Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning. The Breakfast Club Morning.
Speaker 2: Everybody is the j n V. Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne the guy.
Speaker 3: We are the Breakfast Club. We got some special guests
Speaker 3: in the build. Clips.
Speaker 4: What's up?
Speaker 5: Is it the clips?
Speaker 6: Or is it clip Clips?
Speaker 5: Okay? Because I say the clips too? Clips?
Speaker 2: You call that.
Speaker 7: Shot, So it's just clips.
Speaker 4: What's the origins of the name for people who don't know,
Speaker 4: So that came from Full of Clips. I came up
Speaker 4: with it and at the time of Fat Joe had
Speaker 4: the Full of Clips crew, so we just shortened it
Speaker 4: the Clips.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 3: Now I want to go back right because you guys
Speaker 3: have been a long time, for a long time, so
Speaker 3: I want to start from the history. Of course, I
Speaker 3: know you guys for a long, long, long, long time.
Speaker 3: So what got you into rapping and to form the
Speaker 3: group The clip Clips for people that don't know.
Speaker 4: Always always been a fan of hip hop like anybody else.
Speaker 4: You know, My older brother was into the whole cardboard
Speaker 4: box break dancing, boom box rapping when you had to
Speaker 4: push play and record and wrap directly into the box
Speaker 4: and yeah, man, just uh just coming up, just coming
Speaker 4: up under that and uh we went to Chad's house
Speaker 4: one time and pusha he wrote his first rap, and
Speaker 4: Pharrell was like, y'all, should you know be a group?
Speaker 4: His first rap was incredible, but before that it was
Speaker 4: just me rapping over there.
Speaker 3: Now when you're first met Chad and Pharrell, right, yep,
Speaker 3: y'all are totally opposite. So how did y'all even meet
Speaker 3: and even learn each other? Because growing up in Norfolk
Speaker 3: in Virginia, like.
Speaker 1: It's totally two different sides.
Speaker 3: So what made y'all even say, you know what, let's
Speaker 3: connect with these guys who wearing tight shirts at the
Speaker 3: time and tight pants and looked like skateboards and look
Speaker 3: nothing like y'all serving them, serving them? So it made
Speaker 3: you say, you know what, let's link with them and
Speaker 3: start you know.
Speaker 4: Actually, so I was a djuh dj Alex in Virginia.
Speaker 4: Beach lived down the street from me, and we went
Speaker 4: out and we rented a drum machine and we got
Speaker 4: the drum machine, but we couldn't work it, and you know,
Speaker 4: we had to turn it back in, so and we
Speaker 4: had paid for it, but you know, we was gonna
Speaker 4: have to turn it back in before we even had
Speaker 4: a chance to use it. And he was like, you know,
Speaker 4: let's take it to my homie's house. And we went
Speaker 4: over there and it happened to beat Chad and he
Speaker 4: knew how to work it. And you know, that's just
Speaker 4: stuff that we was doing before clip.
Speaker 1: And that's where it started. Yeah, so when did y'all
Speaker 1: take it serious?
Speaker 3: When did you say, you know, what this rap thing
Speaker 3: is is something I'm gonna take serious. I'm gonna get
Speaker 3: off the street to say this is what it is.
Speaker 5: I have to say that was in meeting Pharrell. In
Speaker 5: meeting Pharrell, and you know it was Pharrell, it was
Speaker 5: the Teddy Riley coming to Virginia. You know, we began
Speaker 5: to see that it was a real thing, that that
Speaker 5: that music was was actually attainable in arms reach. I mean,
Speaker 5: we seeing the cars, were seeing the Ferraris, We're seeing
Speaker 5: Michael Jackson in Virginia Beach. You know, we're seeing MC's
Speaker 5: whole everybody was was coming, was coming down. And then
Speaker 5: at the same time we had you know, Timblin and
Speaker 5: MISSI they was doing their thing. They were you know,
Speaker 5: they had left home and went to Jersey and was
Speaker 5: working with Joe Tosy. But these are all our childhood
Speaker 5: you know, high school school for last thing, so we
Speaker 5: we got to see it from a lot of different
Speaker 5: angles that you know, music was possible.
Speaker 8: Why why Virginia don't get like the credit for being
Speaker 8: a hip hop hotbed, just a black music hotbed.
Speaker 3: Not just not just music. You remember Alan Evlson from
Speaker 3: that area, Michael Vicks.
Speaker 1: From that area.
Speaker 2: Like this, it's so much in that area that people.
Speaker 8: Forget I'm the music because you got regions and you know,
Speaker 8: states that get that love, but y'all don't seem to.
Speaker 5: Well. I think I think it's because I think a
Speaker 5: lot of people have. Everybody who's made it in Virginia
Speaker 5: actually had to leave Virginia to make it. I don't
Speaker 5: think any one particular artist of any of us. None
Speaker 5: of us broke in Virginia. So we always broke like
Speaker 5: Clips broke in Philly. You know, you know everybody, everybody
Speaker 5: broke somewhere else. So I think Clip's broken Philly. I
Speaker 5: never yeah, Clip's broken, Philly. Man shoutow cosmic vow, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: Clips broken Philly. I don't know what record was at
Speaker 5: the funeral or grind grinding broken Philly.
Speaker 3: Now do you remember that when Farrell gave you that
Speaker 3: beat for grinding. I remember the first time I heard it.
Speaker 3: It was confusing. Yeah, it was confusing. I was confused.
Speaker 3: So when he first gave it, how did you know
Speaker 3: that was?
Speaker 5: You probably got the CD that I was handing out. Yes,
Speaker 5: I did, Yeah, I believe you did. You know when
Speaker 5: we heard it first, we was like, you know, we
Speaker 5: were it was. It kind of took us back because
Speaker 5: you got to think at that time, Pharrell was singing
Speaker 5: on every hook. It was uh, whether it was mister
Speaker 5: Cool and whoever. Right, So, you know, this is our
Speaker 5: first joint and he like, yo, this is the one,
Speaker 5: and we like, we want you singing, like saying you
Speaker 5: better tap or do something. And you know, he was like,
Speaker 5: now I'm telling you this is this the future. This
Speaker 5: is what it is.
Speaker 4: And he was right, and it was confusing because we
Speaker 4: actually wrote to it twice three times.
Speaker 5: I think I think I got three joints on that joint.
Speaker 3: I still can't blend it to this day because I
Speaker 3: don't know where the beating the snare go at.
Speaker 2: Wow, actually blend on it. You just gotta go.
Speaker 5: That's crazy, that's crazy for you to say.
Speaker 1: That to this day. M Me up there, Me up there,
Speaker 1: I just love.
Speaker 5: Vegas with envy, rocking, smoking.
Speaker 1: Thanks.
Speaker 8: Thanks, you know on the album Malas you said you've
Speaker 8: been both Mason bethists for people who don't know what
Speaker 8: that line needs.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just feel like I understand stood and walked
Speaker 4: a similar path like Mace, you know, to be in
Speaker 4: this industry and then to have a real live revelation
Speaker 4: of God and who he is, you know, and then
Speaker 4: have to navigate your way. As far as navigating, not
Speaker 4: so much because I knew that I had to chill,
Speaker 4: take a step back. And I also want to give
Speaker 4: you y'all flowers too, because y'all were still messing with
Speaker 4: me during that time. You let me come in here
Speaker 4: and you know, promote the documentary and you know, uh
Speaker 4: my solo projects and everything. So yeah, I appreciate that.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I feel like I understand, uh seeing a
Speaker 4: lot of the same things that that Mace.
Speaker 5: Uh see.
Speaker 4: I bought that up because you know, they actually caught
Speaker 4: me Mason the club.
Speaker 5: It was in the club in DC, and it was
Speaker 5: like we got to push your ta in Mason.
Speaker 1: For a while.
Speaker 5: No, No, I'm cool with it all.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm cool with it all.
Speaker 8: That's why I brought it up because that's what ultimately
Speaker 8: caused the clips to you know, in for that fifth
Speaker 8: period of time.
Speaker 2: That's right, yeah, yeah, So what got your back? What
Speaker 2: was the call that said I want to do this again?
Speaker 4: There were a few baby steps, I'm gonna say, uh,
Speaker 4: going out to Wyoming and uh, you know, working on
Speaker 4: use this gospel with ya with my brother. I always
Speaker 4: knew that we could do it, but I just knew
Speaker 4: I needed to sit down period, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 4: And uh, what else did we do? We did push
Speaker 4: his album, I Pray for You, We did the Lego album,
Speaker 4: the album Yeah, I mean those were things I could
Speaker 4: ask for that I knew, weren't you know, just solid
Speaker 4: nose and you know, man.
Speaker 5: From there, it was just like, what we're gonna do?
Speaker 8: What was the exact moment though, because y'all were on
Speaker 8: two completely different life paths, So what was the exact
Speaker 8: moment that said, Okay, it's time to do another album?
Speaker 4: Okay, So I'll say this. You know, when when we
Speaker 4: were doing they use this gospel and punch bowl and
Speaker 4: push his album and whatever, I had to ask my dad.
Speaker 4: I was like, you know, what do you think about me?
Speaker 4: Rapping again, and he said, he said, son, I think
Speaker 4: you've been too hard on yourself. And my dad's a deacon,
Speaker 4: you know, like he was a deacon. So to hear
Speaker 4: him say that, I am like a word.
Speaker 5: That's how you feel like, you know, And you answered
Speaker 5: one of my questions.
Speaker 8: I was gonna ask you about that because you talk
Speaker 8: about that on Birds Don't Sink, right, And I just
Speaker 8: thought that was such a powerful thing, just just to
Speaker 8: explain like you was going through his you know, dresser drawer,
Speaker 8: seeing his notes. But then he y'all had conversations about
Speaker 8: you rapping again. I'm gonna ask you what would those conversations?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we you know, just everything was the way
Speaker 4: it lined up. It told the whole story, and it
Speaker 4: let me know that God is intentional. These things don't
Speaker 4: just be happening to us the way you know, we think.
Speaker 4: God is very gracious and he sets you up. He
Speaker 4: knows what you can take, He knows how much to
Speaker 4: put on you. He knows the order in which to put,
Speaker 4: you know, things in for you. So I I just
Speaker 4: know that He's in control all the time. And the
Speaker 4: conversations with that record, you know, Pusher talking to my
Speaker 4: mom and me talking to my dad and being able
Speaker 4: to document those last conversations. Even those conversations was a
Speaker 4: type of preparation, you know, getting you ready for what
Speaker 4: was about to take place.
Speaker 5: So like, I'm I'm.
Speaker 4: Cool with it all.
Speaker 3: Well, condolence is first, and for you know, I was
Speaker 3: when I was in Vegas. You know, I was with
Speaker 3: family members of yours and what I like to do
Speaker 3: is is pull them to the side and just have conversations.
Speaker 3: I knew I was coming up for an interview and.
Speaker 8: Trying to get tea yeah, of course, and one of
Speaker 8: them was like, now we were talking about the down.
Speaker 1: This is before I heard the.
Speaker 3: Album, and he was like, he was like, yo, the
Speaker 3: best thing about it. He was like, I had their
Speaker 3: mom in the car and he was like, the greatest
Speaker 3: thing that ever happened is the two boys are back
Speaker 3: together rapping. So how was that feeling of knowing that
Speaker 3: mom was just super duper happy that her two sons
Speaker 3: were backrock.
Speaker 5: Uh man? You know she that was that was always
Speaker 5: a big thing, you know, for me as a soloist.
Speaker 5: She would always be like I want with them, Yeah,
Speaker 5: I want your brother with you. I want them back
Speaker 5: out there with you probably just to you know, look
Speaker 5: over me, watch over me. But that was that was
Speaker 5: always her thing. She was huge on like us just
Speaker 5: being together.
Speaker 8: Yea, Now did y'all know y'all had to start the
Speaker 8: album with a dedication to your parents, like.
Speaker 5: Because it was the hardest record to make, Like, it
Speaker 5: was the hardest record to make. So yeah, So finally,
Speaker 5: like when we cracked that code, you know, we were
Speaker 5: you know, we were putting the order in and we
Speaker 5: was like, man, nah, this this, this has to start, like,
Speaker 5: this has to start the album.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 5: It was polarizing the response, you know, just in the
Speaker 5: creation of it. Man, everybody who heard it, you know,
Speaker 5: and there were people in there, like you know, we
Speaker 5: we recorded it in the LV headquarters, so it's a
Speaker 5: room and it's you know, it's open. The mics are
Speaker 5: like this, ain't no booth you record like this. You
Speaker 5: look outside, you look through that window right there, and
Speaker 5: then it's not a window, it's just an open space.
Speaker 5: Somebody with a sewing machine, somebody with you know, bag
Speaker 5: shoes whatever. And while we're doing this in real time,
Speaker 5: everybody's in tears, like everybody just you know, they're they're
Speaker 5: watching it. By the time we finish it, it's like,
Speaker 5: you know, just like any other record. It's like, man,
Speaker 5: you know, we we cracked the code on it, like
Speaker 5: we were satisfied, but it was just so hard to do.
Speaker 5: And everybody is always like, you know, everybody want to
Speaker 5: put the hardest record first, and I'm like, nah, man,
Speaker 5: this this is the this is the hardest record, and
Speaker 5: I want to see how it like really touches people.
Speaker 5: You know, from the jump and the didn't get into
Speaker 5: everything else.
Speaker 2: Did that change you?
Speaker 3: Because you know, you talk about on the record of
Speaker 3: where you were and the things that you should have
Speaker 3: been doing that you weren't doing. Yeah, and then I've
Speaker 3: seen a shoe for a couple of years with you
Speaker 3: when you had your son, like everything is about your
Speaker 3: son and you show up more than anything else, and
Speaker 3: that wasn't you beforehand.
Speaker 2: So did that change you?
Speaker 5: What is my first son? So you know, this is
Speaker 5: this is this is new to me. But you know,
Speaker 5: I man, I don't know if it changed me. I
Speaker 5: would say that my parents prepared me to be a dad,
Speaker 5: like a real dad, because I had a real dad
Speaker 5: and a real mom.
Speaker 9: Were there conversations that you wish you had with your mom,
Speaker 9: like in those moments where you talk about you went
Speaker 9: to Turks for Thanksgiving and.
Speaker 5: So no, no, like me and my mom was so straight,
Speaker 5: like we've been, like we always were straight. And I
Speaker 5: think that the you know, the whole the Turks thing
Speaker 5: when you know, and looking at in hindsight, you know,
Speaker 5: she was like, damn, you're gonna get out of here,
Speaker 5: you know, you know, looking at it and everything, I
Speaker 5: sort of feel like she knows, she knew everything, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 5: so you know, it's just it's it's it was. It
Speaker 5: tells the story, you know after you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: like the whole story for me, Like I see it
Speaker 5: all now, I see it all, but at the time, no,
Speaker 5: I didn't.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 4: I think it also says a lot for you know,
Speaker 4: being in harmony with your people. Yeah, really you really
Speaker 4: should be, because that is what gives me a lot
Speaker 4: of peace knowing that, you know, I was there for
Speaker 4: my mother, a great relationship with my mother and my
Speaker 4: father the whole time. So if you're out here and
Speaker 4: you have like a dysfunction or a lot of dis
Speaker 4: disdain between family members, you should really try to fix that,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. You should. You should really
Speaker 4: try to fix that if possible, because right now with
Speaker 4: my parents being gone, I get a lot of peace
Speaker 4: just knowing that everything was straight and always straight.
Speaker 5: That's not the only thing.
Speaker 8: Yeah, y'all choose who was going to rap about who?
Speaker 4: That was kind of easy.
Speaker 5: I mean.
Speaker 4: And even though we were, you know, just all of
Speaker 4: us very close knit and tight knit. Uh, you know,
Speaker 4: my dad and I we always talked about things of
Speaker 4: the Bible, you know, and just whole even my mom
Speaker 4: because my mom was you know, over the house every
Speaker 4: Saturday for Bible study. But I don't know, it just
Speaker 4: seemed like it kind of made more sense for you know,
Speaker 4: me talking about my dad. Well, we get a visual
Speaker 4: for this video.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's already shot. It's already shot.
Speaker 7: Look at you. It's not like you already.
Speaker 2: But I pull everybody to the side, definitely asked.
Speaker 8: How difficult is it to rap honestly next to your
Speaker 8: brother because y'all y'all really know each other, so you
Speaker 8: could be like, yo, you're lying that ain't happy?
Speaker 6: Don't we don't have them kind of issues?
Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, it's cool and getting.
Speaker 8: It's real, But is it ever like maybe that's too much,
Speaker 8: Like maybe we shouldn't say that.
Speaker 4: I think I think push It likes, especially now he
Speaker 4: likes when I curse, you know, try to like all
Speaker 4: the way there with it, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: But nah, I mean the rapping is is is just
Speaker 4: like second nature to us and we've been doing this
Speaker 4: for a while, so.
Speaker 5: Just the funnest rapping has ever been, I'm being honest
Speaker 5: with you, this go around, Yeah, like this is the
Speaker 5: funnest rap has been. Like this ain't even like that's
Speaker 5: not a thing, like it's you know, the roll out
Speaker 5: and all of that is like the work. This the music,
Speaker 5: not the music is what it is. Like the music
Speaker 5: is there.
Speaker 3: You feel like you gotta you feel like you got
Speaker 3: to prove yourself though it's like I see it would
Speaker 3: hold right people.
Speaker 2: Oh you lying? You ain't really do that?
Speaker 5: Ah man, you feel like you gotta bro I've been
Speaker 5: in this twenty three years, like I've been who I've
Speaker 5: been twenty three years, Like I don't I don't feel
Speaker 5: like I got to prove anything to anybody, And I
Speaker 5: feel like I'm the best at what it is I'm doing.
Speaker 5: Like I don't think nobody talks like this nobody, Like,
Speaker 5: it's a lot that comes with this and I feel like,
Speaker 5: you know, people give you that the coke wrap Moniker
Speaker 5: bro We like it's so much deeper than that. And listen,
Speaker 5: I don't even argue. I don't even argue the title
Speaker 5: no more. It's fine. It's just you know this right now,
Speaker 5: what we're making is for those who know and for
Speaker 5: those who understand, and for those who are like you know,
Speaker 5: into hip hop, into the lifestyle. And I think that's
Speaker 5: what you're seeing in the whole rollout of this album.
Speaker 5: This this is high taste level everything, and it's you
Speaker 5: know it and it shows the heritage of like how
Speaker 5: and what we've been a part of for all these years.
Speaker 5: You know, whether it's you know, high fashion, whether it's
Speaker 5: car hard, whether it's streetwear, whether you know, whatever it is,
Speaker 5: it's all hip hop. Like this is we're trying to
Speaker 5: give the hip hop tutorial of like why we loved rappers,
Speaker 5: you know the rappers I cut my eyebrows broke, you know,
Speaker 5: like these things I did, like I did, you know
Speaker 5: what I mean? And I want people to love us
Speaker 5: in that way and I want to show that, like,
Speaker 5: you know, this is what this is what hip hop
Speaker 5: means to us, like be entrenched, and that's what we're
Speaker 5: just trying to show.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: That's funny because.
Speaker 4: That was one of my revelations with my departure, everything
Speaker 4: that we were talking about, the things that we have
Speaker 4: been through, the things that we were sharing, and then
Speaker 4: to see how it all came crashing down with friends
Speaker 4: and family you know, around us and death, yeah, death,
Speaker 4: indictments even to present day. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: The same people that we were running with. We we've
Speaker 4: lost a few, a few more recently. But my revelation
Speaker 4: was when I would hear narratives of you know, they
Speaker 4: weren't into that, or they weren't doing this and that,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, I know what we've been through, and
Speaker 4: for anyone to say anything like that, for to have
Speaker 4: such a sacrifice of all these things going down, just
Speaker 4: for someone to say that, which doesn't trouble me at all,
Speaker 4: doesn't bother me. You know, people have their opinions and
Speaker 4: can say what they want. But to be fighting for
Speaker 4: that and talking that and and then then when it
Speaker 4: happens and then somebody won't say you ain't do that,
Speaker 4: I was like, oh man, no, I'm chilling.
Speaker 5: I'm good. I didn't hear a lot of cocaine wrap
Speaker 5: on this record, though. Was that intentional? Do you think you.
Speaker 8: Should not as the Clips project?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 8: No?
Speaker 4: I think you know, I think it's more reminiscent.
Speaker 7: Yeah, if you give a little in the beginning, a little.
Speaker 9: Something in the beginning's my favorite.
Speaker 5: For who you really they tried.
Speaker 10: They tried to scrap it.
Speaker 5: I tried to scrap it.
Speaker 4: They tried to scrap that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I told him, I was, you know, that's it.
Speaker 2: Why the.
Speaker 5: Stars about I want to because I was I was
Speaker 5: actually mimicking Guru, like vocally, and I didn't think I
Speaker 5: nailed it good enough. And I was just like, man,
Speaker 5: I didn't get Guru. Oh yeah, okay, okay, I mean,
Speaker 5: you know, very monotone, very conversational, very then and then
Speaker 5: and it was like you know that. I mean, I
Speaker 5: I just didn't. I wasn't sold on the execution can Man,
Speaker 5: that's crazy, that's crazy because it was gone.
Speaker 4: That's my favorite there.
Speaker 5: Did you tell him I don't want to do too
Speaker 5: much of the cocaine thing.
Speaker 4: On this No, I mean, I think, you know, that's
Speaker 4: the good thing between my brother and I things are understood.
Speaker 4: You know, he knows why stand I know where he stands.
Speaker 4: I don't try to chang ain't him or he don't
Speaker 4: try to change me. And it's a it's a good
Speaker 4: plan field where we come together and it's just real.
Speaker 4: We don't have to like overcomplish, manufacture anything. It's just
Speaker 4: what it is.
Speaker 3: The the other day, they said, I was glazing the
Speaker 3: clips right.
Speaker 5: Crazy.
Speaker 3: That is what I said, was I said, I said
Speaker 3: something to this fact. I said, push has if he
Speaker 3: hears anybody go at him, he has five records on
Speaker 3: the side of five versus just the case.
Speaker 1: I said, I just know because I know who he
Speaker 1: is and what he is. Is that true?
Speaker 5: No, man, I'm not listen man, you know he said.
Speaker 11: No, he said, Now he looks good like the skins always.
Speaker 5: Fresh man like, like I like skin compliments. I do
Speaker 5: like skin compliments. I'm gonna tell.
Speaker 2: You to rap as it.
Speaker 3: Sometimes they throw stones that you do you have something
Speaker 3: in the stass for each and every.
Speaker 2: One of them.
Speaker 5: Man, I mean, I think you know, just me being
Speaker 5: a rap artist and me being an MC is that's
Speaker 5: just second nature. And usually most most people who throw stones, man,
Speaker 5: I mean nobody's perfect. So I mean I can dissect
Speaker 5: anybody just like they could dissect me. But you know, man,
Speaker 5: I try not to. I try not to to engage
Speaker 5: to my like I've done that. Like I've done a
Speaker 5: lot of it, you know what I'm saying. I've done
Speaker 5: it with the best and the biggest, Like I've done it.
Speaker 5: So it's like, you know, you can't just entertain everything
Speaker 5: because everybody and everybody's not good. Like everybody's not good.
Speaker 5: This is this is a new day in a new
Speaker 5: era where like you know, just uh clicks and and
Speaker 5: and and clickbait and and people just say things for
Speaker 5: for attention, and it's like you just can't entertain everything. Man,
Speaker 5: you just can't. I feel like you've been trying to
Speaker 5: catch your body since the story. I've been trying to
Speaker 5: catch your body.
Speaker 8: Were you caught? Think a body? I think those were
Speaker 8: shots directly at you. You were surgical with you said
Speaker 8: at the end of peel Back, the lay is real slow.
Speaker 8: So I feel like you really wanted to go there
Speaker 8: with somebody for the longest.
Speaker 5: Nah, man, no, no, I mean you know it's it's
Speaker 5: never a.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 5: I got, I got for real, I have a lot
Speaker 5: to to to rap about. I got a lot to
Speaker 5: wrap about. I got a lot, a lot of content.
Speaker 5: The creativity is is ever flowing and it don't ever
Speaker 5: have to be about an individual. It don't have to
Speaker 5: be like not for me, Like I mean, like, I
Speaker 5: feel like this album is incredible and I don't think
Speaker 5: it's really dialed anywhere you could getting necessory to murder
Speaker 5: charge because when you listen to.
Speaker 4: You for.
Speaker 8: Things that you laid you know, you laid down that
Speaker 8: Kendrick used for you for it, and I think it's
Speaker 8: used in the battle period.
Speaker 5: Man, you know, I think I think you know great
Speaker 5: great lyricists just you know, tune into the obvious.
Speaker 2: Speak during that battle and yeah, speak during the battle.
Speaker 9: I when do you pick and choose when to say
Speaker 9: something about something because you sit on a lot of
Speaker 9: stuff for a long time.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I'm I'm always like that, like I
Speaker 5: feel like and and that just comes with that just
Speaker 5: comes with like my position in the game and like
Speaker 5: just where I am as an artist. Like, man, I
Speaker 5: don't you know, it's not always a radio record that
Speaker 5: I have. It's not always you know, we don't get
Speaker 5: you know, it's I'm not putting out music constantly. You
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, every five minutes a new record.
Speaker 5: I feel like, you know, uh, you know, things happen.
Speaker 5: You got to store it. You gotta store, you gotta craft,
Speaker 5: you gotta make it right. You got to set the platform,
Speaker 5: set the stage, breakdown.
Speaker 3: What the hit the situation with death Jam. You guys
Speaker 3: were on Death Jam, Yes, decided to leave.
Speaker 5: You crazy too, man. You can sit up here and
Speaker 5: tell Death Jam was like, Yo, Death Jam, Death Jam
Speaker 5: don't care about your project.
Speaker 10: You crazy, honest man.
Speaker 5: Man, He's.
Speaker 10: Like, you're not gonna do that after her?
Speaker 5: Like what is You're not to talk about your music?
Speaker 5: What are we gonna be talking about?
Speaker 2: And I actually left that day because we didn't sit down,
Speaker 2: but he still wanted to do it.
Speaker 9: But I was pushing for her because I love Coco.
Speaker 9: If we've been honest though, because listening to the project
Speaker 9: now and knowing the background with You're on Jam, you
Speaker 9: I don't understand why they would let a project like
Speaker 9: this go.
Speaker 3: So what was the call when when when you hit
Speaker 3: it in the album and they called and said, we
Speaker 3: can't put this out, we can't clear this record.
Speaker 1: What was that call?
Speaker 5: Like, I mean, it was you know what it was.
Speaker 5: It was something that I wasn't really dealing with firsthand.
Speaker 5: They were like speaking to my management, uh and my
Speaker 5: team and just like you know, and then it got
Speaker 5: it got a little dicey to where to the point
Speaker 5: they weren't they wouldn't text or email send these things
Speaker 5: an email. They would they would like only talk on
Speaker 5: the phone, and you know, they would instruct not to
Speaker 5: email us back and forth these you know, that type
Speaker 5: of correspondence. So, I mean, man, you know it's I
Speaker 5: don't know, like I don't I don't know why. I mean,
Speaker 5: I can only assume that it was just the optics
Speaker 5: with everything they got going on with litigation, lawsuits and
Speaker 5: over that the optics of clips Kendrick together, because that's
Speaker 5: that's when it all happened. Like we don't we don't
Speaker 5: we don't really deal with the label that much anyway
Speaker 5: outside of nothing. Actually, yeah, we don't deal with the label.
Speaker 5: Like we we go make our album and then we
Speaker 5: come and bring the album back. But y'all, you and
Speaker 5: Rick worked together before y'all got a classic together. If
Speaker 5: you ask me different, Oh it's a different day. It
Speaker 5: wasn't you know that was back then, but y'all wasn't
Speaker 5: even shooting that dude, It doesn't it doesn't matter. That's crazy. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So then so when you wanted to leave, you call
Speaker 3: Hole and then the first room was they just let
Speaker 3: you go for free.
Speaker 2: We was like that can't be true.
Speaker 5: No no, no, no, no no no. It had to pay,
Speaker 5: had to pay.
Speaker 1: So you reached out the whole and Hope sit absolutely possible.
Speaker 5: Well was my Stephen did Yeah, Stephen, Stephen reached out
Speaker 5: to him. There were other other labels in the in
Speaker 5: the in the bidding, and he just called hold, like yo,
Speaker 5: I think there was a there was a there was
Speaker 5: an approval process between one of the labels or something
Speaker 5: took a little long, and he went and ass whole
Speaker 5: and Hope was like, look, yeah, let's do this now,
Speaker 5: like twenty four hours, maybe maybe forty eight hours. I
Speaker 5: never seen lawyer work like this fast. Yeah, I didn't
Speaker 5: know it even happened like that. And what record was
Speaker 5: all supposed to be on on this project ship man
Speaker 5: there was I mean, we got he was saying changing whibs.
Speaker 4: Uh it was Mike Tyson.
Speaker 5: Mike Tyson blow to the face, you know. Whole had
Speaker 5: the album, So you know It. Yeah, it was it
Speaker 5: was all for him to whatever he wanted to do.
Speaker 7: Supposed to be on so be It.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was one of the options. Yeah, yeah, and
Speaker 5: nothing moved the spirit.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 5: I don't know, Man, I don't know man.
Speaker 8: You know, you know on pov Malas you said that
Speaker 8: you came back for the money that's the devil.
Speaker 2: Can you explain it?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I just thought it was a real fly line, you know.
Speaker 4: And for anyone who has any questions about me, I'm
Speaker 4: Jesus inside out, like I'm all the way gone with it,
Speaker 4: like it it's crazy. But uh, I just took so
Speaker 4: artistic liberty, you know with that line. And really, to me,
Speaker 4: you know, money is a good thing. You need money,
Speaker 4: especially to you know, you got friends and family to
Speaker 4: be able to help people. It's nothing wrong with money.
Speaker 4: I think people put a stigma on money, for the
Speaker 4: Bible says that it is the love of money that's
Speaker 4: the root of all evil, not the money. It's how
Speaker 4: much you love it. What are you willing to do
Speaker 4: for it or what won't you do for Do you
Speaker 4: lose all your principles and your morals? So I don't
Speaker 4: think we can demonize money. But for me, it was
Speaker 4: just a fly line to the church, right Nah, not
Speaker 4: because the line is fresh.
Speaker 5: That's the devil in me.
Speaker 4: Had to hide it from the church. That's the jeckal
Speaker 4: of me.
Speaker 5: But I'm just.
Speaker 4: Talking about the duplicity and the dichotomy of you know, uh,
Speaker 4: the mind and how people think and the two sidedness
Speaker 4: the people. Sometimes that's everybody, absolutely, yeah, that's everybody.
Speaker 5: Earlier, right Yeah.
Speaker 3: When Mace came back, it was on his ass right
Speaker 3: because of the lyrics, because of the type of records
Speaker 3: that he was on.
Speaker 1: But with you, they don't do that with you. Why
Speaker 1: do you think that is?
Speaker 4: Uh, I don't. I don't know, but but I'm gonna
Speaker 4: tell you for me.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 4: And and looking at Mace now, like I get Mace,
Speaker 4: Like I understand people are judgmental, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: I've heard a few things about me. You know, I'm
Speaker 4: not gonna like I haven't seen anything.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 4: But you you have to know be solid and who
Speaker 4: you are, and if you have the word in you.
Speaker 4: The Bible says that there is none righteous, no not one,
Speaker 4: so nobody can like truly point the finger. But uh,
Speaker 4: you better have your heart positioned in Jesus Rice by
Speaker 4: the end of the day, because when when when the
Speaker 4: music stop, you definitely want to have a seed.
Speaker 5: He taught me that at it because I didn't know.
Speaker 5: He told me that God, God think we all dirty?
Speaker 5: That's what.
Speaker 3: How do your conversations be with it? Like do you
Speaker 3: know about forgiveness alone?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 4: You know what, Listen, I'm gonna tell you, Like when
Speaker 4: my brother listens to me, you know now or he
Speaker 4: has the appearance of listening. Yeh, he hears me. He
Speaker 4: hears me. And any time I get to witness to anybody,
Speaker 4: you know, with with without being preachy or or forcing myself.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. I the problem is for
Speaker 4: me is that I happen to know how serious this is.
Speaker 4: And the thing about not knowing is that you don't
Speaker 4: know that you don't know, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So when you're trying to uh, when people open the
Speaker 4: door and are willing to listen, I try to do
Speaker 4: whatever it is I can. But my brother, he's been
Speaker 4: incredibly supportive of me, even in my stepping away. He's
Speaker 4: never you know, was like, Yo, what are you doing?
Speaker 4: Or this? Like he basically just said, okay, you know,
Speaker 4: he asked me, was I sure?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 4: And and that meant a lot to me because I
Speaker 4: had a lot. It was like a heavyweight. So to
Speaker 4: have the support of my brother, even through the whole hiatus.
Speaker 4: He would come to me and he was like, Yo,
Speaker 4: so and so was offering this amount of money. But
Speaker 4: what he did, but but but what he would do
Speaker 4: was he said, I already told them no, but I
Speaker 4: didn't want this to happen without me letting you know,
Speaker 4: just in case.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: So but right right, well, you know.
Speaker 5: I felt supportive.
Speaker 10: So that's all that matters.
Speaker 4: Robbed when people never.
Speaker 5: Feel never feel robbed.
Speaker 11: How do you feel when people leak music? Like when
Speaker 11: people release your music prematurely?
Speaker 2: Yo?
Speaker 4: You know, the game goes how it goes, and that's
Speaker 4: how we maneuver, we navigate everything. I'm not gonna sit
Speaker 4: up and be upset about anything.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: That happens when we get in there and we create
Speaker 4: and we make our music and we do what we do.
Speaker 4: What else you're gonna do? What else can you do
Speaker 4: other than that? You know what I'm saying. And I
Speaker 4: stand on our product and I love it. And it's
Speaker 4: good for fans to get things sometimes, so it's cool,
Speaker 4: Like as long as they enjoy it, it's good.
Speaker 9: Did y'all everythink about trying to get another Kendrick verse
Speaker 9: once that leaked before the album?
Speaker 7: Actually like dropped.
Speaker 5: Man, we try to get all Kendrick versus?
Speaker 1: Why not y'all.
Speaker 3: Knew playing that song in Paris, everybody's phone out it
Speaker 3: was going.
Speaker 1: Y'all had to know that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, it's part of it. You know.
Speaker 8: MB said something about what you asked about Malice about
Speaker 8: why you don't get the flack. I think one reason
Speaker 8: is because y'all have always had like a spiritual thread
Speaker 8: in your music, especially with the album titles. So how
Speaker 8: is your personal understanding of good and evil evolved since
Speaker 8: like hell have.
Speaker 4: No fear good and evil?
Speaker 5: How has it is your personal understanding of it evolved?
Speaker 8: When you're even talking about rap, Like you know, people
Speaker 8: some people say rap music is secular, it's the devil,
Speaker 8: you shouldn't do it, But then you know, you went
Speaker 8: on your journey and you were doing it even while
Speaker 8: you're on your journey, but now you're.
Speaker 4: Back, like, yeah, I think I think one of the
Speaker 4: things that I have learned is uh, start with yourself
Speaker 4: before you try to correct anybody matter. I'm not even
Speaker 4: saying you should try and correct anybody, but you start
Speaker 4: with yourself and looking within and and change the things
Speaker 4: that you can change, and work on what you need
Speaker 4: to work on. And then you can like offer some
Speaker 4: kind of advice or if if people are even interested,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, be able to give a
Speaker 4: reason for the whole hope that you have. And yeah,
Speaker 4: I think if more of us looked at ourselves and
Speaker 4: instead of trying to judge other people, I mean, because
Speaker 4: you know you you you look, you look deep enough,
Speaker 4: you'll find.
Speaker 5: Something all the time, you know.
Speaker 11: So to what you said about when you went to
Speaker 11: Wyoming to do use this gospel, by the way, the
Speaker 11: hardest song on on that album. How do y'all feel
Speaker 11: about Kanye now? Do you feel sadness with sympathy for him?
Speaker 11: Y'all see him now?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 4: No no, no, no, no no no. I'm going to
Speaker 4: say and and and and I'm going to say that
Speaker 4: I think this goes for for anybody.
Speaker 5: It's crazy.
Speaker 4: When you have a true revelation of God, it is
Speaker 4: radical because when you when when when you when the
Speaker 4: scales fall off your eyes. You do you want to
Speaker 4: run and tell everybody what you what you witness or
Speaker 4: you know, we've been missing it this whole time. You know,
Speaker 4: it's it's how it's how I felt. But once you
Speaker 4: get that, you gotta sit down for a minute. You
Speaker 4: can't get the revelation and then try to keep going
Speaker 4: in this world. The epitome of the gospel is denying yourself.
Speaker 4: That's why Christ got on the cross and.
Speaker 5: Gave up his flesh.
Speaker 4: So you have to be willing to give it up
Speaker 4: so you can learn and then let God restore you
Speaker 4: and rebuild you. You know, correctly doesn't mean anybody is
Speaker 4: a perfect person, you know what I'm saying, or or
Speaker 4: you can't even try to have the facade of Okay,
Speaker 4: I'm saved now now I'm perfect. Nah, it just doesn't
Speaker 4: work like that.
Speaker 1: So how do you deal with it? Push?
Speaker 3: Because deal with Kanye because you know you're not the
Speaker 3: type of person to hold your tongue.
Speaker 1: You know, you don't hold your word.
Speaker 3: So when some of the stuff that he did that
Speaker 3: might not have aligned what you thought, did y'all have
Speaker 3: those conversations?
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, you know, I spoke on it. I
Speaker 5: feel like that's that was the beginning of our fallout.
Speaker 5: But you know, he.
Speaker 4: Sits on a lot of miscarriages of justice. I've seen it,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. I hear things and things
Speaker 4: being said, and I see, you know, his reserve. You know,
Speaker 4: I admire his restraint. People By the time he jumps
Speaker 4: out the window, you think he's going overboard. But I'm
Speaker 4: telling you as knowing my brother, he sits on a lot.
Speaker 3: And what about all that music, because I'm sure you
Speaker 3: you got tons of music, but we never hear the
Speaker 3: stuff that you've done.
Speaker 5: Yeah you will, because they leak it all. They leak
Speaker 5: it all they put out or just sloppy, you know,
Speaker 5: I don't you know, I don't know. I don't I
Speaker 5: don't use it. I don't even keep it. But you know,
Speaker 5: you've you've seen and heard the things that have been
Speaker 5: out there.
Speaker 9: But I saw you say you hate Kanye's leadership and
Speaker 9: you got away from that, got away from that community
Speaker 9: that he built because of the feeling over there, right,
Speaker 9: What was that like last straw of like nah, I
Speaker 9: can't no more.
Speaker 5: I think for me it was I think for me
Speaker 5: it was somewhere around somewhere around the Atlanta the Dome,
Speaker 5: the locked in when everybody was locked in the dome,
Speaker 5: and you know, I, you know, like again, man, when
Speaker 5: when we squad and we were working and we're doing
Speaker 5: what we're doing, it's just all about the squad. And
Speaker 5: I kind of just felt like, you know, I would
Speaker 5: you know, I would have to leave and go do
Speaker 5: things shows, whatever the case. Maybe I would come back
Speaker 5: and the energy would just be different. You know. There
Speaker 5: were conversations being had, uh you know, this is this
Speaker 5: is after Addie Don and everything else, and you know,
Speaker 5: it was like, man, I was doing self serving things
Speaker 5: and it was just crazy. It was just a lot
Speaker 5: of like you know, backbiting and things like that, and
Speaker 5: I'm like, damn, this is this is for the squad,
Speaker 5: I thought.
Speaker 2: But you know, it publicly negative about you.
Speaker 1: We heard him say about Sean. We heard him say legend.
Speaker 5: Oh no, for sure he has for sure he has.
Speaker 5: He put on remember he put on the little mask.
Speaker 5: He was like screaming in the culturally inappropriate Oh man, yeah, no,
Speaker 5: listen man, Okay, So during during just the sessions, whether
Speaker 5: it was a beat, whether it was you know, just
Speaker 5: the freestyles before and making the songs whatever the case
Speaker 5: may be. You know, we would get hype about just
Speaker 5: like man, it's hard or whatever whatever it was at
Speaker 5: the time, and I forgot who said it, but it
Speaker 5: was Mike.
Speaker 1: Mike.
Speaker 5: Mike was like, man, this ship is culturally in appropriate.
Speaker 5: And Mike also worked on It's Almost Dry, so you
Speaker 5: know how that had a common thread of like the
Speaker 5: Joker laugh through the whole album. He was like, yo,
Speaker 5: say that on the mic and let me run that
Speaker 5: through a filter, because you know, we just felt like
Speaker 5: we just kept running that back. It's culturally inappropriate. He
Speaker 5: was like, say it through a filter, let's find a voice,
Speaker 5: and let's just see how it sounds on records. And
Speaker 5: it actually just worked just to have that, you know,
Speaker 5: just another thread to keep it, you know, cohesive, keep
Speaker 5: the album cohesive.
Speaker 8: I mean, I like it just because it's something that
Speaker 8: I feel like we should say something.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it could have been a line. What I'm saying
Speaker 5: is it could have been a line, it could have
Speaker 5: been a song, it could have been a hook idea.
Speaker 5: At the time, I just you know, I just can't
Speaker 5: remember what it was. But that's that's where that that
Speaker 5: term came from. Something that was just said ignorantly.
Speaker 3: And what pissed you off about Travis Scott so much
Speaker 3: that you had to mention him on a regulard? What
Speaker 3: made you say this isn't this niggas going too far?
Speaker 4: Ah?
Speaker 5: Man, it was just you know, it was just that
Speaker 5: that whole coming to uh coming to Paris. You know,
Speaker 5: he came to Paris during one of our sessions, you know,
Speaker 5: played his album and then he you know, when when
Speaker 5: he left, the album comes out, and you know the
Speaker 5: record that he played, you know, had a verse up
Speaker 5: there that was you know, going at p whatever the
Speaker 5: case may be. And I'm like, damn, you just left,
Speaker 5: Like how you how you leave here? You know he
Speaker 5: was on your album and then you're letting him, you know,
Speaker 5: play your album for him, you're filming it, and then
Speaker 5: you come back when the album drops you got a
Speaker 5: verse you know, going at him. So I just thought
Speaker 5: that was corny. And again, like you know, that's part
Speaker 5: of the I think that's part of just trying to
Speaker 5: leave all of that behind. And it's like, man, like
Speaker 5: that's the type of thing that happens over in that
Speaker 5: yay world and it's okay and they you know, it's
Speaker 5: all right, they just brush it off and they be
Speaker 5: friends and they go hang out together and then you know,
Speaker 5: do whatever they do. Like that doesn't I didn't. I
Speaker 5: didn't like that that was brought into this fold.
Speaker 1: Yeah, gotcha.
Speaker 2: One time they said that the verse the drink First
Speaker 2: wasn't done as a yet.
Speaker 5: It doesn't matter when it was done. I don't care
Speaker 5: when it was done. You you added to it. You
Speaker 5: actually he actually had a verse after that verse, so
Speaker 5: you you even added to the verse, like pate etiquette
Speaker 5: for a situation like that, Just stay the hell away
Speaker 5: from me, like like I'm not I'm not into you anyway,
Speaker 5: Like I'm not even into your swag and none of that,
Speaker 5: Like it's not into none of it. So just stay away,
Speaker 5: like I only want to mess with the real, Like
Speaker 5: I'm only dealing with the real. I'm only you know,
Speaker 5: doing music with the real. We just I just let's
Speaker 5: just let's just this is like just drawing a line
Speaker 5: in the sand for everybody. What are you responsible for
Speaker 5: what an artist does on your record?
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm? Are you responsible for what the artist like.
Speaker 7: If it's Travis responsible for Drake's line.
Speaker 5: If you if you come and dance around in front
Speaker 5: of me and and use and use and use footage
Speaker 5: and do all this and all that. I think you're
Speaker 5: responsible for anything that you do that you incorporate the
Speaker 5: people that you know that are that are that are
Speaker 5: that are that are being you know, uh talked about.
Speaker 4: Of course, I can't believe you have to explain this.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm not just taking size of because my brother.
Speaker 5: I'm just saying, you know, like, but I'm.
Speaker 8: Talking about the artists who might approach you because of
Speaker 8: what you push your sex.
Speaker 4: I mean, listen, I ride with my brother. You know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. And that's the and that's the thing
Speaker 4: about this having purpose. I know what my purpose is.
Speaker 4: I'm making music with my brother and I'm glorifying my God.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm doing. And when you're in your purpose,
Speaker 4: if anything fall on you didn't follow you, at least
Speaker 4: you know you were where you were supposed to be.
Speaker 4: And That's where I'm at right now. So I'm cool
Speaker 4: with whatever.
Speaker 5: When people approach you for things, I say, approach that's
Speaker 5: all the time. But also also bed you say you
Speaker 5: got a video of Travis.
Speaker 1: Crime, no man.
Speaker 7: In front of me?
Speaker 5: Oh no, no, that that that wasn't that that's not
Speaker 5: about crying.
Speaker 7: So what's on the video?
Speaker 5: Oh man? You know yeah, you know, God damn, I
Speaker 5: got you.
Speaker 6: I'm glad.
Speaker 5: Because can't do interviews by yourself. How did you?
Speaker 1: Tyler creator phenomenal?
Speaker 5: Yeah, hell yeah right, Tyler's crazy man, Tyler ben We
Speaker 5: I mean since uh Trouble on my Mind, he's huge,
Speaker 5: uh star trek Neptune for real clips, uh fan like
Speaker 5: he knows the discography, you know, fromwards and backwards. He's
Speaker 5: He's spoken a lot about how his influence he's been
Speaker 5: influenced by things that we've done. But yeah, I mean trouble,
Speaker 5: I don't even remember the year of Trouble on my
Speaker 5: Mind came out, But since then, we've all he's been,
Speaker 5: always been cool, always been tight. And yeah he came
Speaker 5: through on POV he came through. How do you reconcile
Speaker 5: in nostalgia?
Speaker 8: Fans will feel for the old clips being at y'all
Speaker 8: totally different men today.
Speaker 5: I'd like to think that they've grown with us. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: I'd like to think that they have. And I think that,
Speaker 5: you know, I think that they've grown with us, and
Speaker 5: I feel like our growth is something that you know,
Speaker 5: needs to be studied and studied and just you know,
Speaker 5: maturing in hip hop, maturing in hip hop and just
Speaker 5: culturally just showing you how to navigate and grow in
Speaker 5: this game and still be current and still be you know,
Speaker 5: of the mix and you know, just just not trying
Speaker 5: to stay nineteen forever. Like, Yeah, when the last time
Speaker 5: you felt this safe? Because I can hear it in
Speaker 5: the music.
Speaker 8: You feel like a homecoming, right, Yeah, people with the
Speaker 8: things that y'all talking about. You got Malice back Live
Speaker 8: is on the album Yeah for rail production. When I'm
Speaker 8: watching you in interviews, I'm like, damn, Push is just
Speaker 8: letting it fly, all of it. Yeah, when did you
Speaker 8: what made you feel so safe in this moment?
Speaker 5: I don't, you know, I just think that I don't know.
Speaker 5: For me, I look at it like media has always
Speaker 5: been a big part of the Clips because it's always
Speaker 5: been a story. The Clips always has a story, and
Speaker 5: I don't necessarily think you can get up here and
Speaker 5: lie and play. People see through that, And I'm not
Speaker 5: want to be seen through, Like I don't like I'd
Speaker 5: rather just, you know, just tell the truth and call
Speaker 5: it today versus you know, sitting here trying to tap
Speaker 5: dance around things, so you know, I don't know. I
Speaker 5: think that it's not about feeling safe, it's just about
Speaker 5: you know, this is this is part of the game,
Speaker 5: and this is part of the game for us. And
Speaker 5: I feel like when you got the music to back
Speaker 5: it up, man, you gotta listen, you gotta you gotta
Speaker 5: be musty TV, you gotta be you don't enjoy rappers line.
Speaker 5: I think it was Madles on the album that was
Speaker 5: one of my favorite, and I wanted to say that
Speaker 5: you've been entertained by rappers you never believed or something
Speaker 5: not have sung along with I never believe. I wish
Speaker 5: I said that. I wish I said that. That's what
Speaker 5: that's I wish I wish I could have said the
Speaker 5: maceline and I wish I said that line. Those are
Speaker 5: my two takes.
Speaker 7: How that I was gonna say, do y'all do that
Speaker 7: all the time?
Speaker 5: Like if you too? If you to switch verses on
Speaker 5: like a classic Clips song, like he can't give me
Speaker 5: his verse. They're saying, I'm going to right now what
Speaker 5: y'all talking about? That's the debate online. I am go
Speaker 5: into I'm one too. Just off features No Off the
Speaker 5: Records I'm going to right now.
Speaker 4: No, every time, I'm sure, man, I just I just
Speaker 4: do me, man, And I think I think our personalities
Speaker 4: and experience lends itself to you know, just different scenarios
Speaker 4: or whatever.
Speaker 5: Different basis. I can't I can't do what push does?
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 4: I get that, and all I can do is be me.
Speaker 8: So you've never heard a push line and be like, damn,
Speaker 8: I wish I said that all the time.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, all the time. Yeah.
Speaker 9: I was going to ask at the listening that we
Speaker 9: went to, y'all talked about y'all didn't have a ton
Speaker 9: of music. Y'all are very particular about recording and this
Speaker 9: is the music we're going to do, and you've always
Speaker 9: been that way. But it's been so long, So how
Speaker 9: did you know what you wanted to say?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 7: How did you narrow it down to narrative?
Speaker 5: I think I think the key the thing that we
Speaker 5: were trying to find in the studio was urgency. Urgency
Speaker 5: was like the key word that regardless of what it was.
Speaker 5: It could be birds on sing, it had to be urgent.
Speaker 5: It had to tug at your heart. You know, if
Speaker 5: you listen to pov the flow had to be something
Speaker 5: of you know, or the bars had to be something
Speaker 5: of urgency. So it wasn't about it wasn't about honestly
Speaker 5: finding words or topics to rap about. It was just
Speaker 5: that the music needed to feel urgent the whole time.
Speaker 5: I think that was our I think that was our
Speaker 5: our biggest goal, just to make sure that that sense
Speaker 5: of urgency was there.
Speaker 2: Talk about what Virginia means to you guys.
Speaker 3: Because you get a lot of people that leave their
Speaker 3: city and they moved to New York, they moved to Jersey,
Speaker 3: they moved to Atlanta, they moved to the West. You
Speaker 3: guys have never left Virginia. So what does Virginia mean
Speaker 3: to you?
Speaker 5: For me, Virginia is everything.
Speaker 4: Childhood, upbringing, where my mother, grandmother and great grandmother hel
Speaker 4: from friends. You know, we were just talking about this.
Speaker 4: We have the same friends from you know, way back,
Speaker 4: and just certain ethics and standards of loyalty, you know
Speaker 4: that has been bred in Virginia. I absolutely love Virginia.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't want to move anywhere else. It's my pace,
Speaker 4: it's my stylus, it's what I know.
Speaker 5: It's home. Yeah, I think I think Virginia you know,
Speaker 5: for me and the fact of like never moving, I
Speaker 5: always felt like my music would suffered to write and
Speaker 5: would suffer. I've always felt like that. I don't. It's
Speaker 5: the comfort, the comfort of being there, and I think
Speaker 5: that it gives a different perspective. I feel like the Clips,
Speaker 5: Damn the clips. Clips. Yeah, I feel like Clips. I
Speaker 5: feel like Clips is different because of Virginia. I feel
Speaker 5: like the music that we and the influences that we've
Speaker 5: been afforded by living in Virginia, a military town, there
Speaker 5: were things I never knew about musically or would have
Speaker 5: never ran across if we weren't in Virginia. And you know,
Speaker 5: the flavor for yous, the mixtape shops, and you know,
Speaker 5: I was exposed to the Bay sound. I was exposed
Speaker 5: to Houston because of this town. And it was only
Speaker 5: because like it was such a military town that all
Speaker 5: these different influences came there musically. Even I mean even
Speaker 5: the late or early eighties, late eighties, the whole drug
Speaker 5: culture that the New York to Virginia pipeline that brought
Speaker 5: so much music, so much influence, it brought so much man.
Speaker 5: You you know, man, if you just think about if
Speaker 5: you if you just think, Yeah, if you just think
Speaker 5: about though, like the nineties, it was it was Mace,
Speaker 5: it was big, it was Wu Tang, it was everybody
Speaker 5: rapping about Virginia Beach like you know, just to to
Speaker 5: know like it was, and it was such it was
Speaker 5: so impressionable. I think that that that that gave us
Speaker 5: a lot of fuel, a lot of information, and a
Speaker 5: lot of different things to take from to create what
Speaker 5: the clips are today.
Speaker 3: When you met your wife, yes, do you know she
Speaker 3: was the one as soon as she said her name?
Speaker 5: No, no, not from Virginia. Yeah, that was crazy though,
Speaker 5: But from there to yeah, yeah for sure.
Speaker 4: So do y'all do y'all like go out in Virginia.
Speaker 5: I'm move around the total totally.
Speaker 11: Because a lot of rappers after from sorry, a lot
Speaker 11: of rappers like I have to leave their city because
Speaker 11: of that.
Speaker 2: You know, with love comes to.
Speaker 5: Hate, the bigger you get.
Speaker 4: Nah. You know, up at the office, they were just
Speaker 4: talking about what they hear about us at home and
Speaker 4: how we're out. You know, every time I'm in the
Speaker 4: grocery store, you know, I'm taking a picture by the
Speaker 4: peanut butter that I don't want to take.
Speaker 5: I'm not doing you know, with the people.
Speaker 4: But just you know, they catch me anywhere and they said,
Speaker 4: I'm out there officiating weddings and people see me at
Speaker 4: the gas station. Like you know, we go out. We
Speaker 4: definitely go out. And it feels good to be able
Speaker 4: to you know what I'm saying, Virginia, don't be tripping.
Speaker 5: Virginia's cool, but.
Speaker 7: Y'all are like that.
Speaker 9: Not everywhere, but like I saw that there was a
Speaker 9: video you in Miami, Push, and I'm like, where is
Speaker 9: all the people with him?
Speaker 7: Like you just walking around?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And what was the security was? I was one?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I had the man, I was. I was I
Speaker 5: was going to get uh. I was want to get
Speaker 5: a Mother's Day gift, I think, And you know southside man,
Speaker 5: he just walked.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 11: But you know you all laid back and chill.
Speaker 5: And you gotta be I mean, you know, you know,
Speaker 5: somebody got a man chill, nobody had a gun. Let's
Speaker 5: leave it there. What is what is the skin regiment?
Speaker 7: Because brother, Push, I'm sitting here, look yeah, and I've
Speaker 7: never seen the inside of somebody look so smooth like that.
Speaker 11: Like what you able to do is the diet?
Speaker 5: Is it? Like? What is it?
Speaker 4: I think I think it's working out.
Speaker 10: I don't know if it's no.
Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying that the die is that
Speaker 7: their diets or diet. Yeah, is that your diet?
Speaker 1: Is it?
Speaker 6: Like?
Speaker 5: What isn't?
Speaker 4: I think you know, we work out every day, you know,
Speaker 4: and we enjoy that. I think that's fine watching what
Speaker 4: you eat, you know. I think I think we are
Speaker 4: the first generation in our family, you know, reading labels
Speaker 4: and calorie counts and proteins and stuff like that. So
Speaker 4: maybe that's what it is.
Speaker 5: I don't know that skin is crazy song.
Speaker 4: Your skin too?
Speaker 6: All right? All right?
Speaker 5: He produced every song? Yeah, Yeah, that's what I feels.
Speaker 8: Like he took like a more when he when he
Speaker 8: produces for it's more like a minimalist approach.
Speaker 5: I think it's a direct approach. Yeah, I think it's
Speaker 5: it's I think it has a lot to do with
Speaker 5: our vocals being instruments and treating it, treating the vocal
Speaker 5: like a real instrument, like you know, versus like overproducing
Speaker 5: so much so much. This this centered around the word.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying when it comes to us
Speaker 5: that you have to let that breathe. And I think
Speaker 5: he takes that that direction.
Speaker 8: How does that change your well, how did that challenge
Speaker 8: your pin of delivery?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 5: Everything is about the raps anyway, It's always been about
Speaker 5: the raps. But I don't got a production bone in
Speaker 5: my body, so I ain't never gonna be able to
Speaker 5: lean on it. But so much, you know, I think
Speaker 5: I think that I think there's a standard that just
Speaker 5: comes with the writing. He just knows that it sounds
Speaker 5: best minimal with us cutting through. Yeah.
Speaker 8: So when the beat changes on a record, like with
Speaker 8: the record that, do you ever say that's why it
Speaker 8: was him, That's why he was on it.
Speaker 5: He asked for two eights. It was like, Yo, I
Speaker 5: got this change, give us two eights. When we heard
Speaker 5: the be we was like, oh, that's for Noads, I
Speaker 5: mean and just you know, just knowing, like you just
Speaker 5: know that that no, that that is that he was
Speaker 5: in a queen's bag of whatever, that was, whatever was
Speaker 5: inspiring him at the time. I was like, man, that
Speaker 5: was that was for Homie?
Speaker 9: I know DJ clues involved to right, Yeah, talk about
Speaker 9: in the project.
Speaker 5: Again, man, clue was he wasn't. What happened was you know,
Speaker 5: just again making the records, going through the records. Uh,
Speaker 5: we actually stole Clues drops from like just awful old
Speaker 5: mixtapes because we just felt that it fit. And you know,
Speaker 5: when he heard it, he was like, no, I got
Speaker 5: to redo these they don't belong. He book the studio,
Speaker 5: booked the studio and he had to he reconfigured everything
Speaker 5: he did and did it live. But it was just
Speaker 5: some of those records kind of sparked that nostalgia. And
Speaker 5: you know, when when when we're in the moment, you
Speaker 5: know whether it's a for real you know, if you
Speaker 5: hear Foraral singing the hook or you know, we wanted
Speaker 5: the hook that he's not going to stay on. We
Speaker 5: gotta kind of finish it just to see what it
Speaker 5: feels like. So we stole the drops and once Clue
Speaker 5: heard it, he you know, did it properly.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Talk about the Cousins Festival you got going on.
Speaker 5: R oh Man Cousins Festival. Cousins Festival is August thirtieth.
Speaker 5: It is the best time. It's Labor Day weekend and
Speaker 5: it is it's an indoor an outdoor festival. You know
Speaker 5: outdoor you have a Cousin's Festival stage. It's like all
Speaker 5: the DJs, you got backyard band, you got man, you know,
Speaker 5: drug food trucks. It's it's clue as its clue is
Speaker 5: is envy. It's a DJ booth.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we need just there.
Speaker 5: And then on the inside we have as as the
Speaker 5: as the day goes on, we have an inside, we
Speaker 5: have a show and that's gonna be g z T
Speaker 5: Pain Little Kim. And it's like it is the best
Speaker 5: one day festival time of of of of of Labor
Speaker 5: Day weekend in Virginia.
Speaker 3: Why don't you perform at the festival though? Because this
Speaker 3: is the second anyone?
Speaker 5: Right, yeah, this is the second one.
Speaker 1: Why don't you perform at your festival?
Speaker 5: H Well, actually we have a show already booked, so
Speaker 5: we ruined it. No, not the day of, not the
Speaker 5: day of, but you know, it just it just didn't
Speaker 5: make sense. And you know this is this is really
Speaker 5: about we take real polls, like yo, who y'all want
Speaker 5: to see? You know we just last year Yeah, last
Speaker 5: year was Rikabad Larry June, Lion babe host of d
Speaker 5: j's Jermaine you know, and this year, you know, this
Speaker 5: year we stepped it up a notch.
Speaker 9: The show you got already booked is at the Toy
Speaker 9: Work Game. Yes, sorry about that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, I know.
Speaker 12: I didn't say it, Kevin was because it's all good, man,
Speaker 12: It's all good.
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, I'm glad. I'm glad that we're
Speaker 5: going out there with Earth Game. Those guys are awesome,
Speaker 5: and I feel like the show is going to be incredible.
Speaker 5: Like what twenty five dates? Twenty five dates?
Speaker 2: You know, ga with the handle for a little bit.
Speaker 5: You know, I didn't know that. Oh wow, crazy.
Speaker 8: I's got a couple more questions, man mouth. How is
Speaker 8: your journey as a pastor, your spiritual journey?
Speaker 5: Why does a pastor?
Speaker 4: No, I'm not, I could I could be.
Speaker 5: I'm not a pastor your spiritual journey?
Speaker 8: How's that helping you navigate this current climbing and hip
Speaker 8: hop but also this current journey to clips wrong?
Speaker 4: It helps me with my journey through life with everything,
Speaker 4: I feel like I actually don't know how you can
Speaker 4: do it without God anything. Let all things be done
Speaker 4: decently and in order, And no matter what you're doing,
Speaker 4: you need to have the Word of God with you,
Speaker 4: even if it's only to help you in understanding things
Speaker 4: around you that you can't change. You know, to have peace? Uh,
Speaker 4: in peace with yourself. So it's everything to me. God,
Speaker 4: God is everything to me first and foremost. And that's
Speaker 4: not that's not cliche like I need Jesus like I
Speaker 4: need water and food.
Speaker 5: It's a fact.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Well, what's what's the song on the new album? You
Speaker 5: think people are gonna completely misinterpret?
Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't care you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: I don't I don't know.
Speaker 6: It could be the whole album.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's get into a join of the album. What
Speaker 2: y'all want to hear?
Speaker 1: Not the two joints I have been playing fight?
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, let's get into that.
Speaker 1: You got to send that to me please.
Speaker 10: Already?
Speaker 5: Or do birds on sing?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 5: Yeah, two birds on sing? Sure?
Speaker 1: That's powerful.
Speaker 2: Well, I appreciate you bubs for joining.
Speaker 5: Us, thanks for having thank you, thank you very much
Speaker 5: on y'all. But we're gonna have to wait another fifteen
Speaker 5: years or nah no, no, I don't think so okay, Yeah.
Speaker 7: I don't know, y'all just so happy.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's why when I said the safe space thing, like,
Speaker 8: I can really see that, I can see how this
Speaker 8: is like a divine protection with all together having an
Speaker 8: individual when y'all together.
Speaker 5: You can.
Speaker 6: I'm with that.
Speaker 4: I'm with that.
Speaker 5: I feel that, I see that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and this is just that.
Speaker 7: Ch'a would question how many people still think y'all twins?
Speaker 5: Everybody? Okay, am you?
Speaker 1: Growing up?
Speaker 7: I was like, they are twins.
Speaker 4: I will I will all get people down.
Speaker 2: Because they was right from down the street.
Speaker 5: I'm from Baltimore, you know they right there.
Speaker 11: But I got a family in Virginia, and I was
Speaker 11: even telling the Virginians, Yo, they're twins.
Speaker 5: Were like, no, they not, so my bad.
Speaker 11: Okay, but people do say that it wasn't everybody exactly.
Speaker 2: Let's get into the record.
Speaker 1: One last thing.
Speaker 3: Is there ever a problem you say, like, I'm not
Speaker 3: going there with push It Like if pushes going to
Speaker 3: a spot.
Speaker 1: A strip club to host it or he's going to
Speaker 1: strip like that.
Speaker 2: I'm not doing that, yo.
Speaker 4: Everybody keeps putting you in the strip club.
Speaker 5: For every in the strip club, I usually don't. I
Speaker 5: mean my book. But work is work, work is work.
Speaker 2: It's clips its morning.
Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning. The breakfast club