WEBVTT - The Atlanta Hawks Have A Trae Young Problem (Featuring: Bill Reiter)

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<v Speaker 1>You're tuned into Heat Check with just a quick.

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<v Speaker 2>On this episode of the Heat Check. It's a bonus

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<v Speaker 2>episode CBS Sports Radio Basketball Inside are one of my favorites,

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<v Speaker 2>Bill Ryder. Bill he's about as connected as anyone in

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<v Speaker 2>the NBA, and he is here to break down Kevin

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<v Speaker 2>Durant's debut with the Suns, rip Kevin Durant for the

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<v Speaker 2>rest of the season, and the deep dive story he

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<v Speaker 2>wrote about the dysfunction with the Atlanta Hawks. The interview

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<v Speaker 2>was conducted on vetm JAM tonight, my other betting show.

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<v Speaker 2>Get right to it, Nick, let's drop that generic ass beat.

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<v Speaker 2>We start the interview by asking Bill his assessment of

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<v Speaker 2>the Phoenix Suns now that Kevin Durant is playing on

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<v Speaker 2>this team. He had some great insight into KD and

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<v Speaker 2>what impact he's going to have on the Suns moving

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<v Speaker 2>forward this year and beyond.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Hey, guys, great to be on. I'm one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>percent with you, and I'm normally very reluctant to buy

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<v Speaker 1>into the hype that major additions, right superstars going somewhere

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<v Speaker 1>are going to automatically click at any point or early

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<v Speaker 1>in that product, let alone. In February March this deep

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<v Speaker 1>right three quarters of the way into a season. But

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<v Speaker 1>I saw the same thing that you saw, and certainly

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<v Speaker 1>the same thing that at least three GMS that I

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<v Speaker 1>texted saw who didn't love it, since they're they were

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<v Speaker 1>not the Phoenix Suns gms. You're right, instant chemistry. He

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<v Speaker 1>looked like he had absolutely zero RUSS, which made sense.

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<v Speaker 1>I had heard they were gonna wait to bring it

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<v Speaker 1>back until he was physically able, just in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>the injury and everything that we thought Kevin Durant would do.

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<v Speaker 1>Make life easier for Dean Booker, make it not matter

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<v Speaker 1>if Chris Paul has an off nine and CP three

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<v Speaker 1>certainly did, at least from a shooting perspective, Make DeAndre

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<v Speaker 1>eight and a guy that can just do the dirty

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<v Speaker 1>stuff and not have to be even the third most

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<v Speaker 1>important player on the floor and just be Kevin Durant

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<v Speaker 1>if he can fit in. It all went perfectly according

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<v Speaker 1>to plan. If you're the Phoenix Suns.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, Bill, I was thinking about Ayton because

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<v Speaker 2>obviously there was a lot of drama in the offseason

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<v Speaker 2>about whether they wanted to pay him, and then they

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<v Speaker 2>kind of felt like they were forced into it because

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<v Speaker 2>of the way that the Indiana Pacers off for sheet

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<v Speaker 2>works right, and couldn't do a sign and trade at

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<v Speaker 2>that point. But I think actually the biggest beneficiary might

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<v Speaker 2>be Ayton. How basketball wise, do you think Katie helps

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<v Speaker 2>DeAndre Ayton and increases or accentuates his value to the team.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's a great question. I think it's significant. I

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<v Speaker 1>think you hit on something really important and maybe the

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<v Speaker 1>only thing that can stop the sun, certainly in the

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<v Speaker 1>Western Conference, and that is some of the chemistry issues

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<v Speaker 1>or problematic potential chemistry issues that are percolating beneath the surface.

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<v Speaker 1>And one of them is certainly that DeAndre Ayden, You're right,

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<v Speaker 1>didn't want to be in Phoenix. He wanted to have

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<v Speaker 1>a bigger role somewhere else. He now has a lesson

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<v Speaker 1>role just by the nature of Kevin Durant coming in.

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<v Speaker 1>But what I saw is what you're asking about, what

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<v Speaker 1>you're talking about, which is DeAndre Ayton is going to

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<v Speaker 1>get some of the easiest buckets of his basketball life,

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<v Speaker 1>of his basketball career. Buckets are gonna be easy for

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<v Speaker 1>Devin Booker. They're gonna be easier for Chris Paul when

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<v Speaker 1>he decides to shoot. You can figure out how to

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<v Speaker 1>shoot again. But you saw DeAndre Ayden get I don't

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<v Speaker 1>remember when he had sixteen eighteen easy points, a ton

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<v Speaker 1>of rebounds, great energy. I think he understands. And I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know DeAndre at all, but people that know him

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<v Speaker 1>tell me he is a guy that if he's in

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<v Speaker 1>a good situation, he's happy to just do the dirty work,

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<v Speaker 1>play defense, rebound, wait for his turn to win. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think every member that Sun's team, up and down,

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<v Speaker 1>they understand. And you saw it with the chemistry that

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<v Speaker 1>we were talking about Kevin Durantz there. They're all going

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<v Speaker 1>to have chances to win a championship and be better.

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<v Speaker 1>And I thought Ayton looked so seamless and so comfortable,

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<v Speaker 1>not for the first time this year, but in a

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<v Speaker 1>way that is not necessarily the norm for him on

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<v Speaker 1>that team.

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<v Speaker 2>We've followed up his son's talk with a quick follow

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<v Speaker 2>up and whether the lack of debt would be an

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<v Speaker 2>issue moving forward.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think in the postseason, I think it could.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's say that they were in the position the

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<v Speaker 1>Lakers are in, or any of the teams right now

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<v Speaker 1>that have championship hopes or aspirations but are on the

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<v Speaker 1>wrong side of the play and are at least going

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<v Speaker 1>to probably be in the play in then it would,

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<v Speaker 1>but Phoenix is probably going to be what they're probably

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<v Speaker 1>locked in it three or four, right, They're probably not

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<v Speaker 1>going to rise up to one or two the collapse

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<v Speaker 1>above them from Memphis or Denver. And that means we

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<v Speaker 1>sort of, I think, look through the prism of what

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<v Speaker 1>they're gonna be in the playoffs and in the postseason.

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<v Speaker 1>For the most part, rotations are gonna shorten. You're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>cut off you guys maybe minutes that they get in

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<v Speaker 1>the regular season. They're not gonna get. You're gonna have

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<v Speaker 1>more of a chess match because you're playing the same

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<v Speaker 1>team at least four times, maybe seven times per series.

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<v Speaker 1>So I actually think the advantage, at least my view

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<v Speaker 1>of this in the playoffs is talent three, right, top

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<v Speaker 1>two or three guys and then depth to maybe six,

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<v Speaker 1>seven and really significant. I think we've seen that from

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<v Speaker 1>the Warriors over the years, and the Suns are the

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<v Speaker 1>best four man group in the NBA, of the best

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<v Speaker 1>three man I think group in the NBA. Well, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't buy this. There are certainly people who do this

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<v Speaker 1>for a living who actually run teams who think they

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<v Speaker 1>might have the best two man group in the NBA,

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<v Speaker 1>depending how you assess Devin Booker. So I actually think

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<v Speaker 1>their postseason opportunity, just how this fits, is going to

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<v Speaker 1>be really beneficial for them.

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<v Speaker 2>The main reason though, I wanted to talk to Bill

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<v Speaker 2>was this in depth interview and article that he did

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<v Speaker 2>on the dysfunction of the Atlanta Hawks. He breaks it

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<v Speaker 2>all down as clearly as you're ever gonna find plain

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<v Speaker 2>spoken about why the Hawks have a Trey Young problem.

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<v Speaker 1>It really is. And I laugh when you guys Bob

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<v Speaker 1>brought me on and said that you agree with what

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<v Speaker 1>I wrote, because because that means you don't work for

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<v Speaker 1>the Atlanta Hawks, because they does not love that story.

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<v Speaker 1>I would argue in largest part because it's very true. Yeah, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>I've known Quinn for a long time, all the way

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<v Speaker 1>back to when he was a matter the University of

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<v Speaker 1>Missouri and college. And I don't know him like we're buddies,

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<v Speaker 1>but I've just I've followed and covered his career. I think,

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<v Speaker 1>and people in the NBA more we think very highly

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<v Speaker 1>of him on a lot of levels. And one of

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<v Speaker 1>the things you'll hear is his ability to really connect

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<v Speaker 1>with players and not in an authentic way, in a

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<v Speaker 1>real way. So I think that's goal number one. Here

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<v Speaker 1>is a fraction locker room. Trey Young does not get

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<v Speaker 1>along with many of the people in that locker room. There

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<v Speaker 1>is frustration towards Trey Young. And you've seen the excellent

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<v Speaker 1>reporting that's come out of the Athletic and the local newspaper,

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<v Speaker 1>the Langila Constitution about Trey getting on a plane and

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<v Speaker 1>not flying over this team after a playoff game with

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<v Speaker 1>the heat, which is utterly unacceptable, to say the least

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<v Speaker 1>in the NBA, among other things other places have reported.

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<v Speaker 1>So this isn't a secret. But I I think is

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<v Speaker 1>interesting is sort of what's new in the column that

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<v Speaker 1>I wrote, is that Quinn Snyder's is going to try

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<v Speaker 1>to reach him right, reach Trey Young, connect with Trey Young,

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<v Speaker 1>get Trey Young to baby, just think that defense exists

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<v Speaker 1>as a concept, and engage in a better way at

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<v Speaker 1>the locker room. But it's also been suggested to me

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<v Speaker 1>by people in the know that Quinn Snyder want a

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<v Speaker 1>loud voice in that organization. That part of the reason

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<v Speaker 1>he's not a UTAH. He really liked Andy AHw took

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<v Speaker 1>over bats pull offs, but Quinn Snyder wants that one

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<v Speaker 1>of the loudest voices there, and there's some political it's

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<v Speaker 1>an interesting political scenario in Atlanta where Quinn Snyder can

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<v Speaker 1>do that. I think it's part of the reason he

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<v Speaker 1>showed up early with the wrestler family who owns the team,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think Quinn expects to be able to be

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<v Speaker 1>one of the prominent voices in the front office even

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<v Speaker 1>though he's the head coach. And I think there's certainly

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<v Speaker 1>a scenario where he has now it's lessons now, but

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<v Speaker 1>when he started twenty one games, to look at Trey Young,

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<v Speaker 1>to evaluate Trey Young, to try to reach Trey Young,

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<v Speaker 1>try to fix the culture, and if he can't use

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<v Speaker 1>that voice that he wants to potentially write, potentially push

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<v Speaker 1>for a reality where you move on from the guy.

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<v Speaker 1>If you don't think it's gonna work.

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<v Speaker 2>Bill. The thing that I don't understand, and that was

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<v Speaker 2>why reading your article was so refreshing, because I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like I've been as an NBA fan but also a

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<v Speaker 2>media member, being gas lit around what's going on with Atlanta.

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<v Speaker 2>This is weird, this organizational structure you mentioned Game of Thrones.

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<v Speaker 2>That's when I said, yes, this guy and I are

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be friend because the Nick Wrestler, Landry Fields, Kyle Korver,

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<v Speaker 2>so many random voices in the room. A former Golden

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<v Speaker 2>State Warriors beat reporter in the mix is an assistant

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<v Speaker 2>GM like, can you put this into context about because

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<v Speaker 2>nepotism is normal in any structure, especially in the NBA,

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<v Speaker 2>but this feels very abnormal. And do you think that

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<v Speaker 2>this is like a fixavulture, cause it's kind of just

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<v Speaker 2>starting this way where it feels toxic.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very bizarre. There are certainly people and you can

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<v Speaker 1>guess what city of the m and A from. It

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<v Speaker 1>has great sweet tea and it's wonderful and it's warm

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of the time. Who would argue it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to work out? People Landa would argue that. But here's yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>here's a good DHOS version. Tony Wrestler owns the team.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a billionaire. His son, Nick Wrestler is a twin

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<v Speaker 1>old who isn't just involved. He is involved in front

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<v Speaker 1>office operations. He is I understand it, and really reporting

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<v Speaker 1>from other outlets have really laid this out in a

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<v Speaker 1>very impressive way. Is around and making decisions and not

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<v Speaker 1>that long ago. They gave Travis Schlang, who's technically still

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<v Speaker 1>I believe that they're president of basketball operations, a big extension.

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<v Speaker 1>Sources tell me he paid him a bunch of money,

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<v Speaker 1>gave him the Rays guaranteed that money, and then what

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<v Speaker 1>a year later? They shoved him aside because his deputy

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<v Speaker 1>Landry Fields. Not accusing Landry of anything, but Landry got

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<v Speaker 1>along better with twenty seven year old son of the owner,

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<v Speaker 1>right the owner's kid walking around the building wanting certain things,

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<v Speaker 1>wanting different things. All of a sudden, Travis Slank, who

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<v Speaker 1>came from the Warriors credit with scoutings. For example, Draymond

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<v Speaker 1>Green very well respect in the league. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what he's doing, but he's on an island or his house,

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<v Speaker 1>or maybe he moved, but he's collecting the paycheck, not

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<v Speaker 1>doing anything right now. As I understand it, Landry Field

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<v Speaker 1>is elevated to GM. That's a former player who's well

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<v Speaker 1>regarded but hasn't been doing this for a long time.

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<v Speaker 1>Kyle Korver, who gets along really well with young Nick Wrestler,

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<v Speaker 1>just got promoted to assistant GM. You know that there's

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of characters in the mix, and as I

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<v Speaker 1>understand it the Wrestler family and their team Tony Wrestler,

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<v Speaker 1>that dad is desperate to win and not patient in

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<v Speaker 1>his ambition. I get it as a fan. If you're

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<v Speaker 1>a fan of that team, you'd love it. His son,

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<v Speaker 1>Nick Wrestler thinks he knows not about best but certainly

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<v Speaker 1>isn't has a view that's important. I can't speak to

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<v Speaker 1>whether Nick Wrestler is really great at running the front

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<v Speaker 1>office or some rich guys kid who shouldn't be there.

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<v Speaker 1>Time will tell, but it certainly led to some massive changes.

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<v Speaker 1>And as I've had it, and it's in the column,

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<v Speaker 1>Quinn Snyder went early to this job so to preparachute

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<v Speaker 1>it in a few days ago, in part because he

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<v Speaker 1>understands the political dynamic. And what you want to do is,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're going to be a member of Atlanta Hawks,

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<v Speaker 1>let alone the head coach. You want to get in

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<v Speaker 1>woo the Wrestler family, get to know twenty seven year

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<v Speaker 1>old Nick Wrestler and make sure he's listening to you.

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<v Speaker 1>Because I think the political situation and there's very much in.

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<v Speaker 2>Flux, is Quinn Snyder kind of like a Little Finger

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<v Speaker 2>character in this In this scenario.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean look, this gets me in trouble. But what

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<v Speaker 1>if I write this stuff like I just tell the

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<v Speaker 1>truth or I try to right. We all get stuff

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<v Speaker 1>wrong and people get really really angry with me. And

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<v Speaker 1>I can tell you stories for hours about Lebron James,

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<v Speaker 1>Katie me back in the day. But as here's my

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<v Speaker 1>view of Quinn. I think he's a really good coach.

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<v Speaker 1>I like him personally. He's incredibly charming. I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>a great hire. But I do think that there's a

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<v Speaker 1>part of Quinn Snyder's denemer charm approach ambition that some

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<v Speaker 1>people would call two paces wrong. But he's an ambitious,

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<v Speaker 1>charming guy, right, Like it's like when you go to

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<v Speaker 1>a manipulent dealership. Yeah, like I don't want to buy

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<v Speaker 1>this car. Now I'm driving a Prius and I got

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<v Speaker 1>to explain it to my wife. He's that guy, and

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<v Speaker 1>not in a bad way. It's his job and I

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<v Speaker 1>actually think highli of the guy. But yes, I little,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that is it, I would say to the

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<v Speaker 1>nexter way. But if we're going you know, Game of

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<v Speaker 1>Thrones here, he might be a little bit you know,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe he won't get slaughtered up in the north right

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<v Speaker 1>when he Finally, like his rock, his luck runs out.

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<v Speaker 1>But if it's succession, he's definitely one of those kids

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<v Speaker 1>and you're rooting for him, but you gotta be careful

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<v Speaker 1>with him a little bit too.

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<v Speaker 2>Finally, I asked Bill how much the Hawks miss Kevin

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<v Speaker 2>Herder and what he sees for them the rest of

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<v Speaker 2>the year.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's I it hasn't worked out clearly, and

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<v Speaker 1>and to be fair, I thought it was an amazing move.

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<v Speaker 1>So what do I know? Right Like, it's this stuff

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<v Speaker 1>is hard and it hasn't helped. But I do think

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<v Speaker 1>the issues with Trey Young run deeper. I know they

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<v Speaker 1>run deeper, and I think that bringing in Murray they

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<v Speaker 1>I know that they hoped that that would be a

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<v Speaker 1>wake up call for Trey, a motivation for Trey, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>disguised as or maybe you know, equal parts, here's some help,

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<v Speaker 1>and it obviously hasn't gone that direction. So yes, I

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<v Speaker 1>think there's been some bad decision making that went on

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<v Speaker 1>in the front office when Travis Shank was do in charge.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably part of the reason he's not there right probably

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<v Speaker 1>part of the reason despite his contract situation. I also

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<v Speaker 1>think Trey Young's a problem and just talking to folks

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<v Speaker 1>in that organization. Outside of it, it is understood that

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<v Speaker 1>that he has not been a leader, that there have

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<v Speaker 1>been problems. People change, people grow. Can't judge a person

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<v Speaker 1>based on one season or a couple of seasons. But

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<v Speaker 1>all is not well in Atlanta, and Trey jung Is

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<v Speaker 1>is a part of the reason. Yeah, I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>bonus time if they can make the playoffs, make the

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<v Speaker 1>play and make a run. They certainly did that a

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<v Speaker 1>few years ago and they had that crazy run at

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<v Speaker 1>Eastern Conference finals. But I think the main goal is

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<v Speaker 1>for Quinn Snyder to be able to assess his basketball

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<v Speaker 1>team that he's going to be at for four years

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<v Speaker 1>after this, to assess Treeunk, to try and fix some

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<v Speaker 1>of the cultural problems, to navigate the politics that we discussed,

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<v Speaker 1>and to really hit the ground running next year. Quinn

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<v Speaker 1>Snyder's in it for the long run. They would love

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to make it work over the course

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<v Speaker 1>of the next six weeks. But I think really this

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<v Speaker 1>season for Quinn Snyder and therefore the team is about

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<v Speaker 1>the long term.

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