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Speaker 1: From house Stop works dot Com. Hello, and welcome to

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Speaker 1: the podcast. I'm Kristen and I'm Caroline, or should I

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Speaker 1: say welcome to the Oprah Winfree Show show, the show

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Speaker 1: about Oprah Win Show. Yes, thank you, I'm glad to

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Speaker 1: be here. We we just for this episode. We brought

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Speaker 1: it because I'm in love with Katie Holmes and yeah,

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Speaker 1: well we Kristen brought in a wagon of fat. Yes,

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Speaker 1: and I also wrote a fictional memoir yes, that I

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Speaker 1: will accuse you of all sorts of things. It's called

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Speaker 1: A Million Little Podcasts. Wow, Wow, Here we go. Here

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Speaker 1: we go, folks. Get ready because we're talking about Oprah

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Speaker 1: today because on two th eleven, a date that will

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Speaker 1: live in infamy, the last episode of The Oprah Win

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Speaker 1: Free Show aired. It did, and then I mean she

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Speaker 1: started her own network, so yes, she didn't. She didn't

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Speaker 1: go far. The Oprah Win Free Network, which I'll go

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Speaker 1: ahead and stay upfront that Discovery Communications, which is the

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Speaker 1: owner of how stuffwork dot Com is affiliated with so

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Speaker 1: we'll keep our upper Win free network comments at bay

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Speaker 1: because we really need to just talk about the woman

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Speaker 1: and the show, because she's one of the most powerful

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Speaker 1: and influential women in the world. Okay, so where where

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Speaker 1: do we start? I say we start with the show

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Speaker 1: and talk about exactly how many people it has sucked

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Speaker 1: eight million people we're viewers of the show, regular viewers

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Speaker 1: of the show. That's a lot of people. She affected

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Speaker 1: a Pontiac G six sedan. Oh god, let me tell Okay, sidebar,

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Speaker 1: my mother religiously watched Oprah for years. For years, every

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Speaker 1: day four o'clock watched Oprah. She the day what I

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Speaker 1: of these strangers get all of this stuff. She called

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Speaker 1: and they just sat there and complain because she wanted

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Speaker 1: favorite things, it would be Oprah has a good taste

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Speaker 1: in like pajamas and stuff, pajamas and Panini's. Uh see,

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Speaker 1: forty million viewers, hundred and fifty countries. The Oprah Winfree

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Speaker 1: her show, Um, as it came toward the finale on

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Speaker 1: talk about, Caroline, Well, I mean part of her popularity

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Speaker 1: But I love your podcast and really enjoyed your recent episode.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for the list. Yeah, We've had so many awesome

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Speaker 1: better idea. Anyway. Mom's seven hour Stuff Works dot Com

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