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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Let's go. Are you

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Speaker 1: Ready for a break? Yeah? And so much for that.

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Speaker 1: It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton.

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Speaker 1: It is Wednesday, March third, twenty twenty one, Season sixteen,

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Speaker 1: episode number ninety nine. Welcome to the latest edition of

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Speaker 1: The Break. We are live from the SWBC Morga Studios

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Speaker 1: at the Star. We are presented by Geico, and for

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Speaker 1: second week in a row, we got our whole crew here,

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Speaker 1: so getting used to this. Hopefully this show this week

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Speaker 1: it's as good as it was last week because it

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Speaker 1: was a really, really good show. It's good to have

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Speaker 1: everybody in studio. Today. We're going to continue our defensive review.

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Speaker 1: We talked about the defensive line last week, and this

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Speaker 1: week we're going to dive into probably the most interesting

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Speaker 1: position on the Cowboys right now with the linebackers. And

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Speaker 1: we got a lot of questions. We got to talk

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Speaker 1: about a lot of things we got to try to

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Speaker 1: fix for this team. Hopefully this is a show where

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Speaker 1: Jerry and Steven and Will are listening in, because my

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Speaker 1: expectation is that you guys are going to give them

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Speaker 1: lots of great advice on how they need to handle

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Speaker 1: this position. And it was hopefully not because I don't

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Speaker 1: have much good to say about That's why they need

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Speaker 1: to be That's why we want them to hear what

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Speaker 1: you guys have to say about this linebacker crew. Right,

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Speaker 1: I'm just laughing thinking about my relationship with Will McClay

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Speaker 1: it's kind of a It's like, if you don't know

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Speaker 1: But I'm not sure. I'm not sure that's true. All right,

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Speaker 1: take some questions So if you have questions, you can

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Speaker 1: hit us up. Just tag at Cowboys Break on Twitter.

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Speaker 1: Amber can get those. But I think Amber has some

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Speaker 1: questions already. Starry getting calls now that we're back in studio.

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Speaker 1: the show today. That's like saying, like at the pit stop,

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Speaker 1: let's see if we can fix this, this and this. Yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: We can figure it out, all right. Um, let's talk

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Speaker 1: wouldn't line him up in the slot and play him

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Speaker 1: against Ceedee Lamb. But if he has the ability, that's

425
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Speaker 1: just tells you a lot about his athletics. He's he's

426
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Speaker 1: he's impressive. I don't think I'm sad a nickname joke,

427
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Speaker 1: thank you with that, because that's what it would be

428
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Speaker 1: or Jay okay whatever, Okay, I mean I'm sad because

429
00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:45,919
Speaker 1: are you the only one that loves him? Like that

430
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Speaker 1: or a lot of a lot of people love him.

431
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Speaker 1: A lot of people love him, But I just I

432
00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:51,320
Speaker 1: don't know that he would be a top ten picks.

433
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Speaker 1: They're trying to sneak him at forty four now that

434
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Speaker 1: no way. Is he one of those guys that if

435
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Speaker 1: you trade down like that's a great pick in sixteen

436
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Speaker 1: seventeen eighteen. Yes, I'm starting with David and I talked

437
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Speaker 1: about this yesterday. I'm starting to like that idea. If

438
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Speaker 1: it's there, if it's a trade down, and if you

439
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Speaker 1: can get a good price for it, there's gonna be

440
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Speaker 1: a good player there for you. You know, at fifteen,

441
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Speaker 1: sixteen seventeen, if you can add a second or third

442
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Speaker 1: round pick, I would be I think I would do

443
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Speaker 1: that less and less. You're in a seed lamp situation

444
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Speaker 1: where somebody you thought was gone at four or five

445
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Speaker 1: tackle is not gone. Guy, if he gets to yet ten,

446
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Speaker 1: I don't know if you pass that up because he's

447
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Speaker 1: he's considered to be a much better prospect than the

448
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Speaker 1: tenth pick in the draft. Right to go back to

449
00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,600
Speaker 1: the Parsons thing, I mean that just goes into a

450
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Speaker 1: debate about you know, what's the value of a linebacker

451
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Speaker 1: the same thing as running back. Right is like, you know,

452
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Speaker 1: if you can find these guys and there's there's a

453
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Speaker 1: million other guys. Jabril Cox, who is an LSU guy,

454
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Speaker 1: but he's outstanding, I love, I know, I know then

455
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Speaker 1: I hate that even bring it up. Um, there's a

456
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Speaker 1: bunch of other guys, Dylan Moses out of Alabama, Like,

457
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Speaker 1: there's a bunch that you could find later on. And

458
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Speaker 1: so that's the point is like, really, you know, if

459
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Speaker 1: all he does is tackle and kind of cover, we're

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Speaker 1: really gonna draft him in the top ten. When a

461
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Speaker 1: cornerback who can lock down the right side of our

462
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,399
Speaker 1: field is there for the next you know, we got

463
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Speaker 1: we got the right side of our field taking care

464
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Speaker 1: of for five years. If we draft Patrick's or Tan

465
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Speaker 1: are we really gonna draft a line That's the logic. Yeah,

466
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Speaker 1: And so that's why I don't think it would happen

467
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 1: harder to find those guys for sure. All right, let's

468
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469
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Speaker 1: a little bit more about LV and that fifth year option.

470
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471
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472
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522
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523
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Speaker 1: you didn't realize we're there? No, it's March. I got

524
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Speaker 1: y'all don't have a team at She was like, pretty deece.

525
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 1: I mean, is someone gonna take over Brian's role of

526
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Speaker 1: printing out the brackets and Nick does that? I don't

527
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Speaker 1: don't do that. You don't haven't done that in a

528
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Speaker 1: long time. Can you not do it this year? Yeah?

529
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Speaker 1: At all? Yeah, Well, I'm not saying we put money on.

530
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Speaker 1: I'm just saying we do it just for fun, which

531
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,680
Speaker 1: is funny because Brian would ask me, oh, who's you

532
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Speaker 1: going for ery G. I'm like, oh, let me see

533
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Speaker 1: which name sounds better, because of course I don't know

534
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Speaker 1: any single when when it comes down to the stories though,

535
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Speaker 1: for brought us, I mean, everybody's got about ten. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: One of my favorites of all time was the year

537
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Speaker 1: we did dating Story. I'm not I'm not gonna say

538
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Speaker 1: it at all, and just the fact, well you can't

539
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Speaker 1: bring it up. You don't tell the whole story, the

540
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 1: whole story, but just it's just the simple fact of

541
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Speaker 1: I'm not doing that stupid stuff. You guys can do

542
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Speaker 1: that if you want. I'm not doing that. So the tournament, Brian,

543
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 1: he's like, nah, it's okay, give me a sheep, give

544
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 1: me keep fine, I'll do it whatever. First game we

545
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Speaker 1: go eat. First game, Ohio State is playing Dayton, and

546
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Speaker 1: he picks Dayton because you know he probably picked him

547
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Speaker 1: an eighty seven and anyway, and then they los to

548
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Speaker 1: Ohio State, and I mean, he was going off. You

549
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Speaker 1: would have thought somebody that he was Yeah, he was,

550
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 1: just he wasn't he didn't care at first, but now

551
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,639
Speaker 1: that he's in, he's all in. Oh yeah, all in. Yeah,

552
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 1: he was wishing bad things. It was the whole guy. Yeah,

553
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 1: don't tell the whole Oh yeah, don't tell these Yeah

554
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 1: that's madness, that's what happens. Yeah, all right, let's jump

555
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 1: back in. Let's talk some more about this defensive REVI.

556
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 1: You were talking about the linebacker position. AG. I wanted

557
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Speaker 1: to get your opinion on this fifth year option on

558
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Speaker 1: Layton vander esh If you had to make the decision

559
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 1: right now, do you take a fifth year option on him,

560
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Speaker 1: or do you just accept the fact that he's going

561
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 1: to be a free agent next year. I think I would.

562
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 1: I would trust the medical staff and see what their

563
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 1: analysis on him is and if they feel confident that

564
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,400
Speaker 1: he is healthy and the way he always speaks about

565
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 1: and we know listening to him, how committed he is,

566
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 1: and he's a hard working guy and he's going to

567
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,400
Speaker 1: go back in there and grind and try to get

568
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Speaker 1: better and all that. And his issue obviously has been

569
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 1: the health and the injury stuff. But like Dave mentioned,

570
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 1: any none of these injuries seem to be major, And

571
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 1: I don't believe the whole neck thing pop back Club

572
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: last year that we heard, so at least I would

573
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Speaker 1: expect him to be okay, and I would just go

574
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Speaker 1: for it. I mean, he's I just it sucked to

575
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Speaker 1: waste that and kind of see him go away that

576
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: soon after you drafted him in the first round and

577
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Speaker 1: you spend that money on him or you know, that

578
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: pick on him and not really get that the return

579
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 1: that you were wanting and expecting. So I would go

580
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: for it. But at the same time, I definitely think

581
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 1: they need to add more talent there, and Dave would know,

582
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 1: and like he talked about the draft and all the

583
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 1: that's not my area of expertise, but whether it's the

584
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 1: draft or some a veteran guy that can come in

585
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 1: and if they take over Jalen's role, I mean, Jalen

586
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: can watch from the bench. I know he's getting a

587
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 1: lot of money, but he can watch from over there,

588
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 1: get upset and then maybe next time he comes in

589
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 1: on a rotation or something he can maybe porm better.

590
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 1: I want on the coaching Steff so bad. You know,

591
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 1: it's funny. Just last segments, she was like, I'm gonna

592
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 1: try to be politically correct. This segment is like, oh,

593
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 1: put him on the bench. He can watch from the

594
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 1: bench the good view over there. The harsh truth is that,

595
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 1: like politics are a big part of it. Yeah, and

596
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 1: you know so aritocracy, like no, okay whatever, Like politics

597
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 1: are a big part of it, but having a g

598
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Speaker 1: on the sideline just be like if you want to

599
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 1: go in, make a play next time and like because

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00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: you're like no, but nobody staff is saying that to

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Speaker 1: these guys, and at least not on a regular basis. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that would be awesome, Nick, would you would you take

603
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 1: the fifth year option? Uh? No, I'm not giving him

604
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Speaker 1: a fifth year option because I think and if I

605
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Speaker 1: can do this, I think I'm signing him to a

606
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Speaker 1: long term deal. Let's try to wipe out that fifth

607
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: year option. Yeah, you're going all in, Like, yeah, go

608
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 1: ahead and give him a long term she said, But

609
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 1: you think you gotta pay him big money right now?

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00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know. That's the thing I think

611
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 1: you can get. I think they're at this crossroads where

612
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, what, help us, help you, Jerry McGuire.

613
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 1: But that's that's kind of what it is. I mean,

614
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 1: it'll be one of those situations. Let's let's don't have

615
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 1: to worry about this. Let's don't put all this on

616
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: your fourth or fifth year, and all we know you

617
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 1: can play. I like what she said about you know,

618
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 1: we know he's gonna work card, he's gonna grind, he's

619
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 1: gonna do what it takes, he's gonna study, he's gonna

620
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: be there. And it's the same with Shaun Lee. Shaun

621
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 1: Lee didn't ever want to get hurt. You know, he

622
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 1: did everything he could not to get hurt and all that,

623
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: but sometimes stuff like that just happened. He's still I

624
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 1: don't think you'd change the story at all. I mean,

625
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: I think you'd keep Sean Lee. He was good for you,

626
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 1: he wasn't as great because of injuries. I think the

627
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: same for Layton. I'm gonna start that clock. I'm gonna

628
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 1: try to get a four or five year deal, try

629
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Speaker 1: to spread it out a little bit. I will say this,

630
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: and I doubt the timing of this is a coincidence,

631
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 1: but the option deadline is always a week or two

632
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 1: after the draft, which I you know, that's probably to

633
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: allow teams to see how they can improve their roster

634
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Speaker 1: before they have to make that decision. So you could

635
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 1: hold off. And you know, if you come out of

636
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: the draft with a badass, you know, if you use

637
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: that tenth pick, then may say that's definitely even if

638
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 1: you get I pulled I pulled up. You know, I

639
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: was blanking on the names Dylan Moses, chat Serad out

640
00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 1: of North Carolina as a guy that I like a

641
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 1: lot bar and Browning out of Ohio state, my lsu

642
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: Guy cox Um. I mean, if you get a guy

643
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 1: with one of these big picks, you can say, all right, Layton,

644
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 1: you know, we'll see what happens. It's not going to

645
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 1: pick it up, and you know, maybe we'll have to

646
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 1: eat our words if you have a great year. But

647
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 1: and maybe that if he does, maybe they're willing to

648
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 1: assign him in that long term deal at that point,

649
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 1: although it'll be market price. You can maybe they're willing

650
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 1: to do that. Could franchise tag him if you ever

651
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: get something done or by the way, or by the

652
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 1: way at that point, as you said earlier, at that

653
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: point Jalen's deal is you can depart from that, and

654
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: maybe you decide we depart from the Jalen deal and

655
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 1: we do a long term deal with with Layton, Like

656
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: there there are options that you have basically if you

657
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 1: just point for a year, if you get that guy

658
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: in the draft or in free agency, right yeah, I

659
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 1: think I think this year the best way to go

660
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: would probably be third or fourth round on a linebacker.

661
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: I hope that you get an Anthony Hitchens. Hope you

662
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 1: get a Damien Wilson. That Wilson didn't develop as quickly

663
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 1: as Hitchens, but somebody like that. That North Carolina guy

664
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 1: intrigues me a little bit. I get more intrigued a

665
00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 1: little bit with the players that I know don't have

666
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: the badasses upfront. You know, the Alabama linebackers. I mean

667
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 1: it's hit and miss something with them because you know

668
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 1: that they're getting to play pretty clean football. But who's

669
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 1: who's holding down the fort At North Carolina? You know now,

670
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: LSU ls what they've got two or three the best

671
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 1: linebackers in the league right now? Right Yeah, yeah, I

672
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: mean they're not wrong, but you gotta be careful with that.

673
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 1: Just like we don't say, oh, don't dismiss the Michigan

674
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: defensive ent because Taco didn't pan out, you know, and

675
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 1: don't compare not to name linebackers. So it's it's not

676
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: don't think that either way. But I just know sometimes

677
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 1: schemes like this scheme is translating to the NFL. And

678
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: I know these fast linebackers that are coming out of LSU,

679
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: I mean they're balling like they got some guys in

680
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: the league right now. You look at and you like,

681
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 1: if I can get that right, give me that. I'll

682
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 1: take that. I don't think Jabril Cox is Devin White,

683
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 1: but he's a pretty good player. Well, way to bring

684
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: us back to earth on that starts. I was starting

685
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: to say, little's go get Well, it doesn't sound like

686
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 1: the league thinks so, either because they second or third round,

687
00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: but I think he's I mean, we don't have to.

688
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,479
Speaker 1: It's this is not the Jabril Cox hour. But he

689
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 1: was All American at North Dakota State one like three

690
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 1: national titles, started from the get and he was like, oh,

691
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 1: I want to see, like can I can I do

692
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 1: this at the next level. Transferred to LSU and was

693
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 1: the only good player otherwise atrocious defense. That means he's

694
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: still developed. Like everything about that story, yeah me too.

695
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: He was literally like I've done everything I can do

696
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,280
Speaker 1: at this level. Let's see how I handle the SEC.

697
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 1: And LSU was terrible last year, but he played great.

698
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,359
Speaker 1: I like him. Yeah, I like that story too. All right, Um,

699
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: here's the next question I got for you guys. Is

700
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: linebacker position where Dallas needs and I'm going to stress

701
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:43,320
Speaker 1: the word needs to draft early or invest the quality

702
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 1: veteran starter from free agency. Let's start first with the amber. Uh.

703
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 1: That's a tough question just because I mean, and we've

704
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,760
Speaker 1: talked about it in previous weeks, just how many needs

705
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 1: the Cowboys actually have, especially on defense. So if you

706
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: find the guy that you really have a high evaluation on,

707
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 1: I would say, go for it. It's not gonna hurt you.

708
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 1: I know. We just talked about those two veteran guys

709
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,760
Speaker 1: Jalen and Layton and all that. But at the same time,

710
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 1: I just go back to watching plays from last year

711
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 1: and it's just like, that's a really important position on

712
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: the field, Like you need some help a linebacker. That's

713
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: a spot where you can see how much better the

714
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:35,399
Speaker 1: Cowboys could have been had they had productive plays from

715
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 1: their linebacker group. So to me, I do see the

716
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: position as a very high need. But then again, depending

717
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:48,320
Speaker 1: on the talent and what positions, I wouldn't be opposed to. Okay,

718
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: whether it's a cornerback or a safety or a defensive lineman.

719
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 1: I wouldn't get mad up at it either if you

720
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,839
Speaker 1: got someone that's a lot more talented than a linebacker.

721
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I do see the position

722
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: at a very high need right now, all right, Nick, Yeah,

723
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's a definite, definite need because of

724
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:10,399
Speaker 1: kind of what we said when we started the show.

725
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 1: Do you have guys or do you have nothing? You

726
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 1: know that wide receiver, you know you've got players. You

727
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 1: know that, you know what you've got at other positions too,

728
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 1: Linebackers one where it could be good, but it could

729
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: be nothing. So yeah, I think, but you need to

730
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 1: this year because of those question marks. I think you

731
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: drafted them. What's early, second or third round? I'm getting

732
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 1: one in the first two days. I think I have

733
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: to have a linebacker by you know, by Friday night,

734
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 1: you know, for the first three rounds, and that's that's

735
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 1: four picks though right maybe we don't know yet, more

736
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 1: than likely it could be and then you know, if

737
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 1: we if you trade back or something like that, and

738
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: in the first round. Um, yeah, I just I just

739
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 1: think you have to get a linebacker to to add

740
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 1: some depth. I mean, let's not forget I know it's

741
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,320
Speaker 1: down the list, but let's not forget that Joe Thomas

742
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 1: and just In March are also unrestricted free agents. They

743
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 1: may not come back this year. So if anything, you

744
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 1: need that fourth linebacker for some depth purposes. So I'm

745
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,879
Speaker 1: drafting a guy relatively early that's ready to play. Dave.

746
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 1: This conversation kind of makes me mad because like we've

747
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 1: become we're like the We're like good cop, bad cop.

748
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: We're the bad cops because like we know, you know,

749
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 1: every year and I understand it, fans want the team

750
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 1: to like spend in free agency and we wind up

751
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,320
Speaker 1: like they're not going to do that. Stop wasting your breath.

752
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 1: And I like, I don't like saying that. I want, like,

753
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 1: think about all the content we could create about let's

754
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: the five linebackers that could make the biggest flash for

755
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 1: the cow Like that would be great. Not gonna do that,

756
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: I mean, why why why would we? Why should we? Fun?

757
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 1: They're not gonna do it, tampering them if they're free agents?

758
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 1: When would we do it now? They're not? Actually it

759
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 1: might be tampering, like they are technically under cot all right,

760
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: Oh the point be every year I feel like a

761
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 1: jerk for pooh pooing on everybody's free agent dreams. But

762
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 1: that's you know, what's the You know, Lavante David, I'd

763
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 1: love to have him on this team. Cowboy's gonna pay

764
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,399
Speaker 1: thirteen million dollars a year for him? No, kJ, right,

765
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: of course you would. He's a great player. kJ right.

766
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 1: You could probably even get him for cheaper. You can

767
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 1: get him for cheaper, I think, yeah, but much is

768
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 1: it cheap enough? And that's the point, like the cowboys

769
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 1: typically scrape the bottom of the barrel, like is he

770
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 1: not your Gerald McCoy kind of guy where you could

771
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: get him in that kind of deal. Maybe did you

772
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 1: think JJ Watt was gonna get sixteen million a year?

773
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: Yeah you did? I actually did? Okay, well, because JJ

774
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: Watts still jj Watt. There's the brand, and you pay

775
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:39,479
Speaker 1: for the brand. At this point in guy's career, who's

776
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 1: going to the Hall of Fame. The point my point is, yeah,

777
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,800
Speaker 1: I mean maybe, but kJ. All it takes is somebody

778
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 1: with a little more money to be like, hey, kJ,

779
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: we'll pay you eight million a year, and all of

780
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: a sudden, the Cowboys are out, Like that's how that

781
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 1: goes and so it's hard for me to get excited

782
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 1: about this because they are I mean, right and and

783
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: David are the big ones. But there are some other

784
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,040
Speaker 1: guys that are available that could improve this team. I

785
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 1: just don't think the Cowboys will sign them. So I'm

786
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,280
Speaker 1: with y'all. I would I think they need a draft

787
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 1: one by Friday Night draft. Yeah, I mean that's rounds.

788
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: That's rounds one through three. One of those, you're probably

789
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,320
Speaker 1: gonna have four picks around the top one hundred. I

790
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 1: think one of them should be Yeah. I mean that

791
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 1: that's not even a reach. I mean that I think

792
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 1: in your top four picks. I mean, you know, I

793
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 1: don't think the Cowboys should trade up at all this year.

794
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: I really don't. I mean I if you can get

795
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:32,720
Speaker 1: nine ten picks, pick them all because you're gonna need

796
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 1: you need to hit on these guys. You need a

797
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: sixth round pick to win on Anthony Brown, a guy

798
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 1: like that. You need that player because Anthony Brown is

799
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: still on your team, he's playing, he got a second contract.

800
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 1: I mean, you're not gonna win on all of them.

801
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,320
Speaker 1: You could pick Rico Gathers, you know, you could do

802
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 1: something like that. I'm what I'm saying is is, though,

803
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 1: don't be trading you know your ten picks to get

804
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 1: six or seven, No, you need ten. Yeah, you need

805
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,760
Speaker 1: to hit these. And that's why I love the idea

806
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,359
Speaker 1: of maybe trading back. You know, in fact of the

807
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 1: matter is if you look at the areas of the

808
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 1: team and you put them in priority order of areas

809
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 1: where you think they need help the most, there's no

810
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 1: doubt in my mind that linebackers in the top four.

811
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: So you're right by the end of Friday night. Unless

812
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 1: you went out in free agency and you got yourself

813
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 1: a guy, then by the end of Friday night, you

814
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 1: absolutely need to have a guy that you drafted who

815
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 1: is at the linebacker. Well, you know those three that

816
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 1: three letter word that could change all of it and

817
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: all of your You're we're not talking about him today,

818
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 1: saying just saying that changes everything. Three letter I thought

819
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 1: you said three words, and I was like, Dak deal,

820
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,439
Speaker 1: Like what that deal done? What is it? Rain to code?

821
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 1: Always get that confusing rain Da coda Prescott. So that's

822
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: your three words. Yeah, but that's where it all starts

823
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 1: and ends. I think for the Cowboys, as far as

824
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 1: you want to start talking about the roster. Yeah, you're not.

825
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 1: This is this Uh, it's gonna be our last show

826
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 1: without him signed. God, I hope so possible. You know

827
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,839
Speaker 1: something I don't know, but the deadline's coming up March. Well,

828
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 1: but that's not really then that's that's the tag that

829
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 1: the real deadline is obviously, what is it July? When

830
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 1: they can when they have to stop? Yeah, you know, negotiating.

831
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 1: You can't negotiate anymore. Like I disagree, you ain't gonna

832
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 1: get you ain't gonna get almost be cuss, you ain't

833
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 1: gonna get anything done if you don't. If you if

834
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:18,839
Speaker 1: he's sitting on your tag at thirty that you can't

835
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 1: even do that right now, like right now that they

836
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 1: couldn't do the tag. They don't have to move maneuver

837
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 1: some things around. But I have no I'll put it

838
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: to you like this, if you want to give me

839
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 1: a if you start talking about percentage chance, I think

840
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,879
Speaker 1: there's personally, just again what I believe. I think there's

841
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: probably a twenty percent chance they get a deal done

842
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 1: before they have to tag him. I also think on

843
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 1: the flip side of that, there's an eighty eighty five

844
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 1: percent chance they get a deal done before they get

845
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 1: to that deadline in the summer. So to me, I

846
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 1: just again, I don't have much faith that in a

847
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: week now that this is gonna get done. I just don't.

848
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 1: I don't. And I know these things that they can

849
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: move quickly. Once you get going, you can move quickly

850
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 1: on them. Just don't have faith in that. If that happens,

851
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 1: then I don't see Jalen Smith on the team. I don't.

852
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 1: I know, I know, Okay, we're back to lineback. Well,

853
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:09,879
Speaker 1: that's a hell of a way to bring it back. Wait,

854
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 1: if Dak gets tagged, you mean yeah, yeah, I mean

855
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 1: June first, these guys, you're gonna two guys you have

856
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,879
Speaker 1: to put as June first, June first cuts. Get him

857
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 1: off the roster now and then you know, but you know,

858
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: June first, that's when that's when it'll hit the cap.

859
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 1: So I mean I I him and who else? Who's

860
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 1: another June first? Possibility? It don't stay seventy seven. No,

861
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,720
Speaker 1: he's a pole. No it's possile. No, it's not possible.

862
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: It's possible. You ain't got no options, Like, what are

863
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 1: you gonna do if you say we're gonna say bye

864
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:44,919
Speaker 1: by to him, like, what are you gonna do Northwestern tackle? Look,

865
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,800
Speaker 1: they don't have a backup tackle right now, let alone

866
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 1: another starter. We saw how that went last year. That

867
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 1: is not an option. That's why I just, that's why

868
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 1: I'm just I can't understand why they're not gonna try

869
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: to get this done both sides, because if I'm Dak,

870
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, I want to have some players this year.

871
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 1: I want to try to help. I mean, this is

872
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 1: this year could be almost a wash if they have

873
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 1: to play on thirty eight million, And I mean I

874
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, I'm sure we compete good. Sorry

875
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 1: to go back to what you mentioned about the cut,

876
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 1: Like on Jyle, what happens with that money? Like it

877
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 1: does he get distributed? As far as that, you don't

878
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:23,839
Speaker 1: get that hit full when you hit right there, when

879
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:27,240
Speaker 1: you June first a guy, you just spread the money

880
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 1: that you're losing. It spreads out over two years. So

881
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 1: if if you cut him, I just had it pulled up.

882
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 1: Cut him now, if you cut him, if you cut

883
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: him today, just and it's just straight out cut, it's

884
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:39,280
Speaker 1: like twenty four million or something crazy like that. Um,

885
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 1: it's a nine million. I'm sorry. I got I got

886
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 1: Zeke and Jalen confused, I'm I'm writing I'm writing about

887
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: Oh yes, I'm writing about Zeke right now. So that's

888
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: a huge hit. Um, if you June first, Jalen, uh,

889
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 1: he would only hit your cap for three million this

890
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:58,399
Speaker 1: year and seven next year, and you would Yeah, if

891
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: you want It's it's not hard to do it. If

892
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 1: you want to do it, it's just a matter of again,

893
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: how confident are they that he can do something? But

894
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 1: to think about that, like, I don't know that I

895
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 1: can't come up with another name off the top of

896
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 1: my head of a guy that I would say is

897
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 1: another guy like Jalen where it doesn't completely debilitate you

898
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 1: to cut them, but you can cut them for enough

899
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 1: that helps you be able to get Dak on the tag. Yeah,

900
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 1: right right, there's not. But then but then that changes

901
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 1: your you know when we said, got to get a

902
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 1: guy in the first two you know, two nights of

903
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 1: the draft, first three rounds. Um, that changes things if

904
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: you cut him, you know, now you're now you're sitting

905
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 1: here with Layton Vanders who was banged up last year.

906
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 1: And then well you're also begging Sean hey Man, just

907
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 1: In case, can you just hang out for a minute,

908
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 1: don't you know. I'm just saying, like, you gotta convince him,

909
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 1: like I don't leave town, just hang out for a minute.

910
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 1: We may need, we may need. He's probably on the

911
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 1: West Coast because I know he goes there in the offseason,

912
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 1: and he's just give me a call. Yeah back, okay,

913
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 1: I'll meet yeah, persolutely perfect. I just want to have

914
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: him on the line in case I need. But the

915
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 1: other I mean, we've seen this too, is if they

916
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 1: have to, they can restructure so many of these is true.

917
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 1: I know not everybody loves that, but that's that's the

918
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 1: world you're living in right now. Until they figure something out.

919
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:15,879
Speaker 1: All we're gonna take our final break when we come back.

920
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: We got a couple more questions on linebacker. We're gonna

921
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:19,839
Speaker 1: try to get to a phone call because Chris tells

922
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: us that we can make a phone call. Now. I'm

923
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 1: gonna see if I can remember this phone number. I

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00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:26,280
Speaker 1: think it is one eight eight eight eight five five

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Speaker 1: two two ninety seven. Is that correct, Chris? He's not

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Speaker 1: listening all right, eight d eight eight eight eight eight

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929
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932
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Speaker 1: At the start, we're presented by Geico and we're talking

975
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 1: about linebackers. We do have a phone caller on the

976
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Speaker 1: on the line. We're going to get to him in

977
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 1: just a second. I did have a couple questions real

978
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 1: quick that I wanted to hit about linebacker, and we

979
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Speaker 1: don't have to go too far in depth. But first

980
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 1: question is, if you could only resign one of these guys,

981
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 1: who would you resign? Joe Thomas or Justin March Dave,

982
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,399
Speaker 1: Let's start with you, Joe Thomas. I like Justin March

983
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 1: a lot, But Joe, Joe has started and can't start,

984
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 1: and does a decent job when he's asked to do so,

985
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 1: and he's also just as valuable to the special teams.

986
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:48,919
Speaker 1: He's also very valuable special teams. Yeah, he's I don't

987
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 1: know how old he is, but he's he's not. He's

988
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 1: probably closer to the end of his career than the beginning,

989
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 1: so I assume he wouldn't be that expensive. Sorry, Amber,

990
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 1: I agree, and because of he has implanted more in

991
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 1: my memory than justin So Joe Thomas, I mean he's

992
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 1: a guy that I can easily remember more that he's

993
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 1: done more for the team. So yeah, like they've said,

994
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 1: if it's a good deal, affordable, why not same. I mean,

995
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 1: he can play, and he can start. And with this,

996
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 1: with those guys on the front, you have to have

997
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 1: that fourth linebacker has to have starting experience. So and

998
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 1: plus he's a big time hitter, he really does. I mean,

999
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 1: he brings the wood on. So I'd like having him

1000
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 1: out there. And so no Thomas all the way. Yeah,

1001
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 1: I think that's the key is to me, he's a starter.

1002
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,399
Speaker 1: He's a starter that you get as a backup. So

1003
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 1: I think from that standpoint, I would I would love

1004
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 1: for them to resign him. Final question, Um, what have

1005
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 1: you seen or heard regarding the development of the two

1006
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 1: younger linebackers that we've talked a little bit on this show.

1007
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 1: They didn't play a ton last year, but they did

1008
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 1: play some. You got Luke Gifford, and you got Francis

1009
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,799
Speaker 1: Bernard Nicholet's start with you. Um, you know, I think

1010
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 1: I think Bernard's issue is gonna be speed. You know,

1011
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 1: I just don't think he's got that speed. But you know,

1012
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 1: he makes some plays. He made some Uh, He's a

1013
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 1: guy I'd love to see in the preseason. I would love,

1014
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 1: you know, preseason games for him. I think he will

1015
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 1: be a guy that kind of he might just be

1016
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 1: a gamer. Uh, didn't do a whole lot in the

1017
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 1: in the in the games where he played some on

1018
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:23,319
Speaker 1: special teams. But I think he's a guy that could

1019
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 1: really develop in the preseason. And then I'll let them

1020
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 1: talk about Gifford if no stuff, but I mean I'll

1021
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 1: just take him. I think Bernard's a guy that we

1022
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:36,800
Speaker 1: saw some good things. I'd like to see him play more. Um. Well, look, Gifford,

1023
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 1: he's a guy that two years ago, I know a

1024
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 1: lot of people talked about. Yeah, I loved him. He

1025
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 1: has a perfect linebacker mold that fits Shawn Lee and

1026
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:49,800
Speaker 1: Layton and Jayleen type of body. So he just looked

1027
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 1: right in the group. As far as that, you know,

1028
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Speaker 1: the injuries, I forgot what kind of injuries he had.

1029
00:50:55,600 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 1: It was like leg issues apension too, so yeah, a suspension. Yeah,

1030
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:03,439
Speaker 1: so that affected him and it's just unfortunate. Even last year,

1031
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 1: I think he was injured during training camp a bit.

1032
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 1: Was it was it because I remember he wasn't on

1033
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 1: the field that much. I forgot for whatever reason. But

1034
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 1: the point is we haven't seen much from him, and

1035
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:20,360
Speaker 1: it's unfortunate. And then with Bernard, he's a guy that

1036
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 1: last year caught a lot of people's attention as well.

1037
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:26,840
Speaker 1: He's not necessarily he doesn't necessarily have that mold of

1038
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:29,840
Speaker 1: the linebacker and the body and the height and the

1039
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:33,720
Speaker 1: you know, bulky body. But he's a guy that although

1040
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:36,840
Speaker 1: his size, he was still making plays on the field

1041
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 1: and he I mean it wasn't because of his hair

1042
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:41,360
Speaker 1: that you were noticing him on the field. He was

1043
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 1: out there doing stuff. So I was excited about him

1044
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 1: as well. But then again, once the season got started,

1045
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 1: we didn't really get a chance to see much of them,

1046
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 1: and then whenever we did, it wasn't necessarily anything impressive.

1047
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 1: So I think it's more of like Nick said, preseason,

1048
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 1: hopefully we get to see some of that and then

1049
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 1: just them allowing giving them more opportunities, which that's the

1050
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 1: only way we're really going to get to see how

1051
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 1: they perform on the field. I just don't think they've

1052
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 1: had enough chances for us to really get a good

1053
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:16,400
Speaker 1: evaluation on our end. I'm sure they do have a

1054
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 1: better evaluation, but from us watching from the outside, it's

1055
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 1: just kind of hard to tell right now. Francis Bernard

1056
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 1: actually played in thirteen games last year. I didn't I

1057
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 1: special teams, Yeah, yeah, but I would I still I

1058
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 1: would have guessed like eight maybe, So I just you know,

1059
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:35,360
Speaker 1: it's it's like a pipeline. I look at it. As

1060
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 1: you know, we just talked about March and Thomas. You

1061
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:41,320
Speaker 1: probably bring one of those guys back, and you probably

1062
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 1: don't bring the other one. And like, it doesn't really

1063
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 1: matter to me that much at the end of the day,

1064
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 1: which I prefer Joe Thomas, but if they prefer Justin,

1065
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:50,919
Speaker 1: that's fine. But you're not going to resign every bit

1066
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 1: player to a second contract. And that's what like, that's

1067
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 1: what Gifford and Francis Bernard are here for. They're going

1068
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 1: to step in and be your special teams gadget guy

1069
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 1: who could maybe step in and is maybe a developmental

1070
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 1: player if they go on to you know, if they

1071
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: catch somebody's eye and the coaches, you know, dan Quinn's like,

1072
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:10,319
Speaker 1: holy crap, like we got something here that's awesome, and

1073
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 1: that happens sometimes, but you can't count on it. And

1074
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 1: that's so you know, I'm not gonna let it either

1075
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 1: of these guys stop me from drafting a linebacker highly

1076
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:20,720
Speaker 1: because that's you know, that's where you find those guys

1077
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 1: and bring these guys to training camp. They'll have a

1078
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 1: role on special teams. They can round out your depth chart,

1079
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 1: and if you get anything more from them, that's great,

1080
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 1: but you know, I don't put super high expectations on

1081
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 1: guys like that. All right, for the first time in

1082
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 1: a year, we're about to go to the phone lines.

1083
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 1: We got a phone call from a fan who has

1084
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:45,359
Speaker 1: a question for the crew. Steve from Virginia. Steve, what up? Wow,

1085
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:48,479
Speaker 1: I'm the first caller. That's pretty impressive. Yeah, yeah, glad

1086
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 1: to have you back right to hear it from that, right,

1087
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 1: A lot of pressure exactly. I'm steel sec. I watch

1088
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 1: yourls listen to your show. I actually watch it, you know,

1089
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 1: servery day. Thank you. Um My question is I don't

1090
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 1: understand why there's no talk about transition tagging with back

1091
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:08,240
Speaker 1: so you can find out. Everybody argues about what Dack's

1092
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 1: worth this and that whatever, put him out there and say,

1093
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:13,720
Speaker 1: guess what, go find out what's you're worth. You still

1094
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:16,839
Speaker 1: have a right for first refusal and if somebody taking

1095
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 1: you on page you get two number one. I don't

1096
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 1: I don't understand what's Well, you know you're right. Technically

1097
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 1: you are, you're right. We had a mail bad question

1098
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:28,840
Speaker 1: about something similar on this too, about letting you know,

1099
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 1: lett him go and see, but it's they want to

1100
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:35,360
Speaker 1: sign him and I think he wants to sign here too,

1101
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 1: So it's it's you know, it's it's just like any relationship.

1102
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 1: I mean, what if you said, hey, go out and

1103
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 1: see if you can get somebody better. If you can

1104
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 1: get someone better, then let's see. Let me wait, let

1105
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 1: me weigh my options. What if that was a real relationship,

1106
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 1: that's not gonna go well, obviously not that I'm the

1107
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:53,439
Speaker 1: one to give it advice, but I'm just saying, yeah,

1108
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:56,319
Speaker 1: I think that that's not gonna that's not gonna hurt

1109
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 1: that that's gonna hurt. Too many feelings on both sides.

1110
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:00,839
Speaker 1: If you start doing that, he's the guy that you

1111
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 1: say is then goes sign and build do a transition

1112
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 1: tag to see if you can get a better deal. Well,

1113
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:08,319
Speaker 1: I'm this is quibbling a little bit. It's it's you're

1114
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 1: actually talking about the non exclusive franchise tag because the

1115
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:14,759
Speaker 1: transition tag, the transition tag doesn't offer you compensation if

1116
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 1: you lose the player. Yeah, but there's there's two. There's

1117
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 1: two franchise tags, exclusive and non exclusive. So the non

1118
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 1: exclusive would allow Dak to talk to whoever he wants.

1119
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 1: Somebody can make him an offer. You're right, cowboys have

1120
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 1: the right at first fusel if they if they don't

1121
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:30,319
Speaker 1: feel like matching, they get two first round picks. And

1122
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 1: I can see the logic, honestly, Like, I get why

1123
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 1: people feel that way. I guess my point is if

1124
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 1: you do that, you're losing Dak. In my opinion, I mean,

1125
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:42,880
Speaker 1: because there's somebody with more money who needs a quarterback.

1126
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's that's going to happen in my opinion.

1127
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm wrong, but I think you lose him that way.

1128
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:52,880
Speaker 1: And yes, two first round picks is that's nice, but

1129
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 1: is it enough to offset losing a franchise quarterback, like

1130
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:59,319
Speaker 1: the is that enough? And some people think so, I

1131
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 1: think not. I think the Cowboys probably think not because

1132
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:05,480
Speaker 1: what are those picks? Like who who is? Uh? Like,

1133
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 1: who's who's offering dak? I mean if it's the San

1134
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 1: Francisco forty nine ers, so you're gonna get picked twelve

1135
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 1: and then their pick next year? Is that good enough? Is?

1136
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:15,719
Speaker 1: I mean? But if he's but if he's franchise, you're

1137
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 1: gonna get not gonna get anything. Everybody agrees that if

1138
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 1: they franchise him, he's walking next year. You can't pay

1139
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:24,400
Speaker 1: him nothing. And I mean when the other complaint that

1140
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 1: God is every time the players do this, the players scream,

1141
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:29,319
Speaker 1: it's a business. It's a business. I gotta take care

1142
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 1: of my family. It's a business. Well, if it's a

1143
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 1: business for one side, it's a business for the other

1144
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 1: side too. And you can't worry about hurting feelings you

1145
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:37,799
Speaker 1: got you gotta run this business. And I think that's

1146
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 1: what's hurt to Cay a Cowboys plan. I fifty four

1147
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 1: years old and a Cowboys fan my whole life, and

1148
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:44,839
Speaker 1: and it's just like wow, the decisions they make some time,

1149
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 1: And I know that that you know everybody, Yeah, I don't.

1150
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 1: I don't want to pickle him. The guy too bad.

1151
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:53,839
Speaker 1: But my brothers know there's a guy named Crawford out

1152
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:56,760
Speaker 1: there and he's got he's got naked pictures of somebody.

1153
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 1: I don't know how in the world he's been on

1154
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:01,759
Speaker 1: the field this moment. Oh Tyrone, Yeah, Hey, here's here's

1155
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 1: the other thing. I think you gotta remember. We appreciate

1156
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 1: the call, We appreciate the call. But here's here's the

1157
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:07,920
Speaker 1: other thing. I think we got to remember here. And

1158
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 1: I want to say, this is the situation that happened

1159
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 1: with Steve Hutchinson where he was with I want to

1160
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 1: say Seattle and then went and he was a non

1161
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 1: exclusive that went to visit Minnesota, and Minnesota basically put

1162
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 1: a contract out there. And I want to say the

1163
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 1: term they use was poison bill. But essentially what happens

1164
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 1: is the team says, Okay, the money could be comparable.

1165
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 1: It could be something that the other team says, yeah,

1166
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 1: we'll match that. Here's the problem. The contract could say

1167
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 1: something like you have to play three games a total

1168
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:42,680
Speaker 1: of at least three games in the in the state

1169
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 1: of Minnesota every year. Right, there's no way Seattle can

1170
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 1: agree to that, Minnesota can agree to that. And so

1171
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 1: what happens is essentially, I think you have to The

1172
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 1: evaluation you got to make here as to whether you

1173
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 1: do an exclusive versus a non exclusive free agent tender

1174
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 1: is essentially, do you want the player? Because if you

1175
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 1: want the player, you better not do non exclusive Because

1176
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 1: what happens if let's let's play this out. What happens

1177
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 1: if Washington says to him, hey, man, we we'd like

1178
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 1: to have you, and and we'll pay you a little

1179
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 1: bit more, maybe it's a dollar more, but we're also

1180
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 1: going to put a poison pill in there that the

1181
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 1: Cowboys can't match. And if Dad want if Dak wants

1182
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 1: to stick it to the Cowboys, which could be the case,

1183
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:23,919
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he does, but if if he looks

1184
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:25,600
Speaker 1: at it like, hey, I take the same money to

1185
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 1: go play somewhere else because I just feel like this

1186
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 1: negotiations and the going anywhere, then you leave it up

1187
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 1: to everybody else to make the decision whether you're going

1188
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 1: to get that player. The player the other team like

1189
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 1: they can do things that basically say you cannot match this.

1190
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 1: There's no way for you to match this and essentially

1191
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 1: the player's gone. So if you don't want to lose

1192
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 1: the player, you gotta do exclusive pills. Did they They

1193
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:49,040
Speaker 1: might have? But how but how do you how do

1194
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:51,600
Speaker 1: you ensure that? Because there are certain things that like,

1195
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 1: there are ways to do it right. That one, that

1196
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 1: one one is just a blatant one, But there are

1197
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 1: other things you can do that makes it very tough

1198
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 1: for a team to they're able to match. There's other like,

1199
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:03,360
Speaker 1: I mean, with all due respect, like I don't necessarily

1200
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 1: care about that. The thing for me is um and

1201
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:09,440
Speaker 1: I think I think he makes a really interesting point,

1202
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 1: like I don't know, I don't know if the Cowboys

1203
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 1: are always as ruthless as they need to be because

1204
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 1: the star and the image of it. I mean, it's

1205
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 1: it's different here, you know, well, I mean, you know

1206
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 1: you're playing on you don't think the Cowboys front office

1207
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:24,120
Speaker 1: as ruthless as it needs to be, not always always.

1208
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 1: I mean, like Travis Frederick, it's well, okay, I'm just

1209
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:32,920
Speaker 1: saying no, no, I'm saying they could go get his

1210
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:35,640
Speaker 1: money if they wanted to. Oh, oh, I don't even

1211
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 1: get and I'm not thinking about the money. I thought

1212
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 1: you were talking my dis from standpoint of players, keep

1213
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 1: them or don't keep them, well, I think I think

1214
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 1: having obviously you need great players to win, but like

1215
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 1: having stars, like it matters, Michael Irvin is Michael Irvin

1216
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 1: and Emmett Smith and like that matters to this organization,

1217
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 1: and there's value in that for whatever it's worth. But

1218
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:55,920
Speaker 1: maybe they should have played hardball with Zeke. Maybe they

1219
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 1: should have said, you're a running back, be here or

1220
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:00,200
Speaker 1: you don't get your money. We're not paying you two

1221
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 1: years ahead of time. Like but and having said that,

1222
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 1: and people have said that sense and maybe it's fair.

1223
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 1: Maybe they could have said, you sit out at all

1224
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:08,720
Speaker 1: year if you want to, but we're not paying you

1225
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 1: two years ahead of time to be a running back. Sorry,

1226
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 1: I don't know if quarterback is the spot to play

1227
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 1: that game. I don't know if the most important position

1228
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 1: in the game for a guy that's done everything right

1229
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 1: is the right spot, not only because you need dak

1230
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:23,240
Speaker 1: to win, but also the message that it sends to

1231
01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:25,480
Speaker 1: the rest of your locker room. And that's a big one,

1232
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:28,040
Speaker 1: I think. And then on top of it, and we're

1233
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 1: purely in the realm of fantasy here, but if you

1234
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:34,200
Speaker 1: want to play hardball and deal Dak put the exclusive

1235
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 1: tag on him, and then you decide the price. Screw

1236
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:40,880
Speaker 1: two first round picks. You say you're under the exclusive tag.

1237
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 1: If you want to go somewhere else, we will find

1238
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:47,240
Speaker 1: us a deal and we'll get it done. But we're

1239
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 1: determining the price, not the league rules, and we're determining

1240
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 1: where you go. So don't bring us Washington. Yeah, we're

1241
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 1: not doing Washington, right. So, yeah, you're right, you could

1242
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:57,240
Speaker 1: still get the benefits of having an exclusive while you

1243
01:00:57,240 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 1: have our exclusive. Right. There are ways, And like I said, yeah,

1244
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 1: the Cowboys should probably be a little bit better at

1245
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 1: playing hardball because I mean with the last few of

1246
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 1: these deals, it's been a lot of talk and then

1247
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:11,520
Speaker 1: the player gets what he wants. I mean, Zeke did,

1248
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 1: DeMarcus did, all right, So but my point being is,

1249
01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know that Dak is the guy

1250
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:20,680
Speaker 1: to play that game with. We should be ending the show,

1251
01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:23,160
Speaker 1: but we got a call from Philip and France, so

1252
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:24,800
Speaker 1: I think we kind of got to take this call.

1253
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:27,040
Speaker 1: Have anywhere to be all right, let's go what you got.

1254
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 1: I think it's good to talk to you again. You know,

1255
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 1: I got a just a simple thing to say. Since

1256
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 1: you're talking about linebackers, I do believe that's the linebacker

1257
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 1: plays would have been better. Let's sit in if we

1258
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:49,400
Speaker 1: had something stronger and bigger in the middle of the

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Speaker 1: d lineman, I'd like to know what are your thoughts

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Speaker 1: about it? Thanks for ticking, Michael, take care and be safe.

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Speaker 1: But polutely, that's a good call. It's a good question

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Speaker 1: do all we are Are we undervaluing the play of

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Speaker 1: the linebackers because maybe they didn't have that consistent big

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01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:08,280
Speaker 1: body in the middle of the defense to keep people

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Speaker 1: off of them. Yeah, I mean I've I've said it

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Speaker 1: for years. I mean, some of the best linebackers of

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Speaker 1: all time. I've had those big guys up front. And

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Speaker 1: it's going to be interesting to see with this new

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Speaker 1: defense that you know we keep hearing about or not new,

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01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:22,400
Speaker 1: they're going to go back to a scheme that we've

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Speaker 1: seen here before. But I wonder what that means for

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Speaker 1: the defensive tackles, you know, because I believe when Seattle

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Speaker 1: had a Brandon Mebaine, I think he played with Dan Quinn. Mean,

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Speaker 1: he's big dude, so so I think that they will

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Speaker 1: have some some beef up there. I think it's a

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Speaker 1: good point. I'd like to see a little bit more

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Speaker 1: guys that are focused on stopping the run and not

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01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:43,920
Speaker 1: these big body guys that can get up the field.

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01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:46,760
Speaker 1: That's nice Gallimore, Tristan Hill and all that. I do

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01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:49,040
Speaker 1: want a guy that's interested in just staying right here.

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01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:52,320
Speaker 1: I'm just not getting anybody getting pushed back. I'm not

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01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:55,520
Speaker 1: really motioning a lot forward. We're just gonna hold hold

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Speaker 1: the middle right here. That's the guy I want. So

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Speaker 1: I think I think it would affect the linebackers for sure. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think it would help. I don't know if it

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01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 1: would fix everything, but for sure it would help. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, they did signed on Tari Poe didn't work out,

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Speaker 1: but maybe that means they're more willing to consider those

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Speaker 1: types of things. I still don't think they would draft

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Speaker 1: like a pure nose tackle super high. But you can

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Speaker 1: get those kind of guys later too, right, you know,

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01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:20,520
Speaker 1: the big body guy that's just going to be a

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Speaker 1: two down player anyway. I'll be interested to see what

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Speaker 1: they do with that, because, like I, I think there's

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Speaker 1: a non zero chance Gerald McCoy winds up back here. Well,

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Speaker 1: I mean I would like that, ye sent maybe. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean I think there's a chance. And then you know,

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Speaker 1: Antoine Woods is easy to keep if you want to

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Speaker 1: keep him. And then you got the two young draft

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Speaker 1: picks Hill and Gallimore. I mean, yeah, I'll be I would.

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Speaker 1: I'll be interested to see what they do with that.

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Speaker 1: I hope that they try to add some beef for sure.

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01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:49,240
Speaker 1: Gallimore was not a little duty either, And I wonder

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Speaker 1: how much an offseason of him working out with these trainers,

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Speaker 1: if that gets into a point where he develops into

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Speaker 1: that kind of body, well you could put him in

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Speaker 1: those situations a little bit more. I don't know, that's

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Speaker 1: not really been he was brought here to be. He's

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Speaker 1: more of a three technique guy. But I do wonder

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Speaker 1: if if you kind of bulk him up a little bit,

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Speaker 1: could he do that? Yeah, but I don't know if

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Speaker 1: you want to do that, because you know, I remember

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Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley from Oklahoma said he's the quic defensive lineman

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Speaker 1: they've they've seen. He's not supposed to be moving that quick,

1315
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Speaker 1: and we saw him kind of dart into the backfield

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Speaker 1: several times. I like that quick. I mean, he's big enough.

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Speaker 1: But then you got two guys doing that like that's

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Speaker 1: what Tristan is, right, That's okay because those guys can

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Speaker 1: rotate absolutely. I guess my only point though, is if

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Speaker 1: he's if he's that quick and athletic, can you and

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Speaker 1: these trainers wouldn't know, can you bulk him up without

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01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:38,560
Speaker 1: losing that? How much? Can you bulk him up without

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01:04:38,560 --> 01:04:40,840
Speaker 1: losing that? And if you can get a guy that's

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Speaker 1: bigger and only loses a little bit of the athleticism,

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Speaker 1: but he still has a little bit of that, but

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Speaker 1: he can also hold up at the point, now you

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01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:51,439
Speaker 1: might have yourself a really great asset that you can

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Speaker 1: go at one technique or three technique. Right. Maybe I

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Speaker 1: just I don't know. I don't know all that. I

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Speaker 1: just think I wouldn't want to change what he is.

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Speaker 1: He got a lot of pressures last year based off

1332
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Speaker 1: his snaps. I mean he didn't. He didn't get a

1333
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Speaker 1: lot of snaps, and his snaps are pressures to snaps ratio,

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01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:11,040
Speaker 1: if that's even the thing is about as good as

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Speaker 1: anybody in the league, especially for rookies. Yeah, it's pretty good.

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Speaker 1: All right. Appreciate you guys joining us. We are back

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Speaker 1: next Wednesday, normal time, eleven thirty two. Next week we're

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Speaker 1: gonna talk about free agency. Free agency will be starting

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Speaker 1: the week after that, so we're gonna walk through a

1340
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Speaker 1: lot of different questions around free agents, not only the

1341
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:30,040
Speaker 1: Cowboys free agents, but also free agents around the league.

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01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:31,520
Speaker 1: And each of these guys are going to tell you

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Speaker 1: a few of the guys that maybe they are looking

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01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:35,720
Speaker 1: at that they would like the Cowboys to consider, even

1345
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:37,320
Speaker 1: though Dave says, if we know they're not going to

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Speaker 1: do it, but we'll at least have some fun with it.

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Speaker 1: She'll see if there are some free agents. And also

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Speaker 1: next week we'll have some more phone calls. It was

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Speaker 1: nice to hear from some of the fans. We'll keep

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Speaker 1: that going until then for Nick, even Dave, helmt amber Garcia.

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Speaker 1: I am Derek Eagleton. This has been The Break live

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