1 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: Hey, I'm welcome to the Short Stuff. I'm Josh. There's 2 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: Chuck and Ben's here too, sitting in for Dave. 3 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:09,480 Speaker 2: Ben. 4 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 1: This is short stuff, the New Reality. 5 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 2: That's right. I'm glad that you found this because I 6 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:18,479 Speaker 2: have experienced this in a slightly different way, and I 7 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 2: never knew that it was a thing, and now I do. 8 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I had no idea it was a thing either. 9 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: I don't remember where I heard of this. I'm guessing 10 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 1: you me, it just seems like the kind of thing 11 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 1: she would have sent me. But we have to shout 12 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: out McGill University, IFL Science and Science Times for helping 13 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: round this idea hour this story out. But we're talking 14 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 1: about something called the Marico Aoki phenomenon, which is a 15 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: very specific phenomenon. It's where some people go into a 16 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 1: bookstore and are overwhelmed with the urge, sometimes an urgent 17 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:53,199 Speaker 1: urge to poop in that bookstore, not like in the 18 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 1: aisles of the bookstore, but to go to the bathroom 19 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 1: in the bookstore to poop. 20 00:00:57,120 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, so here's my story. In high school, still one 21 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 2: of my very best friends, Jim, I say, you know, Jim, 22 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 2: Jim and I had an afternoon radio show, which was 23 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 2: over the intercom of the school, and it was basically 24 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:18,040 Speaker 2: instead of the principal reading the daily announcements, we asked 25 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 2: if we could take it over and round it out 26 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:22,399 Speaker 2: with jokes and top ten lists and what have you. 27 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 2: So we had WRHS was our dumb little show. 28 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:27,959 Speaker 1: So wait, this was officially sanctioned. It wasn't pirate School Radio. 29 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 2: No, no, no. It was us in the principal's office 30 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 2: like on the microphone every day. I mean that was 31 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:36,319 Speaker 2: looking back, it was the start of stuff you should know, 32 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 2: which is funny. Oh wow, But we did. When we 33 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:44,039 Speaker 2: would meet to write the show. Every day, we would 34 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 2: meet in the empty auditorium where they did school plays, 35 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 2: and every time we were in there, both of us 36 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 2: had to poop and we used to laugh about it 37 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 2: and talk about it. And now that I see sort 38 00:01:56,080 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 2: of some of the similarities between that empty, quiet auditorium 39 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 2: and a sort of a large, maybe cavernous, quiet bookstore, 40 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 2: I now know this is a thing. 41 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,359 Speaker 1: I was not expecting a personal anecdote from you for 42 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: this one. 43 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, this goes back to the eighties, Jim 44 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 2: and I. He'll laugh when I tell him this is 45 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 2: an actual thing. 46 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:18,359 Speaker 1: Well, that's appropriate because the Marico Aoki phenomenon goes back 47 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: to the eighties too, all. 48 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:21,679 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, so we should probably talk about where it 49 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 2: came from, right. 50 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, it came from a Japanese woman named Mariko Aoki. 51 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:30,800 Speaker 2: That's right. And she sent a letter to a magazine 52 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 2: in what nineteen eighty five and the issue of han 53 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 2: no Zashi? Is that right? 54 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: Close enough? 55 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 2: How would you say it? 56 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: Han no Zashi? 57 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 2: Didn't that what I said? 58 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 1: Yeah? 59 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 2: Okay? And she wrote a letter to the you know, 60 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:48,799 Speaker 2: like a letter to the editor kind of thing, where 61 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 2: she said, I'm not sure why, but since about two 62 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 2: or three years ago, whenever I go to a bookstore, 63 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:56,920 Speaker 2: I'm struck by an urge to move my bowels. They 64 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 2: printed it, just the letter to the editor, and then 65 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 2: got so many responses from people saying me too, that 66 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 2: the next issue had a fourteen page feature article on 67 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 2: the headline was the phenomenon currently shaking the bookstore industry. 68 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it became like such a thing that it 69 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 1: took her name, Marico Aoki. Even though there has been 70 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: people have turned up mentions of this kind of thing 71 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: as far back as the fifties, I could not find 72 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:30,079 Speaker 1: any original source material of that, but I think I'm 73 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 1: willing to take IFL Science on their word if they 74 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: were the one where I got it from. But in 75 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 1: Japan it kicked off like a trend, right, So there 76 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: were kind of like game show informal studies of what 77 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: exactly was going on, and they did turn up some data, 78 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: not exactly like you know, peer review shorthy data, but 79 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: they found that about ten percent of the respondence in 80 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: Japan feel the urge to poop when they go into 81 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 1: the bookstore. So the Marryoki Aoki phenomenon is it covers 82 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 1: about ten percent of the population. I'm squarely in the 83 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 1: ninety percent. You're apparently in the ten percent. 84 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I haven't tested it with a bookstore, 85 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 2: but there are similarities between. For us, it always felt 86 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 2: like like Jim's theory was that it was a big 87 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 2: being alone in a very big, large, empty quiet. 88 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: Space like a colon. 89 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 2: I guess so, but you know, a bookstore isn't empty, 90 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:29,839 Speaker 2: but it's not like going to a concert. It is 91 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 2: generally pretty quiet, so and there's like some there's a 92 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 2: privacy aspect I think to a bookstore. I mean I'm 93 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 2: thinking larger bookstores, not like you know, the tiny mom 94 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:43,039 Speaker 2: and pops, which I love. So I don't know that 95 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 2: was his theory. Lease, so I guess I'm in that 96 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 2: ten percent. I'll go to a bookstore and I'll let 97 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:47,600 Speaker 2: you know. 98 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:50,279 Speaker 1: We'll report back for sure. As a matter of fact, 99 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: we should live stream on stuff. You should know, like 100 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 1: one of our social it's true. 101 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 2: Oh my god, you might He'll be right back. Should 102 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 2: we take a break, Yeah, all right, we'll come back 103 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 2: and talk about some of the theories right after this. 104 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 2: If you want to know, then you're in luck. Just 105 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:25,039 Speaker 2: listen to Chuck selfus. 106 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:29,840 Speaker 1: Chuck, I think I speak on behalf of at least 107 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 1: half of the people listening. Would you and Jim go 108 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 1: poop at the same time, or would you like take turns? 109 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 2: I don't remember that part. I don't even know if 110 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 2: we went and pooped or if it was just like, 111 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 2: oh I got a poop, I see, I see. 112 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, so yeah, anyway, we're back. 113 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're back. There is no like serious science probably 114 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:54,600 Speaker 2: about this, but there are a lot of pretty interesting theories, 115 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:57,159 Speaker 2: and one of them is something that we've talked about. 116 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 2: In fact, we did a whole show sort of, didn't 117 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 2: we about the gut brain axis we did. 118 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:05,039 Speaker 1: I don't. 119 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 2: It's something about like when you approach the front door 120 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:07,599 Speaker 2: of your. 121 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:09,359 Speaker 1: House, that's the brain bladder connection. 122 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 2: Oh okay, I think this is kind of similar though, right, No, totally. 123 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: I think the second theory, the smell of books, which 124 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 1: we'll get to, is more brain bladder connection. But the 125 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 1: gut brain axis would have come up in I guess, 126 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:23,479 Speaker 1: like I can't remember what it was, but we talked 127 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 1: about like a whole episode about how there's neurons in 128 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: your gut and like your brain and your gut, your 129 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:32,919 Speaker 1: central nervous system and your enteric nervous system communicate to 130 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:37,039 Speaker 1: one another. And so that's probably the likeliest explanation for 131 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:41,159 Speaker 1: why somebody would feel the urge to poop in a bookstore. 132 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, there are some other you know. To me, I 133 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 2: think it's all of these things added together. There is 134 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 2: that there is also this sort of connection of like 135 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 2: people like reading on the toilet has long been something 136 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 2: that people do, right. People are on their phones now, 137 00:06:58,360 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 2: but in the old days, you had that magazine. Rack 138 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 2: still got a magazine right next to my toilet, and 139 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 2: we'll read a good magazine. So that connection. Maybe that 140 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 2: subconscious thing of when you're among those books, your sphincter 141 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 2: just a moocks, just a little bit, maybe. 142 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. So whatever it was, whatever, if it's 143 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 1: like the smell of books, that's kind of usually put forth. 144 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 1: Whatever it is that you associate with a bookstore, and 145 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: then you poop in the bookstore. That's where your gut 146 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 1: brain access would take over and you develop this association. 147 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 1: So when you walk into the bookstore, your brain goes, hey, gut, 148 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:37,239 Speaker 1: we're in a bookstore. You better get busy pooping. 149 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, makes sense. Another one, of course, is a bookstore 150 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 2: oftentimes there's a lot of squatting. Yeah, if you want 151 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 2: to book down on that bottom shelf, or you want 152 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 2: to peruse for a little while on the bottom, you're 153 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 2: going to be squatting down. And humankind didn't evolve to 154 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 2: poop like we poop. Now you're supposed to squat. And 155 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 2: if you've ever in in that dead squat position with 156 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 2: your butt just barely above the ground and all your weight, 157 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 2: like everything lines up in such a way to where 158 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 2: your body goes, oh, it's go. 159 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 1: Time, it's time, yeah, and he goes. 160 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 2: So you're in there already, it's quiet. You got the 161 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 2: smell of the books you're squatting. 162 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, how could anybody not poop? 163 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 2: You may have a coffee, that's a big one. 164 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: A lot of people say, yeah, people drink coffee and 165 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 1: bookstores and coffee makes you poop. 166 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. So I think it's like all this stuff sort 167 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:35,679 Speaker 2: of adds up to, oh my god, I'm in a bookstore. 168 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 2: I've got to go. 169 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:41,680 Speaker 1: There's another theory that isn't specifically identified as from Japan. 170 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 1: But if it's not from Japan, I will eat my 171 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: hat and I don't even have a hat. I'll go 172 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 1: buy a hat to eat it. If this isn't a 173 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 1: Japanese theory, that because life is stressful, when you walk 174 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 1: into a bookstore, a bookstore is very calm, and so 175 00:08:56,240 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 1: you feel relieved and so you want to leave yourself. 176 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever seen you wear a hat. 177 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 1: I've got a like a mud hens hat that man, 178 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 1: my hair has to be pretty messed up for me 179 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 1: to wear it, but that's my hat. 180 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 2: I don't think i've ever seen you in a hat 181 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 2: in sixteen years. 182 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: Well, that's by design. 183 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 2: I've seen you in shorts maybe twice. 184 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: That was by design as well. What do you think. 185 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 2: You get some nice legs thanks, And then of course 186 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 2: you have to think about or at least consider the 187 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:31,679 Speaker 2: frequency illusion aspect of this. It's a type of confirmation bias, 188 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 2: whereas once you know this is a thing, you start 189 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:37,559 Speaker 2: to just it's in your head all of a sudden, 190 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 2: and you're making that connection where it previously didn't exist, 191 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 2: So you know, you have to kind of consider that 192 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 2: for sure. 193 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what skeptics say. They say there's no such 194 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 1: thing as the Mark Aoki phenomenon, that actually it's it's 195 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 1: people just have heard of it, and maybe she had 196 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 1: some sort of Pavlovian training where like the smell of the 197 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 1: books made her want to poop, but just talk about it. 198 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 1: It getting published and becoming a thing in Japan, then 199 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: traveling around the world, people started saying like, oh, yeah, 200 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 1: I've pooped in bookstores too, So then anytime they poop 201 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 1: in a bookstore from that point on they notice it. 202 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:15,599 Speaker 1: It confirms their theory that they're susceptible to the Ma 203 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 1: Aoki phenomenon, and it just becomes like a self fulfilling prophecy. 204 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 1: But at the same time they're also ignoring all the 205 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 1: times they go to the bookstore and don't poop, or 206 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:28,319 Speaker 1: they go to pet Co and have to poop. You 207 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: don't want to do although you could just poop in 208 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 1: the aisle and blame it on the dog. But still 209 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 1: that's part of the frequency illusion. 210 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. So I'm curious to hear from people 211 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 2: two types of people, people that have experienced this, whether 212 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 2: in a bookstore or like my situation, like a large 213 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 2: empty room, or bookstore employees who are like, dude, you 214 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 2: don't know that the nightmare that we live. 215 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I can imagine, you know, Yeah, I hadn't thought 216 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: about that. Man's better thought for the bookstore employees. 217 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 2: Huh, wasn't there Seinfeld where George had to go to 218 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 2: the bathroom in a bookstore? 219 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, he found the pastoral scenes very conducive to and 220 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: then Elaine cuts him off. He had to buy a 221 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 1: book because he took it in the bathroom. 222 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 2: That's funny. 223 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:18,719 Speaker 1: There you have it, a book of Impressionist paintings. If 224 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 1: you well, no, this is not a regular stuff you 225 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 1: should know episode. Even though in this episode we found 226 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 1: out the origin of stuff you should know, even I 227 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: didn't know the origin story. And since I'm so hyped, 228 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:35,560 Speaker 1: I think that can only mean that short stuff is out. 229 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 2: Stuff you Should Know is a production of iHeartRadio. For 230 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 2: more podcasts my heart Radio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 231 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 2: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.