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Speaker 1: From UFOs to ghosts and government cover ups. History is

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Speaker 1: really with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to now. Planet

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Speaker 1: But wait, there's more. The Earth faces peril. Just this

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Speaker 1: Environmental Protection Agency is here us. Welcome to the show,

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Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen. We did it a little bit differently today,

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Speaker 1: ostensibly to solve. There are people who believe that. Well,

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you believe this theory, here are a

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Speaker 1: couple of things that I can imagine you saying to yourself, Well,

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Speaker 1: they have to increase their budget year over year. So

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Speaker 1: they have and they have to be increasing increasingly bad

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Speaker 1: things that they have to take care of, that they

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Speaker 1: need more money to handle. No, do you hear my

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Speaker 1: head shaking, I hear it. Shape. I'm trying to I'm

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Speaker 1: trying to imagine the things that would be said. Do

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Speaker 1: you don't need a government organization to actively you know?

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Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is those people who work in

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Speaker 1: the organization need to keep their jobs. In order to

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Speaker 1: keep their jobs, they have to I'm just saying people

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Speaker 1: do that for them. They don't need to help, you know.

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Speaker 1: Or I mean, the corporations are doing a fine job

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Speaker 1: of polluting jet they don't need the e p a's help. Well,

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Speaker 1: the e p A has helped accidentally a few times,

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Speaker 1: no doubt that. I'm just saying in terms of a

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Speaker 1: conspiracy involving the e p A. Actually, you know, on

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Speaker 1: their lunch break they go out and dump a bucket

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Speaker 1: of toxic waste in the river. You know? Is that

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Speaker 1: we're talking to Come on, unless they're getting money behind

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Speaker 1: somebody's back from an industry on purpose just to make

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Speaker 1: dump some toxic waste. Let's say, Oh, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: from the old gold King mind, Ben, I was gonna say, say, uh,

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Speaker 1: miss well, be yes, there is this idea that gained

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Speaker 1: a little traction with the legislature in Utah, which was

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Speaker 1: that the UH e p A did not accidentally release

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Speaker 1: three million gallons of my wastewater into the Animous River

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Speaker 1: in Colorado, that instead they purposefully did it, and Uh,

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Speaker 1: the state's attorney general was kind of like, uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe maybe who knows, Tupac might still

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Speaker 1: be alive. Well, yeah, it seems from the idea that

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Speaker 1: they were warned well in advance that there is an

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Speaker 1: issue here. And not only would this one king gold

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Speaker 1: or gold king mine, they're all these other minds in

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Speaker 1: that area that are are connected directly directly to rivers,

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Speaker 1: UH and groups they are just warning and mourning and warning, Hey, look,

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Speaker 1: these mines have wastewater and terrible things in them that

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Speaker 1: are going to get into the rivers. That we have

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Speaker 1: to do something about it. And it stinks because the

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Speaker 1: e p A really kind of has to table it

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Speaker 1: to a certain extent until they can get the resources

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Speaker 1: to take care of it. At least that's what the

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Speaker 1: e p A says. A representative named Mike nol s

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Speaker 1: the same way smelled the same way UH said that

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Speaker 1: the e p A might have caused the spill to

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Speaker 1: help environmentalists put an end to the hard rock mining industry.

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Speaker 1: I just don't see that. I don't know how that

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Speaker 1: would That's like such a Rube Goldberg machine of a plan.

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Speaker 1: I would need some proof to believe that. Do you

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Speaker 1: remember that board game mouse Trap? Oh? Yeah, it's it's

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00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 1: like a mouse trap level overly complicated plan. Yeah, you're

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Speaker 1: gonna bust a hole in this retaining wall and let

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Speaker 1: out all this stuff. By the way, the pollutes that

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Speaker 1: were let out and ended up what is an Animus

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Speaker 1: river and they got polluted. You're looking at extremely high

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Speaker 1: levels of lead, arsenic, cadmium, beryllium, and mercury in that water.

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Speaker 1: So anything living in that water, anyone using that water, Uh,

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Speaker 1: this is not good. And according to this one CNN

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Speaker 1: report that was looking at an actual e p A

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Speaker 1: report was talking about uh, perhaps because these are heavy metals, right,

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Speaker 1: and it's not that they just go away once they're

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Speaker 1: in a river like this. They sink to the bottom.

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Speaker 1: And then if you have catfish, catfish, anything else that

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Speaker 1: lives in there, or even if there's um a lot

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Speaker 1: of a lot of extra water moving through with a

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Speaker 1: little bit of flooding, you're gonna get that stuff. It's

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Speaker 1: gonna get up with the silt, get more problems. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: I just thought this was a really interesting and kind

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Speaker 1: of scary thing that happened on my birthday this year.

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Speaker 1: So yeah. E p A created in nineteen seventy to

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Speaker 1: look after the environment and a ruined birthday Facebook posts

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Speaker 1: on birthday. Yes, uh, well, I'm glad that they are

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Speaker 1: doing something. No, I'm kidding, I'm kidding, you know. Also,

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Speaker 1: the e p A does a lot of good work

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Speaker 1: that gets ignored, right, The squeaky wheels get degrease, right,

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Speaker 1: and the barking dogs are the ones you hear uh

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00:30:56,080 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 1: and other various figures of speech. Point being were guessing

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Speaker 1: on the stuff that has been alleged or proven to

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Speaker 1: be shady, to be incorrect, to be corrupt, because that's

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Speaker 1: what we're looking to do. Um, if the e p

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Speaker 1: A does their job, then we have no idea. And

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Speaker 1: can the e PA do their job structurally given the

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Speaker 1: relationship between a business and a government, right or just

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Speaker 1: the sheer size of this regulatory body, how how are

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Speaker 1: they doing? Why do ex employees complain? But I guess

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00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 1: ex employees will always come out of the woodwork for anything, right, So, Uh,

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Speaker 1: we want to I guess we got to wrap it

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Speaker 1: up unfortunately, And we want to hear from you guys.

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Speaker 1: What do you think of the e p A. Are

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Speaker 1: you one of the people who thinks it shouldn't exist?

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00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: If so, I want to hear from you. I think

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00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 1: that's something like it needs to exist. That's what I think.

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Speaker 1: Just personally, I don't know, but I'm really interested in

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Speaker 1: hearing the opinion of people who think that it shouldn't

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Speaker 1: or that something different should exist. What would that be?

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Speaker 1: And um, tell us tell us what things are like

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00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:11,719
Speaker 1: in your neck of the woods, especially if you live

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Speaker 1: in a different country. Do you have something like the

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Speaker 1: e p A. What do you think of them? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Do you have any run ins with let's say, stuff

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Speaker 1: that's in your well water? Uh? If you live out

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Speaker 1: in the Northwest or something the Midwest? I wanna Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'd love to hear stories of just dealing with even

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00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:34,479
Speaker 1: like things like fishing advisories. Oh yeah, absolutely. So. You

533
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: can find us in various corners of the Internet. As

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Speaker 1: we always say, we're on Facebook and Twitter. Where are

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00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 1: we at on that you can find us? We are

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00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: conspiracy stuff on those We like using those. Yes, but uh,

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Speaker 1: there are two places, two ways to hang out with

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Speaker 1: us that I think are most profitable into like terms

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Speaker 1: of time. Yes, okay. The first one is to go

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Speaker 1: to stuff Don't want you to know dot com because

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Speaker 1: you can find this that we're doing right now. It

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00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 1: exists there every version of our audio podcast, every episode,

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Speaker 1: all the videos, all the pictures of Ben and Matt

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Speaker 1: hanging out around pylons, So Noel will be hanging around

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Speaker 1: a pylon to picture. Can I lean on it? Oh? Yes,

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Speaker 1: you can kneel. You do all with them more leaning? Okay, well, Neil,

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Speaker 1: I like I like it when there are levels. What

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Speaker 1: do people do people do if they don't like websites?

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00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 1: What if they just want to send us a direct message?

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Speaker 1: I I honestly don't know what. What do you do? Well?

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00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 1: I suppose you could send an email to conspiracy stuff works.

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Speaker 1: You're right from on this topic, another unexplained phenomenon. Visit

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Speaker 1: YouTube dot com slash conspiracy stuff. You can also get

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Speaker 1: in touch on Twitter at the handle at conspiracy stuff

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Speaker 1: and it be