1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:03,840 Speaker 1: Welcome to Katie's Crib, a production of Shonda land Audio 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 1: in partnership with I Heart Radio. Don't compare yourself to 3 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: other people. Don't read mom blogs and look at moms 4 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: on Instagram and think that they're doing it perfectly. People 5 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 1: put out these false airs, and I think everyone struggles 6 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: they do. Hi, everybody, and welcome back to Katie's Crib. 7 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: In today's episode, I have the most amazing guest. Her 8 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:38,200 Speaker 1: name is Ashley Margolis. I have known her for years. 9 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: I was first introduced to her through the amazing Kerry 10 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:43,840 Speaker 1: Washington and Ashley is the founder of The A List, 11 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 1: which is a brand building agency that develops relationships in 12 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 1: the entertainment, fashion, and digital industries to gain client celebrity, 13 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 1: placement and development. It launched in two thousand one. Ashley 14 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 1: lives in l A and New York and she currently 15 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 1: lives in Beverly Hills with her husband and three sons. 16 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: Three sons. I've been wanting to Ashley on the podcast 17 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:04,399 Speaker 1: for years. She's just a really cool mom. She says 18 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 1: it like it is. She's so the real deal, and 19 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:12,039 Speaker 1: she's also incredibly environmentally conscious and I wanted to talk 20 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: to her so much about that. So welcome to Katie's Crib. Ashley. 21 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: Ashley is here. She is such mom goals. So, as 22 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 1: I mentioned before, Ashley runs and operates the A List. Ashley, 23 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:32,959 Speaker 1: how exactly did the company come about? So? The A 24 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: List was born about twenty years ago when I left 25 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 1: my old PR job. And when I left that job, 26 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:43,279 Speaker 1: I want to pursue a talk show career. Fred Durst 27 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:47,039 Speaker 1: was producing a show called All Access Ashley, Oh my god, 28 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 1: we need that show now. It was really awesome. We'll 29 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 1: bring it back. In the meantime, a friend of mine 30 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 1: was went to run Global PR Coach and we had 31 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 1: worked together at our old job, and she was obsessed 32 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: with Rashida and Karata Jones. She called them Rashata and 33 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 1: they had been long time friends of mine. And at 34 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: the same time that my friend Raina who left to 35 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 1: run Global PR Coach. At the same time, She's like, 36 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 1: I'm dying to do an event of Coach with Rashata. 37 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, that's funny because Rashida just said, Ashley, 38 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: will you help me put together an event for my charity, 39 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 1: Peace Games, And I said, actually, Coach wants to do 40 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 1: something with you. It was the timing was perfect. I 41 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: produced my first event at Quincy Jones's house. Coach sponsored it. 42 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 1: It benefited Rashida's charity. And at the same time, Coach 43 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 1: started sending me bags that lived in my trunk, that 44 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: lived in my house up Lower Canyon, and I started 45 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 1: gifting them out to friends from my trunk. Then my 46 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: friend Raina, who was my client, said, you know what, 47 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:44,239 Speaker 1: let's start having you bring celebrities into the Coach store. 48 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: We just opened a store at the Grove One in 49 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: Beverly Hills. I started bringing celebrities into there and I 50 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: started gifting celebrities Coach bags, and then she got me 51 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 1: a showroom. Now, many years later, I represent about twenty 52 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:03,239 Speaker 1: two brands fashion, beauty, lifestyle, beverage, medicine, a vibrator company, 53 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 1: Yes Vibes, and we have celebrities, taste makers, influencers, YouTubers, 54 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: tiktoker's coming in the showroom and um, we gift all 55 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 1: these people. We hope that we get the organic social tags. 56 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 1: And then we also throw events for all of these 57 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 1: brands and we get hired to what would be called 58 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 1: talent procurement, but we can also call celebrity Wrangle for 59 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:28,639 Speaker 1: events around Oscar's Emmy Sundayance, super Bowl, Coachella, and be 60 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: All Stars. So sometimes companies that are not our clients 61 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 1: hire us to do talent procurement and get celebrities to 62 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 1: attend events. And when Scandal was sort of like just starting, 63 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 1: Carrie was like, we have to go hang out with 64 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 1: Ashley and go to a list and it was so helpful. 65 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: You work together, you can find an outfit for being 66 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: on Kelly and Ryan or a red carpet or you 67 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: know you're going to this thing and you're gonna be photographed. 68 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 1: And in the same time of me meeting Ashley, I 69 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: realized her running this business and being such a boss 70 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: and your your own entrepreneur, and you started this thing 71 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: off the ground and it's so wildly successful. You're also 72 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: a mother of three. Yeah, and that's insane to me. 73 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: And I want to know because I have to and 74 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: I literally don't understand how you're doing this and also 75 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: how you're doing it inside. I just think you're such 76 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:21,039 Speaker 1: a conscious parent. I think you're really good at multitasking, 77 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 1: asking for help, juggling lots of things. But also you 78 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: seem happy. Tell us the secret to your fountain. You 79 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: know what I mean, I have to be honest. I 80 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 1: am feeling like depleted and defeat it. So I'm glad 81 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 1: that on the outside I look happy. I mean I 82 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 1: am happy. I've always been a happy person. I really 83 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 1: love being around people and socializing and that brings me 84 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: a lot of joy, introducing people to people. I love working. 85 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 1: I love being really busy, but the parenting on top, 86 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:56,479 Speaker 1: and by the way, it should start with parenting and 87 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:59,480 Speaker 1: work comes second. I'm having a totally hard time, so 88 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 1: I need to hear about this. So take me back. 89 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 1: Did you always know you wanted to be a mom? 90 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 1: I always knew that I wanted to be a moment. 91 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 1: I don't think I ever thought I would have three kids. 92 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:12,840 Speaker 1: But after we had to, time went on and I 93 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:16,360 Speaker 1: was like, I feel like there's a third person that 94 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: has to be in this mix. And my husband was like, 95 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:21,359 Speaker 1: absolutely not. We are so out of the clear. We 96 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:25,679 Speaker 1: could start traveling our kids now they're ten, eight and two. 97 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 1: Oh ship, you were like done. We were out of diapers, yes, 98 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 1: sleeping through the night, getting on planes, even having going 99 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: to places with kids, clubs, are sending them off where 100 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: we could do our own thing. I mean, really, in 101 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 1: a great place and our marriage was in a great place. 102 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:43,039 Speaker 1: And he was like, I don't want this to fuck 103 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:45,799 Speaker 1: our marriage up, and I was like, I agree, I agree. 104 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 1: So then I go back and talk to other people. 105 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 1: Remember talking to this mom, this wise mom at burning Man, 106 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:54,040 Speaker 1: and she was like, if you don't have enough time 107 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: for your two kids, now, don't have a third. And 108 00:05:57,560 --> 00:05:59,479 Speaker 1: I was like, that's a really good point. That I 109 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: went back and then I just kept saying, oh my god, 110 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 1: I can't stop thinking about it. And I had heard 111 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:07,839 Speaker 1: from other people with three when you can't stop thinking 112 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: about it, you gotta go for it. And I convinced 113 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 1: my husband we went for it. I got pregnant immediately. 114 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 1: You basically sneezed, had the thought and here he is. 115 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 1: Were the first too pretty like run of the mill, 116 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:23,279 Speaker 1: boring like your labor, so that the third wasn't was 117 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: anything out of the ordinary. Tell me they were all 118 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:29,919 Speaker 1: pretty great pregnancies. I barely smoked pot with the first, 119 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: smoked a little bit more with the second, and a 120 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:35,719 Speaker 1: little bit more than that the third. And he's the chillist. Nice, Now, 121 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on whether look like obviously, no 122 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 1: one's gonna tell you it's allowed, what do you feel 123 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 1: about this? About the pot? I mean, I asked all 124 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 1: my health and wellness people. I even went to this 125 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 1: top notch high risk doctor at U C l A 126 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 1: who was like, I can't say his name, but one 127 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 1: of the biggest and I had just gotten back from 128 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 1: working Coachella, and I was like, I definitely smoked some 129 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 1: pot this weekend with our party was Snoop Dogg, And 130 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 1: he didn't say anything. And then again I was like, oh, 131 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: detinally smoked a little pot at Coachella this weekend. And 132 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 1: he didn't turn around and say you should do that. 133 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 1: He just looked at me and didn't say anything. But 134 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: I asked, I'm obsessed with health and wellness. I mean, 135 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: of course I'm a pot smoker. This is like also 136 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: a big part of this episode because I really want 137 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 1: to be you in so many arenas, but so much 138 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: in the wellness situation. I like, it's beautiful. I asked, 139 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 1: like the alternative doctors who I trust. I asked a 140 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: lot of people and they all said, honestly, it's fine. 141 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 1: They said, make sure you're continuing to work out and 142 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 1: get oxygen into your lungs and nothing in excess. And 143 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 1: I didn't do anything crazy, a little hit there, here, 144 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: a little hit there. But I had three great pregnancies. 145 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: By the third, I was forty one or forty two, 146 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: and I had more back pain, hearder to sleep, peeing 147 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 1: all the time. I mean, by your forties, it's just 148 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 1: more exhausting, more taxing on the body. But I pretty 149 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: much love being pregnant. With all three, I felt really grateful. 150 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: I had so many friends around me just constantly miscarrying. 151 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 1: I really at one point felt like seventy percent of 152 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: the girls that would come in the show room, we're 153 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 1: telling me that they were couldn't get pregnant or miscaring. 154 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 1: I was just blown away. So when I found out 155 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: that my third was a boy and I really wanted 156 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: a girl, I had one day of tears. And then 157 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 1: someone in my office had kept miscarrying, and I was like, 158 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna feel sorry for myself. So it actually 159 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 1: was better for me because I real quickly I was like, 160 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:38,199 Speaker 1: now this is You're not going to be an asshole 161 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 1: just because you're having a third healthy fucking boy, and 162 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 1: someone really close to you can't get pregnant. So you know, 163 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 1: I was sad because I wanted to grow I'm so 164 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: close with my mom, and I always thought i'd have 165 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 1: that mother daughter thing, you know. But when I tried 166 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 1: to rationalize why, I realized that I have a really 167 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: short fuse and my boys are already giving me a 168 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: run for my money. I don't know, maybe it would 169 00:08:57,520 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: have been just too hard to deal with the girl 170 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 1: emotion ends and the insecurity. I don't know. My friends 171 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 1: with girls really talk about how hard it is dealing 172 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 1: with the emotions. Such a funny thing, like, obviously you're 173 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: going to have some relationships with one of two or 174 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: three of your sons, that are They're all going to 175 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 1: be so different. Adam is one of two boys, so 176 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 1: his mom is a boy mom, and Adams like the chick, 177 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 1: meaning like he's the one that would go shopping weekends 178 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 1: and then go see musicals in Philly with his mom 179 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 1: because that's what my husband likes. Like his older brother 180 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 1: would go to the sport game and then Adam would 181 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 1: be like, do I get a mom weekend where we 182 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:35,679 Speaker 1: shot and then I get to see like Joseph in 183 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 1: the Technicolor Dreamcoat and like, you know, so like some 184 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:43,439 Speaker 1: of your boys, who knows like how your relationship will fare. 185 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:45,839 Speaker 1: But it will be super tight like you are with 186 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 1: your mom. You know, one of them will have maybe 187 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 1: an energy that's more something that connects to you in 188 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 1: that way. Yeah. I get it though, because I was 189 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 1: sobbing the night before when we just had to open 190 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 1: the email if my second was going to be a 191 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: groler boy. I sobbed when I found out my first 192 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:05,319 Speaker 1: was a boy. Yeah. Yeah, but yes, it's a great 193 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 1: wake up call when you're like, it's one in four, 194 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: it's one in four pregnancies are miscarried. And then that's 195 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 1: not even to say how many people can't even get 196 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:16,959 Speaker 1: to that place. So many women can't even get pregnant. 197 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 1: So the fact that you had three and amazing pregnancies 198 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 1: and did were they all vaginal? Birds? Were they all different? 199 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 1: They were all c sections? And I think that my doctor. 200 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: Looking back, I realized I was like, whatever you think, doctor, 201 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: and I should have said, no, I refuse, I want 202 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:35,559 Speaker 1: to have this vaginally. And I was so kind of 203 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 1: nervous at the time, and I just went into it 204 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: thinking it'd be vaginal. I didn't really. It's funny because 205 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 1: as much as I like to think that I have 206 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 1: hippie dippy ways, I don't because that side of me 207 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 1: should have done a little more research. I was just like, whatever, okay, 208 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 1: the water broke and the this is happening. Whatever you think, doctor. 209 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 1: But looking back, it was Friday night. He wanted to 210 00:10:57,240 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 1: get home, and I was saying, you were. It was 211 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: also ten years ago, like you've changed a lot. I 212 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 1: should have fought like, because there's other doctors that It 213 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 1: turns out my doctor loves the C section like late. 214 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 1: I later found out, Oh, he just loves c sections. 215 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 1: He's great at them. And I just said to the nurses, 216 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 1: what do you think, and they said, just do whatever 217 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 1: the doctor says. But I really should have said, no, 218 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:16,680 Speaker 1: I want to wait. He could have delivered a healthy baby. 219 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 1: The next kid, Isaac, shoot, I don't remember. For some reason, 220 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: they also suggested a C section and I said okay. 221 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 1: And then by the third I had heard that it 222 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 1: was hard on the body to have it v back, 223 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: and I went to this new high risk guy because 224 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 1: I was a little older, and I just wanted I said, 225 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:37,839 Speaker 1: whatever you think, doctor, But you know, my sister had 226 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 1: her babies in her bathtubs and I was always envious. 227 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:43,320 Speaker 1: At the end, it's fine, I have a great little scar. 228 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 1: You can hardly see it. My badge is still tight. 229 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 1: Nice girl, get it. I no looking back. It's all good. 230 00:11:51,040 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 1: We're just moving forward now. You know, a lot of 231 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 1: our listeners are so in it in that place where 232 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 1: it's like they're either pregnant or they just had a 233 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:13,839 Speaker 1: baby and it might have been traumatic where they had 234 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 1: a certain plan and it didn't go that way, either 235 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: by choice or by not choice or whatever it is. 236 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:21,560 Speaker 1: So it's so great to listen to moms who have 237 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:24,719 Speaker 1: space and time, you know what I mean, Like you're 238 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 1: looking back at this ten years ago, eight years ago, 239 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 1: two years ago. Uh, and you're onto the next thing, 240 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 1: if that makes sense. Not that you can't honor that 241 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 1: something might not have been what you wanted it to be. 242 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 1: But I think it's hopefully lessons, you know what I mean, 243 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 1: Like because you're too busy, like taking care of this 244 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 1: ship exactly. I moved through my pregnancies as if I 245 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:47,960 Speaker 1: wasn't pregnant. I was like I have to work. I 246 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 1: was like, I'm just running a business. This baby is 247 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: just coming when it's coming. Otherwise, let's just keep moving right. 248 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 1: And I think it's just my personality. I was focused 249 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 1: on work, honestly, So tell me about what is it 250 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 1: like raising three boys? And what is it like raising 251 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:05,679 Speaker 1: three boys this past year in a pandemic. God, I 252 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 1: don't think I'm like the most amazing mom to model 253 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:13,199 Speaker 1: yourself after. So I just I wish I could say differently. 254 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 1: I do, because I was just telling my hypnotherapist, I 255 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 1: go to bed at night stressing and thinking all the 256 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: things that I want to do with them and when 257 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: when can I But in the pandemic, it was actually 258 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:28,560 Speaker 1: a great gift to spend more time with them because 259 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 1: I wasn't around enough before and so now it's made 260 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 1: me able to reimagine how I want to show up 261 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 1: for them and be there. I mean I was getting 262 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 1: home three nights a week when they were already in bed, 263 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 1: and then went to having, you know, a little over 264 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 1: a year, having every meal with them, lunch included, and 265 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 1: that was amazing. Was it amazing and also awful? Or like, 266 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 1: did you really love it? No? There were awful parts, 267 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 1: for sure, but not rushing out of the door in 268 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 1: the morning. The mornings are so hectic, yelling at each other. 269 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: Did you prush your teeth? Did you do this? Did 270 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 1: you eat? Did you pack your line. I mean, they're 271 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 1: so crazy. Not having to rush out in the morning 272 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:13,320 Speaker 1: was huge. Being able to take our time. Some days 273 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: we went on walks together as a family. We had 274 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: breakfast together, then they go on their zooms and we 275 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 1: and I go upstairs and then they would have a 276 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 1: break For twelve to twelve thirty we had lunched together. 277 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: I'm really lucky because my husband is really involved and helpful. 278 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 1: I'm not the mom that's I don't even know how 279 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 1: to cook, I don't do homework with them. I'm not 280 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 1: proud of these things, by the way, It's just who 281 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 1: I am. Yeah, but you're showing up in other ways. 282 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: Like I always say on this podcast, like I fucking 283 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: hate I don't craft. I do not kill it at 284 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 1: this age, like I'm constantly running away. He's like, Mommy, 285 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 1: can you play this? And then I'm saying in two minutes, 286 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 1: I like to like plan the whole family, make sure 287 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 1: everyone's got what they need, blah blah blah. But I'm 288 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 1: not like to sit on the floor and play and 289 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 1: be present, which I feel fucking horrible about. Like I 290 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 1: feel so bad about it. But I think hopefully when 291 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 1: he's fourteen and wants to like talk about real ship 292 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 1: or smoke a joint when he's twenty and we can 293 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 1: like talk about life. I'm down, by the way. My 294 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 1: dad shoved a joint in my mouth when I was fourteen. 295 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: Get at it here, But I'm gonna I'm gonna wait 296 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: way later with my kids. Why tell me why? Because 297 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 1: of all the studies, I think fourteen was a little young. 298 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: Have you always been somebody who's super into the environment? 299 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 1: How we treat our planet? Like? Were you raised like that? 300 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: Totally not. My dad had a big fashion business. I 301 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 1: saw a lot of waste. I did not become environmentally 302 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 1: conscious really until my husband, just in the past couple 303 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 1: of years has become a massive environmentalist. First he became 304 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 1: a vegan, his dad dropped it out of nowhere, and 305 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 1: then he read the China Study, which is like huge, 306 00:15:56,360 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: and then we watched Forks over Knives. He stopped eating 307 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 1: meet the next day and I beat very little meat. 308 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 1: I don't even know what the pivotabal moment was. We 309 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: just started becoming really conscious and then he just became 310 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 1: a super extreme environmentalist. He opened a grocery store and 311 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: COVID on the East Side, and you bring your own reusables, 312 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 1: and yeah, I just so we just started paying attention 313 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 1: and then watching more documentaries and starting to care and 314 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 1: starting to get freaked out about what we're doing to 315 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: this planet. I don't think people even realize how dire 316 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 1: it is. It's so scary. So I see plastic water 317 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 1: bottles that kind of sends me spiraling, because recycling is 318 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 1: not a real thing. I mean, you can recycle very 319 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: little plastic, and they have to be lumped together, and 320 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: there's no sorting system for this type of plastic versus 321 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 1: this everything's kind of lumped in and goes one place, 322 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: but no one's even probably sorting it. Very few places are. 323 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 1: I work with a lot of fashion brands. I stopped 324 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 1: working with fast fashion brands. Fast fashion is just like 325 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 1: disposable product that after three or four wears, it just 326 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: goes into a and phil you can't break it down. 327 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:04,879 Speaker 1: Like organic cotton, you can break down and reuse and 328 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 1: make a new shirt out of it. But a lot 329 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 1: of these synthetic fabrics, actually you can't do anything with them, 330 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:13,400 Speaker 1: and so they just go into landfills and then over 331 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 1: time there's like a process where they're just submitting really 332 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 1: bad toxins into the environment. So, since this is newer 333 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 1: in your life and really becoming a true value in 334 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:27,880 Speaker 1: your husband's life for sure in his business, how did 335 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: you change your household and also instill this into your boys, Because, 336 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 1: like I look at my kids, fucking plastic toys is insane. 337 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 1: So I started recently putting on my personal Instagram asking 338 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:46,360 Speaker 1: for toys and getting hand me down to toys and clothes. 339 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 1: So my sister, who's like a cool shaman into Pega Canyon, 340 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 1: who's incredible. If I buy something new for one of 341 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:56,639 Speaker 1: her kids, it's your debt. She gets. Everything is a 342 00:17:56,680 --> 00:18:00,159 Speaker 1: hand me down. We teach our kids by talking about it. 343 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:05,880 Speaker 1: We try to not buy food packaged and plastic. It's 344 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 1: really hard to be plastic free. It's it's like near impossible. 345 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 1: It's really, really, really hard. I am trying to wear 346 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 1: a lot of my client farm Rio, they planted farm 347 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:21,920 Speaker 1: Rio so much the best, they're so cool. Trying to 348 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 1: wear conscious brands and trying just trying to be smarter 349 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:29,919 Speaker 1: about my purchases, trying not to buy anything that I 350 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:33,200 Speaker 1: know I won't have for a long time, trying to 351 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 1: borrow clothes from friends actually and for kids that's really 352 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 1: hard because kids out grows ship. If you can get 353 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 1: in a lineup, like I'm in a lineup of hand 354 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 1: me downs, that's the best. Like his best friend Rocket. 355 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 1: I get close from Rocket, and then it goes from 356 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 1: me and it goes to Will, and then from Whale 357 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:51,679 Speaker 1: it goes to Da Dada and we weed out the 358 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 1: ones that like have the holes and the grass stains 359 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:58,119 Speaker 1: that cannot come out. But guys like it literally doesn't matter. 360 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 1: It doesn't. But for a lot of first time moms 361 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:04,119 Speaker 1: think that they need their kid to be in the 362 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: cute ship. Oh my god, my son doesn't want to 363 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 1: get us ever, so he wears pajamas like all fucking 364 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:11,359 Speaker 1: day and he just wears the same ship. They don't 365 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 1: need a lot of clothes, They need a couple of 366 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:15,920 Speaker 1: T shirts. But I think that a lot of first 367 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 1: time parents get so excited, but then you realize they 368 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 1: grow out of it so quickly, and then it's just 369 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:24,160 Speaker 1: sitting in a landfill, not going back to the earth. 370 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:26,200 Speaker 1: How do you have conversations with your kids about this 371 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 1: where it's not scary. I don't have the vocabulary to say, 372 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 1: like the earth is dying and it's our fault. I 373 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:34,399 Speaker 1: don't know. We just do the best we can. And 374 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 1: again we show them documentaries and are they interested in that? 375 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 1: Are they so bored? They are like a lot of 376 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 1: beautiful animal documentaries. We try to tell the teachers what 377 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:46,199 Speaker 1: we talked about with them too, And right now, like 378 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:48,400 Speaker 1: my older one is talking a lot about the environment 379 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 1: at school and the teachers told us he's really into 380 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 1: it because he hears about it at home. And I 381 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 1: brought them to a recycling center once. I mean, I 382 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 1: think now coming out of COVID, we can bring them 383 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 1: to other places to see firsthand. I can't to imagine 384 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:04,120 Speaker 1: it's not going to penetrate into their psyche some way 385 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 1: or another. My son just opened up, you know. We're 386 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:09,439 Speaker 1: teaching him, helping around, like okay, now it's time to 387 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 1: take your plate or this garbage and throw it out. 388 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:14,200 Speaker 1: And he opens up the garbage. He's like, what's this 389 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 1: one and what's that one? And why are they different? 390 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 1: And I'm like trying to explain to him, like lastic 391 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:21,160 Speaker 1: and cardboard and all that. But you're right, it's hard 392 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 1: because there's a big part of me that's like, is 393 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 1: this even doing anything? Like it's hard. It's hard. What 394 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 1: are your kids eat for lunch? Now that they're back 395 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:44,160 Speaker 1: to school, It's been really hard. There's their picky eaters. 396 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 1: They're not vegan, but they're kind of vegan adjacent. They 397 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:50,399 Speaker 1: eat very little meat, and they do like fish. There's 398 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 1: always a ton of fruit going on and cucumber, avocado rolls. 399 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 1: I make a smoothie for them. That is one good 400 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 1: thing as a mom that I'm proud of. I make 401 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:03,400 Speaker 1: smoothies for them in the mornings and weekends. That's who 402 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 1: it's fag. Tap yourself on the fucking back because that 403 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 1: is a mess and annoying. And I always want to 404 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 1: do the smoothie too, because I sneak in the spinach, 405 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 1: but what a pain in the ass. So I pump 406 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 1: in the spinach, blueberries, I've got even a little spar alina, 407 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 1: be pollen, a little protein powder, couple healthy things or 408 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 1: greens powder. It's all about getting that spinach and and 409 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 1: then another thing that we've been doing because they do 410 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 1: like bell peppers, they like carrots, they like cucumber. Is 411 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,120 Speaker 1: a lot of time. I put that on their plates 412 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 1: first and then say finish that, and then we have 413 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:38,879 Speaker 1: the meal after. Because if it's all put at the 414 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:41,399 Speaker 1: same time, they'll go for like you know, kind of 415 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:45,440 Speaker 1: their process, fake hot dogs and fake chicken wings. And 416 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:47,439 Speaker 1: at a certain point that ship is not good for 417 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:49,399 Speaker 1: you either. If they want to eat meat, get it 418 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 1: from Bell Campo. Like, get it from places where we 419 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 1: know the animals are treated well. They're not shot up 420 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:57,440 Speaker 1: with all these hormones. They're kept happy. They're happy cows. 421 00:21:57,640 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 1: And Bell Campo is a place where we like to 422 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 1: get our meat from. We're doing some bone broth right now. 423 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:04,360 Speaker 1: Oh that's good because I was gonna say, if they're 424 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 1: not eating cheese or any meat, is it easy to 425 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 1: get their protein. There's actually more protein and vegetables than 426 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:15,679 Speaker 1: people realize. The whole circle diagram of you need this 427 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:19,680 Speaker 1: much dairy, this much meat, that's an antiquated old thing. 428 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:23,639 Speaker 1: You don't need dairy, you don't need cheese, you don't 429 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:27,160 Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of protein in vegetables actually, 430 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:29,120 Speaker 1: So they get it from that. We add a little 431 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 1: protein powder. They do eat eggs, whatever they want to 432 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 1: eat when we're out, no problem. What we what is 433 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:38,479 Speaker 1: a big no no for us is cakes with dies 434 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,440 Speaker 1: with the desserts. We try to keep it vegan or 435 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 1: with the cakes. Once it has the pink and the 436 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:45,639 Speaker 1: purple and all the colors, I think Dan and I 437 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 1: both spiral out a little bit because to me, all 438 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 1: those all that coloring, that's just cancer. Honestly, it's just 439 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 1: things that aren't that it's not supposed to be in 440 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,400 Speaker 1: our body. And there's so many dark chocolate, they love 441 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 1: vegan ice creams, and there's so many other great things. 442 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 1: Did they ever say, why does in our house have 443 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:06,400 Speaker 1: cheese ites? Or like, why does in our house have goldfish? 444 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,200 Speaker 1: Or like they don't give a ship. Yeah, they we've 445 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 1: got the vegan version of goldfish right now. Nice, It's 446 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,399 Speaker 1: that's really good. Yeah, they have case of dillas with 447 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,680 Speaker 1: our vegan cheese all the time. They're super into it. Again, 448 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 1: they're obsessed with their dad and they follow what he does, 449 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,360 Speaker 1: and he makes great vegan sausage and we have vegan 450 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 1: sausage pizza. It's still good. It's not as good as 451 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:29,639 Speaker 1: the real thing. But to me, I'm like, this is 452 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 1: really absolutely. I had to go for the first time 453 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 1: my entire life. Vera is five months and I had 454 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,360 Speaker 1: to start like a total elimination diet when she hit 455 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,679 Speaker 1: two weeks because there was blood in her poop, and 456 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 1: so we had to figure out what she was allergic 457 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 1: to in my breast milk. So I had to cut 458 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 1: out dairy for the first time in my life, gluten, nuts, everything, 459 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 1: and I haven't introduced anything back yet because I'm doing 460 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,679 Speaker 1: this big experiment, Like this is the first time in 461 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 1: my life, five months of my life where I have 462 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 1: not had dairy. I've never done that before. And how 463 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:03,200 Speaker 1: do you feel with having no dairy? Well? I feel good. 464 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:07,920 Speaker 1: And I was a dairy queen, like, yeah, dairy horn 465 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,360 Speaker 1: Like I grew up having a huge glass of whole 466 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 1: milk with dinner every single night, like cheese on everything. 467 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,440 Speaker 1: And I don't have a problem digesting it, you know 468 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: what I mean, I have no lactose anything. But it's 469 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 1: weird to see what I eat dairy. I see it 470 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 1: the next day in my face. I love cream cheese, 471 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,159 Speaker 1: but we've got some amazing vegan cream cheeses. But I 472 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 1: love a good goat, I love a good muster. I mean, 473 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:31,639 Speaker 1: I love cheese so once in a while, but for 474 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,200 Speaker 1: the most part, there's there's a lot of good alternative 475 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 1: cheese is great cash FW cheeses. I just think it's 476 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 1: so cool that your boys are like so down women 477 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 1: who are watching this who just want to fucking grab 478 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:47,440 Speaker 1: the ziplock bag or lunches. Why why is that ingrained 479 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,399 Speaker 1: in us that that's like the thing? Like why is 480 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 1: the sandwich bag, the snack bag, the gallon zip blocks? 481 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:58,120 Speaker 1: Like there are even on Amazon. There's so many options, 482 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 1: you know, as long as you're read using them, those 483 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 1: bags could be easily clean. We have a big plastic 484 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:05,439 Speaker 1: bag that goes with them, but we come home and 485 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 1: clean it and just reuse it. That's the key. If 486 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,159 Speaker 1: you had Katherine McCord on your show, she's like a 487 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 1: great mom with a lot of kids, you could follow 488 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 1: her tips on how to package everything. But there's great 489 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 1: little you know, carrying food cases where it doesn't have 490 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 1: to be repped and it all goes in that thing 491 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 1: and then it closes. Albi just started nursery school for 492 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:24,639 Speaker 1: the first time two weeks ago, so I've just started 493 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,440 Speaker 1: to get really into like how do we make this 494 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 1: situation reusable not throwing shit out? Like packing stuff Again, 495 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 1: We've also all been home, a lot of us for 496 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 1: a year and a half, and so I'm trying to 497 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 1: look at what's the better way to do this, you know, 498 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,399 Speaker 1: and the better for our environment way. It is time 499 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,399 Speaker 1: consuming to plan out the meals and your days in 500 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:48,880 Speaker 1: a way that is responsible and healthier. It all takes time. 501 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 1: And I have a nanny that lives with us, I've 502 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 1: got two greatest sistems, i have a fucking village, and 503 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,639 Speaker 1: I'm still overwhelmed every day. I go to bed every 504 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 1: night like it's the it's it's trying to find a 505 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 1: lone time with my kids. That that I think is 506 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,120 Speaker 1: what I obsessed over, because I can't seem to find 507 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 1: the time of between there after school schedule and my stuff. Yeah, 508 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 1: that was the thing we were talking about at the 509 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 1: start of this interview, like, still you feel like there's 510 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 1: never enough hours in the day. No, I'm still picking 511 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 1: my nails and going to my hypnotherapist feeling stressed out. 512 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 1: I'm still feeling guilty all the time. Last week I 513 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: was trying to get in my therapy and my workouts 514 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 1: in the morning. I didn't take them to school one 515 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 1: day last week. I was like, I can't do that, 516 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 1: you know. So refiguring that out, which means either waking 517 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 1: up super super early for the workouts are doing them 518 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, and I'm too tired 519 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 1: by the end of the day and and have to 520 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 1: save that energy for sex also, which is exhausting. Yeah, 521 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 1: you have to see your fucking husband. I was just 522 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 1: about to say, like where do you get that, and like, 523 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 1: come on, I've got nothing for you. There is at 524 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: the end of the day, there's nothing. There's nothing. Don't 525 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 1: look at me, don't talk to me. Then you end 526 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 1: up in a sexless marriage, and then you're in big 527 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,959 Speaker 1: that trouble. Like it's just Yeah. We just went away 528 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 1: for our first time him together, the two of us, 529 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 1: and it was life changing. We went to New York 530 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,160 Speaker 1: for a wedding. The second the second we dropped them 531 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,440 Speaker 1: off and left. It just felt like a huge weight. 532 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 1: It was the best thing for our marriage. I was 533 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,359 Speaker 1: I remembered why I liked him. I was like, oh, 534 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,880 Speaker 1: and had a great time. We rode bikes, we got 535 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 1: those city bikes. We had drinks, We hit up all 536 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 1: the fancy vegan spots, connected had fun. I have a 537 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,199 Speaker 1: lot of friends that won't that really don't like to 538 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 1: leave their kids and and and have it, and I'm like, 539 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:33,879 Speaker 1: how do you even have a relationship that's not because 540 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 1: this whole COVID, Dan and I were just as every 541 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:38,680 Speaker 1: parent was. We were just in it. There was there 542 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 1: was like no emotion. It wasn't like I love you, 543 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 1: We're in this together. It was like no, it was 544 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 1: literally like roommates, like hot, hustling, trying to sustain. Oh god, 545 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,400 Speaker 1: I don't think we've even fully seen or realized yet 546 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:56,119 Speaker 1: the like trauma on relationships and that that this past 547 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 1: year has done. Adam and I have our first trip 548 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 1: away the two of us with another couple, like in 549 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 1: a month, and I am already super anxious about leaving 550 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,680 Speaker 1: my six month old, like super anxious about leaving him 551 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 1: with his parents, and how are they going to handle 552 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 1: all the stuff? And I know the second I get 553 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:16,639 Speaker 1: on that plane and bring a bobbably beverage to my mouth. 554 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,359 Speaker 1: But you know what, your kids are going to be 555 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 1: so fine. I mean, I know we had issues in 556 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 1: the beginning leaving our kids with my parents. I mean 557 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,680 Speaker 1: there were times when we first started traveling, we come 558 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 1: home and realized that they didn't give a bottle that 559 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 1: the second bottle was were like, how are there? How 560 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:33,639 Speaker 1: is there? Here's the bottle bag and there's still a 561 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 1: full bottle, and with the first kid, we would spiral 562 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 1: out and like, well, how could you do that? They survive? 563 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 1: Are they all okay? Then we're good. They're fine, They're resilient. 564 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 1: The time with their grandparents is so valuable. The grandparents 565 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 1: break the rules like that is just a gift for 566 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 1: the grandparents, a gift for you guys, a gift for 567 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 1: the grandkids. I did not ever think I wanted to 568 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 1: send our kids away for that long a sleepway camp. 569 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 1: And this Humer, my ten year old, is going for 570 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 1: eight weeks. He comes home for one full day and 571 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 1: goes back again, and I am so excited. But I 572 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 1: never thought because of the way I work and how 573 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 1: much I work, I'm like, no, I don't want to 574 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 1: be gone from them, But you know what, he needs it. 575 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 1: So he needs to be a wait for us. He 576 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 1: needs to be away from the fucking iPad because when 577 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 1: they get older, the fucking iPad is absolutely the worst. 578 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,280 Speaker 1: Out of control. It's awful, it's out of control. And 579 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 1: in COVID, they got so hooked on their on their electronics. 580 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,800 Speaker 1: Of course, my son had never done TV that much before, 581 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 1: and then COVID hit. He was all of a sudden 582 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 1: gone from not much to an at least an hour 583 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 1: a day. Then Adam started the fucking pretzel business, and 584 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 1: we wouldn't let anyone in our house to fucking babysit 585 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 1: because it was the beginning and we were so scared. 586 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 1: I'll be was in front of the television for like 587 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 1: five hours on a Saturday, and I was like, this 588 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 1: is insane, Like I don't know what's happening, and now 589 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 1: to try to pull it back. It's the thing he's 590 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 1: the most obsessed with. Some mornings he wakes up and 591 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 1: it's the first thing he says to me, what am 592 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 1: I gonna get TV today? Mom? And I'm like, oh 593 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 1: my god. And this brings me to also being with 594 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 1: your kids in nature. I think you said you guys 595 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 1: hike or take family walks and stuff like that. Do 596 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 1: your kids like that or they just complaining that they're 597 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 1: not on my iPads the whole time, both my middle 598 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 1: kid and I. He's going through a lot of issues 599 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 1: and it's hard. It's really hard. Sometimes we have to 600 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 1: bribe them with the iPad and say we're going to 601 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,040 Speaker 1: go on a hike. And it's a fighting all right, 602 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 1: I'll give me the eye pad later. But we've been 603 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 1: renting bikes a lot, are actually bringing our bikes down 604 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 1: to the beach parking in Santa Monica and riding to 605 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 1: Venice and back, and it's been really great. And they 606 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 1: get to see so much. I mean there's tons of 607 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 1: exercise classes and people meditating and all the homeless drum circles, 608 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 1: I mean a lot to look at, and it's fun. 609 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 1: The scenery changes and the people change, and so that's 610 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 1: been fun. And then I talked to them like, while 611 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 1: we're riding, you know, when it's not too crowd, I 612 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 1: could go next them right behind and to have that 613 00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 1: time because it's only in the car, really, I mean 614 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 1: at home, they don't really want to talk. They're busy, 615 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 1: they're doing things, and we don't do a good job 616 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 1: of having proper dinners altogether. I feel like that's rushed 617 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 1: and we need to figure that out. It's something that 618 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 1: all these therapists and people remind us how important it 619 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:15,719 Speaker 1: is to at least try to have a couple of 620 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,960 Speaker 1: meals together. And even our new pediatricia was like, you 621 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:23,479 Speaker 1: have meals the other I'm like, what are they saying, 622 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,240 Speaker 1: like weekly, try a couple of nights a week, try 623 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 1: to all sit together talk about the day. You know, 624 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 1: they're just rushed because they're rushing to go do this, 625 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 1: So they're rushing to do that. I mean, it's is 626 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 1: it that you feel guilt, mom guilt about not spending 627 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 1: time with them, or that you want to spend time 628 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 1: with each of them individually both. I'm trying to find 629 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 1: time to spend more time alone with them. So it's 630 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 1: me and Dan with one of the kids, or just 631 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:48,840 Speaker 1: me and one of the kids. So I went to 632 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 1: this thing actually down at the beach. They do it 633 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 1: in Venice into Pegan Canyon Beach. It was kind of 634 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 1: like a burning Man Vibe you rent for twenty dollars headphones. 635 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,520 Speaker 1: It's like ecstatic and dance l A that might be 636 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 1: what it's called. And I may go again this Wednesday. 637 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 1: And you dance on the beach and there's a DJ 638 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 1: and everyone puts the headphones on and you dance. And 639 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 1: it was a little hippie, dippy, a little vulnerable for 640 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 1: my oldest son, but we just danced together. I ended 641 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 1: up bearing him in the sand and he just kind 642 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 1: of moved around. I mean, everyone else was dancing. You 643 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:18,760 Speaker 1: don't want to dance, but we still had a great 644 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 1: time together. Then we went to dinner together and he 645 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 1: had been so mean to me for like the week before, 646 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 1: you so, and then we went and had a great 647 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 1: night together, and for good four days after he was 648 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 1: being really nice to me, he just started being mean again. 649 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 1: What does that mean? How? What does he do? I'll say, Oscar, Oscar, 650 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 1: make your bed, says the woman who never makes her bed. 651 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 1: Everything is says the woman who And I'm like, what 652 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 1: are you? Work is going on right now? God? This 653 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 1: is my future. I'm terrified. Oh it's it's so bad, Oscar. 654 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 1: You know, stop yelling, says the woman who taught me 655 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 1: how to yell. He rolls his eyes at me. I 656 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:55,960 Speaker 1: mean you were saying something like fourteen year old boy, 657 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 1: I'm talking. He's tent okay. He is so mean. He's 658 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,520 Speaker 1: like beating me down to a pulp and I'll cry 659 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 1: so today, I can't tell you that anymore. And you're 660 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,600 Speaker 1: the toughest ship. You're like tough, no, because then you 661 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 1: have the guilt of like I'm not around enough and 662 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,360 Speaker 1: like he's acting out and showing me he needs more 663 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 1: of me, and how do I fix this? And I 664 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:20,640 Speaker 1: need to be alone with him. It's just it's really hard. 665 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:24,640 Speaker 1: And I think having the third was hard. Even though 666 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,400 Speaker 1: they're obsessed with him, the two year old gets the 667 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 1: most of me and it's hard. It's really three is 668 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:36,200 Speaker 1: really hard. I'm so happy we did it, but I 669 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,720 Speaker 1: don't have a second for myself ever. Even when I 670 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 1: get massages and treatments, I'm usually on a call during it, 671 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 1: but I try not to be because it defeats the 672 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:48,080 Speaker 1: whole purpose. Yeah, you can't, Okay. In wrapping up any 673 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,760 Speaker 1: advice for parents out there from the incredible Ashley Margolis, 674 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 1: tell me my advice would be, don't compare yourself to 675 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:59,240 Speaker 1: other people. Don't read mom blogs and look at moms 676 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:03,240 Speaker 1: on Instagram and think that they're doing it perfectly. People 677 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:07,360 Speaker 1: put out these false airs, and I think everyone struggles 678 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:12,720 Speaker 1: they do. I think that comparing yourself to what else 679 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,880 Speaker 1: you see in here, don't do that. I think knowing 680 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,280 Speaker 1: that falling out of love a lot of the time 681 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,759 Speaker 1: is normal and to just not feel shame in that, 682 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:26,480 Speaker 1: and to know that between working and parenting. That's so cliche, 683 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,960 Speaker 1: but it's so hard to be a working mom. When 684 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,960 Speaker 1: people say to me, how do you find the perfect balance. 685 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,600 Speaker 1: I don't think there is any such thing as the 686 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:38,759 Speaker 1: perfect balance. It's just doing the best you can, not 687 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,960 Speaker 1: beating yourself up for anything, and just moving forward and 688 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,920 Speaker 1: trying to do it better. This is all amazing. Finish 689 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:50,920 Speaker 1: this sentence really quickly. Parenthood is hard as a motherfucker. 690 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:57,000 Speaker 1: Hell yeah, hard as a motherfucker. Hard and trying and 691 00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:03,240 Speaker 1: emotional and has so the ups and downs and it's tough. 692 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,719 Speaker 1: But it's a blessing and it's amazing and I'm grateful 693 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,320 Speaker 1: every day for it. I would have it no other way. 694 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,319 Speaker 1: But I don't think people tell talk about it enough 695 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,360 Speaker 1: how hard it is. I don't think they've talked about 696 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:19,040 Speaker 1: how hard having babies are. This is why Katie's Crib 697 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:22,000 Speaker 1: exists because we're all like, this ship is so fucking hard. 698 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:26,000 Speaker 1: That is so fucking hard. Yeah, thank you so much 699 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:29,759 Speaker 1: for coming on Katie's Crib. I think you are the coolest. 700 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,600 Speaker 1: I think your kids are so lucky to have you, 701 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:34,919 Speaker 1: And you better tell them to call me and I'll 702 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:40,880 Speaker 1: tell them that you are the mother who kicks ass. Okay, 703 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 1: thank you guys so much for listening to today's episode, 704 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:49,799 Speaker 1: and be sure to subscribe. Tell your friends share it 705 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 1: with all your mama's out there, and also I want 706 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,279 Speaker 1: to hear from you. 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