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Speaker 1: Dun Gottlie Fox Sports Radio hosts. We have to stop
Speaker 1: this nonsense about the Packers somehow disrespecting Aaron Rodgers. Hey,
Speaker 1: this is just my opinion. They gave him more money
Speaker 1: than any player in the history of the sport just
Speaker 1: last year. Bringing you the biggest guests. Doug and I
Speaker 1: will never agree on things and better opinions, all right, Wilbon,
Speaker 1: let me start there. It's leavable arrogance. It just is.
Speaker 1: Can you handle it differently? Do people never learn anything
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Speaker 1: the Mercedes Man Cave. This is Dan Patrick. Boy. I
Speaker 1: hope you have YouTube to watch the display that I
Speaker 1: just put on. During the commercial break on radio, we
Speaker 1: were doing cornhole. PAULI and I were out in the
Speaker 1: field house and we're throwing the bags. There a little cornhole.
Speaker 1: Cavella sent us some cornhole, and I put on a clinic,
Speaker 1: dusted Pauli off, and then did a walk off behind
Speaker 1: the back cornhole and I was ready to leave the building,
Speaker 1: and I realized I had two more hours to do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: fellas for the rest of the danis this is a
Speaker 1: direct hit because I pride myself on backyard games with
Speaker 1: a beer in one hand, with my athletic ability. Corn
Speaker 1: Hole's really all I got left. And Dan, who says
Speaker 1: air quotes, he's never played it before. He put two
Speaker 1: in the hole and then they put eight on his
Speaker 1: first run, and then he went behind the back and
Speaker 1: drilled one. Is that good? Like what I did? Is
Speaker 1: that considered good? I'm not quite sure. Still only counts
Speaker 1: for the same points though, So No, it's style points, Seaton.
Speaker 1: That's when you send a message. That's when people go,
Speaker 1: oh man, he's so bored, he's going behind the back.
Speaker 1: That is so typically you too, by the way, it's
Speaker 1: just randomly one behind the back and it goes in.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh god. Yeah, it's like an ESPN. The
Speaker 1: OCHO broadcast the corn hole every year. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: it's sponsored by Johnsonville Broth or something. I'm Dan. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you may have some free time. Yeah, No, that's it.
Speaker 1: One and done. Like I can never be better than
Speaker 1: what I just was, So that's it. I'm done. I retire.
Speaker 1: I'm like David Tyree. I had that one catch and
Speaker 1: then that's it. I never played another game again. All right,
Speaker 1: welcome to the program. We'll check in with Mark g
Speaker 1: and Greco and he you don't you may not know
Speaker 1: the name nationally, but locally in Chicago, he's one of
Speaker 1: the great local sportscasters ever and he was there during
Speaker 1: the Jordan era, and I thought it would be fun
Speaker 1: to get the local take on the Jordan documentary. And
Speaker 1: Gan Greco has some stories to tell with Michael as well.
Speaker 1: Bob Costas will join us coming up in the final
Speaker 1: hour of the program. Baseball is trying their damnedness to
Speaker 1: figure this out, and we're gonna have Bob on to
Speaker 1: talk about that with the divisions that they're talking about,
Speaker 1: the three different divisions here, the likelihood of baseball. And
Speaker 1: also Bob was on the call, I believe for Jordan's
Speaker 1: last game that season of the documentary when he hit
Speaker 1: the shot in Utah. So we'll talk to Bob Costas
Speaker 1: a little bit later on mclovin. What kind of poll
Speaker 1: question do you have for me? Okay, our one was
Speaker 1: which team will end up having the number one pick?
Speaker 1: Jack's still leading Redskins and then Lyons. Third. We've actually
Speaker 1: moved into a movie discussion. We could go that way
Speaker 1: for a poll if you wanted to. Well, what are
Speaker 1: the other poll questions that we were toying with here? Oh? Well,
Speaker 1: I had a pole question. It might be I don't
Speaker 1: know if it's appropriate, but are you more likely to
Speaker 1: watch a NASCAR race because nothing else is going on?
Speaker 1: Do you think the audience would say yes? Because I
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm not sure that sport if you're not
Speaker 1: a fan, that you're gonna jump on. I truly don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know if people would just stop and because
Speaker 1: it's happening live, because NASCAR is coming back this month.
Speaker 1: I don't know I would, But you know, my job
Speaker 1: is to cover all sports and just to sample it
Speaker 1: a little bit, no matter what it is. You know,
Speaker 1: UFC coming back, You know those things. At least you
Speaker 1: have talking points with them. But I don't know if
Speaker 1: people will go if it's soccer they make, they might
Speaker 1: watch soccer. I don't know if they're gonna watch NASCAR
Speaker 1: if they normally don't watch Nascar. Yeah, mclub. What about
Speaker 1: non major golf, which seems like it could really makes
Speaker 1: a lot of sense. People will watch that. Absolutely, you'll
Speaker 1: watch it just because there's escapism there where you're watching
Speaker 1: somebody play golf you might not be able to play golf,
Speaker 1: and just to see how they pulled this off. But yeah, absolutely,
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Speaker 1: We all know the deal with jersey numbers. We saw
Speaker 1: this with Tom Brady. Tom Brady, you know, he goes
Speaker 1: to Tampa and Chris Godwin never really had a chance
Speaker 1: of holding on to number twelve. That was after Brady signed.
Speaker 1: I don't know what kind of agreement they had. You know.
Speaker 1: The development that emerged in Dallas was interesting. The rookie
Speaker 1: wide receiver CD Lamb, he wanted to wear number ten,
Speaker 1: but the jersey with eighty eight showed up on NFL
Speaker 1: Pro Shop and you might say it's just another number,
Speaker 1: but not with the Cowboys. And I do believe Jerry
Speaker 1: Jones had a former teammate at Arkansas whose name I
Speaker 1: think was Jerry Lamb, who wore number eighty eight, and
Speaker 1: I think he was saying to CD Lamb, I really
Speaker 1: really want you to wear a number eighty eight. So
Speaker 1: I got Drew Pearson, Michael Irvin, and Dez Bryant. Based
Speaker 1: on that history, Lamb has got to be good. He'd
Speaker 1: better be good. But you get him at number seventeen.
Speaker 1: Now he's going to try to follow in the footsteps
Speaker 1: of all those great players that wore number eighty A.
Speaker 1: That's pretty good if you're looking. I don't know have
Speaker 1: we ever gotten into numbers because I'm into numerology, but
Speaker 1: the numbers of a franchise. You have eighty eight with
Speaker 1: the Cowboys with Drew Pearson, Michael Irvan and Dez Bryant.
Speaker 1: Those are three great wide receivers. And Drew Pearson should
Speaker 1: be in the Hall of Fame. You got Michael Urban
Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame as well. But I'm trying
Speaker 1: to think if you have that tradition with a team
Speaker 1: where you're wearing and I have no idea, I'm just
Speaker 1: throwing this out. I don't have any research on it,
Speaker 1: but I'm just wondering the number. Is there a position
Speaker 1: with a franchise where you go, Yep, that person wore
Speaker 1: that number. That person wore that number. That person wore
Speaker 1: that number. Yeah. The only one I could think of
Speaker 1: off the top of my head is not pro it's
Speaker 1: college football umber forty four for Syracuse football. I know.
Speaker 1: I think Jim Brown had it, Ernie Davis had it,
Speaker 1: Floyd Little had it, and then they would give it
Speaker 1: to a player, almost like gifting it to that player
Speaker 1: to carry on the tradition. So instead of retiring at
Speaker 1: forty four at Syracuse, they give it to a great,
Speaker 1: usually skill position player. Do you know of any of
Speaker 1: those mclovin No, because my hunches that people avoid the
Speaker 1: great numbers. I'm looking at what and I actually googled
Speaker 1: this and Jim Brown did come up in Syracuse. But
Speaker 1: I'll have a stats take to see if they can
Speaker 1: find any numbers that repeat it. I would think it'd
Speaker 1: be a receiver, right because potobacks don't do the same.
Speaker 1: They want to avoid each other's numbers. Chase Young is
Speaker 1: taking ninety nine. He had two in college at Ohio State.
Speaker 1: And then I started to wonder all the players, great
Speaker 1: players that have worn ninety nine. Warren Sap wore ninety nine,
Speaker 1: Jason Taylor war ninety nine. Those are Hall of Famers,
Speaker 1: JJ Watson Hall of Famer. Aaron Donald's a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 1: Jerome Brown wore ninety nine, Mark Gastineau war ninety nine,
Speaker 1: Dan Hampton, Warren ninety nine, Chase Young wearing number ninety nine.
Speaker 1: That's a pretty good group to follow there of great
Speaker 1: players wearing number ninety nine. Donald Hall of Famer, JJ
Speaker 1: Want Hall of Famer. Jerome Brown was Jerome Brown a
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer. Mclovin. I think he died too early.
Speaker 1: I don't think he did make it. Mark Gastineau did
Speaker 1: not make it into the Hall of Fame. I don't
Speaker 1: think so. No. I mean that's Fritzie's buddy, Dan Hampton
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer, Yes, yeah, he and Richard Dent. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: So I was just wondering about that when you pick
Speaker 1: that number and you're picking ninety nine. Yeah, mclub. I mean,
Speaker 1: is there anyway ceedee Lamb's not gonna be good. I
Speaker 1: know this is a silly reason, but it feels like
Speaker 1: he's really set up. Oh. I love the pick, and
Speaker 1: of course I wanted to see what my Cowboys would
Speaker 1: be the over under, and they're at nine and a half.
Speaker 1: So Tampa is higher than Dallas is at ten wins
Speaker 1: ten feel I feel like they're winning ten this year
Speaker 1: in Tampa, but it still feels a little aggressive, like
Speaker 1: I wish that they weren't. I wish it was nine.
Speaker 1: I'd feel a little better, like, oh, I don't want
Speaker 1: them to be up that high. You know, the Ravens
Speaker 1: had eleven and a half, Kansas City at eleven and
Speaker 1: a half. Who is more likely out of that group
Speaker 1: to surpass eleven and a half? All in on, the
Speaker 1: Ravens had a good draft, Kansas City got a running
Speaker 1: back at the end of the first round. Or you
Speaker 1: have the Saints and the Niners. If I said who
Speaker 1: will have the most wins this year? Or maybe there's
Speaker 1: an outlier there. San Francisco got better, Saints kind of
Speaker 1: status quo, but they did get a center out of Michigan,
Speaker 1: Kansas City, Ravens, and then you started you have to
Speaker 1: look at the divisions. The Chargers may be better, well,
Speaker 1: they should be better than last year. The Raiders won't
Speaker 1: surprise anybody this year. Denver, they got weapons, they should
Speaker 1: be better. Then I look at the Ravens their division.
Speaker 1: The Ravens are the Steelers going to be good? Better,
Speaker 1: a little better than average? Ben is back, how healthy's
Speaker 1: going to be? The Bengals will be a little better,
Speaker 1: but you know that's you know, maybe they get five wins.
Speaker 1: And then you have the Browns, who should be a
Speaker 1: playoff team. What are the Browns at nine and a
Speaker 1: half wins? Oh yeah, they can't be eight and a half.
Speaker 1: They better be at least nine wins this year. I'm
Speaker 1: so gosh. And then you look at these and you go,
Speaker 1: they're just daring you to either go over or under
Speaker 1: on these things. That's why I don't gamble. Do I
Speaker 1: think the Ravens, Chief, Saints or Niners? The division the
Speaker 1: Saints are in with the Buccaneers, Carolina is not very good.
Speaker 1: Atlanta will be a little better, the Niners Cardinals should
Speaker 1: be better. Seattle will be Seattle. And now I got
Speaker 1: the Rams where I'm not quite sure who will have
Speaker 1: the most wins out of there. I'm gonna take the
Speaker 1: Niners just because I think Kansas City well. And you
Speaker 1: know what happens when you lose the Super Bowl, Then
Speaker 1: you end up not doing well the following season. Maybe
Speaker 1: I shouldn't do that, you know, the Saints, that Ravens.
Speaker 1: You know, maybe it's the Ravens again. You know, I
Speaker 1: don't think that they lost much and they certainly gained
Speaker 1: some things. You get a linebacker and you get a
Speaker 1: running back. There. I got another year with Lamar Jackson
Speaker 1: on the job. Yeah, Paul, I had the twenty nineteen
Speaker 1: preseason NFL win totals. The win total over under for
Speaker 1: the Baltimore Ravens last year going into the season was
Speaker 1: eight and a half. They got fourteen wins. For the Niners,
Speaker 1: it was eight and they got thirteen wins. Yeah, those
Speaker 1: are like the overachievers. The Buffalo Bills. The overunder was
Speaker 1: seven last year and they got ten wins. Well, I
Speaker 1: definitely would have put money on my Buffalo Bills last year.
Speaker 1: I thought that they were I think I even said
Speaker 1: they were a ten win team. You're a Chargers. The
Speaker 1: over under last year going to twenty nineteen was nine
Speaker 1: and a half wins. They won five games. Man, that
Speaker 1: one's one of those mind boggling where you go, wait,
Speaker 1: how about, how could you guys with that much talent
Speaker 1: not be competitive? And they weren't even competitive last year.
Speaker 1: Browns were what last year? Palling expected to win nine
Speaker 1: games by Vegas? They won six. Yeah, well, everybody was
Speaker 1: all in on that. They're like, you got Odell Becka,
Speaker 1: there's gotta Baker Mayfield, Yeah, we gotta, we gotta sounds
Speaker 1: a super team, Nick Chubb, They're gonna get Kareem Hunt.
Speaker 1: Halfway through the season. What could go? Just aren't just
Speaker 1: still kind of in on it though you look at
Speaker 1: it and you're like, yeah, I like it. I'm wondering
Speaker 1: what happened though, Seaton, I just I go what happened here? Now?
Speaker 1: Maybe it's it's fred O' kitchens and he just wasn't
Speaker 1: ready to handle that and those personalities. I don't know
Speaker 1: if Stefanski Kevin Stefanski, you know, he's a different guy
Speaker 1: coming in. He learned from Mike Zimmer in Minnesota. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna guess they're probably gonna have less fun than they
Speaker 1: did or thought they were going to, and maybe that's
Speaker 1: a good thing. You know, when the coaches on record
Speaker 1: is saying we're gonna have Baker under our thumb, that
Speaker 1: doesn't strike me as Hey, go out there and have
Speaker 1: some fun. Baker let her rip there, Baker a couple
Speaker 1: of phone calls Craig and Wisconsin joins us. Hi, Craig,
Speaker 1: what do you have for me? Hey, good morning, Dan
Speaker 1: loved the show. First time caller six two and not
Speaker 1: so solid one ninety. You guys were talking about numbers
Speaker 1: with sport franchises. I'm a huge Lions fan, and we're
Speaker 1: not exactly known for winning, but the number twenty, you
Speaker 1: had some fantastic players, Lem Barney, Billy Sims, and Barry
Speaker 1: Sander number twenty yep, and then they retired it. I
Speaker 1: think I believe so. All right, thank you, Craig. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Lem Barney was one of my favorites that just he
Speaker 1: was a great defensive back. And yeah, we're number twenty
Speaker 1: and Billy Sims. I was an Oklahoma fan growing up.
Speaker 1: I just love their running backs. I love their offenses
Speaker 1: at Oklahoma. Remember Jack Mildren was the quarterback when I
Speaker 1: first started watching Oklahoma football. Do it pro it Oklahoma
Speaker 1: would do And of course, you know I would watch
Speaker 1: them just run up to score on Rice and TCU
Speaker 1: in Kansas and all those you know, you're like they
Speaker 1: put up eighty, they put up seventy back then Nebraska
Speaker 1: and Oklahoma. It felt like they had one hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty players on their roster and they were all great players.
Speaker 1: Dirk in Michigan joins us, Hi, Dirk, what do you
Speaker 1: have for me? Hey, Well, Craig just stole my Lions
Speaker 1: number twenties. But I guess my question now is would
Speaker 1: you rather have the Lions number twenties and Lembarney, Billy
Speaker 1: Sims and Barry Sanders or would you take the Cowboys
Speaker 1: eighty eight? I would take your Detroit Lions, Thank you, Dirk. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you gave me Barry Sanders. Barry Sanders is better
Speaker 1: than all the other players in this and you know
Speaker 1: the Cowboys who war number eighty eight. He's better than
Speaker 1: all of those players. Um Lambarney's a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 1: Billy Simms has not even the Heisman, I means, has
Speaker 1: been a great player. And Drew Pearson was a great player.
Speaker 1: And obviously Michael Irvin Hall of Famer. Isaac in Cleveland
Speaker 1: joints us Hey, Isaac, Hey, good morning fell that's how
Speaker 1: are you? Good morning? Awesome? Hey. I've never been on
Speaker 1: the show before, so been listening for a while, So
Speaker 1: happy to happy to be your age, So I am
Speaker 1: a USC trojan. There's a couple of numbers, for sure
Speaker 1: that are a big deal off on the defensive side
Speaker 1: of the ball. Fifty five, so that's Junior say out
Speaker 1: and Willie McK and then there's forty two, which is
Speaker 1: cheap shot writing a lot. And there's there's a couple
Speaker 1: of numbers that nobody actually does want, so thirty two,
Speaker 1: which is the juice, and five, which is Rechid Bush.
Speaker 1: So it's kind of funny. You got numbers both sides
Speaker 1: of the ball. And yeah, all right, we thank thank you, Isaac. Yeah,
Speaker 1: does anybody wear thirty two at USC? And does anybody
Speaker 1: wear five at USC? There are USC fans who will
Speaker 1: not say Reggie Bush's name. They just say five, that's it.
Speaker 1: They refused to say his name after all of this,
Speaker 1: But yeah, Willie, William mcguinnis and Junior Sale wearing fifty five.
Speaker 1: I also had a friend who said, well, you know,
Speaker 1: why did the Cowboys take Cedee Lamb. They didn't need him.
Speaker 1: Last year they had the number two passing offense in
Speaker 1: the league behind Tampa Bay. They had two wide receivers
Speaker 1: with over one thousand yards only the third time in
Speaker 1: their team history. She had Maury Cooper and Michael Gallup.
Speaker 1: Who's you know, a greatly underrated wide receiver. You had
Speaker 1: Tara Owens, Terry Glenn who did it once, Tony Hill
Speaker 1: Andrew Pearson did it once. But why did they take
Speaker 1: Cede Lamb there? I like Cede Lamb. And if you
Speaker 1: give Dak Prescott, it feels like everybody's trying to emulate
Speaker 1: what you have in Kansas City. Get a track team,
Speaker 1: put him out there and let's see what you have.
Speaker 1: You know, you have a good running back, you got
Speaker 1: a good line. Dallas should be the NFC version of
Speaker 1: the Kansas City Chiefs. They should, but you know, they
Speaker 1: didn't even win their division last year. And that's the
Speaker 1: most amazing part of the NFC East. Last year. The
Speaker 1: Giants weren't very good, the Redskins certainly weren't good, and
Speaker 1: the Eagles win the division with all of the injuries
Speaker 1: that they had. Dallas didn't even win the division, and
Speaker 1: I somehow had them with the possibility going to the
Speaker 1: NFC title game. Yes, for Tea. You know what happens
Speaker 1: if CD gets shut down by quarterbacks? Oh boy, there
Speaker 1: we go. I'll give you a couple of seconds no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no. If you get to pay it over with now,
Speaker 1: silence of the lamb. Okay, if he's unproductive, candialism, cannibalism,
Speaker 1: yeah then Todd, No, then you get to doing your
Speaker 1: imperson Go ahead, it places the lotion in the basket.
Speaker 1: It places the lotion in the basket, or it gets
Speaker 1: the hosing. There's a formula that everybody has to understand.
Speaker 1: Todd doesn't mention something unless it leads to something else somehow.
Speaker 1: There's an impersonation of Rocky Sylvester Stallone. I say, you
Speaker 1: can't win. These guys are the machine. You're looking at them,
Speaker 1: rock We don't want this guy. He's got the eye
Speaker 1: a tiger. You can't win. But that's that's not Rocky,
Speaker 1: that's Burgess Meredith. That's I don't know if I do
Speaker 1: a great myth? No, you do? You do? And uh
Speaker 1: from the Simpsons March Simpson. I think that's a I
Speaker 1: think that's a good impersonation. You're watching the Dan Patrick
Speaker 1: Show on YouTube. That's I think that's good. I do.
Speaker 1: I think that's truly good. Yeah, CD lamb that in
Speaker 1: twelve years, we haven't figured out Todd could do these
Speaker 1: impression Yeah, he's kind of shine when it comes to that.
Speaker 1: I'd never heard him do the march, So you havn't no.
Speaker 1: I don't like to be all this time together. We
Speaker 1: never I hate they've been hiding that. And you did?
Speaker 1: You did? Shannon Sharp to Shannon Sharp, I think to
Speaker 1: win ten in a half games. I don't know how
Speaker 1: to win a half a game. But they don't win it.
Speaker 1: After game. They got two Locke, they got they got
Speaker 1: THEMB receiverts Judy, and you got a doctor Phil. You've
Speaker 1: added that to your repertoire. I don't know. You got
Speaker 1: this big fish tank and you don't got no fish
Speaker 1: in it. Why are you behind a fancy quim no picture.
Speaker 1: You're trying to kill a squirrel up in the tree
Speaker 1: with a water girl. Ain't gonna happen. That's why your
Speaker 1: kids are on drugs. That's why your kids are dry.
Speaker 1: You need a call on oscar, but you're calling a
Speaker 1: fired upon it is. It is interesting that doctor Phil
Speaker 1: will start all the way over here. Now look, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm guilty as charge. We'll start with something. I'll go
Speaker 1: all the way over here, and I go, how did
Speaker 1: I get here? Doctor Phil is giving advice to people
Speaker 1: you know that could be life or death. I'm just
Speaker 1: talking sports here. Doctor Phil will give you some analogy
Speaker 1: where you go, wait, what you gotta understand something walking
Speaker 1: around with a last and I'll make you a cowboy. Okay,
Speaker 1: so let's get your kids from home. It means absolutely nothing.
Speaker 1: And they look at him like that's profound. My life
Speaker 1: is gonna be turned around. I'm not gonna be such
Speaker 1: a horder anymore. I'm throwing out stuff. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: you've saved my life. All right, we're gonna take a break.
Speaker 1: We'll check in with the Chicago Bulls. That'll be coming
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Speaker 1: Here's another thing about the Dallas Cowboys that I mean,
Speaker 1: it has to drive you crazy if you're a Cowboys fan,
Speaker 1: and I had such high hopes for this team. Last year,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys outscored their opponents by one hundred and thirteen points.
Speaker 1: Last year, they outgained their opponents by more than one
Speaker 1: hundred yards per game, and they finished eight and eight. Well,
Speaker 1: Cowboy fans kept saying, it's the coach. Well, you've got
Speaker 1: a new coach in there and Mike McCarthy, so we'll
Speaker 1: see if that will produce some dividends there. Also, with
Speaker 1: what you have getting your quarterback Dak Prescott under contract
Speaker 1: as well, that would probably help a little bit because
Speaker 1: you know what you have with Dak Prescott now, I
Speaker 1: had another wide receiver there. That offense should be great
Speaker 1: this year. All right, age seven seven three d P
Speaker 1: show email address DP and Dan Patrick dot com Twitter
Speaker 1: handle GPS show coming up. We'll talk to Mark g
Speaker 1: and Greco. He's one of the great local sportscasters I
Speaker 1: think of all time, and he works for ABC seven
Speaker 1: in Chicago, and I'm curious he was there during the
Speaker 1: Jordan era. He's still there. I want to know what's
Speaker 1: new for the guys who were covering the bulls on
Speaker 1: a daily basis, and what stood out so far and
Speaker 1: what's bigger the eighty five Bears or the Bulls of
Speaker 1: the nineties. Yes, PAULI, I had to admit this. I
Speaker 1: don't think I said this. When I was about seventeen
Speaker 1: years old, we were downtown with my family at a restaurant.
Speaker 1: We saw Mark gan Greco eating quietly having dinner, and
Speaker 1: I went right up whim bothered him in the middle
Speaker 1: of his meal like a total jerk, and asked him
Speaker 1: for an autograph. How old were you, I'm guessing I
Speaker 1: was sixteen or seventies, right before I graduated high school.
Speaker 1: And it was a nice Italian restaurant and he was
Speaker 1: super cool and super nice, and I just couldn't help myself. Again,
Speaker 1: he was a big celebrity. He is a big celebrity
Speaker 1: in Chicago, and I grew up on him. The Cubs
Speaker 1: have retired number thirty one, so that's Fergie Jenkins and
Speaker 1: Greg Maddox the numbers game that we're playing here, we'll
Speaker 1: also have Bob Costas. He'll join us coming up. You know,
Speaker 1: baseball's trying. All these leagues are trying to get back,
Speaker 1: trying to salvage something. How many games figure Bob would
Speaker 1: be great to have on to talk about those possibilities.
Speaker 1: Also to talk to Bob because Bob was there with
Speaker 1: NBC in that last game for Michael Jordan in a
Speaker 1: Bulls uniform, and of course in Salt Lake City, and
Speaker 1: at the time, I didn't know the finality of it.
Speaker 1: Were you out there the whole thing? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I always covered the NBA Finals, But I just remember
Speaker 1: when it was over in your I'm interviewing everybody with
Speaker 1: the Chicago Bulls, and I kept thinking, now they have
Speaker 1: to come to their senses, like they can't end this,
Speaker 1: and then you realize they were going to end this thing.
Speaker 1: I did not know about the quote where Jerry Krause
Speaker 1: says to Phil Jackson, if you go eighty two and oh,
Speaker 1: you don't keep your job. But other than that, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know that much that's jumped out where I go. Boy,
Speaker 1: I did not. I wasn't aware of that. Mark Gi
Speaker 1: and Greco joining us on loan from ABC seven in Chicago,
Speaker 1: and great to have you. Mark, How are you, Dan?
Speaker 1: How are you doing buddy? A long time? Yeah? And
Speaker 1: I was thinking of you yesterday. I rewatched episodes one
Speaker 1: and two and I thought, you don't want Gan Greco
Speaker 1: would be great to talk to because you're in a
Speaker 1: lot of shots. You were there through all of this,
Speaker 1: and I'm curious from a local perspective, what has stood
Speaker 1: out so far? Anything that you don't know through four episodes. Well,
Speaker 1: no breaking news, but there are little vignettes where you forget.
Speaker 1: You know that it's not to laid out chrono logically,
Speaker 1: so you can't rely on a timeline. But there are
Speaker 1: all these little things like Michael playing golf with Danny
Speaker 1: Ainge before they took on the Celtics in the playoffs,
Speaker 1: or you know that All Access crew was in the
Speaker 1: locker room for stuff that we were not privy too,
Speaker 1: so there were some very interesting things. And like you
Speaker 1: alluded to Jerry Krauss saying, I don't care if you
Speaker 1: go eighty two and oh Phil, you're not coming back.
Speaker 1: Little things like that, and you know it's not just
Speaker 1: me obviously. You know every guy and woman who's ever
Speaker 1: covered the Bulls during that ninety eighth season, they're gonna
Speaker 1: get their face shot in there sometime during this documentary.
Speaker 1: I've met with some of my friends as to how
Speaker 1: many times the tip of my nose to hear it
Speaker 1: in all those gang shots, you know. But we were
Speaker 1: were with them over in the France for the McDonald's tournament,
Speaker 1: which was great. But again, you know when they won
Speaker 1: the trophy, Michael's going, this doesn't count. This is ridiculous,
Speaker 1: and they kind of just put the trophy up on
Speaker 1: the locker room shelf there and they walked out like
Speaker 1: you know, stuff like that. Could you feel attention that year, Mark, Oh, absolutely,
Speaker 1: no question. I mean for that to all come out
Speaker 1: before they even started playing was just ridiculous. So again
Speaker 1: shown in the documentary and Michael's like, stop talking me
Speaker 1: about this question. I told you five hundred times not
Speaker 1: coming back. If Phil doesn't come back, Phil's not coming back,
Speaker 1: So I'm not coming back. You're gonna get the same answer.
Speaker 1: But you know, Dan, it's our job that just pound
Speaker 1: away and we really can't appreciate this until now. It's
Speaker 1: taken twenty plus years to sit back and say, wow,
Speaker 1: that was really cool to be part of that, because
Speaker 1: when you're in it, it's like, oh, we got to
Speaker 1: get this interview, we can't get beat. We got to
Speaker 1: do this live shot, and I learned how to moon
Speaker 1: walk backward. It's chasing Michael, Scottie and Dennis up and
Speaker 1: down hallways in every arena in the country, so you know,
Speaker 1: you're just working and grinding out and trying to keep
Speaker 1: up with him. And then you know, it takes years
Speaker 1: to sit back and go, hey, I guess that was
Speaker 1: pretty cool. What isn't being told? Well, here's the thing,
Speaker 1: and I thought Ken Burns made a valid point. Arguably
Speaker 1: the greatest documentary producer ever. I've been watching The Roosevelts
Speaker 1: and everything else, but look, this isn't on PBS. It's
Speaker 1: on ESPN, And just like Michael and every other walk
Speaker 1: of life, he controls the situation. His guy has produced
Speaker 1: it he hand picked everybody, He decides when it's going
Speaker 1: to be released. The whole story is told through him,
Speaker 1: and so some stuff may have hit the cutting room floor,
Speaker 1: some stuff that maybe he didn't want in the documentary
Speaker 1: won't appear. And you know, the director, Jason Hare, you know,
Speaker 1: he agreed. He's like, yeah, this isn't pure journalism. And
Speaker 1: I get what ken Burns is saying, but you know, Dan,
Speaker 1: nobody cares. Everybody's obsessed with it. It's the only thing
Speaker 1: that's going on right now. The ratings are through the roof,
Speaker 1: So journalism be damned, I guess. I also find it
Speaker 1: interesting and ironic that ken Burns, I think, had nine
Speaker 1: episodes of the Civil War. We have ten episodes of
Speaker 1: Michael Jordia of the Poles. Our priorities are in the
Speaker 1: right place. We need ten episode, ten hours to tell
Speaker 1: the story, as opposed to nine hours to tell the
Speaker 1: Civil War. Oh absolutely, But you know, this war lasted
Speaker 1: longer than the Civil War, I think. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: it was ten years of intensity, going through those six
Speaker 1: championships and even you know, chasing Michael back and forth
Speaker 1: from the batting cage to the field when he was
Speaker 1: with the socks in Sarasota in spring training. So you know,
Speaker 1: I had to do this thing with him as he'd
Speaker 1: walk out of the batting cage and go to the field.
Speaker 1: Every single day. I'd walk with him and I say, Mike,
Speaker 1: you got to stop dogging me. Get off me. I'm working,
Speaker 1: Leave me alone. You know you had to just play
Speaker 1: with him, because you know he was mentally exhausted through
Speaker 1: it all. We're talking to Mark g and Greco. He
Speaker 1: works for ABC seven in Chicago. How long you've been
Speaker 1: in Chicago. I'm in my thirty ninth year. Man, It's unbelievable.
Speaker 1: Twelve years with NBC and now twenty seven with ABC.
Speaker 1: Who's bigger the Bears of eighty five or the ninety Bulls?
Speaker 1: Oh great, great question. I think this is still a
Speaker 1: Bears town. I think the aura of Ditka presides over everything.
Speaker 1: I mean, Michael and Ironed michae or the two most
Speaker 1: iconic figures in Chicago sports history. I would have to
Speaker 1: say still the Bears by a nose, my nose. Although
Speaker 1: now everybody's immersed in the Bulls and they'll tell you, well,
Speaker 1: it's got to be the six championships. But I think overall,
Speaker 1: if you step back, it's still the Bears. If you
Speaker 1: could have one question answered by Michael, honest, what would
Speaker 1: it be. Tell me the truth about the whole gambling thing,
Speaker 1: Tell me the truth about why you retired and wanted
Speaker 1: to play baseball, you know. And I think in episode
Speaker 1: seven that's going to be addressed. I'm not sure, but
Speaker 1: it goes back to if Michael is controlling this and
Speaker 1: he gets the final word on everything, how much of
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think this is a total epiphany
Speaker 1: where he's going to go, you know, now I can
Speaker 1: tell the truth. Is David Stern going to say anything?
Speaker 1: You know, he's interviewed for this, David Stern. Everybody has
Speaker 1: been adamant that, hey, Mike did this and he wanted
Speaker 1: to play baseball. And I thought, okay, at the peak
Speaker 1: of your career you want to go play baseball. It
Speaker 1: just you get bored with the NBA, Like how do
Speaker 1: you want to pay tribute to your dad? Like we
Speaker 1: all had those questions at the time. And I was
Speaker 1: there for his retirement ceremony in Chicago, where I go,
Speaker 1: how is this guy retiring? It just didn't make sense.
Speaker 1: It still doesn't make sense that and the whole Isaiah
Speaker 1: Thomas and keeping him off the Dream Team. Oh I know.
Speaker 1: I mean, we're so jaded in cynical and we have
Speaker 1: to think that he's not telling the entire story. And
Speaker 1: why would David Stern say anything now? You want to
Speaker 1: protect the shield, as they used to say about the NFL.
Speaker 1: You want to protect the NBA logo. You don't want
Speaker 1: to mess anything up now and have everybody say, oh
Speaker 1: my god, you guys have been lying to us. We
Speaker 1: suspected this all along. It's just gonna sit this way.
Speaker 1: And for Rod Thorne to say, I love Rod. For
Speaker 1: him to say that Michael never said a word about
Speaker 1: Isaiah when putting together the Dream Team, I mean really,
Speaker 1: And I remember chucked out of our investigative reporter was
Speaker 1: out at practice one day and pressed Michael, you know,
Speaker 1: is that how you're prepared for a playoff game? Gambling
Speaker 1: in Atlantic City? He goes, that's it. Remember he implemented
Speaker 1: the media boycott. He didn't speak to us for months,
Speaker 1: and then finally one day at practice, we're on the road.
Speaker 1: I forget where we were. He looks at me and
Speaker 1: kind of winks and goes, all right, come on, let's
Speaker 1: do it boom, five hundred reporters dive on him and
Speaker 1: foot Still, Michael's gonna He's gonna tell the story the
Speaker 1: way he wants to tell the story. Well, what I
Speaker 1: really enjoy as him cursing every five minutes, because we've
Speaker 1: heard him swear up and down in the locker room
Speaker 1: in the hallway, but this is the first time on
Speaker 1: camera where he's dropping up bombs. And I'm sure there's
Speaker 1: a prop bet on how many once they get that episode.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if we'll ever have an athlete who
Speaker 1: will be this beloved in a team sport. I mean,
Speaker 1: he was feared, but he was beloved. And when he
Speaker 1: went to your arena, you showed up because you wanted
Speaker 1: him to be great. You wanted to see greatness. It
Speaker 1: wasn't one of those unless you're a Pistons fan. You
Speaker 1: showed up, and I think you wanted to be entertained
Speaker 1: by him and by that team. You know, we got
Speaker 1: tired of the Golden State Warriors. That didn't take long
Speaker 1: for us to get tired of that. The Patriots were
Speaker 1: never embraced by America. The Spurs were never embraced the Bulls.
Speaker 1: That was the That was the amazing part of it
Speaker 1: Mark where people loved watching them, even if it meant
Speaker 1: to the detriment of your team. No question, Dan, And
Speaker 1: you know, can you imagine load management implemented in the nineties.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, Michael showed up every single night,
Speaker 1: and he was aware that they all came to see him.
Speaker 1: He's not going to do a Kawhi Leonard and sit
Speaker 1: out a couple of games. Most of these people can't
Speaker 1: afford these tickets. It's a once in a lifetime opportunity
Speaker 1: to have Michael Jordan come in town and see him live.
Speaker 1: And every player was like that. In the nineties, they
Speaker 1: punched you in the face if he tried to come
Speaker 1: in the lane, and they felt an obligation to play
Speaker 1: every night and perform and entertain. It's completely different now.
Speaker 1: Feel free to not answer this, but did you ever
Speaker 1: hit the town with Dennis Rowden. Let's say I was
Speaker 1: having dinner one night and he rolled in with some people.
Speaker 1: And this was maybe ten years ago, not while he
Speaker 1: was playing for the Bulls. I wouldn't go near him
Speaker 1: because you know, I'm a moth to flame. But the
Speaker 1: first thing he said to me was are you still here?
Speaker 1: How he greeted me and I said, yeah, man, but
Speaker 1: always wanted to. And I think he would invite it
Speaker 1: all of us to come out one night, but I
Speaker 1: think we were scared to death. I went out with
Speaker 1: him one night at the Crowbar. Oh yeah, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: driven by there. Decided, you know what, I'm just not
Speaker 1: going to do it because you know, Dan, I'm out
Speaker 1: of suspension. I got a couple of years left on
Speaker 1: ideal and I can't afford to get suspended anymore. So
Speaker 1: we don't need to go down that road of all
Speaker 1: the times you've been suspended. But yeah, I went out
Speaker 1: with Dna. Tell you though, I'll tell you we share
Speaker 1: the same birthday, Vennis and Stevie Wonder and I and
Speaker 1: we're kindred spirits in some really weird, twisted ways. And
Speaker 1: remember the biggest being Cruther's men's store would advertise on
Speaker 1: the building along the Expressway in downtown Chicago, and they
Speaker 1: would have Rodman's mural up there. It's giant face painted
Speaker 1: and he was changing his hair color every week, so
Speaker 1: they had giant pieces of plywood in different colors and
Speaker 1: they would just change his hair every week. I wound
Speaker 1: up with one of those huge pieces of ply with
Speaker 1: in my garage, and I still have no idea I
Speaker 1: got it. It was the pinkish chartruss one and the
Speaker 1: thing was gigantic. It's like ten feet tall and about
Speaker 1: fifteen feet wide. But I think I lost that in
Speaker 1: the divorce too. So he was He was not a
Speaker 1: great interview, but he was a fascinating character that you
Speaker 1: know that Scotty wasn't a great interview, but there was.
Speaker 1: There was a lot of drama surrounding Scottie. Michael could
Speaker 1: be a great interview, and then you had the other
Speaker 1: you know, underlings there. Harp wasn't necessarily a great interview.
Speaker 1: Tony Ko coach Phil could be at times. But oh,
Speaker 1: by the way, we had Charles Barkley on it, and
Speaker 1: Charles said that Jerry Reinsdorf has no blood on his hands.
Speaker 1: All the blood is on Jerry Kraus, which I agree.
Speaker 1: It feels like this was all Jerry Krause, that I
Speaker 1: built it and I tear it down, and Jerry Reinsdorf,
Speaker 1: if the owner had nothing to do with this, is
Speaker 1: that real? Well oh that's not real at all. But Jerry,
Speaker 1: you know, wanted to be a hands off owner and
Speaker 1: so he kind of just let Kraus do what he
Speaker 1: wanted to do, and he respected Kraus as a scout,
Speaker 1: as a judge of talent, as a general manager, both
Speaker 1: in baseball and basketball. He said in the documentary, you know,
Speaker 1: I didn't hire him to win any popularity contest. Jerry
Speaker 1: Kraus rubbed everybody the wrong way. He was the little
Speaker 1: fat guy who wanted to be part of the cool group.
Speaker 1: And what really struck me was we saw this all
Speaker 1: the time, but it just really stung to see it again.
Speaker 1: But Michael and Scottie just abusing Kraus to his face
Speaker 1: and it got so personal. It was like, you know,
Speaker 1: he didn't Kraus didn't like the meet He either, especially
Speaker 1: didn't like a particular group of us. And we're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, this guy was brutal, but it still stung
Speaker 1: to watch him be berated by Scottie and Michael like that.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh God, but I think Rhinsdorff obviously does
Speaker 1: have some blood out of his hands for all of it.
Speaker 1: You gotta be kidding. It's just like Rocky. It's in
Speaker 1: the Blackhawks. Now, Rocky's a handsoff owner. But he finally
Speaker 1: took it upon himself to step in and blow that
Speaker 1: whole thing up. So Jerry Ryan Starr certainly as accountable
Speaker 1: as the owner. Great to talk to you, Mark and
Speaker 1: try not to get in trouble, all right, I want
Speaker 1: Dan it go Flyers. The year that could have been,
Speaker 1: Oh my god. I know Mark gian Greco, sports director
Speaker 1: of ABC seven in Chicago, really one of the great
Speaker 1: local sportscasters in history. Every time you go to Chicago
Speaker 1: and there I was a competitive market, really competitive market,
Speaker 1: and gian Greco they were all and they had to
Speaker 1: be there every single night for Jordan because they you
Speaker 1: can't really describe the I mean it was the circuses
Speaker 1: in town every night and for years it was in town.
Speaker 1: The fact that you know, the Bears were one year
Speaker 1: and then the second year they should have won another
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, but you know that it was a three
Speaker 1: year window for the for the Bears. The Bulls were
Speaker 1: a good eight years and they were a phenomenon. Now
Speaker 1: we loved Magic and Showtime. That's probably as close as
Speaker 1: you would get, I think where you were entertained to
Speaker 1: see something you'd never seen before. When Magic and the
Speaker 1: Lakers and Cream came to town, it felt different. You know,
Speaker 1: those uniforms looked great. You know, the Celtics came to town.
Speaker 1: You know, there was curiosity, I think to see bird
Speaker 1: But I don't think they were ever beloved beholding the
Speaker 1: Bulls were they were loved that and I know it
Speaker 1: sounds like it's an overstatement that they were the Beatles.
Speaker 1: They were the Beatles. They were Take a break. We'll
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Speaker 1: the end, because he took it apart, he didn't take
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Speaker 1: Danny Canells, a former NFL quarterback, and he was on
Speaker 1: the Herd yesterday in Fox Sports Radio, and he had
Speaker 1: this to say about Aaron Rodgers. I would just tweak
Speaker 1: it to say he's Jay Cutler with a ring. You know,
Speaker 1: imagine if he didn't have a Super Bowl win early
Speaker 1: in his career. And I mean clearly he's a better
Speaker 1: quarterback than Jay Cutler statistically, he's been there. But is
Speaker 1: he a leader of men like does he inspire the
Speaker 1: team around him? Watch the quarterbacks that do that. Look
Speaker 1: at Tom Brady, look at Patrick Mahome, look at Peyton Manning,
Speaker 1: look at Drew Brees. And I'll go back to something
Speaker 1: that really bothered me during the NFC game with the
Speaker 1: San Francisco forty nine ers when they were getting beat.
Speaker 1: Do you remember the fumble in that game that Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers hardly even went after? Yea. I talked to a
Speaker 1: bunch of quarterbacks, guys that had played in the NFL,
Speaker 1: and it bothered a lot of them too. That's Danny
Speaker 1: Cannell with the Herd talking about Aaron Rodgers. Now he's
Speaker 1: saying two different things. Here is this about his play,
Speaker 1: his style or his demeanor, because it feels like this
Speaker 1: is his demeanor is more like Jay Cutler. And Jay
Speaker 1: Cutler always seemed like he was removed from his team,
Speaker 1: that he wasn't fully invested, He was lethargic, that nothing
Speaker 1: really got him excited. So Aaron Rodgers is Jay Cutler
Speaker 1: with the ring, which, okay, that's obviously incorrect because he's
Speaker 1: so much better than Jay Cutler. He has one. He
Speaker 1: has a ring. Jay Cutler doesn't. Their demeanors are the same.
Speaker 1: If you want to extract that, okay, but you can't
Speaker 1: say Aaron Rodgers is Cutler with a ring. He is.
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers has a super Bowl ring with the demeanor
Speaker 1: that is similar to Jay Cutler's, but talent wise, it's
Speaker 1: different and results are different than Jay Cutler. I mean,
Speaker 1: I know it feels like it's open season on Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers or it's been that way. And look, I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to be territorial. I admire what he does. I
Speaker 1: do like him, but you know, one day he's gonna
Speaker 1: be done in Green Bay and somebody else is going
Speaker 1: to come in and then we'll move on. It's like,
Speaker 1: how can he replace Brett Farve? Well, we replaced Brett
Speaker 1: Farve and we moved on. That's what happens in sports.
Speaker 1: They come, they go. I've been fortunate to be in
Speaker 1: this business a long time. I see him when they start,
Speaker 1: I see him when they go. Same thing will happen
Speaker 1: to Aaron Rodgers. It's like, who's gonna be how do
Speaker 1: you replace Tom Brady? Somebody eventually will replace Tom Brady.
Speaker 1: Who's gonna replace Joe Montana? Somebody eventually came along and
Speaker 1: replaced Joe Montana. But Aaron Rodgers is not Jay Cutler
Speaker 1: with the ring. Now, it's a nice headline. There, absolutely
Speaker 1: incorrect headline. He has the demeanor of Jay Cutler. I'll
Speaker 1: give you that, yeah, McLevin. I mean it's too far
Speaker 1: to even be a headline. It's not a nice headline
Speaker 1: because it's ridiculous. I don't think you exactly. Well, this
Speaker 1: is like clickbait, that's all that is. But can't you
Speaker 1: name a better quarterback than Jay Cutler? To go? Okay,
Speaker 1: I like you. I'm guessing then that Danny Cannell would
Speaker 1: like Philip Rivers over Aaron Rodgers, right, because you love
Speaker 1: that demeanor. Philip Rivers is all in. He's competitive and
Speaker 1: he's gonna Winston Jamis Winston has got enthusiasm, and I
Speaker 1: want James all right, Maybe I don't. Joe Montana was
Speaker 1: known as Joe Cool. Wait a minute, you're not firing competitive.
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