1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 3 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:12,040 Speaker 1: today's best minds. And Donald Trump isn't even bothering to 4 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 1: call world leaders back on tariffs. We have such a 5 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 1: great show for you today. The New Abnormals and the 6 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 1: Levy stops by to talk about the market chaos caused 7 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: by Trump's temperamental tariffs. Then we'll talk to Congressman Gregory 8 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: Meeks about how Congress can stop Trump's tariff madness. But 9 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: first the news. 10 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 2: So, one of the funny things about the new Trump 11 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 2: two point zero regime is that to keep disbanding these 12 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 2: people who might oversee crimes, they make commit and this 13 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 2: time it's the Crypto Enforcement Team, which seems pretty important 14 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 2: for money laundering purposes, since while I'm someone with money 15 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 2: in crypto, I also know, boy, is it easy to 16 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:55,279 Speaker 2: launder money through it? 17 00:00:55,720 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, So basically the US Department of Justice is disbanded crypto. 18 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: Crypto is a thing that is quite easy to use 19 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 1: for any number of things, and largely that means the 20 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 1: Justice Department disbanding its Crypto Enforcement unit will mean that 21 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:23,319 Speaker 1: there won't be investigations of cryptno and that means any 22 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: number of things, but the worst of which is that 23 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 1: people will do crypto scams and they will not get 24 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:33,680 Speaker 1: caught for it or they will not be held accountable, 25 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 1: and this will mean they'll be a lot more fraud. 26 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: There'll be a lot more of these kind of stuff 27 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:43,039 Speaker 1: and it's obviously bad for everyone. And you know, again 28 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 1: we don't know what's happening behind the scenes, but if 29 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: you are anti anti crime, usually where there is smoke, there. 30 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 2: Is fire, Yeah, I especially when you're wheeling and dealing 31 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 2: meme coins with you and your wife's names on it. Right, So, 32 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 2: as well as other things that they're dismantling is election 33 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 2: security and Elon Musks Doge is on the. 34 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 1: Task election security at risk. As Elon Musk dismantles critical network, 35 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 1: you'll be shocked. This is very like dogy stuff. Right, 36 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: We're going to take apard parts of the government that 37 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: work well in order to save you money and perhaps 38 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:34,360 Speaker 1: also do stuff we want. So one of the things 39 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: that they've done is they've had you know, some election 40 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:41,799 Speaker 1: security that has kept sort of cyber attacks and those 41 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:44,799 Speaker 1: kind of threats at bay. There's been that there's been 42 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 1: Russia and China there's the far right of course too. 43 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: These attacks they're meant to be disruptive, but they would 44 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 1: like to change the elections or it's just there's quite 45 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:59,639 Speaker 1: a lot of reasons why we really want to see 46 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:04,799 Speaker 1: account ability and transparency when it comes to our elections, 47 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 1: and we really don't want to see Musk disbanding things. 48 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 1: And you know, if we just want to take a 49 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:14,640 Speaker 1: minute and remember that Elon Musk did this to Twitter 50 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 1: and what happened is that Twitter works much less well now. 51 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 3: Right. 52 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 1: Part of this is a war on the administrative state. 53 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:26,360 Speaker 1: The goal here is to dismantle the federal government, to 54 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:28,920 Speaker 1: make it so it doesn't work that well, so that 55 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: people aren't relying on it right now. The federal government 56 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:37,119 Speaker 1: does things that you know, they are avoiding catastrophe, right 57 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: They are, you know, monitoring the air and the water 58 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 1: and certain foods, and these are things that you don't 59 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: think add value, but when you are in the middle 60 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 1: of you know, they prevent people from getting poisoned from 61 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 1: you know, weird kind of you know, hepatitis that gets 62 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 1: into food and stuff like that. What happens when you 63 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 1: disassemble these guardrails is you are much likely to have 64 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 1: a catastrophe. And so obviously they don't want safe and 65 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: secure elections, and you know, any kind of hacking serves 66 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: them right because then they can say it was stolen 67 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:18,720 Speaker 1: if they lose, they can say it was fine if 68 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: they win. So they really don't want things to work. 69 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: And that's what we're seeing here. 70 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 2: Yep, that sounds right. So I'm a gen x man, 71 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:30,919 Speaker 2: and one of the things that's gen x men. I 72 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 2: know one of the things that gen x men do 73 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 2: is we watch World War two documentaries. We've put hundreds 74 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 2: of hours into them. I don't seem to recall Trump's 75 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 2: claim that Nazis treated Jewish prisoners with quote unquote love 76 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 2: to be accurate with what I've seen in those documentaries. 77 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: Trump keeps sort of going right up to the line 78 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: here with the anti semitism. I mean, certainly he's also 79 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 1: engaged in anti Semitism. But you know, nt Yaho's presidency 80 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:06,359 Speaker 1: is inexetorbally linked to his right that Netyel made a 81 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:11,040 Speaker 1: real concerted effort to say that he was good for Israel, 82 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 1: to make the case that trump Ism would be good 83 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:20,720 Speaker 1: for Israel. This is Trump says, he said so basically 84 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 1: when he was I guess he's talking about the hostages, 85 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 1: and he said, did the Kammahamas show any signs of 86 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: help or liking you? Did they wink? Did they give 87 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 1: you a piece of bread? Extra? Did they give you 88 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:40,039 Speaker 1: a meal on the side, like you know what happened 89 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 1: in Germany? Trump said, absurdly, comparing the hostages situation to 90 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 1: the Holocaust, where they murdered six million Jews. People would 91 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:53,920 Speaker 1: try to help people that were in unbelievable distress. The 92 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:57,359 Speaker 1: President went on, he really has Are we sure RFK 93 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:01,280 Speaker 1: is the one with the worms in his brain? The 94 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:04,359 Speaker 1: President went on, suggesting that the Nazis were known for 95 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 1: their generosity. No, they didn't do that, they'd slap us. 96 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 1: Trump said, the hostages told him about Hamas while they 97 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 1: were sitting next to a man who is currently leading 98 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: Israel's genocide and Gaza. Yeah, you guys, not good, not good, 99 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:25,480 Speaker 1: not good smoy. 100 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 2: We touched later on in the show on the absolute 101 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 2: chaos in the markets today. Now the markets have closed, 102 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 2: they didn't crush quite as hard as we thought. We're 103 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 2: still down about seven thousand points, but it went up 104 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 2: twenty five hundred points. But Fox commentator Charles Gasparino had 105 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 2: a quote that really resonated with you. Let me play 106 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 2: it for the listeners. 107 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, gaspell mixed messaging. 108 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 4: How can you buy? How can you doubt them? I mean, well, 109 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:52,479 Speaker 4: I mean because of the mixed messaging, how can you buy? 110 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 4: How can you doubt them? I mean, let's be clear, 111 00:06:55,000 --> 00:07:00,039 Speaker 4: what happened. You know who capitulated here and why? And 112 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:02,679 Speaker 4: you know, I don't want to say this because I'm 113 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 4: a patriot, I'm an American, but it is the White 114 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 4: House who capitulated based on everything I hear and all 115 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 4: my sources, and the reason why is because of the 116 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 4: bond market and what happened last night. You know, Bessen 117 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 4: knows this better than anybody. When you have yields on 118 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:23,679 Speaker 4: the ten year rising to five percent, stuff starts shutting 119 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 4: down when you have the lending markets screwed up. By 120 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 4: the way, who was dumping the bonds? Somebody asked them 121 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 4: if it was China, right, it wasn't. 122 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 3: It was Japan. 123 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 4: While he was negotiating with Japan, Japan, according to my sources, 124 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 4: were running major money management firms that. 125 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:42,679 Speaker 1: Are involved in the bond market. 126 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 4: Without giving up names, Japan was dumping bonds because they 127 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 4: believe this was not a great place to do business. 128 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 4: That forced their hands. Now, which you can say I 129 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 4: think legitimately. Here is Trump decided to take the win. 130 00:07:56,280 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 4: And here's why. There was overwhelmingly, you know, deal potential 131 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 4: here among the entire world except for maybe China, right, 132 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 4: everybody really wanted something. 133 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 3: So he did take the win. 134 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 4: But make make no mistake about it, Peter Navara was 135 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 4: talking as of yesterday about not taking the win, and. 136 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 3: Now they did. 137 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 4: And it's all because of a bond market. 138 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: I want to point out, Yeah, I don't know. Charles 139 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 1: Gasparino is going to end up in a detention camp. 140 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 1: Maybe we'll be in one together, Gaspo. Good for you 141 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: for saying the truth on Fox News. Good for him, 142 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 1: he's definitely going to a Louisiana detention camp. Not allowed 143 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 1: to say bad things about dear leader. This whole thing 144 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 1: was stupid. It was stupid. You can't onshore manufacturing just 145 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: by putting on tariffs. We all know this. We've been 146 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 1: told it again and again and again. It was a 147 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 1: real mad King Donald's moment. But the one bright spot, 148 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 1: besides the fact that all of these people lost so 149 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: much money, that wasn't the bright spot The bright spot 150 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:02,959 Speaker 1: was watching some of the richest people in the world 151 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 1: be pathetically groveling to Donald Trump, and for that that 152 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: is our moment of zen. Andy Levy is the co 153 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:24,199 Speaker 1: host of The Daily Beasts The New Abnormal. Hello Andy Levy. 154 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 5: Hello Mali Junkfest. 155 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 1: We are here today. So we had Liberation Day. That 156 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:34,559 Speaker 1: was a week ago. We were liberated. It's a week later. 157 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:37,439 Speaker 1: We've been liberated. Our four oh one ks are now 158 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 1: four oh one zip for one each for one right exactly. 159 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:44,559 Speaker 1: We've been liberated. 160 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, we've been liberated from our need to ever retire. 161 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 1: Yes, now that that's over. Donald Trump has paused the 162 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: tariffs for ninety days. 163 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, and you know, the markets are being good little 164 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 5: boys and their respond to and shooting up, and I 165 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 5: just like, I look at this and I'm like, how 166 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 5: are you falling for this? How are you continually falling 167 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 5: for this? And then someone I can't remember who on 168 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:14,559 Speaker 5: Blue Sky put up some stuff that Bill Ackman had 169 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 5: been tweeting. 170 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 1: Yeah it was me. 171 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 3: That was me? Was that you? Yeah? 172 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 5: Yeah? 173 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 1: Can I just reat it? I mean, how please? I 174 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 1: wish we were alive so we could figure out if 175 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: people like this, let me give you a two second 176 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 1: explainer on Bill Lackman, very rich, made a ton of 177 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 1: money in hedge funds. Yet another person who we all 178 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 1: thought was smart before he started tweeting. His pin tweet 179 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 1: from sixteen minutes ago is that was brilliantly executed at 180 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 1: real Donald Trump textbook Comma art of the Deal. Period. 181 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: Then there's another one from twenty seven minutes ago ampersand 182 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 1: Secretary Scott Bessett Rock's explanation point, and from forty six 183 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 1: minutes ago, we're seeing my man, he's processing making money again, 184 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:05,319 Speaker 1: thank you on behalf of all Americans, period. 185 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 5: And this is like I believe it was just yesterday 186 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:12,679 Speaker 5: that he was saying how he couldn't believe what was happening, 187 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 5: and that I believe he signed one. My bad for 188 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 5: supporting Trump basically, or for thinking that Trump wouldn't do 189 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 5: what Trump said he was going to do during the campaign, 190 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 5: which was in act these ridiculous tariffs. First of all, 191 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 5: Bill Ackman, don't be thanking people on my behalf. 192 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 1: I'm just one of the American people. So I like 193 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 1: to be involved in anything Bill Ackman's doing. 194 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, I did not. I have not given you my proxy. 195 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:41,319 Speaker 5: I'm at the point where I think his company should 196 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 5: be put in receivership because I think there's something very 197 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 5: wrong with this dude. 198 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 1: Bill Ackman or Donald Trump or both. 199 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 5: Bill Ackman he's got a. 200 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 1: Hedge fund, but sure, I mean, I don't. 201 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 5: Know, whatever he does for a living, he should be 202 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 5: it should be taken away from him because he should 203 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:00,959 Speaker 5: not be allowed to deal with a lot of us 204 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 5: are dealing with elderly parents or grandparents who you know, 205 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:06,839 Speaker 5: they reach a point and you can't really let them 206 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 5: deal with money. And I think Bill Ackman's, you know, 207 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 5: a little younger, but I think he's at that point. 208 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 5: Donald Trump is I actually realized this, I think yesterday, 209 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 5: because it's a word I hadn't thought of in forever. 210 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:19,319 Speaker 5: He's a mercantilist. 211 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: I don't know what that means. 212 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 5: The mercantile system was like super popular in I want 213 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 5: to say, like I don't know, the Middle Ages or 214 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 5: like the beginning of the Enlightenment maybe, And mercantilism is 215 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 5: basically what you want is you want to export everything 216 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 5: and import nothing. And it's been a completely discredited theory 217 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 5: of economics because it, you know, surprise, surprise led to 218 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 5: a lot of wars. It led to colonialism because if 219 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 5: you don't have the products to export or the raw 220 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 5: materials and you don't want to import, what do you 221 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 5: do You take over the places that do have those. 222 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 5: And this is Donald Trump's worldview. He really thinks that 223 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 5: having a trade deficit is like the worst thing in 224 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 5: the world. So they've now gone from Originally I thought 225 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 5: they wanted to take us back to the nineteen fifties. 226 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 5: Then I thought it was the eighteen fifties, and now 227 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 5: I'm fairly certain it's like the sixteen and seventeen fifties. 228 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 3: It is. 229 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 5: It just never ends. 230 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 1: One of the many things I appreciate about how stupid 231 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 1: this is is that here's Donald Trump. He is not 232 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:23,319 Speaker 1: so smart. He has very rich people decided that he 233 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 1: would be good for the markets based on almost nothing. 234 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: It was like they were in a coma from twenty 235 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 1: sixteen to twenty twenty. Now here we are. It is 236 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. Yesternight. The markets were cratering and Donald 237 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: Trump was having a make coal Great Again event. Okay, 238 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 1: they are like, you know many coal plants there are 239 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 1: in the United States. There are two hundred coal plants. 240 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 1: Their last large coal fire power plant was built in 241 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 1: twenty thirteen. Okay, but we're going to change all that, Molly, Yeah, 242 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 1: because we're going to make a great again exactly. So, 243 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I just want so we like he loves call, 244 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 1: he loves unvaccinated children, he loves tariffs. He doesn't really 245 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 1: understand how any of this works. Now here's a question. 246 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 1: So we now see there are no guardrails on Trump, right, 247 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 1: disappearing grad students, crashing the economy. There are no grown 248 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 1: ups in the room. So anything Trump does, he's going 249 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 1: to do it ten times worse in twenty twenty four 250 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 1: than he did in twenty sixteen. 251 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 5: Discuss I mean, that much is true. And it's interesting 252 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 5: in that a lot of the lower federal courts have 253 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 5: been very good in these past couple months in ruling 254 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 5: against Trump, in allowing temporary restraining orders and stays and 255 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 5: all that stuff, and then yesterday there comes the Supreme 256 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 5: Court to basically handwave all of that away. I think, 257 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 5: probably more than anything, the MAGA capture of the judiciary 258 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 5: is maybe the leading cause of our downfall right now, 259 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 5: because that was sort of like the ultimate guardrail, you know, 260 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 5: if Congress wasn't going to do its job, and the 261 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 5: president was gonna think he was an emperor. It was 262 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 5: always like, well, at least we have the courts and 263 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 5: we can sit here and say now that's illegal, that's unconstitutional. 264 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 5: We don't really have that anymore. We have it a 265 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 5: little bit. Like I said, the lower federal courts have 266 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 5: been doing pretty good work. I assume that will all 267 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 5: change now that the Supreme Court says, for example, that 268 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 5: the habeas suits of people that have been kidnapped to 269 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 5: Texas to Louisiana, that's all the Fifth Circuit. And that's 270 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 5: fairly maga. So I think we're kind of screwed there. 271 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 5: But that really was I think the ultimate guardrail, and 272 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 5: thanks to the Supreme Court, we've lost it. 273 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong. I think this Supreme Court is wild. 274 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 1: They have of control. That's sad. I also think that 275 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 1: they did say everybody agreed that you have a right 276 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: to do process even if you are not a citizen, 277 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 1: and we heard Trump saying no if you're notices and 278 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 1: you know, never right to do process. The only people 279 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 1: who have a right to do process or citizens. So 280 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 1: they're spinning this as a win, and in some ways, 281 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 1: certainly this court does absolutely suck beyond measure. But I mean, 282 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 1: the one thing I would say is don't let Trump 283 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 1: World spin you harder than they're already doing. Like they 284 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 1: came out and was like this is a win for MAGA, 285 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 1: and it is and it isn't. Yeah. 286 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 5: The thing is though, the part that isn't is not great. 287 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 5: The problem is that the Supreme Court, particularly the I 288 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 5: think it was the five justices that issued this decision. 289 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 1: Everyone but the liberals and Jay. 290 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, they issued it what procureum, so it wasn't signed 291 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 5: because they're ultimately kind of cowardly. 292 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 1: Just put a lido on each one, I know. 293 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 5: But this whole thing where it's like, oh no, you 294 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 5: still have habeas right. But instead of saying, hey, you 295 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:00,160 Speaker 5: can't kidnap people off the streets and send them to 296 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:04,640 Speaker 5: Louisiana to then move them to El Salvador, what they 297 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:08,120 Speaker 5: said was, well, no, before they're sent to another country, 298 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:10,440 Speaker 5: they have to have a habeas suit. Do you really 299 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:14,919 Speaker 5: think that the poor people who are I would assume 300 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:18,160 Speaker 5: most of them are not lawyers, are not highly educated. 301 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 5: Do you think they're even going to know that they 302 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 5: have this right as they sit there in a Louisiana 303 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 5: detention center. Like to me, I understand what you're saying, 304 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 5: and I think legally you're absolutely right. But I think 305 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 5: in reality, which is someplace where I think the Supreme 306 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 5: Court doesn't exist, or in which the Supreme Court doesn't exist, 307 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:38,120 Speaker 5: none of these people are going to know that they 308 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 5: have this right. And I do not have any faith 309 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 5: whatsoever that their captors are going to inform them of 310 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 5: this right. And my guess is they'll be well on 311 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:50,119 Speaker 5: their way to Al Salvador. You know, a lot of 312 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 5: the times we don't even know they've been taken until 313 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 5: they're gone. So what's the point of what's the point 314 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:58,440 Speaker 5: of having this right if you're already you know, you've 315 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:01,440 Speaker 5: already been shipped off to a foreign prison. 316 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 3: A hell? 317 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:05,360 Speaker 5: And then someone says, oh, no, well you had this right. 318 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:07,199 Speaker 5: I don't know why you didn't exercise it. 319 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:10,440 Speaker 1: Yeah. What you're saying here is that the rule of 320 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:13,680 Speaker 1: law stuff that Trump and Ice have really perverted the 321 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 1: rule of law. Ye've got America to a place where 322 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: a lot of lawless stuff is happening under Trump's watch. 323 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:23,639 Speaker 1: And that's a real thing. And that is you know, 324 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 1: it's that question of how much is the sort of 325 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 1: rule of law worth right, how much is American democracy worth? 326 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 1: And that is a I mean, I think we do 327 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:38,399 Speaker 1: have to talk about that. But Trump world continues to 328 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 1: lose in the courts, and they do often ignore it, 329 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 1: so that is like also worth thinking about. But they 330 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:50,360 Speaker 1: do continue to lose, and when there's not a ton 331 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 1: of legal justification for what they're doing. 332 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:55,639 Speaker 5: Agreed, And I agree with you that it is important 333 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:59,160 Speaker 5: that they continue to lose, at least in the unsupreme 334 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 5: courts of the land, particularly since I have this wild 335 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:06,160 Speaker 5: hope Molly that when all of this is over, there's 336 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:08,919 Speaker 5: going to be a mass trial that maybe takes place 337 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:11,880 Speaker 5: in like one city and we can call the trials 338 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 5: by the name of that city. And I do think 339 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 5: it's going to be important to have a long list 340 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:22,400 Speaker 5: of just how many times and how often all these 341 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 5: people broke the law and subverted the constitution, acted unconstitutionally, 342 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:32,120 Speaker 5: how many people died because of all the things that 343 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:34,920 Speaker 5: they are doing. So I agree with you it's very 344 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 5: important that these lower courts keep ruling against the administration, 345 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 5: and it's very important that the suits keep being brought 346 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:44,880 Speaker 5: by the ACLU and the countless other groups that are 347 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 5: doing that. I mean, God bless them. It's just as 348 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 5: you said, they don't seem to really care. So in 349 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:54,400 Speaker 5: the moment, it gets really frustrating because you're like, no, 350 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 5: you can't do that, and they're like stop us, right, and. 351 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:01,679 Speaker 1: Again, that is what the they want. I talk to 352 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:05,439 Speaker 1: a lot of these experts in authoritarianism and how to 353 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 1: prevent authoritarianism and how to prevent the authoritarian slide, and 354 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:13,160 Speaker 1: part of it is that this is a game of inches, 355 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:18,159 Speaker 1: not feet. So when we ask ourselves in the pundit 356 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: industrial complex, as we are in the content minds, when 357 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 1: we ask ourselves like will this breakthrough? Does this matter? 358 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: Everything matters, Every single fucking thing matters. This weekend, millions 359 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 1: of people marched in their cities and their towns. That matters. 360 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 1: And I think that we need to just keep reminding 361 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 1: ourselves and our listeners that all of this, we are 362 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:50,479 Speaker 1: doing the things to protect our norms and institutions, and 363 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 1: we just have to keep going. I get how frustrating 364 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 1: it is for you, I get how frustrating it is 365 00:20:55,960 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 1: for everyone, but it is what maps matters is that 366 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,399 Speaker 1: we stay the course and that we believe. You know, 367 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:06,159 Speaker 1: it's funny because it's like public sentiment towards Trump. He 368 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 1: came in riding on this approval rating. He's squandered almost 369 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 1: all of it, and things are changing and that's good, 370 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 1: but I understand there's frustration, and that is why we 371 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: just have to trust that all of us doing the 372 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 1: right thing will eventually win out. But it's very dark. 373 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 3: Yeah. 374 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 5: Look, I completely agree with you, and you know, all 375 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 5: the marches and rallies over the weekend were absolutely fantastic, 376 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 5: and I do think it's important, like you said, for 377 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:36,119 Speaker 5: people like us to be pushing that because you know, 378 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:38,959 Speaker 5: fairly soon all the content minds that you talked over 379 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 5: are going to be coal mines. 380 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 1: So that's right. 381 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 5: We got to talk while we can, right. 382 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 1: And only two hundred places for us to work. 383 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 5: So yeah, I mean it's almost as bad as the 384 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 5: media right now. I do think you're absolutely right. And 385 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,639 Speaker 5: when I say it's frustrating, it's because it's frustrating. But 386 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 5: we absolutely can't stop. And even more than you know, 387 00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 5: you and me, the people who really can't stop are 388 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 5: the ACLU and all these other groups that are bringing 389 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:09,120 Speaker 5: these lawsuits and all the people that are going out 390 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 5: to these marches and saying. 391 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 3: Hell no to all of this. 392 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 5: I don't even know if I'm half joking about the 393 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:18,639 Speaker 5: trials after all of this is over. But I do 394 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:20,920 Speaker 5: think at some point all of this will be over. 395 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 5: I think a lot of damage will be done and 396 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 5: a lot of people will be hurt and die before 397 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 5: it is. But I do have at least the faith 398 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 5: that you know, like every other totalitarian, authoritarian fascist regime 399 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 5: in history, it will eventually crumble. As you said, it's 400 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 5: important to be fighting the whole way through. 401 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:45,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think what was I thought pretty interesting when 402 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:48,159 Speaker 1: I took to Sarah Longwell, who does these focus groups, 403 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:51,880 Speaker 1: and she was talking about how she had done these 404 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 1: two focus groups, one very liberal, one sort of very centrist, 405 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,359 Speaker 1: and both times it said they just want their leaders 406 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,640 Speaker 1: to fight. And again, this comes back to this idea 407 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 1: that Pritzkers people were talking about. Pritzger's chief of staff 408 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:08,439 Speaker 1: was writing about this idea that it's not left versus center, 409 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,479 Speaker 1: it's fight versus cave, and that is where we are 410 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:15,160 Speaker 1: right now. Are you going to fight for norms and institutions? 411 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:18,399 Speaker 1: Are you going to fight for American democracy as we 412 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 1: know it? Or are you going to cave and people? 413 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 1: Sometimes I'll be in conversations where a friend of mine 414 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 1: will say, you know, where are you going to move 415 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,159 Speaker 1: when things go bad? You're going to move to Europe? 416 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,679 Speaker 1: You can move to Canada, you know, And I always say, no, 417 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,640 Speaker 1: I'm going to fight. I'm going to stay here. You know. 418 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,239 Speaker 1: My plan B is that they'll you know, I'll end 419 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 1: up and hopefully not. But you know, I mean that's 420 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,239 Speaker 1: what this is. There is no this is our plan BA, 421 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 1: You're like. 422 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:48,159 Speaker 5: No, I know. Look, I know people also that have 423 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 5: been talking about it's become a little less of a 424 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 5: thought experiment for some people I know as to where 425 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 5: they would go. And it was always sort of the 426 00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 5: people who would always talk about, I'm leaving the country 427 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:03,400 Speaker 5: where the barber Streisands of the world and the super rich, 428 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,719 Speaker 5: the people who could very easily just pick up and 429 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 5: go live anywhere and live out their days in comfort. 430 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 5: I do feel like that's kind of seeping down a 431 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 5: little bit towards more normal people in the sense that 432 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:20,199 Speaker 5: it's become like a conversation. I don't think anyone that 433 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,119 Speaker 5: I know is seriously planning it, but I do know 434 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,639 Speaker 5: they're actually like say, you know, they're saying, like, like, 435 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 5: what you said MA, like, where would you go and 436 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 5: what would you do? And there are people I know 437 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,879 Speaker 5: who have been like, well, I've been looking into X, 438 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,400 Speaker 5: you know, and I've never heard that before. I really 439 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 5: had only heard that from celebrities. I just had never 440 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:43,200 Speaker 5: heard it from normies. And it's wild that we are 441 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 5: at that point. Look, I'm with you, I'm you know, 442 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 5: I got nowhere to go. I don't even have a passport, Molly. 443 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:49,680 Speaker 1: You don't have a passport. 444 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:53,119 Speaker 5: You need a pass for No. Well, I think without 445 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,639 Speaker 5: a passport, they can't send me to El Salvador. So 446 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:59,160 Speaker 5: I think I am being really smart. Yeah, oh I've 447 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 5: thought this through. Yeah, I'm just gonna sit there and say, 448 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,439 Speaker 5: no passport and I don't have a real ID driver's license. 449 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 3: You can't. 450 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 5: You can't even send me to Canada pal So so 451 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 5: just let me go. They'll and they'll say he's got. 452 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:17,680 Speaker 1: Us, Andy Laby. I'm not sure who got who here. 453 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 1: Congressman Gregory Meeks represents New York's fifth district. Welcome to 454 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 1: fast Politics, Representative meets thank you, good to be with you. 455 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,680 Speaker 1: So we are right out of tariff gate or is 456 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:39,160 Speaker 1: it tariff apocalypse? The tariff apocalypse now the tariffs are 457 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 1: on pause. One of the things that you did, which 458 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,119 Speaker 1: I think is very smart, is you had legislation to 459 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 1: try and stop Trump from adding on these tariffs. And 460 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 1: it was because Trump said he had this power that 461 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,239 Speaker 1: he didn't. So explain to us what your legislation was 462 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:55,719 Speaker 1: and is. 463 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 3: Let me just say this Congress has the rights to 464 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:02,440 Speaker 3: to deal with tariffs. He comes up with and the 465 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,680 Speaker 3: only way that he can impose a tariff is say 466 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 3: that it's an emergency. So he says he makes up 467 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:09,200 Speaker 3: an emergency. 468 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,679 Speaker 6: He goes from when you know, for Canada, first it 469 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 6: was dealing with people crossing the border or dealing with fentanol, 470 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 6: none of which is true. 471 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:21,439 Speaker 3: What we wanted to do is to make sure that 472 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 3: there's a vote on the floor so we know how 473 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 3: members feel because we're supposed to be having the oversight 474 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:31,920 Speaker 3: of the president, etc. So I had a resolution with 475 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 3: personal resolution that I put together so that they would 476 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,919 Speaker 3: be fifteen days if not acted on, they would be 477 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:40,679 Speaker 3: a vote on the floor. So they came up with 478 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 3: some crazy rule that a day is not a day, 479 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 3: and for this first one it says for the whole year, 480 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 3: so that it would prevent the bill from getting on 481 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 3: the floor. We're going to do what's called emotion to 482 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 3: discharge also to get it on the floor anyway, we 483 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,160 Speaker 3: just need two or three Republicans and we're working on 484 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 3: that because this is ridiculous. You know, they're trying to 485 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 3: avoid a vote of Congress, and we need to put 486 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 3: all of the Republicans. Let us know where you are. Either 487 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,199 Speaker 3: you four tariffs or you're not. So that was the 488 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,360 Speaker 3: first bell that I put forward personal resolution, and we're 489 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:17,639 Speaker 3: going to do a motion of discharge on that. And 490 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 3: then with this new set of tariffs that he just 491 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 3: placed the other day, we did drop another one and 492 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,879 Speaker 3: so they came out with the same kind of rule 493 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 3: that prevents it from hitting the floor. So we're back 494 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 3: to the same thing and we're not gonna let it go. 495 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 3: We're going to then do another motion to discharge so 496 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,879 Speaker 3: that we can get a vote on the floor so 497 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 3: the American people know where Congress stands. Now there's another 498 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 3: bell that's floating. It was bipartisan in the Senate. So 499 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 3: we have now looking at the House of Republican. Representative 500 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:57,639 Speaker 3: Bacon is going to introduce the exact same bill that 501 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 3: Congress needs to have the power, take the power bet 502 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,399 Speaker 3: that the Constitution gave us. So I'm hoping that they 503 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,479 Speaker 3: let that bill on the floor so that we can 504 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,480 Speaker 3: vote on it. So we've got all of these things 505 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 3: going at the same time. 506 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 1: So that bill has a bunch of Republicans, that has 507 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:20,160 Speaker 1: the sort of four Senate Republicans behind it, which is McConnell, Murkowski, Collins, 508 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:26,200 Speaker 1: and oh Ram Paul. Is unusual to have ran Paul 509 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 1: in a Democratic bill. But the problem with a lot 510 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 1: of this legislation, and Trump has still thirteen hundred plus 511 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 1: days in his administration left, so there are going to 512 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 1: be times when Congress is going to at least try 513 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 1: to check him. He has said that he would veto 514 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 1: that bill. Do you think there's a way now that 515 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 1: people are starting to see that Trump is really unfettered 516 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 1: by normalcy? Is a nice way to put it. Do 517 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 1: you think there's a world in which you can get 518 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 1: a veto proof major? 519 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 3: Well, you know, we're going to put it to the test, 520 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 3: because you know, for years and years the Republicans have 521 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 3: said that they were against terras. Now this was Joe 522 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 3: Biden or Barack Obama or Bill Clinton, any Democrat, they 523 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 3: would be against this We're going to find out where 524 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 3: they are on this issue. And that's what this is about. 525 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 3: So it's about Congress on us wrestling back our authority. 526 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 3: But since they have the numbers in the House and 527 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 3: in the Senate, we Democrats are going to fight and 528 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 3: we're going to use every tool that we have so 529 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 3: that the American people can know what's going on and 530 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 3: that how this president has broke his promises. Remember, we've 531 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,320 Speaker 3: got to hold him accountable, you know. And I just 532 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 3: say this so you know, in any case, whoever you elect, 533 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 3: whoever's elected, you had to hold them accountable once they're elected. Now, 534 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 3: he said on day one, inflation would go down, prices 535 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 3: would go down on day one, and just the opposite, 536 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 3: this is the largest tax increase in peacetime history. Hasn't happened. 537 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:21,280 Speaker 3: Inflation is going back up. People are losing their four 538 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 3: oh one case. The cost of food, the cost of technology, 539 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 3: the cost of cause are all going up. We've got 540 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 3: to fight for the American people. That's what we're going 541 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 3: to go. 542 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 1: So you have an opportunity now right Trump has one big, 543 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 1: beautiful bill. Part of these tariffs were to put pressure 544 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 1: on Republicans to pass this tax cut. That's one big 545 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 1: beautiful bill. Republicans have a very very very small minority 546 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 1: in the House, one two seats. Can you there are defectors? 547 00:30:56,400 --> 00:31:01,800 Speaker 1: Clearly we know certain people Thomas Matsey that crew will 548 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 1: not sign on. The last time with the cr the 549 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 1: reason that the legislation got out of the House was 550 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 1: because Trump and Elon went around and whipped votes. Can 551 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:17,040 Speaker 1: you come up the works enough so that this big 552 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 1: beautiful bill doesn't pass. 553 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 3: We're working on it. We just need three, right, just 554 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 3: need three. And so I'm doing everything that I can, 555 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 3: and I know that Leader Jefferies and our Democratic leadership 556 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,880 Speaker 3: are talking and working to just get three members to 557 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 3: stand up because guess what they know is hurting their 558 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 3: people in their distance. We are doing everything that we 559 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 3: can behind the scenes, in front of the scenes, and 560 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 3: just talking to individuals that know the damage that these 561 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 3: taks will give to their people. Now that's why, for example, 562 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 3: I joined to show the bipartisanship that I'm ready to have. 563 00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 3: I joined the bill with in the Bacon to make it. 564 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,240 Speaker 3: You know, so the Democrats are ready to do the 565 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:08,360 Speaker 3: right thing. We'll join with Republicans and they should join 566 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 3: with us. And so I'm hopeful that we will get 567 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 3: the three that we need so that we can get 568 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:16,560 Speaker 3: these bills on the floor and vote on. 569 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 1: So, this big beautiful bill that Trump wants to pass, 570 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 1: that he's trying to get through before, he's trying to 571 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 1: get some sort of version of it, you know, the 572 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:30,200 Speaker 1: very the sort of outline passed before people leave for 573 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:34,480 Speaker 1: codels and for passover. Do you think that people understand 574 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:36,720 Speaker 1: that it will grow the debt? I mean what I've 575 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,240 Speaker 1: seen the that I've seen the scoring on that that 576 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:40,960 Speaker 1: it will actually add to the deficit. 577 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:45,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, because what they're doing, they're doing a reverse robinhood. 578 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,680 Speaker 3: They want to take from the poor to give tax 579 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 3: cuts to the rich. So with this big budget bill, 580 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 3: what it does and the bill that was passed the 581 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 3: continuing resolution, it demanded that they cut eight hundred and 582 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:05,240 Speaker 3: a billion dollars, which means if you just use math, 583 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 3: because you could cut everything else, and that only turns 584 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,600 Speaker 3: up to two hundred and twenty billion dollars. So it 585 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:17,080 Speaker 3: means that you have to cut medicaid to hurt people. 586 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 3: And what do they want to do the money. They're 587 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 3: not using the money really to reduce the deficit. They're 588 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 3: using the money to give to the billionaires for their 589 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:29,480 Speaker 3: tax cut. And that's why Republicans don't want to hold 590 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:33,240 Speaker 3: town hall meetings anymore because people are going to hold 591 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 3: them accountable. So I'm hopeful that they realize that, you know, 592 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,760 Speaker 3: thou constitution says that you have a president, but not 593 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 3: a king, and they don't have to follow a do everything. 594 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,480 Speaker 3: When he say jump, jump, you know he's talking about 595 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,040 Speaker 3: how you know people are kissing his whatever. You know, 596 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,920 Speaker 3: that's he's really talking about. The Republicans. He literally told 597 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,120 Speaker 3: them just to close their eyes, don't even think about 598 00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 3: this vote the way I'll tell you to vote. That's 599 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,960 Speaker 3: not who should be. And members of Congress, Democrats and 600 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,240 Speaker 3: Republicans alike, we took an oath the office not to 601 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 3: follow a man, but to protect the country. So I'm 602 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,759 Speaker 3: hoped that there's go and the way you hope because 603 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,799 Speaker 3: the people still hold the power. So that's what is 604 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:19,360 Speaker 3: recently set on the floor that they can run, but 605 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:24,600 Speaker 3: they cannot hide from the American people, and we Democrats 606 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 3: have got to make sure that we are letting the 607 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,400 Speaker 3: people know. And that's why admire you and your show 608 00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,799 Speaker 3: and your listeners, because they are getting the facts and 609 00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:37,120 Speaker 3: that's why just this past weekend, we saw people all 610 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:41,560 Speaker 3: across America saying there are against these tax cuts, They're 611 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,719 Speaker 3: against these tariffs, not only all over America, but all 612 00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:48,040 Speaker 3: over the world. These demonstrations took place, and that's how 613 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 3: I think that you make change happen. 614 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:54,400 Speaker 1: So let's talk about the protests for one more minute. 615 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:59,480 Speaker 1: We're seeing mass protests, millions of people, all different states, 616 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:06,320 Speaker 1: all different cities, really wide swaths. They want their electeds 617 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:10,000 Speaker 1: to fight. That's really what they don't have. They want. 618 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,680 Speaker 1: They don't like Dog, they don't like Trump. Trump's back 619 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 1: to forty one percent approval rating. You know, He's this 620 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 1: is sort of the high water mark of his first presidency. 621 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,440 Speaker 1: Do you feel there's a vibe shift in DC. 622 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,680 Speaker 3: Yeah? I do. Look, my staff was just yelling at 623 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:31,120 Speaker 3: me because I'm calling it like it is. I was 624 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:35,000 Speaker 3: calling the president Elijah and did to say anything about it. 625 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:36,880 Speaker 3: I'll fight and stand up. We got to stand in 626 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,560 Speaker 3: his face and let him know and tell the truth. 627 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:43,200 Speaker 3: Here's a guy that you know, talk about economy and 628 00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:47,400 Speaker 3: making a deal. He bankrupted six of his own businesses. 629 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,760 Speaker 3: He's not a successful businessman, and we've got to stand 630 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,360 Speaker 3: up and fight, and I think that's what's happening. I 631 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:57,320 Speaker 3: think there's been dialogue in conversation between Democratic House members 632 00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 3: and Democratic Senate members so that we don't have the 633 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,319 Speaker 3: miss direction that we had, because we've got to now 634 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:06,000 Speaker 3: sit down and just the way. Look, I gotta tell you, 635 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,840 Speaker 3: I'm from the streets before I became a member of 636 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,240 Speaker 3: Congress and wearing this tie. I grew up in public 637 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,120 Speaker 3: housing and I had to deal with bullies. And the 638 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,480 Speaker 3: way you deal with the bully is you stand up 639 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:18,719 Speaker 3: to them, and if they punch at you, you punch 640 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:20,880 Speaker 3: back at them. You don't run from them. And I 641 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,319 Speaker 3: think that's what you're gonna do now as Democrats. We 642 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,240 Speaker 3: have running from this guy. He's a bully, he's a liar, 643 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,280 Speaker 3: he's a cheetah. He doesn't care about the common, average 644 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,600 Speaker 3: day person. And we're going to stand up to him. 645 00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,400 Speaker 3: And just as he's blinked for ninety days, right now, 646 00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:35,640 Speaker 3: we're gonna make him blink. 647 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,200 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Representative Meets. 648 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:40,680 Speaker 3: Thank you for having me. Thank you for what you 649 00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:44,120 Speaker 3: do on a regular basis, delivering truth in the message 650 00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:45,600 Speaker 3: out there. Appreciate it. 651 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:52,880 Speaker 1: They no moment Jesse Cannon Smiley. 652 00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:58,800 Speaker 2: Todd Lyons, who is a US Immigration Agency head, says 653 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:03,400 Speaker 2: he wants to run deportations like Amazon Prime for human beings. 654 00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,840 Speaker 2: And well, if there's a sound in the background, that 655 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:08,880 Speaker 2: might be me tying the news for myself. 656 00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:13,719 Speaker 1: These people have squandered what little goodwill Americans have had 657 00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:17,120 Speaker 1: towards them, so, you know, they crash the markets for 658 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:21,359 Speaker 1: no reason. They're disappearing grad students. They're doing all of 659 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:25,480 Speaker 1: this incredibly. You know, they're just fucking with every part 660 00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,120 Speaker 1: of the federal government in the hopes of saving money 661 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:31,240 Speaker 1: so they can get a tax cut through. And now 662 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:35,960 Speaker 1: the ICE director wants to run deportations like Amazon Prime 663 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,880 Speaker 1: for human beings. You know, they're going to use this 664 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:42,399 Speaker 1: Alien Enemies Act. By the way, the fact that we're 665 00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,320 Speaker 1: not at war and the whole point of the Alien 666 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:50,400 Speaker 1: Enemies Act is a wartime power, and this fucking Supreme 667 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:55,200 Speaker 1: Court is letting them do it because Alito and Thomas 668 00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:59,799 Speaker 1: are Fox News anchors. It is just so annoying and 669 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:04,200 Speaker 1: so dispiriting, and that is our moment of Buck Ray. 670 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:09,399 Speaker 1: That's it for this episode of Fast Politics. Tune in 671 00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:15,160 Speaker 1: every Monday, Wednesday, Thursday and Saturday to hear the best 672 00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:19,520 Speaker 1: minds and politics make sense of all this chaos. If 673 00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:22,600 Speaker 1: you enjoy this podcast, please send it to a friend 674 00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:26,280 Speaker 1: and keep the conversation going. Thanks for listening.