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Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This he's Talking Cowboys

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Speaker 1: training live from the Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the

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Speaker 1: Star In Preschool, flowing to the gold Line, says and

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Speaker 1: now your hosts Isaiah Stanback, heck My Harrison, Rob Phillips,

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Speaker 1: and Kyle Yeoman's it's a Monday edition of Talking Cowboys

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Speaker 1: here from the s WBC Mortgage Studios and the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: coming off what was a bit of a heartbreaker last

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Speaker 1: night against the Pittsburgh Steelers, leading by ten heading into

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Speaker 1: the fourth quarter, but they couldn't hold off the charge

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Speaker 1: from now the eight and O Pittsburgh Steelers fifteen unanswered

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Speaker 1: fourth quarter points down the Cowboys and disproved I guess

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Speaker 1: disimproved their record to two and seven on the twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty campaign. Two and seven's no fun, no matter what,

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Speaker 1: it's really not fun at all. But we're gonna talk

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Speaker 1: about some of the positives, and absolutely we're gonna talk

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Speaker 1: about some of the negatives for the Cowboys yesterday and

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Speaker 1: the loss to the Pittsburgh Steelers. But first let me

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Speaker 1: introduce everybody. Isaiah stand Back, Rob Phillips, heck Harrison, I'm

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Speaker 1: Kyle Yeoman's and guys, there's a lot to unpack in

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Speaker 1: this one. You've got really probably the best effort of

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Speaker 1: the year out of all three phases. Probably your best

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Speaker 1: offensive game since Dak Prescott was hurt. You had the

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Speaker 1: best defensive outing that I think you've had all season long.

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Speaker 1: Same thing with special teams who actually almost won you

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Speaker 1: the game on a couple different occasions. But ultimately there's

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Speaker 1: a lot to get into. Rob. You were the one

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Speaker 1: that was actually in the building. What were your thoughts

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Speaker 1: yesterday and what stuck out to you? Well, I want

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Speaker 1: to throw something out to the panel to my guys,

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Speaker 1: tell me if I'm being too optimistic about Sunday. Okay,

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Speaker 1: where you guys like this? Where do you guys stand

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Speaker 1: on moral victories in professional football? Oh? That's um man.

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Speaker 1: I think moral victories are softer than baby poop. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think, I mean, if you're just looking forward at this,

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Speaker 1: I think I think my answer. You're paying guys to

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Speaker 1: do a job, and I understand that. You know, the

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Speaker 1: narrative on the football scene is the sixteen games, and

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Speaker 1: it's long, but you know there are sometimes where you

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Speaker 1: could say I guess in my in my in my marriage,

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Speaker 1: I have moral victories, but I don't see any moral

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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know. That's the only way I

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Speaker 1: that there was a place for moral victories in football. Okay,

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Speaker 1: softer than baby Poop wrote that down. That's pretty soft, uh,

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Speaker 1: and more moral victories? No, Um, Can you take things

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Speaker 1: your season. Yes, on paper, you're not supposed to be

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Speaker 1: in the ball game with those guys. You just you

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Speaker 1: just not, Um, the way those guys have been playing,

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Speaker 1: the way we've been playing, you're not, regardless of your

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Speaker 1: professionals or not, that's a better team right now, just period,

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Speaker 1: point blank. Um. You could say, you know, they got professions,

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Speaker 1: We got professions all day long, but they're just better. Um.

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Speaker 1: But there are a lot of positives that came from

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Speaker 1: this game, as you mentioned, a ton of positives, and

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Speaker 1: you and you take those positives along with the negatives,

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Speaker 1: right and you you you you analyze them, you self

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Speaker 1: critique them. Um, you face them face to face, and

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Speaker 1: then you say, guess what this is where we did

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Speaker 1: good and we need to continue to do this well

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Speaker 1: and this is where we have to get better going forward.

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Speaker 1: But morally nah, because because as a competitor, you want

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Speaker 1: to win that game. But in terms of when you

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Speaker 1: other aspects of the game, yeah, you should feel good

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Speaker 1: about the direction that you're going in. Yeah, Zeke said

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Speaker 1: after the game. There's no moral victories, and so I'll

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Speaker 1: like based on the bar that has been set through

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Speaker 1: given the lack of production, it's not a victory. And look,

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Speaker 1: the first the first season I ever covered the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: famous for saying you are what your record says you are.

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Speaker 1: They're two and seven. It's a bad season, there's no

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Speaker 1: in a way it was a victory for Mike McCarthy's program.

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Speaker 1: Kind of to your point, Isaiah, that going into the

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Speaker 1: this team, it was going to be in all three phases,

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Speaker 1: and you saw more from all three phases. I mean

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Speaker 1: special teams Rico down or where you've been my whole life, bro,

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Speaker 1: I mean just everything that we saw. It's just we

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Speaker 1: But I'm sure we'll talk about that also. But it

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Speaker 1: was a lot of a lot of things to be

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Speaker 1: Man Neville Gallimore, the third round pick, come on with it.

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Speaker 1: I like that. I mean Neville Gallimore, he made a

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Speaker 1: bleep on the radar and Randy Gregory Man. Randy Gregory Man,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna put him on my prayer list because this

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Speaker 1: guy is playing lights out. He's doing a great job

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Speaker 1: as far as getting to the quarterback, applying that pressure

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Speaker 1: not only on the past but also in the run.

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Speaker 1: There's so much to be proud of from a defensive

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Speaker 1: I just I just want to see a sign of life,

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Speaker 1: go off of what Robins said, and rob brought it

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Speaker 1: at least record wise, with your fourth string quarterback. So yeah, no, no,

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Speaker 1: starting to rise, and you're starting to see a turn

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Speaker 1: the Washington football team a week later, you were saying,

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Speaker 1: what is happening in Dallas because Mike McCarthy apparently doesn't

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Speaker 1: the energy and the improvement has been there, Isaiah, and

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Speaker 1: hat off to all three coordinators, offensive, defensive, and special team.

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Speaker 1: They all they all brought their eight game and so

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Speaker 1: many times they get overlooked on the positive end of things,

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Speaker 1: I mean, they've had their fair share from all of

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Speaker 1: You know, we challenged Kellen Moore in terms of his

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Speaker 1: He's aggressive, he's relentless, um, he doesn't care. He has

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Speaker 1: a short memory. And hats off to coach McCarthy for

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Speaker 1: Most coaches would be like, the heck is wrong with you?

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Speaker 1: Monday after a twenty four nineteen loss to the Pittsburgh Steelers,

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Speaker 1: Cowboys now at two and seven, the Steelers, the only

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Speaker 1: undefeated team in the NFL, now at eight n O,

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Speaker 1: securing what is their seventeenth straight non losing season for

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Speaker 1: the Steelers, fourteen of those with Mike Tomlin, who is

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Speaker 1: still now undefeated against Mike McCarthy in the regular season.

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Speaker 1: But McCarthy got him in the Super Bowl, so I

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Speaker 1: guess that's good for coach. But lots to talk about.

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Speaker 1: In this game from yesterday and including the latter parts

435
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Speaker 1: of the game, we saw some key mistakes and some

436
00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:24,080
Speaker 1: key penalties that cost the defense, who had their best

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Speaker 1: game of the year. We have already talked about that

438
00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,800
Speaker 1: cost the defense a couple chances to get off the

439
00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,800
Speaker 1: field and rob Whenever you look at some of these penalties,

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys personnel wives and I mean we heard it

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Speaker 1: from Jalen Smith yesterday, didn't like it. It thought that

442
00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 1: they were kind of bogus penalties. What did you think

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Speaker 1: about the calls, especially whenever it comes to the hands

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Speaker 1: to the face, the pass interference and then even the

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00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:49,240
Speaker 1: latent vander esh quote unquote punch, but it really wasn't

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Speaker 1: a punch. It was more of a slap. Yeah, I

447
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Speaker 1: mean it's what the ref saw. He saw him slap

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Speaker 1: him on the helmet. I don't know if he really saw,

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00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,960
Speaker 1: uh the Steelers player kind of grabbing his you know,

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Speaker 1: pushing his face. So, you know, I think it's what

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Speaker 1: the ref saw at that time. As far as the

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00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:12,679
Speaker 1: Jalen plays thought, the first one, the holding call, uh

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Speaker 1: was was pretty questionable in my opinion. But by the rule,

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Speaker 1: if you if you if you grab the player, then

455
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 1: they're they're probably gonna call it. Same thing with the PI.

456
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 1: If you hit the quarterback in this day and age

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Speaker 1: in the head, no matter whether it's intentional or not,

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Speaker 1: they're gonna call it. And I correct me if I'm wrong. Guys,

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00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:33,640
Speaker 1: I don't feel like this is the first time that's

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00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,320
Speaker 1: happened to Jalen where he's rushing and he and he's

461
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 1: gotten called for a similar type play and so that's

462
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 1: been on tape, and so it happened, and that's kind

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Speaker 1: of by the letter of the law kind of thing,

464
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,280
Speaker 1: and and that's why they made the call. So especially

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Speaker 1: with the Hall of Fame quarterback, they're probably gonna call

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Speaker 1: that play. They're gonna call it. Yeah, there's a there's

467
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,639
Speaker 1: a percentage of guys in the NFL that you can't touch.

468
00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:58,760
Speaker 1: I mean, you got to sack them just the right way.

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Speaker 1: And it makes me sick the way that the rules

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00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 1: have changed the game, uh these I mean and also

471
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Speaker 1: being sold to hell out of the call also. But

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Speaker 1: you can't do it. You can't touch it, you can't know,

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00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:14,919
Speaker 1: you can't have hands to the face, you can't be

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00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,200
Speaker 1: blocked to a guy's legs. Or any of that that

475
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 1: they're gonna call rough. In the past, the passing ofference

476
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 1: one as questionable, you know, it was, and they've called

477
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Speaker 1: some worse ones and they had no calls on other ones.

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Speaker 1: I just didn't feel like it was as malicious a call.

479
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:32,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I thought Claypool felt that's just the way

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Speaker 1: that it looked. I've rewinded, I've looked at it, but

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Speaker 1: he sold it really well. But that's the thing about Jalen.

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Speaker 1: He has just been on the end of some horrible calls,

483
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 1: and you know, and we've been at the Cowboys that

484
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,200
Speaker 1: have been at the end of some horrible calls period,

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Speaker 1: you know. But you know, if it goes back to

486
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Speaker 1: the face masks and Cleveland that continues to drive the

487
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 1: Layton Vanderesh one that you know, look, man, you got

488
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:59,360
Speaker 1: teams that are just straight up just trying to They're

489
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 1: just trying to have up that way with us. And

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00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,400
Speaker 1: this guy has his hand up on the Vaderesh's neck

491
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,119
Speaker 1: and he's trying to swipe this guy's hand away and

492
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,440
Speaker 1: they called fifteen yards. That takes that three and out

493
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 1: all the momentum that we were gaining as a defense.

494
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 1: Those penalties just wiped us out and allowed for the

495
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,880
Speaker 1: offense could two continue drives, And so people are gonna

496
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 1: feel and jump on Jalen and say, look, man, he's

497
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:22,919
Speaker 1: and deservedly so you know, he's been a part of

498
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 1: some back halls, some mistackles, back coverage, all of that,

499
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,120
Speaker 1: but man, a lot of that. To me, I looked

500
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 1: at it, it's just man, Rothlisberger sold it. And obviously

501
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 1: you can't. You can't hit a quarterback in the head.

502
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 1: That's just those are the rules, Isaiah. Before you get

503
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 1: started here, this is kind of surprising to me because

504
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 1: at least with you and I yesterday during post game,

505
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,120
Speaker 1: and we were in there with Nate Newton and Barry

506
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 1: Church as well, but it was a very different feel

507
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,679
Speaker 1: on what the penalties meant and what they kind of

508
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,160
Speaker 1: showed with this team. I mean, Robin and Heckman both

509
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 1: agree that there's a lot of controversy with the calls,

510
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Speaker 1: and I think there was controversy period, But at some

511
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 1: point there's got to be some accountability, right absolutely, And um,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'll double back on what I what I

513
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 1: said yesterday. First of all, I have to if anybody

514
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 1: doesn't know what I said yesterday, you got to go

515
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 1: back and watch the OT. I think we got to

516
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:17,400
Speaker 1: broke it down on the website. But UM, I pretty much.

517
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Speaker 1: I I commented on Jaylen Smith following following his comments

518
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Speaker 1: UM in a postgame interview, and I have to I

519
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,199
Speaker 1: have to clear up some things. My mom got on

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00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 1: my head this morning because she saw it. But I

521
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 1: opened up my response by saying, you know respond, you know,

522
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 1: act like a man. And when I said that, I

523
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 1: meant how he presented himself in the post game. Everybody

524
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 1: has their own opinions on how you present yourself after

525
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 1: a game. You know, my procession how I've always been taught.

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00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,399
Speaker 1: You know, this stem from coach Willingham, is when you

527
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 1: step up to the podium and you're not only representing yourself,

528
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 1: but you're representing your teammates and you're representing the entire organization.

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Speaker 1: So I was I was displeased to how he present

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Speaker 1: into himself. So that's when I made that comment. So

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00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 1: let me clear that up. UM. As we started talking

532
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 1: about some of these things, some of these penalties and

533
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:10,679
Speaker 1: an accountability to too much yesterday, UM not only just

534
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 1: Jalen UM, I think I think UM we also heard

535
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:18,880
Speaker 1: it from UM why can I think right now? Um

536
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 1: defensive end um yeah, yeah from from law yeah, from

537
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,400
Speaker 1: the law dog. He complained about the referees a lot

538
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 1: as well. Listen up. The penalties are penalties, right, And

539
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 1: I recognize that people are fans and there's a lot

540
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 1: of emotions, and you know how I am. Heck, I

541
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 1: take the emotion out of it. I don't care right, Um,

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00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,639
Speaker 1: it was it was a penalty, bro Um. It was

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00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 1: a penalty. And you know with Claypool's two hundred and

544
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 1: forty pounds, you hit them, You hit them after five yards,

545
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 1: you hit them. It is what it is. You don't

546
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 1: like it, you don't have to like it, but the

547
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 1: rules say and I don't. I as a player, I

548
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,159
Speaker 1: didn't always like the rules. As a former player, I

549
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 1: don't always like the rules, especially with the way the

550
00:27:58,160 --> 00:27:59,919
Speaker 1: game's gone. The game is a lot more softer than

551
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 1: out than it ever was. Right. But you hit him right,

552
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 1: and then you go into the hands of the face. Right,

553
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 1: you hit Ben Roethlisberger in the face, his helmet turned.

554
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 1: His helmet turn wasn't intentional every time? By no means

555
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 1: was it intentional. But guess what it doesn't say if

556
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 1: you do this intently that that that you get a penalty.

557
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 1: It says if you hit him in the face, you

558
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,120
Speaker 1: get a penalty, so that or if that's the fact

559
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 1: so and then the LVEE, I know you just talked

560
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: about it. Heck in terms of dude, push him first.

561
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 1: Listen up. These are all men playing the game. But

562
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 1: these are all grown men playing the game, right, and

563
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 1: these guys all have pride. Lv E made a heck

564
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 1: of a play. He came up, got a great hit, boom,

565
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 1: stuck him on the ground, drove him into the ground.

566
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 1: There is a very distinct and a very fine line

567
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 1: of making a good play and letting that turn into hey,

568
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 1: I tackled you and I'm about to get up versus

569
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 1: I tackled you. I tackled you and I'm about to

570
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 1: punk you. And'll let you know that I that I

571
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 1: did this to you. Right, Yeah, you're gonna take this.

572
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 1: I'm putting you in the ground, and LVEE cross stay

573
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: in line. It was a split second. It's a split

574
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 1: second and when that happened, you saw the tackle, and

575
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 1: it'll be kind of give him a little extra like, yeah, boy,

576
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: as a man, as a man, get off me, right,

577
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 1: get off me right, and that's what you saw. What

578
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: LVE can't do is respond that is a lack of

579
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 1: emotional intelligence. When you react like that in that situation.

580
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: There there's a no win situation. There's no point in

581
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 1: any game where you're gonna be a defender and you're

582
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 1: gonna be able to hit somebody, hit down on somebody

583
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 1: while you're over them, right, while you're straddling them, and

584
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 1: you think that you're not gonna get called for that.

585
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 1: It's just not a reality. It doesn't matter if you

586
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 1: like it. It doesn't matter if you think the call

587
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 1: was bs'. It's not gonna work to your advantage. And

588
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: I don't think there's anybody that can come out here

589
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 1: and argue that if you straddle a man and you

590
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 1: push down on him or whether you're hitting his hand,

591
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 1: hitting his fingernail, I don't care what you're hitting if

592
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 1: you swing down on him, regardless of it was intent

593
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 1: to hit him or not, which it was. It it

594
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 1: was open hand slap, but it came across like you

595
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 1: got he was punching them. You're not gonna win that.

596
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 1: So when you go into the post game and these

597
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: guys try to blame everything out of referees. It's soft

598
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 1: to me, it's soft, just like heck it said it was.

599
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,479
Speaker 1: It was baby baby poop. This is softest tissue paper, right,

600
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 1: I'm talking about. This is a man, This is like

601
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 1: this is this is like the public bathroom toilet paper. Right,

602
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 1: and you can see you can see through it, right,

603
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: you can see through it. You take it, You take

604
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 1: accountability for what you did. And I hate and I

605
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 1: I don't want to say hey, because that's a strong word.

606
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: I very much have a distaste for people who don't

607
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 1: take accountability. As a player. They are plays to this

608
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,479
Speaker 1: day that haunt me as a as a former quarterback

609
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 1: in college. Right, it's plays in this to this day

610
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: in my players that I've had in the NFL that

611
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: haunt me to this day because not only did they

612
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 1: hurt me in my resume, man, because I put it

613
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 1: on film, but they hurt my team, right, they hurt

614
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 1: my team. Those penalties hurt them. So the first thing

615
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do is say it's on me. It's on me,

616
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Speaker 1: and guess what, I'm gonna get it wrecked it even

617
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: if I don't agree with it, Guess what, I'm gonna

618
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 1: take a look at it, and I'm gonna make sure

619
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Speaker 1: that this doesn't happen again so that I'm ensued that

620
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 1: I don't hurt myself or my teammates and my organization

621
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 1: going forward. Don't place to blame on somebody else. That's

622
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: a cop out, man, And that was my response. That

623
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 1: was my sentiments yesterday and today. What LV did wasn't

624
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 1: like dunking on a guy and putting your shorts on

625
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: his head. Oh yeah, man, Patrick, man Like, it wasn't

626
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 1: like it wasn't like that he made his tackle. It

627
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 1: wasn't like he pushed the guy back into the ground.

628
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: Come off the gas. I said, come on, let me

629
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 1: frame it like this. Heck, if little Heck got tackled

630
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: like that, and another and another, another little boy stayed

631
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 1: on him and was like like, gave a little extra

632
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 1: you're gonna be like, Heck, you break get up now.

633
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 1: See my son is roguish. So my son, we'd have

634
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 1: got thrown out of the game and all that. So

635
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: exactly like the way you got things going on over here,

636
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: we've been different. That would have been a teachable moment.

637
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 1: But if Heck was getting paid hundreds of thousands of

638
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Speaker 1: dollars a game, look and and look cut all that out. Man.

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Speaker 1: I'm saying is that wasn't egregious. And for that guy

640
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Speaker 1: to put his hand under Layton Vanderess got like that,

641
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: he got his arms underneath and he was like, get

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Speaker 1: off me. All I'm saying is they called it they

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Speaker 1: killed with That was for us. I think that was

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Speaker 1: the three and that we had done everything defensively that

645
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Speaker 1: we needed to do. That was something to celebrate in

646
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 1: a fifteen yard penalty continues to drive. If you're talking

647
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Speaker 1: about emotional intelligence just situational awareness, I get you. I

648
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Speaker 1: feel you, okay, But at the same time, we have

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Speaker 1: teams coming into at and T Stadium or when we're

650
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Speaker 1: on the road that think they could just have their

651
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Speaker 1: way with us dog. And if Layton Vanderess is like

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Speaker 1: na Stadio little lass down here, then I'm support that, right,

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Speaker 1: but at the same support you and then I have

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Speaker 1: it and if that's the case. And if that's the case,

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Speaker 1: then I understand your point. But I didn't feel as

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Speaker 1: though it was like that. I think that his swiping

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Speaker 1: his hand away was like, come on, bro, you can't

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Speaker 1: just have your hand under my face mask. I guess

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Speaker 1: and guess and guess what I don't and I don't

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Speaker 1: disagree with you in that right. That's anybody's response. However,

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Speaker 1: the emotional intelligence and understanding the situation that you're not

662
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Speaker 1: going to win, that you're not going to win, that

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Speaker 1: it doesn't matter you're not. This isn't an about my

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Speaker 1: manhood at that moment. I did my job right in

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Speaker 1: terms of me protecting my manhood and my pride. I

666
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Speaker 1: did what I was supposed to do. Now, guess what

667
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 1: you swinging at me. I expect that. But what I

668
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 1: can't do is react to that right because now I'm

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Speaker 1: upon it, you're controlling me. He didn't have his shorts

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Speaker 1: on his head, man, that's all. Yeah, you know, I

671
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 1: think what Isaiah's saying. You know, there are so many

672
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Speaker 1: plays that are things that are called through the course

673
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Speaker 1: of the game. Things have a way of evening out.

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Speaker 1: There was a potential PI on the Cowboys defense that

675
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Speaker 1: wasn't called early in the game. So yeah, I mean,

676
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Speaker 1: you can't put it all on the refs. I would say,

677
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Speaker 1: as much as this defense has struggled this year and

678
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 1: you're this close to knocking off an unbeaten team, I

679
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Speaker 1: understand the frustration. Immediately after the game. But Isaiah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I agree with you in terms of it's not the

681
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Speaker 1: refs that beat you. And the thing about it is,

682
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: when you look back at this game, there's so much

683
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: to build off of, there's so much to be positive

684
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Speaker 1: about the spite of loss. But ultimately they kind of

685
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 1: lost in the same ways they've lost games when you

686
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 1: really think about it. They had penalties that cost them,

687
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Speaker 1: and they lost the turnover battle once again. They gave

688
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Speaker 1: up six points off of two turnovers and lost by

689
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Speaker 1: five points. And that's that's frustrating too. There's one thing

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Speaker 1: that my dad always told me, and we've already talked

691
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Speaker 1: about Isaiah's mom. We've talked about heck of A's son.

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Speaker 1: So I'm going to bring my family into it first

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694
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695
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Speaker 1: very quickly. And I think we've been waiting to see

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Speaker 1: the energy. We've been waiting to see the fight, and

697
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Speaker 1: I use that word intentionally from this defense and from

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Speaker 1: this sideline for the Cowboys, Well we got it. We

699
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 1: got the energy, We've got the fight. We've seen that

700
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Speaker 1: against Philadelphia, We've now seen it against Pittsburgh. But you

701
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Speaker 1: got to use it in the right spot. And I

702
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,320
Speaker 1: think that's what Isaiah's saying. I think he was on

703
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704
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 1: and you gotta know where your team is and who

705
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Speaker 1: you're playing against. At the same time. That wasn't the Eagles,

706
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Speaker 1: that wasn't the Washington football team or the New York

707
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Speaker 1: Giants that you've seen earlier in the year. Wasn't even

708
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Speaker 1: the Atlanta Falcons. That was the Pittsburgh freakin Steelers who

709
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,439
Speaker 1: were seven and ozero and in your house. You gotta

710
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Speaker 1: know the situational levitation or a situation at whatever the

711
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Speaker 1: word may be. You gotta have the rights mindset in

712
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 1: that very moment or else that energy is gonna get

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Speaker 1: to you. And I think it did a little bit.

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Speaker 1: It was still a tiki tack call. I completely agree

715
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Speaker 1: with all three of you guys, But overall, you gotta

716
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Speaker 1: know whether or not you can retaliate like that. And

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Speaker 1: Layton Vanderesh costs his team fifteen yards in a crucial

718
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Speaker 1: moment of the football game. Now when we come back,

719
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Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about even less than the yard. We're

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Speaker 1: Rob alluded to a little bit earlier. Was that something

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Speaker 1: will join me. Isaiah will move his way later in

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Speaker 1: the day to the break. He'll be Oh, yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: I'm just shifting you around. It's it's not why do

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Speaker 1: Does that mean we have to do saying with the

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Speaker 1: That's what I want to see. I'm gonna do my

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Speaker 1: best do it. Just make it happen for me. Oh, heck,

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Speaker 1: were you on the show with with Mickey at one

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Speaker 1: point we're talking right at the beginning of this. I

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Speaker 1: And man, I mean Mickey, Mickey would come into the studio,

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Speaker 1: go into the final couple minutes here of talking Cowboys

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Speaker 1: and whenever you talked about Rob the fourth down controversy

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Speaker 1: and Mike McCarthy's gonna be questioned about this. I thought

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Speaker 1: it was the right call. We had some disagreement and

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Speaker 1: and inches deep in your opponent's territory, whether or not

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Speaker 1: to go for it as you're up by seven, or

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00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 1: kick the field goal and make it two possessions. I'm

813
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 1: interested to see what you guys thought, especially Rob. You

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Speaker 1: brought it up earlier as a controversy. Did you think

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00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: understood the logic at the time. As I said, I

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00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 1: was surprised that he did it, and I expected him

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Speaker 1: to go for it because I think that's something we've

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00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 1: seen McCarthy do. He's been aggressive in situations like that.

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Speaker 1: He trusted his defense in that regard. They did play

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Speaker 1: well last night, but you are playing against a Hall

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Speaker 1: of Fame, future Hall of Fame quarterback who that last

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Speaker 1: touchdown drive when they got to the four minutes. That's

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Speaker 1: Ben Roethlisberger has done that a hundred times in his career,

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Speaker 1: and he was able to be productive and found a

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Speaker 1: Savon Smith comes in at cornerback. It was almost like

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Speaker 1: Ben said, oh, you're new in the game, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go at you two or three times, and

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Speaker 1: who you're up against, you play conservative in that situation. Late, Yes,

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Speaker 1: I was. I just wanted to mention Rob that he

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Speaker 1: was on one leg. He wasn't he was? He was, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we did. It was flashbacks to the Packer playoff game, wasn't.

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty I'm pretty sure he sprained his mcl on

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Speaker 1: that play. Just saying yeah, I wasn't surprised. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh still a defense. These guys have been balling out.

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Speaker 1: Take the points, you know, I mean, your your inches,

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Speaker 1: no matter what I mean, guys did y'all see the

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Speaker 1: way Cameron Hayward was man handling the left side of

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Speaker 1: our offensive lineman. Who's on the left side. Look, look,

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Speaker 1: let's let's just say this. You have you hey, I know,

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Speaker 1: they did defensively on our left side. But you know,

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Speaker 1: I think they took the points, and a lot of

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Speaker 1: people would have preferred them. What do you have to lose?

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Speaker 1: Is the going mantra here that on that decision. But

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Speaker 1: I didn't have a problem with it. No, I agree.

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Speaker 1: I think I told Kyll that in studio. Take the points, man.

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Speaker 1: You don't want to You don't want to give those

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Speaker 1: guys that momentum, and your old line is not better

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Speaker 1: than their defensive line, and you're running back hasn't been

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Speaker 1: running as efficient as effectively as you like them to be.

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Speaker 1: So you take those points, no brainer. Yeah. I think

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Speaker 1: the one that I really didn't understand that people were

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Speaker 1: mad about was early in the game. Where they were

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Speaker 1: like inside their own thirty Hell no, I mean why

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Speaker 1: would you put I mean, all we've talked about all

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Speaker 1: season long was you're putting your defense in bad spots

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Speaker 1: with turnovers. Why would you risk that that early in

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Speaker 1: the game. I think I think the one we just

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Speaker 1: talked about you could question more than that one. And

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Speaker 1: even with the way that things turned out, I mean,

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Speaker 1: you gave up fifteen unanswered points in the fourth quarter.

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Speaker 1: If you went and went down and scored, you would

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Speaker 1: have only been up by fourteen. So either way, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I know you would have only needed a field goal

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Speaker 1: there at the end, and I guess that does count

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Speaker 1: for something. But regardless, things didn't necessarily work out for

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Speaker 1: you down the stretch like you thought it would whenever

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Speaker 1: you kick that field goal. Initially I thought, you take

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Speaker 1: the points. You don't know how many chances you're gonna

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Speaker 1: get to be back that deep in the territory. And

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Speaker 1: not to mention it is an extra possession. It went

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Speaker 1: from one possession to two possessions, and I think that's

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Speaker 1: something that's that you can hang your hat on from

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Speaker 1: a coaching staff perspective, saying, hey, let's distance ourselves a

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Speaker 1: little bit going into the fourth quarter and hopefully our

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Speaker 1: defense continues to do what they've been doing, and that's

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Speaker 1: exactly what they made the decision on, but it just

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00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,800
Speaker 1: didn't work out for the Cowboys twenty four nineteen the

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Speaker 1: loss yesterday. So that's gonna do it here for Talking

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Speaker 1: Cowboys on this Monday once again. Not the same crew

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00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 1: tomorrow on Talking same time though, nine thirty in the morning.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be so sad. We won't be back until

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Speaker 1: next Monday and we can start talking about really the

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Speaker 1: first half of the season. I'm gonna bring some fire

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Speaker 1: questions next Monday, since we won't have a game to

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Speaker 1: break down, We're gonna get into some some future stuff

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Speaker 1: for the Cowboys. We're also going to talk about maybe

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Speaker 1: some personnel changes coming up as well, which will be

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Speaker 1: fun with some of these young guys making their names.

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Speaker 1: Uh be heard, Hey Kyle, Hey Kyle, what's that? Kyle?

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Speaker 1: And Rob and Rob pick pick Washington too. By the way,

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Speaker 1: uh Friday doing albums. You guys over You guys overruled me.

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Speaker 1: You guys overruled men. The g men stand up. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's true. He did get that one. Okay, how about that?

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Speaker 1: Oh man? That's interesting about those giants. Man, the giants

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Speaker 1: saving Rob a game, So that's kind of fun. But everybody,

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Speaker 1: have a great week if you're joining us now. I

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Speaker 1: don't even know what I'm about to say. I got

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Speaker 1: thrown off by Heckman talking at the end, but appreciate

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Speaker 1: you guys for joining us. For heck Ma Harrison, Rob Phillips,

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Speaker 1: I stand back in for Chris Beam in the back

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Speaker 1: up Kyle Yeoman saying so long for talking Cowboys. We'll

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Speaker 1: see you tomorrow look up. This has been a production

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