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Speaker 5: Stay there. What do you got?

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Speaker 6: but you have an MVP candidate, Ellie, you have another

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Speaker 6: one in McLean and TJ. Friedel just drives in all

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Speaker 4: Baby, look out for Chase Burns.

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Speaker 5: Baby.

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Speaker 3: All right, for the people, try to answer some quickie

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Speaker 3: questions here before we go to break. Sicilian said or

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Speaker 3: the jays of World Series contender if they signed Pete Max.

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Speaker 2: Right, I would say, yes, they're World Series contender. Wow,

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Speaker 2: I would say all the teams, no, sixty seventy percent

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Speaker 2: in freeency. How can you sit there and say they're

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Speaker 2: not World Series contenders with some of the guys they

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Speaker 4: Don't I don't think it's enough.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's your opinion.

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Speaker 4: That's right, Yes, there you go.

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Speaker 6: There it is what who says they can't be a

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Speaker 6: World Series Look at the teams that have won the

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Speaker 6: World Series in the last three years. Compare them to

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Speaker 6: the not current roster, the roster with Max Scherzer and

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Speaker 6: Pete Alonzo.

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Speaker 2: Okay, don't say that.

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Speaker 6: Are they better than Is their lineup better than the

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Speaker 6: Texas Rangers lineup? Do they have a Do they have

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Speaker 6: a Nathan Valdi that steps up and absolutely shuts the

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Speaker 6: door in the World Series? Max Max Schurzer comes back

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Speaker 6: and and just absolutely just deals in as a lights

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Speaker 6: out pitcher. I don't think it's enough.

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Speaker 2: I don't a few nickels on them before the season

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Speaker 2: started to make it to the World Series.

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't. That's that's wrong.

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Speaker 3: And l is much stronger than the al Still, the.

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Speaker 2: Dodgers are winning it for the next twenty years, so

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Speaker 2: it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 4: That's right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, why are we even doing this show? Why are

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Speaker 3: you watching?

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Speaker 4: Why are they?

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Speaker 3: The Dogs have won every year for ten years, right

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Speaker 3: they They.

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Speaker 2: Could have ten injuries and still have a really good

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Speaker 2: I hope this year because of the Dodgers.

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Speaker 6: Instead of everybody coming in best ship my life, people

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Speaker 6: start coming and be like fattest I've ever heard. What

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Speaker 6: because of the Dodgers. Because the Dodgers are too good?

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Speaker 6: It doesn't matter. I'm just looking to I'm just looking

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Speaker 6: to play out my contract goes. I'm not on the

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Speaker 6: Dodgers and they're gonna win.

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Speaker 4: No, that doesn't happen.

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Speaker 6: Dudes are Dudes are in the thick of it right now.

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Speaker 6: They are in the thick of it, full go BP

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Speaker 6: ground balls at home in the cold, long toss to win.

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Speaker 4: That's what they want to do. Oh you did that

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Speaker 4: right now.