1 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 1: Quality Times with Joseph Scott More. 2 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:09,479 Speaker 2: We normally start off Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan 3 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:12,480 Speaker 2: telling a story and setting up the topic, but today 4 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 2: is going to be different. Today we're going to talk 5 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 2: about the assassination of Charlie Kirk. Moments after Charlie was shot, 6 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 2: Joe and I were called to go on the air 7 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:26,480 Speaker 2: live and talk about what was happening. When we started broadcasting, 8 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 2: Charlie was still alive and he was on the way 9 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 2: to the hospital when Joe and I got in front 10 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 2: of the camera. 11 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 1: When Charlie Kirk was shot. 12 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 2: Because a lot of us did see it before it 13 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:43,239 Speaker 2: was blurred, I'm still shocked, amazed and saddened that we 14 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 2: saw this because normally we don't. Normally it's as it 15 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 2: is now if you actually find a version of it online, 16 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 2: it's going. 17 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:50,240 Speaker 1: To be blurred. 18 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 2: What did you see in terms of the shot hitting 19 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk, Well, from. 20 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 3: My perspective when I was watching, and I watched one 21 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:05,119 Speaker 3: that was sent to me that was kind of enhanced 22 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 3: a bit, and the shot was tighter. These physiological responses 23 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 3: that you see as he has struck and part of 24 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 3: it also, I think that many people that follow your crime, 25 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 3: and that hear us talk about these sorts of things. 26 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 3: They don't appreciate the horror many times that's involved in 27 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 3: an event like this. How shocking it is not obviously 28 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 3: I mean obviously to the victim, but also those that 29 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 3: are surrounding him. In this particular case, if you go 30 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:39,679 Speaker 3: to the left, to the left of the mid line 31 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 3: of the neck, this is where literally the entrance is 32 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 3: right up above the collar line. It appeared to me 33 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 3: you've got just a copious amount of blood that immediately 34 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 3: begins to issue forth from him. It's been speculated, and 35 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 3: I include myself in that group, that there's high probability 36 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 3: that it nicked probably the juggler as well as perhaps 37 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 3: the carotid, given the amount of blood. Remember, these are 38 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:15,920 Speaker 3: blood supplies and returns for the brain, and the brain 39 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 3: is the most vascular organ in the body. It requires 40 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:22,079 Speaker 3: a lot to function. 41 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 2: Would Charlie Kirk have been aware of what was going 42 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 2: on after that shot? 43 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 3: That's hard to say. That's almost an unanswerable question. I 44 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 3: do know this that if you have seen this image 45 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 3: he draws, you can see him drawing his right hand 46 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 3: up and the thumb appears to be clutched. This is 47 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 3: a neuromuscular response to neurotrauma. You'll see it with the 48 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 3: actually the brain, the brain stem and as well as 49 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 3: the spinal cord. All you got to do is watch 50 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 3: a football game and you'll see people that get their 51 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 3: bell rung. They'll fall to the ground and it almost 52 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:09,079 Speaker 3: looks like a seizure, and then of course he topples 53 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:12,639 Speaker 3: over to his left and begins to bleed out there. 54 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 3: I think there's a high probability that death was probably 55 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 3: pretty quick at this point in time. You know. I 56 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 3: talked to Nancy the other day and I said that, 57 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:25,679 Speaker 3: you know, even if you'd had a group of vascular 58 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 3: surgeons standing right there with him, this is so traumatic 59 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 3: that I don't I think that it probably would have 60 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 3: been unsurvivable based upon what I've seen over the years 61 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 3: and the morgues and you know, and it scenes and 62 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 3: that sort of thing. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this 63 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 3: is bodybacks. One of the interesting images that has emerged 64 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 3: from this the inspection of that alleged sniper's nest, if 65 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 3: we can call it, that is that surface is on 66 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 3: the roof is actually a gravel surface, and there's an 67 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 3: image that has been released of evidence markers around an 68 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 3: area that is literally impressed into that gravel surface that 69 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 3: gives you the impression when you see it that someone 70 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 3: had laid there for a protracted period of time. 71 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 2: Now, okay, on the top of a roof, oftentimes we 72 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 2: have tar and other things like that. Would that gravel 73 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:29,799 Speaker 2: making it a kind of uneven surface? Would that create 74 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 2: a problem for somebody that is laying down to get 75 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:33,119 Speaker 2: the shot. 76 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 3: I wouldn't necessarily think so, particularly if they had any 77 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:42,479 Speaker 3: knowledge of how of the weapon system that they're actually using, 78 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 3: and we don't know all of the details yet. He 79 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:47,840 Speaker 3: may have brought something along to brace himself with. Keep 80 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 3: in mind, this kid actually had a backpack with him, 81 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:58,839 Speaker 3: and in the military, I know from personal experience that 82 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 3: you're trained to use things that, particularly if you're in 83 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 3: a prone position, that can brace your position and that 84 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 3: can that can steady, can steady your side picture. It 85 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:11,359 Speaker 3: wouldn't surprise me if that if the backpack that he 86 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 3: had up there with him may have been used for 87 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 3: that purpose. 88 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 2: Dan Murphy, as a former detective sergeant, you're looking at 89 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 2: this from solving the crime. What is the first step 90 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:27,719 Speaker 2: from the moment you learn that Charlie Kirk has been shot. 91 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 2: You don't know his condition. All you know is we 92 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 2: have a man shot. What is the first thing you 93 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 2: do when you start trying to solve the crime. 94 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 4: First, you have to preserve the scene. The crime scene 95 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:41,040 Speaker 4: is of paramount importance because that is going to live 96 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 4: with you for the remainder of this case. What you grab, 97 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:47,280 Speaker 4: what you don't grab is vital. The second is witnesses, 98 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 4: eyewitnesses grabbing any and everybody that's on the scene that 99 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 4: may have seen something. Today in today's world, we want 100 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 4: to see cell phone coverage, cameras, everyone that was there 101 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 4: who has a cell phone, a shot, any footage, bring 102 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 4: it in and it's all potential evidence. We want to 103 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:06,600 Speaker 4: look around at cameras, surveillance cameras that are part of 104 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 4: the campus. We want to look at everything we can 105 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 4: look at who is parked in the parking lot. This 106 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 4: is a tremendous job that needs to be done by 107 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 4: a lot of people, but it's vital that those steps 108 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 4: begin immediately. 109 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 2: That was Dan Murphy, a former NYPD detective sergeant now 110 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 2: co host of gold Shields podcast. 111 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: Thanks to Dan for joining us. 112 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:29,919 Speaker 2: Now, Joe, you were on a special episode of Crime 113 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 2: Stories with Nancy Grace, and you pointed out a number 114 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 2: of important things that you saw in some of the 115 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:39,280 Speaker 2: pictures that were being released by law enforcement. 116 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 3: Well, I see that he has unngloved hands, and it 117 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:45,719 Speaker 3: looks like in the other shot it looks like he 118 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:48,280 Speaker 3: may be making an effort to grab hold of that rail. 119 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 3: Guess what, how do we know that he didn't touch 120 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 3: any of those surfaces along the way Lacart's principle, every 121 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:58,679 Speaker 3: contact leaves a trace. You cannot be this perfect, all right, 122 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 3: So up there there's going to be information that will 123 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 3: tie him back. I think biological information. We already have 124 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 3: evidence that there may in fact have been a palm 125 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 3: print left behind. You had mentioned a footprint. And also 126 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 3: if the reports are true and we're hearing about this 127 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 3: weapon that may have been recovered, this is going to 128 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 3: be a specific tie back to him, just based upon 129 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 3: the process of purchasing one serial number that's on here. 130 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 3: Any kind of add ons that may be found on 131 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 3: this weapon, I'm thinking like scopes and oh boy, the 132 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 3: ammunition we've got from what they are saying, we have 133 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 3: a spent round that's still chambered because this weapon is 134 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 3: a bolt action. That means you have to actuate the 135 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 3: bolt itself, lift it up, pull it back. That ejects it. 136 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 3: This is not a semi automatic weapon. And then you 137 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 3: force another round in. He never ejected the round, according 138 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 3: to what FBI sources are saying, and there are still 139 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 3: three other live rounds in the internal magazine of this weapon, 140 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 3: and all of them are going to have little bits 141 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 3: that are going to be offered up relative to connectivity 142 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 3: back to this potent, this person potentially, Yeah, the Saint 143 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 3: Dallas nineteen sixty three. You know you're going to have 144 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 3: multiple povs here because, let's face it, lik him or 145 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:41,479 Speaker 3: hate him, He's a media figure. He is he was magnetic, 146 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 3: and people want those kinds of images. It's the world 147 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:50,199 Speaker 3: that we live in today. So you know, one hundred 148 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:54,079 Speaker 3: and eighty degrees probably three hundred and sixty degrees in 149 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 3: his orbit there there were people videotaping. One of the 150 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:00,680 Speaker 3: things that I think that those that are going to 151 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 3: be canvassing the area and talking to folks, they're going 152 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 3: to want to collect those images, particularly those I think 153 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 3: one of the more intriguing images that you would want 154 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 3: is something that is more to Charlie's rear looking back 155 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 3: to where the shooter is. I think that we've had 156 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:20,319 Speaker 3: one of those or two of those that have leaked out. 157 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 3: Trust me, there's more, and you know that's not even 158 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 3: counting Like CCTV. I work at a university, guys. I 159 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 3: got to tell you, I can literally step out of 160 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 3: the door of my building here at jack State onto 161 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 3: the quad and immediately I've got cameras all around me 162 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 3: that are observing me. If you're going to try to 163 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:45,359 Speaker 3: pull something like this off and try to remain anonymous, 164 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:51,559 Speaker 3: bad choice, because there is so much video evidence on 165 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 3: a campus that they can pull it in seconds. I 166 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 3: have dollars to donuts. I guarantee you that the state Police, 167 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 3: probably locals, and certainly the FEDS they descended on the 168 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 3: security area there that controls all of the cameras they 169 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 3: have that data. Trust me not to mention everything else 170 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 3: that's peripheral to that parking lots. We've heard a lot 171 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 3: about ring cams. Oh wow, Yeah, all of the cases 172 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 3: that we cover with Nancy. It seems like in the 173 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 3: last two years, ring cams come into play, don't they. 174 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 3: They're everywhere you know as well, and it's just it's 175 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:31,680 Speaker 3: just that the area where this happened on a university 176 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:35,200 Speaker 3: campus is so tightly monitored, and a lot of it 177 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 3: has to do with student safety. Yeah, bad choice, bad 178 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:42,679 Speaker 3: area to select if you're trying to remain anonymous, Dan, 179 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 3: I want. 180 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 2: To go bank you for a minute. As the investigation 181 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:49,680 Speaker 2: starts getting now, it doesn't stop after the arrest. This 182 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 2: is like the beginning part of the investigation, isn't it. 183 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 3: Yeah. 184 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 4: There's so much work going on behind the scenes right now, 185 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:59,439 Speaker 4: and has been going on since the initial event. Search 186 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 4: warrants have been conducted at his residence, in his car 187 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 4: at many places. The actual owner of the weapon is probably, 188 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 4: no doubt, sitting in the police station right now being 189 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 4: interviewed as to how that weapon got into this guy's 190 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 4: hands if he's not the owner. They are retracing steps. 191 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 4: They are watching video footage, as doctor Scott said before, 192 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 4: not just of the cameras on the campus, but anything 193 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 4: that might have been a trail that led him to 194 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 4: the scene. They're reviewing his credit card and debit card statements. 195 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 4: Where did he make purchases, what did he do recently? 196 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 4: Where has he been looking at his text messages? There 197 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 4: is so much work going on, and so many witnesses 198 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 4: are being interviewed to make a very complete, very large 199 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 4: package that is the investigation that will be the case 200 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:44,199 Speaker 4: that will be presented to a grand jury and ultimately 201 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 4: to a jury. There's a lot of work and it's 202 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 4: all very important and right now I know there's a 203 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 4: lot of boots on the ground in that area doing 204 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:53,679 Speaker 4: that work and in other places too. This is a 205 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 4: massive investigation. 206 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 1: Now. 207 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 2: One thing that we knew from the very beginning was 208 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:01,559 Speaker 2: that we had footprint, We had a palm print, and 209 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 2: possibly a forearm print. I want to stick with the 210 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 2: two that I'm actually familiar with, the footprint and the 211 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 2: palm print. Joseph Scott Morgan, you actually were talking to 212 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:12,599 Speaker 2: me the other day about. 213 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 1: A palm print. 214 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 2: We have a national database of palm prints, just like 215 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 2: we do fingerprints, correct. 216 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:22,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we do. I mean what will happen is 217 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 3: on a fingerprint card when somebody's rolled up and they're 218 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 3: taken into jail, you'll get a series of prints inked 219 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:37,319 Speaker 3: prints in the past. I'm assuming that they can digitize 220 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 3: these as well, and traditionally you'll get an entirety of 221 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:43,959 Speaker 3: a print. It will encompass this. But here's here's the rub. 222 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 3: If this kid has never been hooked up on charges 223 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 3: in the past, guess what, He's not going to be 224 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 3: in that database. So you know, that turns into kind 225 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 3: of a dead end. I was really fascinated, I think 226 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 3: by them talk talking about talking about a forearm that's 227 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 3: not something that you know is normally printed, no, And 228 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 3: I think that that probably goes to some surface that 229 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 3: he's applying pressure to at that point. And we you know, 230 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 3: we excrete sweat and we excrete oil every day as 231 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 3: a matter of fact. That's we don't have fingerprints on 232 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:25,839 Speaker 3: the tips of our fingers. We have friction ridges we 233 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 3: leave behind fingerprints, and so the same thing would apply 234 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:32,679 Speaker 3: with kind of if your skin is greasy, you lay 235 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 3: it on a surface like this. What I'm wondering about, 236 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 3: is this going to be a spot where you can 237 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 3: harvest contact contact biological specimens from I'm thinking probably it 238 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 3: would be evidence rich in the sense that there would 239 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 3: be sweat, there would be oil that's you know, coming 240 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 3: out of the body. And also is there any partial 241 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 3: DNA you know, where you've got trace evidence of DNA 242 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 3: that's degraded skin cell sloughing off. I think that's important. 243 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 3: One other thing I'd love to bring you back to 244 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 3: is going to be these cartridges. You know, there's a 245 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 3: group of people that we forget about in forensics many times, 246 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 3: and that's question documents. They can get exemplars from this 247 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 3: guy relative to what is written on the shell casings, 248 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 3: and they can give you an idea if this, if 249 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 3: this has origins from his actual hand, how you know, 250 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 3: and were they engraved or were they written, you know, 251 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 3: because we don't know at this point. 252 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 2: Well, we've heard the term engraved and my first thought 253 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 2: was did they have a diamond tip thing putting it 254 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 2: on there? Or was that just an expression of using 255 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 2: a sharpie? 256 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. So again back to Dan's point, this investigation 257 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 3: is so layered and so very intense that we're not 258 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 3: going to have all of this data at one time. 259 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 3: Don't expect it. As a matter of fact, I would 260 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 3: probably after this period of time, I would imagine we'll 261 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 3: see a lessening of information that's being released because they're 262 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 3: trying to put together a packet at this point Tom 263 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 3: to bring this guy up on charges, and it's like 264 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 3: playing poker man. You're not going to show your hand. 265 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 3: I know the public won'ts thee information. You'll hear things 266 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 3: from peripheries, but I would imagine that the authorities are 267 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 3: probably going to shut it down pretty quickly relative to 268 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 3: how much data is going to be coming out, because 269 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 3: they're going to be putting together a case. This is 270 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 3: where this begins. 271 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 2: At this point, right before this happened, he actually posted 272 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 2: a video on x of him throwing out hats, turning 273 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 2: point hats and the crowd was going crazy. But it 274 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 2: was set up so that there was one group of 275 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 2: people that was up close, then there was like a 276 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 2: break of people like an aisleway, and then another group 277 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 2: of people behind that. There is security all around, and 278 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 2: he was under tent where he was actually beginning to speak. 279 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 2: And as I said, this is before he actually begins 280 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 2: his actual speech. He's actually doing a quick Q and A. 281 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 2: It's about two minutes in when the shot was fired. 282 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 2: You saw the shot, You saw his I saw his 283 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 2: shirt puff out. That's what I saw in that video. 284 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 2: Did you guys see the same thing. 285 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 3: Joe, Well, for me, my focus really wasn't on the shirt, 286 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 3: on the shirt itself, it was literally watching his hands 287 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 3: and seeing his response. He kind of listed to his 288 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 3: left and fell out of the chair, and it was 289 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 3: it was really quick. The movement of a shirt would 290 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 3: not surprise me, because there's kind of a concussive element 291 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 3: that comes along with the round striking. Many times. One 292 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 3: of the things that really stood out to me is 293 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 3: this drawing of the arms up with the clinching of 294 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 3: the thumbs, which you know many times. I think that 295 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 3: anybody that watches NFL football or college football, you see 296 00:16:55,640 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 3: these these players that have concussions, that have neuro problems 297 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 3: as a result of getting their cage ratt all that 298 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 3: sort of thing. You know, again, we don't have definitive 299 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 3: diagnostic evidence of this, but you know, you're just visualizing this, 300 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 3: you kind of get a sense that something neurologically is 301 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:18,199 Speaker 3: going on here. And he shot in the neck. I mean, 302 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:21,639 Speaker 3: let's face it, you know, we don't know how extensive 303 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 3: that is. Yeah, from what we're hearing right now, estimates 304 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 3: are that this shot took place at almost a range 305 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 3: of approximating two hundred yards away, So that means that 306 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:36,680 Speaker 3: someone would have had to have gone to the trouble 307 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 3: of zeroing a weapon. I imagine this is a long 308 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 3: arm and probably scoped at a two hundred yard range 309 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 3: and it was all witnesses are reporting that all they 310 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 3: heard was a single shot that was fired and the 311 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:57,239 Speaker 3: fact that it was the target area is such a 312 00:17:57,280 --> 00:18:00,360 Speaker 3: small area that gives you an idea of the person. 313 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:04,359 Speaker 2: Joe, you mentioned distance of fire and possibly using a 314 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 2: long rifle, which we don't know yet. We just know 315 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 2: this is what we're hearing. None of this is confirmed, 316 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 2: but two hundred yards away with. 317 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 1: A long rifle. 318 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 2: What kind of a rifle can shoot that far and 319 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 2: that accurate? 320 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 3: Well, any any military grade weapon, hunting rifle. You know, 321 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 3: I think that people to want to be, if they 322 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:30,199 Speaker 3: want to spot on accuracy, would probably have scoped weapon 323 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:33,879 Speaker 3: long arm, if you know, because if you if you 324 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:36,679 Speaker 3: think about an idea of someone firing actually a hand 325 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 3: a handheld weapon like a handgun, the range of fire 326 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 3: on those is not is not as robust as a 327 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 3: long arm. You know, we talk a lot about the 328 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:55,160 Speaker 3: ballistic nature of rifled rounds, and pistols are rifled. However, 329 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 3: that longer barrel facilitates that retention of energy. As this 330 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 3: round travels down down range, you're also going to have 331 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:08,479 Speaker 3: what's called drop with a round the further downrange it goes, 332 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 3: the round begins is the nature of gravity will pull 333 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 3: that round down toward Earth, So you have to be 334 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 3: able to adjust your fire. At about two hundred yards 335 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 3: you'll get somewhat of a drop. The idea that somebody 336 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:28,120 Speaker 3: using an iron sight from that range and being that exact, 337 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 3: they would have to be one hell of a shot 338 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:33,439 Speaker 3: in order to do that. My suspicion is it might 339 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 3: be a scope weapon at that kind of range. 340 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 2: Year old Tyler Robinson has been officially charged with the 341 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 2: assassination of Charlie Kirk. Utah County District Attorney Jeffrey Gray 342 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 2: said his office had filed seven counts against Robinson, including 343 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:04,879 Speaker 2: aggravated murder, obstruction of justice for disposing of evidence, and 344 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 2: witness tampering. Robinson made an initial court appearance via video 345 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 2: feed from jail yesterday. He spoke only once when asked 346 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 2: to state his name. What follows is the court document 347 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:21,119 Speaker 2: that was filed that lays out the state's case against 348 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 2: Tyler Robinson. State of Utah plaintiff versus Tyler James Robinson 349 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:30,640 Speaker 2: eight ninety four West Semaran Drive, Washington, Utah eight four 350 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 2: seven eight zero. Date of birth four sixteen, two thousand 351 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 2: and three. The State of Utah, by and through the 352 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 2: Utah County Attorney's Office, charges the defendant with the commission 353 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:47,640 Speaker 2: of the following offenses. Count one aggravated murder, a capital felony, 354 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:51,640 Speaker 2: and violation of Utah Code annotated in that on September tenth, 355 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, in Utah County, the defendant, Tyler James Robinson, 356 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 2: intentionally or knowingly caused the death of Charlie Kirk under 357 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:03,880 Speaker 2: the following circumstances. The defendant knowingly created a great risk 358 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 2: of death to another individual other than Charlie Kirk, and 359 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:10,879 Speaker 2: the defendant notice. Conviction of this offense may carry the 360 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 2: death penalty or, pursuant to Utah Code seven to six 361 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:17,440 Speaker 2: dish three dish to zero seven point seven, a mandatory 362 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 2: term of imprisonment for life without parole, or an indeterminate 363 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,680 Speaker 2: term of not less than twenty five years, and that 364 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 2: may be for life. Victim targeting enhancement in violation of 365 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 2: Utah Code annotated seven six dish three desh two zero 366 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 2: three dot fourteen, Tyler James Robinson intentionally selected Charlie Kirk 367 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 2: because of Tyler James Robinson's belief or perception regarding Charlie 368 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 2: Kirk's political expression. Notice, If the trier of fact finds 369 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 2: beyond reasonable doubt that the victim targeting enhancement applies, the 370 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 2: sentencing judge or the Board of Pardons in Parole shall 371 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 2: consider the defendant selection of the victim as an aggravating factor. 372 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 2: Violent offense committed in the presence of a child aggravating factor. 373 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:05,400 Speaker 2: The sentencing judge or the Board of Pardon and prol 374 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:09,119 Speaker 2: shall consider as an aggravating factor in their deliberations that 375 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 2: the defendant committed a violent criminal offense in the presence 376 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 2: of a child. Count two felony discharge of a firearm 377 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:20,120 Speaker 2: causing serious bodily injury a first degree felony in violation 378 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 2: of Utah Code annotated seven to six, DASH, one to one, 379 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 2: DISH two one zero and three C in that on 380 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:30,119 Speaker 2: September ten, twenty twenty five, in Utah County, the defendant, 381 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 2: Tyler James Robinson, discharged a firearm in the direction of 382 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk, knowing or having reason to believe that Charlie 383 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 2: Kirk may be endangered by the discharge of the firearm, 384 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 2: and the act caused serious bodily injury to Charlie Kirk 385 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 2: victim targeting enhancement in violation of Utah Code annotated seven 386 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 2: to six Dash three dish two zero three point one four. 387 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 2: Tyler James Robinson intentionally selected Charlie Kirk because of Tyler 388 00:22:56,720 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 2: James Robinson's belief or perception regarding Charlie Kirk's political expression. 389 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 1: Notice. 390 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,679 Speaker 2: If the trier of fact finds beyond reasonable doubt that 391 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 2: the victim targeting enhancement applies, in the sentencing judge or 392 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:12,120 Speaker 2: the Board of Pardons in Parole shall consider the defendant 393 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 2: selection of the victim as an aggravating factor. Violent offense 394 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:20,159 Speaker 2: committed in the presence of a child aggravating factor. The 395 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,160 Speaker 2: sentencing judge or the boarden of Pardons in Parole shall 396 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 2: consider as an aggravating factor in their deliberations that the 397 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,680 Speaker 2: defendant committed a violent criminal offense in the presence of 398 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 2: a child. Count three Obstruction of justice, a second degree 399 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 2: felon the in violation of Utah Code annotated seven to 400 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 2: six h eighth three zero six, and that on September ten, 401 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, in Utah A County, the defendant, Tyler 402 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 2: James Robinson would intend to hinder, delay, or prevent the investigation, apprehension, prosecution, conviction, 403 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 2: or punishment of any person regarding conduct that constitutes criminal offense. 404 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 2: See concealed or remove The firearm used to shoot Charlie Kirk, 405 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,879 Speaker 2: and the conduct that constitutes an offense would be a 406 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:06,119 Speaker 2: capital felony or first degree felony. Count four Obstruction of 407 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:09,880 Speaker 2: justice a secondary felony in violation of Utah Code annotated 408 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 2: seven to six Dash eight Dash three zero six. In 409 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 2: that honor, about September eleven, twenty twenty five, in Utah County, 410 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:20,880 Speaker 2: the defendant, Tyler James Robinson, would intent to hinder, delay, 411 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:26,399 Speaker 2: or prevent the investigation, apprehension, prosecution, conviction, or punishment of 412 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 2: any person regarding conduct that constitutes a criminal offense. See destroyed, concealed. 413 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 1: Or removed. 414 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 2: The clothing he wore during the shooting, and the conduct 415 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 2: that constitutes an offense would be a capital felony or 416 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 2: first degree felony. Count five Tampering with a witness a 417 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 2: third degree felony in violation of Utah Code annotated seven 418 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 2: to six Dash eight Dash five zero eight. In that honor, 419 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:54,639 Speaker 2: about September ten, twenty twenty five in Utah County. The defendant, 420 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:59,719 Speaker 2: Tyler James Robinson, believed that an official proceeding or investigation 421 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 2: would pending, or about to be instituted, or intended to 422 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 2: prevent an official preceding or investigation, and attempted to induce 423 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 2: or otherwise cause his roommate to withhold testimony, information, a document, 424 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 2: or an item to wit, directing his roommate to delete 425 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 2: incriminating text messages. Count six Tampering with a witness, a 426 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 2: third degree felony in violation of Utah Code annotated seven 427 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,640 Speaker 2: to six eight Nash five zero eight and met honor. 428 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 2: About September eleventh, twenty twenty five, in Utah County, the defendant, 429 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 2: Tyler James Robinson, believed that an official preceding or investigation 430 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,159 Speaker 2: was pending or about to be instituted, or intended to 431 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:42,680 Speaker 2: prevent an official preceding or investigation, and attempted to induce 432 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:46,360 Speaker 2: or otherwise cause his roommate to withhold testimony or information 433 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 2: to wit, directing his roommate to stay silent if police 434 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:55,399 Speaker 2: questioned his the roommate. Count seven Violent offense committed in 435 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,879 Speaker 2: the presence of a child a Class A misdemeanor in 436 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 2: violation of Utah Code annotated seven six desh three dash 437 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,680 Speaker 2: to zero three point one zero and seven six dash 438 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 2: three dish two zero three point one four. In that honor, 439 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,640 Speaker 2: about September ten, twenty twenty five, in Utah County, the defendant, 440 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,119 Speaker 2: Tyler James Robinson, committed criminal homicide in the physical presence 441 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:17,200 Speaker 2: of a child younger than fourteen years old, with knowledge 442 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,359 Speaker 2: that a child was present and may have seen or 443 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 2: heard the commission of the criminal homicide victim targeting enhancement 444 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 2: in violation of Utah Code annotated seven to six dash 445 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,920 Speaker 2: three dsh to zero three point one four. Tyler James 446 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 2: Robinson intentionally selected Charlie Kirk because of James Tyler Robinson's 447 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:41,680 Speaker 2: belief or perception regarding Charlie Kirk's political expression. Probable cause statement. 448 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 2: Brian Davis of the Utah State Bureau of Investigation, having 449 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:49,159 Speaker 2: probable cause to believe that the defendant committed the above 450 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 2: listed defense, submitted the following evidence in support of the 451 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:57,160 Speaker 2: filing of this information. On September tenth, twenty twenty five, 452 00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 2: at approximately twelve twenty three pm, Charlie Kirk was shot 453 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 2: and killed while speaking to a large crowd on the 454 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 2: campus of Utah Valley University in Oorum, Utah Counts one two. 455 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 2: Police found the suspected murder weapon, a Bold Action thirty 456 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 2: odd six rifle, nearby. Over the next approximately thirty three hours, 457 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 2: police conducted a man hunt for the shooter until the 458 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,200 Speaker 2: evening of September eleventh, twenty twenty five, when Tyler James 459 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,920 Speaker 2: Robinson surrendered to police at the Washington County Sheriff's Office. 460 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 2: DNA consistent with Robinson was found on the rifle's trigger. 461 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 2: After shooting mister Kirk, Robinson hid the gun, discarded the 462 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 2: clothing he wore when he fired the rifle, and told 463 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:43,680 Speaker 2: his lover slash roommate to delete incriminating text messages and 464 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,879 Speaker 2: not to talk to police. Children were present at the 465 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 2: time of the shooting. The shooting, Turning Point USA, a 466 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 2: nonprofit organization founded in twenty twelve by Charlie Kirk, organized 467 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 2: a public outdoor event to be held at noon on 468 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,919 Speaker 2: September tenth, twenty twenty five, at us. The event was 469 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 2: the first in a series of similar events to be 470 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,640 Speaker 2: held at college campuses nationwide. Mister Kirk is a well 471 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 2: known conservative activist, famous for these types of events, where 472 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 2: he discusses various political issues and debates with audience members. 473 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,399 Speaker 2: His events and comments have garnered a significant number of 474 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,359 Speaker 2: supporters and drawn the ire of many who disagree with 475 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 2: his political views. The event at UVU was announced far 476 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 2: in advance and garnered significant publicity and interest. Consequently, several 477 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:34,679 Speaker 2: hundred people attended. Mister Kirk was interacting with the crowd 478 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 2: before the event officially got under way. Then, approximately at noon, 479 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 2: mister Kirk seated himself under a portable canopy behind a 480 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:45,480 Speaker 2: table and microphone. He began speaking to the crowd and 481 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 2: fielding questions from attendees, a format mister Kirk commonly used 482 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,960 Speaker 2: at his events. Mister Kirk allowed his questioners to approach 483 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,240 Speaker 2: a microphone position directly in front of him. Mister Kirk's 484 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 2: team members were very close to him on his right 485 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 2: and left, as well, tell of some behind his canopy 486 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 2: and others at various close locations near him. The large 487 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 2: crowd surrounded mister Kirk on three sides. Temporary metal fencing 488 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 2: separated attendees from mister Kirk by only a matter of feet. 489 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 2: Directly above and behind mister Kirk was the UVU haul 490 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 2: of flags, an indoor walkway spanning several hundred feet with 491 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 2: floor to ceiling glass windows, which overlooked the plaza where 492 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 2: mister Kirk was seated. 493 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 1: People were in the walkway at the time of the shooting. 494 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,479 Speaker 2: Approximately fifteen minutes into the event, mister Kirk was answering 495 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 2: a question about mass shootings by transgender individuals when a 496 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 2: gunshot rang out. The bullet struck mister Kirk in the neck. 497 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 2: He slumped to the ground almost immediately. The bullet's trajectory 498 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 2: passed closely to several other individuals beside mister Kirk, including 499 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 2: the questioner who was standing directly in front of mister Kirk. 500 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 2: Children were visible near mister Kirk's stage when each was shot. 501 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 2: Mister Kirk was rushed to a nearby hospital, where he 502 00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 2: was declared to ceased. The medical examiner's report his pending 503 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 2: the UVU surveillance investigation. At the moment of the shot, 504 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,720 Speaker 2: a UVU police officer was watching the crowd from an 505 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 2: elevated vantage point. As soon as he heard the shot, 506 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 2: he began to scan the area for threats. Believing the 507 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 2: shot came from a rifle because of its sound, He 508 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:21,280 Speaker 2: looked for potential sniper positions. He noted a roof area 509 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 2: approximately one hundred and sixty yards away from mister Kirk 510 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,240 Speaker 2: as a potential shooting position and rushed there to look 511 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 2: for evidence. The suspected shooting position is adjacent to an open, 512 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 2: publicly accessible walkway. To access the suspected location, a person 513 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 2: must climb over a railing and then drop to the 514 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 2: roof only slightly below The UVU officer climbed over the 515 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,480 Speaker 2: railing and down onto the roof. He then walked to 516 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 2: the suspected shooting position and confirmed a clear shooting corridor 517 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 2: between the position and mister Kirk's seat. He also noticed 518 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 2: markings in the gravel rooftop consistent with a sniper having 519 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 2: lain on the roof, impressions in the gravel potentially left 520 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 2: by the elbows, knees, and feet of a person in 521 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 2: a prone shooting position. Police reviewed surveillance from the camera 522 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 2: covering the roof and discovered that it recorded an individual 523 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 2: dressed in dark clothing, crossed the railing from the public 524 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 2: walkway and dropped onto the roof at approximately twelve fifteen PM. 525 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 2: Although the individual moved out of the camera's view for 526 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 2: a short time, the camera again captured the individual running 527 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 2: across the roof and then low crawling to the area 528 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 2: the UVU officer recognized as where the suspected sniper had 529 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 2: dropped into a prone shooting position. After a short time, 530 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:43,800 Speaker 2: which matches the known time of the shot, the individual 531 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 2: arose and ran across the roof to the northeast. The 532 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 2: discovery led to an intensive review of UVU of surveillance 533 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 2: recordings to attempt to track and identify the suspect. Surveillance 534 00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 2: revealed the following At approximately eleven fifty one am, the 535 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 2: suspect entered campus from the north. He is seen wearing 536 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,560 Speaker 2: a black shirt with an American flag in its center, 537 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,680 Speaker 2: a dark baseball calf, and large sunglasses. Throughout the surveillance, 538 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 2: the suspect keeps his head down and rarely raises his 539 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,479 Speaker 2: head enough to get a clear image of his face. 540 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,200 Speaker 2: As he proceeds across campus, he is seen walking with 541 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 2: an unusual gate. The suspect walks with very little bending 542 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:28,320 Speaker 2: in his right leg, consistent with a rifle being hidden 543 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 2: in his pants. This unusual gate continues until the suspect 544 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 2: is seen crossing the railing off the open walkway and 545 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 2: onto the roof, where he leaves the camera's view. A 546 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 2: camera later captures the suspect as he runs across the 547 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 2: roof to the suspected shooting position. Immediately after the shot 548 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 2: was fired, a camera captures the suspect running across the 549 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 2: roof carrying an item whose shape is consistent with a rifle. 550 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 2: The suspect is then seen climbing down from the roof. 551 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 2: He appears to drop the item he was carrying as 552 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 2: he hits the ground in a controlled fall. He then 553 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 2: picks up the item and runs toward the northeast end 554 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 2: of the campus. Expanded crime scene investigation law enforcement officers 555 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 2: followed the suspect's escape path to the northeast end of 556 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 2: the campus, where they believed the suspect left campus and 557 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 2: entered a wooded area. In that wooded area, investigators found 558 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 2: a bolt action rifle wrapped in a towel. The rifle 559 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:33,880 Speaker 2: contained one spent round and three unspent rounds. This is 560 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:37,240 Speaker 2: consistent with the fax officers observed at the time of 561 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 2: and immediately after the shooting. No shell casings were found 562 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 2: on the roof, suggesting a bolt action rather than an 563 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,840 Speaker 2: auto loading weapon, and only a single round was fired. 564 00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 2: Each round in the rifle contained an etched inscription as follows. 565 00:33:53,160 --> 00:34:03,520 Speaker 2: Fired cartridge, No, tyic's bulge. O wo, what's this? Second cartridge? 566 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:05,840 Speaker 1: Hey? Fascist? Catch? 567 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 2: Third cartridge? Oh bella chow bella chow bella chow chow chow. 568 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:19,799 Speaker 2: Fourth cartridge. If you read this, you are gay LMAO. 569 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:26,200 Speaker 2: The rifle, ammunition, rounds, and towels were sent for forensic processing. 570 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,879 Speaker 2: DNA consistent with Robinson's was found on the trigger, other 571 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:33,279 Speaker 2: parts of the rifle, the fired cartridge, casing, two of 572 00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:37,360 Speaker 2: the three unfired cartridges, and the towel. Law enforcement was 573 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:41,000 Speaker 2: unable to immediately locate the shooter, so they published photos 574 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,080 Speaker 2: of the shooter from the UVU surveillance cameras and asked 575 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:48,080 Speaker 2: for the public's help to identify him. Meanwhile, law enforcement 576 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,680 Speaker 2: continued to try to identify the shooter through other means 577 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:56,480 Speaker 2: the Washington County Investigation. On the evening of September eleven, 578 00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:00,680 Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, as law enforcement continued their investigation, Tyler 579 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,040 Speaker 2: James Robinson went to the Washington County Sheriff's office with 580 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:07,279 Speaker 2: his parents and a family friend to turn himself in. 581 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:11,880 Speaker 2: Robinson's mother stated the following to police On September eleven, 582 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, the day after the shooting, Robinson's mother 583 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 2: saw the photo of the shooter in the news and 584 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:21,360 Speaker 2: thought the shooter looked like her son. Robinson's mother called 585 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,040 Speaker 2: her son and asked him where he was. He said 586 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,160 Speaker 2: he was at home sick, and that he had also 587 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:30,320 Speaker 2: been at home sick on September tenth. Robinson's mother expressed 588 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:34,440 Speaker 2: concern to her husband that the suspected shooter looked like Robinson. 589 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:39,319 Speaker 2: Robinson's father agreed. Robinson's mother explained that over the last 590 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,480 Speaker 2: year or so, Robinson had become more political and had 591 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,799 Speaker 2: started to lean more to the left, becoming more pro 592 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,839 Speaker 2: gay and trans rights oriented. She stated that Robinson began 593 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:54,440 Speaker 2: to date his roommate, a biological male who was transitioning genders. 594 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:58,320 Speaker 2: This resulted in several discussions with family members, but especially 595 00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:02,240 Speaker 2: between Robinson and his father, who have very different political views. 596 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:06,400 Speaker 2: In one conversation before the shooting, Robinson mentioned that Charlie 597 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,640 Speaker 2: Kirk would be holding an event at UVU, which Robinson 598 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:13,600 Speaker 2: said was a quote stupid venue. For the event, Robinson 599 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:18,600 Speaker 2: accused Kirk of spreading hate. Robinson's father reported that when 600 00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,480 Speaker 2: his wife showed him the surveillance image of the suspected 601 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,960 Speaker 2: shooter in the news. He agreed that it looked like 602 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,120 Speaker 2: their son. He also believed that the rifle that police 603 00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,400 Speaker 2: suspected the shooter used matched a rifle that was given 604 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:34,000 Speaker 2: to his son as a gift. As a result, Robinson's 605 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,359 Speaker 2: father contacted his son and asked him to send a 606 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:41,040 Speaker 2: photo of the rifle. Robinson did not respond. However, Robinson's 607 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,680 Speaker 2: father spoke on the phone with Robinson, Robinson implied that 608 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,799 Speaker 2: he planned to take his own life. Robinson's parents were 609 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,879 Speaker 2: able to convince him to meet at their home. As 610 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:54,040 Speaker 2: they discussed the situation, Robinson implied that he was the 611 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,680 Speaker 2: shooter and stated that he couldn't go to jail and 612 00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,440 Speaker 2: just wanted to end it. When asked why he did it, 613 00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:03,439 Speaker 2: and explained, there is too much evil and the guy 614 00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:07,480 Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk spreads too much hate. They talked about Robinson 615 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,080 Speaker 2: turning himself in and convinced Robinson to speak with a 616 00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:13,440 Speaker 2: family friend who was a retired deputy sheriff. At robinson 617 00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,520 Speaker 2: father's request, the family friend met with Robinson and his 618 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:20,360 Speaker 2: parents and convinced Robinson to turn himself in. The family 619 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,759 Speaker 2: friend spoke to police and reported telling Robinson that it 620 00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,600 Speaker 2: would be best if he brought all evidence with him 621 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,239 Speaker 2: to the Sheriff's office to avoid police having to search 622 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,960 Speaker 2: his parents home. The family friend also asked Robinson if 623 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,560 Speaker 2: he had any clothes that were related to what he did. 624 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,840 Speaker 1: Robinson replied that he had disposed of his clothes in 625 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,160 Speaker 1: different areas. The roommate. 626 00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:45,840 Speaker 2: Police interviewed Robinson's roommate, a biological male who was involved 627 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:50,000 Speaker 2: in a romantic relationship with Robinson. The roommate told police 628 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,600 Speaker 2: that the roommate received messages from Robinson about the shooting 629 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:57,680 Speaker 2: and provided those messages to police. On September ten, twenty 630 00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:01,319 Speaker 2: twenty five, the roommate received a text mesas Robinson which 631 00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:05,520 Speaker 2: said drop what you're doing. Looked under my keyboard. The 632 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:09,720 Speaker 2: roommate looked under the keyboard and found a note that stated, quote, 633 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,880 Speaker 2: I had the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk and 634 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,480 Speaker 2: I'm going to take it unquote. Police found a photograph 635 00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:21,280 Speaker 2: of this note. The following text exchange then took place. 636 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,399 Speaker 2: After reading the note, the roommate responded to quote, what 637 00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:31,280 Speaker 2: question mark? You're joking right, Robinson? I am still okay. 638 00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,280 Speaker 2: My love, but am stuck in orum for a little 639 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,680 Speaker 2: while longer yet, shouldn't be long until I can come home. 640 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:39,760 Speaker 1: But I got to grab my rifle still. 641 00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,400 Speaker 2: To be honest, I had hoped to keep this secret 642 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,560 Speaker 2: till I died of old age. I'm sorry to involve you. 643 00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:54,120 Speaker 2: The roommate writes, you weren't the one who did it, right, Robinson, 644 00:38:54,840 --> 00:39:01,960 Speaker 2: I am. I'm sorry, roommate. I thought they caught the person, Robinson. Nope, 645 00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,680 Speaker 2: they grabbed some crazy old dude, then interrogated someone in 646 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,680 Speaker 2: similar clothing. I had planned to grab my rifle from 647 00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:11,520 Speaker 2: my drop point shortly after, but most of that side 648 00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,960 Speaker 2: of town got logged down. It's quiet, almost enough to 649 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:19,640 Speaker 2: get out, but there's one vehicle lingering. Roommate. Why Robinson? 650 00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:24,879 Speaker 2: Why did I do it? Roommate, Yeah, Robinson, I had 651 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,719 Speaker 2: enough of his hatred. Some hate can't be negotiated out. 652 00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:32,000 Speaker 2: If I'm able to grab my rifle unseen, I will 653 00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:35,280 Speaker 2: have left no evidence. Going to attempt to retrieve it again. 654 00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,560 Speaker 2: Hopefully they've moved on. I haven't seen anything about them 655 00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:42,880 Speaker 2: finding it. Roommate, how long have you been planning this, Robinson? 656 00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:45,920 Speaker 2: A bit over a week. I believe I can get 657 00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,480 Speaker 2: close to it, but there's a squad car park right 658 00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:50,840 Speaker 2: by it. I think they already swept that spot, but 659 00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:55,200 Speaker 2: I don't want to chance it. Robinson, I'm wishing I 660 00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:57,480 Speaker 2: had to circle back and grabbed it as soon as 661 00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:00,000 Speaker 2: I got to my vehicle. I'm worried what my old 662 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,120 Speaker 2: old man would do if I didn't bring back Grandpa's rifle. 663 00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:07,280 Speaker 2: If it had a serial number, but it wouldn't trace 664 00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,319 Speaker 2: to me. I worry about Prince. I had to leave 665 00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:13,239 Speaker 2: it in a bush where I changed outfits, didn't have 666 00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,279 Speaker 2: the ability or time to bring it with. I might 667 00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,040 Speaker 2: have to abandon it and hope they don't find Prince. 668 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,440 Speaker 2: How the blank will I explain losing it to my 669 00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,880 Speaker 2: old man? The only thing I left was the rifle 670 00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:30,520 Speaker 2: wrapped in a towel. Remember how I was engraving bullets. 671 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,719 Speaker 2: The blanking messages are mostly a big meme. If I 672 00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:39,799 Speaker 2: see quote notices bulge uwu unquote on Fox News, I 673 00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,640 Speaker 2: might have a stroke. All right, I'm going to have 674 00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:47,680 Speaker 2: to leave it. That really effing sucks. Judging from today, 675 00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,320 Speaker 2: I'd say Grandpa's gun does just fine. 676 00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:51,160 Speaker 1: I dkay. 677 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:57,320 Speaker 2: I think that was a two thousand dollars scope Robinson writes, 678 00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:02,920 Speaker 2: delete this exchange. Robinson again writes, my dad wants photos 679 00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,839 Speaker 2: of the rifle. He says, Grandpa wants to know who 680 00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,840 Speaker 2: has what. The Fed's released a photo of the rifle 681 00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:14,440 Speaker 2: and it is very unique. He's calling me, not answering, Robinson. 682 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:18,600 Speaker 2: Since Trump got into office, my dad has been pretty diehard. 683 00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:24,160 Speaker 2: Maga Robinson. I'm going to turn myself in willingly. One 684 00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:29,600 Speaker 2: of my neighbors here is a deputy or for the sheriff. Robinson, 685 00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:35,239 Speaker 2: you are all I worry about, love roommate. I'm much 686 00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:36,319 Speaker 2: more worried about you. 687 00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:37,640 Speaker 1: Robinson. 688 00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:42,200 Speaker 2: Don't talk to the media. Please, don't take any interviews 689 00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:46,040 Speaker 2: or make any comments. If any police ask you questions, 690 00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:50,840 Speaker 2: ask for a lawyer, and stay silent. The search of 691 00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:55,920 Speaker 2: Robinson's residence, police executed a search warrant on Robinson's residence. 692 00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,719 Speaker 2: During that search, police discovered a shellcasing with etchings like 693 00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:03,160 Speaker 2: the found on the shells in the rifle near Uvu. 694 00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:07,120 Speaker 2: Police also found several targets with bullet holes in Robinson's home. 695 00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:12,080 Speaker 2: Count One aggravated murder pertains to Robinson's shooting and killing 696 00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:14,560 Speaker 2: of Charlie Kirk in a manner that exposed others in 697 00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,040 Speaker 2: addition to mister Kirk to a great risk of death. 698 00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:21,600 Speaker 2: Count two felony discharge of a firearm pertains to Robinson's 699 00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:25,520 Speaker 2: shooting toward mister Kirk, knowing that doing so endangered those 700 00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,680 Speaker 2: in the bullet's path. The shot caused serious bodily injury 701 00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:32,359 Speaker 2: to mister Kirk, ultimately resulting in his death. Count three 702 00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:36,719 Speaker 2: Obstructing justice pertains to Robinson's removal and hiding of the 703 00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:41,000 Speaker 2: rifle he used to shoot mister Kirk. Doun four Obstructing 704 00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,560 Speaker 2: justice pertains to Robinson's removal and hiding of the clothing 705 00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:48,560 Speaker 2: he wore when he shot mister Kirk. Count five Witness 706 00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:52,000 Speaker 2: tampering pertains to Robinson's statements to his roommate telling his 707 00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:55,560 Speaker 2: roommate to delete their text exchange that followed the shooting. 708 00:42:56,200 --> 00:43:00,120 Speaker 2: Count six Witness tampering pertains to Robinson's statement to his 709 00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:04,080 Speaker 2: roommate telling the roommate quote, if any police ask you questions, 710 00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:09,400 Speaker 2: ask for a lawyer, and stay silent unquote. Count seven 711 00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:13,160 Speaker 2: Violence offense committed in the presence of a child pertains 712 00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,759 Speaker 2: to robinson shooting of mister Kirk in the presence of 713 00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,480 Speaker 2: children under the age of fourteen who were visible at 714 00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:23,000 Speaker 2: the event. Based upon evidence received from Brian Davis of 715 00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:26,200 Speaker 2: the Utah State Bureau of Investigation, I have reason to 716 00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:30,640 Speaker 2: believe the defendant committed the offenses charged herein. Authorized for 717 00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:35,280 Speaker 2: presentment and filing. On September sixteenth, twenty twenty five, Utah 718 00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:39,719 Speaker 2: County Attorney's Office sworn to buy Jeffrey S. 719 00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:41,680 Speaker 1: Gray, Utah County Attorney. 720 00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:52,000 Speaker 3: I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is Bodybacks