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Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal holl that for me. I'm

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Speaker 1: a man, I'm for it.

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Speaker 2: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to

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Speaker 2: be happy. You want to be happy for Dake Edith Steak.

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Speaker 1: Is that woo woom and then and tie? Welcome back

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Speaker 1: to these curbal boys and girls. My name is Ty Hildenbrand.

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Speaker 1: That fine gentleman over there, the one, the only, still,

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Speaker 1: the incomparable, you know, his name is Dan rubens Seines, Sir,

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the pod. What's up? Ty?

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Speaker 2: I want you to strip down your perspective. I want

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Speaker 2: you to strip down your outsider perspective, and I want

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Speaker 2: you to put on the quarter zip the team issued

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Speaker 2: under Armours Nikes Adidas. I want you to sit behind

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Speaker 2: a desk, perhaps with some pendulous balls. You know what

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Speaker 2: I'm talking about, those metal you know they go back

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Speaker 2: and forth, the pendulum balls.

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Speaker 1: I've never heard them referred to as pendulous balls, but

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Speaker 1: I am from Yes.

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Speaker 2: I want you to assume a more corporate mindset because

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Speaker 2: I am putting you in this seat. I'm putting myself

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Speaker 2: in this seat as well of an athletic director at

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Speaker 2: a pretty good program. I don't know by definition, what

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Speaker 2: the most pretty good program is, ty, But we're here

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Speaker 2: to rank coaches. And if you're an athletic director, what

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Speaker 2: would be a good athletic director? Name like a good

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Speaker 2: make believe I got one?

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Speaker 1: You ready? You are now? Skip thatcher? Skip that as

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Speaker 1: a perfect dat isn't that pretty good?

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Speaker 2: He also he is eventually going to become the ACC commissioner,

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Speaker 2: possibly driving the conference into the ground in the early

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Speaker 2: twenty thirties. But we on our last episode came up

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Speaker 2: with our like top ten to fifteen ish by like

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Speaker 2: a very specific subjective method of coming up with coaches.

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Speaker 2: And we have a lot more coaches to discuss and rank.

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Speaker 2: And I want to simplify because I have to do

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Speaker 2: a lot of math on the fly last week.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is mostly to serve us and to conceal

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Speaker 1: the depths of our math abilities.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would the good people at like the SAT

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Speaker 2: Procter would be like, I don't think this is the room.

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Speaker 1: For you, sir.

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Speaker 2: So I want you to really I want you to

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Speaker 2: wear that skin tie. I want you to silence of

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Speaker 2: the lambs this scenario for yourself. And I don't know

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Speaker 2: where I'm going with this, But I want you to

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Speaker 2: think about if you are an athletic director and we

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Speaker 2: have a list of what twelve thirteen coaches that did

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Speaker 2: is where it becomes more difficult. Like hiring Kirby Smart's

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Speaker 2: a no brainer, Hiring Kyle Whitningham's a no brainer perhaps

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Speaker 2: to some Hiring Dabl Sweeney's a no brainer. These are

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Speaker 2: more difficult calls. And I want you to really dig

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Speaker 2: the next three years, the.

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Speaker 1: Next three years. So here is the setup right for

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Speaker 1: people who are just tuning in and aren't familiar with

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Speaker 1: what this whole episode is. Dripped down, stripped down, Thank

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Speaker 1: you and the pendulous Balls. Last episode, we trotted something

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Speaker 2: Now, did we leave off good coaches who could have

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's rank also receiving votes. Matt Campbell good coach,

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Speaker 1: The last on my list? Yeah? I want to. Let's

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Speaker 1: we want drama here, Ty, we want to build. Okay,

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Speaker 1: last time my list is Dion. Okay, same, last of

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Speaker 2: Here's what we know definitively about Deon Sanders. As an

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Speaker 2: What do we actually know about Deon Sanders Almost nothing.

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Speaker 2: It's almost I would argue unfair to put him on

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Speaker 1: But that's it. Yeah, there, I am as thirteen. There's

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Speaker 2: Like if year one is supposed to be the year

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Speaker 1: Do you think? And then we'll move on. We'll keep

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Speaker 1: working away up the list here. Yeah. If TCU beats

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Speaker 1: Who's next on your list? So we both agree on

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Speaker 1: bit low.

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00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 2: You've got well if we're talking about the next three years, though,

431
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,679
Speaker 2: I think I think we're in the midst of a downturn,

432
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,240
Speaker 2: even though they won whatever is left of the Big

433
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 2: ten West, because that's not how we're you know, shaping

434
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 2: the conference anymore. I just I'm anticipating, if you know,

435
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:36,199
Speaker 2: having the school get rid of his son, like I

436
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,199
Speaker 2: know everybody is. It's easy to dunk on Farrence and

437
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:43,280
Speaker 2: be like, Iowa's a joke whatever, But like at a

438
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:47,000
Speaker 2: certain point he's going to lose his fastball four or

439
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 2: his knuckle or whatever he's throwing. Yeah, and I'm banking

440
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:50,720
Speaker 2: him on that a little bit.

441
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:52,679
Speaker 1: Well, I mean as I looked at this list as

442
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 1: a whole. Yeah, we had thirteen names in the list.

443
00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,119
Speaker 1: There was a grouping of about five guys at the

444
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 1: top for me and then everybody else. I was able

445
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,920
Speaker 1: to break into different categories, right, m you have guys

446
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 1: like Jonathan Smith and Matt Ruhle, who I classify broadly

447
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:13,880
Speaker 1: as builders. Is a programmed builders. This category here where

448
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:19,159
Speaker 1: Ferrence belongs, along with Pat Nardoozy and Dave Dorin and

449
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 1: Willie Fritz. What I said earlier, more with less, and

450
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 1: I think of the more with less guys, Kirk Farrence

451
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:30,160
Speaker 1: has done that more than anybody else. He has done

452
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 1: that more than anybody else. Now, it could be.

453
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 2: I mean, it's still NFL talent that he's one with

454
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:36,160
Speaker 2: on both sides of the ball.

455
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 1: It could be he's having to win with more with

456
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 1: less because he doesn't know how to adapt. This could

457
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:45,919
Speaker 1: be a bit of a self inflicted wound because he

458
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 1: has not adapted offense at all. Maybe maybe by some

459
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:52,160
Speaker 1: miracle little work this year, I don't know, But part

460
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,200
Speaker 1: of that is his own doing, so he should be

461
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 1: docked for that, But also we should credit him for

462
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 1: the fact that, in spite of it all, he is

463
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:00,400
Speaker 1: pretty damned dependable. You know what you're gonna get from

464
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,879
Speaker 1: Iowa year and in year out. The build quality on

465
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,360
Speaker 1: the defensive side of the ball is actually pretty good.

466
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 1: The opportunity over the next three years in the Big Ten,

467
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:11,639
Speaker 1: I think I agree with you. It's only going to

468
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 1: get harder for Iowa. So yeah, maybe he's losing a

469
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,400
Speaker 1: little bit off the fastball, or he's having to throw

470
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 1: more junk. Whatever you know, metaphor works for you is fine. Yeah,

471
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 1: I think generally I'm a little bit higher on parents.

472
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 1: I think just because his track record of doing this

473
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 1: every year, despite all of the outcry, the fact that

474
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 1: he just wins games and isn't sexy but somehow, some

475
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:46,639
Speaker 1: way can strangle the life out of you. That is

476
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 1: both frustrating and sort of a marvel of modern college football.

477
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 1: I agree. So I've got Farens at eight on my list.

478
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 1: He's a little bit higher up. Do you think us

479
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 1: skip Thatcher could sell Kirk Farrance to your fan base? Hell? Yeah,

480
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,159
Speaker 1: saying hell no, But this isn't a hiring conversation.

481
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, for the next three years, would you

482
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 2: rather hire Kirk like you would rather hire uh Kirk

483
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 2: Farance than Marcus Freeman for the next three years to

484
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 2: run your program.

485
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 1: Because what you're telling me.

486
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 2: Ah see, now he's wiggling near his pendulous balls on

487
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 2: the desk.

488
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: He's wiggling. This isn't fair. This isn't fair. Yep, all right,

489
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,879
Speaker 1: So you've got You've got Dion, then you've got Dave Dorin,

490
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,679
Speaker 1: then Kirk f then you've got Kirk Farrance. Who is

491
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 1: who is your next guy? After?

492
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 2: So between Kirk Farence and Willie Fritz. So I have

493
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 2: at nine, I have Jeff Brom.

494
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 1: Wow, you're low on Brom. I'm low on Brom. Why

495
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 1: are you? I want a dream big and you don't

496
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 1: think that. You don't think that Jeff Brom is a

497
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 1: well ninth, You've got him ninth. I have Jeff No,

498
00:26:54,760 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 1: I have him tenth. I have nine. Yeah, explain I

499
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 1: want and that's really low.

500
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 2: I want more NFL talent. I want more quarterbacks. I

501
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 2: know Aidan O'Connell. Aid O'Connell is an NFL quarterback now right.

502
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 1: For the Raiders.

503
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:13,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, he has recruited. I think he recruited pretty impressively

504
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 2: at Perdue. Honestly, especially look at some of the receivers

505
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 2: he brought in the eye for assistant coach talent. I

506
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 2: think Jeff Brom's very impressive coach. Was it David Bell

507
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 2: and ron Dale Moore? Where a couple of the headliners

508
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 2: running game never really got going, had some good defensive linemen.

509
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 2: Hired your guy Nick Holt as defensive court for a spell.

510
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:33,920
Speaker 1: There your guy.

511
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 2: But I don't know push comes to shove. I think

512
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 2: he's beaten a couple of like truly flawed ranked teams

513
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:45,880
Speaker 2: and got some credit for that. Like would they beat

514
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 2: Michigan State Mel Tucker era Michigan State Kenneth Walker? Like,

515
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 2: I think a lot of credit is sort of heaped

516
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 2: on him. And I don't think I'm getting pop with

517
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 2: Jeff Brom. I think that quality whoa whoa hold on? Yeah?

518
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:04,360
Speaker 1: No, I know, I know. They were the ACC Championship

519
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:08,639
Speaker 1: game last year. Yeah. How'd they do against Florida State's

520
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 1: backup quarterback? Not great? How they do against Kentucky not

521
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 1: a great Kentucky team? Not great?

522
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 2: Like, I think they were medium sized in a sea

523
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 2: of not so tall and that's okay. I think Jeff

524
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 2: Brohm's a good coach. I think he's recruited well, once again,

525
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 2: I think he has an eye for assistant talent. Obviously

526
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 2: very aggressive in the portal at Louisville. The NIL program

527
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 2: at Louisville seems robust. But man, I don't I don't

528
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 2: think I'm you know, flirting with double digits as skip

529
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 2: Thatcher with Jeff Bram. I don't think that the duo

530
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 2: of Thatcher Bram is doing a lot of work.

531
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 1: Brom is fifth on my list. I'm considerably higher on Joe.

532
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 2: Jeff Brom over Marcus Freeman for the next three years.

533
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 1: I like, see, this isn't fair. I like Marcus Freeman.

534
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 1: I do. But if I am, if I am forced

535
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 1: to grade against other coaches, and if we're using our

536
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: goofy imaginary scale as something of a guide, yeah, I guess, yeah,

537
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 1: I guess The answer is.

538
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 2: What's the big what's the big zaz? What's the electricity

539
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 2: with Jeff Brom that has you like, what do you say?

540
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: Fifth? Fifth? Yeah? Yeah, he went twenty six and twenty

541
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 1: five in the Big ten. I think I think Jeff Brom,

542
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: with the resources of Louisville, is a much much better

543
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 1: coach than it was at Purdue. And I think I

544
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 1: think we're already starting to see this, and I, you know,

545
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 1: I hold up Mike Norvell as kind of the example

546
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: for this, always the first name that comes to mind

547
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 1: in this day and age, because it's equal parts high

548
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: school recruiting as well as portal. And Jeff brom I

549
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: think has done a pretty good job of towing that line,

550
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: walking that balance between not being too heavy in one

551
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: versus the other, but knowing how to go out there

552
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: and raise the the floor of the program via the portal.

553
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 1: And he did that last year by going out and

554
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: getting Jack Plumber. He got more out of Jack Plumber

555
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 1: than you or I ever thought. Now this year, provided

556
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 1: Tyler Shuck can stay healthy, maybe he has an opportunity,

557
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 1: as Andy Staples told us back in February, to be

558
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 1: this year's Michael Pennix. Who knows, But Jeff Broms seems

559
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 1: to be the kind of guy who knows how to

560
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 1: develop talent, and I think that's a really big deal.

561
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 1: I also think in the ACC, I mean, look, times

562
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: are changing very quickly, and we know that Florida State

563
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: and perhaps Clemson. I don't know if there are others

564
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 1: want out of the ACC, but this is not a

565
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 1: conference that we look at and say, this is filled

566
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 1: to the brim with murderers and murderers and murders. Okay,

567
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 1: these are teams that are in many cases what the

568
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 1: kids would say, mid, Okay, you can get by. Well,

569
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 1: I'm writing this stuff. You can get by. You can

570
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,959
Speaker 1: get by if you are Jeff Brom with quality talent

571
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 1: and you know how to organize a roster in a

572
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 1: way that you know you get a dependable result week

573
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 1: in and week out. You can get by. But that

574
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 1: can take get by, That can take you places in

575
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 1: the ACC.

576
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it can't take you to a place that beats

577
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,959
Speaker 2: you the twenty twenty three pit Panthers though, right, maybe not.

578
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 2: It can't beat It can't beat you Christian Veoh and

579
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty three pit Panthers. That is being a

580
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 2: prisoner of the moment, and that is not fair for

581
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,239
Speaker 2: a coach in his first Just higher on Brahm than

582
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 2: you are, well, I understand. I think Bram is a

583
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 2: good coach. I think Purdue is a tough job. I

584
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 2: think Louisville is an easier job. I'm excited to see

585
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 2: if he can take Louisville up a level or back

586
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 2: to like the Charlie strong ish time. But at the

587
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 2: same time, I think he gets a lot of a

588
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 2: lot of benefit of the doubt for Purdue in the

589
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 2: Big Ten. West made one conference championship game. I think

590
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 2: he won one West right in his final season at Purdue.

591
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 2: Took off after by the way, I say, why I

592
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 2: took off.

593
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 1: This is going to be a fun conversation when you

594
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 1: go all in on Jonathan Smith, which I can see

595
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 1: coming a mile away. Yeah. Sure, you probably already have

596
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: the Jonathan Smith tattoo on your back. We'll get when

597
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: we get to that. Who is your number nine?

598
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 2: Unless you've already My number nine is patn Ardoozy. Number

599
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 2: eight is paton Ardoozy. Yeah, legendary coach who took down

600
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 2: Jeff Brahm and the Louisville Cardinals fastball.

601
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: I've got Nardoozi at nine, and then I've got fair

602
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 1: in to date. Okay, and again, Nardoozi is more with less.

603
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: I would I would love to hire patn Ardoozy. I

604
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 1: would love to eat club sandwiches with patn Ardoozy. I

605
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 1: would love to hear him out on all of his

606
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: college football theories. And I am overrating him potentially because

607
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: I just kind of like him. I like him now

608
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: that he's being completely honest all the time, unfiltered. You know,

609
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: Pat Ardoozy giving zero f's is pretty pretty awesome, especially

610
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 1: now as college football has seemingly gone corporate in many respects.

611
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 1: Paton Ardoozi does not care about any of that. He

612
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: does not care about Europeans. He is his own man,

613
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 1: and he is willing to tell you. And so if

614
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 1: nothing more, there is an entertainment quality. You know, if

615
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: we talk about the X and the X dabbo, which

616
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 1: is pr and media chops. Pat Nardouzi maybe gets a four,

617
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: but for different reasons than all the other fours. He's

618
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: just brutally honest, and that's fun. I agree, Dion Freeman,

619
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 1: Fritz Dorin, Ardouzi, Fernce. That is thirteen through eight in

620
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 1: I guess ascending order.

621
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have Nardozzi there because there there's typically something excellent,

622
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 2: even if it's just a side of the line, even

623
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 2: if it's just a unit, even if it's just like

624
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 2: running back tandem or a receiver tandem, or a weird

625
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 2: quarterback or a really weirdly successful secondary or weirdly shape

626
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 2: and but effective defensive tackle. I'm just in on the seial.

627
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 2: I think he won twenty games in twenty one and

628
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 2: twenty two that Nardozzi feels like at least you're swinging

629
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 2: for something. At least there's an identity there that can

630
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 2: find you success on both sides of the ball, even

631
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 2: if some of those transfers and offensive coordinators haven't worked out.

632
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 1: Now, let me throw this in here and then we

633
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: can move on. But if opportunity is one of the

634
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:15,800
Speaker 1: things that we are looking at as a grade these guys,

635
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 1: Pitt's opportunity over the next three years is something actually

636
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 1: that Nardoozi has spoken about indirectly, and he's spoken about

637
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:31,319
Speaker 1: it with respect to the portal. Mm hm. There is

638
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 1: an opportunity. I think cap on pit because of what's

639
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: gone down, or they lose players, lose some of their

640
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 1: best players of the programs. I think it makes it

641
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:47,399
Speaker 1: really hard to adapt. I think he struggled now for

642
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 1: a couple of seasons running trying to put an offense

643
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 1: together in the wake of can He Pickett. It hasn't

644
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 1: been the same. So I like paton Ardouzi. I think

645
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,040
Speaker 1: pat Arduozi's got a long track record for being a

646
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 1: pendable and a good coach. However, I do think there

647
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 1: is a moment of stumble right now for patn Ardoozy

648
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 1: in that pit program where I'm curious to see what

649
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 1: this season looks like.

650
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna say, wait till you feast your

651
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 2: eyes on one Nate Yarnell time.

652
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: I know, I know, Yarnie.

653
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, okay, here's here's the counter to that. If

654
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 2: here are deep pockets of Rubinstein, you skip Thatcher has

655
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,280
Speaker 2: done a great job rounding up all of the money

656
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 2: behind the scenes. I think you would like patn Ardoozy

657
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 2: more if he was the Steeler rather than the steele

658
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 2: ee in the Portal era.

659
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 1: Oh hell ya.

660
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 2: So I think Pitt is in a place financially where

661
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 2: they're not necessarily competing in that arena.

662
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 1: Yea.

663
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 2: And so if he were at a place and was

664
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 2: able to make peace with where the sport is and

665
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 2: will continue to be for at least the near term,

666
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 2: I think he would be successful.

667
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: All right, Who you got next? Mario Christobal at number seven?

668
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 1: That's low, yes and no. So you've got him below.

669
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: Matt Ruhle, Jonathan Smith, Josh Hypel, Brent vannibles Linkin Riley.

670
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: You've got him. You've got him down pretty far. I

671
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 1: do have him down pretty far. Nith Marcus Freeman. You

672
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 1: Freeman's hire on your list, right, Freeman's hire on my

673
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 1: list than Mario Christabal. Why would you want to hire

674
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 1: Freeman over Crystal Ball. Christ Ball has got a longer

675
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,800
Speaker 1: track record. You know a little bit more about him?

676
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 1: Or is that the reason why you don't want to

677
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 1: put him? Uh?

678
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 2: I skip and Mario go back? Okay, they go way back.

679
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 2: There's some bad blood.

680
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 1: There's baggage. Yeah, there's some baggage.

681
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 2: Mario Christa Ball is there because the only thing worse

682
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 2: than losing in stupid ways is losing in stupid ways

683
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 2: with clearly superior talent. And the fact that he recruits

684
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 2: as well as he does almost becomes a frustration point.

685
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 2: And if you can't get a lot out of quarterback

686
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 2: and you don't succeed late in games, and even when

687
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:07,439
Speaker 2: you do win, there is a dental aspect, an oral

688
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 2: surgery aspect to the experience. It's it's not something that

689
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 2: I want to spend eight nine million dollars on. And

690
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,280
Speaker 2: talent acquisition is everything. Miami has been strong recruiting. Miami

691
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 2: has been strong in the portal or decently strong to strong,

692
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 2: and there's a lot to like about the construction and

693
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 2: the direction of Miami's program. Miami's uniquely suited because of

694
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 2: Mario Crystabal's background with the school, the location in terms

695
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 2: of proximity to recruits in that state, and the opportunity

696
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 2: within the acc which I think there's a lot of.

697
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 2: As you've mentioned a couple times now, But if you're

698
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 2: telling me Mario Cristobal is who he's shown himself to

699
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 2: be these past few years, there will be stupid losses,

700
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,800
Speaker 2: there will be painful wins, there will be good recruiting,

701
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 2: but an obvious ceiling. And I think that obvious ceiling

702
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 2: is painful losses, painful wins, and I think that that

703
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 2: gets you to not a huge swing, I think gets

704
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 2: you to like nine wins.

705
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: Well, what you're describing is less with more a little bit. Yeah,

706
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 1: the opposite of some of the guys that we mentioned earlier.

707
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:24,879
Speaker 1: I've got him third on my list. I've got him

708
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 1: third because I think the opportunity is great. If Miami

709
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:33,839
Speaker 1: can get it self organized, the opportunity is great.

710
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 2: Do you think do you think Mario Christobal would do

711
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 2: better at Miszoo than Eli Drinkwitz. Do you think he

712
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:44,800
Speaker 2: would do better at Louisville than Jeff Brahm.

713
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm open to it, but I question it.

714
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 1: I think he would do better as a recruiter. I'm

715
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 1: not asking for that then both of those guys. By

716
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: the way, there's some fire happening in a good way.

717
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 1: Well fire, yeah, Eli, as put it together. Last season

718
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 1: is just ridiculous. Last season was a turning point. M hm.

719
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 1: And look, talent acquisition has always been Crystal Ball's thing,

720
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:24,879
Speaker 1: and he I think has proven dependable when it comes

721
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 1: to playing a very specific kind of football. Baked into

722
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 1: that equation are some of the dumb decisions, right, the

723
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: the non neal, that type of stuff. But it's it's

724
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: gorilla ball, right. He wants to beat you up, sure,

725
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 1: and you kind of know that you're going to get

726
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,240
Speaker 1: that from So I think I think there's a dependability

727
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:44,879
Speaker 1: with Crystal Ball that you know you're going to get.

728
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's all that adaptable, but I

729
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 1: think the build quality is high, and I think the

730
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 1: opportunity is high for crystal Ball. And so but despite

731
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 1: all the jokes that I know will make about him,

732
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 1: either to be mean or not to be mean, just

733
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 1: because we have to be honest. Either way, I still

734
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:06,280
Speaker 1: think he deserves a little bit more respect. Like would

735
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: you take Matt rule over Crystabal? Yes? Wow, look at you. Yeah.

736
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 2: I think Matt rule the places he's been, the improvement,

737
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 2: the turnarounds he's like. I think Mario christ Ball wasn't

738
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 2: handed a great roster at either Miami or Oregon, but

739
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 2: recruited really well, got Oregon to a winning place, but

740
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 2: not necessarily a sustainably winning place because of quarterback play

741
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 2: quarterback recruiting. I think he will get Miami to a

742
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:38,800
Speaker 2: winning place, but I don't think it's going to be

743
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 2: a sustainable winning place because of quarterback and quarterback recruiting,

744
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 2: quarterback development, play in quarterback recruiting. I think he is

745
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 2: who he is. Like, who do you have just ahead

746
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 2: of or just behind Mario Christobal Kirk ference?

747
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,879
Speaker 1: Behind Christobal? Well, no, I have so my thirteen again

748
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 1: through eight is dionn Freeman, Fritz Dorin Nardusian ference my

749
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:04,800
Speaker 1: but my third place guy is Mario and oh third

750
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 1: okay behind him, I have Josh Hypel and Jeff Brahm.

751
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 1: See I have Hypel one ahead of Mario Crystabal. Okay,

752
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,959
Speaker 1: so okay, you've got Crystal Ball down at seven, yes,

753
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: and then you've got Hypel at six. I feel like

754
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,439
Speaker 1: that's still a little bit low for Hypel, but we're

755
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 1: getting close to the top. So there is a lot

756
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 1: of running together here. Why why Hypel over Crystabal quarterback?

757
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 2: I think Hype is going to be able to continue

758
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:43,359
Speaker 2: to recruit. Tennessee's a weird, but it's weird geographically. There's

759
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 2: some talent in state. There's obviously a good amount of

760
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,720
Speaker 2: talent all around. A lot of money pouring into that program,

761
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 2: as we know. I think he's going like, you go

762
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 2: into California and you get a top tier, five star

763
00:41:56,200 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 2: caliber quarterback, you turn Hendon Hooker into Heisman caliber signal caller.

764
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 2: That just does it for me. That's just that gets

765
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 2: me going. You run an exciting brand of football, you recruit,

766
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,800
Speaker 2: you develop quarterbacks.

767
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 1: I'm just I.

768
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 2: Think the ceiling when you're able to do that is

769
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 2: more intriguing than finding right tackles and edge rushers, which

770
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 2: Mario Chris Wall has done. But I don't I'm not

771
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 2: fully sold on that strategy.

772
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: I'm higher on hypel right now, because I think there

773
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 1: have been some real upgrades, some by his own doing

774
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:40,839
Speaker 1: and some buy just the kind of atmospherics around him.

775
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 1: I think Nico in time is going to end up

776
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 1: being an upgrade over over Joe Milton. I feel fairly

777
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 1: confident in that. Yeah, yeah, and who knows, maybe even

778
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 1: overhanded Hooker by the time all is said and done.

779
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 1: He's an exciting prospect. Yep. So for that reason alone,

780
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 1: build quality is something that we look at. We know

781
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 1: he knows how to put an offense together, but if

782
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 1: you're adding in talent like Nico, I think that's a

783
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 1: pretty big deal and something that we need to consider.

784
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 1: Also the opportunity. You know, I'm not gonna sit here

785
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 1: and say the SEC is easier now because.

786
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 2: They're gonna get nine playoff bids. Well that's fourteen, but

787
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 2: and I think that's where I'm going with this, right Yeah,

788
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 2: the SEC. There is a bit of a power.

789
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 1: Vacuum now in the SEC with Saban leaving. I mean,

790
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 1: Kaitlyn de Bor is a good coach. I'm sure Alabama

791
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 1: is going to be fine. I don't expect that program

792
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,360
Speaker 1: to bottom out. I think in general, though, as we

793
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 1: look at the SEC, we we assume Georgia is the

794
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 1: top of the heap, but then after that you can

795
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: make a case for any great number of teams. It

796
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 1: really feels like it's wide open beyond that, and I

797
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 1: think Tennessee is also in that mix, maybe not to

798
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 1: win the conference, but certainly to get one of those

799
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 1: playoff bids. You got to figure there is more opportunity

800
00:43:56,680 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 1: now than ever before for a team like Tennessee. I've

801
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:04,240
Speaker 1: thrown Penn State in that conversation as well. These teams

802
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: that are very good but have not been able to

803
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 1: get over that mountaintop or to that mountain top. Tennessee

804
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 1: is one of them, and so I think the opportunity

805
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:17,320
Speaker 1: for hypel spikes a little bit moving forward. Right, That

806
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 1: aspect of Tennessee has been missing, just because it's been

807
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 1: so hard to get in there, over Georgia, over Alabama,

808
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 1: over whoever else. So now the opportunity is better than

809
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 1: ever before. And that's why I've got him at four. Yeah,

810
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 1: I have Tennessee as the top of the third tier

811
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 1: in the SEC.

812
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 2: Okay, I don't know who exactly they bundle with, but

813
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 2: Georgia is alone on the first tier. I would have

814
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 2: LSU and Bama and probably now Texas. Right, they're coming

815
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 2: off of a playoff berth like that counts for something. Sure,

816
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 2: I would have them on the second tier definitely, and

817
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 2: Tennessee a tier below that, and so I think there's

818
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 2: opportunity there. I think there's there's splashiness potential there. So

819
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:06,800
Speaker 2: I don't know that gets me going.

820
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 1: The skip thatcher. The way that I put my list together, Yeah,

821
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 1: my seven is Matt Rule, My six is Jonathan Smith,

822
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:18,840
Speaker 1: My five is Jeff Brahm, My four is Josh Hipel,

823
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 1: My three is Mario Christobal, and I've got I've got

824
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 1: Jonathan Smith and Matt Rule clumped together there, kind of

825
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 1: middle of the pack. As I said earlier, they're the buildings,

826
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 1: So why are you middling on them? As it relates

827
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 1: to the rest of this list. Both are obviously very

828
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 1: good coaches. Both have different track records. Matt Rule's track

829
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:43,320
Speaker 1: record as a college coach is that he is a builder.

830
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: He is a builder. The build quality on the Matt

831
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 1: Rule side of things is strong because he's proven he

832
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 1: can develop, he can develop a program, he can develop

833
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 1: players within that program. Yeah, that said, I don't know

834
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:59,399
Speaker 1: what the opportunity looks like over the next three years

835
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 1: for Nebraska. I think they're going to be better this year.

836
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 1: I hope they're going to be better this year. I

837
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:04,879
Speaker 1: don't know what they're going to look like three years

838
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 1: from now, because I think the Big Ten as a

839
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 1: whole got a lot harder by adding four teams from

840
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 1: the West, So the opportunity thing I think docks them

841
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 1: a little bit. The adaptability side of things for Matt Rule,

842
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 1: I think will be interesting because what's he going to

843
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: have to do this year? He's going to have to

844
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 1: start a freshman quarterback. That's the only way that they

845
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 1: got him to flip from Georgia. Yeah, so how will

846
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:31,439
Speaker 1: he adjust on the fly to what some of those

847
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:33,800
Speaker 1: obvious shortcomings are going to end up being. That'll be

848
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 1: an interesting watch. I've got Rule. I've got Rule seventh

849
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 1: on this list with potential to go a little bit higher,

850
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,360
Speaker 1: mainly because we know he's a program builder and the

851
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 1: opportunities there, but it's not as high as it could be.

852
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 1: And I think, frankly, Jonathan Smith falls into a very

853
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 1: similar category. I think Jonathan Smith has a better track

854
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:55,839
Speaker 1: record for doing not just the program build thing, but

855
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 1: more with less at Oregon State. Sure, he's proven very,

856
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 1: very adepted to do all of that. I think the

857
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:04,359
Speaker 1: opportunity at Michigan State is probably greater in the short

858
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 1: term than it is at Nebraska. And I think there's

859
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 1: a dependability to Jonathan Smith. That's that's really exciting. If

860
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: you're a Michigan State fan, you're probably thrilled that you

861
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 1: hired the guy. He's a great hire. Love it right.

862
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 1: I wouldn't put him above Jeff Brahm, Josh Hypel, Mario

863
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 1: Crystal Ball Brand, Vannable's Lincoln Riley. But I think if

864
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 1: we're having this conversation ranking these guys accordingly, that's where

865
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 1: i'd put him.

866
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 2: I put him in Mike Riley or Lincoln Riley. And

867
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 2: it's so if you want to bring Mike Riley into

868
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 2: this conversation, we absolutely can.

869
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 1: I I meant Lincoln Riley maybe I like I.

870
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:44,439
Speaker 2: I'm reasonably high on Matt Rule. But to be high

871
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 2: on Matt Rule is to say I'm high on his personality.

872
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 2: I'm high on his at least defensive coach track record,

873
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 2: I'm high on his defensive defensive player development, and you're

874
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 2: high on his second offense of coordinator higher at Nebraska,

875
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 2: and I'd go a step further. Yeah, you're high on

876
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 2: him staying in one place for more than three years. Yes,

877
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 2: you're high on continuity with Matt Rule. I think they're

878
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 2: going to make a change of offensive coordinator probably after

879
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 2: this year, if not in the middle of the year.

880
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:19,439
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't.

881
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 2: I don't think Marcus Ladderfield is going to be the

882
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 2: long term answer at offensive coordinator for Nebraska. That's my opinion.

883
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:28,279
Speaker 2: Happy to be wrong. I think there's an energy to

884
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:32,320
Speaker 2: Matt Rule. I think there is support and iil support

885
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 2: at Nebraska. That will be fun for the Huskers moving

886
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:40,359
Speaker 2: forward if there is some patients on offense. This is

887
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 2: this is more about the next three years than it

888
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:44,839
Speaker 2: is about what we know about Matt Rule.

889
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 1: We know that the.

890
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 2: Defense, defensive chops can be there, that development is going

891
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:50,840
Speaker 2: to be there, that he you know, he's like a

892
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:54,800
Speaker 2: he's a football coach. He's like a die hard, dirty

893
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 2: football coach. No, I don't know what that means. But

894
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 2: you're just your betting on it more than you are

895
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:05,880
Speaker 2: loving the recent track record. Because last year the Nebraska

896
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 2: offense and they went after the wrong guy in the

897
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:10,800
Speaker 2: portal at quarterback. It was it was a mess. It

898
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 2: was an absolute nightmare. I'm buying low just compared to

899
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 2: some of the other guys on this list, I see

900
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:18,879
Speaker 2: more upside with Matt Rule.

901
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: So hold on, Yeah, I know, compared to your list,

902
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. You may have said it. I don't

903
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 1: recall how high rule after hypel at five? How high

904
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 1: up do you have Jonathan Smith? I have Jonathan Smith

905
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:36,399
Speaker 1: on top of my list, No, at the top. Yeah, oh,

906
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 1: you did get the back tattoo. It's all relative. You

907
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 1: have a Jonathan Smith back tattoo? I do, I do it.

908
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 1: You've got him over Lincoln Riley and Brent Venables.

909
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 2: Yes, I like his hires. I like Aiden Chiles. I

910
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 2: kind of like the the match between Jonathan Smith and

911
00:49:56,680 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 2: Michigan State. Like Michigan State is a place the right

912
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 2: guy can win the best of D'Antonio one and one

913
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 2: in a very specific way with defense and went toe

914
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:10,800
Speaker 2: to toe with a team that was clearly more talented,

915
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 2: or toes to toes with Michigan and Ohio State has

916
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 2: made the playoff, nearly scored a point in the playoff.

917
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 2: Michigan State, place wise can be successful. There is something

918
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 2: underdoggie about Jonathan Smith. There is something about Oregon State

919
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 2: not the premiere program in the state. Michigan State not

920
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 2: the premiere program in the state, an afterthought down bad

921
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:37,359
Speaker 2: right before he arrived. Aiden Childs I think is going

922
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 2: to be very strong. I think the offensive line will

923
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 2: be in very capable hands. I think you can portal

924
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:46,359
Speaker 2: a bunch to Michigan State in the way that Meltucker did.

925
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:49,839
Speaker 2: But I think Jonathan Smith has a better eye for assistance.

926
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 2: I think he will have a better vision, and of

927
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 2: these guys, I think I can get the most balanced

928
00:50:56,239 --> 00:51:00,040
Speaker 2: success with Jonathan Smith. I'm not getting balanced success so

929
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 2: far with Lincoln Riley, and I don't think there is

930
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 2: hope for that. I'm pounding on Marcus Freeman to find

931
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:09,839
Speaker 2: his guy at quarterback and offensive coordinator in the same year.

932
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 1: I'm just not not yet. At Long Last, we have

933
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 1: peeled back enough layers of this Rubinstein onion, yeah, and

934
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 1: have revealed your true West Coast bias. Well, can I

935
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 1: tell you something? At Long Last, We've done it. At

936
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 1: Long Last, we have done it for ballerhood. We have

937
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 1: done it. We've gotten to the core there. You got

938
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:37,720
Speaker 1: to take swings tie. Okay, is this not a swing?

939
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:39,240
Speaker 1: This is a swing. We are swing.

940
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 2: Okay, it's not at all interesting, it's not at all

941
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 2: like to say, like Lincoln Riley's gonna get defense figured out. Okay,

942
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 2: that's a major swing. But at least we've seen evidence

943
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 2: that it could be tricky and difficult for Lincoln Riley

944
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 2: to do that, and like, how do you take that

945
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 2: seriously moving forward in the next three years that Lincoln

946
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 2: Riley is going to build a complete team Brent Venables

947
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 2: I have pretty high on my list, but we've now

948
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 2: seen a little bit of evidence. So this is a swing.

949
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:10,840
Speaker 2: I'm taking a big swing, tie, and we can return

950
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:12,359
Speaker 2: to this in three years. I don't know if we'll

951
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 2: be doing the show in three years. We might just

952
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 2: have sold the show. We're renting chairs and we're living

953
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 2: our best tame.

954
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 1: You're rent I'm not doing the rent You're not renting

955
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 1: chairs with me? No, will you be a pizza YouTuber

956
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 1: with me? I could do that? Okay, I could do that. Yeah,

957
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:28,840
Speaker 1: I could do that. I just think there's opportunity With

958
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 1: Jonathan Smith.

959
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 2: I am just I also like the point in his

960
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:35,839
Speaker 2: career that he's in the thing I don't like about

961
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 2: Jonathan Smith is I don't love Power five or in

962
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 2: this case, power two to Power five head coaching moves.

963
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 2: I think that's trickier than people just assume, Like I

964
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 2: think Brian Kelly's more of an exception. Like the move

965
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 2: from Power five head coach to Power five head coach,

966
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:55,360
Speaker 2: I think is very difficult. I think it's it's difficult

967
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 2: to build something impressive, which he did at Oregon State,

968
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:01,280
Speaker 2: and then start from square one at another major place.

969
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:04,360
Speaker 2: I like the energy coming as a coordinator. I like

970
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:06,799
Speaker 2: the energy somewhat coming as a G five head coach

971
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 2: that like, Okay, I'm going to a new place, but

972
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 2: that's not an element I love. Other than that, though,

973
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 2: I don't like less about the Jonathan Smith situation than

974
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 2: I do other places.

975
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:27,720
Speaker 1: I think you're wise to point out that power conference

976
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 1: to power conference coaching moves more often than not don't

977
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 1: work right. And there's a fair amount of data that

978
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 1: backs that up, which is crazy because we obsess over

979
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 1: these things, obsess over them year in and year out,

980
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:45,760
Speaker 1: which coaches might be jumping from one big school to another,

981
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:49,879
Speaker 1: and the proof is sort of in the pudding. Yeah,

982
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 1: I like Jonathan says, I just don't like him as

983
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 1: much as you do. I'll be real, I don't like

984
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 1: them as much as you do.

985
00:53:56,000 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 2: If you got divorced tomorrow, if you got divorced night

986
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 2: tonight and we're forced to remarry tomorrow, your head would

987
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:08,319
Speaker 2: be spinning. Wait, she doesn't like spaghetti. Oh okay, Like,

988
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 2: I just think there is something about the head coach

989
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 2: to head coach move on the power five level that like,

990
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 2: I'm just not crazy about. But I still like the

991
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 2: swing here. I still like the swing. I still think

992
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 2: you're getting a lot of Chris Peterson DNA here.

993
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:22,319
Speaker 1: I don't know.

994
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 2: All right, Okay, we can return to this in what

995
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 2: twenty twenty seven when you're in your early to mid fifties,

996
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 2: and you can call me wrong, call me out.

997
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:37,799
Speaker 1: So I've got Rule at seven, Smith at six. Okay.

998
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:43,760
Speaker 1: My top five is Jeff Bram. We talked about Jeff Brom,

999
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:48,359
Speaker 1: Josh Hipel talked about Hypel. Three is Merrey Chris Ball.

1000
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:51,359
Speaker 1: I talked about christ Ball already. Yeah. My top two,

1001
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:56,319
Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley is number one. Brand Vannabole's number two.

1002
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 2: You have two current major fan bases who don't like

1003
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:05,479
Speaker 2: Lincoln Riley I.

1004
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:09,359
Speaker 1: Have them side by side. Yeah, I do. Now this

1005
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 1: is well outside our top ten. This is outside the

1006
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 1: top ten, I understand. Bear in mind this is a

1007
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:20,879
Speaker 1: part two from an episode we did last week, so

1008
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 1: you can go and count up. However many coaches we

1009
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:25,760
Speaker 1: discussed last week, Lincoln will be next up on my list.

1010
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:30,400
Speaker 1: The reason that I've got him this high is because

1011
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 1: love of more Hatum. He has been dependable. Love of

1012
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:37,919
Speaker 1: more Hatum. There's a ton of opportunity at USC. Would

1013
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 1: you agree on both of those points. Yeah. The rub

1014
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 1: with Lincoln is adaptability and build quality, two things that

1015
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:51,800
Speaker 1: go hand in hand. Mm hmm, specifically for him with defense.

1016
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 1: The defense remains the flying the ointment. And we've said

1017
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 1: this how many years running about Lincoln Riley and his defenses. Yeah,

1018
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:03,800
Speaker 1: all they need to do is take a marginal step forward.

1019
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:07,320
Speaker 1: I remember when they brought Alex Grinch to own. It's

1020
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 1: a fun time.

1021
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, this was the only element of twenty twenty that

1022
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:15,360
Speaker 2: was a fun time. To be clear, was Oklahoma's defense exactly?

1023
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 2: And it was it was just get marginally better. If

1024
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 2: you get marginally better, the team as a whole is

1025
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:23,720
Speaker 2: going to sail much farther.

1026
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:27,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, just because they were really lacking on defense the

1027
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:30,959
Speaker 1: year prior. This is not something he's consistently been able

1028
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:34,439
Speaker 1: to solve. Now, maybe bringing in Dan Lynn, maybe there's

1029
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:37,240
Speaker 1: been some sort of renewed focus on getting defensive talent

1030
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 1: in there. I mean, we could probably make that its

1031
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:43,720
Speaker 1: own podcast altogether. But I think that aspect of Lincoln

1032
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:46,879
Speaker 1: Riley is what holds me back from putting him higher

1033
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 1: up on this list. We know he can coach offense,

1034
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:50,319
Speaker 1: we know guys are going to want to go play

1035
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 1: offense for Lincoln Riley, but the defensive side of the ball. Ultimately,

1036
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:57,439
Speaker 1: it's what he does on defense that will, I think,

1037
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 1: either enable him or prove him from getting to whatever

1038
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:06,840
Speaker 1: that next echelon is, right, whether it's getting to the playoff,

1039
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:10,799
Speaker 1: winning a playoff game, contending for a title. If you

1040
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 1: don't play defense, you're in for a world of hurt.

1041
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 1: Eventually it will catch up with you, just as it

1042
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 1: did this past season.

1043
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 2: In no way am I saying that Lincoln Riley will

1044
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:25,840
Speaker 2: again build a program that will allow fifty points in

1045
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 2: the first half of a playoff game. But on this list,

1046
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 2: there is but one man who has built a program

1047
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 2: that allowed fifty points. Maybe forty nine in the first

1048
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 2: half of a playoff game?

1049
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 1: Is he? Is he not? The line? Is he not?

1050
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 1: The only name on this list who has been to

1051
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 1: a playoff game?

1052
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 2: Though the only guy on this list, well, some guy

1053
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 2: like Brent Vennables has as a coordinator.

1054
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 1: As a head coach, though no as a head coach.

1055
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 1: As a head coach, the only one on this list

1056
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:59,080
Speaker 1: who has who has gone to a playoff game.

1057
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 2: Believe so, and many more of these guys will heading

1058
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 2: into the twelve team era. But your point stands.

1059
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 1: So I think that stands for something at his current place,

1060
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 1: not at his current place. No, not at his current place,

1061
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:15,920
Speaker 1: at his previous place. Yeah, I've got him by a

1062
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 1: nose ahead of Venables. I like Venables. I think Venables

1063
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 1: showed some adaptability last year. The defense. It was another

1064
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:26,479
Speaker 1: situation for Oklahoma where we're talking about the defense again

1065
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 1: because it was kind of a disaster in year one,

1066
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 1: and you know, like we saw it coming. We said,

1067
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 1: don't hire Ted Roof to run things, right, it didn't work.

1068
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 1: They got better. Well, he wasn't necessarily running things, but

1069
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 1: he was around. He was around. Okay, he was close enough.

1070
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 1: The you don't need him that close to your defense.

1071
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:48,280
Speaker 1: The fact that they got better last year, the fact

1072
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 1: that it feels like Oklahoma is trending up, the fact

1073
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 1: that recruiting isn't dropped off at all. No, for brand Venables,

1074
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 1: that all of that stuff is really really positive. We

1075
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 1: know it's a stable program. It is a good place

1076
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 1: to be hired and run your football program. You have

1077
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 1: a ton of resources, you have a good administration behind you.

1078
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 1: That seems to be a very very healthy situation. And

1079
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 1: we know they like brand Venables. He was there before.

1080
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 1: It was a no brainer to go out and hire

1081
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 1: him in the first place. So I think provided he

1082
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:24,560
Speaker 1: continues to be adaptable, provided he is able to put

1083
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 1: talent in the NFL, keep recruiting at a high level, yeah,

1084
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 1: all that stuff I think serves him really really well.

1085
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 1: The only knock that I have on him at this point,

1086
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 1: and this is the same knock that many other fans

1087
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 1: around the Big twelve have been sort of holding up

1088
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 1: in Oklahoma's face opportunity over the next three years. What

1089
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:49,000
Speaker 1: does the opportunity look like for Oklahoma now going into

1090
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 1: the Big or into the SEC from the Big twelve. Yep,

1091
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 1: knowing that the schedule is going to be dramatically harder.

1092
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:58,960
Speaker 1: What does that opportunity look like because they were a

1093
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 1: big fish and a small or pond before and now

1094
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 1: that situation is like completely reversed.

1095
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:07,840
Speaker 2: In twenty twenty four, they had the number eleven class

1096
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:11,600
Speaker 2: in the country recruiting class. They currently have a top

1097
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 2: ten class in twenty twenty three, number six class.

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Speaker 1: Roster wise, I.

1099
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 2: Don't think there is a drop off, a dramatic drop

1100
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 2: off between basically the non Georgia element of the SEC

1101
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:30,520
Speaker 2: in Oklahoma. So I'm not terribly concerned about the players

1102
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 2: on the field for Oklahoma. I questioned some assistant hires.

1103
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 2: I questioned some firepower on offense, who develops Hopefully it's

1104
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:39,680
Speaker 2: two or three guys this year, because that seems to

1105
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:42,680
Speaker 2: be a worthwhile knock. Like Dylan Gabriel was very good

1106
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 2: last year, but it was a lot of like a

1107
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:48,680
Speaker 2: lot of Drake stoops, not a lot of electricity from

1108
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:50,959
Speaker 2: a Jeff Levy offense compared to what it probably should

1109
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 2: have been, especially late in games. So I wonder about

1110
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 2: that with Brent Bevnnables, he's tying it to he's tying

1111
01:00:57,680 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 2: his career as a head coach to Jackson Arnold to me,

1112
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:03,520
Speaker 2: which is hopefully good, hopefully good for Brett Vinables and

1113
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 2: Jack Snartle tying their careers to each other. But and

1114
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:09,360
Speaker 2: I have them high. I have Bret Benables high on

1115
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:13,200
Speaker 2: this list for that talent acquisition. And I think the

1116
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:16,960
Speaker 2: opportunity is actually there, It's definitely there. I just like,

1117
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 2: this isn't the twenty fourteen SEC or whatever it was

1118
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:23,240
Speaker 2: when the Mississippi School like there was a ton like.

1119
01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:25,120
Speaker 2: I think there's opportunity for Oklahoma.

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01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 1: I mean, there's Texas. There's absolutely opportunity for all these teams.

1121
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:31,120
Speaker 1: I mean I mentioned it earlier in the SEC when

1122
01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:33,960
Speaker 1: I talked about Josh Hypel. I think the difference between

1123
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:37,640
Speaker 1: Tennessee and Oklahoma is that Oklahoma just got there. Sure

1124
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:39,680
Speaker 1: is there going to be any kind of culture shock

1125
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 1: as they go in, as they play a harder schedule?

1126
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:47,560
Speaker 1: I don't know. We won't know until we see that

1127
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:52,160
Speaker 1: unfold this season. That's my one hiccup. Will we know

1128
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:56,000
Speaker 1: by December? We should yeah, Okay, we should know. Yeah. Look,

1129
01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 1: Oklahoma just got there.

1130
01:01:57,720 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 2: But Kaylin de Bories just got there too, right, Mike

1131
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:03,320
Speaker 2: Alco just got there too, a lot of new faces

1132
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:05,440
Speaker 2: from outside the footprint, So I don't know.

1133
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:08,520
Speaker 1: So you need my top four now? Right in your

1134
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:10,960
Speaker 1: top four? Yeah, you already said you got Jonathan Smith

1135
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:15,000
Speaker 1: number one. Yeah, what's the rest of your top four?

1136
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:18,000
Speaker 1: Look like I'm going number four Marcus Freeman. And this

1137
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:22,160
Speaker 1: is another swing. You're buying low on Marcus Freeman. I'm

1138
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:24,040
Speaker 1: buying law on Marcus Freeman. I'm gonna tell you why

1139
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:28,400
Speaker 1: this isn't buying that low. I mean, it's really buying it.

1140
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:30,560
Speaker 2: I don't think he's super well regarded in terms of

1141
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:38,560
Speaker 2: national coaches in this moment. I think youth recruiting, and look,

1142
01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:41,600
Speaker 2: if I'm hiring to my generic pretty good school, I

1143
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:44,040
Speaker 2: still think he's going to recruit. It's easier to recruit

1144
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:46,000
Speaker 2: to Notre Dame than it is to a generic pretty

1145
01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:50,800
Speaker 2: good school because you're recruiting nationally. Obviously, he resonates with recruits.

1146
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:54,960
Speaker 2: They have brought in quarterbacks in the portal. After not

1147
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:58,040
Speaker 2: spending on an offensive coordinator. It appears they're very much

1148
01:02:58,080 --> 01:02:59,960
Speaker 2: willing to spend on an offensive coordinator.

1149
01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:02,680
Speaker 1: That has changed. Yeah, so.

1150
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:08,480
Speaker 2: I am banking on that because what in looking at

1151
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:12,080
Speaker 2: this list, in looking at Pat Nardoozy, Willie fritz Kirk

1152
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:15,840
Speaker 2: Farrence Dave Dorin, Like, there's a lot of older guys here,

1153
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:19,880
Speaker 2: and so I think there are instances where guys can

1154
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 2: work out the kinks two three years of taking some

1155
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:26,160
Speaker 2: lumps on the job and figuring it out. If I'm

1156
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:29,360
Speaker 2: actually comparing these guys over the next three years at

1157
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:34,320
Speaker 2: the school they're at, Notre Dame has a remarkable opportunity

1158
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:36,760
Speaker 2: to win a lot of games these next two or

1159
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:39,640
Speaker 2: three years. Now, we'll see what happens at quarterback. Let's

1160
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:42,280
Speaker 2: it's CJ. Carr is the quarterback of the future. Yeah,

1161
01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:45,720
Speaker 2: Riley Leonard this year, pending whatever his health issues are.

1162
01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:48,000
Speaker 2: We'll see what they can do in terms of building

1163
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:50,480
Speaker 2: out receiver, which has long been a question building out

1164
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:57,600
Speaker 2: quality receiver depth. But in looking forward, I think there's

1165
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:01,760
Speaker 2: really interesting upside because of the place, because of recruiting.

1166
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:04,920
Speaker 1: You. We'll get their schedule this year. I know the

1167
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:08,720
Speaker 1: schedule this year. Well, we've said it before. They need

1168
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:11,160
Speaker 1: to get in the playoff this year. Yeah, they should

1169
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:13,920
Speaker 1: be a playoff team this year. They really should. Unless something,

1170
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:15,840
Speaker 1: Unless something truly bottoms.

1171
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:18,160
Speaker 2: Out, they're not gonna have to play a conference championship

1172
01:04:18,200 --> 01:04:20,400
Speaker 2: game for at least the next few years. As far

1173
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:23,200
Speaker 2: as we know, another advantage to getting to a playoff.

1174
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:26,760
Speaker 1: They should be in the playoff this year. Yeah, they

1175
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:28,400
Speaker 1: really should. Who do you have at three?

1176
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:32,880
Speaker 2: Lincoln Riley at three? I have below bread Venables and

1177
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:36,640
Speaker 2: Jonathan Smith because of defense, Because if you offer me

1178
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:41,160
Speaker 2: something consistently catastrophic, I can't put you atop this like

1179
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:46,400
Speaker 2: next three year list. If there's no end in sight

1180
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:51,600
Speaker 2: to the open door policy of the USC front seven,

1181
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:54,240
Speaker 2: I can't get that high on you and put you

1182
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:56,880
Speaker 2: number one. I still think he's very good. I still

1183
01:04:56,880 --> 01:04:59,760
Speaker 2: think there's every reason in the world for quality quarterbacks

1184
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:03,880
Speaker 2: to say, teach me, Coach Riley, teach me. Yeah, I'd

1185
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:07,120
Speaker 2: love to see more receivers coming to USC. I'd love

1186
01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:09,440
Speaker 2: to see a better offensive line. And that was kind

1187
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:11,800
Speaker 2: of the secret sauce at Oklahoma was how balanced they

1188
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:16,280
Speaker 2: were when they had samajp Ryan, when they had what

1189
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:20,040
Speaker 2: is it Rodney Anderson, Like they had good to really

1190
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:22,520
Speaker 2: really good running backs Joe Mixon and now I don't

1191
01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:25,240
Speaker 2: know if I'm spanning both the Stoops Riley and Riley era,

1192
01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:29,120
Speaker 2: but the balance the offensive line development was great. USC

1193
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:32,640
Speaker 2: doesn't have that right now. So just in terms of

1194
01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:34,920
Speaker 2: a base at USC for the next three years.

1195
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:40,280
Speaker 1: I'm not there. Talent acquisitions too important to me. And

1196
01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:42,240
Speaker 1: I don't think he's I don't think he's met the

1197
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:46,520
Speaker 1: mark and Venables has the nod over Lincoln. Yeah, because

1198
01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:47,640
Speaker 1: of defense.

1199
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Speaker 2: Because of both defense and like, what is the promise

1200
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:55,280
Speaker 2: of USC moving forward at quarterback? I think they're I mean,

1201
01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:57,640
Speaker 2: they have a top quarterback in the twenty twenty five class,

1202
01:05:58,040 --> 01:06:00,560
Speaker 2: but like it's either going to be Jade My or

1203
01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:04,240
Speaker 2: Miller Moss this year, Brent be Like, I think there's

1204
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:07,240
Speaker 2: there's more to be excited about with Jackson Arnold. I

1205
01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:09,960
Speaker 2: think there's more to be excited about building a complete

1206
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:13,440
Speaker 2: wrecking ball at Oklahoma than there is to build a

1207
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:16,080
Speaker 2: complete wrecking ball at USC. I think there's more juice

1208
01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:20,240
Speaker 2: with Oklahoma than there is the USC right now. And

1209
01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:23,720
Speaker 2: I think Lincoln Riley and Brent Venables are responsible for

1210
01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:27,200
Speaker 2: the juice or lack thereof. One thing we didn't mention,

1211
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:28,880
Speaker 2: and I don't I want to be seduced.

1212
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:32,880
Speaker 1: Skip wants to be seduced. One thing we didn't mention. Yeah,

1213
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:37,000
Speaker 1: that that maybe I should have since I was considerably

1214
01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:39,960
Speaker 1: higher on Lincoln than you were. Mm hmm. If there

1215
01:06:40,040 --> 01:06:44,520
Speaker 1: is a culture shock element to Brent vannibles Oklahoma joining

1216
01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:48,440
Speaker 1: the SEC. Is there any culture shock of Lincoln Riley

1217
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:54,400
Speaker 1: joining the Big Ten with the travel, right? I mean,

1218
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:58,200
Speaker 1: it's it's an entirely new slate of teams. Sure, I'm

1219
01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:04,760
Speaker 1: I'm not one who believes too intently that the Big

1220
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:11,280
Speaker 1: Ten plays some style of football and either USC is

1221
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:14,000
Speaker 1: going to need to adjust to it or it's going

1222
01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:17,920
Speaker 1: to need to adjust to us. See, I think everybody

1223
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:20,720
Speaker 1: is playing all sorts of different styles, and I don't

1224
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:23,840
Speaker 1: think it's so woven into the culture of the conference

1225
01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:26,280
Speaker 1: that anyone's going to have to change too dramatically. I

1226
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:30,440
Speaker 1: don't really believe that. But it is an x factor,

1227
01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:35,040
Speaker 1: playing a different schedule, more travel, that type of thing. Sure,

1228
01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:38,360
Speaker 1: don't know if we could ever quantify it, but something

1229
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:40,440
Speaker 1: to keep in mind if we're looking at opportunity over

1230
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:41,560
Speaker 1: the next three years. Yeah.

1231
01:07:41,600 --> 01:07:46,200
Speaker 2: Look if PAC twelve teams be at Oregon, Utah, UCLA

1232
01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:52,120
Speaker 2: were able to stomp USC consistently, I think the recent

1233
01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:54,520
Speaker 2: PAC twelve offenses have been more impressive than what the

1234
01:07:54,520 --> 01:07:59,840
Speaker 2: Big Ten has offered up Like of the the pre

1235
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:04,520
Speaker 2: existing Big Ten teams, like how many great offenses have

1236
01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:07,400
Speaker 2: we seen recently. We've seen Ohio State, We've seen Michigan.

1237
01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:11,280
Speaker 2: We haven't seen Penn State in a minute. Penn State's

1238
01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:13,120
Speaker 2: been a minute. There's not a lot of promise moving

1239
01:08:13,160 --> 01:08:17,040
Speaker 2: forward for an explosive Penn State offense right now? So

1240
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:20,640
Speaker 2: ken was it? K Tron Allen and Nick Singleton? Can

1241
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:21,800
Speaker 2: they run all over us?

1242
01:08:21,960 --> 01:08:24,439
Speaker 1: See any of the Drew Holler highlights from the spring game.

1243
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:27,160
Speaker 1: I assume he's gotten better, but I don't know. I

1244
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:30,880
Speaker 1: didn't see him highlight reel. Wasn't great? That's okay? Was

1245
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:35,040
Speaker 1: he got Abdul Carter bearing down? Can you play quarterback? Yeah?

1246
01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:37,280
Speaker 1: Wasn't great. Wasn't great. We'll see. But you're right, You're

1247
01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:37,680
Speaker 1: right on the.

1248
01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:39,120
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying is like, if you have

1249
01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:43,200
Speaker 2: an okay offensive line and borderline bruising running backs, you

1250
01:08:43,200 --> 01:08:46,080
Speaker 2: will succeed against USC's defense. And that's what Penn State

1251
01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:51,880
Speaker 2: kind of has. K Tron Allen, Nick Singleton. So I

1252
01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:53,360
Speaker 2: don't think it's going to be all that different. I

1253
01:08:53,360 --> 01:08:56,600
Speaker 2: think USC is going to win games. I think the

1254
01:08:56,640 --> 01:08:59,360
Speaker 2: defense will hold it back, at least in the short term.

1255
01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:03,880
Speaker 2: I don't don't think they have the superstars at receiver

1256
01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:06,200
Speaker 2: like they did even a couple of years ago, and

1257
01:09:06,240 --> 01:09:09,400
Speaker 2: like Oklahoma had with Lincoln Riley. But I still think

1258
01:09:09,400 --> 01:09:12,080
Speaker 2: they're likely in a better place because of what a

1259
01:09:12,160 --> 01:09:16,240
Speaker 2: Lincoln Riley offensive ceiling can can show the.

1260
01:09:16,160 --> 01:09:21,240
Speaker 1: World for ballerhood. Let us know where we're right, where

1261
01:09:21,240 --> 01:09:23,839
Speaker 1: we're wrong, Who you agree more with, who you agree

1262
01:09:24,320 --> 01:09:27,280
Speaker 1: least with. Let us I think my theme was swings though, right,

1263
01:09:27,400 --> 01:09:30,240
Speaker 1: your theme was swings? Yeah? Yeah, let us know in

1264
01:09:30,320 --> 01:09:32,800
Speaker 1: the comments. Let us know via email soliverbal at gmail

1265
01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:35,400
Speaker 1: dot com. Let us know on social media, all throughout

1266
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:38,639
Speaker 1: social media, what we're right about, what we're wrong about. Again,

1267
01:09:38,720 --> 01:09:43,639
Speaker 1: my top thirteen just of these coaches that we discussed today. Now, overall,

1268
01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:49,080
Speaker 1: my top thirteen was Lincoln Riley, Brand Venables, Mayor, Christ

1269
01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:53,160
Speaker 1: Baul one through three, Josh Hipel, Jeff Brahm, Jonathan Smith,

1270
01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:57,360
Speaker 1: Matt Ruhle, That's what four through seven, and then to

1271
01:09:57,439 --> 01:09:59,799
Speaker 1: round things out, I had Kirk Farrens, Pat and Ardoozy,

1272
01:09:59,840 --> 01:10:03,360
Speaker 1: d Dorian, Willie Fritz, Marcus Freeman, and Dion Sanders. What

1273
01:10:03,439 --> 01:10:04,080
Speaker 1: was your top.

1274
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:11,640
Speaker 2: Thirteen in ascending order? Dion, Dorian Farrence, Brahm, Fritz. So

1275
01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:15,679
Speaker 2: this is thirteen to one, Pat Nardozi eight, Mario Cristobal seven,

1276
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:19,759
Speaker 2: Josh Hypel six, Matt Rule five, Marcus Freeman four, Lincoln

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Speaker 2: Riley three, Bread Venables two Jonathan Smith.

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Speaker 1: One at Jonathan Smith tattoo. You can't get that out easily.

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Speaker 1: I know it's laser beam. I'm told it hurts.

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Speaker 2: The good thing about picking Jonathan Smith number one is

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Speaker 2: you can say I'm wrong, but you have no idea.

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Speaker 1: What he's gonna do. No, we don't. Nobody does.

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Speaker 2: So that's where I am. And so yes, maybe I'm

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Speaker 2: preposterously high on Jonathan Smith, but I've seen evidence elsewhere

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Speaker 2: I'm probably. I mean, I'm higher on Marcus Freeman than

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Speaker 2: you are, too.

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Speaker 1: Way higher on Freeman than I am.

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Speaker 2: I'm lower on Dave Dorn and Jeff Brohm than you are. Okay,

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Speaker 2: but otherwise I think we're recently aligned.

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Speaker 2: Oh and if you violently disagreed with both of us

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Speaker 2: and our reasoning, you should also follow and subscribe because

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Speaker 2: it's only up from here. It's only up to me

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Speaker 2: up from here. So here is the deal. Perfect segue.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're recording this later in the day on Monday,

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Speaker 1: April the fifteenth. It's going to drop for the public. Well,

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Speaker 1: it's going to drop for patreon folks right away, but

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Speaker 1: it's going to drop for the public right and early

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Speaker 1: Tuesday morning as people are reading the description of this

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Speaker 1: podcast on their podcasting app of choice, as you are

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Speaker 1: listening to it, the transfer portal is going to open. Yes,

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Speaker 1: And I'm a little fearful. It's going to be like

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Speaker 1: the scene and Ghostbusters where they just shut the grid

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Speaker 1: off and all the ghosts are out again, all right,

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Speaker 1: and it's just total chaos. I don't think it's going

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Speaker 1: to be quite as frenetic as it was during the

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Speaker 1: first transfer window, but those could be famous.

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Speaker 2: Last words, is there is there like a Notre Dame

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Speaker 2: player that Notre Dame people think are like, oh man,

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Speaker 2: I really hope this guy doesn't leave. Are there surprises

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Speaker 2: in store?

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Speaker 1: I think in general, and this isn't specific to Notre Dame.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to speak to Notre Dame about this,

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Speaker 1: but you and I read a considerable amount of reputable reporters,

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Speaker 1: message board rumors, things nature dark, whatever. We read a

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Speaker 1: fair amount about that stuff. M Most of the indications

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Speaker 1: are that it's going to be quite active portal window again. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I'm sure we won't have quite the same number

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Speaker 1: as we did the last time the portal opened, But

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Speaker 1: I think there stands a pretty good chance that we're

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Speaker 1: going to see some impact names that are moving or

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Speaker 1: at least throwing their hat in the ring. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean there's some big quarterback stuff, you know, like

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Speaker 2: what happens with the Alabama battle, what happens with the

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Speaker 2: Ohio State battle, Like guys are going to dip.

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Speaker 1: It will be very interesting to see what happens from

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Speaker 1: this point forward. But the portal opens on Tuesday. Depending

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Speaker 1: on what goes down in the portal, that may be

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Speaker 1: the topic for our next episode. We also have the

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Speaker 1: NFL Draft coming up. We've got a little spin on

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Speaker 1: that that we're going to put out there. We've also

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Speaker 1: got spring football, just in general spring football that that

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Speaker 1: has just started to ratchet up. There were a bunch

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Speaker 1: of teams that played this past weekend scrimmages, practices, their

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Speaker 1: own formats, you name it. Everybody kind of has their

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Speaker 1: own deal. But that started up this weekend. We promise

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Speaker 1: we'll have a full recap or a running recap, depending

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Speaker 1: on if there are any key injuries or who knows,

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Speaker 1: what happens with the portal. It's all sort of interconnected.

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Speaker 1: So as you said, it is sort of up from here.

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Speaker 1: We're going to see a nice little boost in the

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Speaker 1: college football world as things go down in the portal,

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Speaker 1: as we start talking about spring football. There's going to

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Speaker 1: be our normal roull in May, because there always is

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Speaker 1: in May. But then as we build into June and

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Speaker 1: July and certainly August September, that's when the rubber starts

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Speaker 1: meeting the road. So kind of only up from here.

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Speaker 1: Right now, are in the bottom of the off season.

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Speaker 2: And you're doing like a solo election special too come later, right, No,

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Speaker 2: there is something not in the cards.

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Speaker 1: There is nothing I would like less than doing a

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Speaker 1: solo election special.

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Speaker 2: So all right, this is tie, and yeah, I have

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Speaker 2: about thirty seven solid thoughts about the coming election.

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Speaker 1: I am good. I am good. Somebody else can do

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Speaker 1: that episode if we find one, we'll throw out the

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Speaker 1: link on the show notes. But sure, with all that

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Speaker 1: being said, we've got our lists. Let us know about

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Speaker 1: Yours are Baker's Dozen of coach rankings based loosely on

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Speaker 1: our ex DABO scale that we trotted out last year.

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Speaker 2: Kind of a random grouping, right. Doesn't mean Matt Campbell

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Speaker 2: is worse than all those guys. Doesn't mean Gus Malsan

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Speaker 2: or Mike Alco. We just threw together a Baker's does.

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Speaker 1: For that guy over there, my good friend Dan Rubinstein,

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Speaker 1: From myself, Ty hildon Brand, thanks again for downloading, listening,

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Speaker 1: supporting the solid verbal. We will talk to you all

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Speaker 1: soon you meantime, stay solid peace