1 00:00:01,600 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Son of a Butsch podcast. I 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 1: am your host, Claude Harmon. A couple of weeks off, 3 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:09,040 Speaker 1: I was in the UK for the Open Championship and 4 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 1: for the live event there. Ryan Fox is a major 5 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:19,440 Speaker 1: champion and but doing this pretty much all year, kind 6 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: of recapping the major championships. The last major of the 7 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: year of the Open Championship at Birkdale. But I think 8 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 1: it's always trying to figure out how players win majors. 9 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 1: Majors are really kind of different than regular tour events, 10 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: and I just think it's a theme that we've stuck 11 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 1: with this year. I think you can learn a lot 12 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: about your game from watching how players play major championships. 13 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 1: Ryan Chrysler joins me again this week. Or see a 14 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 1: really interesting tournament, a really interesting weekend, and I think 15 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 1: some really interesting takeaways for everyone listening. What do you 16 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 1: think you saw from Ryan Fox that was different than 17 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 1: maybe we've seen before from from Ryan Fox. 18 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he's won a couple times in the 19 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 2: PGA Tour, so this is not a nobody, but nobody 20 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 2: really had him in the crosshairs to be in contention 21 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 2: at the beginning of this tournament. But what we saw 22 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 2: down the stretch was a real unique golf swing that 23 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 2: nobody would teach. You saw some really clutch shots. You 24 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:33,320 Speaker 2: saw a play out of the bunker going backwards or sideways. 25 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:34,960 Speaker 1: Just definitely going to talk about that one. 26 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 2: And you just saw what equates to a normal guy 27 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:42,320 Speaker 2: from New Zealand. He's got a score, he's got a 28 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 2: beat that's already posting the cliphouse from Cam Young, and 29 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 2: he's got to go out there and there's really nothing 30 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 2: to lose. He hits the shots and comes on the 31 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 2: eighteenth and he makes it. Just a great story, just 32 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 2: a great watch on Sunday for sure. 33 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. Ryan Fox has a kind of unique golf swing. 34 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: Flares out that left foot at an issue with his 35 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: left foot, so that's all by design. Very unique golf swing, 36 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:09,360 Speaker 1: really kind of drops it down, hits up on the 37 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:11,839 Speaker 1: golf ball a lot. Camp Smith played a practice round 38 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 1: with Ryan at the PGA, so got to walk nine 39 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: holes with him. He's easily one of the coolest, most 40 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:20,919 Speaker 1: likable guys on the PGA tour. I think one of 41 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 1: the interesting things for all the juniors listing and for 42 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:27,080 Speaker 1: all the parents of junior golfers. He was an athlete 43 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:30,920 Speaker 1: his father was an All Black rugby player. He didn't 44 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 1: start playing golf till he was seventeen years old. So 45 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 1: you have someone that just won a major championship that 46 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: didn't even start playing golf RC until he was seventeen. 47 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: How many juniors do we see by the time they're 48 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 1: seventeen years old, they're so burned out from playing so 49 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 1: much golf. Here's a guy that just won a major championship, 50 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 1: a Clarret jug and he'd start playing golf till he 51 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:56,359 Speaker 1: was seventeen. 52 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, wild story. The one guy I can think of, 53 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:01,639 Speaker 2: maybe back in time as Larry Nelson, kind of late 54 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 2: starting golf winning major championships. But you know, we talk 55 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 2: about this, you know, day to day with our TPI 56 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 2: history and our TPI knowledge. Is like, you just got 57 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 2: to be an athlete first. 58 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: He said that in his interview. He played multiple multiple sports. 59 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:20,679 Speaker 2: And his dad was one of the superheroes in the 60 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 2: All Blacks. Yeah, and I understand too. So coming from 61 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 2: that in a small country where the All Blacks are 62 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 2: kind of like the Dallas Cowboys in the NFL for football, 63 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 2: I mean, unbelievable pressure potentially as a kid growing up 64 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 2: because he played rugby, in tennis and cricket, and he 65 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 2: settled into golf like after I think maybe right as 66 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 2: high school was ending in seventeen. He's only thirty nine 67 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 2: right now, so he's only been playing twenty two years. 68 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's I mean, if you look at how much 69 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: and it's something that we see a lot with junior golfers. 70 00:03:55,240 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: There's so much burnout. I mean, I see more junior 71 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: golfers better. They're better when they're fifteen sixteen than they 72 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 1: are when they're twenty than when they're twenty one. Right 73 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 1: by the time they get to college, if they go 74 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 1: that route, I mean, we see more players get worse 75 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 1: as they get older as opposed to getting better. Here's 76 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 1: the guy, and I think if you look at the 77 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 1: way he plays, how quickly he plays, so refreshing. The 78 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 1: putt that he hit to win, how to putt to 79 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 1: win the Open Championship, Sam Burns holes out. It took 80 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 1: twenty two seconds for him to hit it. There was 81 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: a video earlier this year from a college player at Nationals. 82 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:45,160 Speaker 1: I think that was taking, you know, so long over 83 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: just a standard four foot par pott. I mean he 84 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: couldn't pull the trigger. And here you've got a guy 85 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 1: that took twenty two seconds. I think one of the 86 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 1: big takeaways that I think everybody can learn from what 87 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: Ryan Fox did. He is arguably the fastest player in 88 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: the game. Seaball hit ball point shoot. But he said, listen, 89 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:08,359 Speaker 1: the longer I stand over it, the more time I 90 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 1: have to think about the negative and not positive. And 91 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 1: we've talked about that on the pod. The longer you 92 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:19,160 Speaker 1: stand there, I think most golfers are doing everything they 93 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 1: can possibly do when they do take a lot of 94 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 1: time to hit a shot. In my opinion, they're taking 95 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 1: time because they're trying to go through every possible scenario, 96 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 1: leave no stone unturned so that they don't have a 97 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 1: bad outcome or they don't hit a bad shot. You're 98 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 1: not taking two three minutes over a shot, taking a 99 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 1: long time because you're thinking of positive things. So I 100 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 1: think one of the biggest takeaways in watching and you 101 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: can go back and watch how quickly you know YouTube 102 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 1: has all these highlights you go back and watch. But 103 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:55,160 Speaker 1: he said in his post round interview, I don't want 104 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:58,039 Speaker 1: this to come out wrong, but how difficult is it 105 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 1: to get the number? And then he said, listen, it's 106 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 1: not like you're going to get a yardage and it 107 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 1: could be four different. 108 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:06,840 Speaker 2: Clubs you hit, it's gonna be two. 109 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 1: It's probably going to be one or the other. Right, 110 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 1: So if you're in between six and seven, it's a 111 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:16,479 Speaker 1: choice between six and seven. Ryan said he's always just 112 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:21,919 Speaker 1: been able to make that decision fast. I think a 113 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: lot of that comes from his multi sport athlete background 114 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 1: for sure. Where rugby, tennis, I mean team sports, you're 115 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 1: reacting because the game is moving so fast. In golf, 116 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 1: I think one of the hardest parts about golf is 117 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: it takes a long time and there's a tremendous amount 118 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 1: of time in between shots. And I think in his 119 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: post round interviews he talked about that. He said, listen, 120 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:52,479 Speaker 1: once I figure out what decision I'm going to make, 121 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 1: I only really have to concentrate for twenty thirty seconds 122 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: and then I can switch back off. Most people are 123 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 1: it's the opposite. There's never the switch off, right, It's 124 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: always kind of outcome outcome outcome outcome, don't don't fear fear, 125 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: And I think one of the most refreshing things about 126 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: watching the way he played on Sunday is how decisive 127 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 1: the thinking was. I also think, like you said, there's 128 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: nobody really picking Ryan Fox. It's not a knock against 129 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: Ryan Fox. He's just he's not a superstars, a very 130 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 1: good player, and I think his game showed what it 131 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: can do under pressure. He's tied for eighty fifth after 132 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 1: the first round, makes the cut, he's tied for fifty second, right, 133 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 1: so not one of the leaders. Not knocking the flag down. 134 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 1: And then on Saturday shoots sixty two, Hello, twenty nine 135 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 1: on the front, Bertie's two, three, five, six, eight, ten bogies, 136 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: thirteen birdie, he's fourteen, Bertie's sixteen birdie, seventeen eighteen. He 137 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 1: hit it into the bunker off the tee. I was 138 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: doing commentary at the Open Championship for Sky and I 139 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 1: mean had to get the ball up really really quick. 140 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: His golf swing and what he does in his golf 141 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 1: swing I think helps him in that situation. But they 142 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 1: ran the super slow motion video of the shot out 143 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 1: of the bunker and it clipped the top of the bunker. 144 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: It clips the top of the bunker. If that stays 145 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:35,319 Speaker 1: in the bunker, it's a very very different, different tournament, 146 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 1: different tournament. And I talked to his caddy Dean about 147 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 1: it after the round on Saturday. He said he had 148 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: a similar shot out of a bunker when he won 149 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 1: the BMWPGA at Wentworth and he said he hit one 150 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: with a short iron out of a bunker. They had 151 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 1: like two over two hundred yards to go. He thought 152 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: he was laying up and he went for it and 153 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: got it to the green sixty two on Saturday. There 154 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 1: were a couple that day puts him in the last group, 155 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: which for Ryan Fox he hasn't been in the last 156 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 1: group in a major championship before, with a chance to 157 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: win and goes out. He stand on the eleventh or 158 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 1: the twelfth t is one over par right and Cam 159 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 1: Young has posted nine under shot an unbelievable round. And 160 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 1: I think that's one of the other things RC that's 161 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: unique about how Ryan Fox did it. It was very 162 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: similar when brooks kept go won the US Open at Chinnacock. 163 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 1: Tommy fleet Wood shot zero sixty two or sixty three, 164 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 1: posted it and Brookes said, I played the entire round 165 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: knowing that Tommy Fleetwood never had to hit another shot, 166 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 1: he never had to make another pot, he never had 167 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:49,559 Speaker 1: to hit another T shot. So I think the mindset 168 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 1: for Ryan Fox's Cam Young's already posted nine under, so 169 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 1: you kind of know what you need to do, and 170 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: you know to stand on that twelfth hole, he gets 171 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 1: up and down, hits at the front bunk of the 172 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 1: par three and gets it up and down. And then 173 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 1: Bertie's thirteen fourteen hits a really really good shot on 174 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:19,839 Speaker 1: a new par three that they lengthened to two hundred 175 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 1: and forty one yards the fifteenth hole, and he hit 176 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: a really good aggressive shot at the flag, comes up 177 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:32,319 Speaker 1: into one of these coffin type bunkers, and I think 178 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 1: a lot of players maybe would have made a bigger 179 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 1: number there. One of the things that we've been preaching 180 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: on the podcast all year is there's such a thing 181 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:47,679 Speaker 1: as a great bogie. He took no time and hit 182 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: backwards out of a bunker, made the Bogeye said in 183 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 1: his post round press conference RC he probably wouldn't have 184 00:10:55,679 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: been as happy making par as he was making bogey. 185 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 1: Brooks Kepka talked about this no double bogies. I think 186 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: if he makes double in that situation, the tournament's over. 187 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. These are momentum holes, momentum pars, and mintum bogies, and. 188 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 1: He's coming off of two birdies in a row to 189 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 1: where he's right around the lead now. Seventeen played all 190 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 1: week one of the easiest holes on the golf course. 191 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 1: Sixteen was one of the few birdy the real kind 192 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:28,680 Speaker 1: of green light birdie holes all week, and eighteen was 193 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: the hardest hole all week. So you know you're not 194 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: going to make birdie on eighteen, so you're trying to 195 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: somehow bertie sixteen, birdie seventeen. Fifteen the par three because 196 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: they lengthened it so much. You're just trying to get 197 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 1: out of there with parr. But I think in that 198 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 1: situation to have the mental clarity, I mean, if you 199 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 1: go back and watch, he doesn't even think about any 200 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 1: other options. He get its in there, he makes a 201 00:11:55,679 --> 00:12:01,439 Speaker 1: really really quick decision on the situation he's in, and 202 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: he goes backwards and makes a really really good par Yeah. 203 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think did Cam post like right when he's 204 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 2: making the turn somewhere around there? So you had a 205 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 2: back nine of a major championship to go post a 206 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 2: number knowing that he had to meet nine under or better. 207 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 2: And that's definitely having not scovered out there in front 208 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 2: of you. I can definitely simplify things for sure. 209 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:26,839 Speaker 1: Yeah. I think what it does is it you realize 210 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 1: that mistakes are going to be crucial. And I think 211 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 1: hitting it into that bunker on fifteen, he knows what's 212 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 1: already the lead, right, Like I said, Cam Young's in 213 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 1: player dining and on the driving range, right, he's already 214 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 1: done his work. Fantastic final round. And I think kind 215 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:50,679 Speaker 1: of knowing what you have to do can provide a 216 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 1: tremendous amount of clarity and kind of simplify the decisions 217 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 1: that you make. 218 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's a lot of lessons you can 219 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 2: take home with our players, especially lately this summer, and 220 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 2: we've been talking about how is how are the other 221 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 2: players plan? Is there anything we can do to change 222 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 2: our game plan for the next round, something like that. 223 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 2: So you can take this home. If you're a ten 224 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 2: hendicap and if your average scores eighty two and you're 225 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 2: five or six over after the front nine, we know 226 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 2: we're in a good position to play our average, right, 227 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:27,840 Speaker 2: So you can potentially kind of be comfortable making a 228 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:30,839 Speaker 2: bogie here, bogie there, and we can still come home 229 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 2: and something maybe below eighty two something like that. So 230 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 2: I think there's a good lesson to learn it's okay 231 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:40,839 Speaker 2: to look at the numbers and the scores and try 232 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 2: to make decisions. Trying to match those numbers will beat them. 233 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:51,599 Speaker 1: So it makes a really good bogie on fifteen, birdie sixteen, 234 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 1: and then just misses the fairway on seventeen, which he 235 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 1: could easily get. 236 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 2: To everyone's birdie in seventeen and. 237 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 1: Has to kind of squat down in a bunk of 238 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 1: the ball was way below his feet. It's a really, 239 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 1: really risky shot. So he doesn't make birdie on seventy, 240 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 1: doesn't take an advantage of it, and then eighteen he 241 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:15,680 Speaker 1: said to his caddy, listen, and I think this is 242 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 1: to me the best takeaway. He said to his caddy, 243 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: we are going to take this on. We are going 244 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 1: to try. So he's standing there. They're in the last group. 245 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 1: He and Sam Burns are in the last group. He's 246 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 1: nine under. He knows that he's tired, he's tied, so 247 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: he knows that he's going The decision maybe is different 248 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 1: if he birdie's seventeen and goes to eighteen with a 249 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 1: one shot lead. But he said, listen to his caddy, 250 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 1: we are going to take this on. We're going to 251 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 1: try and win the golf tournament, and we are going 252 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 1: to deal with the consequences of that decision after Again, 253 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 1: that's really really clear thinking the walk from seventeen to 254 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 1: eighteen isn't really that long. You kind of come off, 255 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 1: go back to the left of the green, and then 256 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: there's a pretty good walk because they've moved the tee. 257 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 1: But it's not a massive amount of time. But I 258 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: think he made the decision already. You don't walk to 259 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 1: the eighteenth tee, stand there, look at it and go 260 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 1: because you know you're not going to make birdie on 261 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 1: that hole hitting three wood or hitting an iron off 262 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 1: the tee. You're just not The hole's too long. You're 263 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 1: going to have too long of a shot going in. 264 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 1: And he roasted the driver down dead center, middle of 265 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 1: the club face, hits it to eleven feet, takes twenty 266 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 1: two And he said in his post round press conference, 267 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 1: or see, he was so nervous, he was shaking. 268 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 2: Couldn't feel his hands. 269 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 1: He said, all he was doing was just hopefully trying 270 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 1: to get the ball somewhere close to the hole. But 271 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 1: I think the fact that again. 272 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 2: He played eighteen like an asp Yeah, an athlete should. 273 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 1: Reacting to the situation, not taking an enormous amount of time. 274 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 2: Ten seconds left in the game, Give me the ball 275 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 2: ive going down, I'm gonna shoot. 276 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 1: Yeah. And I think sometimes as golfers react, be an 277 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 1: athlete react to what you see, as opposed to trying 278 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 1: to constantly analyze and overanalyze all the risk, all the risk. 279 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 1: I think that's I mean, Bertie's at thirteen, Bertie's at fourteen, 280 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 1: Bertie's at sixteen. He Birdie's the eighteenth hole. And I 281 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 1: mean there was that horrendous video of Cam Young warming up. 282 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 1: He's on the driving range. He can hear, you know, 283 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 1: the roar on eighteen. I've been on the other side 284 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: of that. I was working with Ernie Els when he 285 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 1: won the Open Championship in twenty twelve at Live Them. 286 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 1: We were standing on the putting green. We didn't know 287 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 1: if we were going to get into a playoff. Adam Scott, 288 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 1: you know, had a big lead Ernie Birdie the eighteenth hole. 289 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 1: We went to the putt and green just to kind 290 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:04,639 Speaker 1: of see and Scotty, you know, bogied what four or 291 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 1: five in a row coming down the stretch. So I've 292 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 1: been on the other side of that to where we 293 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:10,880 Speaker 1: were on the putting green, and we heard the fact 294 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 1: that he missed the pott and already won. Heartbreaking, I'm 295 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: sure for Cam Young, but I just thought it was 296 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 1: a really refreshing win, and I think the way he 297 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 1: won it, there are so many things you can take 298 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 1: away from how he played it, not the golf swing, 299 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 1: not the technique, just the decision making and the game plan. 300 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, the decision making, the game plan, the commitment to 301 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 2: the shots, and the fast play is just so refreshing 302 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:49,880 Speaker 2: and provides a good example for everyone at home that 303 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:52,919 Speaker 2: you can win a major without taking two minutes to 304 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 2: make that last put. 305 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:58,400 Speaker 1: How do you think players can get into that space 306 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 1: and loan to kind of react like, right? I mean 307 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 1: it is a skill, right, I mean it takes time. 308 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 2: And he talked about how, like early in his career 309 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 2: he couldn't turn it off. And we have juniors that 310 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 2: are always on basically, or college players that are always on, 311 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:16,879 Speaker 2: even some pros that are just always on. And your 312 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 2: energy is eventually going to run out, whether it's the 313 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 2: second or third round, or it's the fifteenth hole. You're 314 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:26,639 Speaker 2: just out of das mentally, you start losing it, you 315 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:28,920 Speaker 2: start pressing whatever the case may be. 316 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 1: I think that's one of the things that when Brooks 317 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 1: Keepko was kind of dominant in his major championship run, 318 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 1: he and his caddie, Ricky Elliott, they did it an 319 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:43,160 Speaker 1: amazing job of in these majors under the most pressure. 320 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 1: They were never talking about golf. I remember at Aaron 321 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:50,679 Speaker 1: Hills when Brooks won in seventeen, his first major championship. 322 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 1: I think it was down the stretch fourteen there was 323 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 1: a hole down the stretch where he chose iron off 324 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 1: the tee, barely got it to the fairway and then 325 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 1: hit a beautiful little knockdown nine iron to about twelve feet. 326 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 1: Made it, he said. From the tea box down to 327 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 1: the shot that they hit, they were talking they always 328 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 1: took a trip at the end of the year and 329 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 1: the off sen and they were talking about taking a 330 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 1: trip to Thailand. They were talking about where they were 331 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 1: thinking about going and stuff. So again not even talking 332 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 1: about under the most pressure. Now, that is a skill 333 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 1: that is something that you can practice, and I think 334 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:31,399 Speaker 1: one of the ways to do it if you're first 335 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 1: to hit on the PGA tour time wise you get 336 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 1: is how long. 337 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 2: I believe you get an extra ten seconds or fifteen 338 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 2: seconds per tee shots, so probably looking at forty forty 339 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 2: five seconds. 340 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 1: Okay, so let's just say forty five seconds. One of 341 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 1: the ways that you can practice this is on the 342 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 1: driving range. Hit a shot with a seven iron, put 343 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 1: a timer on your phone, put in forty five seconds 344 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 1: and start the clock and see if you can go 345 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:03,359 Speaker 1: through your routine. Pick a target out, hit a good 346 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:07,159 Speaker 1: shot in a condensed time frame. Forty five seconds is 347 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:10,400 Speaker 1: an eternity if you don't think it is, just as 348 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 1: soon as you get done. Listen to the podcast, Go 349 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 1: sit in your car, hit the timer for forty five 350 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 1: seconds and don't do anything and think about how much 351 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 1: time that really is. But on the golf course it's 352 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 1: almost like people feel like they don't have enough time. 353 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 1: So I think it's a skill that you can practice 354 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 1: in your practice sessions on the driving range. Pick out 355 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 1: a target, go play three shots, hit a drive, hit 356 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 1: an iron shot, hit a wed shot, and try and 357 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:45,159 Speaker 1: do all of those in forty five seconds with a 358 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:49,920 Speaker 1: timer on, and see if you can execute. Hit your target, 359 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:53,920 Speaker 1: hit your fair ways, hit your greens in a time frame. 360 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 1: I would imagine most people when they first start doing 361 00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:00,080 Speaker 1: this are going to feel very very rush. 362 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,440 Speaker 2: Right, and we practiced like that with Josh. We'll have 363 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 2: a thirty forty five second high intense cardio to get 364 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 2: the heart rate up. Then we have to go execute 365 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 2: a ta shot, and iron shot, a tip shot, and 366 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 2: the putt, and we give the guys four minutes to 367 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:14,119 Speaker 2: do it. So they're coming in with a high heart rate, 368 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 2: four minutes to hit four different shots, and they have 369 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:19,479 Speaker 2: to walk between those areas that we've designed on our 370 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 2: practice team. We've literally practiced that and built that into 371 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 2: our coaching, and it's something you can easily do at 372 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:27,400 Speaker 2: home to kind of create and even shrink down the time. 373 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 2: You can make it even faster if you want to 374 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 2: do let's call it thirty seconds, how many shots you 375 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:35,200 Speaker 2: can hit in maybe two minutes. And we can literally 376 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 2: practice like that, and that's how our team practices, and 377 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:40,879 Speaker 2: that's how a lot of our pros practice. Try to 378 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 2: speed up the game so when you actually get to 379 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 2: the course, the game starts to slow down. 380 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:48,360 Speaker 1: I think one of the things that everybody could benefit 381 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 1: from is go get a eleven foot pot and give 382 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:57,920 Speaker 1: yourself twenty two seconds to pull the trigger. That's going 383 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:00,199 Speaker 1: to be really, really hard. Again, put the timer or 384 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:05,440 Speaker 1: on your phone, put it down, and say, okay, can 385 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:09,920 Speaker 1: I execute in twenty two seconds? Again, put twenty two 386 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 1: seconds on your phone and don't do anything. It's longer 387 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 1: than it seems for sure. And I think that type 388 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 1: of practice it can really help you clear your mind, 389 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 1: have to kind of make conscious decisions, not overanalyze, not 390 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: self doubt, not bad self talk. Condense the timeframe in 391 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:41,120 Speaker 1: practice so that on the golf course try it as well. 392 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,680 Speaker 1: Take your phone out on the golf course and say, Okay, 393 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 1: I'm going to go to the hardest hole on my 394 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 1: home course. I'm going to go to my nemesis hole, 395 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 1: and I'm going to see if I can execute under 396 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 1: a shot clock and I have to execute in a 397 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:00,440 Speaker 1: defined time zone. 398 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that'd be a great way to play. 399 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 2: Put yourself on a timer, put yourself under the gun, 400 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 2: under the clock, just like every other sport out there, 401 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 2: and then see how you can execute. Because it basically 402 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 2: over time, it'll condition you to narrow that focus into 403 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 2: what we need to do instead of what we don't 404 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:17,399 Speaker 2: want to do. 405 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,640 Speaker 1: I think there is a massive difference between and I've 406 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,879 Speaker 1: said this more times than I can count on the pod. 407 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 1: There's a big difference between trying to hit a good 408 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 1: shot and there's a big difference between trying not to 409 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,119 Speaker 1: take a bad shot. Ryan Fox stood up on the 410 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:37,200 Speaker 1: eighteenth hole, the seventy second hole, tied to it. He'd 411 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 1: never been there. That is as high on the mountain 412 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 1: as he is. That is the death zone on Everest. 413 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 1: That is that's it Camp four. That is the hillary 414 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 1: step trying to figure out. So you have no idea 415 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 1: how you're going to react in that situation. And he 416 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 1: has nothing to draw on. He has no data points 417 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 1: having been in He's never been in the last group, 418 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 1: you know, in a major championship, tied for the lead. 419 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 1: Stand on the seventy second hole, which is the hardest 420 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 1: hole on the golf course. It's the hardest hole all week. 421 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 1: It's one of the hardest holes in And now that 422 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 1: they've changed it, they've moved the tee. The tee used 423 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 1: to kind of be if you look at the seventeenth 424 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,680 Speaker 1: green from the fairway, the tea was kind of over 425 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 1: to the left hand side. They moved it way way back, 426 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:30,399 Speaker 1: and it's one of those tea shots. It's one of 427 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 1: those iron shots. It's one of those holes, and you're 428 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 1: always going to have these in golf where you just 429 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,399 Speaker 1: have to stand up and hit a good shot. There's 430 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 1: no margin for error if you miss the fairway if 431 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,359 Speaker 1: you hit it in one of their Lucas Herbert on 432 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 1: Saturday at a chance to shoot sixty one and leaked 433 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 1: to drive to the right and ended up making bogie 434 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 1: for sixty one shot sixty two on the Saturday round 435 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 1: that Ryan Fox shot sixty two. Kind of got lucky 436 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 1: that the ball didn't hit the lip and come back 437 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 1: to him, but there was no bailout. If you want 438 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 1: to birdy that hole, you have to stand up. You 439 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 1: either have to chip one in hole a sixty footer, 440 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,440 Speaker 1: or you just have to stand up and hammer a 441 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 1: drive down there to the middle of the fairway and 442 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 1: stand up and hit a great iron shot till eleven feet. 443 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's no consequences. 444 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 1: He's going to do it, and I think what he 445 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 1: said to his caddy, we will deal with the consequences 446 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: of our actions after this, but what we're not going 447 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:41,120 Speaker 1: to do is try and not lose the golf tournament. 448 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 1: He wasn't trying to get into a playoff. He was 449 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 1: trying to win the Open Championship. Ye. The mindset walking 450 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,639 Speaker 1: up to the tee was, we are going to do 451 00:25:52,760 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 1: this Andy Sanders, who Kate or Jimmy Walker. He was 452 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 1: on the bag with Jimmy when they woned Balta Stroll 453 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,239 Speaker 1: and Jimmy told me the story. Andy was an All 454 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 1: American golfer at University of Houston. He was a really 455 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 1: good player. They were standing in the fairway part five. 456 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,200 Speaker 1: Jason Day makes eagle right in front of them, and 457 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:22,119 Speaker 1: Jimmy told me that they watch Jason Day make eagle 458 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:24,880 Speaker 1: right in front of him. He said the number they 459 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 1: had was an easy number they had. It was a 460 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 1: club that they weren't gonna have to jump on to 461 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,440 Speaker 1: get to the get to the green, so he could 462 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,919 Speaker 1: easily get there into He said he looked at Andy. 463 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 1: Andy never looked at him, and he was looking at 464 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 1: the green. And the roarer went in and he looked 465 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 1: over at him and he said, Andy didn't even look 466 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:48,199 Speaker 1: at him, and said that doesn't change one decision we're making. 467 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 1: It's a perfect number for us, and we're going for it. 468 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 1: And I think that clarity in those situations, there's so 469 00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 1: much to learn from that. And I think that if 470 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 1: Ryan Fox doesn't get it done if he doesn't make 471 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:09,159 Speaker 1: birdie or if he makes bogie, he can look himself 472 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 1: in the mirror that night and say, you know what, 473 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,119 Speaker 1: I tried to win the golf tournament. I tried to 474 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:19,920 Speaker 1: win the Open Championship. I wasn't being reckless. I stood up, 475 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 1: hammered a driver, hit an iron shot to eleven feet, 476 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 1: made the pot in under twenty two seconds, and I 477 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 1: get a Clairet jug That's a choice you can make 478 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 1: every hole you play, every shot you hit correct. 479 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 2: Just a great refreshing watch and something you can take 480 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 2: home to apply to your own game, no matter what 481 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 2: your handicap is. Score out there and execute shots. Deal 482 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:47,440 Speaker 2: with the consequences after the round. 483 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 1: Because what we see Ryan, the worst the round is 484 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:56,200 Speaker 1: on the golf course. Once the round starts to go sideways, 485 00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 1: that's when we see players start to slower. 486 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 2: Slower, gamble, not trying to get the car back on 487 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:05,679 Speaker 2: the racetrack. 488 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:10,920 Speaker 1: And what we saw was under the most pressure you're 489 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 1: ever going to have as a golfer, playing the eighteenth 490 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 1: hole on a major championship, tied for the lead. I 491 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 1: think it's just a great lesson in that stand up 492 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 1: focus on your process, don't think about the outcome. Accept 493 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:39,479 Speaker 1: the challenge, understand that it's difficult, and commit to trying 494 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 1: to hit good shots. I started doing some work about 495 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 1: a month ago with Lori Canter and Laurie was playing 496 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 1: at the Open and I said, listen, you made the cut. 497 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 1: I said, you get thirty six holes to try and 498 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 1: just commit on every single shot. You're smart enough to 499 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 1: know you're not going to hit every shot perfect. You're 500 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 1: smart enough to know you're not ever going to make 501 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 1: a bad swing. You're gonna make bad swings. You're gonna 502 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 1: hit bad shots. But commit to the process, commit to 503 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 1: doing everything you can possibly do to hit good shots. 504 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 2: I think LC was if he was tied with Fox 505 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 2: or maybe one back of Fox going into Saturday, and 506 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 2: so he was right in there, easily could have happened 507 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 2: to him. 508 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 1: I think a bad result off of good decision is 509 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 1: not a mistake. 510 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 2: Not a mistake, and that happened. Happened a lot last 511 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 2: at the Bridge, the. 512 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 1: Fifteenth hole, he hit a really good shot. They asked 513 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 1: him in the press conference afterwards, if you could hit 514 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 1: the shot on fifteen again off the tee, would you 515 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 1: take it? He said, I'd hit the exact same shot. 516 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:50,719 Speaker 1: I got unlucky with the bounce. But he didn't lose 517 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 1: the golf tournament because he hit a bad shot that 518 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 1: kind of got unlucky and kicked into a bunker where 519 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,479 Speaker 1: he really had no shot to make par. And I 520 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 1: think the athlete in him, the quickness of the decision, 521 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 1: takes a lot of the result out of it. He's like, Okay, 522 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 1: I don't have an option to try and make par here. 523 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 1: I am going to make bogie here, and I'm going 524 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 1: to get out of here and go to sixteen, Bertie 525 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 1: sixteen and seventeen and win this golf tournament. Bertie sixteen 526 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 1: does in Bertie seventeen and does the thing that nobody 527 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 1: was doing, which is Burty eighteen. 528 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, nobody was doing that. I think it's one of 529 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 2: the things we talked about in terms of Link's golf, 530 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,479 Speaker 2: and especially the way the conditions were Birkedale hot and 531 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 2: Wendy was you could definitely hit a lot of good 532 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 2: shots and just because of the nuances that the green, 533 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 2: that ball could trickle way off, like ball could trickle 534 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 2: into a bunker next to his slide. So we saw 535 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 2: that with Xander as he was playing with Fox on Saturday. 536 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 2: A lot of stuff that would never happen here in 537 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 2: the US some most courses, right, because we're not that 538 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,720 Speaker 2: firm and fast. So a lot of patience was involved 539 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 2: and a little bit of luck was involved. But being 540 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 2: able to make those decisions and not suffer the consequences 541 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 2: until after the round is a very cool sports side moment. 542 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:10,800 Speaker 2: I think. 543 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,360 Speaker 1: I think what he also did on the front after 544 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 1: shooting a really low round on Saturday sixty two. I mean, 545 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,360 Speaker 1: it's one of the cliches we always say, it's really 546 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 1: hard to follow up a really low round we. 547 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,720 Speaker 2: Had this past weekend. Michael Kims shoots fifty nine, doesn't 548 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:27,600 Speaker 2: win any golf tournament. 549 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think the he treaded water on the front, right, 550 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:37,440 Speaker 1: he didn't panic, that's a skill and just basically didn't 551 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 1: let not making a bunch of birdies on the front 552 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:45,200 Speaker 1: affect what he did down the stretch. I think the 553 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 1: decision on eighteen is somewhat it's front loaded. Hey, we're 554 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:54,480 Speaker 1: going to try and take this on right. The mindset 555 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 1: is very different when you already make the decision. We 556 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,480 Speaker 1: do this a lot with the our junior golfers. But 557 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,720 Speaker 1: if you hit a ball off line and you're in 558 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:08,959 Speaker 1: the trees, there are some times where you look and 559 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 1: you see an opening and it's really kind of the 560 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,080 Speaker 1: only thing you can see, and from kind of the 561 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 1: minute you get over to the shot, you kind of 562 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 1: see a way out. And if you've ever had that experience, 563 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,960 Speaker 1: your whole focus goes to that opening in the trees 564 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 1: where you can just see the fact you see a 565 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 1: pathway out. So there really isn't a lot of decision 566 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 1: making process, right, And I think that that clarity of process. Okay, 567 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 1: we're gonna take this on. What does that process mean? One, 568 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,800 Speaker 1: we have to hit the fairway, We have to stand 569 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 1: up and hit a really good drive on the seventy 570 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 1: second hole of a major championship, tied for the lead, 571 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,960 Speaker 1: and then we're gonna hit a really good iron shot 572 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 1: to give myself a chance to make birdie and not 573 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 1: have to go to a playoff. So how does the 574 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 1: average goal for listening RC take that mindset to the 575 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,600 Speaker 1: first hole of their nine hole round, of their eighteen 576 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,360 Speaker 1: whole round. What does that look like? 577 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 2: Well? To me, I think it starts at the top, 578 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 2: is what are we going to learn from this round? Today, 579 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:20,960 Speaker 2: How can I get better today if I'm playing this round. 580 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 2: So we want to be in this kind of learning 581 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,240 Speaker 2: mindset for sure, and then we want to get into 582 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 2: this kind of positive decision making, this clear intention type 583 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,120 Speaker 2: mindset where I only have one thought, I want to 584 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 2: put the ball here. It's not I want to put 585 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,560 Speaker 2: the ball here and not here. It's just I want 586 00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:40,560 Speaker 2: to put the ball here. 587 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 1: Right. 588 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 2: We hear that all the time from tier players and 589 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 2: how they make their game plans. So there's two things. 590 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,280 Speaker 2: I think it's about learning, but it's also how I 591 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 2: can get better from this round where that's not a result. Right, 592 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,200 Speaker 2: We're just trying to get better from this round, learn 593 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,200 Speaker 2: something from this round. And then just clear intent, just 594 00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 2: clear intent where we're not worth about where it's going 595 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 2: to go. If it happens to go in the water, 596 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 2: in the trees, it's a challenge issued we can learn 597 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,319 Speaker 2: how to get out of that situation for the next step. 598 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:14,759 Speaker 1: A bad result from a good decision, not worried at 599 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,200 Speaker 1: all about it's it's not a mistake. That's the no 600 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 1: blame environment we've talked about, and I think you have 601 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,879 Speaker 1: to practice that on the driving range, right, you have 602 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:29,759 Speaker 1: to give up this constant outcome, constant results. I mean, 603 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:33,960 Speaker 1: I'm always trying to find ways to look at what 604 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,279 Speaker 1: the best players in the world do because I think 605 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:45,880 Speaker 1: everyone listening we're so influenced by the greatest players in 606 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:49,160 Speaker 1: the world, right, We're so influenced by what they do 607 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,920 Speaker 1: on TV. We have an enormous amount of time to 608 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:57,319 Speaker 1: watch them. But I just think that for the majority 609 00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:01,960 Speaker 1: of us, we are never going to be able to 610 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:08,440 Speaker 1: tap into the talent portion of what the best golfers 611 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,400 Speaker 1: in the world do. Right. We just don't have their talent. 612 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,520 Speaker 1: We don't have the ability to swing the golf club 613 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:16,840 Speaker 1: at the speed they swing it, right. 614 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:18,480 Speaker 2: But we can certainly think like them. 615 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:22,560 Speaker 1: But the best players in the world think the best, 616 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:29,360 Speaker 1: and the players that don't have the talent, that aren't 617 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:34,799 Speaker 1: the best in the world sometimes think poorly and they 618 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,200 Speaker 1: think in a way that it doesn't help them. So 619 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,960 Speaker 1: I think it would be easy to look at how 620 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:45,040 Speaker 1: Ryan Fox won that tournament. I think he won the 621 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,879 Speaker 1: golf tournament by the decision he made on fifteen. It's 622 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:51,720 Speaker 1: easy in hindsight to say, yeah, Bertie's thirteen, Bertie's fourteen, 623 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,680 Speaker 1: Bertie's sixteen, Bertie's eighteen. Those are the highlights, right. I 624 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:59,000 Speaker 1: think the up and down on twelve, the par three 625 00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,239 Speaker 1: for Bergey, like the up and down on twelve that 626 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,200 Speaker 1: he makes, Paul hits in the bunker. That and the 627 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,319 Speaker 1: bogie to me on fifteen. Those are the things that 628 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:12,360 Speaker 1: win the golf tournament for him. Yeah. Obviously, Birdie's at thirteen, 629 00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:16,240 Speaker 1: birdies at fourteen, birdies at sixteen. Bertie, sure, you always 630 00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,680 Speaker 1: know that the birdies are going to help, but not 631 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:24,839 Speaker 1: making double on fifteen allowed him to take advantage of 632 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:30,279 Speaker 1: birdying sixteen, so he immediately gets the shot back. And 633 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:34,640 Speaker 1: I just think when you're going back and you're watching majors, 634 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,360 Speaker 1: there's an art to winning these things. And I think 635 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:46,680 Speaker 1: it was unbelievably refreshing to watch Ryan Fox's approach and 636 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:50,600 Speaker 1: the way he played the game, not the shots that 637 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:50,960 Speaker 1: he hit. 638 00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I wish I could have been there with you, man. 639 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,080 Speaker 2: It was such an awesome tournament to see. 640 00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:59,920 Speaker 1: So, I think four different major winners and very very 641 00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:04,560 Speaker 1: different ways. Right, You've got Rory at the Masters, he 642 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:08,560 Speaker 1: got Aaron Rye at the PGA. You've got Wyndham Clark 643 00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:12,080 Speaker 1: at Yosovin at Chinnacok and you've got Ryan Fox. I 644 00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,360 Speaker 1: mean it's not a stretch. I mean, obviously everybody expects 645 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:21,600 Speaker 1: every major championship, Rory McElroy's scheffler, the favorite or one 646 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,600 Speaker 1: of the favorites. Wyndom Clark has won a major before, 647 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:28,239 Speaker 1: so he gets his second. But I think you're going 648 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:32,760 Speaker 1: to learn more from going back and watching how Aaron 649 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,800 Speaker 1: Raie played on Sunday at Ironomic at the PGA to 650 00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:40,400 Speaker 1: win his first major championship. Not a household name, not 651 00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:44,799 Speaker 1: someone that is a favorite going into a major championship. 652 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,000 Speaker 1: And Ryan Fox is not a household name. He's not 653 00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,440 Speaker 1: one of the guys on Golf Channel that they're picking 654 00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:55,799 Speaker 1: to win right on Wednesday night. He's really not even 655 00:37:56,440 --> 00:38:00,160 Speaker 1: on that radar. And I think that it's been refreshing 656 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:05,680 Speaker 1: to watch Aaron Raye and Ryan Fox win these two 657 00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:09,280 Speaker 1: majors this year. Obviously, it's always great to watch Rory 658 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:13,120 Speaker 1: with the skill set that he has, but I just 659 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:17,000 Speaker 1: think you can learn a lot from Ryan Fox's approach 660 00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:18,120 Speaker 1: to playing the game. 661 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:22,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, these majors are, like we've said before, they are 662 00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:28,360 Speaker 2: the hardest conditions, the hardest setup, and talent alone sometimes 663 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,440 Speaker 2: doesn't win them. It's a little bit of luck with 664 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,640 Speaker 2: a draw, it's a little bit of luck with the weather, 665 00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,120 Speaker 2: and sometimes it's just your week. 666 00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:39,600 Speaker 1: Twenty two seconds for the putt of your life. And 667 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,400 Speaker 1: I was texting with a friend of mine in the US. 668 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,439 Speaker 1: We were watching, and he said he knows Cam Young 669 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:47,880 Speaker 1: quite well and kind of grew up at Sleepy Hollow 670 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,680 Speaker 1: and took lessons from his dad. And he said, what 671 00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,120 Speaker 1: do you think. I said, He'll bury this right in 672 00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:56,040 Speaker 1: the heart. I've just had a feeling that the way 673 00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:59,680 Speaker 1: he had played, the way he played fifteen, how quickly 674 00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:03,040 Speaker 1: he play. I just I messaged him and said, it'll 675 00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:08,160 Speaker 1: be He'll make it, and he did so. The major 676 00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,640 Speaker 1: season for twenty twenty six is over. You can always 677 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:16,319 Speaker 1: learn a lot from watching these great players win major championships. 678 00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,960 Speaker 1: Rate review, subscribe wherever you get your podcast. It's the 679 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:21,160 Speaker 1: Son of a Butcher Podcast