WEBVTT - Andy Levy & Rep. Gregory Meeks 0:00:00.640 --> 0:00:04.160 Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 0:00:04.400 --> 0:00:07.160 where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 0:00:07.160 --> 0:00:12.040 today's best minds. And Donald Trump isn't even bothering to 0:00:12.119 --> 0:00:16.079 call world leaders back on tariffs. We have such a 0:00:16.120 --> 0:00:19.480 great show for you today. The New Abnormals and the 0:00:19.800 --> 0:00:24.400 Levy stops by to talk about the market chaos caused 0:00:24.400 --> 0:00:28.920 by Trump's temperamental tariffs. Then we'll talk to Congressman Gregory 0:00:28.960 --> 0:00:32.640 Meeks about how Congress can stop Trump's tariff madness. But 0:00:32.760 --> 0:00:33.760 first the news. 0:00:34.320 --> 0:00:37.280 So, one of the funny things about the new Trump 0:00:37.320 --> 0:00:40.479 two point zero regime is that to keep disbanding these 0:00:40.520 --> 0:00:43.680 people who might oversee crimes, they make commit and this 0:00:43.840 --> 0:00:47.960 time it's the Crypto Enforcement Team, which seems pretty important 0:00:48.000 --> 0:00:51.080 for money laundering purposes, since while I'm someone with money 0:00:51.120 --> 0:00:54.200 in crypto, I also know, boy, is it easy to 0:00:54.280 --> 0:00:55.279 launder money through it? 0:00:55.720 --> 0:01:01.120 Yeah, So basically the US Department of Justice is disbanded crypto. 0:01:01.240 --> 0:01:06.520 Crypto is a thing that is quite easy to use 0:01:06.760 --> 0:01:13.319 for any number of things, and largely that means the 0:01:13.640 --> 0:01:18.600 Justice Department disbanding its Crypto Enforcement unit will mean that 0:01:18.640 --> 0:01:23.319 there won't be investigations of cryptno and that means any 0:01:23.400 --> 0:01:27.360 number of things, but the worst of which is that 0:01:27.720 --> 0:01:30.679 people will do crypto scams and they will not get 0:01:30.840 --> 0:01:33.680 caught for it or they will not be held accountable, 0:01:33.840 --> 0:01:36.120 and this will mean they'll be a lot more fraud. 0:01:36.600 --> 0:01:39.440 There'll be a lot more of these kind of stuff 0:01:39.520 --> 0:01:43.039 and it's obviously bad for everyone. And you know, again 0:01:43.160 --> 0:01:46.200 we don't know what's happening behind the scenes, but if 0:01:46.240 --> 0:01:53.840 you are anti anti crime, usually where there is smoke, there. 0:01:53.760 --> 0:01:58.200 Is fire, Yeah, I especially when you're wheeling and dealing 0:01:58.280 --> 0:02:02.080 meme coins with you and your wife's names on it. Right, So, 0:02:02.440 --> 0:02:05.440 as well as other things that they're dismantling is election 0:02:05.640 --> 0:02:08.560 security and Elon Musks Doge is on the. 0:02:08.600 --> 0:02:18.120 Task election security at risk. As Elon Musk dismantles critical network, 0:02:18.240 --> 0:02:24.040 you'll be shocked. This is very like dogy stuff. Right, 0:02:24.080 --> 0:02:26.480 We're going to take apard parts of the government that 0:02:26.600 --> 0:02:30.480 work well in order to save you money and perhaps 0:02:30.560 --> 0:02:34.360 also do stuff we want. So one of the things 0:02:34.400 --> 0:02:37.320 that they've done is they've had you know, some election 0:02:37.400 --> 0:02:41.799 security that has kept sort of cyber attacks and those 0:02:41.919 --> 0:02:44.799 kind of threats at bay. There's been that there's been 0:02:44.880 --> 0:02:48.520 Russia and China there's the far right of course too. 0:02:48.800 --> 0:02:51.840 These attacks they're meant to be disruptive, but they would 0:02:51.880 --> 0:02:55.360 like to change the elections or it's just there's quite 0:02:55.400 --> 0:02:59.639 a lot of reasons why we really want to see 0:02:59.639 --> 0:03:04.799 account ability and transparency when it comes to our elections, 0:03:04.919 --> 0:03:08.400 and we really don't want to see Musk disbanding things. 0:03:08.560 --> 0:03:10.680 And you know, if we just want to take a 0:03:10.720 --> 0:03:14.640 minute and remember that Elon Musk did this to Twitter 0:03:14.960 --> 0:03:19.400 and what happened is that Twitter works much less well now. 0:03:19.680 --> 0:03:19.840 Right. 0:03:19.960 --> 0:03:23.040 Part of this is a war on the administrative state. 0:03:23.200 --> 0:03:26.360 The goal here is to dismantle the federal government, to 0:03:26.440 --> 0:03:28.920 make it so it doesn't work that well, so that 0:03:29.120 --> 0:03:32.720 people aren't relying on it right now. The federal government 0:03:32.760 --> 0:03:37.119 does things that you know, they are avoiding catastrophe, right 0:03:37.160 --> 0:03:40.280 They are, you know, monitoring the air and the water 0:03:40.480 --> 0:03:43.600 and certain foods, and these are things that you don't 0:03:43.720 --> 0:03:46.640 think add value, but when you are in the middle 0:03:46.680 --> 0:03:50.200 of you know, they prevent people from getting poisoned from 0:03:50.360 --> 0:03:54.960 you know, weird kind of you know, hepatitis that gets 0:03:54.960 --> 0:03:58.440 into food and stuff like that. What happens when you 0:03:58.600 --> 0:04:03.600 disassemble these guardrails is you are much likely to have 0:04:03.640 --> 0:04:08.600 a catastrophe. And so obviously they don't want safe and 0:04:08.640 --> 0:04:12.360 secure elections, and you know, any kind of hacking serves 0:04:12.400 --> 0:04:15.880 them right because then they can say it was stolen 0:04:16.080 --> 0:04:18.720 if they lose, they can say it was fine if 0:04:18.720 --> 0:04:22.640 they win. So they really don't want things to work. 0:04:22.760 --> 0:04:24.000 And that's what we're seeing here. 0:04:24.640 --> 0:04:28.440 Yep, that sounds right. So I'm a gen x man, 0:04:28.680 --> 0:04:30.919 and one of the things that's gen x men. I 0:04:31.000 --> 0:04:33.520 know one of the things that gen x men do 0:04:34.200 --> 0:04:37.760 is we watch World War two documentaries. We've put hundreds 0:04:37.800 --> 0:04:41.680 of hours into them. I don't seem to recall Trump's 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:45.520 claim that Nazis treated Jewish prisoners with quote unquote love 0:04:45.760 --> 0:04:48.320 to be accurate with what I've seen in those documentaries. 0:04:48.760 --> 0:04:52.400 Trump keeps sort of going right up to the line 0:04:52.520 --> 0:04:57.960 here with the anti semitism. I mean, certainly he's also 0:04:58.160 --> 0:05:02.320 engaged in anti Semitism. But you know, nt Yaho's presidency 0:05:02.520 --> 0:05:06.359 is inexetorbally linked to his right that Netyel made a 0:05:06.400 --> 0:05:11.040 real concerted effort to say that he was good for Israel, 0:05:11.400 --> 0:05:15.320 to make the case that trump Ism would be good 0:05:15.320 --> 0:05:20.720 for Israel. This is Trump says, he said so basically 0:05:21.400 --> 0:05:24.560 when he was I guess he's talking about the hostages, 0:05:24.640 --> 0:05:30.640 and he said, did the Kammahamas show any signs of 0:05:31.320 --> 0:05:34.680 help or liking you? Did they wink? Did they give 0:05:34.720 --> 0:05:37.520 you a piece of bread? Extra? Did they give you 0:05:37.560 --> 0:05:40.039 a meal on the side, like you know what happened 0:05:40.080 --> 0:05:44.599 in Germany? Trump said, absurdly, comparing the hostages situation to 0:05:44.680 --> 0:05:49.320 the Holocaust, where they murdered six million Jews. People would 0:05:49.360 --> 0:05:53.920 try to help people that were in unbelievable distress. The 0:05:53.960 --> 0:05:57.359 President went on, he really has Are we sure RFK 0:05:57.560 --> 0:06:01.280 is the one with the worms in his brain? The 0:06:01.279 --> 0:06:04.359 President went on, suggesting that the Nazis were known for 0:06:04.440 --> 0:06:09.560 their generosity. No, they didn't do that, they'd slap us. 0:06:09.640 --> 0:06:13.680 Trump said, the hostages told him about Hamas while they 0:06:13.680 --> 0:06:16.320 were sitting next to a man who is currently leading 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:23.000 Israel's genocide and Gaza. Yeah, you guys, not good, not good, 0:06:24.480 --> 0:06:25.480 not good smoy. 0:06:25.560 --> 0:06:29.200 We touched later on in the show on the absolute 0:06:29.279 --> 0:06:32.360 chaos in the markets today. Now the markets have closed, 0:06:32.600 --> 0:06:34.640 they didn't crush quite as hard as we thought. We're 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:37.400 still down about seven thousand points, but it went up 0:06:37.440 --> 0:06:41.279 twenty five hundred points. But Fox commentator Charles Gasparino had 0:06:41.440 --> 0:06:43.560 a quote that really resonated with you. Let me play 0:06:43.560 --> 0:06:44.360 it for the listeners. 0:06:44.640 --> 0:06:46.880 Yeah, gaspell mixed messaging. 0:06:47.120 --> 0:06:50.200 How can you buy? How can you doubt them? I mean, well, 0:06:50.240 --> 0:06:52.479 I mean because of the mixed messaging, how can you buy? 0:06:52.760 --> 0:06:54.920 How can you doubt them? I mean, let's be clear, 0:06:55.000 --> 0:07:00.039 what happened. You know who capitulated here and why? And 0:07:00.600 --> 0:07:02.679 you know, I don't want to say this because I'm 0:07:02.960 --> 0:07:06.240 a patriot, I'm an American, but it is the White 0:07:06.279 --> 0:07:09.880 House who capitulated based on everything I hear and all 0:07:09.960 --> 0:07:12.680 my sources, and the reason why is because of the 0:07:12.680 --> 0:07:15.880 bond market and what happened last night. You know, Bessen 0:07:16.040 --> 0:07:19.280 knows this better than anybody. When you have yields on 0:07:19.320 --> 0:07:23.679 the ten year rising to five percent, stuff starts shutting 0:07:23.720 --> 0:07:26.360 down when you have the lending markets screwed up. By 0:07:26.400 --> 0:07:29.280 the way, who was dumping the bonds? Somebody asked them 0:07:29.280 --> 0:07:32.000 if it was China, right, it wasn't. 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:32.960 It was Japan. 0:07:34.000 --> 0:07:38.160 While he was negotiating with Japan, Japan, according to my sources, 0:07:38.320 --> 0:07:40.920 were running major money management firms that. 0:07:41.320 --> 0:07:42.679 Are involved in the bond market. 0:07:42.720 --> 0:07:46.640 Without giving up names, Japan was dumping bonds because they 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:48.960 believe this was not a great place to do business. 0:07:49.920 --> 0:07:52.640 That forced their hands. Now, which you can say I 0:07:52.680 --> 0:07:56.120 think legitimately. Here is Trump decided to take the win. 0:07:56.280 --> 0:08:00.840 And here's why. There was overwhelmingly, you know, deal potential 0:08:00.880 --> 0:08:04.080 here among the entire world except for maybe China, right, 0:08:04.120 --> 0:08:05.720 everybody really wanted something. 0:08:06.040 --> 0:08:07.360 So he did take the win. 0:08:07.720 --> 0:08:10.600 But make make no mistake about it, Peter Navara was 0:08:10.640 --> 0:08:14.000 talking as of yesterday about not taking the win, and. 0:08:13.920 --> 0:08:14.480 Now they did. 0:08:14.600 --> 0:08:16.120 And it's all because of a bond market. 0:08:16.160 --> 0:08:20.200 I want to point out, Yeah, I don't know. Charles 0:08:20.200 --> 0:08:22.760 Gasparino is going to end up in a detention camp. 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:26.680 Maybe we'll be in one together, Gaspo. Good for you 0:08:27.080 --> 0:08:30.880 for saying the truth on Fox News. Good for him, 0:08:31.120 --> 0:08:34.280 he's definitely going to a Louisiana detention camp. Not allowed 0:08:34.280 --> 0:08:37.320 to say bad things about dear leader. This whole thing 0:08:37.520 --> 0:08:42.440 was stupid. It was stupid. You can't onshore manufacturing just 0:08:42.480 --> 0:08:45.920 by putting on tariffs. We all know this. We've been 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:48.560 told it again and again and again. It was a 0:08:48.600 --> 0:08:53.080 real mad King Donald's moment. But the one bright spot, 0:08:53.200 --> 0:08:56.160 besides the fact that all of these people lost so 0:08:56.320 --> 0:08:59.240 much money, that wasn't the bright spot The bright spot 0:08:59.320 --> 0:09:02.959 was watching some of the richest people in the world 0:09:03.520 --> 0:09:08.040 be pathetically groveling to Donald Trump, and for that that 0:09:08.320 --> 0:09:18.600 is our moment of zen. Andy Levy is the co 0:09:18.679 --> 0:09:24.199 host of The Daily Beasts The New Abnormal. Hello Andy Levy. 0:09:24.120 --> 0:09:25.440 Hello Mali Junkfest. 0:09:26.400 --> 0:09:30.400 We are here today. So we had Liberation Day. That 0:09:30.600 --> 0:09:34.559 was a week ago. We were liberated. It's a week later. 0:09:34.840 --> 0:09:37.439 We've been liberated. Our four oh one ks are now 0:09:37.480 --> 0:09:42.960 four oh one zip for one each for one right exactly. 0:09:43.440 --> 0:09:44.559 We've been liberated. 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:48.800 Yeah, we've been liberated from our need to ever retire. 0:09:49.240 --> 0:09:53.040 Yes, now that that's over. Donald Trump has paused the 0:09:53.080 --> 0:09:54.240 tariffs for ninety days. 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:58.000 Yeah, and you know, the markets are being good little 0:09:58.000 --> 0:10:02.520 boys and their respond to and shooting up, and I 0:10:02.679 --> 0:10:05.240 just like, I look at this and I'm like, how 0:10:05.240 --> 0:10:08.320 are you falling for this? How are you continually falling 0:10:08.360 --> 0:10:11.600 for this? And then someone I can't remember who on 0:10:11.720 --> 0:10:14.559 Blue Sky put up some stuff that Bill Ackman had 0:10:14.559 --> 0:10:15.160 been tweeting. 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:16.120 Yeah it was me. 0:10:16.600 --> 0:10:18.840 That was me? Was that you? Yeah? 0:10:19.000 --> 0:10:19.480 Yeah? 0:10:19.640 --> 0:10:22.280 Can I just reat it? I mean, how please? I 0:10:22.320 --> 0:10:24.840 wish we were alive so we could figure out if 0:10:24.840 --> 0:10:27.000 people like this, let me give you a two second 0:10:27.000 --> 0:10:29.840 explainer on Bill Lackman, very rich, made a ton of 0:10:29.880 --> 0:10:32.560 money in hedge funds. Yet another person who we all 0:10:32.600 --> 0:10:35.640 thought was smart before he started tweeting. His pin tweet 0:10:36.040 --> 0:10:41.000 from sixteen minutes ago is that was brilliantly executed at 0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:45.920 real Donald Trump textbook Comma art of the Deal. Period. 0:10:46.800 --> 0:10:51.520 Then there's another one from twenty seven minutes ago ampersand 0:10:51.840 --> 0:10:57.120 Secretary Scott Bessett Rock's explanation point, and from forty six 0:10:57.200 --> 0:11:01.760 minutes ago, we're seeing my man, he's processing making money again, 0:11:02.280 --> 0:11:05.319 thank you on behalf of all Americans, period. 0:11:05.800 --> 0:11:08.600 And this is like I believe it was just yesterday 0:11:09.160 --> 0:11:12.679 that he was saying how he couldn't believe what was happening, 0:11:13.240 --> 0:11:16.840 and that I believe he signed one. My bad for 0:11:17.360 --> 0:11:20.480 supporting Trump basically, or for thinking that Trump wouldn't do 0:11:20.840 --> 0:11:23.080 what Trump said he was going to do during the campaign, 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:26.760 which was in act these ridiculous tariffs. First of all, 0:11:26.800 --> 0:11:29.160 Bill Ackman, don't be thanking people on my behalf. 0:11:29.480 --> 0:11:31.840 I'm just one of the American people. So I like 0:11:31.920 --> 0:11:34.840 to be involved in anything Bill Ackman's doing. 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:38.280 Yeah, I did not. I have not given you my proxy. 0:11:38.559 --> 0:11:41.319 I'm at the point where I think his company should 0:11:41.320 --> 0:11:44.360 be put in receivership because I think there's something very 0:11:44.400 --> 0:11:45.640 wrong with this dude. 0:11:45.480 --> 0:11:47.840 Bill Ackman or Donald Trump or both. 0:11:48.120 --> 0:11:49.240 Bill Ackman he's got a. 0:11:49.160 --> 0:11:51.440 Hedge fund, but sure, I mean, I don't. 0:11:51.200 --> 0:11:54.800 Know, whatever he does for a living, he should be 0:11:54.960 --> 0:11:58.520 it should be taken away from him because he should 0:11:58.559 --> 0:12:00.959 not be allowed to deal with a lot of us 0:12:00.960 --> 0:12:04.640 are dealing with elderly parents or grandparents who you know, 0:12:04.880 --> 0:12:06.839 they reach a point and you can't really let them 0:12:06.840 --> 0:12:09.200 deal with money. And I think Bill Ackman's, you know, 0:12:09.320 --> 0:12:12.000 a little younger, but I think he's at that point. 0:12:12.040 --> 0:12:15.600 Donald Trump is I actually realized this, I think yesterday, 0:12:15.880 --> 0:12:17.920 because it's a word I hadn't thought of in forever. 0:12:18.160 --> 0:12:19.319 He's a mercantilist. 0:12:19.880 --> 0:12:20.920 I don't know what that means. 0:12:21.240 --> 0:12:25.600 The mercantile system was like super popular in I want 0:12:25.640 --> 0:12:28.760 to say, like I don't know, the Middle Ages or 0:12:28.800 --> 0:12:32.440 like the beginning of the Enlightenment maybe, And mercantilism is 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:38.000 basically what you want is you want to export everything 0:12:38.160 --> 0:12:41.520 and import nothing. And it's been a completely discredited theory 0:12:41.679 --> 0:12:44.520 of economics because it, you know, surprise, surprise led to 0:12:44.600 --> 0:12:48.120 a lot of wars. It led to colonialism because if 0:12:48.120 --> 0:12:50.480 you don't have the products to export or the raw 0:12:50.520 --> 0:12:52.600 materials and you don't want to import, what do you 0:12:52.640 --> 0:12:55.480 do You take over the places that do have those. 0:12:55.640 --> 0:12:58.400 And this is Donald Trump's worldview. He really thinks that 0:12:58.520 --> 0:13:01.480 having a trade deficit is like the worst thing in 0:13:01.520 --> 0:13:04.640 the world. So they've now gone from Originally I thought 0:13:04.679 --> 0:13:06.640 they wanted to take us back to the nineteen fifties. 0:13:06.679 --> 0:13:08.920 Then I thought it was the eighteen fifties, and now 0:13:08.920 --> 0:13:11.560 I'm fairly certain it's like the sixteen and seventeen fifties. 0:13:11.800 --> 0:13:12.440 It is. 0:13:12.679 --> 0:13:13.600 It just never ends. 0:13:13.760 --> 0:13:16.480 One of the many things I appreciate about how stupid 0:13:16.559 --> 0:13:19.920 this is is that here's Donald Trump. He is not 0:13:20.160 --> 0:13:23.319 so smart. He has very rich people decided that he 0:13:23.360 --> 0:13:26.360 would be good for the markets based on almost nothing. 0:13:26.559 --> 0:13:29.160 It was like they were in a coma from twenty 0:13:29.280 --> 0:13:33.360 sixteen to twenty twenty. Now here we are. It is 0:13:33.559 --> 0:13:38.880 twenty twenty five. Yesternight. The markets were cratering and Donald 0:13:38.920 --> 0:13:44.520 Trump was having a make coal Great Again event. Okay, 0:13:44.920 --> 0:13:47.240 they are like, you know many coal plants there are 0:13:47.400 --> 0:13:50.480 in the United States. There are two hundred coal plants. 0:13:50.520 --> 0:13:53.920 Their last large coal fire power plant was built in 0:13:54.080 --> 0:13:58.800 twenty thirteen. Okay, but we're going to change all that, Molly, Yeah, 0:13:58.800 --> 0:14:01.400 because we're going to make a great again exactly. So, 0:14:01.640 --> 0:14:04.000 I mean, I just want so we like he loves call, 0:14:04.240 --> 0:14:08.840 he loves unvaccinated children, he loves tariffs. He doesn't really 0:14:08.920 --> 0:14:12.040 understand how any of this works. Now here's a question. 0:14:12.200 --> 0:14:15.320 So we now see there are no guardrails on Trump, right, 0:14:15.440 --> 0:14:19.440 disappearing grad students, crashing the economy. There are no grown 0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:21.840 ups in the room. So anything Trump does, he's going 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:25.080 to do it ten times worse in twenty twenty four 0:14:25.240 --> 0:14:26.840 than he did in twenty sixteen. 0:14:27.080 --> 0:14:30.600 Discuss I mean, that much is true. And it's interesting 0:14:30.720 --> 0:14:33.200 in that a lot of the lower federal courts have 0:14:33.320 --> 0:14:36.960 been very good in these past couple months in ruling 0:14:37.000 --> 0:14:41.600 against Trump, in allowing temporary restraining orders and stays and 0:14:41.680 --> 0:14:45.160 all that stuff, and then yesterday there comes the Supreme 0:14:45.200 --> 0:14:49.000 Court to basically handwave all of that away. I think, 0:14:49.280 --> 0:14:53.960 probably more than anything, the MAGA capture of the judiciary 0:14:54.640 --> 0:14:59.280 is maybe the leading cause of our downfall right now, 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:03.680 because that was sort of like the ultimate guardrail, you know, 0:15:03.760 --> 0:15:06.440 if Congress wasn't going to do its job, and the 0:15:06.440 --> 0:15:09.480 president was gonna think he was an emperor. It was 0:15:09.520 --> 0:15:11.760 always like, well, at least we have the courts and 0:15:11.800 --> 0:15:14.760 we can sit here and say now that's illegal, that's unconstitutional. 0:15:15.040 --> 0:15:17.480 We don't really have that anymore. We have it a 0:15:17.520 --> 0:15:20.040 little bit. Like I said, the lower federal courts have 0:15:20.120 --> 0:15:23.240 been doing pretty good work. I assume that will all 0:15:23.360 --> 0:15:26.120 change now that the Supreme Court says, for example, that 0:15:26.360 --> 0:15:30.440 the habeas suits of people that have been kidnapped to 0:15:31.080 --> 0:15:34.320 Texas to Louisiana, that's all the Fifth Circuit. And that's 0:15:34.520 --> 0:15:37.320 fairly maga. So I think we're kind of screwed there. 0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:39.600 But that really was I think the ultimate guardrail, and 0:15:40.400 --> 0:15:42.440 thanks to the Supreme Court, we've lost it. 0:15:42.640 --> 0:15:45.560 Don't get me wrong. I think this Supreme Court is wild. 0:15:45.560 --> 0:15:50.080 They have of control. That's sad. I also think that 0:15:50.480 --> 0:15:54.640 they did say everybody agreed that you have a right 0:15:54.680 --> 0:15:58.040 to do process even if you are not a citizen, 0:15:58.640 --> 0:16:02.240 and we heard Trump saying no if you're notices and 0:16:02.320 --> 0:16:04.480 you know, never right to do process. The only people 0:16:04.480 --> 0:16:07.440 who have a right to do process or citizens. So 0:16:07.880 --> 0:16:10.320 they're spinning this as a win, and in some ways, 0:16:10.360 --> 0:16:15.440 certainly this court does absolutely suck beyond measure. But I mean, 0:16:15.480 --> 0:16:17.680 the one thing I would say is don't let Trump 0:16:17.720 --> 0:16:21.440 World spin you harder than they're already doing. Like they 0:16:21.480 --> 0:16:23.920 came out and was like this is a win for MAGA, 0:16:24.080 --> 0:16:25.960 and it is and it isn't. Yeah. 0:16:26.080 --> 0:16:29.880 The thing is though, the part that isn't is not great. 0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:33.800 The problem is that the Supreme Court, particularly the I 0:16:33.800 --> 0:16:37.960 think it was the five justices that issued this decision. 0:16:37.720 --> 0:16:40.880 Everyone but the liberals and Jay. 0:16:41.840 --> 0:16:44.880 Yeah, they issued it what procureum, so it wasn't signed 0:16:44.920 --> 0:16:47.440 because they're ultimately kind of cowardly. 0:16:47.360 --> 0:16:49.840 Just put a lido on each one, I know. 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:52.520 But this whole thing where it's like, oh no, you 0:16:52.600 --> 0:16:56.880 still have habeas right. But instead of saying, hey, you 0:16:56.960 --> 0:17:00.160 can't kidnap people off the streets and send them to 0:17:00.640 --> 0:17:04.640 Louisiana to then move them to El Salvador, what they 0:17:04.680 --> 0:17:08.120 said was, well, no, before they're sent to another country, 0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:10.440 they have to have a habeas suit. Do you really 0:17:10.480 --> 0:17:14.919 think that the poor people who are I would assume 0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:18.160 most of them are not lawyers, are not highly educated. 0:17:18.480 --> 0:17:20.720 Do you think they're even going to know that they 0:17:20.720 --> 0:17:23.080 have this right as they sit there in a Louisiana 0:17:23.119 --> 0:17:26.840 detention center. Like to me, I understand what you're saying, 0:17:26.960 --> 0:17:29.600 and I think legally you're absolutely right. But I think 0:17:29.640 --> 0:17:32.240 in reality, which is someplace where I think the Supreme 0:17:32.280 --> 0:17:35.720 Court doesn't exist, or in which the Supreme Court doesn't exist, 0:17:35.800 --> 0:17:38.120 none of these people are going to know that they 0:17:38.119 --> 0:17:41.280 have this right. And I do not have any faith 0:17:41.400 --> 0:17:45.040 whatsoever that their captors are going to inform them of 0:17:45.080 --> 0:17:47.760 this right. And my guess is they'll be well on 0:17:47.760 --> 0:17:50.119 their way to Al Salvador. You know, a lot of 0:17:50.200 --> 0:17:52.320 the times we don't even know they've been taken until 0:17:52.320 --> 0:17:55.680 they're gone. So what's the point of what's the point 0:17:55.680 --> 0:17:58.440 of having this right if you're already you know, you've 0:17:58.480 --> 0:18:01.440 already been shipped off to a foreign prison. 0:18:01.520 --> 0:18:01.960 A hell? 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:05.360 And then someone says, oh, no, well you had this right. 0:18:05.640 --> 0:18:07.199 I don't know why you didn't exercise it. 0:18:07.520 --> 0:18:10.440 Yeah. What you're saying here is that the rule of 0:18:10.560 --> 0:18:13.680 law stuff that Trump and Ice have really perverted the 0:18:13.800 --> 0:18:17.080 rule of law. Ye've got America to a place where 0:18:17.240 --> 0:18:20.320 a lot of lawless stuff is happening under Trump's watch. 0:18:20.680 --> 0:18:23.639 And that's a real thing. And that is you know, 0:18:23.680 --> 0:18:27.600 it's that question of how much is the sort of 0:18:27.680 --> 0:18:33.119 rule of law worth right, how much is American democracy worth? 0:18:33.320 --> 0:18:35.560 And that is a I mean, I think we do 0:18:35.680 --> 0:18:38.399 have to talk about that. But Trump world continues to 0:18:38.480 --> 0:18:41.680 lose in the courts, and they do often ignore it, 0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:47.040 so that is like also worth thinking about. But they 0:18:47.080 --> 0:18:50.360 do continue to lose, and when there's not a ton 0:18:50.440 --> 0:18:52.520 of legal justification for what they're doing. 0:18:53.040 --> 0:18:55.639 Agreed, And I agree with you that it is important 0:18:55.640 --> 0:18:59.160 that they continue to lose, at least in the unsupreme 0:18:59.280 --> 0:19:02.480 courts of the land, particularly since I have this wild 0:19:02.520 --> 0:19:06.160 hope Molly that when all of this is over, there's 0:19:06.200 --> 0:19:08.919 going to be a mass trial that maybe takes place 0:19:09.040 --> 0:19:11.880 in like one city and we can call the trials 0:19:11.920 --> 0:19:13.960 by the name of that city. And I do think 0:19:14.000 --> 0:19:17.480 it's going to be important to have a long list 0:19:17.680 --> 0:19:22.400 of just how many times and how often all these 0:19:22.440 --> 0:19:28.480 people broke the law and subverted the constitution, acted unconstitutionally, 0:19:29.000 --> 0:19:32.120 how many people died because of all the things that 0:19:32.440 --> 0:19:34.920 they are doing. So I agree with you it's very 0:19:34.960 --> 0:19:38.440 important that these lower courts keep ruling against the administration, 0:19:38.640 --> 0:19:41.600 and it's very important that the suits keep being brought 0:19:41.680 --> 0:19:44.880 by the ACLU and the countless other groups that are 0:19:44.920 --> 0:19:47.560 doing that. I mean, God bless them. It's just as 0:19:47.600 --> 0:19:50.760 you said, they don't seem to really care. So in 0:19:50.840 --> 0:19:54.400 the moment, it gets really frustrating because you're like, no, 0:19:54.520 --> 0:19:57.760 you can't do that, and they're like stop us, right, and. 0:19:58.240 --> 0:20:01.679 Again, that is what the they want. I talk to 0:20:01.840 --> 0:20:05.439 a lot of these experts in authoritarianism and how to 0:20:05.520 --> 0:20:10.080 prevent authoritarianism and how to prevent the authoritarian slide, and 0:20:10.160 --> 0:20:13.160 part of it is that this is a game of inches, 0:20:13.359 --> 0:20:18.159 not feet. So when we ask ourselves in the pundit 0:20:18.359 --> 0:20:23.080 industrial complex, as we are in the content minds, when 0:20:23.080 --> 0:20:27.240 we ask ourselves like will this breakthrough? Does this matter? 0:20:27.760 --> 0:20:34.000 Everything matters, Every single fucking thing matters. This weekend, millions 0:20:34.040 --> 0:20:38.800 of people marched in their cities and their towns. That matters. 0:20:39.400 --> 0:20:42.639 And I think that we need to just keep reminding 0:20:42.680 --> 0:20:47.240 ourselves and our listeners that all of this, we are 0:20:47.280 --> 0:20:50.479 doing the things to protect our norms and institutions, and 0:20:50.520 --> 0:20:54.080 we just have to keep going. I get how frustrating 0:20:54.119 --> 0:20:55.960 it is for you, I get how frustrating it is 0:20:55.960 --> 0:21:00.600 for everyone, but it is what maps matters is that 0:21:00.640 --> 0:21:03.399 we stay the course and that we believe. You know, 0:21:03.400 --> 0:21:06.159 it's funny because it's like public sentiment towards Trump. He 0:21:06.320 --> 0:21:09.280 came in riding on this approval rating. He's squandered almost 0:21:09.320 --> 0:21:11.760 all of it, and things are changing and that's good, 0:21:12.080 --> 0:21:15.240 but I understand there's frustration, and that is why we 0:21:15.480 --> 0:21:19.520 just have to trust that all of us doing the 0:21:19.600 --> 0:21:23.960 right thing will eventually win out. But it's very dark. 0:21:24.560 --> 0:21:24.800 Yeah. 0:21:24.880 --> 0:21:27.320 Look, I completely agree with you, and you know, all 0:21:27.359 --> 0:21:30.600 the marches and rallies over the weekend were absolutely fantastic, 0:21:30.680 --> 0:21:32.960 and I do think it's important, like you said, for 0:21:33.040 --> 0:21:36.119 people like us to be pushing that because you know, 0:21:36.600 --> 0:21:38.959 fairly soon all the content minds that you talked over 0:21:38.960 --> 0:21:40.000 are going to be coal mines. 0:21:40.440 --> 0:21:41.800 So that's right. 0:21:41.880 --> 0:21:44.119 We got to talk while we can, right. 0:21:44.040 --> 0:21:46.280 And only two hundred places for us to work. 0:21:46.119 --> 0:21:49.080 So yeah, I mean it's almost as bad as the 0:21:49.119 --> 0:21:54.040 media right now. I do think you're absolutely right. And 0:21:54.080 --> 0:21:56.639 when I say it's frustrating, it's because it's frustrating. But 0:21:57.000 --> 0:21:59.840 we absolutely can't stop. And even more than you know, 0:21:59.880 --> 0:22:02.960 you and me, the people who really can't stop are 0:22:03.600 --> 0:22:06.280 the ACLU and all these other groups that are bringing 0:22:06.280 --> 0:22:09.120 these lawsuits and all the people that are going out 0:22:09.240 --> 0:22:11.320 to these marches and saying. 0:22:11.040 --> 0:22:12.840 Hell no to all of this. 0:22:13.240 --> 0:22:14.960 I don't even know if I'm half joking about the 0:22:15.040 --> 0:22:18.639 trials after all of this is over. But I do 0:22:18.760 --> 0:22:20.920 think at some point all of this will be over. 0:22:21.200 --> 0:22:22.800 I think a lot of damage will be done and 0:22:22.840 --> 0:22:25.000 a lot of people will be hurt and die before 0:22:25.040 --> 0:22:29.359 it is. But I do have at least the faith 0:22:29.840 --> 0:22:35.480 that you know, like every other totalitarian, authoritarian fascist regime 0:22:35.560 --> 0:22:38.760 in history, it will eventually crumble. As you said, it's 0:22:38.800 --> 0:22:41.119 important to be fighting the whole way through. 0:22:41.520 --> 0:22:45.120