WEBVTT - Ashlee Margolis: The Environmentally Conscious Mom Boss 0:00:01.000 --> 0:00:03.840 Welcome to Katie's Crib, a production of Shonda land Audio 0:00:03.960 --> 0:00:07.880 in partnership with I Heart Radio. Don't compare yourself to 0:00:07.920 --> 0:00:11.760 other people. Don't read mom blogs and look at moms 0:00:11.800 --> 0:00:15.760 on Instagram and think that they're doing it perfectly. People 0:00:15.880 --> 0:00:19.800 put out these false airs, and I think everyone struggles 0:00:20.160 --> 0:00:31.360 they do. Hi, everybody, and welcome back to Katie's Crib. 0:00:31.720 --> 0:00:35.320 In today's episode, I have the most amazing guest. Her 0:00:35.400 --> 0:00:38.200 name is Ashley Margolis. I have known her for years. 0:00:38.240 --> 0:00:40.800 I was first introduced to her through the amazing Kerry 0:00:40.880 --> 0:00:43.840 Washington and Ashley is the founder of The A List, 0:00:43.880 --> 0:00:46.920 which is a brand building agency that develops relationships in 0:00:46.960 --> 0:00:50.519 the entertainment, fashion, and digital industries to gain client celebrity, 0:00:50.560 --> 0:00:53.840 placement and development. It launched in two thousand one. Ashley 0:00:53.880 --> 0:00:55.720 lives in l A and New York and she currently 0:00:55.720 --> 0:00:58.160 lives in Beverly Hills with her husband and three sons. 0:00:58.440 --> 0:01:01.000 Three sons. I've been wanting to Ashley on the podcast 0:01:01.040 --> 0:01:04.399 for years. She's just a really cool mom. She says 0:01:04.400 --> 0:01:07.000 it like it is. She's so the real deal, and 0:01:07.120 --> 0:01:12.039 she's also incredibly environmentally conscious and I wanted to talk 0:01:12.080 --> 0:01:17.160 to her so much about that. So welcome to Katie's Crib. Ashley. 0:01:18.520 --> 0:01:24.440 Ashley is here. She is such mom goals. So, as 0:01:24.480 --> 0:01:28.720 I mentioned before, Ashley runs and operates the A List. Ashley, 0:01:28.920 --> 0:01:32.959 how exactly did the company come about? So? The A 0:01:33.160 --> 0:01:37.360 List was born about twenty years ago when I left 0:01:37.400 --> 0:01:41.000 my old PR job. And when I left that job, 0:01:41.080 --> 0:01:43.279 I want to pursue a talk show career. Fred Durst 0:01:43.360 --> 0:01:47.039 was producing a show called All Access Ashley, Oh my god, 0:01:47.400 --> 0:01:50.400 we need that show now. It was really awesome. We'll 0:01:50.440 --> 0:01:52.800 bring it back. In the meantime, a friend of mine 0:01:52.880 --> 0:01:56.000 was went to run Global PR Coach and we had 0:01:56.040 --> 0:01:58.200 worked together at our old job, and she was obsessed 0:01:58.240 --> 0:02:01.360 with Rashida and Karata Jones. She called them Rashata and 0:02:01.600 --> 0:02:04.280 they had been long time friends of mine. And at 0:02:04.320 --> 0:02:07.120 the same time that my friend Raina who left to 0:02:07.240 --> 0:02:08.919 run Global PR Coach. At the same time, She's like, 0:02:08.960 --> 0:02:10.720 I'm dying to do an event of Coach with Rashata. 0:02:10.760 --> 0:02:13.960 And I was like, oh, that's funny because Rashida just said, Ashley, 0:02:13.960 --> 0:02:16.160 will you help me put together an event for my charity, 0:02:16.200 --> 0:02:19.440 Peace Games, And I said, actually, Coach wants to do 0:02:19.520 --> 0:02:22.080 something with you. It was the timing was perfect. I 0:02:22.200 --> 0:02:26.480 produced my first event at Quincy Jones's house. Coach sponsored it. 0:02:26.480 --> 0:02:29.840 It benefited Rashida's charity. And at the same time, Coach 0:02:29.960 --> 0:02:32.840 started sending me bags that lived in my trunk, that 0:02:32.880 --> 0:02:36.000 lived in my house up Lower Canyon, and I started 0:02:36.040 --> 0:02:38.680 gifting them out to friends from my trunk. Then my 0:02:38.760 --> 0:02:41.040 friend Raina, who was my client, said, you know what, 0:02:41.160 --> 0:02:44.239 let's start having you bring celebrities into the Coach store. 0:02:44.320 --> 0:02:46.160 We just opened a store at the Grove One in 0:02:46.240 --> 0:02:49.480 Beverly Hills. I started bringing celebrities into there and I 0:02:49.520 --> 0:02:53.600 started gifting celebrities Coach bags, and then she got me 0:02:53.639 --> 0:02:56.960 a showroom. Now, many years later, I represent about twenty 0:02:56.960 --> 0:03:03.239 two brands fashion, beauty, lifestyle, beverage, medicine, a vibrator company, 0:03:03.400 --> 0:03:09.360 Yes Vibes, and we have celebrities, taste makers, influencers, YouTubers, 0:03:09.360 --> 0:03:13.160 tiktoker's coming in the showroom and um, we gift all 0:03:13.160 --> 0:03:16.080 these people. We hope that we get the organic social tags. 0:03:16.080 --> 0:03:18.400 And then we also throw events for all of these 0:03:18.440 --> 0:03:21.120 brands and we get hired to what would be called 0:03:21.120 --> 0:03:24.600 talent procurement, but we can also call celebrity Wrangle for 0:03:25.200 --> 0:03:28.639 events around Oscar's Emmy Sundayance, super Bowl, Coachella, and be 0:03:28.800 --> 0:03:31.280 All Stars. So sometimes companies that are not our clients 0:03:31.360 --> 0:03:33.800 hire us to do talent procurement and get celebrities to 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:37.160 attend events. And when Scandal was sort of like just starting, 0:03:37.320 --> 0:03:39.840 Carrie was like, we have to go hang out with 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:43.480 Ashley and go to a list and it was so helpful. 0:03:44.000 --> 0:03:46.560 You work together, you can find an outfit for being 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:49.040 on Kelly and Ryan or a red carpet or you 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:51.080 know you're going to this thing and you're gonna be photographed. 0:03:51.120 --> 0:03:54.800 And in the same time of me meeting Ashley, I 0:03:54.880 --> 0:03:58.800 realized her running this business and being such a boss 0:03:58.920 --> 0:04:02.160 and your your own entrepreneur, and you started this thing 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:04.720 off the ground and it's so wildly successful. You're also 0:04:04.760 --> 0:04:08.240 a mother of three. Yeah, and that's insane to me. 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:10.560 And I want to know because I have to and 0:04:10.640 --> 0:04:14.400 I literally don't understand how you're doing this and also 0:04:14.480 --> 0:04:16.760 how you're doing it inside. I just think you're such 0:04:16.839 --> 0:04:21.039 a conscious parent. I think you're really good at multitasking, 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:24.600 asking for help, juggling lots of things. But also you 0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:28.680 seem happy. Tell us the secret to your fountain. You 0:04:28.680 --> 0:04:31.440 know what I mean, I have to be honest. I 0:04:31.480 --> 0:04:36.719 am feeling like depleted and defeat it. So I'm glad 0:04:36.760 --> 0:04:40.000 that on the outside I look happy. I mean I 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:43.360 am happy. I've always been a happy person. I really 0:04:43.480 --> 0:04:47.520 love being around people and socializing and that brings me 0:04:47.560 --> 0:04:50.400 a lot of joy, introducing people to people. I love working. 0:04:50.640 --> 0:04:54.719 I love being really busy, but the parenting on top, 0:04:54.800 --> 0:04:56.479 and by the way, it should start with parenting and 0:04:56.520 --> 0:04:59.480 work comes second. I'm having a totally hard time, so 0:04:59.800 --> 0:05:01.640 I need to hear about this. So take me back. 0:05:01.720 --> 0:05:04.080 Did you always know you wanted to be a mom? 0:05:04.200 --> 0:05:07.400 I always knew that I wanted to be a moment. 0:05:07.720 --> 0:05:09.839 I don't think I ever thought I would have three kids. 0:05:09.880 --> 0:05:12.840 But after we had to, time went on and I 0:05:12.880 --> 0:05:16.360 was like, I feel like there's a third person that 0:05:16.480 --> 0:05:19.080 has to be in this mix. And my husband was like, 0:05:19.120 --> 0:05:21.359 absolutely not. We are so out of the clear. We 0:05:21.360 --> 0:05:25.679 could start traveling our kids now they're ten, eight and two. 0:05:25.680 --> 0:05:30.360 Oh ship, you were like done. We were out of diapers, yes, 0:05:30.520 --> 0:05:33.720 sleeping through the night, getting on planes, even having going 0:05:33.800 --> 0:05:36.000 to places with kids, clubs, are sending them off where 0:05:36.040 --> 0:05:38.000 we could do our own thing. I mean, really, in 0:05:38.040 --> 0:05:41.120 a great place and our marriage was in a great place. 0:05:41.200 --> 0:05:43.039 And he was like, I don't want this to fuck 0:05:43.120 --> 0:05:45.799 our marriage up, and I was like, I agree, I agree. 0:05:45.839 --> 0:05:47.920 So then I go back and talk to other people. 0:05:48.520 --> 0:05:51.719 Remember talking to this mom, this wise mom at burning Man, 0:05:51.760 --> 0:05:54.040 and she was like, if you don't have enough time 0:05:54.440 --> 0:05:57.520 for your two kids, now, don't have a third. And 0:05:57.560 --> 0:05:59.479 I was like, that's a really good point. That I 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:02.200 went back and then I just kept saying, oh my god, 0:06:02.320 --> 0:06:04.839 I can't stop thinking about it. And I had heard 0:06:04.880 --> 0:06:07.839 from other people with three when you can't stop thinking 0:06:07.880 --> 0:06:10.200 about it, you gotta go for it. And I convinced 0:06:10.240 --> 0:06:12.680 my husband we went for it. I got pregnant immediately. 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:16.680 You basically sneezed, had the thought and here he is. 0:06:16.960 --> 0:06:20.240 Were the first too pretty like run of the mill, 0:06:20.360 --> 0:06:23.279 boring like your labor, so that the third wasn't was 0:06:23.320 --> 0:06:26.120 anything out of the ordinary. Tell me they were all 0:06:26.400 --> 0:06:29.919 pretty great pregnancies. I barely smoked pot with the first, 0:06:30.040 --> 0:06:32.320 smoked a little bit more with the second, and a 0:06:32.320 --> 0:06:35.719 little bit more than that the third. And he's the chillist. Nice, Now, 0:06:35.880 --> 0:06:39.320 what are your thoughts on whether look like obviously, no 0:06:39.320 --> 0:06:41.320 one's gonna tell you it's allowed, what do you feel 0:06:41.400 --> 0:06:43.560 about this? About the pot? I mean, I asked all 0:06:43.600 --> 0:06:45.920 my health and wellness people. I even went to this 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:49.240 top notch high risk doctor at U C l A 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:51.600 who was like, I can't say his name, but one 0:06:51.640 --> 0:06:54.680 of the biggest and I had just gotten back from 0:06:54.680 --> 0:06:59.600 working Coachella, and I was like, I definitely smoked some 0:06:59.640 --> 0:07:02.240 pot this weekend with our party was Snoop Dogg, And 0:07:02.320 --> 0:07:06.640 he didn't say anything. And then again I was like, oh, 0:07:06.920 --> 0:07:10.040 detinally smoked a little pot at Coachella this weekend. And 0:07:10.120 --> 0:07:12.920 he didn't turn around and say you should do that. 0:07:12.960 --> 0:07:15.680 He just looked at me and didn't say anything. But 0:07:15.840 --> 0:07:18.360 I asked, I'm obsessed with health and wellness. I mean, 0:07:18.360 --> 0:07:21.000 of course I'm a pot smoker. This is like also 0:07:21.240 --> 0:07:24.200 a big part of this episode because I really want 0:07:24.200 --> 0:07:27.440 to be you in so many arenas, but so much 0:07:27.480 --> 0:07:30.840 in the wellness situation. I like, it's beautiful. I asked, 0:07:30.880 --> 0:07:33.680 like the alternative doctors who I trust. I asked a 0:07:33.680 --> 0:07:35.840 lot of people and they all said, honestly, it's fine. 0:07:35.880 --> 0:07:38.680 They said, make sure you're continuing to work out and 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:41.280 get oxygen into your lungs and nothing in excess. And 0:07:41.320 --> 0:07:43.560 I didn't do anything crazy, a little hit there, here, 0:07:43.600 --> 0:07:46.080 a little hit there. But I had three great pregnancies. 0:07:46.080 --> 0:07:49.040 By the third, I was forty one or forty two, 0:07:49.320 --> 0:07:53.480 and I had more back pain, hearder to sleep, peeing 0:07:53.480 --> 0:07:55.560 all the time. I mean, by your forties, it's just 0:07:55.680 --> 0:07:59.360 more exhausting, more taxing on the body. But I pretty 0:07:59.440 --> 0:08:03.880 much love being pregnant. With all three, I felt really grateful. 0:08:03.960 --> 0:08:08.280 I had so many friends around me just constantly miscarrying. 0:08:08.560 --> 0:08:12.320 I really at one point felt like seventy percent of 0:08:12.360 --> 0:08:14.160 the girls that would come in the show room, we're 0:08:14.200 --> 0:08:17.040 telling me that they were couldn't get pregnant or miscaring. 0:08:17.120 --> 0:08:19.440 I was just blown away. So when I found out 0:08:19.480 --> 0:08:22.400 that my third was a boy and I really wanted 0:08:22.400 --> 0:08:26.440 a girl, I had one day of tears. And then 0:08:26.600 --> 0:08:30.440 someone in my office had kept miscarrying, and I was like, 0:08:30.840 --> 0:08:33.440 I'm not gonna feel sorry for myself. So it actually 0:08:33.600 --> 0:08:36.320 was better for me because I real quickly I was like, 0:08:36.360 --> 0:08:38.199 now this is You're not going to be an asshole 0:08:38.480 --> 0:08:41.320 just because you're having a third healthy fucking boy, and 0:08:41.520 --> 0:08:44.120 someone really close to you can't get pregnant. So you know, 0:08:44.160 --> 0:08:45.960 I was sad because I wanted to grow I'm so 0:08:46.000 --> 0:08:47.880 close with my mom, and I always thought i'd have 0:08:47.920 --> 0:08:50.640 that mother daughter thing, you know. But when I tried 0:08:50.679 --> 0:08:53.320 to rationalize why, I realized that I have a really 0:08:53.400 --> 0:08:55.920 short fuse and my boys are already giving me a 0:08:56.000 --> 0:08:57.520 run for my money. I don't know, maybe it would 0:08:57.520 --> 0:08:59.240 have been just too hard to deal with the girl 0:08:59.400 --> 0:09:02.440 emotion ends and the insecurity. I don't know. My friends 0:09:02.440 --> 0:09:06.200 with girls really talk about how hard it is dealing 0:09:06.200 --> 0:09:09.880 with the emotions. Such a funny thing, like, obviously you're 0:09:09.920 --> 0:09:12.520 going to have some relationships with one of two or 0:09:12.559 --> 0:09:14.160 three of your sons, that are They're all going to 0:09:14.200 --> 0:09:16.600 be so different. Adam is one of two boys, so 0:09:16.720 --> 0:09:20.240 his mom is a boy mom, and Adams like the chick, 0:09:20.480 --> 0:09:23.400 meaning like he's the one that would go shopping weekends 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:25.720 and then go see musicals in Philly with his mom 0:09:25.920 --> 0:09:29.200 because that's what my husband likes. Like his older brother 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:31.320 would go to the sport game and then Adam would 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:33.040 be like, do I get a mom weekend where we 0:09:33.160 --> 0:09:35.679 shot and then I get to see like Joseph in 0:09:35.720 --> 0:09:39.960 the Technicolor Dreamcoat and like, you know, so like some 0:09:40.120 --> 0:09:43.439 of your boys, who knows like how your relationship will fare. 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:45.839 But it will be super tight like you are with 0:09:45.880 --> 0:09:48.000 your mom. You know, one of them will have maybe 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:51.320 an energy that's more something that connects to you in 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:54.080 that way. Yeah. I get it though, because I was 0:09:54.120 --> 0:09:56.560 sobbing the night before when we just had to open 0:09:56.600 --> 0:09:58.840 the email if my second was going to be a 0:09:58.840 --> 0:10:00.920 groler boy. I sobbed when I found out my first 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:05.319 was a boy. Yeah. Yeah, but yes, it's a great 0:10:05.320 --> 0:10:07.120 wake up call when you're like, it's one in four, 0:10:07.160 --> 0:10:11.240 it's one in four pregnancies are miscarried. And then that's 0:10:11.280 --> 0:10:14.120 not even to say how many people can't even get 0:10:14.160 --> 0:10:16.959 to that place. So many women can't even get pregnant. 0:10:17.040 --> 0:10:19.640 So the fact that you had three and amazing pregnancies 0:10:19.679 --> 0:10:22.400 and did were they all vaginal? Birds? Were they all different? 0:10:22.960 --> 0:10:26.440 They were all c sections? And I think that my doctor. 0:10:26.480 --> 0:10:30.640 Looking back, I realized I was like, whatever you think, doctor, 0:10:30.640 --> 0:10:33.240 and I should have said, no, I refuse, I want 0:10:33.240 --> 0:10:35.559 to have this vaginally. And I was so kind of 0:10:36.200 --> 0:10:38.280 nervous at the time, and I just went into it 0:10:38.320 --> 0:10:42.520 thinking it'd be vaginal. I didn't really. It's funny because 0:10:42.520 --> 0:10:43.960 as much as I like to think that I have 0:10:44.080 --> 0:10:48.040 hippie dippy ways, I don't because that side of me 0:10:48.160 --> 0:10:51.960 should have done a little more research. I was just like, whatever, okay, 0:10:52.200 --> 0:10:55.240 the water broke and the this is happening. Whatever you think, doctor. 0:10:55.280 --> 0:10:57.240 But looking back, it was Friday night. He wanted to 0:10:57.240 --> 0:10:58.600 get home, and I was saying, you were. It was 0:10:58.640 --> 0:11:01.400 also ten years ago, like you've changed a lot. I 0:11:01.440 --> 0:11:03.960 should have fought like, because there's other doctors that It 0:11:04.000 --> 0:11:06.480 turns out my doctor loves the C section like late. 0:11:06.559 --> 0:11:09.520 I later found out, Oh, he just loves c sections. 0:11:09.720 --> 0:11:11.320 He's great at them. And I just said to the nurses, 0:11:11.360 --> 0:11:12.720 what do you think, and they said, just do whatever 0:11:12.760 --> 0:11:14.680 the doctor says. But I really should have said, no, 0:11:14.760 --> 0:11:16.680 I want to wait. He could have delivered a healthy baby. 0:11:16.920 --> 0:11:20.880 The next kid, Isaac, shoot, I don't remember. For some reason, 0:11:20.920 --> 0:11:23.360 they also suggested a C section and I said okay. 0:11:23.360 --> 0:11:26.760 And then by the third I had heard that it 0:11:26.800 --> 0:11:30.880 was hard on the body to have it v back, 0:11:30.960 --> 0:11:33.400 and I went to this new high risk guy because 0:11:33.400 --> 0:11:35.720 I was a little older, and I just wanted I said, 0:11:35.760 --> 0:11:37.839 whatever you think, doctor, But you know, my sister had 0:11:37.840 --> 0:11:40.800 her babies in her bathtubs and I was always envious. 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:43.320 At the end, it's fine, I have a great little scar. 0:11:43.440 --> 0:11:46.360 You can hardly see it. My badge is still tight. 0:11:46.840 --> 0:11:51.000 Nice girl, get it. I no looking back. It's all good. 0:11:51.040 --> 0:12:04.720 We're just moving forward now. You know, a lot of 0:12:04.760 --> 0:12:08.160 our listeners are so in it in that place where 0:12:08.160 --> 0:12:10.600 it's like they're either pregnant or they just had a 0:12:10.640 --> 0:12:13.839 baby and it might have been traumatic where they had 0:12:13.880 --> 0:12:16.480 a certain plan and it didn't go that way, either 0:12:16.960 --> 0:12:19.000 by choice or by not choice or whatever it is. 0:12:19.040 --> 0:12:21.560 So it's so great to listen to moms who have 0:12:22.240 --> 0:12:24.719 space and time, you know what I mean, Like you're 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:26.880 looking back at this ten years ago, eight years ago, 0:12:27.040 --> 0:12:30.600 two years ago. Uh, and you're onto the next thing, 0:12:30.720 --> 0:12:33.120 if that makes sense. Not that you can't honor that 0:12:33.400 --> 0:12:35.920 something might not have been what you wanted it to be. 0:12:36.000 --> 0:12:39.320 But I think it's hopefully lessons, you know what I mean, 0:12:39.440 --> 0:12:42.040 Like because you're too busy, like taking care of this 0:12:42.080 --> 0:12:45.600 ship exactly. I moved through my pregnancies as if I 0:12:45.640 --> 0:12:47.960 wasn't pregnant. I was like I have to work. I 0:12:48.040 --> 0:12:50.360 was like, I'm just running a business. This baby is 0:12:50.360 --> 0:12:53.000 just coming when it's coming. Otherwise, let's just keep moving right. 0:12:53.320 --> 0:12:56.520 And I think it's just my personality. I was focused 0:12:56.600 --> 0:12:59.640 on work, honestly, So tell me about what is it 0:12:59.720 --> 0:13:02.640 like raising three boys? And what is it like raising 0:13:02.640 --> 0:13:05.679 three boys this past year in a pandemic. God, I 0:13:05.720 --> 0:13:09.400 don't think I'm like the most amazing mom to model 0:13:09.480 --> 0:13:13.199 yourself after. So I just I wish I could say differently. 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:16.200 I do, because I was just telling my hypnotherapist, I 0:13:16.240 --> 0:13:19.360 go to bed at night stressing and thinking all the 0:13:19.400 --> 0:13:21.120 things that I want to do with them and when 0:13:21.120 --> 0:13:24.880 when can I But in the pandemic, it was actually 0:13:24.880 --> 0:13:28.560 a great gift to spend more time with them because 0:13:28.600 --> 0:13:32.400 I wasn't around enough before and so now it's made 0:13:32.440 --> 0:13:36.160 me able to reimagine how I want to show up 0:13:36.200 --> 0:13:37.960 for them and be there. I mean I was getting 0:13:38.000 --> 0:13:41.760 home three nights a week when they were already in bed, 0:13:42.679 --> 0:13:46.080 and then went to having, you know, a little over 0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:51.520 a year, having every meal with them, lunch included, and 0:13:51.600 --> 0:13:55.200 that was amazing. Was it amazing and also awful? Or like, 0:13:55.320 --> 0:13:59.000 did you really love it? No? There were awful parts, 0:13:59.080 --> 0:14:02.000 for sure, but not rushing out of the door in 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:05.160 the morning. The mornings are so hectic, yelling at each other. 0:14:05.200 --> 0:14:07.120 Did you prush your teeth? Did you do this? Did 0:14:07.120 --> 0:14:08.800 you eat? Did you pack your line. I mean, they're 0:14:08.840 --> 0:14:11.320 so crazy. Not having to rush out in the morning 0:14:11.440 --> 0:14:13.320 was huge. Being able to take our time. Some days 0:14:13.320 --> 0:14:15.880 we went on walks together as a family. We had 0:14:15.920 --> 0:14:19.080 breakfast together, then they go on their zooms and we 0:14:19.160 --> 0:14:21.160 and I go upstairs and then they would have a 0:14:21.160 --> 0:14:23.640 break For twelve to twelve thirty we had lunched together. 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:27.520 I'm really lucky because my husband is really involved and helpful. 0:14:28.200 --> 0:14:31.160 I'm not the mom that's I don't even know how 0:14:31.200 --> 0:14:34.520 to cook, I don't do homework with them. I'm not 0:14:34.560 --> 0:14:37.080 proud of these things, by the way, It's just who 0:14:37.120 --> 0:14:40.120 I am. Yeah, but you're showing up in other ways. 0:14:40.160 --> 0:14:42.520 Like I always say on this podcast, like I fucking 0:14:42.520 --> 0:14:45.800 hate I don't craft. I do not kill it at 0:14:45.840 --> 0:14:49.120 this age, like I'm constantly running away. He's like, Mommy, 0:14:49.160 --> 0:14:51.600 can you play this? And then I'm saying in two minutes, 0:14:52.000 --> 0:14:54.320 I like to like plan the whole family, make sure 0:14:54.360 --> 0:14:56.560 everyone's got what they need, blah blah blah. But I'm 0:14:56.600 --> 0:14:58.800 not like to sit on the floor and play and 0:14:58.840 --> 0:15:02.520 be present, which I feel fucking horrible about. Like I 0:15:02.560 --> 0:15:06.280 feel so bad about it. But I think hopefully when 0:15:06.280 --> 0:15:10.200 he's fourteen and wants to like talk about real ship 0:15:10.480 --> 0:15:12.600 or smoke a joint when he's twenty and we can 0:15:12.680 --> 0:15:15.520 like talk about life. I'm down, by the way. My 0:15:15.600 --> 0:15:18.080 dad shoved a joint in my mouth when I was fourteen. 0:15:18.280 --> 0:15:20.960 Get at it here, But I'm gonna I'm gonna wait 0:15:21.040 --> 0:15:23.200 way later with my kids. Why tell me why? Because 0:15:23.200 --> 0:15:25.600 of all the studies, I think fourteen was a little young. 0:15:26.200 --> 0:15:31.560 Have you always been somebody who's super into the environment? 0:15:31.640 --> 0:15:34.000 How we treat our planet? Like? Were you raised like that? 0:15:34.320 --> 0:15:37.360 Totally not. My dad had a big fashion business. I 0:15:37.400 --> 0:15:41.200 saw a lot of waste. I did not become environmentally 0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:45.480 conscious really until my husband, just in the past couple 0:15:45.520 --> 0:15:50.520 of years has become a massive environmentalist. First he became 0:15:50.600 --> 0:15:53.360 a vegan, his dad dropped it out of nowhere, and 0:15:53.400 --> 0:15:56.120 then he read the China Study, which is like huge, 0:15:56.360 --> 0:16:00.000 and then we watched Forks over Knives. He stopped eating 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:04.200 meet the next day and I beat very little meat. 0:16:04.400 --> 0:16:06.520 I don't even know what the pivotabal moment was. We 0:16:06.640 --> 0:16:09.400 just started becoming really conscious and then he just became 0:16:09.640 --> 0:16:12.400 a super extreme environmentalist. He opened a grocery store and 0:16:12.480 --> 0:16:16.600 COVID on the East Side, and you bring your own reusables, 0:16:16.640 --> 0:16:19.560 and yeah, I just so we just started paying attention 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:23.800 and then watching more documentaries and starting to care and 0:16:23.840 --> 0:16:26.920 starting to get freaked out about what we're doing to 0:16:27.000 --> 0:16:30.240 this planet. I don't think people even realize how dire 0:16:30.280 --> 0:16:32.640 it is. It's so scary. So I see plastic water 0:16:32.680 --> 0:16:37.520 bottles that kind of sends me spiraling, because recycling is 0:16:37.640 --> 0:16:40.000 not a real thing. I mean, you can recycle very 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:42.080 little plastic, and they have to be lumped together, and 0:16:42.080 --> 0:16:44.880 there's no sorting system for this type of plastic versus 0:16:44.920 --> 0:16:47.160 this everything's kind of lumped in and goes one place, 0:16:47.200 --> 0:16:50.000 but no one's even probably sorting it. Very few places are. 0:16:50.320 --> 0:16:52.480 I work with a lot of fashion brands. I stopped 0:16:52.480 --> 0:16:56.000 working with fast fashion brands. Fast fashion is just like 0:16:56.080 --> 0:16:59.320 disposable product that after three or four wears, it just 0:16:59.360 --> 0:17:01.520 goes into a and phil you can't break it down. 0:17:01.560 --> 0:17:04.879 Like organic cotton, you can break down and reuse and 0:17:05.200 --> 0:17:07.280 make a new shirt out of it. But a lot 0:17:07.320 --> 0:17:11.040 of these synthetic fabrics, actually you can't do anything with them, 0:17:11.040 --> 0:17:13.400 and so they just go into landfills and then over 0:17:13.520 --> 0:17:16.359 time there's like a process where they're just submitting really 0:17:16.440 --> 0:17:20.760 bad toxins into the environment. So, since this is newer 0:17:21.280 --> 0:17:24.240 in your life and really becoming a true value in 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:27.880 your husband's life for sure in his business, how did 0:17:27.920 --> 0:17:33.000 you change your household and also instill this into your boys, Because, 0:17:33.000 --> 0:17:36.879 like I look at my kids, fucking plastic toys is insane. 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:42.560 So I started recently putting on my personal Instagram asking 0:17:42.600 --> 0:17:46.360 for toys and getting hand me down to toys and clothes. 0:17:46.920 --> 0:17:50.600 So my sister, who's like a cool shaman into Pega Canyon, 0:17:50.920 --> 0:17:53.760 who's incredible. If I buy something new for one of 0:17:53.760 --> 0:17:56.639 her kids, it's your debt. She gets. Everything is a 0:17:56.680 --> 0:18:00.159 hand me down. We teach our kids by talking about it. 0:18:00.600 --> 0:18:05.880 We try to not buy food packaged and plastic. It's 0:18:05.960 --> 0:18:09.520 really hard to be plastic free. It's it's like near impossible. 0:18:09.720 --> 0:18:14.320 It's really, really, really hard. I am trying to wear 0:18:14.520 --> 0:18:17.520 a lot of my client farm Rio, they planted farm 0:18:17.640 --> 0:18:21.920 Rio so much the best, they're so cool. Trying to 0:18:21.960 --> 0:18:26.800 wear conscious brands and trying just trying to be smarter 0:18:26.840 --> 0:18:29.919 about my purchases, trying not to buy anything that I 0:18:29.960 --> 0:18:33.200 know I won't have for a long time, trying to 0:18:33.200 --> 0:18:36.600 borrow clothes from friends actually and for kids that's really 0:18:36.640 --> 0:18:40.000 hard because kids out grows ship. If you can get 0:18:40.040 --> 0:18:42.280 in a lineup, like I'm in a lineup of hand 0:18:42.320 --> 0:18:45.840 me downs, that's the best. Like his best friend Rocket. 0:18:45.920 --> 0:18:47.920 I get close from Rocket, and then it goes from 0:18:47.920 --> 0:18:49.960 me and it goes to Will, and then from Whale 0:18:50.000 --> 0:18:51.679 it goes to Da Dada and we weed out the 0:18:51.680 --> 0:18:54.520 ones that like have the holes and the grass stains 0:18:54.560 --> 0:18:58.119 that cannot come out. But guys like it literally doesn't matter. 0:18:58.359 --> 0:19:02.040 It doesn't. But for a lot of first time moms 0:19:02.160 --> 0:19:04.119 think that they need their kid to be in the 0:19:04.160 --> 0:19:06.240 cute ship. Oh my god, my son doesn't want to 0:19:06.240 --> 0:19:08.560 get us ever, so he wears pajamas like all fucking 0:19:08.600 --> 0:19:11.359 day and he just wears the same ship. They don't 0:19:11.400 --> 0:19:13.840 need a lot of clothes, They need a couple of 0:19:13.880 --> 0:19:15.920 T shirts. But I think that a lot of first 0:19:15.960 --> 0:19:19.040 time parents get so excited, but then you realize they 0:19:19.080 --> 0:19:21.520 grow out of it so quickly, and then it's just 0:19:21.600 --> 0:19:24.160 sitting in a landfill, not going back to the earth. 0:19:24.160 --> 0:19:26.200 How do you have conversations with your kids about this 0:19:26.400 --> 0:19:29.720 where it's not scary. I don't have the vocabulary to say, 0:19:29.760 --> 0:19:32.520 like the earth is dying and it's our fault. I 0:19:32.560 --> 0:19:34.399 don't know. We just do the best we can. And 0:19:34.440 --> 0:19:37.760 again we show them documentaries and are they interested in that? 0:19:37.840 --> 0:19:40.000 Are they so bored? They are like a lot of 0:19:40.000 --> 0:19:43.840 beautiful animal documentaries. We try to tell the teachers what 0:19:43.920 --> 0:19:46.199 we talked about with them too, And right now, like 0:19:46.359 --> 0:19:48.400 my older one is talking a lot about the environment 0:19:48.400 --> 0:19:50.480 at school and the teachers told us he's really into 0:19:50.480 --> 0:19:52.760 it because he hears about it at home. And I 0:19:52.840 --> 0:19:55.080 brought them to a recycling center once. I mean, I 0:19:55.080 --> 0:19:57.320 think now coming out of COVID, we can bring them 0:19:57.320 --> 0:20:00.520 to other places to see firsthand. I can't to imagine 0:20:00.560 --> 0:20:04.120 it's not going to penetrate into their psyche some way 0:20:04.200 --> 0:20:06.600 or another. My son just opened up, you know. We're 0:20:06.640 --> 0:20:09.439 teaching him, helping around, like okay, now it's time to 0:20:09.480 --> 0:20:12.240 take your plate or this garbage and throw it out. 0:20:12.280 --> 0:20:14.200 And he opens up the garbage. He's like, what's this 0:20:14.240 --> 0:20:16.240 one and what's that one? And why are they different? 0:20:16.240 --> 0:20:18.520 And I'm like trying to explain to him, like lastic 0:20:18.560 --> 0:20:21.160 and cardboard and all that. But you're right, it's hard 0:20:21.200 --> 0:20:23.040 because there's a big part of me that's like, is 0:20:23.080 --> 0:20:38.720 this even doing anything? Like it's hard. It's hard. What 0:20:38.800 --> 0:20:41.680 are your kids eat for lunch? Now that they're back 0:20:41.680 --> 0:20:44.160 to school, It's been really hard. There's their picky eaters. 0:20:44.280 --> 0:20:47.200 They're not vegan, but they're kind of vegan adjacent. They 0:20:47.280 --> 0:20:50.399 eat very little meat, and they do like fish. There's 0:20:50.440 --> 0:20:54.680 always a ton of fruit going on and cucumber, avocado rolls. 0:20:55.040 --> 0:20:58.040 I make a smoothie for them. That is one good 0:20:58.080 --> 0:21:00.480 thing as a mom that I'm proud of. I make 0:21:00.560 --> 0:21:03.400