Speaker 1: Look man, oh, I see you my old line and
Speaker 1: look over there. How is that culture? Yees? Goodness ding dong.
Speaker 1: Last Culturalista's calling he Oscar weekend. It just happened. It
Speaker 1: kind of came and went, didn't it. I feel it's
Speaker 1: been so long every year when the oscars are over,
Speaker 1: I'm like, well that was long, like even last night.
Speaker 1: Well we'll get into it. But the result was very positive.
Speaker 1: I feel for this podcast at least I agree. I agree,
Speaker 1: very happy with the result. But I must confess that
Speaker 1: I did not watch the ceremony transit. I was in transit.
Speaker 1: I was asleep. You know, it's tough. I didn't realize
Speaker 1: that people east of America have it a little bit tough,
Speaker 1: just past the Atlantic Ocean. It's the time zones are
Speaker 1: tough for live television. Oh yeah, it's so hard. Well,
Speaker 1: LA really makes it all about them, you know, would
Speaker 1: you use LA live shows? They say we're getting in
Speaker 1: at five on the dot, we're getting out by eight thirty.
Speaker 1: And so the length of the oscars really doesn't perturb anyone.
Speaker 1: But then if you are New Yorker or eastward, you
Speaker 1: are up until the wee hours watching this very long
Speaker 1: ceremony and what I would call a very long season
Speaker 1: of campaigning, the length of it all. The Oscars truly
Speaker 1: are a marathon. Yes, that's a rule of culture number
Speaker 1: fifty seven. Yes, the Oscars a marathon. I did watch.
Speaker 1: I watched with a large group of people, and I
Speaker 1: will say that it was extremely loud at the party
Speaker 1: I was at. I could not hear a lot of
Speaker 1: what was happening, but certainly we stopped for some select speeches.
Speaker 1: We basked in Michelle Yoe's glory Friend of the Pod.
Speaker 1: It's incredible to say Michelle yo has won an Academy Award,
Speaker 1: making history and rightfully so I mean, come on, come on,
Speaker 1: let me just quickly backtrack. You said you were an
Speaker 1: allowed Oscars party. Yeah, this is actually gonna be a
Speaker 1: requirement for me in future years. No more than four people, Yeah,
Speaker 1: no more than four people on Oscar Sunday because I
Speaker 1: need to be watching because what happened last year at
Speaker 1: the Oscars. I was at a big party, really hated it,
Speaker 1: could not hear what was going on. Yeah, God, I
Speaker 1: was home alone when the slap happened because I could
Speaker 1: just experience the shock for myself. If I had been
Speaker 1: in that room, it would have been chaos and I
Speaker 1: would not have been able to process. Yeah, here we are,
Speaker 1: we're all trying to sit and bask in the glory.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, was everyone like we have to have
Speaker 1: to have to hear what Jimmy Kimmel has to say. No,
Speaker 1: but I want to hear what Jimmy Kimmel has to say. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: I want to see how he approaches hosting duties. In
Speaker 1: this very opportune year for that show. It feels like
Speaker 1: a year to really go back to basics, go back
Speaker 1: to tradition, embrace tradition even and reject modernity, which it
Speaker 1: seemed like people really liked. Again. I say this as
Speaker 1: someone who did not watch the actual show, but I
Speaker 1: watched the monologue. Yea perfectly fine monologue, and perfectly fine
Speaker 1: is maybe what we need. Yeah, you do just miss
Speaker 1: the days though, when you had someone like a Billy Crystal,
Speaker 1: like a Whippie Goldberg, really holding it down like it
Speaker 1: was the reason I tuned in even as a kid.
Speaker 1: I guess it's different now as like a movie ticket
Speaker 1: paying adults. Yeah, yeah, I mean I think that they
Speaker 1: were just so nervous after last year. They had to
Speaker 1: keep it completely like this is going to be by
Speaker 1: the book even like it just didn't feel like there
Speaker 1: was any And I say this, I don't say this
Speaker 1: as a pejorative, but there was no edge to the monologue,
Speaker 1: which probably was good. We needed a light atmosphere, and
Speaker 1: I was curious how they were going to discuss the slap.
Speaker 1: I thought the slap part of the monologue was probably
Speaker 1: the strongest part. I loved the panning around to the crowd,
Speaker 1: you know, everyone was involved, etc. And the jokes did work.
Speaker 1: I mean, there were very few jokes that I thought
Speaker 1: didn't work. I mean I think he kind of bailed
Speaker 1: on that joke about the women directors as he was
Speaker 1: saying yeah, yeah, kind of like his heart wasn't in it.
Speaker 1: But overall, I thought, like, yeah, absolutely, like we got
Speaker 1: off to the start. You know what I'm saying. Mmm,
Speaker 1: I have to say, I am going to be very honest.
Speaker 1: I feel like I am in a takeless state of
Speaker 1: being right now. I have nothing to really offer. I
Speaker 1: am not really consuming much of the culture, I am
Speaker 1: not really forming opinions about much of the culture, and
Speaker 1: this is not fun topic of conversation. I'm like, really, really,
Speaker 1: really spent and it's not fun to talk about, Like
Speaker 1: it's not interesting for me to talk about being tired.
Speaker 1: It's the least interesting thing for anyone to say. But
Speaker 1: this is like reaching a new level. And I'm sorry
Speaker 1: that I'm bringing this into the chat. I wish I
Speaker 1: had like a fun and excitement to bring during a
Speaker 1: time like this when it's like a great Oscars that
Speaker 1: like celebrated a lot of very populous movies and we
Speaker 1: had so many people to root for, and that things
Speaker 1: kind of came out in a very nice deserving way
Speaker 1: in the end. But yeah, I am like empty mind,
Speaker 1: Well looking for you. I've had nothing but time, and
Speaker 1: I have experienced much culture. So maybe this episode is
Speaker 1: me saying things and you're reacting at any energy level
Speaker 1: you want to give by because I have tons to say. Okay,
Speaker 1: So the Academy awards everything everywhere all at once, pretty
Speaker 1: much swept history, making the most Oscars above the line
Speaker 1: that we've had in the ninety five year history of
Speaker 1: this ceremony were one by one film, everything everywhere, all
Speaker 1: at once. And would you say that this is a
Speaker 1: historic time for people using the term above the line,
Speaker 1: I would say never before, and certainly in the last
Speaker 1: twenty four hours. The words above the line have been
Speaker 1: used so many times. Some people even know what they're
Speaker 1: talking about when they're using the words above the line.
Speaker 1: Usually they don't. And I've heard above the line said
Speaker 1: so many times in the last twenty four hours as well. Yes, well,
Speaker 1: above the line oscars meaning you know your best picture,
Speaker 1: your acting categories, you're directing, you know your screenplay categories.
Speaker 1: So we had everything everywhere, all at once, win Best Picture,
Speaker 1: Best Director for Daniels, Best Actress Michelleo, Best Supporting Actor
Speaker 1: Keyway Kwan, Best Supporting Actress Jamie Lee Curtis in a
Speaker 1: race that really upsets some people, and I'm gonna get
Speaker 1: into it, Best Original Screenplay in what was also a
Speaker 1: tight race, and just on down the line, everything everywe
Speaker 1: all at once, a film that we absolutely love, that's right,
Speaker 1: and Champions that's right, took it simply all the way home,
Speaker 1: took it simply all the way home. And it feels
Speaker 1: like everyone was really on board for all of its
Speaker 1: wins except for Best Supporting Actress. Yes, I found it
Speaker 1: so interesting the first time ever in Oscar's history that
Speaker 1: one single studio dominated won all the again above the
Speaker 1: line Awards. So with Brendan Fraser winning for The Whale,
Speaker 1: that means that a twenty four, for the first time
Speaker 1: in Oscar's history, swept above the encounter. Now, let's talk
Speaker 1: about this Jamie Lee Curtis thing. Well, before we get
Speaker 1: to Jamie Lee Curtis, I just want to say, if
Speaker 1: you put a gun to my head and said I
Speaker 1: had to watch the Whale, I'd say pull the trigger.
Speaker 1: I won't do it. You cannot get me to watch
Speaker 1: the Whale. Whenever I see even a clip from The Whale,
Speaker 1: I am so deeply hurt, distressed, and offended by everything
Speaker 1: about it. And I'm not even just talking about like
Speaker 1: the absolutely just McCobb like performance of like of Sadie's sank, Yeah,
Speaker 1: of Sadie's sink exactly. It really hurts me. It hurts
Speaker 1: my heart and my spirit. The score that plays during
Speaker 1: every clip that they show that movie looks so wild
Speaker 1: to me. And even though it is an Academy Award
Speaker 1: winning film. With a gun to my head, if you
Speaker 1: said watch the Whale, I'd say, Mama, here, let me
Speaker 1: help you and we pull the trigger together. I will
Speaker 1: not watch it. I can't believe that's an Oscar winning movie.
Speaker 1: More than once. You can read many pieces by Roxanne
Speaker 1: Gay Guy Brand, like many people have much more eloquent
Speaker 1: things than me to say about this, but just no,
Speaker 1: I stand with everyone who is like, absolutely fucked that film.
Speaker 1: Never in my life, not even with a gun to
Speaker 1: my head. Please pull the trigger. So that's what I
Speaker 1: have to say about the Whale. Did you see the whale?
Speaker 1: I did not see the way I share your sentiments,
Speaker 1: and so we can just sort of move on from
Speaker 1: the whale, which is something I'm happy to do talking
Speaker 1: about this Jamie Lee Curtis of it all. Now, when
Speaker 1: you watch everything everywhere, all at once, did you think,
Speaker 1: Jamie Lee Curtis, this is an Oscar contender in your
Speaker 1: honest opinion, In my honest opinion, I will say, if
Speaker 1: you were to ask me after I saw the movie,
Speaker 1: or at any point after I saw the movie, between
Speaker 1: Jamie Lee Curtis and Stephanie's shoe, who is the bigger
Speaker 1: Oscar contender, I think there was a very obvious answer there.
Speaker 1: And then even throw Kerrie Connan in the mix, and
Speaker 1: I would be like, oh, you know what, maybe still
Speaker 1: Stephanie and bias aside still Stephanie. That's all sad. I
Speaker 1: would agree, But it's not a new phenomenon to give
Speaker 1: actors a career Oscar for, you know, a film where
Speaker 1: they do a serviceable job. Jamie, she's wonderful in the movie. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I would actually go as far as to say Jamie
Speaker 1: Lee Curtis is extremely good in the movie. What I
Speaker 1: think is annoying about like this weird backlash to Jamie
Speaker 1: Lee Curtis's win, which, by the way, if anyone's upset
Speaker 1: for Stephanie Shoe, do not be. She is absolutely overjoyed
Speaker 1: and overwhelmed with gratitude, and that I can guarantee you
Speaker 1: that was exactly the outcome that she wanted. She wants
Speaker 1: nothing more than for Key, Michelle and Jamie to get
Speaker 1: their flowers and for that movie and the Daniels to
Speaker 1: get their flowers. Like, do not cry for Stephanie Shoe.
Speaker 1: She is a way onto the best time of her life.
Speaker 1: But the thing about the Jamie League Curtis of it
Speaker 1: all is it's like to pretend this was the worst
Speaker 1: career Oscar that they've ever given. Is so crazy to
Speaker 1: me when that Laura durn marriage story win is in
Speaker 1: recent memory yes, when fucking like, I'm sorry, even like
Speaker 1: Meryl Streep Iron Lady, I'm like, why are we like
Speaker 1: we're gonna an oscar for that, you know, like that
Speaker 1: kind of thing. This is totally fine. It's completely fine. Like,
Speaker 1: first of all, Jamie Lee Curtis as a function in
Speaker 1: the movie, Everything, everywhere, all at once is hilarious. She
Speaker 1: is the villain. She works perfectly within the tone of
Speaker 1: that movie, and they fucking love the movie. So we
Speaker 1: should have seen this coming after she won SAG. Either way,
Speaker 1: this was probably going to be a career oscar given
Speaker 1: because like Angela Bassett and Black Panther Wakonda Forever like
Speaker 1: is also amazing. She's fantastic in the movie, but no
Speaker 1: one left that movie thinking, and wow, that's Angela Bassett's Oscar.
Speaker 1: Either way, it was going to be sure one of
Speaker 1: these two iconic actresses was getting a career Oscar. They
Speaker 1: just happened to go with Jamie Lee because they were
Speaker 1: obsessed with that movie this year, rightfully so, And you know,
Speaker 1: I understand the disappointment for Angela, but the thing is,
Speaker 1: like I just don't get like a hatred and vitriol
Speaker 1: for Jamie Lee. Curtis when there are way worse career
Speaker 1: oscars that have been given. Laura durn essentially walked onto
Speaker 1: that marriage story set and did Renata at a six
Speaker 1: and won an oscar. Yeah, and I should say that
Speaker 1: I feel stupid and silly for bringing up Iron Lady
Speaker 1: because it was not in that category. But it's not.
Speaker 1: It's all the same idea. Like it's the same idea, right, um,
Speaker 1: completely agree with you. I feel like there was such
Speaker 1: a clear fret runner going into that night. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: it was hard to pick villains. I mean she was.
Speaker 1: I mean Jamie Lee was sort of the most ready
Speaker 1: made villain narrative to like for people to sort of
Speaker 1: latch onto, I think, and I don't think it's a
Speaker 1: coincidence bow that in the year of the chic wind
Speaker 1: chimes on Beverly Hills Housewives. I mean that was a
Speaker 1: campaign move when when Jamie Lee Curtis the Beverly Hills
Speaker 1: and absolutely Blue doret Away. You have to remember these
Speaker 1: women they have, they have that was fyc when she
Speaker 1: brought in her my hand, in yours, my pot, in yours,
Speaker 1: her incredible product line to the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills.
Speaker 1: That was the beginning of the campaign, and we should
Speaker 1: have known that Oscar was stamped with Jamie Lee Curtis's
Speaker 1: name from the beginning. When she walked into Kyl Richards's
Speaker 1: home and Doret said the word chic, the race was over.
Speaker 1: When Kensley says, so chic, you're on the ballot, honey,
Speaker 1: it's actually La Culture Number ninety says, so you're on
Speaker 1: the ballot, honey. Honestly, it's just bizarre, like and I
Speaker 1: get it, Like, Jamie Lee Curtis is such a she's
Speaker 1: such a meme. She's such a because of the trauma.
Speaker 1: This film is about trauma. This film is about trauma.
Speaker 1: But the fact is, like she's out there busting her ass,
Speaker 1: working hard. And I'll tell you what I really respect
Speaker 1: that they never do is they never, ever, ever, ever,
Speaker 1: ever give awards for performances that are purely comedic, purely genre.
Speaker 1: And therefore, in terms of a career Oscar, I think
Speaker 1: this is a really fitting one for Jamie Lee Curtis
Speaker 1: because it was a genre performance. She has been one
Speaker 1: of the most iconic actresses in genre films for decades
Speaker 1: and don't fucking talk to me about Jamie Lee Curtis
Speaker 1: winning this Oscar when you were rooting for Laura during
Speaker 1: the other day, like, I mean the other day the
Speaker 1: other year, Like is it like yeah, the other day
Speaker 1: and everyone was doing it the other day and literally,
Speaker 1: like I feel like I have this discussion so much
Speaker 1: with other gay men, like about the Oscars. Then I'm like,
Speaker 1: make it consistent. You know what I'm saying, one per
Speaker 1: one thousand percent. I think it's pretty cool that a
Speaker 1: sci fi film swept all these awards. I mean that
Speaker 1: very shadow assessment. Oh, but on the Trauma, it's a
Speaker 1: movie about trauma. Note like this cast like give it
Speaker 1: up for the campaign though on this like I think
Speaker 1: you haven't been ten million dollars for the campaign, a
Speaker 1: lot of money more than they've ever spent. But this
Speaker 1: group of people, between the Daniels and this cast and
Speaker 1: everybody involved, was able to find ways to talk about
Speaker 1: this movie as if it was their first time talking
Speaker 1: about it for like, yeah, pretty much a year, like
Speaker 1: a full calendar year. Oh yeah. We had Michelle on
Speaker 1: the show like pretty much right after the movie came out,
Speaker 1: and then we had Stephanie on months later. And that
Speaker 1: was honestly before Stephanie was like actually on the real
Speaker 1: radar for Best Supporting Actress. Like I remember thinking like, oh,
Speaker 1: and that would be so cool if she got nominated,
Speaker 1: And then she started to getting nominated for things, and
Speaker 1: I was like, wait, like this is a really big thing.
Speaker 1: It felt like the momentum kept picking up for not
Speaker 1: just the movie, but for then the entire cast extended,
Speaker 1: so honestly one of the better OSCAR campaigns I've seen.
Speaker 1: And also remember this movie premiered literally almost to the day,
Speaker 1: a year before the Oscars at south By Southwest, which
Speaker 1: I also think put south By Southwest really on the
Speaker 1: map as a place where you can debut your film
Speaker 1: and it can go on to literally the highest heights.
Speaker 1: So there's something too these festivals really early in the year,
Speaker 1: word of mouth studios investing in quality and in yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: niche films, but you know, investing in filmmakers and investing
Speaker 1: in vision and investing in talent that is very singular
Speaker 1: to these types of projects, because this is one of
Speaker 1: those like once in a lifetime, once in a blue
Speaker 1: moon movies that only comes together with all these different
Speaker 1: singular talents. And then the campaign was run really fucking well,
Speaker 1: and there's no other Best Picture winner like it Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's true and so funny. There was some write up
Speaker 1: about the Governor's Ball after the show, and they were
Speaker 1: keeping people anonymous, but they were getting a lot of
Speaker 1: quotes of people you know, I roll but going like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: there just wasn't any surprise to like that movie Sweeping
Speaker 1: and it is just kind of And then some fucking
Speaker 1: exact they didn't SESTI by in by name, but some
Speaker 1: person was like, it's just kind of disappointing to see
Speaker 1: a year where so many huge blockbusters were nominated, like
Speaker 1: Avatar and Top Gun and them not take home any
Speaker 1: big prizes. And it's like, well, even if you take
Speaker 1: everything every roll at once out of the running, there's
Speaker 1: still no like clinched front runner in that, you know,
Speaker 1: like thank goodness for everything ever ever all at once
Speaker 1: being in the race this year. Yeah, I also think like, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's no surprise because the Oscar campaign, the Oscar season
Speaker 1: continues for so long, and everything everywhere all at once
Speaker 1: had such a campaign and such a strong hold on
Speaker 1: voters minds and the public's minds that it felt like
Speaker 1: a blockbuster, like you know, big juggernaut at the Oscars.
Speaker 1: But also not for nothing. But had you said a
Speaker 1: year ago that the Oscars would have been owned by
Speaker 1: everything everywhere, all at once, that would have been a
Speaker 1: huge shock. So it's just like, yeah, maybe on the
Speaker 1: night it didn't feel like big surprises were happening and
Speaker 1: you were not entertained or whatever you wanted to feel
Speaker 1: during that three and a half hour show because you
Speaker 1: felt like you saw it coming. But to step back
Speaker 1: from it in a macro sense, like it is a
Speaker 1: huge anomaly. That's something like everything everywhere, all at once
Speaker 1: wins not only Best Picture, but that many Oscars and
Speaker 1: is this historic of a moment. So that's just to
Speaker 1: me saying just how kind of lame people can be
Speaker 1: about like kicking my feet, about me not having a
Speaker 1: fun night, and less about like whether or not what
Speaker 1: should have happened happened. That is ridiculous. And it's a
Speaker 1: different kind of shrug than Coda winning Best Picture last year. Right,
Speaker 1: we were like wait, what okay, Like this is more
Speaker 1: of a m interesting peculiar like minimizing this crazy triumph,
Speaker 1: which I get that. It's like it's at a certain
Speaker 1: point this a movie like this becomes easy to dunk on.
Speaker 1: I think and easy. It's easy to dunk on it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is not like the intellectually interesting thing to do,
Speaker 1: I promise, right, Not that I'm an intellectual, but I'm like,
Speaker 1: I really think that. It's just like the reason it
Speaker 1: sustained this sort of importance throughout the campaign without growing
Speaker 1: stale at any point was because it was a legitimately
Speaker 1: great movie that got people to the theater to see it,
Speaker 1: that told a story about ordinariness being credibly powerful and
Speaker 1: meaningful and beautiful, a thing that everyone can resonate with,
Speaker 1: a thing that like gets my immigrant mom to go
Speaker 1: see the Speaking movie and cry like it's I think
Speaker 1: it's pretty major. Whatever you want to know what, there's
Speaker 1: so many narratives that are such winning, like feel good
Speaker 1: narratives about this, like obviously, like the history it makes
Speaker 1: for Michelle Yo who again, like my rubric as always,
Speaker 1: I've said it a million times, like could anyone else
Speaker 1: have done it? This? Literally no one else could have
Speaker 1: done it, no one else would have done it, and
Speaker 1: that so for that, the family narrative, the queer narrative,
Speaker 1: which often gets lost in the discussion, you know, just
Speaker 1: across the board, like this is a huge victory for
Speaker 1: I think creatives and I think for the Oscars themselves,
Speaker 1: because even though these exacts are saying whatever the fuck
Speaker 1: they're saying, like this is an extremely cool movie to
Speaker 1: win Best Picture, it's not stodge, it doesn't feel like
Speaker 1: everything else. It totally breaks open what studios may invest
Speaker 1: in as a quote unquote Oscar film. You know what
Speaker 1: I mean. It's not like a biopic, it's not. It's
Speaker 1: never boring. In fact, if people have a complaint about
Speaker 1: it is it's that it's completely overwhelming, over stimulating. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and overstimulating, which is like I mean, for a maximalist
Speaker 1: like me, like I fucking love And to say nothing
Speaker 1: of the fact that it absolutely catapults our dear friend Stephanie,
Speaker 1: who now everyone in town knows who she is, and
Speaker 1: she looked absolutely beautiful too, God truly, I mean, just
Speaker 1: a radiant and beautiful person in her whole life. But
Speaker 1: it's like you said earlier, nobody worry about her. She
Speaker 1: is someone who I don't know anyone who has a
Speaker 1: healthier relationship to the artifice and the weird, bizarre aspects
Speaker 1: of that business. She just sees it for what it
Speaker 1: is in such a fun yea of a better word,
Speaker 1: like kooky way, Like she's riding high on this and
Speaker 1: it's perfect. It couldn't have happened to a better person.
Speaker 1: What I always like to do is I like to
Speaker 1: watch the announcement of the winners in the five boxes, Like,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, That moment of euphoria that's
Speaker 1: Steph like displayed when Jamie Lee one was one hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty percent authentic. I will say, if one thing
Speaker 1: bummed me out, it's that Angela was clearly hurt, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? She clearly thought maybe that was
Speaker 1: going to be her moment. And the thing is it
Speaker 1: would have felt incredible had it been her moment. And
Speaker 1: I completely understand disappointment. But the fact is, like, so
Speaker 1: she doesn't win an Academy Award for a Black Panther
Speaker 1: or Wakonda forever, you know what I mean, Like it
Speaker 1: wasn't the best performance of her career, Like it was
Speaker 1: an amazing performance. It would have been incredible to see
Speaker 1: her win. But I genuinely do believe Angela Bassett's moment
Speaker 1: is coming. I really do. I don't know that Jamie
Speaker 1: Lee gets another like huge opportunity like that in such
Speaker 1: a weird specific thing that feels again very Jamie Lee
Speaker 1: Curtis in a way, whereas, like you know, with Angela,
Speaker 1: like she was able to deliver like that extremely regal, poignant,
Speaker 1: there's like a leadership quality and obviously in her performance
Speaker 1: as the Queen and Black Panther were Konda Forever that
Speaker 1: I think is intrinsic in her. There's so many things
Speaker 1: about that role that feel very Angela Bassett, but there's
Speaker 1: also so much more that she can and will do.
Speaker 1: And I think, especially now, so many people are going
Speaker 1: to be like, we have to write Angela Bassett's Oscar role,
Speaker 1: like watching her sit there and not get it was
Speaker 1: a tough one, but I just don't believe that she
Speaker 1: will go with that one. I really do think her
Speaker 1: moment is coming, but I get I get the frustration
Speaker 1: about that. I really do. Totally totally Gaga Gaga. She
Speaker 1: needed no introduction, got the makeup off, serious, said, give
Speaker 1: me the cleansing bomb. I'm doing double cleanse before I
Speaker 1: go on stage. Give me the my cellar water, she said,
Speaker 1: house Labs makeup removers. Gave me the house Labs, and
Speaker 1: then she went on that stage in torn jeans, and
Speaker 1: a big gray T shirt and look she delivered. At first,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, what what is this? It was scary,
Speaker 1: you know what, it was giving? It was giving. She's
Speaker 1: deep and I think she is, and I think she is.
Speaker 1: You could see in her eyes. I was like, there
Speaker 1: is something fucked up going on on the set of Joker.
Speaker 1: There is something deeply dark going on. Because first of
Speaker 1: all her first words being I wrote this song with
Speaker 1: my friend blood Pop. I was just like, can you
Speaker 1: imagine not knowing who blood Pop was and being in
Speaker 1: the audience and like the I'm recording to Lady Gaga,
Speaker 1: whose seconds before was in a full garment and makeup
Speaker 1: now is looking wrecked on stage with her like a
Speaker 1: few members of a band, like John Williams is sitting
Speaker 1: third row hearing the name BloodPop going who John Williams
Speaker 1: is there and he has to know about BloodPop. Engineer
Speaker 1: Doug says, looked great and killed it. I agreed, Doug,
Speaker 1: honestly too. Like I was also nervous in the beginning
Speaker 1: of the performance because she kept it in the basement
Speaker 1: for a long time, like that was not right, that's
Speaker 1: a whole my hand. But then she got up, she
Speaker 1: went upstairs. By the end, Oh yeah, she got up,
Speaker 1: really did. And then did you notice when Kimmel in
Speaker 1: the monologue like through to her at some point. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think they're friends, Like she's been on Kimmel a
Speaker 1: bunch of times, and like, yeah, I think they liked
Speaker 1: each other a lot. But there was a moment where
Speaker 1: like she like turned on in a way that kind
Speaker 1: of overcorrected. I think she was being very present, just
Speaker 1: have the kind of Gaga mindfulness that she's been in
Speaker 1: for her whole life. Yep, but like there's something different
Speaker 1: about this, about it being you know, joker mode literally,
Speaker 1: and then she kind of just like, hey, you're gonna
Speaker 1: see like it's like something kind of she's a laughaway
Speaker 1: from a tear right now. She's a laughaway from a
Speaker 1: tear right now. And it's very interesting. I hope she's
Speaker 1: taking care of herself. We obviously there are no two
Speaker 1: people who love her more in the world than us.
Speaker 1: You know, she's not taking care of herself though, you
Speaker 1: know she's not. I thought Chromatica was going to change things.
Speaker 1: I thought it would be Gaga by but two and
Speaker 1: Chromatica we're going to be like the sort of blood
Speaker 1: letting moments where she was going to be on the
Speaker 1: path to like healing. And I do think she has
Speaker 1: done a lot of healing. I just think she takes
Speaker 1: on these projects where she has to fucking self immolate.
Speaker 1: You know, she has to like really fucking like suffer.
Speaker 1: And you know that Joaquin is not the best influence either,
Speaker 1: because he also goes all the way hard in and
Speaker 1: so to think of the two of them doing Joker,
Speaker 1: and then even just the drama of her being like,
Speaker 1: I'm not performing and then the next day or two
Speaker 1: days later it being like, no, just kidding, she is,
Speaker 1: and we had been told she doesn't feel she can
Speaker 1: get it together for the performance, and then then being
Speaker 1: like okay, never mind, she is, and then the camera
Speaker 1: panding over to her looking the way she looked. I
Speaker 1: wrote this song with my friend blood Pop and even
Speaker 1: if you're broken inside, you can be her own hero.
Speaker 1: I was like, is she about to crack? You're like
Speaker 1: the alarms are sounding. I think it was a very
Speaker 1: smart move of her to really, you know, she like
Speaker 1: it would have been weird if she had any production
Speaker 1: element to it, And so for her to be like,
Speaker 1: let's go all the way to the the other direction. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be in a T shirt and jeans. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be basically sitting kneeling in a squat whatever, and then
Speaker 1: I'm gonna like stand up at the end. That is
Speaker 1: the most action that's going to happen on stage. That's
Speaker 1: the most blocking, great move, great idea, truly, very very
Speaker 1: very smart, and I'm proud of our girl. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: proud of her. I mean, she ripped it up. I
Speaker 1: will say, it's just so funny that, like when she
Speaker 1: was initially nominated for Holding My Hand for Top Gun Maverick,
Speaker 1: It's such a big fucking movie and such a huge
Speaker 1: song that we were always like, oh, it's gonna be
Speaker 1: fighter jets, it's gonna be parachutes, it's gonna be wind machines.
Speaker 1: And she came out there looking like tiny Tim and
Speaker 1: she came out there barely able to stand and gave
Speaker 1: that performance that we were not positive she was going
Speaker 1: to make it through, and it still was a highlight.
Speaker 1: And she never flops on that stage. She absolutely she
Speaker 1: crushed sound of music Till It Happens to You was
Speaker 1: a fucking moment, like Shallow, that was a moment in
Speaker 1: culture and this whole my hand performance was unforgettable. She
Speaker 1: is four for four on delivering like and I love it.
Speaker 1: I mean, like my friend was saying, like, what a
Speaker 1: thrilling career pivot like for her to go from the
Speaker 1: pop star that she is to like essentially like this
Speaker 1: fixture at the Academy Awards. And you know, you simply
Speaker 1: know that if Joker Foliad is good, she'll be there again.
Speaker 1: She'll be there again. She'll perform a number from it,
Speaker 1: which I'm sure she'll contribute something to the soundtrack. It
Speaker 1: is a musical, perhaps even nominated for Best Actress or
Speaker 1: Best Supporting Actress. I don't know how big her role
Speaker 1: will be, but they fucking love her. We love watching
Speaker 1: her on the show. Lady Gaga. Is the Oscars a
Speaker 1: couple of things. I mean, remember that first time she
Speaker 1: did the Oscars doing sound up music. It was this like,
Speaker 1: oh she's there, and it was it was in this
Speaker 1: rough patch in her career post art pop, I think,
Speaker 1: pre Joe An. It didn't seem right. Yeah, there was
Speaker 1: not a lot of certainty. You weren't sure where it
Speaker 1: was going next, right yep. And then that was when
Speaker 1: like your grandpa was like, I actually like that Lady
Speaker 1: she's got she can really sing, yes, and then from
Speaker 1: there just like built and builds and builds. And the
Speaker 1: second thing is with the Joker Folia to being a
Speaker 1: musical thing. Um, Josh Sharpe is this great joke where
Speaker 1: he's told you right where it's a it's a jukebox musical,
Speaker 1: and he's like, I think it would be actually so
Speaker 1: incredible if she and Joaquins sing shallow, sang shallow and Joker,
Speaker 1: wouldn't that be a maz I honestly can feel. I mean,
Speaker 1: we've heard Joaquins sing and walk the line that obviously
Speaker 1: sits right in his register. I really want to hear
Speaker 1: not just Lady Gaga, but Harley Quinn sing as Ali. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean this is meta on meta on meta, and
Speaker 1: it's film greatness. Doug Engineered. Doug says her performance was
Speaker 1: a very rock and roll moment. Yes, strip it all back.
Speaker 1: The danger was present, no glitz, no glam, no maximalism,
Speaker 1: not even for top Gun Maverick. The winner of Best Sound. Yes,
Speaker 1: she just gave it to you. That not too Nato
Speaker 1: performance was amazing, electrifying. Yeah, congrats, I mean I have
Speaker 1: not but I really want to. I've I've been meaning to,
Speaker 1: and that fucking if that performance was not Oh no, wait,
Speaker 1: what's Hans saying? Oh, Hans said, not a single South
Speaker 1: Asian on stage for NATO. Okay, Hans, explain more. You
Speaker 1: can't just drop this what Hans Hans wants to? Come on,
Speaker 1: Come on, Hans, because we're not able to speak to this.
Speaker 1: Hi folks, Hi, Hi, okay, so explain what what's going on? Yeah? Sorry,
Speaker 1: I didn't want to derail the Loves because it's an
Speaker 1: incredible song, a deserving award winner. But I have seen
Speaker 1: and obviously the people in the crowd and the audience
Speaker 1: were like electrified, enthused and loved that performance. But I
Speaker 1: gotta say, my wife and I, who are South Asian
Speaker 1: dancers from back in college and have like plenty of
Speaker 1: South Asian dancer friends, we just sat there like kind
Speaker 1: of confused the whole time, looking at these faces who
Speaker 1: appeared to be some form of people of color. But
Speaker 1: we're like, are these people South Asian? Did they just
Speaker 1: outsourced this to like a local Los Angeles dance company
Speaker 1: to just like recreate the dance from the movie. And
Speaker 1: I don't know for a fact that there were no
Speaker 1: South Asians on stage, but reading a little bit about
Speaker 1: it afterwards and just sitting there confused, where we're just like,
Speaker 1: how could they do this? But of course the oscars
Speaker 1: of any body would do something like that. It does
Speaker 1: appear that they hired Napoleon and Tabitha, who I know
Speaker 1: from So you think you can dance to yes, I
Speaker 1: guess for are you're off the performance? I don't know,
Speaker 1: but it was. It was literally just like the dance
Speaker 1: from the movie, which is an amazing day. And I
Speaker 1: should add it's not just that I like, I am
Speaker 1: a South Asian person who wanted to see people who
Speaker 1: look like me doing a dance, although that's important, but
Speaker 1: it betrays the entire point of the song in the movie,
Speaker 1: which is that there's these two Indian guys at an
Speaker 1: all white party who are being like teased and ridiculed
Speaker 1: for being different and for not knowing how to dance,
Speaker 1: and these white guys or what do you know how
Speaker 1: to dance? Also do you know how to dance? Flamenco?
Speaker 1: And they're like, no, but here's how we can outdance
Speaker 1: all of you, and then they bust out. It's like
Speaker 1: the most incredible dancing you've ever seen. It's uniquely Indian
Speaker 1: dancing performed by two Indian guys to put all these
Speaker 1: white people to shame. So when you fail to cast
Speaker 1: South Asian people on stage, you like missing the entire
Speaker 1: point of the movie in the performance on the song.
Speaker 1: So it's just kind of ridiculous. Yeah, this this Indie
Speaker 1: WI article that you've sent us as a representative for
Speaker 1: the Academy in mos In Picture Art and Sciences. When
Speaker 1: asked about the background of the performances, dancers told Indie
Speaker 1: Wire that it was quote incorrect that there were few,
Speaker 1: if any South Asian artists and the performance, though they
Speaker 1: did not provide further information when asked for clarification. And
Speaker 1: I gotta say, like just the dancing on stage, that
Speaker 1: is an impossible dance to do in one take. Like
Speaker 1: when you watch the movie, it's incredible. It's highly edited,
Speaker 1: and I think I had seen an interview with SS
Speaker 1: Roger Malory was like, yeah, there's like there's just no
Speaker 1: way that dance is so high energy, there's no way
Speaker 1: you can put But I think that like the framing
Speaker 1: of that performances, let's try to do the impossible, was
Speaker 1: probably never the right way to handle it and it
Speaker 1: was just a bummer. I think that, like every other
Speaker 1: song performance had some level of production, like everything everywhere
Speaker 1: all at one song incredibly staged and performed Rihanna like
Speaker 1: lifted into the sky and then not to Nato was
Speaker 1: like they just put a picture of that palace in
Speaker 1: the background on the screens and then they have like
Speaker 1: people dance. So anyway, not to just trouble lovest love
Speaker 1: the song, yeah, love the choreography. I think salth Asian
Speaker 1: dance is just like so good that even a mediocre
Speaker 1: version of it is really impressive, especially to like, you know,
Speaker 1: not in any people who've never seen something like that before,
Speaker 1: and they weren't like bad, they just didn't hold a
Speaker 1: candle to what it could have been, right, So I
Speaker 1: think the people are like rightfully blown away, but couldn't
Speaker 1: on this platform, of all platforms, you know, not at
Speaker 1: least talk about. Of course, of course, thank you for
Speaker 1: letting us know. No, I'm happy that you did, because honestly,
Speaker 1: I would never have known that. I don't feel like
Speaker 1: it's that sinister and insidious of like the audience is
Speaker 1: too dumb to notice. To me, it just feels like
Speaker 1: one I'm sure there's not a South Asian person involved
Speaker 1: in the production of the songs specifically, or somebody who
Speaker 1: was in a position to say, like, hey, maybe we
Speaker 1: should consider this. I think they probably thought they hired
Speaker 1: great choreographers Nabby Tabs like legitimately are incredible, like some
Speaker 1: of the best in the biz. They're just not the
Speaker 1: right ones for that. And I think that when you're
Speaker 1: in a machine that moves as fast as the oscars does,
Speaker 1: there's probably just not somebody to say, hey, hold up,
Speaker 1: let's like rethink this part of it. And I should say,
Speaker 1: like testament to how incredible the song and the dancing
Speaker 1: is that even an underwhelming version of it elicits the
Speaker 1: response that it did, like the first standing ovation, I
Speaker 1: think like people just out of their seats, enthused, electrified,
Speaker 1: like there was nothing fake about that. No, I mean,
Speaker 1: watching watching at home, I was like, that was an
Speaker 1: unbelievable performance. I mean, like, I you never I would
Speaker 1: never have thought anything. And I have not seen that
Speaker 1: movie yet, but everyone that has seen it was simply like,
Speaker 1: even with all the stars ours that they had nominated
Speaker 1: in that category. And it's not always in a situation
Speaker 1: where best Original Song has Rihanna and Lady Gaga both nominated,
Speaker 1: and they have the opportunity to have one of those
Speaker 1: women on stage accepting an oscar, which is a moment
Speaker 1: in and of itself and a reason to bring in
Speaker 1: people watching. It seemed like it was unanimous amongst everyone
Speaker 1: predicting it and voting for it, that not To not
Speaker 1: To was the deserving winner. And so yeah, that is
Speaker 1: disappointed for them to have not like come through exactly
Speaker 1: on the performance. But I will say as a viewer,
Speaker 1: I enjoyed it thoroughly and made me very excited to
Speaker 1: see the movie, which you have every right too. And
Speaker 1: that's honestly what it's all about. It's like, does it
Speaker 1: make you fall in love? Doesn't make you want to go?
Speaker 1: Appreciate this movie. So thank you guys for giving me
Speaker 1: the chance to talk about it. Of course, thank you
Speaker 1: for talking, thank you for coming on, and we celebrate you.
Speaker 1: And this is we've always said, more of a Howard
Speaker 1: Stern esque podcasts than anyone knows, and that we have
Speaker 1: people come in and sort of pop in, not in
Speaker 1: that we have like you know, naked women coming in
Speaker 1: and like seeing who can get tickled the longest, which
Speaker 1: one of us is the Robin, then I'm the Robin
Speaker 1: one thousand percent. Now, No, no, I'm not. I am not.
Speaker 1: I have not for the past two years been giving
Speaker 1: any energy besides Robin. Matt says something amazing funny every
Speaker 1: other breath, and wow, yeah, I'm going really I'm I'm Robin.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. This is it's so boring for me to
Speaker 1: complain about how tired I am. And it's not fun
Speaker 1: to like route for me and be like hang in
Speaker 1: there bow, but like it is tough. It is tough
Speaker 1: right now for your old friends. Well, you are tiring.
Speaker 1: You are tired for really good I'm tiring and I
Speaker 1: am tiring. You are both tiring and tired for really
Speaker 1: good reasons. I'll say that. I was also going to
Speaker 1: say Rihanna performed her and her um pregn see, hormones
Speaker 1: were very, very very present so she could deliver the vocals. Yes, yes, absolutely,
Speaker 1: I'm bad Navy. I did not watch. Oh yeah, well
Speaker 1: here's the thing about it. It's about one quarter of
Speaker 1: a song, and so I think it's fine that you didn't.
Speaker 1: I said, if that song was any better at all,
Speaker 1: if Lift Me Up was any more of a song
Speaker 1: than it is. She would have walked away with that award.
Speaker 1: But the thing is it really is I mean, and
Speaker 1: she admitted it's a lullaby. Sure, I guess I didn't
Speaker 1: know that. The whole Malala moment happened while they were
Speaker 1: setting up. Yes, the set for left me up, and
Speaker 1: I guess Jimmy caught a little bit of flack for that.
Speaker 1: I thought she handled it great. I thought she looked amazing.
Speaker 1: She looked stunned. Malala may have been best dressed at
Speaker 1: the Academy Awards, and sometimes that just happens. Sometimes Malala
Speaker 1: shows up at the function and she is best dressed. Yes,
Speaker 1: you always always always run that risk, right. I saw
Speaker 1: so much Broadway. I'm so happy to hear more. Yes,
Speaker 1: I need to hear all your opinions about Broadway. I
Speaker 1: have to say. I saw was it one, two, three, four? Yeah? Okay,
Speaker 1: so get this after Sizza, which was incredible. I then
Speaker 1: saw Jessica Chastain in Adalla's house the day we recorded
Speaker 1: last week's episode. And then, by the way, it was
Speaker 1: an amazing moment when Jessica Chastain and Halle Berry handed
Speaker 1: Michelle Yoe the oscar, and then the three of them
Speaker 1: arm in arm left the stage, and that image was like, wow, gorgeous, stunning.
Speaker 1: It's not necessarily representative of the best actress winners of
Speaker 1: all time, but it was representative of I hope what
Speaker 1: the future can look like. And I thought that was
Speaker 1: a beautiful image to three of them arm in arm
Speaker 1: walking off, I thought that was wonderful. But I just
Speaker 1: wanted to say that I saw Jessica Chastain in a
Speaker 1: Doll's House on Broadway, and I have thoughts and a review.
Speaker 1: I really I've never seen a dollhouse performed live. This
Speaker 1: was very minimalist. It's literally just the actors in navy
Speaker 1: blue clothing on stage and rotating chairs that move about
Speaker 1: the stage. That's really the only like stunt that the
Speaker 1: show does until the end, which I won't spoil, but
Speaker 1: it's really just like a genuine showcase for Jessica Chastains acting.
Speaker 1: There's no props, there's no sets. She is absolutely unreal.
Speaker 1: If this isn't a Tony win, then I don't know anything,
Speaker 1: because this is like she's literally faced out to the
Speaker 1: audience pretty much the entire time, Like even when she's
Speaker 1: speaking with the other actors, she's rarely facing the other actors.
Speaker 1: She's really giving it out and just to watch her shifts,
Speaker 1: her control, her focus. It's really and by the way,
Speaker 1: no audience has ever coughed more during a productions house
Speaker 1: that I was at. I don't know what it is about.
Speaker 1: It was just like everyone who was sick in the
Speaker 1: world was at this theater. And I really have to
Speaker 1: commend all the actors, but especially Jessica who holds the center.
Speaker 1: It didn't deter her at all. Also, seconds into the
Speaker 1: like not seconds mids into the performance I was at,
Speaker 1: someone from the audience had to scream for help for
Speaker 1: a doctor and there was a huge problem and someone
Speaker 1: was escorted out. It was like a really intense moment
Speaker 1: and they started from the top and they did the
Speaker 1: whole thing again and Jessica was just perfect. I mean,
Speaker 1: I just have to say, like I saw this in
Speaker 1: the final week of her reign as Best Actress, and
Speaker 1: I think it's so cool that what she decided to
Speaker 1: do in her year. Yeah, you know, when she has
Speaker 1: pretty much any choice in the world, huge, huge, huge
Speaker 1: actress and you know, in her Best Actress moment, decided
Speaker 1: to do this type of production of a doll's house.
Speaker 1: It just was such a flex And yeah, if you
Speaker 1: can go see just like a chest stain in a
Speaker 1: Doll's house, you really should. If you're a theater person
Speaker 1: like and SIPs the dells them before you go in.
Speaker 1: Try not to cough, please, it's really giving cough drops necessary,
Speaker 1: or just wait till you feel better to go, because
Speaker 1: I'm telling you bowen every five seconds. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: like that happened to me in a Chicago everyone's coughing
Speaker 1: and Broadway Now it's a lot. It's not a COVID
Speaker 1: thing for me necessarily. It's just like stop that. Maybe
Speaker 1: just bring in like a water bottle or something. And
Speaker 1: here's the thing too, this actually is true. Usually if
Speaker 1: you feel like you need to cough, you can just
Speaker 1: take a sip of water. Usually, yes, rule of culture,
Speaker 1: what rules the number is that one thousand? It's really
Speaker 1: culture number one thousand. Usually if you need to cough,
Speaker 1: you water. Okay. So at Doll's house, that was fabulous.
Speaker 1: At Doll's House, I give a nine out of ten.
Speaker 1: And there's a stunt that happens at the end that
Speaker 1: I won't ruin, which made the audience gasp, Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Then on Tuesday, I went to go see Sweeney Todd
Speaker 1: on Broadway with Annalie Ashford and Josh Groban. Now, this
Speaker 1: show is still in previews, and I think what I
Speaker 1: saw felt like a preview. So I am going to
Speaker 1: be withholding my review of Sweeney Todd until I see
Speaker 1: it again. And I have already bought my tickets for April.
Speaker 1: I don't want to ring off any alarm bells about
Speaker 1: Sweeney Todd. I think that this production is going to
Speaker 1: get there. But I'm going to go again in April
Speaker 1: so that I can be I think very sure about
Speaker 1: what I say. That's what I'll say about that. But
Speaker 1: there's a lot to like. And you did say something
Speaker 1: in the Marlon Mandel episode, What did I say? You
Speaker 1: heard her that it was Honorie Ashford's show, that it's
Speaker 1: her show and she is fucking hilarious. I'll say that
Speaker 1: like she you know what, it's giving the choice, it's
Speaker 1: kind of giving like Goldie Hawn as Missus Lovett. I
Speaker 1: didn't know based one when it started how much I
Speaker 1: would like that choice, and I think it was the
Speaker 1: right choice for her. Okay, there's just things about the
Speaker 1: production that I think still need to like. I think
Speaker 1: they're still working out sound and stuff, and so like,
Speaker 1: I'm just waiting until I got to take it. That's
Speaker 1: a little bit closer to the stage, until I can
Speaker 1: really like soak in it because it's Sweeney Todd is
Speaker 1: my favorite show of all time, and I just want
Speaker 1: to make sure that I've seen what the production truly
Speaker 1: is before I give a review. So I'm being I'm
Speaker 1: withholding on that. Yeah, but stay tuned, stay tuned. Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 1: review and coming Wednesday. I saw Ben Platt in Parade.
Speaker 1: This was a ten out of ten. Wow. He is
Speaker 1: like a weapon in terms of like musical theater performance.
Speaker 1: He is such an incredibly gifted actor. And I actually
Speaker 1: had never seen Ben Platt perform live, weirdly enough, even
Speaker 1: though he's a friend of ours and there were ample
Speaker 1: chances to see him and dear Evan Hansen back in
Speaker 1: the day, I just never never low key had the
Speaker 1: money to go and it was always sold out. I
Speaker 1: never could go, So being able to see him live
Speaker 1: was incredible. Parade. If you all don't know out there
Speaker 1: is a musical. It's a Jason Robert Brown musical about
Speaker 1: the trial, conviction, and hanging of Leo Frank who many
Speaker 1: historians believe was incorrectly an unjustly tried for and hung
Speaker 1: for the crime of murdering a thirteen year old factory
Speaker 1: girl in Atlanta. It's deals with issues of anti Semitism,
Speaker 1: it deals with issues of race. The music is absolutely beautiful.
Speaker 1: It's just a really stirring show that I cannot recommend enough. MICHAELA. Diamond,
Speaker 1: who plays Leo Frank's wife Lucille, is also fantastic. It's
Speaker 1: just you gotta go see this one. It's really good.
Speaker 1: I think a contender for Best Revival, and Ben should
Speaker 1: absolutely be up there for Best Actor in a Musical.
Speaker 1: I mean, his voice is fucking crazy Bowen. It's like,
Speaker 1: we all know he can sing and belt to fucking
Speaker 1: high hell, but there's moments where he goes into his
Speaker 1: lower register that I was looking over at, like I
Speaker 1: saw it with George Severs, Steve Mazoni, and Patrick Rogers
Speaker 1: and we were looking at each other like how it's
Speaker 1: just like some people just are able to do things
Speaker 1: vocally that others are just not. Yeah, it's wild happy
Speaker 1: for him. And then finally I saw Camelot on Friday.
Speaker 1: It was I think the second performance of Camelot at
Speaker 1: the Vivian Beaumont. I'm Lincoln Center and it was a set.
Speaker 1: Hipposuit is incredible, Taylor Trench is incredible. This show needs
Speaker 1: to cut time out of it, we need it just
Speaker 1: is too long. Act one was an hour and forty
Speaker 1: five minutes. Yeah, the show started at eight. I did
Speaker 1: look down at my watch at the end of Act
Speaker 1: one and it was ninety six. So again, they're also
Speaker 1: in previews, and I think some attention should be focused
Speaker 1: on getting it trimmed up, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: like just getting it to move, just because it really
Speaker 1: is long. It's a new book by Aaron Sorkin, which
Speaker 1: may have something to do with that. I certainly was
Speaker 1: laughing at a lot of it, but I wonder if
Speaker 1: we could be getting through it quicker. Sure. And then
Speaker 1: I saw Betty Who on Saturday Night and she fucking
Speaker 1: ate it up at Hammerstein Ballroom. Incredible performers, dancing choreo
Speaker 1: the whole time, vocal sounded amazing. We love you, Betty.
Speaker 1: We had an amazing time. And then I want to
Speaker 1: go see my sister at Saturday Night Live. So what
Speaker 1: a week for me? I think I'm so so happy
Speaker 1: that you had this rich week, truly, and it was
Speaker 1: exactly what what? What? No? I know I can tell
Speaker 1: union some culture, it's really bad. It's really bad right now,
Speaker 1: it's dark. If I think too long about it, I
Speaker 1: start to really go to a bad place and we
Speaker 1: will not get into it any further. But I really
Speaker 1: do think that this is exactly what the doctor ordered
Speaker 1: for my sister. You have a lot of life to
Speaker 1: think about. You have a lot of the world and
Speaker 1: history to think about. You have music to think about,
Speaker 1: so many things stimulating you, and you are someone who
Speaker 1: takes that in and processes it in the best way.
Speaker 1: It comes out as something very cogent and thoughtful, and
Speaker 1: I always love hearing you talk about it. I know
Speaker 1: the readers feel the same way. Well, it's been medicine, yes,
Speaker 1: let's just say that. But don't don't worry about because
Speaker 1: I'm taking you to Disney World. Oh my god, I'm
Speaker 1: so excited. I'm so excited. I need it so badly.
Speaker 1: I can't believe that I'm going to get to be
Speaker 1: there when you do Rides of the Resistance and This
Speaker 1: Guardian's roller coaster for the first time, and that you
Speaker 1: and I are both going to do Tron. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be there when you do Tron for the first time
Speaker 1: since I've done it already. Oh yeah, you've done it
Speaker 1: in China. I've done it in Shanghai. I remember it
Speaker 1: like it was yesterday. Yang and I waiting at the
Speaker 1: gates of Shanghai Disney before opening. As soon as it opens,
Speaker 1: a bum rush of hundreds of people running to the
Speaker 1: Tron ride. I've never run faster in my life. Yang
Speaker 1: and I bullet to Tron and we were one of
Speaker 1: the first people to make it there, and it was
Speaker 1: one of the most thrilling experiences of my life. A
Speaker 1: perfect coaster. I am so beyond excited because to think
Speaker 1: about riding this roller coaster like a damn Tron motorcycle
Speaker 1: face first, to have the thing fasten you and press
Speaker 1: down on you from the back, hit it from the back,
Speaker 1: why don't I Literally, here's the thing. I know it's
Speaker 1: the Magic Kingdom, but I'm gonna feel very sexual on
Speaker 1: the ride. Your back is going to be arched, cocks out,
Speaker 1: you are going to be primeed. It's gonna be sniffies
Speaker 1: up in here. We're gonna be ass up, like yeah,
Speaker 1: the visuals go inside and outside. Don't forget outside of
Speaker 1: trunk because guess what you're going outside for a little bit.
Speaker 1: It's so gaging, it's giving. You are going to absolutely
Speaker 1: gag for guardians too and rise to the resistance. Forget
Speaker 1: it bowing. Oh my god. The way we're about to
Speaker 1: get captured and taken to another planet, and then the
Speaker 1: way we're about to escape, it's honey, packed the edibles. Honey,
Speaker 1: Kylo Wren. I know that one. I know that girl.
Speaker 1: I've stared that girl in the face. Literally, Well, she's
Speaker 1: coming for you. She's coming. Well guess what I was
Speaker 1: cut out of white noise fun fact. Yeah, And mister
Speaker 1: driver himself was catching up with me about life, and
Speaker 1: I was like, that's Kylo Wren over there. I'm not
Speaker 1: scared of him, really, is Kylo? I'm not scared of him.
Speaker 1: You know. One of the great phenomenons of twenty twenty
Speaker 1: three so far has been everyone rewatching girls, and I am,
Speaker 1: oh my god. Literally, it's so crazy now to think
Speaker 1: of Adam from Girls as being Kylo rem like to
Speaker 1: understand that that was his introduction debut. What catapult to
Speaker 1: him into the stratosphere was as the weirdest fuck boy
Speaker 1: in Greenpoint and now he's Kylo Ren. The pilot really
Speaker 1: does hold up so incredibly well. It does for Hannis
Speaker 1: lur first lines to be I'm a growing girl. Perfect.
Speaker 1: I know it's like on the nose maybe, but like
Speaker 1: actually works perfectly. Actual's stuffing her mouth, eating with her parents.
Speaker 1: I'm a growing girl. You eat it like they're going
Speaker 1: to take it away from you. Perfect first lines of
Speaker 1: that show. And then oh my god, the Beach House
Speaker 1: episode Beach House, Yeah, I mean there's a line in
Speaker 1: that episode that has often overlooked. It's where um Andrew
Speaker 1: Reynolds's boyfriend talking to talking to Hannah yes yes, yes, yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: yes yes, the writer, the writer. But he's like, but
Speaker 1: they're they're having a good time. And then he goes, oh,
Speaker 1: you remind me so much of my friend Kayla. She's
Speaker 1: such a dilettante. I think that's such a funny line.
Speaker 1: She is such a like she's so wild, she is
Speaker 1: such a dilettante. And then Hannah's reacted Lena giving perfect
Speaker 1: perfect response to it, which is like, oh that's so funny,
Speaker 1: or like something to that effect, like it's so good,
Speaker 1: just that little I mean she could write a fucking
Speaker 1: TV show or movie whatever. Yeah. Unfortunately for haters, the
Speaker 1: show was actually better now than it was then. Great
Speaker 1: like it is because now now it's this weird like
Speaker 1: period piece, you know what I mean. Now it's this
Speaker 1: weird like time capsule of the twenty tens, and especially
Speaker 1: like you know, now being in your thirties watching it,
Speaker 1: watching people in their you know, early to mid twenties,
Speaker 1: and like the things that really frustrated me and annoyed
Speaker 1: me at the time, Now I watch and I'm like, yep,
Speaker 1: because you recognize yourself you would say that for attention,
Speaker 1: you would do that, you would get into this fight,
Speaker 1: you would not be able to stop yourself from doing this.
Speaker 1: Like it's just really for someone who was just barely
Speaker 1: older than that age, she was able to capture what
Speaker 1: it means to be that age from like an all
Speaker 1: seeing perspective. That is to be applauded. I mean, it
Speaker 1: is a really worthy rewatch, especially if, like you know,
Speaker 1: you're someone who's from New York or was living in
Speaker 1: New York at that time, or understands the idiosyncrasies of
Speaker 1: like Brooklyn and Manhattan. It's just so Yeah, even the
Speaker 1: stuff about like Liberal Arts College, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: like all of it. It's just completely when you get
Speaker 1: on that attraction in wallet Disney World and see just
Speaker 1: how far Adam Driver has come to being an audio
Speaker 1: animatronic villain in many scenes of an attraction that is groundbreaking. Bowen,
Speaker 1: I'm excited for you. I'm very excited in this when
Speaker 1: I'm most excited to do Expedition at First again, It's
Speaker 1: been many years since I've done that, really good one
Speaker 1: of my favorite rides of all time. Truly, when you
Speaker 1: see Miss Thing, it is a gag. When you see
Speaker 1: Miss Thing, it is really it is a hairy gag.
Speaker 1: It's a hairy, scary gag. And that is a contrary guy,
Speaker 1: if you thought you were going to have a bad time.
Speaker 1: And the drinks at Nepal, the drinks in and the
Speaker 1: Animal Kingdom in that section, delicious drinks, delicious cocktail, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they turn all the way up. Honestly, I'm so excited
Speaker 1: to go just indulge with my sister. And also I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get you on the Velocity Coaster starring b D
Speaker 1: starring b D. Bradley Darryl. Oh my god, I'm so
Speaker 1: excited though, and you're gonna get your life on that.
Speaker 1: I've said this before, I'll say it again. I need
Speaker 1: this cannot come soon enough. That is the only thing
Speaker 1: that is giving me hope. Otherwise I have been in
Speaker 1: a state of learned hopelessness, as therapist calls us learn hopelessness. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that is. It's a very severe term. It's I guess
Speaker 1: a term that's like more applied to like people in
Speaker 1: like really shitty situations. Yes, like an abusive relationship. It's
Speaker 1: not quite that. But I am sort of like completely
Speaker 1: distorted by work and can only identify through work. And
Speaker 1: I know it's like a rom COMI cliche to be
Speaker 1: like I'm a workaholic, but I hate it. You saw me,
Speaker 1: You saw me on Saturday. The symbolic thing in this
Speaker 1: is that like I can't even have a therapy session
Speaker 1: without it being interrupted by something work related. Like my
Speaker 1: last five therapy sessions have either been canceled because of
Speaker 1: a work emergency or during the session something's come up
Speaker 1: where it's like, hey, we need you now, And I'm like,
Speaker 1: this is indicative of the whole thing, Like designated protected
Speaker 1: time where I'm supposed to like examine things. Yeah, are
Speaker 1: not respected and feels like it's getting bucked. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So like I just constantly feel like I have to
Speaker 1: like sign and it's you know what, Bowen, I think
Speaker 1: you have to like And something I've done is like
Speaker 1: i've actually and I'm not saying you haven't done this
Speaker 1: or that it's not a lot more difficult for you,
Speaker 1: but I draw a hard boundary now, Like I keep
Speaker 1: my therapy appointments and I keep them and if something
Speaker 1: pops up and they're like, oh, could you potentially do
Speaker 1: it now, I just say I have therapy at that time. No,
Speaker 1: I cannot move it. And I understand that that might
Speaker 1: be more difficult for you because you are a while
Speaker 1: an extremely crucial and important part of a machine. You
Speaker 1: are a cognitive machine, and I understand that sometimes it
Speaker 1: feels like that and it feels like you're being handed
Speaker 1: a decision instead of being consulted on a decision. But
Speaker 1: your time for your like literal mental workout and your
Speaker 1: emotional work out is really fucking important, really fucking important.
Speaker 1: And I know that you say that, but I wonder
Speaker 1: if you know that and if you could draw a
Speaker 1: harder boundary. And I don't say that as like a instructive.
Speaker 1: I just I just think it's that important. Yeah. Can
Speaker 1: I share the one thing in culture that I am
Speaker 1: actually enthused about because I was able to consume it. Yes,
Speaker 1: was Kunk on Earth. It is Kunk on Earth. It
Speaker 1: is Oh, yes, you were talking about this perfect viewing experience.
Speaker 1: Here's why only five episodes, every episode under thirty minutes.
Speaker 1: You can watch it in a day. Yes, and it is.
Speaker 1: Every joke is landing, every every joke is the stupidest
Speaker 1: joke you've ever heard in your life, delivered by Diane Morgan,
Speaker 1: who is truly giving you a tort a force in
Speaker 1: comedy and in commitment, and in just parodying all these conventions.
Speaker 1: In mocumentaries, in series about human history, civilization, anthropology, whatever, Matt,
Speaker 1: you will be obsessed. You have to watch this Kunk
Speaker 1: on Earth. How do I watch it? How do the
Speaker 1: readers watch? The readers can watch it on Netflix. If
Speaker 1: you're in the UK, it's on BBC. You might already
Speaker 1: know there's there was a series called Kunk on Britain.
Speaker 1: This woman named Philomina Kunk, who is a fictional character
Speaker 1: played by Diane Morgan, interviews professors experts, asks them of
Speaker 1: the stupidest questions you can possibly she doesn't want like
Speaker 1: an American history. There's an episode on like American history
Speaker 1: after the Industrial Revolution, and she talks about the Civil
Speaker 1: War in America, and then she talks about Lincoln, and
Speaker 1: then she like sets up like Lincoln's assassination as let
Speaker 1: me try to quote it. She goes. Unfortunately for Abraham Lincoln,
Speaker 1: only five days after the North declared victory, he suffered
Speaker 1: a terrible tragedy by being forced to go to the
Speaker 1: theater to watch a play. A kindly gunman put him
Speaker 1: out of his misery, but cruelly not until the third act.
Speaker 1: So stupid, like she she's delivering it and like I'm
Speaker 1: not doing it justice, but she is. Every the way
Speaker 1: she's delivering all these things is perfect. You will love
Speaker 1: it all, readers. I'm sure readers are already ahead of
Speaker 1: beyond this, but Kunk on Earth is wonderful, wonderful, wonderful viewing,
Speaker 1: healing you. I'm gonna watch it and by the next
Speaker 1: episode I'll have Kunk on our thoughts because I immediately
Speaker 1: respond to the name Philamina Kunk like that. It's It's perfect.
Speaker 1: It's just the kind of comedy that like you miss
Speaker 1: you know, um, maybe a fun companion piece to like
Speaker 1: History of the World Part two, which I'm also excited
Speaker 1: to watch. Yes, yes, I'm excited too. I'm in it.
Speaker 1: Blink and you miss it, really blink and you truly
Speaker 1: miss it. I'm in it. I'm in History of the
Speaker 1: World Part two. Oh my god, I love that. I'm
Speaker 1: in a scene with Adam Palely. Oh I love I
Speaker 1: had a line and I heard that they cut it.
Speaker 1: But that's okay. I don't think so, honey, MiLB Brooks,
Speaker 1: speaking of I don't think so, honey. I think it's
Speaker 1: time to transition into that segment which Bowen does. You
Speaker 1: and I both know is our sixty second segment where
Speaker 1: we rant on something in culture that absolutely needs a
Speaker 1: pulling down from the perch on which it rests. And
Speaker 1: I have something. It is Oscars related, this sort of
Speaker 1: being the Oscars episode of Last Coat twenty twenty three. Okay,
Speaker 1: this is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so many as
Speaker 1: time starts now, I don't think so, honey. James Cameron
Speaker 1: and Tom Cruise not attending the Oscars because they didn't
Speaker 1: receive individual nominations for their films they produced that were
Speaker 1: nominated for Best Picture. I completely agree with Jimmy Kimmel.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, this idea that you're like,
Speaker 1: go to the theater, go to the theater, go to
Speaker 1: the theater, and then on the one night of the
Speaker 1: year where it's the biggest night in Hollywood and you're
Speaker 1: supposed to celebrate theater, you don't show up because your
Speaker 1: ego is butt hurt that you didn't get a nomination.
Speaker 1: Fucking God, for a bid, you don't make a top
Speaker 1: I've list Tom Cruise for your performance as Tom Cruise
Speaker 1: in Top Gun. Maverick, What exactly did you do to
Speaker 1: marry it a nomination over someone like Paul mescal who's
Speaker 1: fucking moving and brilliant and also not for nothing but
Speaker 1: a new movie star. Doesn't this help the cause? I
Speaker 1: guess not, because nothing matters but you, James Cameron. I
Speaker 1: believe in the way of Water, and I believe in
Speaker 1: the seed Bearer, but I don't believe in your lack
Speaker 1: of attendance at the Academy Awards. It's hypocritical and I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. And that's one minute, like it's stupid,
Speaker 1: And the thing is, you are nominated. James Cameron, you
Speaker 1: are a producer on Avatar The Way of Water, so
Speaker 1: you're nominated show up. It's just so transparent. And Tom
Speaker 1: Cruise as well, a producer of Top Gun Maverick. You
Speaker 1: did get a nomination, Like that is how sensitive you are? You?
Speaker 1: The night is about showing up, literally at the night
Speaker 1: is about being there. Yeah, and you're not there and
Speaker 1: everyone else is showing up, like tons of people were
Speaker 1: there that were snubbed, Like not everyone is gonna win,
Speaker 1: like angel La Baskett lost her category. She didn't leave
Speaker 1: right afterwards. She could have, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: like give me a fucking break. As also as if
Speaker 1: you haven't been like lauded enough, come on, it's just stupid. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree. I agree. And in a world where it
Speaker 1: is even a little bit fixed, like you don't think
Speaker 1: that your lack of attendance isn't also hurting the movie.
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, maybe if Tom Cruise fucking shows
Speaker 1: up at the Oscars, maybe like in a world where
Speaker 1: like the whole thing is fake, Top Gon Maverick does
Speaker 1: win Best Picture, but you wouldn't know and it didn't
Speaker 1: happen because you didn't come. But luckily Nicole Kimmen was
Speaker 1: there giving the performance of a lifetime on the Red carpet.
Speaker 1: There's just some sometimes people do certain things and you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's how a movie start. Acts like a little bit crazy.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna send you right after this, someone dubbed the
Speaker 1: sounds they thought she may have been making on the
Speaker 1: Red carpet, and it's a lot of this m oh oh,
Speaker 1: I love. It's just so funny because what she's doing
Speaker 1: is so insane. Anyway, it's about showing up. You're right,
Speaker 1: we can't blame them. We can't blame these people for
Speaker 1: looking a little weird, behaving a little weirdly when there
Speaker 1: are like a million cameras pointing at them. But I totally,
Speaker 1: But I love kind of laughing at people acting weirdly
Speaker 1: in any situation. I love laughing at people acting weirdly.
Speaker 1: And but here's the thing. It's not in a coal
Speaker 1: that is funny. It's a situation that is funny. And
Speaker 1: it's her galvanization and her sense of at homeness on
Speaker 1: the Red Carpet, which to me is like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what makes a movie star, that little part of
Speaker 1: you that's insane that knows how to do that on
Speaker 1: a red carpet and confidently can do that thing where
Speaker 1: you turn around and look over your shoulder and find
Speaker 1: the cameras, like on a place where you are not
Speaker 1: performing necessarily but posing. It is that meeting of model
Speaker 1: and movie star and like award show opportunist that is
Speaker 1: perfectly combined in that moment, like you know who else
Speaker 1: does it? Fucking Zendeia. Zendia hits the carpet and it's
Speaker 1: like a performance on the red car performances and she
Speaker 1: steps away and then is Zendeia a human? But she
Speaker 1: transcends being a human in that moment. And only so
Speaker 1: many people can leave their body enough to not just
Speaker 1: dissociate on a red carpet, which I know what it's
Speaker 1: like to do, and I feel like I've seen you do,
Speaker 1: and I've definitely seen like Joel Kim do that moment
Speaker 1: where you get on the red carpet and you sort
Speaker 1: of leave your body to be there for a photo.
Speaker 1: These people are like actively being photographed, yeah yeah, and
Speaker 1: they are kind of going the opposite way and be
Speaker 1: and they are a kind of extra present as in
Speaker 1: like yeah, hyper present. Yeah, yes, Bowen Yang do you
Speaker 1: have an I don't think so, honey. Okay, here is
Speaker 1: Bowen Yang's I don't think so, Honeyest time starts now,
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. The tap water not be
Speaker 1: and cold. I need the tap water to be cold
Speaker 1: as ice if it's going to go in my water bottle.
Speaker 1: If the tap water is tepid, I'm not drinking it.
Speaker 1: If the tap water is warm, honey, make it a
Speaker 1: little hotter so I can drink some tea. But the
Speaker 1: only water that it's going down my gullet is ice
Speaker 1: cold water. And that is a preference of mine that
Speaker 1: I think has done me right, has done me well,
Speaker 1: has not done any wrong. Yeah, I think I think
Speaker 1: the whole world could benefit from drinking ice cold tap water. Fifteen.
Speaker 1: And I gotta tell you the UK, or at least
Speaker 1: the standard hotel in the UK in London at King's
Speaker 1: Cross does not have acceptably cold tap water. And it
Speaker 1: means I have to ask room service to send me
Speaker 1: ice so that I can put still water in it.
Speaker 1: And that's one minute. And you know what, at least
Speaker 1: there's a fix which is ice, which is easy to
Speaker 1: get worldwide. But the thing is when the tap water
Speaker 1: is a little too warm. And here's the thing. I
Speaker 1: know you metabolize it quicker, and therefore you hydrate quicker, don't.
Speaker 1: I just prefer cold. I prefer cold, Bow. I prefer cold.
Speaker 1: I need to feel refreshed. And the only way I
Speaker 1: can feel refreshed on a somatic psychosomatic level, my mind
Speaker 1: thinks I feel refreshed if it's cold, if my body
Speaker 1: registers it as Wow, this is a cold drink that
Speaker 1: you would have at any restaurant. I think we need
Speaker 1: to take this out. I'm a high note literally, and
Speaker 1: we do finish every episode with a song. Bow, and
Speaker 1: I'm reaching out to you, and I know what you see.
Speaker 1: I'm reaching out to you with And we end every
Speaker 1: episode with a song. Oh my head, okay, heavens, I
Speaker 1: was happy holding me me up. But you didn't think
Speaker 1: it was a meal. O my god? Whoa mid dwn?
Speaker 1: Do you even know the song? Ke me safe one time?
Speaker 1: One time? Sie fans fuck me in the highest place,
Speaker 1: making up words, slay me when you go off king
Speaker 1: live me up. I'm looking at my sister Boo Yang, amazing,
Speaker 1: thank you. I dedicated that one to you. Thank you, girl,
Speaker 1: I love you, Love you