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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 1: your twenty four to seven home of the Black and

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Speaker 1: Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Drive. I am Dale LOLLI he is

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Speaker 2: the Matt Williamson and uh well Matt. It's a Wednesday

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Speaker 2: by week Wednesday.

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Speaker 3: It's a lovely day in the neighborhood today too.

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Speaker 2: Out there it is.

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Speaker 3: I went a little crazy with shorts and a T shirt.

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Speaker 2: So you very like, look like it's August. Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: gotta get a training camp. Look to you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a little chilly, but we had to squash

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Speaker 3: a few bugs on the way in the sun was

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Speaker 3: out and I get.

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Speaker 2: To like, I get to pull over all pants. I'm

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Speaker 2: not time. I get up and go to go to work.

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Speaker 3: It's leave the house today till the kids brought the

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Speaker 3: car home.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, everything from that in my face. Why don't you

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Speaker 2: my teeth cleaned this morning? Yeah, while I was doing that,

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Speaker 2: you can't get away from it. I'm getting my teeth cleaned,

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Speaker 2: which is a bad enough thing to do.

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Speaker 3: It's a bye week thing to do it. Yeah, trust me,

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Speaker 3: I don't go nearly enough.

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Speaker 2: I'm in there the the dental assistant is in there

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Speaker 2: and she's scraping away at my teeth and get the

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Speaker 2: picks in there, and you know I'm bleeding everywhere. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: shovels and yeah, and Dennis Stick pokes his head the door.

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Speaker 2: So you're on the Matt Canada fire like from it,

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Speaker 2: don't even talk, take it away from it, gone home.

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Speaker 2: You remember the old Seinfeld.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's hard to ignore. At least they won and

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Speaker 3: it's calmed down a little, has it.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: People have stopped asking me, at least since since the

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Speaker 3: Ravens win.

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Speaker 2: I posted a story of yesterday on Kenny Pickett talking

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Speaker 2: about Deontay Johnson coming back. Yeah, we talked about it

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Speaker 2: yesterday and immediately in the in the responses to that,

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Speaker 2: it's like eighty, well he'll just drop the foot ball.

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Speaker 2: And the ones who didn't answer something really clever like that,

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Speaker 2: we're like, well, it doesn't matter as long as Matt

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Speaker 2: Canada is going to make it difference at all.

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Speaker 3: Shouldn't even bother rolling the ball out there?

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Speaker 2: Put on them. I understand the vitriol last year when

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Speaker 2: they were two and six at the buy. Sure, they're

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Speaker 2: three and two.

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Speaker 3: They're three and two. Things are going pretty well, you know.

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Speaker 2: I are we are we in this spot where you

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Speaker 2: can't enjoy three and two?

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Speaker 3: I think so. I think it's pretty clear. And what

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Speaker 3: are you going to anything?

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Speaker 2: If they were five and oh right now, but scoring

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Speaker 2: fifteen points a game, would people be ticked off? Yes?

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Speaker 2: Yes they would be. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: The coordinators are get darts. Man, It's just the way

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Speaker 3: it is. And the offense hasn't been good. That's all

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Speaker 3: we're saying. It's just they're winning, they're in first place winning.

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Speaker 2: It's it's all about did you score one more point

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Speaker 2: than the other team. I look at the game against

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Speaker 2: the Raiders for example, could they have scored more points

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Speaker 2: in that game? They basically shut the offense down on

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Speaker 2: the fourth quarter because they had a twenty three had

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Speaker 2: twenty three to seven league yeah, and just sat on

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Speaker 2: the ball, like they could have scored more points in

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Speaker 2: that game. You know, if they go out against Houston

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Speaker 2: and they score twenty points and lose thirty to twenty,

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Speaker 2: does that make you feel better about the game.

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Speaker 3: No? No, I mean you're in this boat too, less

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Speaker 3: so now that you write for the Steelers. But like

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Speaker 3: when I was at ESPN, was the worst, but comments

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Speaker 3: or any tweet you put out. Anything Steeler related comments

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Speaker 3: are way heavier negative than positive, even if they don't

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Speaker 3: bring them back Canada's name, you know, I mean, it's.

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Speaker 2: Just doesn't matter. This doesn't matter. It doesn't matter because

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Speaker 2: Mike Tomlin won't do anything with it anyways. Right here,

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Speaker 2: you know you're really on top of it, right You're

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Speaker 2: not being clever, No, you're not. You're taking time out

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Speaker 2: of your day. I just don't understand. I don't bet

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Speaker 2: on that side of it. I haven't either. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: And again I don't follow windsor pirates or anything that

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Speaker 3: I'm not an expert on enough to ever comment on anything.

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Speaker 2: I love the fans. I'm not ripping on the fans

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Speaker 2: at all. I mean, that's that's what makes this business

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Speaker 2: go round.

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Speaker 3: If you're listening to us, we love you.

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Speaker 2: I just don't understand how it could be that negative.

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Speaker 2: Not everybody. Some people can be that negative in their

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Speaker 3: Problem with today's world though, that it only takes one

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Speaker 3: percent to do it, where the other ninety nine just

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Speaker 3: don't bother chiming in. And you know, we get this

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Speaker 3: feeling that everyone's negative.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but this is what it is. Yeah. Anyways, so man,

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Speaker 2: I'm looking here at well, let's let's let's dig into

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Speaker 2: this first. Okay. So I'm tooling around for different things

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Speaker 2: to talk about today on the show because it's a

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Speaker 2: bye week.

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Speaker 3: It's a bye week, so if you have any suggestions,

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Speaker 3: you can send us a tweet.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So anyways, I'm looking here. I wanted to see

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Speaker 2: what Pro Football Focus. They do their offensive line rankings

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Speaker 2: I'm looking on there, and I also get from the

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Speaker 2: League of stat package that has and for whatever reason,

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Speaker 2: the NFL includes in the stat package that they said

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Speaker 2: that which has all kinds of news and notes and.

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Speaker 3: Things about that. Is there a partnership now between.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, I know everybody. The first thing that's

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Speaker 2: listed in there are Pro Football Focuses grades everyone's for

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Speaker 2: a week to for week fifth anybody. Yeah, anybody who

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Speaker 2: many of them were talking like every week, there's maybe

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Speaker 3: I think one hundreds is like perfect, perfect, perfect, your

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Speaker 3: I know, you can't get over one hundred.

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Speaker 2: So the player who had the highest grade in the

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Speaker 2: league last week of any other player, all all fifteen

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Speaker 2: hundred and whatever NFL players last week.

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Speaker 3: Centers guard safeties no matter regardless of position.

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Speaker 2: Isn't right. The player who had the highest grade according

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Speaker 2: to Pro Football Focus was Lamar Jackson at ninety four

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Speaker 2: point six the best. He was the best player in

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Speaker 2: the league last last week according to Pro Football Focus.

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Speaker 2: They scored ten points.

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Speaker 3: They scored ten points and lost.

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Speaker 2: He threw an interception and they cost them the game.

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Speaker 3: And even I'm sure they're I mean, if we had

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Speaker 2: Would love to hear to hear the explanation for that.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure they would start with and they credited the

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Speaker 3: ravens or seven drops. Okay, I can get.

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Speaker 2: There, Okay, yeah, but all drops are not created equally

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Speaker 2: because if they're counting again, I've talked about it earlier

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Speaker 2: in the week, the pass to Mark Andrews in the

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Speaker 2: get a hand. No, that's not a drop if you

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Speaker 2: count the one over the middle to Flowers, the flowers

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Speaker 2: that was thrown three yards behind him and he had

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Speaker 3: So where I was going with that is if Johnny

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Speaker 3: PFF guy was sitting here, but please, I'd like I'd

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Speaker 2: I would love to hear Johnny PFF guy.

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Speaker 3: And he could say, well, his receivers had seven drops

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Speaker 2: However, that the interception he threw to Joey Porter Junior

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Speaker 2: was the worst throw in the game.

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Speaker 3: Those still exist, that anything running in the second half

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Speaker 2: By the way he took a sack, a strip sack

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Speaker 2: late in the game, Like those things matter, at least

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Speaker 2: they should.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely. I was about to say that too. And okay,

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Speaker 3: let's say all seven of those passes were caught, and

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Speaker 3: that means no one ever drops anything ever. Ever, it

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Speaker 3: never happened in any game period. Was he still better

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Speaker 3: than Jamar Chase, Yeah, it was. He still better than

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Speaker 3: Max Crosby, who if you watch that game.

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Speaker 2: Dominated never was blocked once.

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean, Like, even if you give

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Speaker 3: him those seven throws, he was the best player in

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just like Tyreek Hill had a ninety three

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Speaker 2: about this one. He was better because they also put

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Speaker 2: He touched the football. Yeah, and he's a running back.

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Speaker 2: How does he What did he do wrong to get

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Speaker 2: an eighty three point seven grade?

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Speaker 3: And he didn't have three carries? I mean he didn't

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Speaker 2: You know. I mean, I don't get it. I don't

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Speaker 3: I mean, or an offensive lineman. They're trying an offensive

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Speaker 3: didn't get beat once.

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Speaker 2: In my game.

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Speaker 3: I don't know who that said lineman was, but I'm

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Speaker 3: sure it happened. Trent Williams out there going. My quarterback

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Speaker 3: never got even scratched. Yeah, I blew my dude. Off

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Speaker 3: the ball every snap. I mean I had a I

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Speaker 3: pitched a perfect game and I wasn't even listed, you

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Speaker 2: I don't get it. Yeah, I don't know. The point

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Speaker 2: being folks don't pay attention to the Pro Football Focused grades.

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Speaker 2: Pro Football Focus is a tool. I go there every

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Speaker 2: day for certain things, yes, but the grading system, uh uh,

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Speaker 2: I'm looking at this. I'm looking at this, uh, this

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Speaker 2: list of guys here. There's like seven Detroit Lions on

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Speaker 2: the list this week.

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Speaker 3: And they're good and they won, and good for them.

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Speaker 2: If I look into last week's grades in the week

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Speaker 2: before that, there's probably a bunch of Lions on here.

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Speaker 2: Because if Matt and I both take Introduction to Psych

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Speaker 2: in college, but we have two different professors who teach

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Speaker 2: the course, it's two different classes. You're learning the same thing,

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Speaker 2: they're both they're all playing NFL games.

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Speaker 3: It could still even be the same textbook class.

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Speaker 2: But Matt's teacher might great things harder than my teacher.

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Speaker 2: Matt's Matt's tests might all be essay tests, minor minor

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Speaker 2: multiple choice. That makes a difference.

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Speaker 3: Now, I don't know, do they have a Lions guy.

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Speaker 2: They you know, I assume they got somebody that want

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Speaker 3: Do they rotate it so that it gets impartial.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. There's I don't know either.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure they've given that some thought. But no, your

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Speaker 3: point is still well taken.

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Speaker 2: Like Lamar was the best player in the NFL by far.

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Speaker 2: Now, he has a chance to be really good. I

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Speaker 3: Play right or what did I teach him to do right?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I asked him to do this. He did that instead,

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Speaker 3: So anyway, they I know that they've been twenty eight

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Speaker 2: Uh So. The New York Giants are dead lasts, not surprisingly,

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Speaker 3: They got they got some dudes and they've invested in

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and their problem was is that they traded the

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Speaker 3: Well they've have been without their two offensive tackles for.

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Speaker 3: You look at like offensive EPA. The Steelers aren't high granted,

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Speaker 3: Here the Dotson start or was he? Did he get hurt?

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Speaker 3: It should definitely be trending up. I got no qualms

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Speaker 2: I think the time is now.

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Speaker 3: I mean, they have options, yeah, you know, so I

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Speaker 2: It's it's not a given that Moore is going to

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Speaker 3: they give up eight. So that's not a big number.

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Speaker 2: That's not a big deal. And you know, maybe, you know,

440
00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:06,280
Speaker 2: if you if you make Kenny Pickett feel more comfortable

441
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Speaker 2: in the pocket, things might look better. I mean there

442
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Speaker 2: were times in this game against the Ravens where he

443
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Speaker 2: was leaving a clean pocket. Still yep, you know he's

444
00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:19,359
Speaker 2: feeling the pressure before. I think sometimes Pickett might be

445
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Speaker 2: one of these quarterbacks that thrives in chaos.

446
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a hard way to live. But he certainly

447
00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:28,440
Speaker 3: he creates some He creates a lot. He's only played

448
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Speaker 3: seventeen career games, I think, I mean, he's played one

449
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Speaker 3: full year.

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Speaker 2: They certainly ten and seven in this game.

451
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Speaker 3: Oh, by the way, right, he certainly has whether you

452
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Speaker 3: believe in clutch or not, he's played his best when

453
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Speaker 3: it's mattered most you know, late in games, chaos or not.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there's no doubt about that. I do think

455
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Speaker 2: this is noteworthy.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I know I reference EPA a lot and

457
00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:52,240
Speaker 3: people don't always understand what that means. But if you

458
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Speaker 3: look at the Steelers opponents defenses this year, by far

459
00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:59,880
Speaker 3: not even close the hardest late of defenses than any

460
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Speaker 3: offensive face this year. I mean it's not even close.

461
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Speaker 3: I mean it's a monster gap. It just reminds me

462
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Speaker 3: of last year before the buy.

463
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and I asked Pat about that, like

464
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Speaker 2: do you look at the opponent and judge your line

465
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Speaker 2: based on the opponent? If you understand, like, do you say, well,

466
00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,240
Speaker 2: you know, you should do better than We had a

467
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Speaker 2: tough game this week, but we're playing Cleveland. We had

468
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Speaker 2: a tough game this week. We were playing we were

469
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Speaker 2: playing San Francisco, because no, you, I look at you.

470
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Speaker 2: I look at it like I want them to go

471
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Speaker 2: out and play their best every single week, not based

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Speaker 2: on the opponent, because your.

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Speaker 3: Results as your best against a bad team is different

474
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Speaker 3: than the Niners. But coaches don't think that way.

475
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Speaker 2: They just want you to do nor should they do

476
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Speaker 2: your job, win the game.

477
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Speaker 3: I don't care if it's superman or.

478
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Speaker 2: Block them. Yeah. So the Steelers coming in twenty fourth

479
00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:56,159
Speaker 2: there this week, up five spots. They should be climbing. Yeah. Uh,

480
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Speaker 2: the number one unit in the league still Philadelphia has

481
00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:03,800
Speaker 2: been for like three years. Yeah, Detroit number two, as

482
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Speaker 2: it should be, Dallas number three, that's been a strength

483
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Speaker 2: of their team. Yeah, Indianapolis number four.

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Speaker 3: That's the untold story of Yeah.

485
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Speaker 2: I think that's why they're looking back and yeah yeah yeah,

486
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Speaker 2: Cleveland now down to number five. That was what they were.

487
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Speaker 2: Oh they're number The tackles are a problem that.

488
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Speaker 3: Strong, sure, but you notice, and this is football one

489
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Speaker 3: oh one. Whether these line rankings are accurate or not,

490
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Speaker 3: or if we brought in Brandon Thorne, who I think

491
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Speaker 3: is the best O line guy out there, and said,

492
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Speaker 3: who are the worst five?

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Speaker 2: Oh, lines in the league.

494
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Speaker 3: Well, they're gonna be the worst teams, would be the

495
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Speaker 3: worst teams, and they're gonna be the worst offensive.

496
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

497
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's so hard to overcome.

498
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Speaker 2: It really is. If I mean, the Giants can't run

499
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Speaker 2: a play, they can't anything, they can't run anything.

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Speaker 3: The Patriots have got that point too, And it's not

501
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Speaker 3: just the line's fault. I mean they don't have anybody

502
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Speaker 3: that wins over the top or anything. But like the

503
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Speaker 3: lines at the bottom the league are going to be

504
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Speaker 3: the worst offense.

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519
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Speaker 2: listening to the drive here on Steelers Nation Radio. Matt.

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Speaker 2: We're talking there a little bit about the Steelers rookie class,

521
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:03,680
Speaker 2: and they hold up pretty well when you start looking again.

522
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 2: I'm sticking here with some pro football focused stuff here

523
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,440
Speaker 2: and again that you're getting they look around the league here.

524
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 2: That's why I'm sticking with this. They have before you

525
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Speaker 2: dig into it.

526
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Speaker 3: I mean, I think this is panning out to be

527
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Speaker 3: potentially an exceptional class. I mean it's somewhat franchise changing class.

528
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Speaker 3: We loved it when it happened, like I can't believe

529
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 3: Washington fell there still there, you know, Like I mean

530
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Speaker 3: when we broadcasted live and then in camp it was

531
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Speaker 3: lived up to that, and I think it's on the

532
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Speaker 3: horizon of really starting to show up.

533
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Speaker 2: Speak speaking of camp, how about our guy Rodney Williams.

534
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Speaker 3: I know, I know we talked about him a lot.

535
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Speaker 2: Not only did he nearly recover the the the block punt,

536
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Speaker 2: he made the tackle that stopped the Ravens at the

537
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Speaker 2: five after gunneral Chewsky's fumble on the on the punt return.

538
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Speaker 2: If he doesn't do that, the Steelers lose that game.

539
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Speaker 3: I bet Danny loves him, Dank Smith.

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Speaker 2: I know one guy who did love it, and that

541
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Speaker 2: I asked Alfredo Roberts today about it, and he's like, Oh, yeah,

542
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Speaker 2: like a hot rod, that's my guy.

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Speaker 3: He's such an easy guy root for his camp. And

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Speaker 3: I didn't know who you was whenever our first the

545
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 3: drive there. He was one of many undrafted free agents.

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Speaker 3: Then we start talking about I'm talking about him, talking

547
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Speaker 3: about him, and he's not huge, but the effort was

548
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Speaker 3: tremendous as a believerer and as a special team for a.

549
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Speaker 2: Guy who was, you know, basically getting his first taste

550
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Speaker 2: of NFL in an NFL game and you're and you're

551
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Speaker 2: not a tight end, you're not playing tight end. You're

552
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Speaker 2: out there on special teams and to give that kind

553
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Speaker 2: of effort like that, I mean, that's the one thing

554
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Speaker 2: you can always control is your effort.

555
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Speaker 3: And that showed up as a blocker is a tight

556
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Speaker 3: end and on special teams. And I don't know his

557
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Speaker 3: background well enough, but my hunch is coming. You didn't

558
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Speaker 3: come from Bama. He probably didn't play special teams at all.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was the star of the show. Yeah, yeah,

560
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Speaker 2: so he was part of the offense. Yeah, tremendous, tremendous effort.

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Speaker 2: Fredo's face just lit up when I said, what if

562
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Speaker 2: he you know, you show that to your guy in

563
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Speaker 2: the room there when when the Rodney Williams makes that

564
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Speaker 2: kind of play, Yeah, I'm sure.

565
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Speaker 3: So everyone gets excited with roster cuts. Of course, it's

566
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Speaker 3: huge the seasons right around the corner. And then when

567
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Speaker 3: he gets excited for practice squad, and we've been doing

568
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Speaker 3: this long enough that the practice squad isn't quite as

569
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Speaker 3: exciting as many people make it out to be. His

570
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 3: name landed there. I'm like, nice, he kept that guy around,

571
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Speaker 3: kept that guy around.

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Speaker 2: So the number one graded this according to uh Mason

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Speaker 2: Cameron on Pro Football Focus, were these rookie classes. These

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Speaker 2: are just rookie players. Okay, okay, so he has the

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Speaker 2: top fifteen. They're top fifteen graded, and they're great and.

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Speaker 3: We can fight about it, but these these.

577
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Speaker 2: Are the guys who are playing well as rookies. Number

578
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Speaker 2: one is actually deviit a Chan like you said in

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Speaker 2: the first segment, I mean every time he touched them.

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Speaker 2: But I don't know how Grave was so lowly like

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Speaker 2: his overall grades ninety three point six.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he's done nothing wrong. No, I forget injured

583
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Speaker 3: side note he's on injured reserve.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's unfortunately. Yeah, but he's averaged seven point four

585
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 2: to two yards after contact for rush.

586
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Speaker 3: This year, which is bonkers. But it's also a little

587
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 3: bit misleading because yeah, I mean, if you get contacted

588
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 3: one yard past the line of scrimmage, someone gets a

589
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Speaker 3: fingernail on this speedball, and then that was eighty without untouched.

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Speaker 2: Excuse the numbers a little bit.

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Speaker 3: But that's the type player he is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's exactly who He's always gonna be high

593
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Speaker 2: in that. Yeah, but he's also probably always going to

594
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Speaker 2: be a little nicked up here and there. Probably that's

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Speaker 2: who he is too. Uh. Number two is Jalen Carter

596
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Speaker 2: with the Eagles.

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Speaker 3: He's been so I don't remember if you agreed with

598
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Speaker 3: me or not, but I mean I thought that this draft.

599
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Speaker 2: He was the best defensive player in the draft.

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Speaker 3: I thought Carter and Bijeon were the best players in

601
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Speaker 3: the draft. And you can say where do you want

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Speaker 3: to draft them? You know, his off the field stuff,

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Speaker 3: Bijeon's are running back. Those are the only two that

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Speaker 3: I thought were elite prospects and they both look like it.

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Speaker 2: Three is Puka and the Kua. Absolutely everybody knows about that.

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Speaker 3: And real quick, folks. Cup came Steelers play the Rams

607
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 3: next week. Cup came back this past week, and I

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00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 3: don't want to say Nikoua took a back seat, but

609
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 3: they co existed very well, you know, and they're they're

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Speaker 3: gonna be a good tandem.

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Speaker 2: Uh four is actually this was this was a little

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Speaker 2: you know, okay. H four is Rashid Rice with Kansas City.

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Speaker 2: M play enough like.

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Speaker 3: Promising Joey Porter Junior plays more than he does. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean he's starting to get a little bit more.

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Speaker 2: Of a role, a little bit more of a role.

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Speaker 2: It's still like the searching like twelve to fifteen snaps

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Speaker 2: per game, which is one of my again one of

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Speaker 2: my problems with some of their grading stuff, Like some

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Speaker 2: dude that goes out there. And for example, so Desmond

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Speaker 2: King played one snap on Sunday, one snap on Sunday

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Speaker 2: against the Ravens.

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Speaker 3: And he was playing he was playing deep set.

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Speaker 2: He was playing deep center field on the one play

625
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Speaker 2: he was in there because I think Kean O'Neil or

626
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Speaker 2: somebody was banged up, so they threw, okay, you're hustle

627
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Speaker 2: in there.

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Speaker 3: You maybe not even saw him on your TV screen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the ball was snapped. It was a run play,

630
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 2: nowhere near him. He got a sixty grade for that play.

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Speaker 2: So he got a sixty for the day, a sixty

632
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Speaker 2: for the day on his one snap. Menka Fitzpatrick, on

633
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 2: the other hand, was on the field for every defensive

634
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 2: snap essentially and got like a fifty eight grade.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, who impacted the game more?

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Speaker 2: Who had the bigger impact should just get like an

637
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 2: incomplete grade? Right?

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00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 3: I me, you could grade every play. Sure, he maybe

639
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 3: got sixty on that play for their grading scale whatever.

640
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 3: So another example. I mentioned this off the air, and

641
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 3: good for him, but Pro Football Focus does every what

642
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 3: is today? Wednesday thirty two observations, thirty two teams. The

643
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 3: Steelers observation was armand Watts, and hey, good for him.

644
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 3: Was the most effective interior pass rusher this past week

645
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 3: in the entire league. Good for you, miss Watts. He

646
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 3: played fine, But I didn't think you were Joe Green.

647
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 2: You weren't you weren't Aaron Donald.

648
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 3: I wasn't confused Chris Jones out there? Or is that

649
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 3: wise like and that don't think he faced a double

650
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 3: all day and he played how many snaps twenty or something?

651
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Speaker 2: You know, right, So he goes back to our Marquise

652
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 2: pouncy stuff. Well, he's the lowest graded center, but the

653
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 2: Steelers ask him to do more than any center.

654
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but he gets nose tackles one on one and yeah, yeah, okay.

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00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,959
Speaker 2: Okay, So she Rice is number you She Rice. I

656
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 2: like Rashi Rice where he's trending. I didn't love him

657
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 2: as a as a prospect, but the landing spot, Oh

658
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 2: there's tremendous beauty.

659
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 3: That's why the fantasy world's all bonkers about him, because

660
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 3: the sky more a year ago. Frankly, I think Za

661
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 3: Flowers had a better ear than him. Yeah, I think

662
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 3: it definitely has. I'm thinking of rookie receiver, the kid

663
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 3: in Houston than they all have. Yeah, yeah, definitely.

664
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 2: Number five on their list is Joey Porter Junior.

665
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 3: M hmm. I think he has to play. I mean,

666
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 3: I know that it's not a huge sample size. This

667
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 3: was his most snaps. I wrote an article about Porter

668
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 3: this week. I mean, I think Jones and Porter are

669
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 3: very promising and have immense ceilings at positions that you

670
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 3: need them to be at right now, get him in

671
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 3: all the time.

672
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 2: That's that's my I will say this about And then

673
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 2: the Steelers have they obviously they had a plan with

674
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 2: how they wanted to use him, how they wanted to

675
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 2: ease him into this Jones, and you know, yeah, yeah, yeah,

676
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 2: the fact that he's playing well and being able to

677
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 2: take more and more on his plate, maybe they maybe

678
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 2: they were handling this the right way. That's a thing.

679
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 2: Don't just throw him out there and let him sink

680
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 2: or swim.

681
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 3: Because he might have sun Yeah, and then you.

682
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 2: Ruin his confidence and he you know, now it's done.

683
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 3: I hope people don't look at it like, well he

684
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 3: should have been the starter from week one, then well

685
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 3: he might not have been the same, right.

686
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, Teams are going to go after a rookie cornerback

687
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 2: and you're not always going to win.

688
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 3: I keep bringing up Roddy Jones, but Jones was much

689
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 3: better this week, with a whole week to prepare that

690
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 3: he was thrown into the mix, and frankly, he pass blocked.

691
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 3: His technique was much better this week than the last

692
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 3: time I saw him. If he had he started Week one,

693
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 3: you know, at the end of the preseason.

694
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 2: So I'm that Bo's well reporter he sees you know.

695
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 3: I think he's missing every test.

696
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 2: It's a small sample size, you know, but it's it's

697
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 2: it's what you want to see from a guy like that.

698
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 2: Now he's you know, I think he's up to U

699
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 2: what I can't read. It's eighty six defensive snaps.

700
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 3: Now, okay, that sounds out right. I think he played

701
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 3: like twenty eight this week, twenty six one other time.

702
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 2: But it's it's gone from seven to fourteen to twenty

703
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 2: seven down to ten against against Houston. They just didn't

704
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 2: weren't Nickel and Dime a lot? Uh? And then this

705
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 2: past week twenty eight, and that's.

706
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 3: When one of the things that's hurt him in terms

707
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 3: of snap counts. If he's not a starter, the Niners

708
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 3: are going to play a lot of full back. Houston's

709
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 3: going to play a lot of fullback. Even against those teams,

710
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 3: you're not going to play You're just as Nickel and

711
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 3: Dime as much as Joe Average, you know, slice of it.

712
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so you know you're putting him out there.

713
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 2: If he's out there in the nickel and dime, he's

714
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 2: out there, it's no different than your nickel cornerback.

715
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 3: No, your nikki as the left corner. Right, he doesn't

716
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 3: play the nickel, but he comes into nickel package and

717
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 3: people move accordingly.

718
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 2: And and yet you know Mike Hilton, People know who

719
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 2: Mike Hilton was, People know who the nickel corner always is.

720
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 2: Look at him that way.

721
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 3: Except he's not a nickel corner, No he's, but he's.

722
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 2: Being the nickel package. There's plenty of opportunities against most

723
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 2: of the points. He'll play a ton against.

724
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 3: The Rams, He'll play a ton against Rams, He'll play

725
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 3: a ton against the Bengals, you know, yeah, those type

726
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 3: of teams. Yes, no matter what, even if he's not

727
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 3: a quote starter, I'm lobbying him to be out there

728
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 3: every step.

729
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 2: You know, like what sometimes sometimes with with rookies, too

730
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 2: much is is fanby, Yeah, you know, it's just too much.

731
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 2: Too much is too much. I kind of lean towards there.

732
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 2: They're doing this the right way with him, and you know,

733
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 2: easing him into this. If if put it this way,

734
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 2: if Joey Porter Junior is out there when they're playing

735
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 2: the forty nine ers, they only they win. No, they're

736
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 2: going to win the game, and he doesn't have any Yeah,

737
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 2: he probably comes out of that aim going, man, this

738
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 2: this NFL game is tough.

739
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, of course. No, I'm not saying they brought

740
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 3: him along wrong. I just think, considering the way Wallace

741
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 3: and Peterson have played, I'll take my chances with that

742
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:11,839
Speaker 3: guy as an every down player.

743
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 2: Number six guy on here is out for the rest

744
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:18,839
Speaker 2: of the year. Christian Gonzalez, he was really good.

745
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 3: It was the point where I'm you know, when the

746
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 3: Steelers traded up in the first round, I didn't know

747
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 3: if it was for Jones. I thought it was, yeah,

748
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,840
Speaker 3: and it made me think, not that they made the

749
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 3: wrong choice, because there's incomplete grade on Jones, but before

750
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 3: Gonzalez got hurt, Like wouldn't have broke my heart if

751
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:36,720
Speaker 3: it was Gonzalez.

752
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 2: The way things worked out, I mean, I think he

753
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 2: didn't know was going to be, but it worked out well.

754
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:49,399
Speaker 3: Yes, Yeah, I med rather Jones and Porter than Gonzalez.

755
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 3: And I mean, like Harrison was to tackle it, but

756
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 3: Anton Harrison and he wasn't even there. Yeah, he would

757
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 3: have laid first, right.

758
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 2: Right, So yeah, number seven is Marvin Mims again, another

759
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 2: guy who doesn't play a ton. That's the issue.

760
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 3: Like Denver fans are losing their minds on this guy.

761
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 3: Like yards per route run. He's like best in the

762
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 3: league but not named Tyreek Hile. But if you put

763
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 3: him on there all the time, it probably won't be this.

764
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 3: It's not going to be the same because but I

765
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,839
Speaker 3: also think he does one thing you go along, yeah,

766
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 3: you know, but I also think considered a status of

767
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 3: that team, Juju or Sutton will get traded. Yeah for

768
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 3: him to step in, and that was Trump Payton's first pick.

769
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:27,879
Speaker 3: He's gonna play.

770
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 2: Seven is Devin Witherspoon. He's been good. He's been good.

771
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 3: He's nasty and physical and everything you thought he's gonna be.

772
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:42,439
Speaker 2: Yeah. Also tied at seven is Brian branch Oh. Love him, Yeah,

773
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 2: love him. We were beating the drum for that one.

774
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 2: Mm hm.

775
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,359
Speaker 3: Where was the Steelers original pick seventeen? Yeah, and they

776
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 3: moved to fifteen. Yeah, And we talked him seventeen several

777
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 3: times a number of times, number of times.

778
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 2: Mike Toman told the story at a couple of weeks ago.

779
00:35:57,880 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 2: He was asked about when they were going to play

780
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 2: the tech. It's about talking. Uh. Sitting down at the

781
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,919
Speaker 2: Alabama dinner this year, he had Anderson on one side

782
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 2: of him, Brian Branch on the other side of him,

783
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:10,280
Speaker 2: and they all just they just sat there and they

784
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 2: were He said, they were learning as much about from

785
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 2: me as I was from them. That's cool, Like they

786
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 2: were just there. You could tell their football junkies. His

787
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:19,879
Speaker 2: eyes just let up. He was talking about Brian Branch. Yeah.

788
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 3: So nothing against Porter, nor did I disapprove of the

789
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 3: pick at the time. But after Thursday of the draft,

790
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 3: there's twenty four hours and Steelers are on the clock

791
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 3: all time. I was asked a hundred times who would

792
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,479
Speaker 3: you take, and I said Bran, Yeah, I mean nothing

793
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 3: against Porter. I think Branch is a stut.

794
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 2: I think he's a good player and he's proving to

795
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 2: be as his Porter ten is Keanu Benton.

796
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 3: I knew they really liked him. He was one or

797
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 3: two after week two. Yeah, and not that he's gone

798
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:54,320
Speaker 3: bad down because he's not playing as much as Jalen Carter. Obviously,

799
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 3: he's another one. I would play him as much as

800
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 3: he can handle. I think he's going to be one

801
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 3: of the best picks in this entire draft by any team.

802
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's gonna be a really good football player. Yes.

803
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 2: Eleven is Sam Laporta. I'm sorriy he's on higher. Yeah.

804
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 2: Twelve is Tank Dell.

805
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 3: Okay, I think he's I'm not sure he's playing this

806
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 3: upcoming week, but he's.

807
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 2: Banged up right now. Thirteen is Ian Paced junior, not

808
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 2: even drafted. We drafted him in some of our mock drafts, fourth.

809
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 3: Round stuffing like that, right Cincinnati linebacker. I don't know

810
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 3: if he had a I don't know.

811
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 2: If he had some injury stuff some off there's something there,

812
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 2: but I mean playing the tape was great.

813
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,839
Speaker 3: He's a Viking now yeah, yeah, he's an immediate starter,

814
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 3: undrafted off the ball linebacker.

815
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 2: Uh. Fourteen but Jean Robinson every bit of that. Yeah yeah,

816
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 2: And then fifteen is Zach Charbonney.

817
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:45,240
Speaker 3: Okay.

818
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:47,240
Speaker 2: So that kind of gives you an idea of, folks,

819
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 2: of where this Steelers draft class. Like that fifteen guys

820
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 2: in the entire league. Yeah, and two of the Steelers

821
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 2: draft picks are are in that top fifteen.

822
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:58,839
Speaker 3: I'm Sean Stroud's on in there were there.

823
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 2: Any, I guess Seattle has two guys. It's tough for quarterbacks.

824
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 3: I mean they have a tougher world. Proby Sharbone made it.

825
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 2: I mean, he's Detroit had to Detroit to They should

826
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 2: because Detroit had Yeah yeah, yeah, they had a lot

827
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 2: of high picks, neither one of their first round picks.

828
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 3: That's the crazy thing about Gibbs was hurt this past

829
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:20,760
Speaker 3: week and Campbell.

830
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 2: Campbell's been good. He's fine. Yeah yeah, yeah. So that's

831
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 2: where the Steelers out there are at there with this

832
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 2: rookie class, and well maybe we'll see more of the

833
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 2: We'll certainly see more of these guys moving forward.

834
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, and even like a Herbig looks like a hit. Yeah,

835
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 3: he's a hard washing Washington's playing a lot now. Yeah,

836
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 3: So I really like this class.

837
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 2: A high impact rookie class for sure.

838
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 3: No, I think they'll look back on and say this

839
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,280
Speaker 3: was a big boost to the whole organization.

840
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 2: Absolutely, We're gonna get to another break. He is Matt Williamson.

841
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 2: I am Dale, Lolley, you're listening to the Drive here

842
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 2: on Steelers Nation Radio. We'll be back with more right

843
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:54,040
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844
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845
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,520
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847
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:15,399
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848
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Speaker 2: Williamson and Matt. Even though it is a bye week,

849
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,719
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850
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:26,160
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852
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 2: a trip to the twenty twenty four NFL Draft is

853
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:34,919
Speaker 2: Vegas this year. I was gonna ask you, I don't

854
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 2: know where it is. I think it might be. Yeah.

855
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 3: I remember it's being like, oh, I'd go there, like

856
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 3: some were fun, some were fun.

857
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 2: Yeah. Draft last drafts. Yeah, I mean not for us

858
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:45,839
Speaker 2: because we're on the air the whole time, right, They're okay.

859
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 3: I gonna be real quick though. I mean like as

860
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 3: a kid, I watched every second of every draft, and

861
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 3: like when they even weren't on the weekend, my mom

862
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 3: would let me stay home for the draft. I could

863
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 3: have one hundred and four fever, but I was going

864
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 3: to school, but I could stay home.

865
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 2: For the draft.

866
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,320
Speaker 3: So part of me thinks it should still be a

867
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,240
Speaker 3: bunch of Jets jerseys. This year Detroit.

868
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 2: That's great.

869
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 3: Not quite as still that time of year. Yeah, yeah,

870
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 3: all right, you have fun, go for it anyways. But

871
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:11,839
Speaker 3: I do like that they've moved it around, is my point. Yeah,

872
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 3: that's it's really become an event.

873
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 2: That's fun.

874
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 3: The Nashville one was crazy and you.

875
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 2: Know, uh so this week's prize is a according to

876
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 2: Brian la Martina because he didn't it's not on Oh no,

877
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 2: it is there. I'm blind, he told us yesterday. Yeah.

878
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 2: Football signed by Jaylen Warren.

879
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's awesome. He played well.

880
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 2: Uh. The trivia question for today, if you log on

881
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 2: to the Steelers mobile app, Melt Blunt or Troy Paulamalo,

882
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 2: who holds the Steelers career record for most interceptions. I

883
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 2: think I know that I would hope.

884
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 3: So interceptions were a lot harder to easier to come

885
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:46,839
Speaker 3: by back in Mel's day.

886
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you could just you could just tackle the

887
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 2: guys receiver.

888
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 3: For Bradshaw's touchdown interception ratio, You'd be like, I gotta

889
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 3: keep it right. And that's how everyone was in the seventies.

890
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 2: Beat that because a they threw the ball down the

891
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 2: field seven step, Yeah, seven step drops forty yards down

892
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 2: the field.

893
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 3: Against Melbourne to just throws people down. But they both

894
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 3: want Defensive Player of the Year. They did Rare, Yeah,

895
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 3: did Rob Woodson?

896
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, pretty good group. Three defensive backs. You've

897
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 2: had three defensive backs and team history that win that award,

898
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 2: which is defensive.

899
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 3: Backs don't win that award like ten in history.

900
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't win that award. Yeah, so Steele has

901
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 2: been very fortunate with that. Uh that takes me to this,

902
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 2: Matt T. J. Watt.

903
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, he won one.

904
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 2: Is he on pace to win another one? He's on

905
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 2: that right now. He is on pace through five games

906
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 2: to have twenty seven sacks, right, which is bonkers. And

907
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 2: we talked about yesterday the force fumbles, the impactful plays,

908
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 2: and I think.

909
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 3: Warner has a strong case. I mean the Niners and

910
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 3: gen role or kind of.

911
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 2: The problem is you get both. So you got say yeah,

912
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 2: you know, like if.

913
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,240
Speaker 3: You talk to Niner people, Warner would get their vote.

914
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 2: Like to me, right now, Christian McCaffrey is the MVP

915
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 2: of the league. Yeah, can't It's not a quarterback. It's

916
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:17,800
Speaker 2: Christian McCaffrey.

917
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 3: Party is starting to make a stronger case than you can't.

918
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 2: Be I would like to see what Party looks like

919
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 2: without McCaffrey. I hear you before it like, maybe we'll

920
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 2: see that before the end of the season here, But McCaffrey,

921
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 2: he scored a touchdown in fourteen consecutive games, which also

922
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 2: happens to line up when with when Brock Purty came

923
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 2: in the lineup, which is basically when they acquired Christopher

924
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 2: Christian McCaffrey. It's it's such a game changer.

925
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 3: No question, no question. And McCaffrey's better at what he

926
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 3: does than what Party is. What he does, I mean,

927
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 3: I think that's undeniable. But he's a quarterback on the

928
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:55,280
Speaker 3: best team and that doesn't always do it. It doesn't

929
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 3: always do it for me either. I mean, you have

930
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,919
Speaker 3: to mahomes it to drag your team to being the best,

931
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 3: and I don't think Party's there. But I'm gaining more

932
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 3: and more respect for him every week. And I've referenced

933
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 3: this before on our podcast today pe Kuck and Williams

934
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 3: and check it out. And he's a Niner guy, and

935
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 3: he flat out said he's like, I'd rather lose McCaffrey

936
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 3: than Party right now.

937
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:18,320
Speaker 2: I think he's out of his mind.

938
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 3: He's also a little biased against running backs, and he's not.

939
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 3: He's not a running backs don't matter guy, but he

940
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 3: leans that way more.

941
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 2: Well, then he must have hated it when they made

942
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:29,840
Speaker 2: the trade for McCaffrey because they gave up a boatload

943
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 2: of picks. He didn't.

944
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 3: He thought it wouldn't be worth it. He flat out says,

945
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 3: I'm wrong, you know. But he's like Donald. We wouldn't

946
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:36,800
Speaker 3: beat unefeated with Donald.

947
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,720
Speaker 2: They don't believe that for a second, because their defense

948
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 2: is playing ridiculous football. So is our special teams I

949
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 2: mean or not. I mean, they just beat the pants

950
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 2: off of They beat the pants off of the Cowboys

951
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 2: last week, not because of what their offense did necessarily,

952
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 2: but because of the way their defense just stifled the Cowboys.

953
00:43:56,520 --> 00:44:02,320
Speaker 3: So we were talking, Watton. I do think Tyreek and

954
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 3: McCaffrey have maybe the strongest cases for non quarterbacks in

955
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 3: a long time. Tyreek losing the Buffalo hurt, but he's

956
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 3: unbelievable right now too. But I would put McCaffrey ahead

957
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 3: of him. I'm not sure who my top quarterback would be.

958
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 3: I mean, so that in itself might tell you I.

959
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 2: Might still go with Mahomes, because what the hell else

960
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 2: do they have, I know, like he's throwing.

961
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,720
Speaker 3: To me and you I know, I thought about even Allen,

962
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 3: but I mean there.

963
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:28,879
Speaker 2: Is Kelsey's questionable to play to morning when he won.

964
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 2: You know, they lost the one game where they didn't

965
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:35,720
Speaker 2: have Kelsey. You know, if it looks bad again against

966
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:40,240
Speaker 2: Denver to Moore, if Kelsey wouldn't play, if you know, okay,

967
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 2: maybe it's Kelsey who's the guy. But Mahomes is their

968
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 2: entire offense.

969
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 3: Yes, I mean they might be a one win team

970
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 3: without him. Yeah, with Sam Donald, you know, with whoever backup.

971
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 2: Or whereas if Sam Donald were playing for the forty

972
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 2: nine ers right now, they wouldn't be a one win team.

973
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 2: I don't know if they'd have any losses, might have one.

974
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,439
Speaker 2: They had won one close game against the Rams. Yeah,

975
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 2: I mean they've just it's really been that they've they've

976
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 2: destroyed everybody else. But he's been a reason why.

977
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:12,240
Speaker 3: I mean, he's been really really good back to defensive

978
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,359
Speaker 3: MVP though I'm trying to think who else has a case,

979
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 3: Like Garrett and Parsons are great, but Watts have what

980
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 3: has a better resume this year?

981
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, and don't give me this, you know, don't give

982
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 2: me the pass rush win rate numbers because I measure

983
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 2: pass rush rush win rate by one statistic and it's

984
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 2: called sacks. If you won your pass rush, you got

985
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 2: the sack. Yeah.

986
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 3: Garrett has been phenomenal though, I mean he didn't play

987
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 3: this past week, but nobody has the resume.

988
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:43,800
Speaker 2: Watch he also had three. He had three and a

989
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 2: half in one game and you know, the game against

990
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 2: the Steelers. It's like he didn't play. True, very true.

991
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:53,760
Speaker 3: I don't think Bosa is on a pace to repeat.

992
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:55,839
Speaker 2: No, he's got two, he's got two. I mean, he's

993
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 2: just not been the same good. You know.

994
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 3: The other thing, and this does a matter for their voting,

995
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 3: how many leads has Watt played with as opposed to Well,

996
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 3: that's the other thing, Yeah, Parsons, you know, I mean,

997
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 3: like it's such an advantage for Pastor.

998
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 2: He had he had three against the forty nine ers

999
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 2: and they get they lost by twenty three points. Yeah, yeah,

1000
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 2: think about that, think about it.

1001
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:17,319
Speaker 3: I think Warner is rabably the only one that I'm

1002
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 3: just kind of scanning my brain, you know, like Chris

1003
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 3: Jones and Donald and there isn't an interior guy that's

1004
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 3: blowing the league away right now. Ye, Crosby's been phenomenal,

1005
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 3: but he gets tripled every time. And I still think

1006
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 3: Watt has had a better season. Is there someone a missing?

1007
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 3: I mean, there's not someone out there with five picks

1008
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 3: right now.

1009
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and stuff. That's tough for those guys to get

1010
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 2: that anyway. Secondaries, I mean inside linebackers is tough as well,

1011
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 2: because once again I'd like to remind people tackles are

1012
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 2: not an official statistic and voters don't care about that either. Yeah,

1013
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 2: the smart ones don't, right. So, but Warner's great, But

1014
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 2: you're right, he's fantastic. He's phenomenal.

1015
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 3: But in terms of if everyone voted today, I think

1016
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 3: TJ would win. I think so too, because there would

1017
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 3: be a couple of people who give it to Bosa

1018
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 3: over Warner. They would pillage each other, you know. Yeah,

1019
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 3: and he imagine if you cam Hayward.

1020
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 2: Well that's what I'm imagining, Matt, because we were getting

1021
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 2: closer and closer that if if Hayward isn't activated next week,

1022
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:18,839
Speaker 2: it's probably the week after that. We're getting close and uh,

1023
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 2: just seeing the Steelers defense as it was designed to be.

1024
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 2: And in the meantime, you got to see guys like

1025
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 2: keon Ju Benton get a lot of playing time. You

1026
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 2: got to see de Marvin Leal didn't play badly either, No,

1027
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 2: he certainly has. I mean those guys are You look

1028
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 2: at that and you say those guys are okay, those

1029
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 2: guys are in the mix moving for Maybe not so

1030
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 2: much with Isaiah Laudermilk now, but those two guys, Yeah,

1031
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 2: those guys are definitely and even in the mix.

1032
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,359
Speaker 3: I mean I kind of joked about Watts. He played well,

1033
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 3: but he played well. Adams is playing a ton of snaps?

1034
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 2: Is that ideal? No? But I get that, dude.

1035
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 3: Credit man, he's played hard and it's not hurt his

1036
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 3: cause at all. No, are all these you know, we

1037
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 3: had a big Jones conversation.

1038
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 2: It goes back to the situation, you know, a couple

1039
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 2: of years ago when when Wormley was playing a bunch

1040
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 2: of snaps. You know, because to it was out, well,

1041
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:16,319
Speaker 2: don't kill the guy. You know, if he goes out

1042
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:20,320
Speaker 2: there and plays well and does things he's playing, he's

1043
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:24,760
Speaker 2: he's swinging out of it above his his there.

1044
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:26,839
Speaker 3: Called up to the majors when he's not really a major.

1045
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 2: He's punching above his his weight class.

1046
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, He's a four that was asked to be

1047
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 3: a two.

1048
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 2: Right.

1049
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:35,839
Speaker 3: I mean that's why I think watts Is is a four. Right,

1050
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:39,319
Speaker 3: I mean great. But where I's going is, yes, they've

1051
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 3: been hit really hard with injuries the last couple of weeks,

1052
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:45,879
Speaker 3: but that always creates opportunity, and sometimes you'll see boy

1053
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 3: our backups or backups where.

1054
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 2: Sometimes you see, well maybe Benton's not bad.

1055
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 3: Well it's not bad Benton Porter Jones pickings. You know,

1056
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 3: like maybe they're ones, you know, and maybe they're not Robin.

1057
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 2: They might not be there yet, but two years from

1058
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:02,800
Speaker 2: now they could be and they might be.

1059
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 3: Like, boy, I got that opportunity in my rookie year

1060
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 3: in week two when because Cam wasn't there, Yeah, they

1061
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:08,919
Speaker 3: didn't really benefits.

1062
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 2: An opportunity Cam didn't get his first couple of years

1063
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 2: in the league when he was a you know, people

1064
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 2: were talking about him as being a wasted draft pick

1065
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:17,240
Speaker 2: because he wasn't playing.

1066
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 3: I don't really remember that conversation, but wow, or I mean,

1067
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 3: I know James Harrison was at first round pick, but

1068
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 3: if all these great guys weren't in front of him,

1069
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 3: maybe he would have got two more stellar years or whatever.

1070
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, you know so.

1071
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 3: Opportunity matters, Yes, and there are a lot of tea

1072
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:33,760
Speaker 3: guys on this team that are taking advantage of the opportunity.

1073
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 2: One. We're gonna get to another break. He is the

1074
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 2: Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lelly. You're listening to the

1075
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:42,879
Speaker 2: drive here on Steelers Nation Radio. We come back. It's

1076
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,399
Speaker 2: time for the Fantasy Football Focus. It's Wednesday, which means

1077
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 2: we'll go around the league. Who's in, who's out right

1078
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:49,280
Speaker 2: now the entries