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Speaker 1: Spreading in with Becca Tilly and Tanya rad and I

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Speaker 1: Heart Radio and two time People's Choice Award winning podcast

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Speaker 1: I Love Everybody, a weird scarrubbing in Hi Everybody, Tanya

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Speaker 1: and Mark Easton, I mean happy Folklore Monday. I was

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Speaker 1: gonna say, I don't know how to jump into it,

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Speaker 1: but first things first, Taylor Swift surprised us, blessed us,

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Speaker 1: gifted us with a brand new album, Folklore. It's so

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Speaker 1: crazy because I honestly like I feel like all through quarantine,

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Speaker 1: a dark moment and then she announced that she was

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Speaker 1: gonna be dropping an album and it was just like

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Speaker 1: God answers our prayers in the most unique ways because

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Speaker 1: I needed it, Like it gave me this jolt of

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Speaker 1: Like that whole day, I was zooming. I've been zooming

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Speaker 1: I forgot that we're in a pandemic. I have this

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Speaker 1: renewed sense of joy. Know all I needed was just

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Speaker 1: sixteen new tailor songs, who knew who knew, and like

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Speaker 1: no time to prepare either, which was amazing. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Thursday was a long day waiting till nine o'clock. But

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Speaker 1: I like you, I I usually enjoy her Easter eggs

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Speaker 1: like what the album is gonna be called and the

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Speaker 1: didn't get any of that. I was fine with not

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Speaker 1: having any of that. I there's she said, there's still

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Speaker 1: Easter eggs in the song. I don't think I didn't

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Speaker 1: recognize because I read all the lyrics. She capitalized West

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Speaker 1: in one of the songs, you know, like Kanye West. Um. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So first, before we get to folklore in the songs,

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Speaker 1: because I know we're all going to talk about our

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Speaker 1: favorites and whatnot, we need to talk about your You

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Speaker 1: went through and named your favorites from each album. This

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Speaker 1: the album came out, and there were a few questionable choices.

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Speaker 1: So I'd like to go through them again and rehash,

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Speaker 1: and just because I looked at them, I couldn't even

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Speaker 1: Dnny and Nazzy thing. It's like, well, how did you

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Speaker 1: not vote? You just either say this one's your favorite

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Speaker 1: or it's not. I was just too upset to even

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Speaker 1: participate with all of them. I needed to rehash I

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Speaker 1: in my defense, there are fifteen plus songs on each album.

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Speaker 1: So the fact that over fifty of people voted that

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Speaker 1: their favorite song was also my favorite song was good

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Speaker 1: odds in my opinion, aside from one, it's not bad.

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Speaker 1: But let's just go through them. Yeah, okay, so, um,

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Speaker 1: album number one should have said no, what are some

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Speaker 1: to see who what you're like fighting against? Yeah, because

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Speaker 1: I feel like should have said no, Um, I was

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Speaker 1: like a landslide time. Should have said no, wow, that

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Speaker 1: was Mary's song Oh Yeah, No, that's something not the

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Speaker 1: Album number two was white Horse. Was that from Fearless

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Speaker 1: from Fearless? Correct? Okay, so Fearless has Fearless fifteen Love Story,

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Speaker 1: Love Stories one of my favorite songs of all times

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Speaker 1: favorite song from the album Red is State of Grace. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So I love Stay to Grace. I love all her songs,

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Speaker 1: State of Grace, but All Too Well might be her

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Speaker 1: So moving into folklore, very different, almost kind of like

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Speaker 1: I Before we got started, I said, there's literally not

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Speaker 1: looking for. When I'm going to Taylor, I love hooks.

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Speaker 1: all the tea on the album. I could care less.

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Speaker 1: I just want great hooks and great songs. There are

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Speaker 1: Friends and we all know tam So Phoebe like talks

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Speaker 1: so they were saying that Betty is Taylor's version of that. Okay, wow, yeah,

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Speaker 1: To Sorry, because you don't like the album doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: just because you're limited in three, mark you can give

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Speaker 1: go through. I'm trying to think of things that I

425
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 1: can do safely, Like, um, I'm doing a lot of picnics,

426
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 1: distant ones where like I'm actually like, you know, six

427
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:34,639
Speaker 1: ft away because there are so many friends that I

428
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:38,680
Speaker 1: haven't seen in months, and I'm this isn't going away

429
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 1: anytime soon for us in Los Angeles. So I've been

430
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 1: kind of, you know, trying to plan like distant picnics

431
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 1: with people. Yeah, I mean, there's it's just like kind

432
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,880
Speaker 1: of talking to her. For me, it's been like talking

433
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,919
Speaker 1: to my friends seeing if they've been quarantine being safe.

434
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 1: And then you know, our friend Taylor came over the

435
00:24:58,000 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 1: other day for the listening party because she's a huge fan.

436
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,160
Speaker 1: It was just so great to see her, Like I

437
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 1: just felt so happy, like getting to have that normalcy

438
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:09,439
Speaker 1: of seeing like people I normally see, um, not Taylor Swift,

439
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 1: Taylor Bank. I was like, why are you laughing? I

440
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,400
Speaker 1: don't know, because it made me think of on Thursday

441
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,440
Speaker 1: night or whenever the album came out. Thursday night, read

442
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 1: Star FaceTime me and so we were like talking on

443
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 1: you know, FaceTime or whatever, and that was when the

444
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,879
Speaker 1: album had already come out. So my text messages were,

445
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 1: as Mark mentioned, are you know, the thing was just

446
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:31,199
Speaker 1: going off off off, and so I kept pausing the

447
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 1: FaceTime to like read everything, and he goes, let's just

448
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 1: hang up. He goes, go have fun with your friends

449
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 1: and I'll talk to you tomorrow. And that's exactly what

450
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:40,639
Speaker 1: I felt like. It was like, I felt like I

451
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 1: was just having fun with my friends, enjoying this album

452
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 1: and like all virtually though it was kind of sad.

453
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 1: I wish I could have done it in a group setting.

454
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 1: I know, UM, our guests are here, so we're gonna

455
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 1: we're gonna take a break, but I'm really excited to

456
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,399
Speaker 1: talk to them. We're switching gears pretty drastically of what

457
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 1: we're going to talk talk about today. UM, we have

458
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:07,679
Speaker 1: kind of UM, I've seen a lot of conversations about

459
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:11,400
Speaker 1: human trafficking and human Trafficking Day is coming up, right,

460
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:14,959
Speaker 1: and so I know a lot of people have been

461
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 1: wanting wondering why we're not talking about her, you know,

462
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 1: why we're not saying anything, And so I wanted, um,

463
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 1: we wanted to bring in people who are actually doing

464
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 1: some work on this and incorporating it into their art

465
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,159
Speaker 1: and their creat creativity of what they're creating and what

466
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 1: they're doing about it. Um. So, we have sisters Vanessa

467
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,159
Speaker 1: and Laura Morano on today and I'm really excited to

468
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 1: talk to them. Um. So we will be right back

469
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:57,879
Speaker 1: to chat. All right, So we are back with the

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Speaker 1: Murano sisters, Vanessa and Laura. Welcome to SCRED. What's up? Hey,

471
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,160
Speaker 1: I know I asked you before we started the interview,

472
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 1: but you've you you're a tailor fan. Oh my god, yes, huge, huge.

473
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 1: I to the point when she I mean like everyone,

474
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 1: but to the point when she announced the album that

475
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 1: whole day, I didn't do any work, Like I literally

476
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 1: was just like, oh my god, what is this met?

477
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:34,440
Speaker 1: And this means on the phone when that that got announced,

478
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 1: because I feel like they had a meeting. We're faced,

479
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,400
Speaker 1: We're doing a meeting is that doing? We were doing

480
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:44,159
Speaker 1: a meeting for for the book, and like, um, and

481
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 1: the script changes, and we were like I started it.

482
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:48,880
Speaker 1: First of all, I came LA to the meeting. Then

483
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,640
Speaker 1: I like, not that late, like three minutes. But then

484
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 1: I like, hey, Ben, there's it's weird with Zoom when

485
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 1: you're late, um, because I'm always late. UM. But I

486
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 1: like star heard of being like I really can't concentrate

487
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: because I'm just so excited for tailors. And it was

488
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 1: a notes meeting, by the way, for a book that

489
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 1: we've opted and we're developing a script right now. So

490
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,119
Speaker 1: we were like literally going through notes and Laura was

491
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 1: like hold on every bottle, like I just feel like

492
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: we need to talk about this. I think we need

493
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 1: to talk about this right now. I know. Honestly, I

494
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: felt the same way, like I could not concentrate that

495
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 1: whole day. I didn't have to do with myself until

496
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 1: it came out. I was sitting here just listening to

497
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: old albums, like posting on Instagram about her old songs

498
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 1: and like making people voke because I was just so excited,

499
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 1: you know, to do with myself. I feel that yeah, yeah,

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00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: I know, but I mean you you said you just

501
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: tweeted something and you ye validation. Yes, I tweeted a

502
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 1: lyric from If I'm Dead to you, why are You

503
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 1: out the Wake? And I then like was doing other

504
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 1: things kind of on social media and I posted a

505
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 1: photo on Instagram and all of a sudden I had

506
00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 1: a bunch of fans being like, to you, what I

507
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 1: to your tweet? Did you see the tail like my tweet?

508
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 1: Your tweet? I was like, what what? And so that

509
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 1: I went into Taylor Swoop's likes and she likes my tweet.

510
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 1: And now I've now not been able to do any

511
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 1: more work today. That was a badge of honor that

512
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: is personally responsible for production company not getting anything done

513
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 1: right exactly in the best way possible. Okay, wait, before

514
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: we move on, I do want to know your top

515
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 1: three off the album and you have to rank them one, two,

516
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 1: and three. Ah that's me. That's just like the thing

517
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: to do. I know, but we all did it. So

518
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 1: um it's changing and like living with it every every day. UM,

519
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 1: we understand. I would say three would be my Tears

520
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 1: wor Touchet, two would be Exile and one. I feel

521
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 1: like this is a basic and service. I know it's

522
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 1: like the single Things video, but one is hard again.

523
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with Cardigan. I literally like get chills every

524
00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 1: time the first chorus comes in. She knew You, they say.

525
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 1: When you're young, they assume you know nothing, but she

526
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 1: knew you. Yeah, that's so good, but so vanessas like

527
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 1: dying laughing at us not nerves. Have you not listened

528
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 1: at all? Guys? There's so much Real Housewives to be watching.

529
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 1: That makes me feel better. Everybody has their thing, you know,

530
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 1: about to come back. I got to my focus. I

531
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 1: gotta keep my energy they're doing at home, confessionals, I'm

532
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 1: dealing with that right now. It's okay, you got a

533
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 1: lot on her plane distractions world. I respect it, honestly

534
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: do UM. So, I know we're we are very much

535
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 1: gonna switch gears right now and talk about kind of

536
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,959
Speaker 1: the work that y'all are doing. But um, y'all are

537
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 1: so you kind of immerse yourself in the education and

538
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 1: the um familiarizing yourself with human trafficking and what's going

539
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 1: on in our world and in that industry that is

540
00:30:56,080 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 1: so rampant and should be talked about so much more

541
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 1: than it is. And I was telling you. Even our

542
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 1: listeners have been like, why aren't you speaking out about it?

543
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: Why aren't you talking about it? And it's one of

544
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 1: those things, just like everything else we've been um processing

545
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 1: during this pandemic. It's like if you don't feel educated enough,

546
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: you don't want to say anything wrong, so then you

547
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 1: just stay quiet, which is also a problem too. And

548
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: it's like I see, It's like you see it exists,

549
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 1: and you're watching these things, but I feel like I

550
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 1: don't know anything to speak on, you know what I mean.

551
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,959
Speaker 1: It's almost like I'd consume the stuff that everybody's watching,

552
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: but I'm not really asking the right questions or digging

553
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 1: for them. You Know what's interesting is UH part of

554
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: the reason why we wanted to do this UH panel

555
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 1: for a World Day against Trafficking and putting it just

556
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 1: on our instagrams and just putting it out there directly

557
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 1: to anybody who follows us is because we really wanted

558
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:54,959
Speaker 1: to have a conversation with survivors who are also advocates, because,

559
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 1: just like you said, it's so hard to bring awareness

560
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: to a topic when you don't have personal experience with it,

561
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 1: even though you know it's a rampant issue, and you

562
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: know that it's happening, and you want it to stop

563
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 1: and you want to do something about it. And really

564
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: the point of us having this conversation was to have

565
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 1: a survivor informed conversation, to have a conversation that comes

566
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 1: from personal experience, that comes from a place of this

567
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 1: is what I went through. Here are some of the signs.

568
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 1: Here's what we can do about it. Here are some

569
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 1: policies that we should be supporting. Here's what we should

570
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 1: be watching out for. Here's how you talk about it

571
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: with someone who experienced it, Here's how you raise awareness.

572
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 1: And and that was a big reason why Laura and

573
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 1: I wanted to do this, was a if anybody has

574
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 1: a personal connection to sexual exploitation in any way, to

575
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: a know that you're not alone and be if you

576
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 1: haven't had any experience with it, to have a medium

577
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: out there that is educating from a survivor perspective. Yeah,

578
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,719
Speaker 1: and I really appreciate you guys with the transparency, because

579
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: I do think a lot of people feel really uncomfortable

580
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: about the topic. UM. I know when the Nest and

581
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: I were out promoting Saving Zoe last year, UM, it

582
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: was very weird timing. UM. Weirdly relevant because Jeffrey had

583
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: just gotten arrested, and even with that being so mainstream

584
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 1: UM and people kind of figuring out and finding out

585
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: all these kind of different things. UM, it was like

586
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 1: it was really hard for us to get pressed to

587
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 1: talk about online sexual exploitation and sex trafficking was I

588
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 1: think mixed with people feeling uncontrolled about the topic and

589
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 1: the tone of the conversation with potentially something a little

590
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: bit more sinister, because at the end of the day,

591
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: it is like a crazy, uh thriving business. It's billion

592
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: dollars UM worldwide each year, so that each year, each

593
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: year billion dollars is the estimate of profits made from

594
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:59,479
Speaker 1: commercial sexual exploitation. That number is given to us by

595
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: the U S. And we tend to think of trafficking

596
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 1: as like a foreign thing, but at the end of

597
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: the day, another fact is that the US is one

598
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: of the top places that it happens. And I think

599
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 1: another reason that feeds into this, like us feeling like

600
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 1: we're not educated enough to speak on it or or

601
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 1: or address the issue, is this idea of like when

602
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: it is portrayed, it's always portrayed in that like sort

603
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 1: of taken you know, the movie taken like you know,

604
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:31,319
Speaker 1: other country kidnapped the whole thing, and it's far more

605
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,919
Speaker 1: insidious than that. Um And that's something we really get

606
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: into with the panel is a something called the grooming process,

607
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: which is how traffickers and predators uh basically either threatened

608
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: their victims or give their victims affection. I think we also,

609
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 1: you know, think about the Me Too movement did a

610
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 1: great job, I think of redefining what rapists and at

611
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 1: the end of the y, if you're not consenting or

612
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,439
Speaker 1: if there's a position of power that because you feel

613
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: like you're forced to do something that is not consent.

614
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 1: And that's something we talk about in the panel is

615
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: you know, so many people who have survived or unfortunately

616
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,399
Speaker 1: haven't survived the situation or maybe in a position where

617
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 1: it was like Okay, well i'll give you food, I'll

618
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: give you shelter, I'll give you a praise and affection

619
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 1: in a place to feel like you have some love

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00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,280
Speaker 1: in your life. And and these are tools that predators

621
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 1: and traffickers use two, like they say, groom the victims

622
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 1: and ultimately get you under their control. And because it's

623
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:39,879
Speaker 1: so insidious, it's it's very difficult to to talk about

624
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 1: the issue in the different facets of it, because I

625
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,760
Speaker 1: think it's so easy that people go into a situation

626
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: where they go, oh, well, that person is clearly choosing

627
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 1: to do this, and that's not necessarily true. I think

628
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,320
Speaker 1: we're so privileged in our lives if we have choices.

629
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 1: I think that's something we're having a big conversation right

630
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 1: now nationally is about privileges and which is that we

631
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: weren't aware of? And again moving forward with why Laura

632
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 1: and I felt it was very important to have a

633
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: survivor informed conversation was we haven't experienced this issue personally,

634
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:15,240
Speaker 1: but through making Savings though, we've met amazing survivors along

635
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: the way who shared their story with us so graciously,

636
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: uh informed the editing process of our film and really

637
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 1: educated us and broad awareness. And so we're like, Okay, well,

638
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 1: all we can do in this moment use the tools

639
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 1: at your disposal, and we can spread awareness, and we

640
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 1: can give a platform uh that we have to people

641
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 1: who know better than us. I So I watched Saving Zoe,

642
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 1: and I was so taken aback because of the fact

643
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:48,240
Speaker 1: of how I've always thought about trafficking being a foreign

644
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,800
Speaker 1: concept and like you said and taken it's like careful

645
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 1: going to foreign countries. But that was that was such

646
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 1: a eye opening realization of how it's happening to people

647
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: simply going over to someone's house who's like an older

648
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:07,399
Speaker 1: cooler I'm putting quotes up guy who is running this

649
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 1: like underground business. That's part of the process. And so

650
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 1: UM I also watched this video and it was kind

651
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 1: of talking about pornography and how people you know, it's

652
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,800
Speaker 1: always it's always in my head been like a moral

653
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 1: thing of like watching pornography, and its kind of being like, well,

654
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 1: it's none of my business. What people do, you know,

655
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 1: if they want to watch it, and that's what they

656
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 1: want to do. But the the the um connection with

657
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 1: the human trafficking and the pornography and what's being merged

658
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: together is shocking and so scary for everyone who's like

659
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 1: participating in that, not from like a moral standpoint, but

660
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 1: from a point of saying, like, I don't know if

661
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 1: these girls are there because they're choosing to be And

662
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 1: not only that, not only that, to say something really quick, UM,

663
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 1: a lot of the people might be underaged. So the

664
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:09,839
Speaker 1: one of our survivors UM got started getting trafficked um,

665
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 1: she calls it. She got in the life UM when

666
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 1: she was twelve years old, and she got arrested when

667
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 1: she was thirteen, and she looked older, and so both

668
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 1: online and on the streets, there was this assumption that

669
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 1: she was older, and so some for whatever reason, because

670
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 1: it's older, it's okay, which, by the way, that's completely wrong,

671
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:39,439
Speaker 1: but the idea is well, with online stuff and with

672
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:43,359
Speaker 1: born you actually don't know some of the ages of

673
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,839
Speaker 1: the girls or of the people in the videos, and

674
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: so that's actually a really huge thing of it's shocking

675
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:54,760
Speaker 1: and disturbing how um, how some of them are underaged

676
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 1: well and if they're not under age too, I mean

677
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 1: one of the survivors we spoke with UM she went

678
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 1: and great job interview and the man interviewing her raped her.

679
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 1: And it wasn't until ten years later she discovered that

680
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: video was being sold online as porn, but people could

681
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:16,720
Speaker 1: watch it or click on it for free with ads

682
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: or whatever. It was not something she consented to. It

683
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 1: was not an act that she consented to, and she

684
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 1: was in her forties by the time she realized that

685
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 1: it was up there. And it is this interesting thing.

686
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:32,359
Speaker 1: I think we we have this idea about like if

687
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: if I don't see it, it's not there and and

688
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 1: that's not the but I think it is just how

689
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:41,439
Speaker 1: we process things. And uh, you know, when you dive

690
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 1: into sexual exploitation and all of its forms, there's a

691
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 1: heavy debate on all sides of the spectrum about like

692
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,959
Speaker 1: I said, choice, But when we're getting into these situations

693
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 1: with children, with people who are are are believed to

694
00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: be consenting because of circumstances that are on their control,

695
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: we have out how do we protect the majority of

696
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: people who are actually being exploited in these situations. That's

697
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 1: what I was actually gonna ask you. Guys. So you're

698
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 1: doing this panel on World Against Trafficking Day and you're

699
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: doing all this work, what's your biggest goal for you know,

700
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 1: doing this work for people, Like for people that want

701
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 1: to tune in, what do you want to teach them? Like?

702
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: What should people know? I think number one, it's spreading

703
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 1: awareness again kind of this idea of like, in a

704
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 1: weird way, the topic is becoming more mainstream because of

705
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein and Epstein's the series about him on Netflix. Um,

706
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: but just kind of continuing this education and awareness and

707
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:44,439
Speaker 1: having it be survivor informed and survivor lead, I think

708
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: is really really important. And we talk about certain policies,

709
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,959
Speaker 1: certain laws, certain things that people can maybe get behind

710
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 1: and learn about. Um. You know, Melanie Thompson and Christian

711
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 1: Adwardo are the two survivor advocates that we are talking to,

712
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: and I think it's so important to hear their voice here,

713
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 1: their story from their first hand experience of what the

714
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:14,240
Speaker 1: grooming processes, what's the you know, emotional journey of a survivor,

715
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 1: What is happening online? Um, you know, who's getting affected?

716
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 1: How are traffickers getting people using? They use barriers, they

717
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 1: use vulnerabilities, you know who mark who's getting affected? On

718
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 1: a majority, it's marginalized communities. And are we not talking

719
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: about it? Because as society we're not caring about these

720
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 1: marginalized community So I think there's a whole wide range

721
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:41,760
Speaker 1: of topics that we cover and we're hoping that people

722
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: are going to keep talking about and keep covering in

723
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 1: their own life and keep becoming aware and keep educating themselves.

724
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 1: But I think that was our number one goal with this.

725
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 1: And I think the other thing for us is, you know,

726
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 1: we're we're living in a very polarizing time right now.

727
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: We're living in a very politically divisive time right now,

728
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 1: and Laura and I felt very compelled to again have

729
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 1: a conversation because I don't think we have conversations as

730
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 1: much anymore. We scream at each other type in all

731
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 1: caps over the internet. And like I said, we haven't

732
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: experienced this issue. Uh, these advocates and survivors, unfortunately have,

733
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:26,240
Speaker 1: and they're using their voice to try and change things.

734
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 1: They're using their voice to make a difference. They're using

735
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 1: their voice to protect us, to protect anyone who may

736
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: potentially be vulnerable, and to honor the fact that they're

737
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 1: willing to speak out. That's that's so huge. I was

738
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: going to say, because I feel like a lot of

739
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 1: these survivors and people, I think the number one thing

740
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 1: when people are watching these is how do they not

741
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 1: speak up? How do they you know, when they do

742
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 1: survive this, why are they not sharing their story? But

743
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 1: it's like it's Milt, Milt. It's met with so much

744
00:42:56,480 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 1: shame and guilt and people kind of aren't accepting of it.

745
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 1: And so I understand why a lot of survivors aren't

746
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 1: speaking up or sharing the fact that there are there's

747
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 1: also personal It's so perfect where it's like, you know,

748
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 1: it takes a lot to be an advocate for anything anything,

749
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,399
Speaker 1: So when you've gone through something that no human beings

750
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 1: should ever go through, you know, for us to expect that,

751
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 1: it's just so easy to ye because I know somebody

752
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:32,240
Speaker 1: very well who has experienced rape and she will never

753
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 1: ever ever talk about it publicly, never ever want to

754
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: like kind of almost wants to forget that that ever happened.

755
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 1: And you know, it's like you have to just respect

756
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: everybody's choice and what they want to do, but you know,

757
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:48,479
Speaker 1: it's very traumatized. One of the most powerful parts of

758
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 1: this panel is both of both Melanie and both Christiane

759
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 1: literally say, this isn't easy for us to talk about

760
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,800
Speaker 1: this is this is it's not like we want to

761
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:02,720
Speaker 1: talk about this. It's not like, but we are doing

762
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 1: this for other people. We are doing this to bring awareness,

763
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,280
Speaker 1: to educate. And I thought that was such a really

764
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: beautiful and powerful part. We kind of we really dive

765
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 1: into the emotional journey and emotional you know, challenges that

766
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 1: come with being a survivor and it's just for Vanessa

767
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 1: and I was like, we were already so grateful of

768
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 1: the conversation, but that, you know, made us feel like

769
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 1: even more grateful and even more appreciative of This is

770
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 1: not easy for them, This will never be easy for them.

771
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 1: But they are doing this to help to spread awareness,

772
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 1: and the least we can do is listen. And they're

773
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:45,479
Speaker 1: also getting behind a lot of policies and laws which

774
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 1: they we dive into in in the conversation, which I

775
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 1: think is super important too, because eventually conversation needs to

776
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 1: lead to actual change, and change is through legislation. Uh,

777
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 1: and reimagining things too. You know, we're having a whole

778
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 1: conversation about reimagining law enforcement right now, reimagining policies, reimagining laws,

779
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 1: and and again we have to start with actually talking

780
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 1: about it, not screaming at each other about it. Let's

781
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 1: have a conversation, and even if your opinion differs from

782
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 1: my opinion, well, let's listen to those who are directly

783
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 1: affected by it, because the people who are directly affected

784
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 1: by it have something important to say. Yeah. No, I

785
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: love that y'all are doing this, and it's such a

786
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:32,359
Speaker 1: start for people who, like I think both of us,

787
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: have felt like, where do we begin to even educate

788
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 1: or learn. And I think y'all giving these these survivors

789
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 1: a platform to use their voice and leading the conversation

790
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 1: with them is such an It's going to be so impactful.

791
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 1: I know. For me, like I'm I'm gonna watch as

792
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:51,879
Speaker 1: soon as it goes up because it's something I want

793
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 1: to know more about and feel more confident speaking on.

794
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:58,320
Speaker 1: And it's like, you make such a good point about, uh,

795
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 1: the importance of legislation with all of this, because I think,

796
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 1: I mean, I can't even speak firsthand. When I like

797
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 1: voted for the first time, I just want I didn't

798
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:08,359
Speaker 1: know anything about any policies. I was just like I'm

799
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 1: stuck Barack Obama, I'm gonna go vote, and like I

800
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 1: just voted for the president and like I was on

801
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: my way, you know what I mean, Because I was like,

802
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 1: I don't want to know all this other stuff. It's

803
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 1: just like a lot, you know what I mean. And

804
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 1: I just wasn't. I wasn't as informed, I wasn't as knowledgeable,

805
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 1: and I didn't I almost felt like I didn't know. Well,

806
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 1: you know what's interesting is they don't make voting easy,

807
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 1: so you know, everybody knows he's running for president, right, judges,

808
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 1: It's very hard to find information on the judges you're

809
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: voting for. Uh. You know, everyone gets into I live

810
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 1: in a blue state, I live in a red state.

811
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:47,240
Speaker 1: My vote doesn't count, which I read into that argument.

812
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 1: But let's really realistically get into well your vote counts

813
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 1: in your state when you're voting for mayor who you're

814
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:55,720
Speaker 1: voting for a Treney general the propositions. You're absolutely correct.

815
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 1: I am very passionate about voting, and I'm gonna tell

816
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 1: you it's not easy to look up all the information

817
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 1: to find accurate information that isn't sponsored by groups that

818
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 1: want you to vote a certain way. Even the positions

819
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 1: are worded sometimes are very confusing, And that's something else

820
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 1: we should discuss, because honestly, the voting process is not easy.

821
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 1: They make it very difficult, and there's a reason they

822
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: make it difficult. Yeah, and like now I have to

823
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 1: go in. I have to I literally go in with

824
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:27,439
Speaker 1: like my notes of everything and what I'm like vote,

825
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, just because I don't want

826
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:33,359
Speaker 1: to forget or you know, it's it's intense. Well, I'm

827
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 1: sure you'll talk about sort of resources and places where

828
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 1: people can start searching for how to better educate themselves

829
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 1: and learn. And I think starting with um, what y'all

830
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 1: are putting out there is a great start for everyone

831
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 1: with the panels. So UM, I'm really excited about it.

832
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 1: I'm interested to learn more and hear from these women

833
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 1: who have gone through it and well and and it's

834
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 1: we speak to a mail survivor. That's another huge misconception

835
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 1: about it. And yes, women and girls make up of

836
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:06,439
Speaker 1: uh sexual exploitation victims, I mean six percent our men

837
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 1: or identify as another gender. And we again going into

838
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 1: not talking about things or misconceptions of of who this

839
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 1: can happen to. Uh, we don't talk about it happening

840
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 1: to men. We don't talk about it happening to boys.

841
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:21,840
Speaker 1: We've met a few male survivors along this journey. Again,

842
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:25,760
Speaker 1: when we don't talk about it, that keeps survivors silent.

843
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 1: That makes survivors feel like, well, why would I talk

844
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 1: about it? No one's gonna believe it happened to me,

845
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 1: or why would I talk about it? This makes me

846
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 1: less of X Y and Z x Y my masculinity,

847
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 1: x Y and Z in how the world perceives me

848
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 1: as a man. Uh, there's so many things that I

849
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:46,320
Speaker 1: don't think we realized that we don't talk about something

850
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:51,319
Speaker 1: in society, it stays normalized or not normalized in a

851
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 1: way that is isolating to anyone who has not experienced it,

852
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 1: or anyone who has experienced it in a different way

853
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 1: than is portrayed in the media. Yeah, and Christian not

854
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:05,880
Speaker 1: only is he identifies as a man, but he was

855
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 1: trafficked as a young adult. He was trafficked when he

856
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:12,880
Speaker 1: was twenty four. And I think that's also, again to

857
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 1: more of vanus this point, something we don't talk about.

858
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Speaker 1: We have the kind of perception which is true that

859
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Speaker 1: it happens to children and teens, but it also happens

860
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 1: seeing adults. It also happens to older adults. It also

861
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 1: happens to senior citizens. Like it. It truly can happen

862
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:31,879
Speaker 1: to anyone and everyone, And that's what makes it so

863
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 1: insidious and what's what makes it so dangerous. Yeah wow, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So when you're when is the panel out? When are

865
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Speaker 1: y'all you're doing it? Are you doing are your on

866
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Speaker 1: your Instagram? Lives in TV? Because we we shot it already,

867
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Speaker 1: it actually ended up being very long, which is great

868
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 1: because we covered a lot. So, uh, we broke it

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00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:55,280
Speaker 1: up into four parts. It's gonna be about thirty minutes

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Speaker 1: each part. And the first day we're premiering it is

871
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Speaker 1: on World Day Against Trafficking, which is July thirty, which

872
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 1: is a Thursday. That will be Part one, which is which,

873
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Speaker 1: which is which? And then and then it's gonna on

874
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Speaker 1: The subsequent parts will come out on the subsequent day,

875
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Speaker 1: So Part two on Friday, Part three on Saturday, and

876
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 1: Part four on Sunday. Oh perfect, Well, thank you so

877
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 1: much for not only doing that, but also taking the

878
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 1: time to come on scrubbing in and talk about it

879
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:30,360
Speaker 1: and the importance of just knowing and and educating ourselves

880
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 1: on what's going on so that we can listen and

881
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 1: learn and then speak up. Thank you so much for

882
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 1: having us. We really appreciate it because at the end

883
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 1: of the day, you know, it's it's this type of

884
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 1: media to that's bringing awareness to this work, that's bringing

885
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 1: awareness to the survivor advocates that again is going to

886
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 1: continue spreading the words. So we really appreciate you guys

887
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 1: letting us virtually come on the podcast. Yeah, virtual is

888
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 1: the way right now. Alright, I feel like I haven't

889
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 1: seen you, and so I know it's literally been what

890
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 1: were the last time we would have seen each other,

891
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 1: like years? They feel probably actually that is like three

892
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:12,360
Speaker 1: years or like quarantine years. I think, like really, you

893
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 1: think like real years, because it would have been had

894
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 1: a I heard of it, or maybe not, it might

895
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,880
Speaker 1: have been. I'm trying to think I haven't seen you

896
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:23,919
Speaker 1: in so long. It's actually so long. But I love

897
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:26,840
Speaker 1: you just as equally and miss you a lot. I

898
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:29,400
Speaker 1: love it miss you, and I'm glad I couldn't virtually

899
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 1: see you. I know we're gonna do Corona hug, like

900
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 1: the middle school dance hug. Yeah, I forgot how to

901
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 1: hug people. Um wait, what are y'alls instagrams? You'll put

902
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Speaker 1: them both on your I D t v s, right,

903
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Speaker 1: so you want to share what mine is at Laura

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Speaker 1: Morano l A U r A m A r A

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Speaker 1: N and mine is at Vanessa Moronto v A n

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Speaker 1: E S s A m A r A N. Oh, easy, peasy,

907
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 1: all right, thank you girls so much. Hopefully we'll see

908
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 1: you again when we can all be in the same room,

909
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 1: but until then, you thank you. All right. They're awesome.

910
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 1: They're doing amazing work. I mean that topic, Like they said,

911
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:32,799
Speaker 1: it's something people are so I mean even myself. It's

912
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:40,280
Speaker 1: like so dark and so overwhelmingly horrible that like doing

913
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,879
Speaker 1: the work to educate and learn is it's it's hard.

914
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:45,359
Speaker 1: And then having the conversation with the survivor, I feel

915
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 1: like it would be very hard. I feel like even

916
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:51,759
Speaker 1: just the like that interview that we just did, I

917
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,279
Speaker 1: learned a lot and I'm really excited to watch the

918
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Speaker 1: pany too. Um switching gears again, there's some new merch

919
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 1: just gear shifters. What this episode is just like, um,

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00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 1: we have a new we have new merch items. We

921
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 1: have beach towels and let me tell you they are

922
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:17,840
Speaker 1: so freaking cute. Um. There's a circular round one with

923
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Speaker 1: scrubbing in. There's a Turkish towel. Do you understand that

924
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 1: I use my Turkish towels any time I go on

925
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:27,439
Speaker 1: a picnic, Like that's just the thing. I just throw

926
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:29,719
Speaker 1: my Turkish towels in. Who you are, it's what you love.

927
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:32,840
Speaker 1: Who I am, It's what I love. Um. And also

928
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:35,879
Speaker 1: with every purchase on the merch site, they're throwing in

929
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 1: a scrubbing in dish scrubber. While supplies last so go

930
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Speaker 1: ahead and place your order so you get one of those.

931
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 1: But they say scrubbing in on it is that not

932
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Speaker 1: the cutest thing ever, um, and a portion of the

933
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:48,399
Speaker 1: proceeds will go to no kid Hungry, So head over

934
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Speaker 1: to my fan threads dot com slash scrubbing in today

935
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:56,959
Speaker 1: to get your merch. Um. Did you see the article

936
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 1: talking about how Gray's anatomy Um is gonna tackle rona

937
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 1: virus pandemic? Did I see it? But do you know

938
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:07,400
Speaker 1: what's crazy is that everyone was sending it to me like,

939
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, And in my head, I'm thinking, of

940
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 1: course they are, how could they not? Yeah, I guess

941
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 1: you're right. I guess I just assumed that they would.

942
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 1: But I never realized that Grey's Anatomy brought in actual

943
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 1: like doctors to the writers, brought in actual doctors and

944
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 1: to get their stories. Are you even a fan? I

945
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:34,439
Speaker 1: didn't know that every single crazy like scenario that you're

946
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:37,319
Speaker 1: thinking there's no way that's happened, has happened because they

947
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:39,799
Speaker 1: get these stories from real life. So they've had sinkholes

948
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 1: in Seattle, well they're sinkholes. That's particularly neighborhood seemed to

949
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:48,840
Speaker 1: be pretty unlucky in terms of Yeah, Mike, so you

950
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Speaker 1: think there was a biking cycling situation going on in

951
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 1: Seattle and one of them ran over? Who was it

952
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 1: that was that episode? I don't know, but I know

953
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 1: what you're talking about, And yes, could have been. And

954
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:05,799
Speaker 1: there was really a bomb inside of probably somewhere, That's

955
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:07,840
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. There are stories all come So I

956
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 1: personally was I never even doubted that they would cover

957
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 1: the coronavirus pandemic. See. What I found most interesting in

958
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 1: that article as a Grace fan was the episodes that

959
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:22,319
Speaker 1: are just lost in season sixteen, like we're just not

960
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 1: going to get those four last episodes and those that

961
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 1: last episode I don't love anyone remembers. Wow, they left

962
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 1: us hanging because so they didn't They weren't able to

963
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:35,720
Speaker 1: film those last four. They wrote them, so they're all written,

964
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 1: but they didn't get to film them. And basically the

965
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 1: article said, we're probably not going to ever film them

966
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 1: because we're gonna have to pick up at season seventeen. Right,

967
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:45,280
Speaker 1: I mean, we all had plans and they all got scuttled,

968
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:47,759
Speaker 1: So I get it, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but

969
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:51,400
Speaker 1: wait what I feel like they could film at least

970
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:54,879
Speaker 1: something about the Teddy and Owen thing. I'm sure they'll

971
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 1: continue that, it's just now they have kind of a

972
00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 1: whole new world to different starting filming. They can pick

973
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 1: and choose what they want from those episodes. So the

974
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 1: question Tanya asked on the Morning Show on the question

975
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 1: I enjoy as the topic is do we want this?

976
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 1: Do we want our television to be an escape from

977
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:12,320
Speaker 1: all of this stuff or do we want to reflect

978
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 1: the realities that we're living in. I saw I saw

979
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:18,840
Speaker 1: a lot of people with that response of like I

980
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:22,239
Speaker 1: watched television to escape, But I'm kind of I'm on

981
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 1: that boat, really, see, I'm I'm kind of like Gray's Anatomy,

982
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:29,799
Speaker 1: in my opinion, has always kind of been heartbreak and

983
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 1: real life heartbreak, like things that people go through, just

984
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 1: on an extreme level of sadness and death and love

985
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 1: and heartbreak. So I don't necessarily know that Gray's has

986
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 1: ever been a place I go to for like a

987
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:47,400
Speaker 1: happy escape. And I feel like they've they could tackle

988
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 1: a pandemic even if we weren't currently going through a pandemic,

989
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 1: and it still would feel upsetting. Yeah, I mean, I

990
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 1: think I'm okay with Gray's doing it just because it

991
00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 1: is a medical show and this is like a medical virus.

992
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:02,360
Speaker 1: So I do, I do. I'm okay with it this way,

993
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 1: but in terms of my regular scheduled programming, I don't

994
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:07,839
Speaker 1: know what's gonna want them. Just like I don't want

995
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:11,520
Speaker 1: to keep hearing about it. I'm like, I'm I'm fatigued

996
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:13,719
Speaker 1: from it. I don't want Hey, yeah, if Friends was

997
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:15,800
Speaker 1: still airing and they all showed up to the coffee

998
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 1: shop with mask on, and I don't want to see it. Yeah,

999
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 1: but that's reality. I feel like any show that's set

1000
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:26,920
Speaker 1: now has to address it some way, like Blackish, that

1001
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 1: family at least have to talk about what it was

1002
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 1: like to go through it, flashback to summertime when they

1003
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 1: were all together in the house or whatever. If Modern

1004
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 1: Family was still happening, they would have to do something

1005
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:38,440
Speaker 1: about it. I feel like it's weird to ignore it otherwise.

1006
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I hope that I hope that Grayson had

1007
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:45,040
Speaker 1: Me tackles everything. I hope they tackled the pandemic racial injustice.

1008
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I hope that they kind of hit all

1009
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 1: all elements, because that's what Shaunda Rhymes has always done

1010
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 1: that in a really, I feel like beautiful and responsible way.

1011
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:57,959
Speaker 1: So I'm just excited that they're talking about it coming

1012
00:57:58,000 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 1: back right now. Let me tell you're not gonna be

1013
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 1: happy but out when they're saying it's going to come

1014
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 1: back January, m what and now it's escaping me the

1015
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 1: actual days. It wasn't anytime soon. No, they said they're

1016
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 1: going to probably start writing or like something. I feel

1017
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Speaker 1: like it was like, may, here's the thing, here's the thing,

1018
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 1: here's what I think. And you know, if you're a filmmaker,

1019
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 1: TV producer, director, correcting if I'm wrong, why can't they

1020
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 1: get the smallest amount of people in there possible? No

1021
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 1: extra is nothing and film these scenes like you know,

1022
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 1: I mean there's a lot come on handheld digital camera?

1023
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 1: You mean you can't what if they made it kind

1024
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 1: of like docuseries type, But that's not wrote a whole album.

1025
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:57,640
Speaker 1: They can write episodes and film them. It's different. They

1026
00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:00,120
Speaker 1: haven't written anything yet because they can be writing, so

1027
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 1: they're ready to hit the ground running whenever they get

1028
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 1: the opportunity to. I agree. I think I hope they

1029
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 1: can figure out a way to do it. It's just

1030
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 1: when you think about it, like think about it, when

1031
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 1: you're on a set, there's people that are there to

1032
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:15,040
Speaker 1: do their hair and their makeup, and they're gonna do

1033
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 1: their hair and makeup. They're all medical people like that.

1034
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:22,680
Speaker 1: That's right, Okay. That aside, there's one cameraman, there's a

1035
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 1: lighting person, there's a sound person on multiple cameras, so

1036
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 1: that's like twelve. We don't need multiple. They can shoot

1037
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 1: with one on camera. They dote, okay, and then we

1038
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:35,520
Speaker 1: have the actual people that are in the scene. So

1039
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 1: maybe maybe we do like two people at a time,

1040
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:40,960
Speaker 1: scenes with two people, yeah, and quarantine them in a

1041
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 1: hotel for fourteen days before you start shooting. Bachelor shooting

1042
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 1: right now. Bachelor is shooting right now, I know. And

1043
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:50,920
Speaker 1: I gotta say, if Bachelor comes out and they're like

1044
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:55,520
Speaker 1: six ft apart and stuff, it's going to really because

1045
00:59:55,520 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 1: they quarantine for that reason, I hope. So all I'm saying,

1046
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 1: I'm happy to see grays is even talking about coming back.

1047
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 1: That makes me feel good. But I think they can

1048
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:08,240
Speaker 1: push it up a little bit if they need to.

1049
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 1: It's just my opinion. I don't know, man. This this

1050
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 1: Google situation is Google News really threw me for a

1051
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 1: loop this morning. It really threw me, and I always

1052
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 1: got to mark for things just because I don't know.

1053
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 1: I don't know. You've become my like center for just

1054
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 1: rational thinking. Happy to be there, huh. And so I'm thinking, like,

1055
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:28,560
Speaker 1: when are we going to be back in the studio,

1056
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 1: And I said, I don't think July of twenty one

1057
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:34,160
Speaker 1: is out of the realm of possibility. I don't think

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01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:36,959
Speaker 1: we're going back in. So then when in twenty one

1059
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:42,280
Speaker 1: is it deems safe July? That is a year from now,

1060
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:48,400
Speaker 1: if you're able to do the job from home, they're

1061
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:51,520
Speaker 1: going to be as safe as possible. Yes, and we are,

1062
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 1: and we're doing a very good show. In my opinion,

1063
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 1: I think we're doing our regular show. We're not doing

1064
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:58,200
Speaker 1: a watered down home version of the show like some

1065
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 1: shows are. And some shows are really aching to get

1066
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 1: back because they're not doing the show they want to

1067
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:03,960
Speaker 1: be doing. This is our show, We're doing it. So

1068
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:05,760
Speaker 1: I'm happy to stay home as long as they need

1069
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:11,120
Speaker 1: this too. I mean, nothing's different for me the same.

1070
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:14,760
Speaker 1: In fact, I honestly it's helped me a ton just

1071
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 1: having you here, like having you in in arms reach,

1072
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:23,320
Speaker 1: has really helped me in mental ways. Great, I'm happy

1073
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:27,880
Speaker 1: to help you mental ways. Thank you. Um, okay, so

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01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:31,120
Speaker 1: shall we get to emails? Sure? This is from anonymous.

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01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:33,160
Speaker 1: I'm twenty three. I just graduated in May with my

1076
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 1: master's degree in education. I landed my dream teaching position

1077
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:39,440
Speaker 1: with starts in September. For many reasons, I've lived with

1078
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:42,160
Speaker 1: my grandparents most of my life. When COVID nineteen hit,

1079
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:44,640
Speaker 1: my older brother lost his job and also moved in.

1080
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:47,960
Speaker 1: We have a very tense relationship. He's lazy, Ruden has

1081
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:50,360
Speaker 1: alcoholic tendencies. This is a big trigger for me, as

1082
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:51,920
Speaker 1: we have a family history, and I choose not to

1083
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:54,160
Speaker 1: drink at all. For the two months he's been home,

1084
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:56,640
Speaker 1: I've been unhappy and in a constant state of unrest.

1085
01:01:57,080 --> 01:01:59,080
Speaker 1: Knowing I'll be starting a full time position that will

1086
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:01,320
Speaker 1: likely require me to work from home part time until

1087
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 1: further notice, I started looking at apartments in the nearby town.

1088
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:06,760
Speaker 1: While I'll probably wait until the end of the year

1089
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:09,200
Speaker 1: to move my family all thinks I'm being irresponsible. I

1090
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:11,480
Speaker 1: should stay where I'm at and save money. Cost of

1091
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:13,480
Speaker 1: living is high in my state, and I know it's

1092
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 1: going to be a financial burden, especially with my student loans.

1093
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:18,240
Speaker 1: But I can't shake the feeling that I need my

1094
01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 1: independence for the sake of my mental health. It is

1095
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:23,200
Speaker 1: hard to explain to my family how I'm feeling without

1096
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 1: hurting feelings or causing conflict. I'm yearning from my own

1097
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 1: space to do as I please without disruption or constant judgment.

1098
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:32,720
Speaker 1: I would live any insider advice you may have. This

1099
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:37,120
Speaker 1: one's easy for me, But go ahead. I know I

1100
01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:41,360
Speaker 1: was gonna ask because both you and Eastern choose not

1101
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:43,640
Speaker 1: to drink, and I was wondering if that at all

1102
01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 1: would be a trigger for you, Like just having that

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01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:51,280
Speaker 1: someone in that position around seven, if that would weigh

1104
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:54,120
Speaker 1: down on you. Um, I don't know if that would

1105
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:56,640
Speaker 1: bother me or not. I also have family history with it,

1106
01:02:56,680 --> 01:02:58,880
Speaker 1: and that's another factor. But um, I don't know that

1107
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:01,120
Speaker 1: that would really bug me. But I think in her situation,

1108
01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:05,200
Speaker 1: when it's an older brother, there's probably elements of verbal

1109
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:10,080
Speaker 1: who knows, harassment. He's probably fairly belligerent, he's probably very

1110
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:12,560
Speaker 1: unfun to be around. And the older brother little sister

1111
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:16,640
Speaker 1: dynamic is kind of fraught with a bully relationship sometimes anyway,

1112
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:19,200
Speaker 1: So I mean, I understand why she doesn't want to

1113
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:22,400
Speaker 1: be around that. Yeah, my first reaction was because she's

1114
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:26,200
Speaker 1: saying it's a financial burden to move out, is maybe

1115
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:28,400
Speaker 1: if she has some other family in the area or

1116
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:31,200
Speaker 1: like a close friend that she can maybe do a

1117
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:33,800
Speaker 1: like one bedroom with, then you know what I mean,

1118
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:36,280
Speaker 1: so it's not as much of a financial burden. I

1119
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:40,920
Speaker 1: think she could find a roommate situation and pay you know,

1120
01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:44,400
Speaker 1: half rent with someone else and it be have her

1121
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:47,160
Speaker 1: independence away from her family without being totally alone. She

1122
01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:49,120
Speaker 1: don't have to be totally alone, but just get out

1123
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Speaker 1: of the HINTS environment. That's I mean, when it's causing

1124
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:55,920
Speaker 1: a strain on your mental health, that to me is

1125
01:03:55,960 --> 01:04:01,560
Speaker 1: assigned to change things. And I learned that UM when

1126
01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:06,800
Speaker 1: you have anyone close to you with UM an addictive past,

1127
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:10,600
Speaker 1: A lot of times we like people who have those

1128
01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:13,840
Speaker 1: people in their lives. There's this responsibility to take care

1129
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:16,680
Speaker 1: of their feelings and worry about what they say and

1130
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:20,919
Speaker 1: taking care of their UM, like almost feeling responsible for them.

1131
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:23,360
Speaker 1: And that's not your job. Your job is to take

1132
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:25,600
Speaker 1: care of yourself. And once you're able to take care

1133
01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:27,640
Speaker 1: of yourself, you can then you know, take care of

1134
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:31,880
Speaker 1: your people. But I feel like you are You're reached

1135
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:35,439
Speaker 1: a place where it's time for you to seek independence

1136
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:41,640
Speaker 1: into your own thing. Yeah, all that's good. Get out. However,

1137
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:43,640
Speaker 1: you've got to get out, get out. Figure it. You'll

1138
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:46,280
Speaker 1: figure it out. You'll figure out, you know, jump off

1139
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:48,240
Speaker 1: the cliff and build your wings on the way down.

1140
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:50,680
Speaker 1: That whole thing. You'll figure it out. You'll find a

1141
01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:52,920
Speaker 1: way to get by, whether it's a roommate or whatever.

1142
01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:54,160
Speaker 1: But you've got to get out of that situation. It

1143
01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:57,640
Speaker 1: was never like a question in my mind, like staying there. Yeah,

1144
01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:01,800
Speaker 1: the answer is get out, get as Arnold Schwarzenegger said,

1145
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:07,960
Speaker 1: gets out. Ah, this is from Beck's that's cute that

1146
01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:11,960
Speaker 1: I was on a walk with my boyfriend of nine

1147
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:16,120
Speaker 1: years yesterday and he sprung something on me. He's always

1148
01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:18,680
Speaker 1: been a bit hesitant to spend money on things. Slash

1149
01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:21,919
Speaker 1: is a big saver. Slash is a practical person. He's

1150
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:24,120
Speaker 1: brought this up before about a wedding and wanted to

1151
01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:26,240
Speaker 1: maybe just have a giant party with great food and

1152
01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:28,720
Speaker 1: all of our close people. I love that idea. On

1153
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:31,840
Speaker 1: our walk, however, he brought up not understanding the need

1154
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:34,880
Speaker 1: for a wedding ring. He said, it's such an absurd

1155
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:37,320
Speaker 1: tradition to pay a significant amount of money for a

1156
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:39,320
Speaker 1: piece of jewelry when I should already know how much

1157
01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:42,080
Speaker 1: I love him and want to be with him. After

1158
01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:44,480
Speaker 1: saying all this, he basically said, I'll still get a

1159
01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:46,560
Speaker 1: ring for you if that's what you want. But now

1160
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:49,760
Speaker 1: I feel way less excited about the entire situation. I've

1161
01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:51,880
Speaker 1: been dreaming about a ring and being proposed to for

1162
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:53,840
Speaker 1: the last couple of years, and now I'm so bummed

1163
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 1: about all of it. He said he would be down

1164
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:58,120
Speaker 1: to do a big trip the two of us instead

1165
01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:00,400
Speaker 1: of waste a bunch of money on a ring. I

1166
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:02,320
Speaker 1: just don't know how to go about this situation, or

1167
01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:04,800
Speaker 1: how to make myself feel excited again about getting her ring,

1168
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:06,120
Speaker 1: or even if I should want to ring in the

1169
01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:10,360
Speaker 1: first place. So I had a knee jerk reaction to this.

1170
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:16,840
Speaker 1: What but you guys are probably gonna not agree with me. No, no, no, no,

1171
01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:18,920
Speaker 1: that was not my knees reaction. So my knee jerk

1172
01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:21,440
Speaker 1: reaction was, first of all, I love the fact that

1173
01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:26,040
Speaker 1: he is like, um, what's the word, uh, practical and

1174
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:33,200
Speaker 1: not cheap practical practical. I I appreciate that, Okay, I

1175
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:36,200
Speaker 1: really do. So. When I read this, my initial thought

1176
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:40,840
Speaker 1: was they've been together for nine years, he's ready to propose,

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01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:43,160
Speaker 1: and he wants to throw her off, so he's just

1178
01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:45,760
Speaker 1: saying this to throw her off, and then he's gonna

1179
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:48,640
Speaker 1: like propose with a beautiful ring that she's always wanted,

1180
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:53,720
Speaker 1: and that's how it's going to be. There, I go

1181
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:56,200
Speaker 1: with my hopeful expectations. Again, that was sometimes I'm not

1182
01:06:56,200 --> 01:06:58,760
Speaker 1: gonna lie. Really really shot me on the foot sometimes.

1183
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:03,280
Speaker 1: So love that. But however, now she has that in

1184
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:05,560
Speaker 1: her head and she's going to be waiting for a

1185
01:07:05,600 --> 01:07:10,520
Speaker 1: beautiful ring. While he might literally be like, if you

1186
01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:14,680
Speaker 1: need one, I'll get you one. That is, I would

1187
01:07:14,680 --> 01:07:18,680
Speaker 1: be so in the same place of questioning, am I

1188
01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:22,720
Speaker 1: selfish for wanting a ring? I feel bad? Am I

1189
01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:26,160
Speaker 1: am I only worried about the ring. I would hate

1190
01:07:26,720 --> 01:07:30,800
Speaker 1: having this mental battle right now because he basically was like,

1191
01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:34,200
Speaker 1: if that's what you want, I'll do it, But like,

1192
01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:36,360
Speaker 1: I don't want That's not really what I want right

1193
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:37,960
Speaker 1: So now if he does do it, she's going to

1194
01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:40,440
Speaker 1: feel guilty about it. And if he doesn't do it,

1195
01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:43,160
Speaker 1: then this is what she's always wanted. He's painted himself

1196
01:07:43,160 --> 01:07:46,040
Speaker 1: into a corner here. I hate this too. I hate it.

1197
01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:49,160
Speaker 1: And I know that the I know that marriage and

1198
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:52,680
Speaker 1: a relationship and love is not about the ring. But

1199
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:56,400
Speaker 1: the ring is a symbol of commitment and love. And

1200
01:07:56,640 --> 01:08:01,160
Speaker 1: she's not even saying she wants a big, sparkling, giant

1201
01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:04,480
Speaker 1: diamond ring. She just wants a ring and for him

1202
01:08:04,520 --> 01:08:08,120
Speaker 1: to kind of take away that excitement and that gift

1203
01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:11,160
Speaker 1: of you know, something that is a it's a really

1204
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:16,479
Speaker 1: fun and beautiful tradition. It makes me sad. It would

1205
01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:18,840
Speaker 1: always bum me out. Like sometimes i'd see guys like

1206
01:08:19,280 --> 01:08:21,600
Speaker 1: when they're at that point where they should propose, they

1207
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:23,680
Speaker 1: all of a sudden developed this like stance. But you

1208
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:25,840
Speaker 1: know a lot of those diamonds come from conflict minds

1209
01:08:25,840 --> 01:08:28,519
Speaker 1: and like like they like they do this like a

1210
01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:30,720
Speaker 1: hard pivot, like I don't need to spend a bunch

1211
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:32,000
Speaker 1: of money for you to know how much I love

1212
01:08:32,040 --> 01:08:34,559
Speaker 1: you and stuff like that, And and I always think, like,

1213
01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:36,880
Speaker 1: who cares she wants the ring, Just get the ring.

1214
01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:38,360
Speaker 1: You don't just spend that much of money, you know,

1215
01:08:38,479 --> 01:08:40,400
Speaker 1: like like you can get a really nice ring for

1216
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:44,880
Speaker 1: a couple hundred bucks and she'd be very happy. Yeah,

1217
01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:47,360
Speaker 1: that just it makes me. I agree, Mark, It's like,

1218
01:08:47,400 --> 01:08:50,080
Speaker 1: no matter what she's going to feel, she gets the

1219
01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:52,960
Speaker 1: short end of the stick here. I don't know, guys,

1220
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:59,040
Speaker 1: I don't go. I think that he's gearing up to

1221
01:08:59,200 --> 01:09:01,559
Speaker 1: pop the question and he's trying to throw her off

1222
01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:07,120
Speaker 1: his and thats to that's true. I don't love I

1223
01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:10,639
Speaker 1: don't love his approach. However, Uh, if this is what

1224
01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:14,559
Speaker 1: he has done, I respect it. And maybe he's picked

1225
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:18,080
Speaker 1: out the perfect ring for her. Oh she even the

1226
01:09:18,160 --> 01:09:21,120
Speaker 1: face in Tanya's face right now, so she even doesn't

1227
01:09:21,240 --> 01:09:23,720
Speaker 1: believe herself. It's because, look, guys, sometimes you just have

1228
01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:25,960
Speaker 1: to like, you have to have a pie in the

1229
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:29,320
Speaker 1: face moment. Oh no, I'm sorry, what is it? Pie

1230
01:09:29,320 --> 01:09:32,920
Speaker 1: in the sky? Is pine the sky? Sure? Is that

1231
01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:35,880
Speaker 1: the right analogy? I think so? I think so too.

1232
01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:37,760
Speaker 1: So sometimes you kind of just have to have a

1233
01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:40,639
Speaker 1: pie in the sky mentality and just hope, be hopeful

1234
01:09:41,080 --> 01:09:46,639
Speaker 1: that it's coming and don't think too much in the negative. Um,

1235
01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:50,000
Speaker 1: But I don't know at what point does she start

1236
01:09:50,040 --> 01:09:51,559
Speaker 1: to lose hope in that. I was going to say

1237
01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:55,479
Speaker 1: year nine, Yeah, nine years. That's the other thing is

1238
01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:57,519
Speaker 1: I would say this as a red flag, but nine

1239
01:09:57,560 --> 01:10:00,840
Speaker 1: years in you're not going anywhere. I don't think so.

1240
01:10:03,240 --> 01:10:04,680
Speaker 1: I know, like I'm trying to think if I were

1241
01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:07,479
Speaker 1: in that position, how long would I give it until

1242
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:12,280
Speaker 1: I started to panic. I understand practical and frugal, and

1243
01:10:12,280 --> 01:10:14,200
Speaker 1: I'm probably am those, but I also feel like this

1244
01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:15,600
Speaker 1: is the kind of guy that's never gonna want to

1245
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:17,800
Speaker 1: spend money on anything ever for any reason, like, oh,

1246
01:10:17,800 --> 01:10:19,960
Speaker 1: we don't need a house. I mean it's apartments fine,

1247
01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:22,000
Speaker 1: and we don't need to you know, we'll put the

1248
01:10:22,080 --> 01:10:24,160
Speaker 1: kids in pre school. We can teach him here. I

1249
01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:26,439
Speaker 1: just feel like he's going to find excuses at every step.

1250
01:10:28,439 --> 01:10:32,920
Speaker 1: Please keep us posted. Yeah, sorry, sorry, I don't know

1251
01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:35,160
Speaker 1: if we really had any good advice there, except for

1252
01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:40,760
Speaker 1: Tanya's optimism. I think it's coming, girl, Becks, just chill,

1253
01:10:41,240 --> 01:10:45,400
Speaker 1: you put your feet up. I do, don't. Don't raise

1254
01:10:45,479 --> 01:10:49,519
Speaker 1: her expectations if if she if it happens, then that

1255
01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:51,680
Speaker 1: is amazing. But if it doesn't, you have it in

1256
01:10:51,720 --> 01:10:54,519
Speaker 1: her head that it's coming. If it doesn't, then we

1257
01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:57,760
Speaker 1: need to reassess. We need to read calling in the

1258
01:10:57,800 --> 01:11:06,960
Speaker 1: one or codependent no more. Um? All right, man, that's

1259
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:13,400
Speaker 1: so rough. I'd give it three months. Oh wow, okay, okay,

1260
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:18,040
Speaker 1: but until what to see if he proposes and then

1261
01:11:18,400 --> 01:11:20,839
Speaker 1: and then I would reassess my situation. If he proposed

1262
01:11:20,920 --> 01:11:24,120
Speaker 1: with no ring, how do you do that? You down

1263
01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:26,599
Speaker 1: on the ground and hold up a plane ticket because

1264
01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:28,000
Speaker 1: he wasn't go on a trip? Is that of a ring?

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Speaker 1: Maybe being proposed to without a ring? That's interesting. I

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Speaker 1: don't know what I would do he proposes with a

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Speaker 1: plane ticket or a hotel vulturo low for like a

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Speaker 1: bread tie on a bread tire ring on my finger. Um. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Well today was a very we were kind of it

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Speaker 1: was like the pandemic kind of all over the place,

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Speaker 1: waves just waves highs and low. However, I felt like

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Speaker 1: it was a very important episode. We talked about UM

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Speaker 1: in all seriousness, I have gotten so many d ms

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Speaker 1: about UM human trafficking. Why we haven't talked about it?

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Speaker 1: And it's so interesting what you haven't I get the series?

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Speaker 1: You know? Yeah, I get the d ms of like,

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Speaker 1: I feel like crap because this boy doesn't like me,

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Speaker 1: no mine, or like about a lot of heavy things.

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Speaker 1: But I'm glad that we got to have a conversation

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Speaker 1: about that and UM. Also, I'm really glad we got

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Speaker 1: to talk about Taylor's album. What it means to us.

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Speaker 1: I got to talk about how in the world State

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Speaker 1: of Grace is your number one on the Red album.

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Speaker 1: Still stand by it. She hasn't changed her mind. Folks

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Speaker 1: trying to figure out how I'm gonna get myself a

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Speaker 1: Taylor Swift card again. Yeah, it's like I guess it's delayed.

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Speaker 1: The ones online are delayed for like ten weeks or something.

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Speaker 1: It'll be perfect for when the fall weather comes true. Um, alright, well,

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Speaker 1: we love you guys. I hope you have a great week.

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Speaker 1: What what are you pointing at me for? That's it

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Speaker 1: and that's all I just do. The shooters get send off? Alright,

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Speaker 1: great send off, Chaka. We will see you next week,

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Speaker 1: and we love you, and be safe and be merry

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Speaker 1: and nice to each other and folklore in folklore extream folklore. Alright, bye,