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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Fire Drill UH, the first one of

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Speaker 1: two thousand twenty three. I hope you all had a

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Speaker 1: good new year. I hope you're back into your podcast

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Speaker 1: thousand twenty three. Our plan was to do a preview

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Speaker 1: of the major's and we did, but we also, as

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Speaker 1: Uh great story. Why I love this podcast, so stay

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Speaker 1: tuned for that. We talked about Tiger possibly not being

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Speaker 1: Uh So that's it. This is the Fire Drill, first

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Speaker 1: There's a like Michael just tells a little anecdotal story

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Speaker 1: fire Drill is. Uh So, everybody, thanks for the support.

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Speaker 1: In twenty two, we hope to have more and all

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Speaker 1: Without further ado, here's the three of us talking golf.

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Speaker 1: I got got in my head, can't get jan nothing

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Speaker 1: what I'm thinking about. Well, guys, it's two thousand and

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Speaker 1: two thousand and twenty two. Deja vu. We've thought a

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Speaker 1: lot of podcasting it. Um, it's a new year, it's

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Speaker 1: Anyone didn't the season? Just has? It? Was there an

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Speaker 1: That's Capelu, It's it's it's our our. If I may

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Speaker 1: I mean, more to your point, Ryan, this is the

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Speaker 1: And so do you do you feel like you've been

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Speaker 1: back to um whatever thirteen months ago, the Wishbone brawl

422
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Speaker 1: when we decided to live stream it. That was in

423
00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,280
Speaker 1: Freddie and Xander were in the field and the tour

424
00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:03,720
Speaker 1: was of the position that we needed they needed to

425
00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:06,639
Speaker 1: get releases, and as we know that the getting a

426
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:08,719
Speaker 1: release is a big deal, that's what's keeping guys from

427
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:10,920
Speaker 1: playing the live tour, and the tour takes it seriously.

428
00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:12,520
Speaker 1: They didn't tell us that until the morning of the

429
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:15,480
Speaker 1: Wishbone Brawl, Like we felt like it's a charity event,

430
00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:18,760
Speaker 1: it's all the money is going to junior golf. UM.

431
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Speaker 1: But that was the week of UM the RSM tournament

432
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Speaker 1: in Sea Island, and so you know, Xander's gold medalist,

433
00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:29,920
Speaker 1: he's obviously a star. Freddie's Freddie and so um at

434
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,239
Speaker 1: like the minutes before we were gonna go with this

435
00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,600
Speaker 1: live stream, which took an incredible amount of work, and

436
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,240
Speaker 1: if you've been promoting for weeks, the tour had said nothing,

437
00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:41,560
Speaker 1: and they finally like and there was already a thousand

438
00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:45,919
Speaker 1: people on the grounds, and so we're on Literally Zander

439
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,040
Speaker 1: and fred are talking to top guys on the tour

440
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,880
Speaker 1: while they're hitting ball, like Fred is holding his phone

441
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 1: and warming up with one arm. Is actually really cool,

442
00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,239
Speaker 1: and the tour people are calling us and making all

443
00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:59,920
Speaker 1: these threats and it was like, well, we're it's too late,

444
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,160
Speaker 1: We're too far down this road. And so we live

445
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,440
Speaker 1: stream that they were very upset about that, and uh,

446
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:07,479
Speaker 1: and then you know, a couple of months later was

447
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:11,560
Speaker 1: the Crosby clam Bake where Ryan was catting from Mark

448
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 1: Baldwin and we didn't I had COVID, I was even

449
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 1: on the grounds, but the rest of our crew did

450
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:19,960
Speaker 1: not have credentials. They came in as fans, and you know,

451
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,960
Speaker 1: fans are allowed to post videos and do all kinds

452
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:27,480
Speaker 1: of fun stuff that reporters are not. And so it's

453
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Speaker 1: kind of a gray area. If you work for me

454
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Speaker 1: to company, but you don't have a media credential, what

455
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 1: can you do? It was it was not it was

456
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 1: not settled law, as um Brett Kavanaugh would say, and so, um,

457
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:41,359
Speaker 1: we wanted posting some fun content about Mark Baldwin. The

458
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 1: tour took exception to that. UM and so, yeah, they

459
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,200
Speaker 1: weren't credentialing us. It wasn't that big a deal because

460
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 1: you know, then we got into the major seasons and

461
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,560
Speaker 1: obviously they don't control the major championships, so we were

462
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 1: on site for all of those. UM and then after

463
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 1: a lot of backchannel communication, I wounded up at the

464
00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 1: Tour Championship and that was really the first tour event

465
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Speaker 1: I covered in two thousand and twenty to UM, but

466
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 1: I got shut down Michael from taking pictures inside the

467
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:09,920
Speaker 1: ropes as a caddy, which it does say you sign

468
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 1: a thing when you take a catty, but it is

469
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 1: very much a rule that is overlooked. If you go

470
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 1: and follow two or catties on social media, there is

471
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 1: never not a week where there is a video of

472
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 1: a practice round or shots from the range or something

473
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Speaker 1: from the above. I was not taking pictures obviously during rounds.

474
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 1: It was on the range prior to the round, or

475
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 1: on the putting green, or pictures of stars as they

476
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 1: walked by, like Mark was warming up next to Ray

477
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,359
Speaker 1: Romano and you know, things like that. And they said

478
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Speaker 1: I couldn't and I emailed them back with seven pictures

479
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:47,479
Speaker 1: of catty caddy's taking pictures, but they didn't look too

480
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 1: kindly in my response. So yeah, so you know, we

481
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Speaker 1: here at the fact that collective we're it's a rock

482
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 1: and we're a punk rock operation. We you know, we

483
00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 1: kind of like to do things our way, but that

484
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,359
Speaker 1: will get you in running a foul of various PGA

485
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:06,640
Speaker 1: to regulations. So um, but I think we're we're they've

486
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 1: seen the kind of coverage you want to do and

487
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 1: they want us to be there, so we're I do

488
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 1: have a season credential as of you know, for it

489
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Speaker 1: for this season, which is I'm it's it's helpful from

490
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Speaker 1: bureaucratic standpoint, but the big deal is that if you

491
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Speaker 1: can still apply on a weekly basis, like this is

492
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 1: what I did for the Tour Championship. But those people

493
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:29,919
Speaker 1: don't get into the clubhouse and I don't think they

494
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:34,399
Speaker 1: have they don't don't have practice facility. Um access and

495
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 1: as as you guys know, and probably a lot of listeners,

496
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 1: most of the best interviews you get either the locker

497
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:41,920
Speaker 1: room or on the driving range or on the putting green,

498
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,679
Speaker 1: and so it made the hotel or the hotel or

499
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Speaker 1: on the phone or on the phone occasional weeks like that. Um,

500
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Speaker 1: but I do have another I do have another rich

501
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 1: Carlton CAPITALU story. We can we can side by that

502
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 1: for next week. But um so, yeah, it's helpful to

503
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:00,679
Speaker 1: have the season long badge because they just lets me

504
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:02,880
Speaker 1: do my job more effectively and I'm grateful for I'll

505
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 1: try and follow the rules, I really will. We'll see

506
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:09,640
Speaker 1: how it goes. Um. So let's look ahead a little

507
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:13,239
Speaker 1: bit into the twenty three season. Um, there's I mean,

508
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 1: there's a lot of great events. Obviously, the Phoenix Open

509
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 1: elevated the same week as the super Bowl. That's going

510
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:22,160
Speaker 1: to be an absolute melee and that should be fun. Um.

511
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 1: I think the l A Open might be the best

512
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 1: tournament golf personally. Um. Of course, I'm always looking forward

513
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,640
Speaker 1: to Pebble Beach. But um, between now and the Masters,

514
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 1: let's say, what are you guys excited about? Can I

515
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 1: quick questions? You both now have used the word elevated.

516
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 1: Are you telling me that this is now in the

517
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:45,399
Speaker 1: lingua franca of PGA tour conversation, because unfortunately I'm not

518
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:50,879
Speaker 1: using it. I love it. I mean the question, except

519
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,639
Speaker 1: for in this instance, is Pebble Beach elevated? I assume

520
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 1: not no. But this this is a sad information. It's

521
00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 1: going to be next year. Um, not more. But what

522
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,479
Speaker 1: the tour is realized is by what's the sitting room

523
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 1: for elevator what should we call it special? We'll call

524
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 1: them these creating these special tournaments. Um. You know, for

525
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 1: whatever a dozen of them, they're leaving behind two thirds

526
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 1: or three quarters of the schedule. It's kind of like

527
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 1: you know, in elementary school they used to have that

528
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 1: gifted and talented education. They pull a few kids out. Hey,

529
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 1: they're the smart kids, and all your kids have got

530
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 1: left behind. You're the dumb ones. Like they just banned

531
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 1: the whole program because it was bad for the self

532
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: esteve with the other students. It's exactly like that on

533
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 1: the PGA tour, Like, um, so they have to they

534
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 1: have to sprinkle around the gifted and talented tag to

535
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 1: the other tournaments in the coming years, or what's the incentive,

536
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: Like why pay eight million dollars to not get any stars,

537
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 1: not get any love, get no media. So I think

538
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 1: it's pretty clear that they're gonna have to They're gonna

539
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 1: have to rotate that that tag, which if if everyone's elevated,

540
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 1: then no one is elevated. I don't know, it gets

541
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 1: it gets really funky. Minor hand's gonna start sending out

542
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 1: stickers that reads, every tour player is a what has

543
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 1: that middle school thing? You know? Is it honorable? Is

544
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 1: an honorable picture tour? On this PGA tour. It's kind

545
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,479
Speaker 1: of useful for us because it's, uh, it shows how

546
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 1: naked this whole thing is, you know, We've all discussed

547
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 1: this all last year, you know, since they came up

548
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 1: with this, uh, this scheme. It's their way of being

549
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 1: live light. Really is these elevated tours. So I guess

550
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,399
Speaker 1: you know, when you think about it that way, it

551
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 1: is a legitimate thing. It's killing their own word. I

552
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:36,400
Speaker 1: cannot stand to use product because, uh, instead of having

553
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 1: a series of events, which is the PGA Tour, it's

554
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: now like watch us this week, don't bother for a

555
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 1: couple of weeks, watches this week. And that's not really that,

556
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 1: that's not really tour. But everything is changing, like even

557
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 1: this start of the season, Cappe Louis, this was the

558
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 1: way golf. Here's your mellow start to the mellow new year.

559
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 1: Will work always slowly to the floridast wing and then

560
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 1: the Masters will come and then kind of ramp ramp

561
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: up to the U s Open. Then after the US Open,

562
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 1: really the golf season was over. That's all over. Now

563
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 1: everything is special all the time, because that's how life

564
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 1: is special or special. Every child that this middle school

565
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 1: is special. I love. Yeah, I don't know, like I

566
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: can't top that. What are you looking forward to? You

567
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: were starting to say, Okay, seriously, and I'm not joking,

568
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 1: the Waste Management Monday Qualifier will be the greatest Monday

569
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 1: qualifier in the history of the PGA Tour, not joking.

570
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 1: That's not an exaggeration, not hyperbole, nothing. Hundred thirty hundred

571
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 1: player field, so it's a field that's short. It's elevated events,

572
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: so all the top players outside of the players that

573
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 1: use their one they don't have to play, but most everyone,

574
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 1: so that the field is always good anyway. Now it's

575
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 1: gonna be even better. It's a twenty million dollar purse.

576
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 1: Everybody's gonna come to the Monday that is not eligible

577
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: because they want to get in on a twenty million

578
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 1: dollar tournament. Make some for some great stories. It's always

579
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 1: a great Monday qualifier anyway. Legitimately, there might be two

580
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Speaker 1: d players in the Monday Qualifier. How can you get

581
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 1: two and your guys on on one course. Well, you're

582
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 1: gonna have to do it in two waves over two days.

583
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 1: Oh really, Monday always few days. That always Michael, that

584
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: Monday always goes into Tuesday. Anyway, there's usually you know,

585
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 1: six or seven groups left on the on the course

586
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 1: for Tuesday morning. That it's always a huge Monday anyway, Um,

587
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 1: everybody lives there, proximity blah blah blah blah. Um. But

588
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 1: you know a lot of like former PGA Tour winners

589
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 1: that are like, I don't know if I want to

590
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Speaker 1: go to a Monday. Are gonna go to this one?

591
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 1: I would think, because it's a twenty million dollar purse. Jonathan, Yeah,

592
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 1: I will. Jonathan plays a lot of them, but yes, yeah,

593
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 1: I mean Ben Crane, He's not gonna travel all the

594
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Speaker 1: way across the country. Probably will because it's a twenty

595
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 1: million dollar perse. Uh. I just got a text yesterday

596
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: from the Southwest PGA Section director and there's already four

597
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 1: players signed up for the pre qualifier. There's nine pre qualifiers,

598
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 1: so it'll be seven hundred players in the pre qualifier. Uh. Basically,

599
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 1: if you're in the pre qualifier, you have to shoot

600
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 1: back to back sixty threes to get into the waste

601
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 1: management open. Um, Ryan, are you gonna cover that live

602
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: in in the flash? Yes, percent, I'm going to be there. Uh.

603
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 1: I have a great story about the waste management vera

604
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 1: Scott Berliner who is a like kind of legendary UH grinder,

605
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 1: but he's a pro in uh New York I believe.

606
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 1: So the waste management uh used to have Monday qualified.

607
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 1: There's no pre qualifiers. Back in the day, they had

608
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 1: uh three sites for Monday Qualifier with one spot at each, okay,

609
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 1: and they always used to fill up. And Scott Berliner

610
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: has a so you can imagine a one spotter. You're

611
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: playing in a hundred person field for one spot. Scott

612
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 1: burn Leiner has like a two o'clock t off time.

613
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: He shows up and a guy has shot fifty eight.

614
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 1: He's knowing that he has to shoot a fifty eight

615
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 1: to get into a playoff, to get into the Monday qualifier,

616
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: and he spent like, you know, three hundred dollars or

617
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: a thousand dollars to get there. Uh. So that's the

618
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 1: waste management. That's what I'm looking forward to. Pre Corey

619
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 1: Connor is winning the Masters. I I I hear your reservations, Michael,

620
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: but definitely the West Coast wing is is going to

621
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 1: be juiced this year because um because of of this

622
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 1: new energy around around these these events. So, uh, that's

623
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 1: gonna be a fun one. The Masters, of course is

624
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 1: always a big deal, but it's gonna have extra um

625
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 1: significance this year. Really bringing together all these players. Um.

626
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 1: You know, Fred really put that statement out a few

627
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 1: weeks ago saying what we were the only position the

628
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: Masters could take is if you're if you're qualified, you

629
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: can come play. It would have been a travesty if

630
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: if they start banning players. I mean, they don't need

631
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: to get involved in this turf war. The Masters, they

632
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 1: get one week a year there. The mandate of August

633
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Speaker 1: National Golf Club is to put on it its best

634
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Speaker 1: possible tournament. So so you're you're bringing together these live

635
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 1: guys and the tour. You know, it will have been

636
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Speaker 1: the first time since since St. Andrew's when things were

637
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 1: still unsettled. Me at that point Camp Smith and not

638
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 1: officially jumped to live um, even though we felt like

639
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 1: it was coming um and the battle lines of Harden.

640
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Speaker 1: So um, it's gonna be interesting. A place that that

641
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: strives for this artificial gentility and this very controlled environment

642
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 1: like the friction there is going to be delicious. How

643
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 1: much you're looking forward to this Masters, Michael, You know,

644
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Speaker 1: I think I don't know how they're gonna do it,

645
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: but I think Fred Ridley and company will rise to

646
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: the occasion and we'll use the Masters to create some

647
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 1: kind of olive branch between these warring factions. Because you

648
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 1: know this is a cliche, but it's born in truth.

649
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 1: You know, there always as themselves. What would Bobby Jones do?

650
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: Bob Jones would do whatsever best for golf, and this

651
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 1: whole situation is not best for a golf um, And

652
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: I don't know what the answer would be, but I

653
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 1: think this Master is gonna be very significant in trying

654
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 1: to bring together the warring parties. I mean, it's not

655
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 1: like these guys haven't mixed. You know, they were at

656
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: the Jpmick Mass pro Am. They were they were at

657
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 1: at the Open Championship. There's been some of these European

658
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: Tour events where some of the some of the lived

659
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: players have been able to play because of this this

660
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 1: temporary restraining order. So I don't expect any catfights. But um,

661
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 1: the Master's dinner on Tuesday night for the past champions

662
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 1: is going to be quite interesting. When you put in

663
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Speaker 1: a small room and you know Phil about out of

664
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Speaker 1: the festivities at St. Andrew's um, but he's not gonna

665
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Speaker 1: miss that. So you're gonna have Tiger and Phil in

666
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 1: the same room with with Jordan's and and you know

667
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,439
Speaker 1: these tour loyalists, and you have Gary player, who's who's

668
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: on Phil side, and you know he's not wanted to

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Speaker 1: bite his tongue. And and then you have you have Dustin,

670
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 1: you have Bubba, Patrick Reid, have Patrick Reed, you have

671
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Speaker 1: all these these. You know they're probably gonna put him

672
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 1: on in the corner sitting together. But it's just that

673
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:23,439
Speaker 1: is going to be great theater. And oh man, maybe

674
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,839
Speaker 1: I could parents parings will be interesting a lot, I mean,

675
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,879
Speaker 1: parents will be super interesting. Yeah. So I wonder about

676
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 1: Sergio and a lat football. I wonder, you know a

677
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 1: lot of balls such traditionalists, and uh, I wonder how

678
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 1: that relationship has evolved. You know what's interesting, though, Michael is,

679
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: as I've been tunneling deep into the the Greg Norman

680
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 1: World Tour debacle, the one player who really supported Norman

681
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 1: from start to finish was Jose Maria. And you know

682
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 1: that that was the first real attempt at disruption of

683
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 1: the PGA tour. Moddele and he facts, he facts Norman

684
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 1: his support and Norman held up, waived this paper around

685
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 1: and read from it it at critical times. So I

686
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 1: can see Sevy's fingerprints all over that one. Well, that's

687
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,320
Speaker 1: true because there was this kinship between Sevy and Norman

688
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: because they were both raging against the machine in the

689
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,439
Speaker 1: eighties of trying to be international players, trying to get

690
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 1: get status on the PGA tour. And you know, back

691
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:29,320
Speaker 1: then Dean Beeman wanted Sevy to play fifteen events in America,

692
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 1: like in addition to playing Europe and the may it was,

693
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: and so you know, Sevy got suspended from the tour

694
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 1: for a year, and so there's you're right about that.

695
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,919
Speaker 1: I mean, the Sevy Sevy had no love for the tour,

696
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 1: and I'm sure that was an influence on Jose Mario.

697
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 1: But um, so yeah, he's he's an interesting person in

698
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: all of this. And I've been trying to get an

699
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 1: audience with him too, and he's very elusive, as you know.

700
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Speaker 1: But um, that's the one week so uh it's it's

701
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:59,439
Speaker 1: gonna be in a hotel lobby. Yeah, well yeah, we've seen.

702
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: That's how we knew. So Michael and I are sort

703
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: of gormand it's like we like a good meal and

704
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:08,720
Speaker 1: the major championships, Um, you wind up in these random places.

705
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 1: No one really knows the city that well, and and

706
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 1: so especially like the pre yelf days, like in the nineties,

707
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 1: it was all word of mouth, so we'd often wind

708
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 1: up at these restaurants where there was a lot of

709
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: tour players. That's how we knew we were in the

710
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,280
Speaker 1: right one. If Jose Maria was there pouring red wines,

711
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: like Okay, we're definitely in the right place because yeah,

712
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 1: or or my only butter comment or future players. But

713
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 1: if but if at the Ball was there, you knew

714
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:34,359
Speaker 1: you were in the right place. That's like I love

715
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:38,360
Speaker 1: Thai food and so um like three three tournaments in

716
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 1: a row, I wound up at at the same Thai

717
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 1: restaurant as Um Thong Hai j D And that's like, Okay,

718
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:46,240
Speaker 1: then I know I'm in the I'm in the spot,

719
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 1: like I mean, like finally I started nodding at him.

720
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 1: He's like, okay, I see you, like you know, you

721
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:55,439
Speaker 1: know what's up. There was a real, a real moment there.

722
00:37:55,520 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: But uh, anyway, really real quick about the masters. Why

723
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 1: we're on it? Uh, Jake are producer, wonderful producer. What

724
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: shout out? Jake asked me to bring this up because

725
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 1: it's very good just happening on social media right now.

726
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,359
Speaker 1: Scott Stallings hasn't played in the Masters, uh since two

727
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: thousand fourteen. Had to look that up just now run it.

728
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 1: But uh, I mean, guys, as you guys know and

729
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 1: everybody listening probably knows, gets super excited, especially when they

730
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:24,760
Speaker 1: haven't been to the Masters in a long time, waiting

731
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 1: for the official infight. And so Scott Stallings tweeted today

732
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:29,800
Speaker 1: that he has been running out to the mail the

733
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,400
Speaker 1: last four or five days waiting for his infight that

734
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 1: never came, and got a d M today from a

735
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 1: guy named Scott Stallings who has the same name as

736
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:50,800
Speaker 1: his wife, who got Scott Stallings Master invite. So I

737
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 1: have an man, I'm going, yeah, that's what I said.

738
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 1: I said, why did he Why did he message him?

739
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: Just like, hey, I gotta dude. But second of all, uh,

740
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 1: I have met a guy messaged me at a Monday

741
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 1: qualifier and said, hey, man, I'd love to meet you.

742
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan. In his name Ryan French and

743
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 1: Jake put in a picture right here we look kind

744
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:16,359
Speaker 1: of the same, and uh it's kind of crazy and

745
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: um so yeah, so Scott Stallings, some guy in some

746
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 1: town got Scott Stallings Masters in fight in the mail.

747
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,439
Speaker 1: That's spectacular. Well, you know, there's there's a golfriender named

748
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 1: Adam shue Pac which sounds a little bit like Alan Schipnuk,

749
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: and so we often get confused, probably to the detriment

750
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 1: of poor poor Adam. And but I got like, I

751
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 1: didn't write about Phil okay exactly know, he gets a

752
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: lot of blowback. It's so great. But sometimes every now

753
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 1: and then tweets thank you so much for this kinds

754
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: You know, Adam is a great guy and he's a

755
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 1: tender soul, so it's like, thank you for this very

756
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:55,879
Speaker 1: kind story you wrote about. Be like, hey, no problem,

757
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 1: happy to help you out. But the other day I

758
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 1: got a call from notable gay and um, I mean

759
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 1: I know, notice casually I haven't talked to him a

760
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 1: long time. I was like, hey, no, no, what's up.

761
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 1: He's like, man, you know, I can't thank you enough

762
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 1: for everything you did. And it was like so heartfelt.

763
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: I almost I was almost gonna go along with it.

764
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,800
Speaker 1: But because Adam had just done a story about notice

765
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 1: foundation all that I had, so I had to tell him.

766
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,399
Speaker 1: And but I have to say no to man, like

767
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: what a professional? He said, Oh yeah, you're right, I'll

768
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 1: call him but I gotta tell you, and he like

769
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 1: went in this whole like a long discourse about how

770
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 1: much he appreciates me and the work I'm doing. I

771
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 1: was like, wow, that was like that's the TV gen

772
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 1: right there. He got a producer in his year, you

773
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 1: got new information, you got Shipnick, you got shipnick on.

774
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 1: He just went with it. That's so funny. Um, that

775
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 1: was a drimic piece that Adam did on a notabile a.

776
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 1: There's a lot there, you know there there's I mean,

777
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 1: that's an underrepresented community in golf. If ever there was one,

778
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 1: uh Native Americans, and he's had a rough life. I

779
00:40:55,840 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 1: mean he said, yeah, very good story. And reading Adam's

780
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:04,399
Speaker 1: book about Dean Beamon in the Formation of the PGA Tour,

781
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 1: it's really good. I mean, I've learned a lot that

782
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:10,399
Speaker 1: a lot of it is just super esoteric and it's

783
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: a small audience it would care, but like some of

784
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:15,919
Speaker 1: the inner workings of how it all happened is really

785
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: well done. So shout out to Adam Shue Punc who's

786
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 1: not part of this podcast but maybe should be. Um

787
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 1: all I got he's got the same hair as Michael,

788
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 1: Like we could probably we could probably sneak him in

789
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 1: once in a while and people, you know, especially with

790
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: Michael's normal poor lighting, you know, we could sneak him

791
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,240
Speaker 1: in and no one would know. Yeah, I'll talk to shop.

792
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,839
Speaker 1: Can you send um, can you, said Adam, a pair

793
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: of Christine's glasses, and so you can. Yeah, if we

794
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 1: back back, No, don't have any idea silhouette most likely

795
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,439
Speaker 1: to be a successful rapper among the Gulf media. Ada,

796
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 1: that's a great name. Um, all right, So the PJ

797
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 1: Championship as we press ahead with what's supposed to be

798
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 1: semi preview of the year, even though our heart Yeah, second,

799
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:11,439
Speaker 1: we said we were going to keep this to forty

800
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 1: five minutes. We're at forty one already. No, we're not. Yeah,

801
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 1: we are. Look in the top right corner one minutes.

802
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 1: PJ Championship is at oh Kill. It's gonna be cold. Um,

803
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 1: the US opens at l A country Club, it's gonna

804
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 1: be warm. And the British opens said at Hoylake. She's

805
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 1: gonna be windy. That's gonna be Thanks for listening. No,

806
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 1: uh uh, but I mean honestly, the PG Championship in

807
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 1: early May and Rochester's a roll of dice. It could

808
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 1: be cold like this May May two thousand twenty two,

809
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 1: on the same date the pg is supposed to start,

810
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: it was like thirty nine degrees or something. It was chili.

811
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 1: So that's gonna be fun. I can't wait for the complaining.

812
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 1: You know who was really pissed when they changed the

813
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: dates on the p JH Championship for for just this reason?

814
00:42:55,200 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: Who herb Color? Yeah, yeah, you're knocking out definitely Northern venues.

815
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 1: I mean, this is this is really an experiment. It's

816
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 1: going to be fun. I mean, um, I always root

817
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 1: for chaos, so obviously I want to live guy to

818
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 1: win the Masters, and I wanted to snow during the

819
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 1: PGA Championship, Like that's the best possible scenario for this

820
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 1: this golf season. Alan some of these lived stars from

821
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 1: yesterdear cam Smith is an exception, but a brooks Kepta

822
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 1: or Patrick Read I mean, in a normal year, had

823
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: they not jumped to live, they'd be in the conversation.

824
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: We are hearing almost nothing about them. How do you

825
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: think I don't know if you're reporting would have gone

826
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 1: this far yet, but how do you think they viewed

827
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 1: their lives? Now they've taken the money, they're going to

828
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 1: keep making the money. But they're really not in the mainstream,

829
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:51,320
Speaker 1: not of our golf conversation anyway. UM, I don't know

830
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 1: of anybody's I think it probably hurts Brooks's pride a

831
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 1: little bit because he liked to be the man and

832
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: he was puffed up about it and um at the

833
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 1: same time, you know, like Pat Perez, for instance, has

834
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 1: said this to me. He's like, I don't have to

835
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 1: care about anything anymore. He's like, I'm good, I'm rolling

836
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,320
Speaker 1: with live. I don't have to do the interviews. I

837
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: don't have to get sucked into the drama like I'm

838
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,439
Speaker 1: He's like, it's such a relief. You can just opt

839
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 1: out of everything. You can just say no to everything,

840
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 1: like you and sucked into the drama. He was an

841
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 1: aging player who had you know, long, long run and

842
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 1: made a lot of money. What does he even mean? Well, yeah,

843
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 1: but he was also a go to guy because he

844
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 1: was such a good talker. So when there'll be some

845
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 1: little flare up on tour like um, and you know

846
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 1: he was close to Tiger, he was emphas on was

847
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 1: and so there was just that's a just one example.

848
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: But you know, I mean brook because he's out on

849
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 1: a yacht in the Italian rivieria um and he flies

850
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 1: straight into a live event, probably no practice round, Like,

851
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think he has any regrets. Um,

852
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 1: and I still think they're in the honeymoon period. Whether

853
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 1: you think it's going to be a success or not.

854
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: I would assume the guys that are on the live

855
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: tour are like, hey, this is part of the growing pains. Yeah,

856
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 1: we're not part of the golf conscience on top of

857
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 1: mind right now, but we will be in X amount

858
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 1: of years or next year or whatever. I mean, I

859
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 1: assume there's part of that. And again for those that

860
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 1: are saying that we hate live, we don't. We well,

861
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 1: I don't know if we do. I do, I kind

862
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 1: of do. But they're definitely part of the golf conscious.

863
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 1: I'm just saying they're not top of mind, as Alan

864
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: and Michael just said, Like, you're not going to Brooks

865
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: and hearing from them week after week. You're not hearing

866
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: from Bryson as much outside of like social media stuff.

867
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 1: You know, you're not just not prominent. Well, they're just

868
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 1: the press, isn't at the live events? I mean, Um,

869
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: Doug Ferguson hasn't been a single one. You know, he's

870
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 1: basically the voice of of of golf for for many outlets,

871
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 1: you know, like Doug Ferguson's copy shows up in the

872
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 1: Monterey Herald sometimes as the associated press writer. You know,

873
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 1: all these newspapers that don't cover golf. Really they will,

874
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 1: they will, they will plug in Doug stuff when when

875
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 1: they feel like it, and he's just he's just opted

876
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,320
Speaker 1: out of Live entirely. And you know, actually I stopped

877
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:03,840
Speaker 1: going to the events last season because they were shutting

878
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 1: down players from doing interviews. And that's really why I

879
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,320
Speaker 1: didn't go to Thailand and Saudi Rabe more than anything

880
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 1: is it's a long way to go to not be

881
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: able to get people to talk to you. But they

882
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 1: just they were they kind of put a corporate chill

883
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 1: on doing interviews and so there there, I know, they

884
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 1: have to be rethinking that strategy because they need they

885
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:27,399
Speaker 1: need the oxygen that the media provides. And everyone kind

886
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 1: of buzzed in for the one what's happening with Live

887
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 1: Golf story or the big picture you know, think piece.

888
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 1: But that's done now for in season two, you're not

889
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 1: gonna get the New Yorker they're not gonna show up.

890
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 1: You're not going to get some of these other people

891
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 1: who who helped stoke the conversation, like, you really need

892
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 1: the golf press and if you can't attract if you

893
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: can't attract any of the writers to go to the

894
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 1: to the events and the podcasters, and um, they're they're

895
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 1: gonna have to be a little more inclusive and and

896
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: play ball more. I mean they were obviously was like

897
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:02,320
Speaker 1: the siege mentality, um, and I know they felt under attack.

898
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 1: And obviously me getting tossed out of the first event

899
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 1: at London like that the things that get off to

900
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:10,439
Speaker 1: a great start. So I will be curious how Live

901
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 1: as an institution handles the press, because they're gonna have

902
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 1: to actually build some bridges. For instance, I I've sent

903
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 1: multiple texts to the head of their communications, this guy

904
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 1: named Jonathan, and I've sent multiple emails to Ari Fleischer,

905
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: who's kind of their de facto vetter of things that

906
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: haven't even responded to me. It's like, that's not the

907
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 1: best way to um to deal with a reporter who

908
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:37,479
Speaker 1: wants to write about you. I think back to the majors, guys,

909
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 1: I think it's so important. Obviously Cam is probably the

910
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 1: best player in the world, one of the two best

911
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 1: players in the world for sure. But I think it's

912
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 1: it's important if you're live from a live perspective, that

913
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 1: guys win or play well in the majors because it's

914
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just like if everyone if Brookes and

915
00:47:56,200 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 1: Bryson and and Dustin I'll come to you, Um, I'll

916
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 1: come to Augusta and missed the cut, that is a

917
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:06,800
Speaker 1: huge hit. I mean they have to be relevant in

918
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 1: order to say like, hey, we're relevant, you know, because

919
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 1: they're so top heavy on the Live Tour that their

920
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: top guys just have to perform. I mean, it's just

921
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 1: there is a lot of pressure. Like Camp again, probably

922
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: the best player in the world will probably perform, uh,

923
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 1: but the other guys have to perform too, and those

924
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 1: guys are kind of the outside of Cam. The guys

925
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 1: are starting to be out of the conscious, like Brooks

926
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 1: has had a lot of injuries. Dustin's you know, not

927
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:33,800
Speaker 1: a top like Bryson's had a lot of injuries, but

928
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 1: it wasn't that long ago he was the best player

929
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 1: in the world. And uh, and I just think Augusta

930
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 1: is huge for the Live tour. I just really really

931
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 1: think to be a part of the conscious the rest

932
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 1: of the year, they need to play well. Completely agree

933
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 1: with that, uh and camp Smith, especially because Dustin Johnson

934
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 1: you kind of never know with him, but of course

935
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 1: to you know, historically speaking, separate Tiger and Big Jack

936
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 1: guys don't follow up your career years with career years,

937
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 1: so expecting too much from cam Smith is is unrealistic.

938
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:11,879
Speaker 1: But I I completely agree with you Ryan, for them

939
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 1: to for to the mainstream golf fan, for live golf

940
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:19,439
Speaker 1: to look relevant on this few chances when those guys

941
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 1: all do get to play in the same field, which

942
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 1: is basically the four majors, they've got to perform. And

943
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 1: I also think they can gain a huge amountment, you know, momentum.

944
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 1: If it's cam Brooks and Bryson at Augusta, everybody's gonna

945
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 1: go like, whoa, Nillie. The PGA Tour isn't deep ship,

946
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 1: you know, like on some levels ridiculous. That's such a

947
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 1: small sample size, we know, and Greed agreed. I'm just

948
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 1: thinking just fan doesn't think that way, uh, you know,

949
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 1: but along those same lines, so this hasn't really come up,

950
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 1: So tell tell me if I have this right, I

951
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 1: guess I do the Uh, this will be the first

952
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 1: Players Championship where you're really missing all the name players.

953
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 1: The defending champion for instance, Yeah, uh, they took this

954
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 1: parking doesn't even they took camp Smith's parking lot parking

955
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 1: spot down. So I mean that event takes a very

956
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:13,799
Speaker 1: big hit without its defending champion, without Dustin Johnson, without

957
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,879
Speaker 1: Brooks Keptico, even without Patrick Reed fills fills the past

958
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:20,840
Speaker 1: champion of the players. I mean, you know, um, yeah, no,

959
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 1: I agree. The majors are huge, and I will say

960
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:25,360
Speaker 1: I'm really excited about US Open at l A Country

961
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 1: Club because that is such a cool course and um,

962
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 1: we don't get new venues that often, and when we do,

963
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 1: they you know they it was Chambers Bay and it

964
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 1: was Aaron Hills and um, you know I was rewatching

965
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 1: the Chambers Bay Open and that was such an unbelievable finish.

966
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 1: I mean, so much great stuff happened there. It was

967
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: to me, that's one of the best opens in a

968
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 1: long time. But it was wonky because of the greens

969
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 1: and um, but the court from Ta Green. That course

970
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 1: looks so good on TV and and and l A

971
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 1: Country Clubs super visual and it has a long pedigree,

972
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 1: even though it's at has this renovation now, so um

973
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 1: to get to go to to go to that course.

974
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be really fun. The architecture nerds

975
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 1: are gonna love it. It's gonna look incredible on TV.

976
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 1: The players are gonna love it. I think it's gonna

977
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 1: be at fantastic open. And you know l A, they

978
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 1: don't really support the l A Open that much like

979
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 1: I think it's the It's just it's never been a

980
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 1: part of the sports culture in that town. But l

981
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 1: A does love a big event, and the US Open

982
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:27,800
Speaker 1: is a big brand. And I think I think the

983
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: crowds will be great. I think there'll be a lot

984
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:31,319
Speaker 1: of flashy people in the gallery, and I think it's

985
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 1: gonna be a fun tournament. So that's that's I'm more

986
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 1: excited about this US Open than than you know, some

987
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 1: of the other recent venues. I just think I think

988
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 1: it's gonna be It's gonna be cool. If someone has

989
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 1: who has spent as you have a lot of nights

990
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles and been around l A Golf a lot,

991
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 1: how do you think the COGNIZENTI compare the idea of

992
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 1: having uh a lot the US open in the Los

993
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 1: Angeles at l A country Club versus Riviera. Yeah, it's interesting.

994
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 1: You know. L A Country Club is such a proud

995
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 1: institution and it's really it's kind of the it's the

996
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 1: blue bloods of l A. They forever they've they've been

997
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:13,360
Speaker 1: prideful that they have no actors among the members. Like

998
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 1: it's really it's um it's it's it's lawyers and it's politicians,

999
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 1: and it's it's people who run the city outside of

1000
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 1: the entertainment industry. And excuse me. So whereas Rivera has

1001
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 1: has got celebrity members and but l A Country Club

1002
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 1: is a place where where there's there is there's so

1003
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 1: much pride in their courses and the um. Whereas riv

1004
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:40,319
Speaker 1: you know, it's very corporate like um, it's it does

1005
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 1: it doesn't. Revere is the best course with kind of

1006
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 1: the worst membership in l A. I think it's how

1007
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 1: people look at it. And whereas l A Country Club

1008
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 1: is is just it's it feels. It feels like an

1009
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,759
Speaker 1: East Coast joint in a lot of ways, and um

1010
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 1: for better and for worse. So uh, I think the

1011
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 1: golfing community, I think thinks this is really cool. It's

1012
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 1: become kind of the crown jewel of l A Golf

1013
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 1: in some ways, and it's gonna get it's gonna get

1014
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 1: the recognition it deserves. And I mean, let's face it,

1015
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 1: revere that. I mean, they can't get people to turn

1016
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:11,319
Speaker 1: out even to that event. We you know, year after

1017
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 1: year when they had the PGA Championship. There was kind

1018
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 1: of famously a disaster when el Kington one and so um,

1019
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 1: you know, l A Golf has not been on the

1020
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 1: map as far as the big time tournaments, um for

1021
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 1: a very long time. So I think, I think, I

1022
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:26,920
Speaker 1: think this will become one of the one of the

1023
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:31,959
Speaker 1: anchor courses. Do you really yeah, I mean, in other words,

1024
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 1: in other words, uh, well, I mean you've got pebble

1025
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 1: and are you saying in Sedatry Pines you would see

1026
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 1: you'd expect to see a lot more of this. And

1027
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 1: it's it's such a better golf course than Tori And

1028
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 1: it's the big time energy of of Los Angeles. If

1029
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:50,320
Speaker 1: if you know they've they've sold out all the corporate stuff.

1030
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 1: I think they've sold out the tickets, Like I think

1031
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 1: it's gonna be It's gonna be a home run, and

1032
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 1: I think that you'll definitely bump aside Tory Pines, and

1033
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 1: um so, I think it's gonna be impactful in the

1034
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 1: US Open for sure. Um Well, can I give you

1035
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 1: a quick my quick shorthand on is it Eli? Is

1036
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 1: it North or South? Here's my quick shorthand in ell

1037
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 1: A North. If you like Augustin National and you like

1038
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:16,400
Speaker 1: Pine Valley, you're gonna love this l A North because

1039
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 1: it's really got elements of both. But and this is

1040
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 1: a very significant but it doesn't look like the US

1041
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:23,839
Speaker 1: Open course at all. I mean when I was last there,

1042
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 1: there were basically no trees whatsoever. I don't know what

1043
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 1: they're gonna do for rough. When I was there, it

1044
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:30,719
Speaker 1: was like Augustin National used to be. It was just

1045
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 1: a wide open playing field with very little rough. Uh So,

1046
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 1: it's a different kind of US Open. And it doesn't

1047
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 1: have that super traditional that that Riviera definitely could. It

1048
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:44,879
Speaker 1: doesn't have that superdertional US Open values. But as you say,

1049
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 1: is as its acculate place, it's definitely spectacular place to me.

1050
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:53,479
Speaker 1: Tory Pines on the Pacific Ocean was spectacular on TV

1051
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 1: and its spectacular to be there. Maybe not a great,

1052
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 1: great golf course, but certainly a very good golf course. Well,

1053
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 1: Tori is enigmatic because, um, a lot of people hate

1054
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 1: it as as a championship venue because it's such a

1055
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:09,800
Speaker 1: basic design, Like the whole most of the holes are linear,

1056
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 1: there's bunkers on both sides. It's very prescribed golf. Whereas

1057
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 1: as you're saying, l A. North, there's different ways to

1058
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 1: play every hole and there's more decisions to make, and um,

1059
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:21,880
Speaker 1: I think it will appeal to that that kind of

1060
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:26,839
Speaker 1: golf viewer. But um, yeah, there's no doubt it's gonna,

1061
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:30,320
Speaker 1: I think surpass Tori. And the odd thing about Tory Pines,

1062
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 1: it's had t u s opens and both have been

1063
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:35,320
Speaker 1: epics or decide on the last hole by you know,

1064
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:37,399
Speaker 1: when rom One he was the best player in the world.

1065
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:40,880
Speaker 1: So it's produced the leaderboard you want. It's just it's

1066
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 1: not the most artful canvas if you're if you're into

1067
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:45,920
Speaker 1: that sort of thing, but if you want to an

1068
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 1: exciting finish with the top players like Tori's delivered. So

1069
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 1: I don't know, we'll see, but I I do think

1070
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 1: that Ellen North is gonna This is not gonna Its

1071
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:55,839
Speaker 1: only US Open and let me. Let me correct myself here,

1072
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 1: because I could see that in your knowing nod. I'm

1073
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:02,360
Speaker 1: sure you knew this, God willing will all be covering it.

1074
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 1: The nine US Open is scheduled for l A Country

1075
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 1: Club on its north course. Yeah yeah, and those are

1076
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 1: those U S and g A things are interesting, Like

1077
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 1: I would like to know what the wiggle room is

1078
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 1: on you know, the schedule these tournaments, you know, twenty

1079
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 1: five years out, Like what is the outclause? If? Um,

1080
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:25,880
Speaker 1: there's like who knows what? Like if valleys underwater? What

1081
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 1: does exactly what do you do? Yeah? The San Andreas

1082
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 1: fault runs right below the third fairway of and I'm

1083
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:33,400
Speaker 1: just I just made that up, but like you just

1084
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 1: you never know. So um But anyway, Um, all right,

1085
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 1: let's let's go to hoy Lake, which of course is

1086
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 1: the scene of one of tigers great performances. Will even

1087
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:45,880
Speaker 1: show up there, we haven't. We're deep into a preview

1088
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:47,879
Speaker 1: about the two thousands ray three seasons. We haven't even

1089
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 1: mentioned the words Tiger Woods. Unbelievable. But I guess that's

1090
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 1: the sign of the times. Um. I mean, it's it's

1091
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:57,320
Speaker 1: gonna be be melancholy if he's not there because that

1092
00:56:57,440 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 1: that really I know you're you're on site for that

1093
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:01,880
Speaker 1: for that tournament, Michael so was. I there was something

1094
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 1: sort of magical about burnt out moonscape of the golf

1095
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 1: course and Tiger's hitting four irons close to the most

1096
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:11,520
Speaker 1: guys a hidden wedges, and um, you know that was

1097
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:15,280
Speaker 1: that was that was a transcendent performance. But what'll what'll

1098
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 1: it be like to you know, if there's no Tiger

1099
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 1: when we go back there. Well, we we've had a

1100
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 1: lot of that over the years, you know, Patrick Carrington

1101
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 1: one uh to open, so that Tiger in the field

1102
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 1: and open is an open uh And as we found

1103
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 1: out last year, you can spend a lot of time

1104
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 1: building up some I did crazy expectation of about what

1105
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 1: Tiger Woods can do at an open because the course

1106
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 1: is flat relatively he said of walk. Uh. And then

1107
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 1: you know St Andrews was St Andrew's. So I'm expecting

1108
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 1: absolutely nothing from from Tiger at Why Lake. Um, just

1109
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 1: the name Hoy Lake, Liverpool, the history of Jones, history

1110
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 1: of Tiger there. Um. Uh, it's neat that it's neat

1111
00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 1: to be going back there. Uh, No one does the

1112
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 1: rote Asian of course, aren't that many but how the

1113
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 1: r n A organized its rotation is really like nothing

1114
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 1: else in golf. It's known with such confidence, and even

1115
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 1: when it goes to these sort of tried and true

1116
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 1: courses like Hoylake, they somehow have this magic formula of

1117
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 1: allowing just enough time that you're like, oh, I'm happy

1118
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 1: to be back here. It's an exciting golf course, but

1119
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 1: it's just really neat to be there, you know. I

1120
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 1: mean you and I were both there. We both saw it.

1121
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 1: You know, Tiger just hit links. Golf has been said

1122
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 1: a million times. It's not really about putting. It's about

1123
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 1: hitting irons on the face and play in the wind. Uh.

1124
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 1: There's a majesty and that just like seeing Tiger play

1125
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 1: that second shot into fifteen the year that he won

1126
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 1: at Augusta uh um one most recently two. Uh, it's majesty.

1127
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:50,680
Speaker 1: Really is golf. So I'm already I hadn't been part

1128
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 1: of this conversation, but just having this conversation does make

1129
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 1: me excited about going back to Hoylake. We better book

1130
00:58:56,840 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 1: our rooms for that downtown Marriott. Now it's probably too late, No,

1131
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 1: did Yeah, that's yeah, that's a good call. This is

1132
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 1: what we care about fire pit is not not the

1133
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 1: best at booking outside like we're we're not the timeliest people,

1134
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 1: and we know the dates. In fact, we could book

1135
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 1: our hotel for the U S Open today. I think, Um,

1136
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 1: that's a good reminder, yes, uh uh. And I will

1137
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 1: say I'm planning to go to the first If you

1138
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 1: want an offseason, how about Live Golf. I mean they've

1139
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 1: just shut down for months and months, But um, I'm

1140
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:33,960
Speaker 1: gonna go to the first event and at mycoba. That's

1141
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 1: my that's my intention because I think that's gonna be interesting.

1142
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:37,400
Speaker 1: I think there'll be a lot of news coming out

1143
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 1: of that week. And let's say Live wants to be disruptive.

1144
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 1: Is that a true or not true statement? Yes? What

1145
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 1: could be more disruptive for these Lived people than to

1146
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 1: have an event opposite the Masters for mega mega mega bucks.

1147
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:57,680
Speaker 1: And this would be my caveat and invite to this

1148
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 1: one off tournament not part of the lip series anybody

1149
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:04,640
Speaker 1: who has ever won the Masters or finished or finished second,

1150
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 1: by which you would get Johnny Miller and all the

1151
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:13,800
Speaker 1: you know, various other lend matiss. I think all the

1152
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 1: uh Lees Louis use tis in uh all the various

1153
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 1: people who have either one or not one. They're going

1154
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:22,920
Speaker 1: to get a massive paycheck just just to show up.

1155
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 1: Uh and uh, I don't know how closely you follow

1156
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 1: Indie car racing. But it never worked out for the

1157
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 1: Michigan five h The Michigan five hundred was opposite of

1158
01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 1: the Indie five and uh, that's what they did. They

1159
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:44,080
Speaker 1: put on a high priced five opposite of the indie

1160
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 1: and uh, it didn't work and it and it basically

1161
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:54,320
Speaker 1: has ruined IndyCar racing. And it is a great uh

1162
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 1: look into the scary future of golf. It at the

1163
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 1: breakup of I r L and CART. This is super deep.

1164
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 1: For people that don't know Indy car racing, this is

1165
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:08,000
Speaker 1: super nerdy. But I r L and CART were the

1166
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:11,760
Speaker 1: two warring factions, and it ruined Indy car racing. It

1167
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:15,720
Speaker 1: has never regained the popularity of one. Well, that's right,

1168
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:18,520
Speaker 1: I did not know any of that. That's that's very telling, Ryan,

1169
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 1: and that's why that's why fred Ridling Company have have

1170
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:23,920
Speaker 1: such a big mandate here to try to figure out

1171
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:27,560
Speaker 1: how to get golf on one page. If it can

1172
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:30,600
Speaker 1: be done, if you know, based on the example you decited,

1173
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:33,240
Speaker 1: I've been reading about the USFL. You reading about the

1174
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:37,240
Speaker 1: A B A like, it's there's rarely enough stars in

1175
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:40,440
Speaker 1: any sport to support two leagues. There's just there just isn't.

1176
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:44,720
Speaker 1: And um, golf, especially where you're rooting for the individual

1177
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:46,880
Speaker 1: and not not the you know, the team or the

1178
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:52,280
Speaker 1: franchise like it's, um, there's there's not much precedent. I mean,

1179
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:56,640
Speaker 1: cricket did go from this this very long, onerous four

1180
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 1: or five day matt and they introduced kind of a

1181
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:06,480
Speaker 1: one day, um, sort of sort of fast and furious

1182
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 1: kind of version of cricket, which had become hugely popular,

1183
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:11,280
Speaker 1: and that would be the one the one sport that

1184
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:15,560
Speaker 1: reinvented itself successfully. But anyway, yeah, okay, we we should

1185
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:18,480
Speaker 1: probably end this this preview before it's two thousand and

1186
01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:22,080
Speaker 1: twenty four, but um uh it's always fun to talk

1187
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:25,160
Speaker 1: off with you guys, and uh, we'll see what we'll

1188
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:28,960
Speaker 1: see what happens. Luckily, we'll we'll offer weekly updates on

1189
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:31,160
Speaker 1: how the twenty three season is going here on the

1190
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:35,520
Speaker 1: Fire Drill podcast. So any any parting thoughts where we

1191
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:39,840
Speaker 1: we release the listeners. Yeah, um, my sleeper for the

1192
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 1: PGA Championship, olaf Leftson the highest ranked Icelandic golfer in

1193
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:53,640
Speaker 1: the world. Since it's possibly snow, that's the kind of report.

1194
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:56,600
Speaker 1: He's probably not eligible. He's probably not eligible, but it's fine.

1195
01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:59,040
Speaker 1: He might. It's got four months of plays away, and yeah,

1196
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:04,760
Speaker 1: it's good. It's fine. Michael. Uh. The actor Victor Mature,

1197
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:06,960
Speaker 1: if I'm pronouncing that correctly, tried to get into the

1198
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:10,360
Speaker 1: Country Cup. They told him that they didn't take actors.

1199
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:14,040
Speaker 1: He said, I have twenty eight films to prove that's

1200
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:17,000
Speaker 1: not the case. I'm not sure how to talk that. Yeah,

1201
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:20,040
Speaker 1: you can't, that's Michael. I mean, that's why it's just

1202
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:23,640
Speaker 1: unreal to be on this play. I love it, all right,

1203
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:27,120
Speaker 1: all right, Well for Michael Bamberger and Ryan friends, this

1204
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:31,520
Speaker 1: is allan allan, thank you, yes, aloha and uh we'll

1205
01:03:31,560 --> 01:03:33,880
Speaker 1: do this again next week. Thanks for listening. That's the end.

1206
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:41,840
Speaker 1: By I'm Ben Big play to win made a fortune

1207
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:46,400
Speaker 1: within my ship game. I ran the table and thought

1208
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:49,840
Speaker 1: I could fall. Then the win hit me like a

1209
01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:56,720
Speaker 1: cannon ball, and now I can't shape is losing the street.

1210
01:03:57,560 --> 01:04:03,160
Speaker 1: Every road I take isn't dead and stream I got

1211
01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:07,640
Speaker 1: thoughts in my head. Can't get him out, trying not

1212
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:11,520
Speaker 1: to think what I'm thinking about. I got thoughts in

1213
01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:16,040
Speaker 1: my head, can't get him out. Trying not to think

1214
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:17,600
Speaker 1: what I'm thinking about