And I think that's something that 82 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: every team is weighing. So I think it's a combination 83 00:03:56,240 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 1: of your point, maybe the uncertainty of the upcoming CBA negotiations, 84 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 1: but more so durability and just not a lot of 85 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: substance or longevity on the resume to say, hey, at 86 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 1: this point we're content with locking up a player for 87 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 1: four to five years. That's certainly a possibility as well. 88 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 1: I think it's it's it's kind of unique in that, 89 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: as you said, the the estimate is it could be 90 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:21,679 Speaker 1: as many as double what the average has been, because 91 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: I think the average, if I'm not mistaken Lance, I 92 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:27,359 Speaker 1: read this somewhere. It might have been on on ESPN. 93 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 1: The average number of tag players since I think like 94 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 1: two thousand and ten is like six per year. So 95 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 1: it's not just last year when you cited that stat. Well, 96 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 1: each of the last two years have been five, So 97 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 1: six would make sense in terms of average. I mean, 98 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 1: I'll go back, not to interrupt your two thousand sixteen. 99 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: You could tell just by the list of the volume 100 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: a lot higher. So two thousand sixty one, two, three, 101 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 1: four or five, six, seven, eight, nine nine players three 102 00:04:56,600 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 1: years ago, and then in fifteen they went to x. 103 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:03,919 Speaker 1: So that's a sample size of the last four years. 104 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:06,480 Speaker 1: You would say six is a fair average. Okay, So 105 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 1: double digits are really unheard of, and we may wind 106 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 1: up with that this year. It's very possible. Look at 107 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 1: two thousand twelve, look at how many guys were ten 108 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 1: the two thousand twelve. I mean that's even more than ten. 109 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: So we've seen years where there's been double digits in 110 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 1: terms of the volume. This will be an interesting year 111 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: to watch. The other thing, to take the consideration, you 112 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 1: may have two kickers that are tagged this year because 113 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 1: the kicker tag is not overwhelming, and it's usually not 114 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:36,559 Speaker 1: overwhelming in general, so teams figure, hey, if we value 115 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 1: our kicker, let's just place the tag on them and 116 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:41,159 Speaker 1: for one year we'll have the kicker play under that. 117 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:44,479 Speaker 1: So that could also bring the number up. But speaking 118 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: of big picture, before we open up the phone lines 119 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:50,159 Speaker 1: to choose one four, five, one three, this is the 120 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: season also where you're wonder, okay, not only what direction 121 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: of the Giant's gonna go in, but what direction of 122 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: the Cowboys, the Redskins and the Eagle is gonna go into. 123 00:05:57,320 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: And if we just real quickly look at the three 124 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:03,720 Speaker 1: divisional foes here, Paul, I think a great conversation is 125 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: what are the biggest question marks looming over the divisional 126 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 1: foes because obviously we focus a lot on this program 127 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:11,919 Speaker 1: about the Giants, but the Giants are going to be 128 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: monitoring what the three other teams are going to be doing. 129 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: To me, I want to start with the Washington Redskins 130 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 1: because the Redskins are the most interesting team this offseason. 131 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 1: Why because unfortunately Alex Smith suffered a season ending injury, 132 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: a devastating injury, and right now they don't even know 133 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: if he's gonna be able to suit up again this 134 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:31,039 Speaker 1: season or perhaps the remainder of his career. So to me, 135 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:34,839 Speaker 1: the Redskins quarterback situation is a huge question mark entering 136 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:37,919 Speaker 1: this offseason, and do they address it in free agency? 137 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: Do they go after one of the remaining veteran quarterbacks? 138 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 1: And remember, money is a concern because they've got a 139 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 1: lot of money locked up with Alex Smith and that 140 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 1: doesn't just come off the books. Or are they one 141 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: of the surprise teams that is going to make a 142 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 1: move they're picking fifteen to try to grab a Haskins, 143 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: to try to grab a Kyle Murray. I would not 144 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: be surprised if we here as we get closer to 145 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 1: the Drey have that Washington is aggressively pursuing a young 146 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: quarterback given they have a huge need right now, Well, 147 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:08,480 Speaker 1: they're also going to need defense. They are, you know, 148 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: and it is a strong defensive draft. I'm looking at 149 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: their free agent list, haha. Clinton Dix is an unrest 150 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 1: they just acquired at the trade deadline. Smith is an 151 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 1: undrafted undrafted unrestricted free agent. Uh and and those two 152 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: guys are pretty important to them. Now again, we talked 153 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 1: about tags a moment ago. Would they consider tagging one 154 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: of those guys? I don't know. Well, it looks like 155 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: they're going part ways with Clinton Dicks. I think that 156 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: was more a rental for the second half of the season, 157 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 1: because remember when the Redskins made that deal, they were 158 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 1: still right in the hunt to win the NFC East. 159 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 1: They got off to such a strong start and then 160 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: the injury bug just absolutely killed them. So I think 161 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 1: that's how they viewed that maneuver. But I agree with 162 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: you oncent Paul. Safety overall is a huge need for 163 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: the Redskins because one of the reasons why they grabbed 164 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 1: ha Ha Ha Colinted Dix is because it's been a revolving 165 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 1: door at that position, not just season over the last 166 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: few years. So I would second area has been weak 167 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 1: for a lot a long time. Well, corner has been 168 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 1: a problem because of injuries, but they've been at I 169 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: would argue, in much better shape at least from a 170 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: respectable standpoint at corner, much more so than safety. I mean, 171 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: safety has been a major issue. So where they go 172 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: with that position I think is just as much of 173 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: a question mark with respect to the quarterback spot as 174 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: far as the Cowboys are concerned. As you look at 175 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 1: Dallas's needs, Dallas has still a very young defense, so 176 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: they don't have huge priorities in free agency because a 177 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: number of guys are still on rookie contracts and it 178 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: looks like Shawn Lee is going to come back, and 179 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:42,679 Speaker 1: given his injury history, I don't know if there's necessarily 180 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 1: going to be a huge concern there. But you look 181 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 1: at on the offensive side of the ball, they just 182 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 1: parted ways with Terrence Williams. They're not going to pick 183 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: up his option. They acquired a Marii Cooper at Cole 184 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: Beasley is a free agent. I would say on the surface, 185 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:00,680 Speaker 1: Paul wide receiver is a position to watch for the 186 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 1: Cowboys this off season. Interesting in that Tavon Austin, who 187 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 1: I have always believed as an underachiever. Quite frankly wound 188 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 1: up making some pretty important plays for the Cowboys this 189 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 1: past season. May have made more significant plays this year 190 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 1: than any other time during his career, because it just 191 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 1: seemed to me he disappeared too much earlier in his 192 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: tenure in the NFL. Uh. If Dallas really liked some 193 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 1: of the big plays that he made, maybe they consider 194 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 1: bringing him back. He's a u f A right now now. 195 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 1: Of course, that also depends on what the number is 196 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:35,959 Speaker 1: going to be. Uh And I'm sure that he thinks 197 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 1: his numbers should be higher than they do. But that 198 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: would be another receiver who you might have to wipe 199 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 1: off the depth chart in addition to Williams and Beasley. Well, Austin, 200 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 1: you're right, he made some big plays here or there. 201 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 1: I would still argue they didn't utilize him as much 202 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 1: as they possibly could. Now, you wonder if they do 203 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 1: move on from Beasley, because Beasley gets some respectable offers, 204 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: do they look at Tavon Austin has a potential replacement 205 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 1: for Cold the easily out of the slot, which is 206 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 1: how he was utilized a bit with the Rams. That's 207 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 1: something that's interesting to monitor, because, like I said, he 208 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 1: wasn't very much involved in the game line. I think 209 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 1: you're thinking of that first Giants game in Dallas where Austin, 210 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: in the blink of an eye I was able to 211 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 1: run up the left sideline. You had to go, well, 212 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 1: you brought him up. We might as well provide some 213 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 1: context on this program. Yes, yes, that is one of 214 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 1: the big plays that I recall him making this past season, because, 215 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 1: quite frankly, I got I got kind of tired of 216 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 1: when he came out of school. He was supposed to 217 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: be one of these jack of old trades who was 218 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 1: going to just wreck havoc across the NFL because of 219 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 1: his ability to do so many different things. He'll play slot, 220 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 1: he'll play boundary, He'll even run end arounds, he'll return kicks. 221 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 1: He's gonna be basically there's do everything guy who's just 222 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 1: gonna specialize in big, big plays, and I never thought 223 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 1: of materialized. And then maybe because he was in the 224 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 1: Giants Division last year with Dallas and I saw more 225 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: of Dallas than I had seen Austin and other stops 226 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 1: of his career, maybe that's why he became a little 227 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: bit more dangerous to me than I have remember him, 228 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 1: but I just thought last year he made some plays. Well, 229 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 1: a player like that, it's important to have the right 230 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 1: coaching in place, Paul, because it's a matter of you 231 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 1: need to know how you're gonna utilize somebody like that. 232 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 1: And I'm bringing up Tavon Austin's numbers and two thousand 233 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:32,439 Speaker 1: sixteen was his highest usage. He was targeted a hundred 234 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: seven times that season. Now, Sean McVeigh took over in seventeen, 235 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 1: so that was Jeff Fisher's last season with the Rams. 236 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 1: But after that, in two thousand seventeen, which was his 237 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 1: final season, then all of a sudden, He's only targeted 238 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 1: twenty two times. Now, you could argue the Rams brought 239 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 1: in some new personnel. I get that, and he was 240 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 1: only targeted thirteen times. However, to your point, out of 241 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: those thirteen times, he made eight catches this season, so 242 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: he made the most of his limited opportunities. He's also 243 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 1: been viewed as a special teams player, much more so 244 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 1: at least during his Dallas tenure, as opposed to a 245 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 1: wide receiver. But that's a name to watch for any team. 246 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 1: If you have a specific plan, we're bringing you in. 247 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:11,839 Speaker 1: And this is how we're going to utilize him. But 248 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: if you're just gonna bring him in for the sake 249 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: of bringing him in and you have no game plan, 250 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: I don't think you're gonna get the true potential out 251 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 1: of Tavon Austin. But I think wide receiver is certainly 252 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: a spot now. The last team, the Philadelphia Eagles, who 253 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:26,839 Speaker 1: also made the playoffs, like the Dallas Cowboys, pass rush 254 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:30,839 Speaker 1: defensive line is an area of great depth for Philadelphia. 255 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 1: The issue for them this past season has been the secondary, 256 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: and it's been like that over the last few seasons. 257 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 1: Part of it is injury, so you would think maybe 258 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 1: they'll look to solidify that spot by bringing him, maybe 259 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 1: a veteran to compliment the young guys. And then you 260 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: also wonder what their game plan is it running back 261 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 1: and the reason why I bring up the running back position, Paul, 262 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 1: it's been a revolving door, especially this season because ja 263 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: Ja I remember, went down early in the year with 264 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:00,080 Speaker 1: the torn a c L. They had a young a 265 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: few young guys they utilized Darren Sprawls in and out 266 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 1: of the lineup, came back late. I wonder do they 267 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 1: look in the draft for another guy or they content 268 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 1: with some of their young options. Jagi, is he going 269 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 1: to be back in the picture? That to me is 270 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 1: a phosician to watch for Philadelphia. Yeah, I would totally 271 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 1: agree with that. And and quite honestly, if you look 272 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 1: at the laundry list of unrestricted free agents, the Eagles 273 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: have themselves a lot of work to do. I mean, 274 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:29,560 Speaker 1: I get it. Okay, they had a terrific season. They 275 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:31,680 Speaker 1: went back, you know, and did what they did what 276 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:35,959 Speaker 1: they did, go into the playoffs, etcetera, etcetera. But they've 277 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 1: got a lot of work to do. They've got guys 278 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 1: just I mean, and they're all over the place, you know, 279 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 1: whether it's it's safety, whether it's defensive line, whether it's 280 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 1: wide receiver, whether it's running back, they're all over the place. 281 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 1: Everybody talks about Nick Foles. Now, yeah, they're bringing back. 282 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 1: They're bringing back I think they're bringing back McLeod right, 283 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:55,199 Speaker 1: or they're not bringing back Rodney McLoud. That's what they 284 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 1: wanted to bring him back. Is to be determined. I 285 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 1: think there's a desire, but remember the injury history is 286 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:02,680 Speaker 1: something you gotta wait as well. But Brandon Graham Golden Tape, 287 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 1: Um Holody Nada I mean, these guys, you know, these 288 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 1: are legit. These are legit players. Okay, uh Bargos is 289 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: a terrific Special Teams player. He has made such a 290 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: difference for them in the third version of the game, 291 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: the third section of the game Special Teams, but a 292 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: huge player for them. Corey Graham, Sprowls Darby, there's a 293 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 1: there's a lot of guys on this list, and if 294 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 1: you look at the kind of money that they made 295 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 1: in the past, they're not necessarily five and dime players. 296 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: These guys made a little bit of coin, so you 297 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 1: know that they're not gonna be anxious to take less. 298 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: So where do the Eagals go? They got a lot 299 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 1: of work to do. No, I think you bring up 300 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 1: a good point. And if I'm correct, if I'm seeing 301 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 1: that correctly, I think Jordan Hicks is on that list. 302 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: To Paul right, he's Jordan Hicks is on very valuable 303 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 1: linebacker in the middle for the US. That's another player 304 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 1: that if you're Philadelphia, I mean, just going over the names, 305 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: Brandon Graham, Jordan Hicks, Gold take to me or three 306 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 1: guys that if you're the Eagles, you definitely want to 307 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 1: bring them back, especially since Mike Wallace and Jordan Matthews 308 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 1: are both free agents at the wide receiver spot. So 309 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 1: you acquired Golden Tap at the trade deadline. I'm assuming 310 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 1: they want to have him come back with al Sean 311 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: Jeffrey and they continue to utilize Zach Ertz and Dallas 312 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: got Or at their two tight ends and then maybe 313 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 1: go young at the running back position. They don't necessarily 314 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: have to resign J J. I. E. If they don't 315 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: feel they need to invest in that position, because let's 316 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 1: face it, if there's any position where I think the 317 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 1: track record has been excellent in the draft, it's the 318 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 1: running back position, Paul. That's why when when anybody constantly says, 319 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 1: you know, take a running back in the first round, 320 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: and this and that, or we're gonna see what's gonna 321 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 1: happen with Levian Bell and if the Steelers given the 322 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 1: transition tag right now, if you're a team, why are 323 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 1: you giving up all these assets were running back if 324 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: you can get somebody perhaps in round two or round three. 325 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 1: You know, Kareem Hunt. I understand the off the field issues, 326 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 1: but Kareem Hunt was a real great fine for Kansas City, 327 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 1: and he was a mid to late round pick. So 328 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 1: teams have had really good success finding running backs. It 329 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 1: makes you wonder what really becomes of the free agent 330 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 1: running back market overall. And that's why I think a 331 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 1: lot of these players are having a hard time cashing 332 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: in on big deals because teams say, hey, I'd rather 333 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 1: go young at that position. Well, here's what I wonder, Lands, 334 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 1: And when we get to the Combine, John Schmolke and 335 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 1: I will be doing this show B b k L 336 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 1: from the Combine next Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday live from Indianapolis, 337 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 1: So please check out those shows. We will have the 338 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 1: most complete coverage you could ever want to know coming 339 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: from the Combine in terms of the Giants perspective. But 340 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 1: here's my question, Lands, and we're gonna ask those guys 341 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 1: when we're there. Uh. The plethora of young, successful running 342 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 1: backs in this league brings to mind the question of 343 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 1: how big a risk is it to take a running 344 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 1: back when it seems as though they're almost sure thing hits. 345 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 1: If you take a guy in the first or second 346 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: round as a running back, even third round, it's almost 347 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:04,440 Speaker 1: like those guys aren't missing. Quarterbacks are a big risk. 348 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 1: We've got a bunch of those who miss. Why receivers. 349 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 1: We see some of those guys who were drafted high 350 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:15,400 Speaker 1: who miss um running backs. For some reason, the percentage 351 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:20,160 Speaker 1: of hits lately seems to be really good. It does, 352 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:24,120 Speaker 1: and I'm not sure why. Well, I think maybe it's 353 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 1: because of more and more colleges utilizing running backs like 354 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: NFL teams expect them to do, such as pass protection receiving, 355 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 1: So maybe the train scheme is not as difficult. I 356 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 1: think that has utilization. Yeah, I think maybe the physique, 357 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: the makeup of some of these running backs. You know, 358 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 1: you look at them and you could say, hey, that's 359 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 1: an NFL ready body. It's not as if all we 360 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 1: need two to three years before we get that player 361 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 1: up to the level that we expect them to be. 362 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 1: So I think there's a variety of factors. Now with 363 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 1: that being said, because I'm sure a lot of people think, oh, 364 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 1: wait a minute, we're having a conversation about running backs 365 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:59,400 Speaker 1: here and the Giants just took say Kwan Barkley. There 366 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:01,679 Speaker 1: are except is to the rule, Levian Bell and st 367 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:04,639 Speaker 1: Kwon Barkley are exceptions because they have skill sets that 368 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:07,159 Speaker 1: not every running back is going to bring to the table. 369 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 1: So it's not that you should never think about taking 370 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 1: a running back high in the draft. That's not my point. 371 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: It's just that if you're looking to round out your 372 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:17,199 Speaker 1: depth chart, Paul, and you're looking for a contributor to 373 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:19,439 Speaker 1: come in, if you don't feel like you want to 374 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:22,639 Speaker 1: utilize the resources in your cap in free agency money, 375 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 1: then why not take your chances on somebody in the 376 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,639 Speaker 1: second or third round. That's my point. Well, yeah, but 377 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:31,399 Speaker 1: I think the success ratio of drafted running backs the 378 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:34,959 Speaker 1: last couple of years fortifies your point. Go ahead, go 379 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 1: get one in the draft, because chances are you'll get 380 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 1: what you need. But the only thing I will say 381 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:44,959 Speaker 1: is I don't think they all are like Levan Bell 382 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 1: and Kwan, not every well, but I'm saying in this 383 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:50,399 Speaker 1: day and age, I want a running back that is 384 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 1: a threat as a receiver. I think that adds a 385 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 1: whole other layer and dynamic to your offense. You should 386 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 1: not shy away from going after a player like that. Well, 387 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 1: I mean, that's the way the games and played. But 388 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 1: what I'm saying is all running backs that are drafted, 389 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 1: I wouldn't say that they're all elite wide receivers. The 390 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:11,159 Speaker 1: ones that even came in this year. I'm not saying 391 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 1: that every back who comes into the draft is an 392 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 1: all around guy. I'm simply saying that it seems to 393 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 1: me over the last few years, when teams have taken 394 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 1: running backs high, they have had a high success ratio. 395 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: They have hit whatever skills those guys brought to the table. 396 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:30,399 Speaker 1: The point is it did translate. You know, teams didn't 397 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 1: miss on taking high running backs. I don't know. I'd 398 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 1: have to go back and study it. I didn't do 399 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 1: an analysis on this or statistical survey you were talking about. 400 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:40,880 Speaker 1: And I'm saying to myself, it just seems to me 401 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:43,640 Speaker 1: a lot of these high running backs have hit well 402 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 1: on the surface, and I'm just looking at the last 403 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 1: few seasons. I referenced Kareem Hunt. Sony Michelle's another one 404 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 1: that I would bring up. Nick Chubb is another one 405 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 1: from this year's past draft. I mean, he had a 406 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 1: productive rookie year with the Cleveland Browns and that was 407 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:58,359 Speaker 1: one of the reasons why in the league from some 408 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:00,159 Speaker 1: of their other running backs guys who were you know 409 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 1: and under Yeah. Absolutely a reminder. Big Blue Kickoff Live 410 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 1: is presented by Corps lightdownload. The Coors Live rewards have 411 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:10,199 Speaker 1: to win Amazing Giants prizes. All right, So that's the 412 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 1: landscape of the NFC East. Let's hear from you at 413 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:16,920 Speaker 1: two three. You could also weigh in on Twitter hashtag 414 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 1: Giants Chat Christians in New York. He gets us going 415 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 1: on Wednesday's edition A Big Blue Kickoff Live. What's happening Christian? Hey, guys. 416 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 1: Last time I called, we were talking about the draft 417 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 1: a little bit, and I kind of touched on the 418 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 1: points that doesn't really have time to talk about. Um, 419 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:34,920 Speaker 1: I was saying that, you know, when the Giants do 420 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 1: decide it's time to draft that next quarterback of the future, 421 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 1: they're probably gonna have to leave a little bit of 422 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:47,439 Speaker 1: value on the table, um because you know, having the 423 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:52,479 Speaker 1: best player always line up where where you're picking from. Uh, 424 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 1: you know, it's just it's gonna be hard to just, 425 00:20:55,359 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 1: you know, only do that when a quarterback finally gets there, uh, 426 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:02,120 Speaker 1: because you know, it really just might not happen soon 427 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 1: at all. If that's the way you're you're going with it, 428 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:08,679 Speaker 1: and I know you can trade up, but um, I 429 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:12,439 Speaker 1: feel like if they think one of these guys is 430 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 1: going to be a top fifteen quarterback for the next 431 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:19,680 Speaker 1: ten plus years. I think that's when it becomes worth 432 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:23,439 Speaker 1: doing it, even if there are more talented players on 433 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 1: the board. Yeah, if there's conviction and they feel that 434 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 1: that quarterback is a franchise guy. And Paul and I 435 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:32,400 Speaker 1: talked a lot about that yesterday, and I think we're 436 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 1: all in agreement. If everybody in the room says, hey, 437 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 1: Haskins the guy, Hey Murray's the guy, then yeah, that's 438 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:39,679 Speaker 1: all more of a reason why it makes sense to 439 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:42,440 Speaker 1: grab the quarterback in that spot with the sixth overall pick. 440 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 1: And I don't think that there's a say, klon Berkley 441 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 1: level player this year that would be competing with one 442 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 1: of those quarterbacks if they think that one of them is, um, 443 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:58,359 Speaker 1: you know the guy. Like we're talking, but do you 444 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:01,199 Speaker 1: think like I because I a top fifteen, do you 445 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 1: think top fifteen is the spot where you say, okay, 446 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 1: it's it's okay to draft him over better players. I 447 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:12,400 Speaker 1: don't know if there's ever a number in somebody's head. 448 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: I always go back to if you believe in the player, 449 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 1: then you take him. What difference does it make if 450 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 1: you feel top fifteen is equate to the value of 451 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:22,159 Speaker 1: the player. The bottom line is you have faith in 452 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 1: the players that you take it because you don't believe 453 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 1: that if you move down the player is going to 454 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 1: be available. So I think that's got to be the 455 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 1: rationale and why you make a move for anybody, specifically 456 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:34,639 Speaker 1: a quarterback. But this way, the higher you are on 457 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 1: the board and the Giants are at number six, the 458 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:40,879 Speaker 1: more certain you have to be that that guy is 459 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 1: going to be what you think he is. So you know, 460 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 1: if you're asking me about this year, no, I would 461 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:51,639 Speaker 1: be very surprised if they have such a strong conviction 462 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 1: in one of these qbs over somebody in the defensive 463 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 1: front seven. I would be very surprised. Uh. Now, if 464 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 1: you're asking me in another year, maybe maybe it's possible. Uh. 465 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 1: And and where does that does that bridge meet the road? 466 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe in one year it meets the 467 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 1: road at fifteen, Maybe another year it meets to the twelve. 468 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 1: Maybe another year it meets the twenty three. I think 469 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,440 Speaker 1: that's very fluid. I don't think you can just come 470 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:18,480 Speaker 1: up with a blanket statement and and indicate you know 471 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 1: where that thing tips. I don't. I just don't think 472 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,359 Speaker 1: it's possible. It was like when the Chiefs made the 473 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 1: trade to move up to grab Patrick Mahomes. They believed 474 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 1: that Patrick Mahomes. They didn't necessarily need a quarterback that year, 475 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 1: but they said, hey, Mahomes could be our future guy. 476 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,120 Speaker 1: We're gonna give up assets to move up and we're 477 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:37,680 Speaker 1: gonna take him, and I don't think in the back 478 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,920 Speaker 1: of their mind. Andy Reid in the Chiefs front office said, well, 479 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes is technically a top twenty five value, so 480 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 1: we're gonna lose value here of fifteen spots by moving 481 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:50,639 Speaker 1: up to ten. They believe in Mahomes, and that's what 482 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:52,679 Speaker 1: any franchise has to do. You like the guy, you 483 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 1: move up, you grab them, and you don't think twice. 484 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 1: You know what's funny about this whole thing. I mean, 485 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 1: it's it's amazing how quickly fans forget all the Maybe 486 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 1: it's just too many years for a lot of our 487 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 1: younger fans. You know, when the Giants got Carry Collins, 488 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,159 Speaker 1: he was a free agent and they pulled him up 489 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 1: off the scrap heap and they totally resuscitated his career 490 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 1: and he brought them to a Super Bowl. They didn't 491 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 1: have to draft Carry Collins, Okay, they went out and 492 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 1: signed him they did not have to draft Kurt Warner 493 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 1: to be the bridge to Eli Manning. They went out 494 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 1: and they signed Kurt Warner, and they well, we need 495 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 1: a bridge. We need a one year bridge. We're gonna 496 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 1: sign you to a two year deal with a player 497 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:32,679 Speaker 1: option that hasn't opt out, so that if we do 498 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,439 Speaker 1: get our franchise quarterback in the draft, you're gonna have 499 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 1: the chance to opt out. And that's what Kurt Warner did, 500 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 1: so that he wound up going to the Cardinals and 501 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:43,639 Speaker 1: Eli Manning stayed with the Giants. Neither time that the 502 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 1: Giants draft a quarterback. What is it about these people 503 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 1: out there who insist that they have to draft one. 504 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 1: It's it's ridiculous. Well, you could do both things simultaneously, 505 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 1: and Christie, we appreciate the phone. Coal will let you 506 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,200 Speaker 1: go on that note. You can't get the veteran Paul 507 00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:00,399 Speaker 1: to your point, and you can also draft a quarterback 508 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,720 Speaker 1: and have a veteran by you a little bit more 509 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 1: time while you developed a young guy. For example, they 510 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,120 Speaker 1: brought in Kurt Warner and they had Eli Manning. Now 511 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,920 Speaker 1: things were accelerated because Tom Coughlin decided to go in 512 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 1: the direction of Eli Manning that first year. But nobody's 513 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,359 Speaker 1: saying that you can't have the veteran as well as 514 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,680 Speaker 1: the rookie. I think you could do things. Absolutely you can't. 515 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:22,400 Speaker 1: But if you don't have total conviction, you don't draft one. 516 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 1: That's the point that there are so many people who 517 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 1: are pushing they've got a draft one, they've got a draft. 518 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,879 Speaker 1: When they've got a draft one, to force the issue 519 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 1: is foolish because it is not the only way to 520 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,919 Speaker 1: get one. I'm with you. I mean, that's what I've 521 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 1: been saying all the time. You don't take a quarterback 522 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 1: for the sake of taking a quarterback. You take the 523 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,120 Speaker 1: quarterback because you believe in the quarterback. You know, there's 524 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 1: a lot of people that they keep looking at Eli 525 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:46,879 Speaker 1: Manning's age, they keep looking the way that goes for 526 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,119 Speaker 1: any position, you better believe in the player if you're 527 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,879 Speaker 1: using a draft pack, Carter. I mean, I'm not saying 528 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:56,360 Speaker 1: anything that's earth shattering, but this is to some people, well, 529 00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 1: because this is how teams get into precarious situation when 530 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:04,119 Speaker 1: they start saying we have a need, we have a need. 531 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 1: Our fans are calling for us to fill the need. 532 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,479 Speaker 1: So let's go out and grab a quarterback. And then 533 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,360 Speaker 1: you go out and grab a quarterback and the quarterback 534 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 1: doesn't pan out, and maybe you get a year or 535 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 1: two of playing him, you realize he's not the guy, 536 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,360 Speaker 1: and then Paul, three to four years later, you're back 537 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,879 Speaker 1: to square one. So you're in the same exact situation. 538 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 1: Didn't the Jets get desperate when they drafted Mark Sanchez? 539 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,159 Speaker 1: They were desperate for one. They got one high in 540 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 1: the first round, and as it turned out, he was 541 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,919 Speaker 1: a bit of a quick fix. They had the system 542 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 1: around him to defense to have some limited success, he 543 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 1: was a game manager. And then after a few years, well, 544 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 1: guess what we realized Mark Sanchez really isn't the franchise guy. 545 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 1: And I think if they had the chance to do 546 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,200 Speaker 1: it all over again, they wouldn't have forced Mark Sanchez 547 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 1: in the first round. Well, and you could go to 548 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,119 Speaker 1: other examples. We brought in JaMarcus Russell. I mean, we're 549 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 1: talking about even higher picks. Ryan Leaf is another one. 550 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,920 Speaker 1: Those are the guys who are total buss what I'm saying. 551 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 1: What I'm saying is the Jets had a good team, 552 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,120 Speaker 1: They had a lot of stuff around him, and they 553 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 1: forced the issue and even though he gave them limited success. 554 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,919 Speaker 1: It was a mistake. Why I would have to go 555 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:16,639 Speaker 1: back and look, off the top of my head, I 556 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:18,920 Speaker 1: don't remember. I'd be curious to see what the free 557 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 1: agent options were pauled the year that Mark Sanchez was drafted. 558 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:24,640 Speaker 1: I mean, off the top of my head, I don't 559 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:28,120 Speaker 1: remember exactly every single year, but Sanchez, when you look 560 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 1: at you know the direction they went in. They were 561 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,119 Speaker 1: able to achieve success because the makeup of the team, 562 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,879 Speaker 1: I would argue, enabled the Jets to say, hey, we 563 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:37,919 Speaker 1: don't need a quarterback to come in and be the savior. 564 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 1: So he was the fifth overall pick in two thousand nine. 565 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 1: But that's the problem. When you pick a guy five 566 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:47,359 Speaker 1: overall and you draft Mark Sanchez in that spot, you're 567 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,880 Speaker 1: expecting he's going to be a franchise guy, and you're 568 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 1: expecting he's going to take you to the super Bowl. 569 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,639 Speaker 1: Now I know they got the two ways, not because 570 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 1: of Mark Sanchez, as you described the company, I'm not 571 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:02,879 Speaker 1: claiming that. And then shortly after what happened, Well, this 572 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:04,680 Speaker 1: is what I will say about Mark Sanchez. First of all, 573 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,159 Speaker 1: it wasn't just the defense. Remember Thomas Jones had a 574 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 1: really good portion of his career with the Jets when 575 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 1: he was running the football effectively. So the combination of 576 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,119 Speaker 1: a good defense, strong running game is gonna help any quarterback. 577 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,040 Speaker 1: I mean, we say the same thing with Eli Manning, 578 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 1: so I don't think Mark Sanchez is any different. What 579 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,680 Speaker 1: also didn't help Mark Sanches is the injury Buck too 580 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 1: and Rex Ryan putting him in a meaningless preseason game 581 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 1: against the Giants, which I don't think most people perhaps 582 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 1: remember that did not necessarily help his cause. But we're 583 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 1: not here to revisit Mark sanchez career. Yes, you wanted 584 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 1: to know free agent quarterbacks at nine and oh nine, 585 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 1: Court Warner, Matt Castle, Carrie Collins, A. J. Feeley, David Carr, 586 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 1: Bred Farve, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Byron Leftwich, those were rebailed necessarily. 587 00:28:55,840 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 1: Let's see who's who, Luke McCown, Jeff see It, Charlie Batch, 588 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 1: Kyle Bowler, Rex Grossman, Dani Rolovsky, Jp Lossman, Joey Harrington, 589 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 1: Brian Greasy, Chris Simms, Gust far Rott. I mean, honestly, 590 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 1: were any of these guys significantly worse then Rok Sanchez? No, 591 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 1: But I guess a bunch of these guys were probably 592 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 1: in the same ballpark. They could have done themselves a 593 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 1: huge favor and signed one of these guys instead of 594 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 1: using the number five overall pick. Well, part of the 595 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:32,480 Speaker 1: rationale though, and this is an issue that every team faces. 596 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 1: Do we like the potential of the young quarterback or 597 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 1: do we like the security of the veteran where we've 598 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 1: seen what he can do and we figured he could 599 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 1: translate his skill set. I mean, those are the two 600 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 1: things that you have to weigh under those circumstances. So 601 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 1: I think that's probably what everybody was looking at it. 602 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 1: And by the way, with respect to Kurt Warner in 603 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 1: two thousand and I just looked this up because I 604 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,479 Speaker 1: believed that was the year the Cardinals are coming off 605 00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 1: a Super Bowl appearance. Yes, so he res side with them. 606 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 1: It wasn't as if he was gonna be legitimately an 607 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 1: option to uh head elsewhere. But the point being, was 608 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 1: Mark Sanchez significantly better then those folks that I just 609 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 1: rattled off to you. Well, I mean, we've been better 610 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 1: off signing one of those guys who could manage a 611 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 1: game or maybe even do better than that, and use 612 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 1: the number five pick on something else. Well, but remember 613 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 1: We're also having this compensation knowing what's the giant show 614 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 1: we were talking about. We're talking about quarterbacks. It's all 615 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 1: relative relax here, we're all we're all tieing things up 616 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 1: here as we cut full start going big. Look at 617 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,480 Speaker 1: Golf Live. It's not a crime to delve into some 618 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 1: other players and other teams. Two zero one, five one 619 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 1: three is the telephone number. Antonio is in Manhattan. Antonio, 620 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 1: Welcome to the program. What do you got for us? Hey? 621 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 1: What's going on? Paul and Lance? As? I got doing today? Hello? Right? 622 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,360 Speaker 1: Are you? What's tell your mind? Antonio doing good? I 623 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 1: just want to talk about two days on Tobody offense 624 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 1: side a defensive side. But I just want to say 625 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 1: a really quick well Paul Mark Sanchez on We can't 626 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 1: just right now just talk about Mark's hand. We don't 627 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 1: know who the hell even was their wide receivers back then, 628 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 1: or if even Rex Ryan was a good offensive coach 629 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 1: to develop a quarterback. There's a lot more that goes 630 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 1: into a quarterback than just the quarterback itself. It's as 631 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 1: system that he was brought in. You don't know he 632 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 1: was brought into a bad system. Correct, Oh, there's there's 633 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 1: a lot that goes into it. But Mark Sanchez has 634 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 1: had ample opportunity over numerous NFL seasons to prove that 635 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 1: he was worth the number five overall pick, and I 636 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 1: don't know that anybody would think that he is. But 637 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 1: you said also that David Carr was never the same 638 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 1: because of his first year in the Texas. He was 639 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 1: ruined by the seventy plus sacks and he was so 640 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 1: battered and a gun shy and basically, you know, I 641 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 1: just had himself just obliterated back there, and he knows 642 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 1: that it affected him to no end. So what I'm 643 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 1: trying to say, it's just that you know you're going 644 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 1: to move over to this point. It's maybe team the 645 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,960 Speaker 1: team didn't developed Mark central correctly, and you know, there's 646 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 1: a certain window to develop a quarterback. There's very very 647 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 1: veterans like foals developed afterwards. But that that was a 648 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 1: good team. Unlike Houston, which did not have a good 649 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 1: team and had nothing of an offensive line. Sanchez was 650 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 1: not battered to the point where it was a blitz 651 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 1: creek that you could use the excuse that, oh, quarterback 652 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 1: hits and quarterback sacks destroyed his career. I don't think 653 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 1: you can apply the same thing to him. And as 654 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 1: far as talent, I mean he had Santonio Holmes, he 655 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 1: had Braylon Edwards, LaDainian Tomlinson was there during his tenure. 656 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 1: It wasn't of course, of the Chargers, but was over 657 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,040 Speaker 1: Ladinium was in the end of the career. But again, 658 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 1: I want to talk about the the Giant Show. Yes, please, 659 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 1: I want to talk about one thing, Paul. You keep 660 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 1: defending Eli Manning to the end of the world. I 661 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:46,960 Speaker 1: just have one question for you. Is Eli Manning limited 662 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 1: now compared to us he was before? That's it may 663 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 1: be fastly seven years ago he's probably Oh, I don't know, physical, physical, 664 00:32:56,680 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 1: tool wise, maybe he's what he was us. That's pretty 665 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 1: big considering that there is you know, experts out there, 666 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks, We're talking about Ball Dinger, We're talking about 667 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 1: Matt Miller. There's people that are saying that this guy 668 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:16,520 Speaker 1: is pretty much done. So for you to say that's 669 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 1: pretty high. I just want you to let you know 670 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 1: that I'm here every day and I watched practice every day. 671 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,440 Speaker 1: Any of those folks what I have outstanding credentials? Have 672 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,000 Speaker 1: you known? Do you know how many times all of 673 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 1: them combined have been a giant's practice in the last 674 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 1: three years. That's very true. Zero zero, absolutely. So you 675 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 1: wanted that you know that you have a very high 676 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 1: point of view of Eli Manning. I'm here every day 677 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:39,720 Speaker 1: and I get to watch him, and I think you 678 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 1: know that I witness evidence is better than anything you're 679 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 1: gonna hear say on the street. That's true. That's true too. 680 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:47,800 Speaker 1: Also said you make a good point on that. Now, 681 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 1: what I wanted to say is, have you I know 682 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 1: that you hurt you spoke to scouts about Kyler Murray, 683 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 1: But have you done your own eye tests on Kyler Murray? 684 00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,520 Speaker 1: Have I done on Murray? No, I have not. Outside 685 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,400 Speaker 1: of things that I saw in regular television, I have 686 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,920 Speaker 1: not done my brain I started doing Haskins, by the way, 687 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,600 Speaker 1: and I'm not changing my opinion on Haskins Kyler Murray. 688 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:12,440 Speaker 1: For me. Part of my issue with Kyler Murray I 689 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,719 Speaker 1: have I have two well, I have to let's just 690 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:17,799 Speaker 1: before I even look at the tape. I have two 691 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:21,720 Speaker 1: issues going in. One is the size issue. Fundamentally speaking, 692 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,120 Speaker 1: and Lance and I were talking about this the other day. 693 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:28,880 Speaker 1: Fundamentally speaking, if you have a short quarterback, Okay, what 694 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:33,359 Speaker 1: that requires is an outstanding interior offensive line in front 695 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:37,279 Speaker 1: of him, so that defenses cannot crowd the front of 696 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 1: his pocket because he's got to be able to see 697 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,000 Speaker 1: and he's also got to be able to loft the 698 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:47,320 Speaker 1: ball across the defense. That's a very that's a that's 699 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:51,000 Speaker 1: a very big obstacle. That's number one. Obstacle Number two 700 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,360 Speaker 1: is if he drops back further, which is what usually 701 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,080 Speaker 1: short quarterbacks have to do to be able to get 702 00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,520 Speaker 1: the angle to see downfield and to get the ball out, 703 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,440 Speaker 1: that means they have to drop back further. If you 704 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,680 Speaker 1: drop back further, usually what happens in the NFL is 705 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,480 Speaker 1: those edge rushers come around to the back of the 706 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,520 Speaker 1: pocket because that's where your tackles are pushing them, which 707 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:16,360 Speaker 1: means he's right in harm's way. So that's obstacle number two. 708 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:20,520 Speaker 1: Obstacle number three becomes if that happens, he now has 709 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,200 Speaker 1: to step up into the front of the pocket to 710 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,960 Speaker 1: try to be able to buy that extra second or 711 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:29,320 Speaker 1: so to get the ball off. But if you don't 712 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,160 Speaker 1: have the proper protection in the interior of the offensive 713 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,520 Speaker 1: line in the front, there's no room for him to 714 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:39,439 Speaker 1: step off. That is obstacle number three. So you're absolutely right, 715 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,279 Speaker 1: much to the chagrin of my my short friend here, 716 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,800 Speaker 1: and I appreciate him. He's a great guy, knows a 717 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,040 Speaker 1: lot about football. He's a hell of an announcer. I 718 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:50,279 Speaker 1: wouldn't want Glance playing quarterback for me either, because he's 719 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:54,240 Speaker 1: got significant obstacles to overcome. So, as far as I'm concerned, 720 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,560 Speaker 1: Murray's already off my board because of those reasons, he's 721 00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,399 Speaker 1: off the board. The other problem I have. The other 722 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:04,360 Speaker 1: problem I have with him is that the indecision initially 723 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:08,560 Speaker 1: playing the baseball tag against the football tag. That's a 724 00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:12,560 Speaker 1: problem for me. Okay, listen, if you're all in, I 725 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,719 Speaker 1: want I want guys who were all in, who were 726 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:18,160 Speaker 1: gonna give me twelve months out of the year, all 727 00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:25,160 Speaker 1: in mental focus seven Okay on me. This guy was 728 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,080 Speaker 1: was playing games with baseball and football. Oh, I'm gonna 729 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:31,480 Speaker 1: make an announcement next week. I'm gonna make an announcement tomorrow. Oh, 730 00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,280 Speaker 1: this is what I'm gonna do. Have a nice day. 731 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,520 Speaker 1: That's that's not my guy had more more more to 732 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:41,680 Speaker 1: do with finances than anything. Yeah, I would agree with you, Antonio. Yeah, 733 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,040 Speaker 1: I think it was a money move. You mean to 734 00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,400 Speaker 1: tell me if he really wanted to play football in 735 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,000 Speaker 1: his heart of hearts, he was not going to get 736 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,200 Speaker 1: rich and support his family playing football. No, But I 737 00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,920 Speaker 1: think it was also I think it was also I 738 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,480 Speaker 1: think it was something that his agent and his representatives 739 00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,000 Speaker 1: advised him because I think they also wanted to assess 740 00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:01,680 Speaker 1: the interest in the draft for the NFL side. Well, 741 00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,399 Speaker 1: if he's threatening to go to baseball, what if we 742 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,040 Speaker 1: pique the interest of some NFL teams, how high would 743 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:09,799 Speaker 1: they be willing to go. You sort of do that 744 00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,200 Speaker 1: from a strategic stand And I think that was and 745 00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:15,560 Speaker 1: I get the mechanisms there, but for me, and again, 746 00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:17,600 Speaker 1: I'm not a GM. But if I'm a GM, I'm 747 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,719 Speaker 1: not touching the guy who plays games like that. Well, 748 00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:21,319 Speaker 1: that's more of a reason why you sit down that 749 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,520 Speaker 1: guy at the combine and you have a face to 750 00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,680 Speaker 1: face conversation and you get out of him exactly, not 751 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,880 Speaker 1: through a third source, Kyler, what's your game plan? And 752 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,880 Speaker 1: then you say, hey, listen, we draft you, we expect 753 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,640 Speaker 1: you to be football seven. You're not going to spring 754 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:39,560 Speaker 1: training and this and that. It's lance, but it's okay. Well, anyway, 755 00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:41,520 Speaker 1: that was one of the worst insults I've ever been called. 756 00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,000 Speaker 1: But it's okay. I don't know if I'll take your 757 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,239 Speaker 1: phone call in the future. It's anyway, it's all right. 758 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,640 Speaker 1: That's strike too, just so you know. But anyway, he's 759 00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,440 Speaker 1: off my board regardless, and and the short thing is 760 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,000 Speaker 1: too much for him to overcome for me. Here's the 761 00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,680 Speaker 1: fact about Kyla Murray and I just finished doing a 762 00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:02,080 Speaker 1: study and to study as yet. But Kyla Murray played 763 00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,680 Speaker 1: about eight and this was confirmed. Also. I think it's 764 00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:09,120 Speaker 1: co treated that he played the snaps inside the pocket. 765 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:13,600 Speaker 1: The kid runs almost a four three. The kid is dynamic. 766 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,279 Speaker 1: I mean, if you think about Jackson, uh that's that's 767 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:20,960 Speaker 1: the name from Baltimore, Jackson, a more accurate version of Jackson, 768 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,799 Speaker 1: if that's even possible. But it is um and this 769 00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:27,319 Speaker 1: kid played in the pocket um so, so he's not. 770 00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,080 Speaker 1: It's it's not like he's not used to that. And 771 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:33,000 Speaker 1: any quarterbacks doesn't matter if you're off your statue, if 772 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,600 Speaker 1: you're a mobile or not. If you get the pass 773 00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:37,919 Speaker 1: rush right up the middle, it's gonna be a long 774 00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:41,279 Speaker 1: day for you. Eli Manning when he gets that's his kryptonite, 775 00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,080 Speaker 1: getting pass rush right up the middle. So so it's 776 00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,920 Speaker 1: not just about Kyler Murray in his size, it's any quarterback. 777 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,319 Speaker 1: You have to protect the middle of the pocket. I 778 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:53,239 Speaker 1: think that's one thing for sure. Tall quarterback doesn't have 779 00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,080 Speaker 1: to worry about the angles. He doesn't have to worry 780 00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,640 Speaker 1: about getting the ball up and over. He doesn't have 781 00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,719 Speaker 1: to worry about the If the rush is coming in, 782 00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,080 Speaker 1: well he can see over it. Kyler Murray is gonna 783 00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:07,640 Speaker 1: have obstacles. He's got three significant obstacles because of his height. 784 00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,759 Speaker 1: No matter what you say about his speaker become those obstacles. 785 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:15,480 Speaker 1: He's won the Heisman in in in the n C double, 786 00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,400 Speaker 1: A big deal means nothing to me. This is the 787 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,880 Speaker 1: NFL lineman d lines are almost exact same size as 788 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:28,359 Speaker 1: about big Well, listen, Antonio, I like Kyler Murray's game, 789 00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:30,160 Speaker 1: and I don't disagree with any of the point you're 790 00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,279 Speaker 1: bringing up. I do disagree, and we're gonna let you 791 00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:33,239 Speaker 1: go on that because you want to get to you 792 00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,520 Speaker 1: a few phone calls. One thing about the defense, real quick, 793 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,120 Speaker 1: quick thing about the defense. So I would be okay 794 00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:42,960 Speaker 1: with us trading away or releasing even Olivia Vernon if 795 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:44,640 Speaker 1: we don't want to the quarterback I would love to 796 00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,239 Speaker 1: us to called Davis the linebackers from LSU. I think 797 00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,000 Speaker 1: he is really good one. We need to solidify the 798 00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:52,040 Speaker 1: middle of the field. The middle of the field is 799 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,719 Speaker 1: the most important thing. Look at the Patriots. They didn't 800 00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:56,800 Speaker 1: get that many sacks last year. They got a whole 801 00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,960 Speaker 1: but but they stopped the run. We need to solidify ourselves. 802 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,120 Speaker 1: Stop in the run and we'll take care of everything else. 803 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,319 Speaker 1: The phone call. Yeah, but if you remove Vernon, then 804 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,560 Speaker 1: you still need to find somebody to get after the quarterback. 805 00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:10,720 Speaker 1: It's not like you could just ignore that. And Vernon 806 00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,360 Speaker 1: was the main guy that got to the quarterback this 807 00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,759 Speaker 1: past season. You remove him and you're saying you're gonna 808 00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,040 Speaker 1: focus on the middle of the linebacking corps. He's still 809 00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:21,520 Speaker 1: gonna need somebody off the edge. And by removing JPP 810 00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,120 Speaker 1: from the roster, Vernon didn't have his compliment. Now you 811 00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:25,759 Speaker 1: get rid of Vernon, all right, So now you got 812 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,040 Speaker 1: two areas that you still need to address. I would 813 00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:29,840 Speaker 1: not be so quick to part ways of it, but 814 00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:31,600 Speaker 1: real quickly before we get back to the phone call. 815 00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,160 Speaker 1: The point of why you can't just say, well, Murray 816 00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:38,520 Speaker 1: thrived against teams in the Big Twelve as a member 817 00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,040 Speaker 1: of Oklahoma, and therefore it's automatically going to translate is 818 00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,240 Speaker 1: first of all, was one year. Okay, it's a small 819 00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:47,560 Speaker 1: sample size. He did not start as long as Baker Mayfield, 820 00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,080 Speaker 1: so it's still a little bit more potential than him. 821 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,279 Speaker 1: And while you want to say the people of the 822 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:55,520 Speaker 1: same size, the Big twelve defense I would not describe 823 00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:57,920 Speaker 1: as the kreme de la kreme of college football the 824 00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,840 Speaker 1: last time I checked. Okay, you know, so all of 825 00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:02,719 Speaker 1: those things need to be taking to consideration. I don't 826 00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:04,360 Speaker 1: disagree with any of the call of sentiments. I like 827 00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,560 Speaker 1: Murray's athleticism. I love his arm, love his heart. I 828 00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,200 Speaker 1: think he's a good decision maker for the most part. 829 00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,960 Speaker 1: Still has room to improve there, but those limitations and 830 00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:17,600 Speaker 1: the short sample size, the small sample size, cannot be dismissed. 831 00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:19,960 Speaker 1: You have to take all of that into consideration. Let's 832 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,960 Speaker 1: get back to the phone lines. Jose is in Orlando, Jose, 833 00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:24,640 Speaker 1: welcome the Big Blue kick off? Live what he got 834 00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:30,200 Speaker 1: for us? How you doing what's on your mind? All right? 835 00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:33,719 Speaker 1: My thumber there? When you talk about Kyler Murray playing 836 00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:35,759 Speaker 1: in the Big twelve, that's like a basketball game. They 837 00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,520 Speaker 1: don't play defense on the big TWA. They don't track me. 838 00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,120 Speaker 1: I completely agree with you on that, and totally enough 839 00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,200 Speaker 1: to beat up put Kyler Murray a little bit. But 840 00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,279 Speaker 1: John Elway played the baseball card back when he was 841 00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,040 Speaker 1: going to get trafted. He did, he did, and you 842 00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,279 Speaker 1: know the funny part. The funny part about that was 843 00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,000 Speaker 1: Ernie of Coursie wanted to challenge him, but he was 844 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:57,520 Speaker 1: gonna hold him. Ernie wanted no part of that trade. 845 00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,360 Speaker 1: And it was say the owner who end up with 846 00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,160 Speaker 1: the Colts who wound up trading him without Ernie. Of 847 00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:07,040 Speaker 1: course he's knowledge and permission. Ernie was the GM and 848 00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,040 Speaker 1: of course he went and made the trade because he 849 00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:12,239 Speaker 1: got scared. He he didn't like the whole baseball thing. 850 00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:16,320 Speaker 1: Ernie truly believed that at that time Elway was strictly 851 00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,880 Speaker 1: using it as as a business move. It wasn't he. 852 00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,400 Speaker 1: And that's what we're saying. Kyler Murray well too. I 853 00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,320 Speaker 1: don't know the answer to that, but it wouldn't be 854 00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:28,880 Speaker 1: a guy who I want to draft. But but anyway, 855 00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,080 Speaker 1: here's the thing. Elway, of course, was a tall quarterback 856 00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:37,080 Speaker 1: who had phenomenal skills. And I know you can't compare 857 00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:39,040 Speaker 1: the two. They're not the same at all. Not. What 858 00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,880 Speaker 1: I'm saying is I'm comparing the situation. Yeah, the strategy, 859 00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,839 Speaker 1: he was leveraging baseball to get a better opportunity. I'm 860 00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,239 Speaker 1: not a fan of that. The same thing. I'm not 861 00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:51,239 Speaker 1: a fan though, I'm not a fan of leverage. Yeah. 862 00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,720 Speaker 1: I'm a football guy. You're done straight. I'm a football 863 00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:57,120 Speaker 1: guy first second, and Kyler is too. But I don't 864 00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:58,680 Speaker 1: want to get too much on Kyler because I don't 865 00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:00,640 Speaker 1: want to burn my time with that. And um, what 866 00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,480 Speaker 1: I wanted to say is a couple of things, just 867 00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,280 Speaker 1: to play a little bit of Devil's advocates here. Um, 868 00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:10,440 Speaker 1: I think before I'm going to everybody's saying, oh, we 869 00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,440 Speaker 1: needs a quarterback, we used a quarterback and use a quarterback. 870 00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:14,840 Speaker 1: The thing you have to understand, we have players like 871 00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:18,640 Speaker 1: Oldell Beckham Jr. During the prime of their career right now. 872 00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:22,080 Speaker 1: If we wait for to draft the quarterback to develop 873 00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:24,440 Speaker 1: a quarterback to get them going by the time, we're 874 00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:27,840 Speaker 1: losing on that window of his of his prime. Although 875 00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:31,240 Speaker 1: we have younger players and stuff like that, So I agree. 876 00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:32,879 Speaker 1: Maybe I was thinking maybe we should get a bridge 877 00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,759 Speaker 1: quarterback by Teddy Bridgewater. Maybe he could do something like 878 00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,760 Speaker 1: that and then we can wait. But I think forget 879 00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,640 Speaker 1: about quarterback. The number one thing that I think the 880 00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:45,399 Speaker 1: Giants needs is our defense. Nobody's afraid of the Giants deef. 881 00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:50,439 Speaker 1: Nobody's afraid of the Giants defense. Pass rush we got, 882 00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:52,880 Speaker 1: we got no corners, we got no safety help. I 883 00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,160 Speaker 1: would love to pay up hot Clinton Dix with his 884 00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,879 Speaker 1: old Alabama teenage uns or even the honey Badger Justice 885 00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,200 Speaker 1: a little by the middle of that defense to have 886 00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,479 Speaker 1: a safety that could Roman help out on both sides, 887 00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,520 Speaker 1: especially when we go to Nickels and dimes as well 888 00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:10,560 Speaker 1: as we need another pass rusher and pass rushers those 889 00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:12,480 Speaker 1: guys that we get a pass rusher in with the 890 00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,319 Speaker 1: sixth round, I'm okay with that, you know, and you know, 891 00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,440 Speaker 1: it all depends on what Gettoman wants to do. If 892 00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:19,920 Speaker 1: he needs to get a quarterback, and if he does decide, hey, 893 00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,680 Speaker 1: that's my guy, like you guys talked about yesterday, then yeah, 894 00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:26,560 Speaker 1: that's his guy. But we need to get defensive defensive 895 00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,799 Speaker 1: linebacker that can go sideline the sideline because these things 896 00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,600 Speaker 1: we need a fast linebacker. Our team doesn't have a 897 00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,120 Speaker 1: lot of speed. This guy's beating us to the corner. 898 00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:37,239 Speaker 1: We got no pass rush, but we get a little 899 00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:41,120 Speaker 1: quicker with a defensive lignement, a safety, like hopefully pick 900 00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,239 Speaker 1: up one up in the free agency and then go 901 00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:46,239 Speaker 1: draft with your defensive linement with linebackers and then get 902 00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,440 Speaker 1: maybe an offensive linement in the third round because we 903 00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,440 Speaker 1: are going to dropt up to the third round. I 904 00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:52,640 Speaker 1: believe that the same thing you said about that, Polly. 905 00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:54,959 Speaker 1: I don't think the Giants and let that that gap 906 00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:57,600 Speaker 1: between draft picks happen. So we'll probably trade up to 907 00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:01,160 Speaker 1: get up there. But yeah, I totally agree with people 908 00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,319 Speaker 1: like all they need a quarterback. Listen, if we get 909 00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,359 Speaker 1: a quarterback, that's fine. But guess what we're gonna be 910 00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:08,799 Speaker 1: the big twelve of the NFC East. We're gonna score 911 00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:10,839 Speaker 1: a lot of points because we got an offensive line 912 00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,080 Speaker 1: and elies dipping the boat of the weapons, but we're 913 00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:15,760 Speaker 1: not stopping anyone. Well, they already let the They already 914 00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,399 Speaker 1: let the NFC Eastern points this pace season and look 915 00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:22,919 Speaker 1: what happened and also points allowed to they were on oppensite. Yeah, 916 00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:26,520 Speaker 1: you just try to outscore everybody, Giants, And I'm just like, man, 917 00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:28,560 Speaker 1: you guys gotta look at look at the horse's mouth 918 00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,520 Speaker 1: and say, hey, look we're not stopping anyone. We're scoring 919 00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,000 Speaker 1: dirty points here. Okay, fine, we just score. We didn't 920 00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:35,759 Speaker 1: have a lot of games when we scored dirty points more. 921 00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:39,080 Speaker 1: But even if we do solidified, get another offensive lineman, 922 00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,840 Speaker 1: what's gonna happen to our defense? Our defense and Swiss cheese. 923 00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,400 Speaker 1: So with that said, that's that's one thing I know 924 00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,640 Speaker 1: Mr Mary and Mr Tish wants to long want to 925 00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:50,360 Speaker 1: have success for a long period of time, but we 926 00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,000 Speaker 1: put a bandmid on it. We need to take care 927 00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:54,640 Speaker 1: of our defense first and and have people fear us again, 928 00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:56,239 Speaker 1: like do you fear the Giants back in the day 929 00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,200 Speaker 1: in the eighties and the nineties when we had a 930 00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:01,080 Speaker 1: good defense and good running game in a decent quarterback. 931 00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:02,919 Speaker 1: We don't need to hear it out. Oh that's why 932 00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:04,880 Speaker 1: you need balance on the rosters. I mean, there's no 933 00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:06,960 Speaker 1: doubt about and the thing that you've said before you go, 934 00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:09,799 Speaker 1: the thing that you've said that really plays into the 935 00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:13,200 Speaker 1: Giant's hands. Not only are you talking smart, but it 936 00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,040 Speaker 1: just so happens that their need fits the strength of 937 00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:20,600 Speaker 1: the draft. Because we are hearing that of the first 938 00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:24,480 Speaker 1: three rounds is going to be defense. The value is 939 00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:27,600 Speaker 1: going to meet the Giants needs as they pick high 940 00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,839 Speaker 1: in this draft. That's that's why it makes sense. If 941 00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:33,280 Speaker 1: you and I were just sitting here saying they need defense, 942 00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,360 Speaker 1: they have to draft defense, and it was a bad 943 00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:39,200 Speaker 1: draft for defense, then that would be forcing the issue. 944 00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,839 Speaker 1: That would be wrong. That's not the case. There's a 945 00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,759 Speaker 1: lot of great defense in this draft. So let's go 946 00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,160 Speaker 1: get it and Jose appreciate the phone call, thanks so 947 00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:51,399 Speaker 1: much awaiting. The one thing, though, that I disagree with, 948 00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:54,120 Speaker 1: is you can't have the mindset that you don't want 949 00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:55,880 Speaker 1: to draft a quarterback. You don't want to bring in 950 00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:59,040 Speaker 1: a young quarterback because you're going to waste the prime 951 00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,480 Speaker 1: of certain players careers. I disagree with that. And here's 952 00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:03,480 Speaker 1: the perfect example. Look at what the Eagles did. They 953 00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,200 Speaker 1: brought in Carson Wentz. By the second year, the team 954 00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:09,160 Speaker 1: was flourishing. With respect to Russell Wilson and the Seahawks, 955 00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:11,920 Speaker 1: they drafted him. The team quickly was flourishing. Dallas and 956 00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:14,600 Speaker 1: the Dak Prescott scenario. I know Romo was supposed to 957 00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:16,600 Speaker 1: be the quarterback. He went down, Dad comes in and 958 00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:18,879 Speaker 1: they're immediately making some noise, so you just you never 959 00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:20,799 Speaker 1: know with what's gonna happen with a young quarterback. It's 960 00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:22,000 Speaker 1: more of a reason why as long as you have 961 00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:26,040 Speaker 1: a balanced team you could have success with a young quarterback. 962 00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,479 Speaker 1: You can't shy away from pulling the trigger just because 963 00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:30,680 Speaker 1: you think there's gonna be some growing pains. Every team's 964 00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,160 Speaker 1: gone through that. But if you have balance, you overcome 965 00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:35,160 Speaker 1: some of those young growing pains. I think that was 966 00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:37,840 Speaker 1: a tiny percentage of his point. I don't think that really. No, No, 967 00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,000 Speaker 1: I wasn't well listen like any other conversation. I'm just 968 00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:41,960 Speaker 1: bringing in, okay, to add to it. I'm I'm not 969 00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:43,839 Speaker 1: saying he was hammering that home. He just brought up 970 00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,160 Speaker 1: Odell Beckham's in the prime. You don't want to waste 971 00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:48,359 Speaker 1: his prime on a young quarterback. And my point is 972 00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:50,880 Speaker 1: Dak Prescott, Carson, Wentz, Russell Wilson. I could list a 973 00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:54,520 Speaker 1: lot young guys who have had some early success. They've 974 00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:59,360 Speaker 1: they've wasted enough of Elis years without having an offensive line. Okay, 975 00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:01,120 Speaker 1: let's let you know if you really want to talk 976 00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:04,640 Speaker 1: about wasting years. So I mean, next school, let's head 977 00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,799 Speaker 1: to Buffalo, where Peter is Peter, Welcome the Big Blue 978 00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,160 Speaker 1: Kick Off Live. What do you got for us? Yeah, 979 00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:12,040 Speaker 1: I just wanted to kind of ride on the coat 980 00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:15,120 Speaker 1: tails of the last caller. UM, A longtime listener, first 981 00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:16,759 Speaker 1: time caller. I'm a big fan of you guys. Well, 982 00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:21,520 Speaker 1: thanks to appreciate it. Um. The one thing I was 983 00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,759 Speaker 1: I was wanted to touch on real quick was that, 984 00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:27,480 Speaker 1: you know, all these Antel analysts are talking about how 985 00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,960 Speaker 1: the Giants are gonna be taking a quarterback at number six, 986 00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:33,879 Speaker 1: and I just completely disagree with that. I just don't 987 00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:39,640 Speaker 1: see that happening. I just don't see Getleman doing that. UM, defense, 988 00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:43,600 Speaker 1: we need more, you know, it's more of a priority 989 00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,040 Speaker 1: I think to get somebody on the defense to you know, 990 00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:51,480 Speaker 1: fill that in. And I was one of the basically 991 00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:56,040 Speaker 1: what you guys thought possibly acquiring Tyrod Taylor. And I 992 00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:58,480 Speaker 1: can take your answer off here for that. I appreciate 993 00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:00,640 Speaker 1: the phone called, Peter, Thanks so much for weighing in. 994 00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,719 Speaker 1: Tyrod Taylor was brought into Cleveland last year to be 995 00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:08,600 Speaker 1: that bridge coincidentally for Baker Mayfield. And I will say this, 996 00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:11,279 Speaker 1: if Tyrod doesn't get hurt, I don't think Baker sees 997 00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,480 Speaker 1: the field as early as he did. It's so happened 998 00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:16,760 Speaker 1: to open up the door for Baker Mayfield. Tyrod Taylor 999 00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:20,000 Speaker 1: remember help Buffalo get to the playoffs the year before. 1000 00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:23,600 Speaker 1: I mean, I think Tyrod doesn't get enough credit for 1001 00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,000 Speaker 1: his decision making. If if if you look at his touchdown 1002 00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:27,879 Speaker 1: the interception ratio over the course of his career, it's 1003 00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:31,200 Speaker 1: not bad. Durability is certainly a question mark with him. 1004 00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:33,400 Speaker 1: He's battled some injuries over the course of his career, 1005 00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:34,960 Speaker 1: and I think when you look at some of the 1006 00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:38,640 Speaker 1: veteran quarterbacks, it's not necessarily a bad option if they 1007 00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,880 Speaker 1: wanted to go that route. So you know, it's somebody 1008 00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,960 Speaker 1: that is worth having a conversation about. I wouldn't necessarily 1009 00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,839 Speaker 1: be anti Tyrod Taylor, Like I said, I I don't 1010 00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:51,759 Speaker 1: think his numbers and just the chatter surrounding him does 1011 00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,480 Speaker 1: him justice. I'm just making sure it's Tyrod Taylor a 1012 00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:56,360 Speaker 1: free agent though, now that I think about it, I 1013 00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,800 Speaker 1: was looking up he statific contract is a free agent. 1014 00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:02,719 Speaker 1: He so Cleveland only gave him, well, they acquired the 1015 00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,359 Speaker 1: Buffalo deal and then he had one year remaining, Okay, 1016 00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:07,480 Speaker 1: I just wanted to confirm that. So he he is. 1017 00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:09,759 Speaker 1: He is a free agent as far as I could tell, 1018 00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:11,960 Speaker 1: I mean, I would consider him if you want to 1019 00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,320 Speaker 1: have a bridge. I I don't think that's a stretch. 1020 00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:16,120 Speaker 1: I don't know what you think about Tyrod Taylor, but 1021 00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:18,399 Speaker 1: I think you can do far worse than Tyrod tel 1022 00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:22,120 Speaker 1: if he's backing up Manning in nineteen because they don't 1023 00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:25,879 Speaker 1: draft the quarterback. I wouldn't necessarily be screaming about that. 1024 00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:29,360 Speaker 1: But if you're telling me go get Tyrod Taylor and 1025 00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:31,799 Speaker 1: get rid of Eli Manning, well, then I'm going to know. 1026 00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:33,719 Speaker 1: I don't think that would be the plan. I think 1027 00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:35,680 Speaker 1: it would be. Remember this goes back to the conversation 1028 00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:39,040 Speaker 1: we had yesterday. Pat Shermer values having a veteran quarterback 1029 00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:42,160 Speaker 1: in the backup spot. Somebody who without reps over the 1030 00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,920 Speaker 1: course of a week can come in. So I can 1031 00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,440 Speaker 1: absolutely see a scenario like that playing out, and Dan 1032 00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:51,520 Speaker 1: Salamo and our exquisite producer we should mention compared to 1033 00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:54,520 Speaker 1: everybody else who assists on this program, Tyrod Taylor fifty 1034 00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:58,600 Speaker 1: three touchdowns, twenty interceptions told his numbers are not as 1035 00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:01,200 Speaker 1: bad as people make it out. Just associate with him 1036 00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:04,280 Speaker 1: with the Bills and not winning consistently and so forth. 1037 00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:06,560 Speaker 1: If he wanted to come in here and wound up 1038 00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:08,640 Speaker 1: being the number two guy, I would not have a 1039 00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:11,000 Speaker 1: problem with that. Let's add back to the phone lines. 1040 00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:13,719 Speaker 1: Lenn Is in Columbia, Maryland, Len, Welcome the Big Blue 1041 00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:15,720 Speaker 1: Kick Off Live. What do you got for us? Hey? Guys? 1042 00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:19,759 Speaker 1: How you doing what you Hey? Quick quick comment on 1043 00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:21,879 Speaker 1: when you were going through the NFC East A couple 1044 00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:23,920 Speaker 1: of a couple of things on the Redskins free agents 1045 00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:27,280 Speaker 1: that you talked about. Preston Smith's a pretty good player. 1046 00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:31,560 Speaker 1: He would not be Yeah, I don't think he's as 1047 00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:35,720 Speaker 1: good as Vernon, but Smith's Smith's pretty good. I wouldn't 1048 00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:40,839 Speaker 1: mind seeing him on the team. Um, the safety hicks man, 1049 00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:44,480 Speaker 1: he had a apparently you know, I'm on an expert 1050 00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:48,000 Speaker 1: on safety play, but the word on the street here 1051 00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:50,719 Speaker 1: and amongst the experts, so called experts, the sports talk 1052 00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:53,600 Speaker 1: guys in Washington, he was terrible. It was the last 1053 00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,799 Speaker 1: eight games he did no. I don't know if you know, 1054 00:51:57,520 --> 00:51:59,319 Speaker 1: the Giants want to go in that direction and they 1055 00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:01,680 Speaker 1: know more than I do. I'm just saying, what the what? 1056 00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:05,759 Speaker 1: What the so called wisdom was on this guy? As 1057 00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:08,640 Speaker 1: as the season was winding down, and I think they 1058 00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:11,000 Speaker 1: had him for like seven games at the end of 1059 00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:14,279 Speaker 1: the season, but just you know, feeling was he he 1060 00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:16,239 Speaker 1: didn't do much at all. He wasn't the big guy 1061 00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:18,400 Speaker 1: I really like. And I'm going to go out on 1062 00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:21,800 Speaker 1: a limb here and say he he is a free agent. 1063 00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:24,680 Speaker 1: I really like that. Why to receive a Crowder. I'd 1064 00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:26,759 Speaker 1: like him from the first day he put that uniform on. 1065 00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:29,960 Speaker 1: He he's a good player. I don't even know he's 1066 00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:32,560 Speaker 1: a free agent, whether the Giants can fitiment with their budget, 1067 00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:35,080 Speaker 1: but I always keep my eye on Crowder. He's a 1068 00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:37,640 Speaker 1: good player. Crowder is a free agent, land though. You're 1069 00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:41,200 Speaker 1: right about that, and I've liked him to He did 1070 00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:43,440 Speaker 1: damage against the Giants of your call not too long 1071 00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:46,120 Speaker 1: ago in a matchup right here in MetLife Stadium. The 1072 00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:48,840 Speaker 1: one thing I will say about him is durability the 1073 00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:51,720 Speaker 1: last few seasons has a bit fully healthy. It's something 1074 00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:54,440 Speaker 1: you definitely want to look into. But I think and 1075 00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:56,359 Speaker 1: I think we talked about this a couple of weeks ago. 1076 00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:59,280 Speaker 1: You know, when you look at your opponents in the East, 1077 00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:03,200 Speaker 1: and you know you look at the wide receivers, you know, 1078 00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:08,640 Speaker 1: Jefferies Um Cooper. Don't discount Crowder. We need a corner 1079 00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:11,359 Speaker 1: who can cover those guys. Well, we're gonna get I mean, 1080 00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:16,680 Speaker 1: we're gonna get burned. Um, you want another in that group? 1081 00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:19,080 Speaker 1: I think he's you know, maybe not a Mari Cooper, 1082 00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,840 Speaker 1: but he's he's a player, the guy. I don't dispute 1083 00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:24,920 Speaker 1: his talent, but he's another Smurf. I got enough smurfs 1084 00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:27,400 Speaker 1: in that room. I don't want no part of another smurf. 1085 00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:32,160 Speaker 1: Go get tall. Go get me a tall guy like Bungeons. Okay, Okay, 1086 00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:37,840 Speaker 1: good point, Paul, good point. And Paul, um you're assessment 1087 00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:40,000 Speaker 1: on Eli. You know when you answer that question that 1088 00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:43,879 Speaker 1: he's where he was five six years ago. I think 1089 00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:47,160 Speaker 1: you were more than fair. And Paul, here's my take 1090 00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:51,960 Speaker 1: on this quarterback situation. If if they signed Eli to 1091 00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:56,319 Speaker 1: a two year extension tomorrow and we had him for 1092 00:53:56,400 --> 00:54:00,359 Speaker 1: three years, I jumped for joy, absolutely jump for joy. 1093 00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:03,560 Speaker 1: Now everybody knows who's ever listened to my calling, You 1094 00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:07,400 Speaker 1: guys certainly know I do have a little bias. I 1095 00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:11,200 Speaker 1: like Eli obviously, but hey, I'm not for draft in 1096 00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:13,840 Speaker 1: the quarterback at six. But in the fact, if you 1097 00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:15,719 Speaker 1: think one of those two if we think one of 1098 00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:19,399 Speaker 1: those two quarterbacks is as good as the sixth pick 1099 00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:21,480 Speaker 1: in the draft, They're probably not going to be there 1100 00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:24,799 Speaker 1: at the six pick. Somebody's straighten up and get yeah, 1101 00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:28,759 Speaker 1: I mean they're not gonna wait oh, I mean it 1102 00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:31,840 Speaker 1: also it depends on what teams think of this quarterback class. 1103 00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:34,839 Speaker 1: But you're right, everybody's talking about Haskins. For example, Len 1104 00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:37,000 Speaker 1: for all we know he's taken in the top five picks, 1105 00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,080 Speaker 1: and when the Giants are ready to select, Haskins is 1106 00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:43,439 Speaker 1: not even there if they think he's actually if other 1107 00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:47,920 Speaker 1: teams I think he's besides the Giants actually think this 1108 00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:50,680 Speaker 1: guy is worthy of the sixth pick in the draft, 1109 00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:53,480 Speaker 1: there's gonna be there's gonna be teams trying to I 1110 00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:56,120 Speaker 1: mean four or five teams trying to get ahead of 1111 00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:59,000 Speaker 1: us to make that pick. Well, yeah, because it would 1112 00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:01,919 Speaker 1: behoof the Giants. As I said last year, it would 1113 00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:04,400 Speaker 1: behoove the Giants to make people think they're going to 1114 00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:08,520 Speaker 1: consider the quarterback. So this way, somebody is going to 1115 00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:10,319 Speaker 1: have to jump up and make a move, and maybe 1116 00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:12,319 Speaker 1: they even make a move with the Giants. Well, maybe 1117 00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:14,359 Speaker 1: the Giants get an extra pick. Well, and I will 1118 00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:16,839 Speaker 1: say this related to that. Why do you think there's 1119 00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:19,879 Speaker 1: a lot of speculations surrounding what Cliff Kingsbury, the new 1120 00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:23,080 Speaker 1: Cardinals coach, said about Kyler Murray not too long ago, 1121 00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:26,279 Speaker 1: because the Cardinals would be wise to sell the back 1122 00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:28,880 Speaker 1: that they may want to move on from Josh Rosen, 1123 00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:31,440 Speaker 1: because now teams have to think twice, do we need 1124 00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:34,200 Speaker 1: to move up if the Cardinals take a quarterback and 1125 00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:38,600 Speaker 1: we want Haskins and they love Murray. It's all strategy. 1126 00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:40,520 Speaker 1: That's why you can only put so much stock and 1127 00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:44,960 Speaker 1: substance into what the media sending the quarterback. Acide the 1128 00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,359 Speaker 1: one thing we know there is gonna be one heck 1129 00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:50,120 Speaker 1: of a football player there at number six. I mean, 1130 00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:53,920 Speaker 1: there's really gonna be somebody at a number of physicians 1131 00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:57,040 Speaker 1: who's really going to help us going and probably on defense, 1132 00:55:57,560 --> 00:55:59,759 Speaker 1: you know, probably on defense. It's gonna give me the 1133 00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:02,680 Speaker 1: best chance to win. Who's given me the best Can 1134 00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:06,360 Speaker 1: I say something about Clernon and Jenkins? Is there a 1135 00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:10,280 Speaker 1: point and Lance you you've probably alluded to it earlier 1136 00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:14,319 Speaker 1: in the show. Is there a point at which we say, 1137 00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:18,279 Speaker 1: you know, they're just gonna keep Vernon and Jenkins? I 1138 00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:21,040 Speaker 1: mean the longer it goes on, even day by day, guys, 1139 00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:24,960 Speaker 1: it's an indication that Vernon and Jenkins are going to 1140 00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:28,720 Speaker 1: be around. I just you know, it's getting it's getting 1141 00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:30,160 Speaker 1: on a little bit. And if you want to help, 1142 00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:32,960 Speaker 1: if you want to help those two guys out, help 1143 00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:35,200 Speaker 1: them find a job before free agency and before the 1144 00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:37,960 Speaker 1: draft and people make all their big decisions, I mean, 1145 00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:39,560 Speaker 1: you let them go now, You let them go this 1146 00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:42,560 Speaker 1: week and give the guy a chance to break in somewhere. 1147 00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:46,520 Speaker 1: So I think almost day by day, the longer it 1148 00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:48,759 Speaker 1: goes on, the more we can be sure. And again, Lance, 1149 00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:50,640 Speaker 1: I think you talked about the fact that you thought 1150 00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:53,040 Speaker 1: Vernon was going to be here next year. Yeah, I 1151 00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:55,120 Speaker 1: don't see any writing on the wall at least at 1152 00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:57,400 Speaker 1: this point to think otherwise. And I'm also looking at 1153 00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:59,480 Speaker 1: the makeup of the roster and whether or not you 1154 00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:03,200 Speaker 1: realistically have a replacements as it stands right now. And 1155 00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:05,600 Speaker 1: the answer is Vernon was by far the most productive 1156 00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:07,760 Speaker 1: pass rusher, even though he missed some of the season. 1157 00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:10,719 Speaker 1: George Young used to say, when when you're going to 1158 00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:13,400 Speaker 1: ask me a question about replacing somebody, you better have 1159 00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:16,880 Speaker 1: the answer first. And George was so right in that regard. 1160 00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:21,040 Speaker 1: So maybe the Giants simply want to see a better 1161 00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:25,240 Speaker 1: view of the free agent pool before they determine what 1162 00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:28,080 Speaker 1: they're gonna do with some of their guys, because there's 1163 00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:32,240 Speaker 1: always a possibility that maybe they got their eyes. Let's 1164 00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:35,840 Speaker 1: just say, on player X, player X could be Clowney, 1165 00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:39,160 Speaker 1: Player X could be Ford, Player X could be any 1166 00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:45,240 Speaker 1: pass rusher, and who knows, and and and they're like, Okay, 1167 00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:48,280 Speaker 1: well let's see what X team is gonna do with 1168 00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:51,600 Speaker 1: player X, because if player X is gonna get tied 1169 00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:53,920 Speaker 1: up and go back to his original team all of 1170 00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:57,040 Speaker 1: a sudden, maybe we think we're better off holding onto 1171 00:57:57,040 --> 00:57:59,640 Speaker 1: the guy we have. There are a lot of scenario 1172 00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:01,520 Speaker 1: Only thing is and where I was coming from with 1173 00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:04,040 Speaker 1: that is, you know, you get into the human resource thing, Paul. 1174 00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:07,240 Speaker 1: I mean, maybe you do that, But I would think 1175 00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:09,320 Speaker 1: by now, if they're seeing them for two years and 1176 00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:11,760 Speaker 1: knowing what you have and you've got a pretty good 1177 00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:13,560 Speaker 1: late not you, but the Giants have a pretty good 1178 00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:16,880 Speaker 1: lay of the land, I think you can make that decision. 1179 00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:20,080 Speaker 1: And then you know these guys, haven't You know, other 1180 00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:21,880 Speaker 1: teams are going to be making their Other teams are 1181 00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:23,760 Speaker 1: going to be making their decisions to I know, I 1182 00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:30,840 Speaker 1: get it gets sticky. It gets sticky. And then there's 1183 00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:32,880 Speaker 1: the other thing about you want to see how your 1184 00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:35,680 Speaker 1: cap is shaken out too, because let's say you do 1185 00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:38,320 Speaker 1: want a jettison a player, now do you make them 1186 00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:40,760 Speaker 1: a post June first cut so you can spread out 1187 00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:44,360 Speaker 1: the money. It also becomes a strategic move too. There's 1188 00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:46,280 Speaker 1: a lot of movement parts here. You've got to see 1189 00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:48,320 Speaker 1: how the timeline plays outline and Lessen, We're gonna let 1190 00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:51,680 Speaker 1: you go on that note. Appreciate it. Thanks for weighing in. 1191 00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:54,720 Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's realistic to perhaps look at 1192 00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:56,960 Speaker 1: the fact that they may test the free agent waters 1193 00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:59,200 Speaker 1: before they make decisions on players currently on the roster. 1194 00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:01,720 Speaker 1: I don't think that's at ug but I agree with you, Paul. 1195 00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:04,040 Speaker 1: You gotta know what Plan B is before all of 1196 00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:07,000 Speaker 1: a sudden you implement Plan A. You don't have a replacement. 1197 00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:09,560 Speaker 1: It could put you even in a tougher predicament. The 1198 00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:12,000 Speaker 1: last thing you want to do is create another crater 1199 00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:15,280 Speaker 1: going into the The point is to fill the voids, 1200 00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:17,640 Speaker 1: not create more. 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