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Speaker 1: Hi everyone, it's Sophia. Welcome back to Work in Progress today.

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Speaker 1: I have one of my favorite creators on the show

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Speaker 1: and I managed to keep my cool, which honestly is

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Speaker 1: a win. May Martin is on the show today. May

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Speaker 1: is a hilarious Cool Award winning British Canadian comedian, actor, writer,

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Speaker 1: stand up and producer who can currently be seen starring

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Speaker 1: in her own show Feel Good on Netflix. It is

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Speaker 1: a scripted semi autobiographical drama d series that she created

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Speaker 1: and co wrote. The first season co stars Lisa Coudreau,

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Speaker 1: Charlotte Richie and Sophie Thompson, and it earned a perfect

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Speaker 1: one on Rotten Tomatoes and if that wasn't enough, when

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Speaker 1: the Edinburgh TV Award for Best Series. May is currently

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Speaker 1: developing a new young adult drama with Netflix, and her

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Speaker 1: most recent stand up show, Dope Focus on Addiction, has

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Speaker 1: been turned into a stand up special for Netflix. I

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Speaker 1: asked May to come on Work in Progress today because

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Speaker 1: her work is so open and honest and smart and funny.

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Speaker 1: It's brilliantly observant. It makes me feel incredibly seen, and

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Speaker 1: it raises awareness about so many things, from sexuality and

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Speaker 1: identity to addiction and mental health in an incredibly unique

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Speaker 1: way that recognizes what so many people go through and

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Speaker 1: also keeps audiences laughing all through the series. I cannot

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Speaker 1: wait for you all to listen to this special interview

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Speaker 1: because I know you will find me as wonderful, inspiring

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Speaker 1: and interesting as I do. I'm so excited that you're here.

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Speaker 1: I'm really excited and that things are better and less

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Speaker 1: gray also in London than they were a few months ago.

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Speaker 1: It's so weird that we talked at the beginning of

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Speaker 1: Lockdown being like, this is crazy. I guess it would

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Speaker 1: be weird. This is gonna last, Yeah, this will be

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Speaker 1: a couple of weeks, and then here we are. I

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Speaker 1: was thinking today, there's kids who were ten when they

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Speaker 1: started and there now twelve. I mean, that's crazy. It's

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Speaker 1: very surreal. Well, you seem like you've survived it. I

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Speaker 1: love the podcast. Thank you. It's keeping me. It is

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Speaker 1: keeping me saying I just listened to the Hillary Clinton

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Speaker 1: one and it was just amazing. She's such a badass,

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Speaker 1: so cool, yeah, so funny, yeah, and people don't know

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Speaker 1: that and she really she's very very special. And it

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Speaker 1: was also very cute because we got on Zoom and

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Speaker 1: she was in a hoodie and I was like, Hillary Clinton,

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Speaker 1: don't know why. That just really tickled me. I was like,

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Speaker 1: the world understood you more. I love of that. And

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Speaker 1: then weirdly, I'm wearing a power suit. Right now, I'm

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Speaker 1: wearing a Hillary Clinton power We're each wearing pantsuits, matching

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Speaker 1: my god, I don't even know how to talk to people.

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Speaker 1: We had this very small get together last night, so

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Speaker 1: we are for everyone at home. We're recording this um

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Speaker 1: the monday after the Oscars, and one of my very

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Speaker 1: best friends was actually nominated for Best Original Song, which

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Speaker 1: was so cool. So obviously, you know me, I was

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Speaker 1: like weeping at every moment of the show. I was like,

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Speaker 1: is so emotional, just like sobbing. And we've got a

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Speaker 1: couple of people together now that everyone's you know, finally

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Speaker 1: vaccinated because California's rolled it out to everybody, and um,

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Speaker 1: we had this like small little three of the sort

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Speaker 1: at one point I looked over and my friend Cameron goes,

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Speaker 1: you know how you can tell we've been in lockdown

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Speaker 1: for a year. Everyone's talking at the same time where

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Speaker 1: But we've forgotten how to have a conversation. We're just

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Speaker 1: like a pack of everyone's forgotten, yeah, how to be

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Speaker 1: really because nothing's happened. That's so nice. So that's so nice.

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Speaker 1: And your friend got to actually go to the ceremony

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Speaker 1: and everything. Yeah, yeah, it was so cool. They did it,

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Speaker 1: tone down, something in me goes. You're anxious too? Does

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Speaker 1: and maybe you feel this too. It just still photography.

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Speaker 1: It's the worst. And I don't mind watching myself act

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Speaker 1: video and I'm moving, but something happens to my face

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Speaker 1: where it becomes a mask of tension. Yeah. And also

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Speaker 1: I just struggle with formal clothes, Like I had to

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Speaker 1: I'll not go to a friend's wedding because I am

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Speaker 1: The guy was like showing me references of like Tilda

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Speaker 1: was like, I just want to look I don't know,

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Speaker 1: like young Leo. I don't know. But he couldn't handle it,

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Speaker 1: both these cool looking women who have these, you know,

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Speaker 1: spiky short haircuts, and you're like, um, but we're not

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Speaker 1: how I feel in my body or identify or anything.

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Speaker 1: Please don't match me based on my my hair. What

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Speaker 1: thank you. I recently watched Titanic again and I was like, wow,

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Speaker 1: so unattainable in every way. I think that's the really

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Speaker 1: I just watched for the first time. Butch Cassidy and

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Speaker 1: Paul Newman kind of the quintessential movie star. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: he makes great salad dressings, right, I was going to

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Speaker 1: say his gluten free pretzels are phenomenal, exactly. That's my

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Speaker 1: quarantine thing. Yea gluten free pretzels. That sounds good. They're

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Speaker 1: really really nice. This is not actually an episode presented

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Speaker 1: you couldn't just be like this goofy and stand up

426
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 1: like you said, I had to write real jokes. And

427
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,200
Speaker 1: I want to know more about because I wonder when,

428
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,520
Speaker 1: in your sort of stage life, in your in your

429
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:14,359
Speaker 1: comedy life, did you decide to lean into that kind

430
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 1: of vulnerability in your writing because you share such personal things.

431
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,800
Speaker 1: You know, you talk about identity and addiction and family

432
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,600
Speaker 1: relationships and and you know you've said one of my

433
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 1: favorite things that you know you find that the more personal,

434
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:32,920
Speaker 1: the more universal. Oh definitely, absolutely yes, But like where

435
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 1: did that all start? Well? I'm a I'm a real

436
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 1: fan of all kinds of comedy and observational stuff and

437
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:42,320
Speaker 1: really absurd or abstract stuff, but I just don't have

438
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 1: that skill. I'm not that good at writing it. So

439
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 1: I think for years I was trying out different different

440
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,200
Speaker 1: styles and you know, I was young and trying to

441
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,479
Speaker 1: be cool probably, and then I guess, yeah, in my

442
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:57,440
Speaker 1: mid twenties, I started talking about more personal things and

443
00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,240
Speaker 1: there's just such an immediate response from an audience, and

444
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,480
Speaker 1: it just felt like a totally different experience and people

445
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 1: were way more engaged and I found it way more rewarding.

446
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 1: So then that kind of snowballed and I sort of

447
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,200
Speaker 1: kept going deeper and deeper. But I think it also

448
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 1: takes time to like, you know, I was writing about

449
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,439
Speaker 1: addiction and stuff, and you need some distance from things

450
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 1: to process them, I think before you can be self

451
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 1: aware enough to comments on them. I think I think

452
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,439
Speaker 1: I needed a bit of space to to figure it

453
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 1: all out. And then, um, yeah, now it feels like

454
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 1: now holds barred. But is that the expression no holds barred?

455
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,479
Speaker 1: What does that even mean? No, I don't actually know

456
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 1: what bars are we talking about, no holds barred. I

457
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 1: don't think I've ever said barred from something? But why

458
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 1: what's the no holds part? I don't know. Now that

459
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,199
Speaker 1: I've said it, I feel like I've never heard it

460
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,159
Speaker 1: before and I've made it up. But that's like when

461
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 1: I had to spell the word prescriptive recently, and I

462
00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 1: was like, prescriptive, prescriptive, prescript Where does r X come

463
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 1: from for a prescription? I went down such a hole

464
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,359
Speaker 1: that's hold part. Okay, no wait, I'm actually going to

465
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,159
Speaker 1: look it up. Yes, my computers in front of me,

466
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 1: and I can no no holds bars etymology. Let's see.

467
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 1: I bet it'll be like in seventeen hundred William the

468
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:23,439
Speaker 1: Conqueror idium, no holds Barred comes from the sport of wrestling,

469
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 1: in which various holds are employed to pend ones upon it.

470
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 1: Bouts in which the wrestlers did not follow the rules

471
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:32,920
Speaker 1: of the regulated sport of wrestling were advertised as no

472
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:37,399
Speaker 1: holds barred at least print reference found in Manitoba in

473
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 1: eighteen nine two. That's amazing, But so what does it

474
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 1: mean now? Um, free of restrictions, free of restrictions. Yeah, yeah,

475
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 1: we're himpering conventions and okay, yeah, look at that, we

476
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,919
Speaker 1: learned something. I really feel like, does everyone at home

477
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:58,679
Speaker 1: feel smarter? Yeah? Do you remember? Because in asking you

478
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:05,360
Speaker 1: about sort of the transition from teenage comedy to more introspective,

479
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,919
Speaker 1: vulnerable comedy in your twenties, I don't know why, but

480
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 1: I'm like do you remember any of the jokes he

481
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 1: told as a teenager, and then you remember what one

482
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 1: of the first really open ones was as you got older, Like,

483
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 1: are there moments you could share with us that you

484
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 1: that you have those snippets of memory? I think so yes.

485
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:25,919
Speaker 1: I used to in my teens do a lot of

486
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 1: musical comedy and characters and things. So I would do

487
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 1: like I did a song about one time I was

488
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:35,479
Speaker 1: living in this awful apartment, really grungy apartment, and on

489
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,680
Speaker 1: the roof outside my window, Don Cheetle was filming a movie.

490
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,919
Speaker 1: This is when I was a teenager, and I just

491
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 1: stood there the whole day watching him. So I wrote

492
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 1: a song about about wanting to, you know, have sex

493
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,399
Speaker 1: with Don Cheatle basically, and and then so that was

494
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 1: the kind of thing I was doing. And then I

495
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 1: think maybe I remember having a kind of breakthrough moment

496
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,880
Speaker 1: where I talked about this in my mid twenties about

497
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 1: obsessively washing my face, Like I went through a phase

498
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 1: of kind of ten times a day washing my face,

499
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 1: and then I finally said to my mom, you know,

500
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 1: I do this thing, and I don't know why I

501
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,439
Speaker 1: do it, but it's kind of compulsive. I keep washing

502
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,159
Speaker 1: my face, and my mom goes, well, it's because your

503
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 1: face is oily and people can see the oil and

504
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,120
Speaker 1: they think you're a greasy girl. So that was the joke.

505
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 1: It doesn't when I say it without an audience, it

506
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: just sounds like a sad confession. But it was funny

507
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 1: because it was like, oh, that's where that neurosis comes from,

508
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 1: you know, Oh, got it, got it. Yeah, I just

509
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 1: internalized the phrase greasy girl. So I remember audiences responding

510
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,880
Speaker 1: to that, and it felt good too. I don't wash

511
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 1: my face anymore obsessively. I got over it, but that's good.

512
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: At the time, it felt like a quite confessional because

513
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 1: it was a weird, weird thing. And then I'm curious

514
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 1: about the you know, the identity bits, because you've been

515
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 1: so forthcoming about being bisexual and being you know, feeling

516
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: more non binary than anything else, and and those are

517
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 1: coming out for people in their personal lives. Yeah, and

518
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,479
Speaker 1: you've talked so much about it to the world and

519
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 1: really opened that dialogue I think for so many other people.

520
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 1: Oh that's nice, I really do. That's really nice. It's

521
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 1: weird because I think when I started doing comedy, the

522
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 1: first thing that was ever written about me, Like a

523
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 1: review of my comedy said, it's an introducing Gay May

524
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 1: that was the title. But I hadn't talked about my sexuality,

525
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 1: and and I didn't even know who I was. I

526
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 1: was sixteen, and it was like, all right, I guess

527
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 1: I'm I guess I'm gay May. But it took me

528
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 1: a while because everybody else was commenting on it, so

529
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 1: I felt like I had to take control of it

530
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: and clarify. So, yeah, I've always been been pretty open

531
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 1: about it. You were like, I see what you see.

532
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: But I'd also like to have sex with don Jeet

533
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 1: all exactly, Yeah, rampantly, perciously. Um so, yeah, So I

534
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 1: was always clear about that. But then it's it's an

535
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 1: evolving it's an involve oving thing I've I've always been

536
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 1: been by. But then, yeah, recently, feeling like I have

537
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: the language now to express how I feel about gender

538
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 1: and stuff, that's a relatively new thing feeling. I've always

539
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 1: felt like I've had experienced gender dysphoria and things like that,

540
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 1: and I'm often referred to as like a female comedian

541
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 1: or a lesbian comedian, which just isn't how I feel.

542
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 1: It makes me feel. Yeah, dysphoric, I guess in a way.

543
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: So I felt like recently I I should make a

544
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 1: statement I guess about it. I did a thing on Instagram.

545
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 1: But it's there's not a lot of space in the

546
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 1: public conversation for a kind of uncertainty and an ambiguity

547
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 1: and and I'm not certain about anything. And so yeah,

548
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 1: maybe that's good to express sometimes too, because I think

549
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: a lot of people feel that way. Can you explain

550
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 1: a little more about that for for some people who

551
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,479
Speaker 1: may not know, who are listening at home, what does

552
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 1: the dysphoria part mean? And then in terms of this

553
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 1: sort of exploration and uncertainty you're talking about it, I'd

554
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: love to know where that Yeah, sure, if you feel

555
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:09,719
Speaker 1: okay about that. Yeah, So your gender identity is different

556
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 1: to your your sexuality. It's not who you're attracted to,

557
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 1: it's how you feel and in your body and often

558
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: the term and also I get things wrong. So and

559
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 1: it's always scary wighing into these conversations because you're like,

560
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: am I going to say, am I going to use

561
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 1: the right language or whatever? But I think if you

562
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 1: are transgender, non binary, then often your biological sex doesn't

563
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 1: match how you feel in yourself or there's some discrepancy

564
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: between those two things. And I've sort of always felt

565
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 1: that and felt not like a girl but not like

566
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 1: a boy, which I guess I was like in a

567
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: suede waistcoat doing a Clint Eastwood dialogue. You know. Yeah,

568
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 1: I definitely always felt, always felt that way. That was

569
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: your mirror acting in your childhood. You're real, hey kid, Yeah,

570
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: I was like dirty Harry. Yeah, it's funny. It never

571
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 1: it was never really a thing. My family was so open,

572
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 1: So it was only really when I started doing comedy

573
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 1: and people started putting labels on me or that it

574
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: started to feel not right. Also, I moved to England

575
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: from Canada, and I think England's a little bit behind,

576
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 1: and like gay marriage was legal when I was a

577
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: teenager in Canada, and it just felt a lot more,

578
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 1: a lot more integrated and chill. Yeah. And then so

579
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 1: I guess in the past couple of years, I've been

580
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 1: learning more about non binary identity and the very rich

581
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 1: history of recognizing multiple genders, and and that it's kind

582
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 1: of a recent colonial thing to have such a binary

583
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,719
Speaker 1: view of gender, which I didn't realize. And there's all

584
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: kinds of interesting political stuff around that that I had

585
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 1: no idea about. And yeah, so I guess just recently,

586
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: I've been thinking if I was growing up now, I

587
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 1: probably would have always said that, And people are getting

588
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 1: more relaxed about using neutral pronouns or that kind of thing.

589
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: So it's just something I'm exploring. And I think writing

590
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 1: feel good sort of prompted that that's really cool. I guess. So,

591
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 1: I don't know, but it's like it's so weird. It's

592
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: because it's such a small part of who I am,

593
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 1: you know, but then it gets put to the forefront.

594
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: And yeah, so on the one hand, it's really nice

595
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 1: and I had such amazing feedback from doing that Instagram post,

596
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 1: but then also, you know, you don't want it to

597
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: become the defining thing about about you. Yeah, I guess

598
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 1: what I think is really cool is the the the

599
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 1: reaction to when someone says, oh, you're this and it

600
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 1: doesn't make you feel good, and then you can say, no, actually,

601
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you what I believe for me,

602
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: and you can you can put it out there, and

603
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: then to your point, you can move on and just

604
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 1: get back to work. I think it does two very

605
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: cool things where it gives other people permission to do

606
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: the same, which is such a huge gift that we

607
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: can all give each other in community. And also when

608
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 1: you just get back to it, to the rest of it,

609
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 1: everyone's like, oh right, oh, so right, it's not like

610
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 1: a big we don't need to keep talking about this.

611
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 1: Oh it's it's kind of to your point, um, how

612
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: it can feel so strange to see how different places

613
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: can be so rigid about the same ideas or laws.

614
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: Like you just referenced gay marriage being legal in Canada,

615
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 1: and to me, I always was like, but why does

616
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 1: Canada just let people be who they are and also

617
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: have healthcare? And why don't we why is this up

618
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,479
Speaker 1: for debate, and like why do we call it gay marriage?

619
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 1: It's just marriage. I didn't like, you know, you've seen

620
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 1: that that adage, like I didn't gay park my car.

621
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: I just exactly. And I think that the more we

622
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: can just be ourselves, but also by being ourselves remind

623
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: people that every single human the right to be exactly

624
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: who they are, totally, it can feel a little less

625
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 1: like it's a big deal in the first place. Yes,

626
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: and I made the mistake of reading the comments on

627
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 1: some article about me saying I'm non binary. It's hell.

628
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 1: But a lot of the responses were like, who cares?

629
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 1: This is so boring? Who cares? And I kind of agree,

630
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: But the annoying thing is people do care. And when

631
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: I'm out in the world almost daily, my gender is

632
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 1: a thing that stresses people out, Like like I get

633
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: in toilets, I got women challenging me if I'm in

634
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: the right toilet. I get people in clothing stores getting

635
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 1: stressed out about which section I should shop in, Like

636
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 1: it does happen all the time. So it would be

637
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 1: great if it wasn't a thing, but it kind of

638
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 1: still is so. And then also with with bisexuality, I

639
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: feel like I feel like that's always an important flag

640
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 1: for me to wave, just because it's so invisible. Because

641
00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 1: if you're in a heterosexual relationship, people just assume you're stright,

642
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 1: and we kind of operate on the default that everyone's straight,

643
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 1: and then if they're not, they have to tell you,

644
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: which is you know what I mean. We make a

645
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 1: lot of assumptions. And then if you're in the same

646
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 1: sex relationship, it's assumed that you're gay. And then I

647
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 1: think if you have short hair like me, there's a

648
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 1: lot of assumptions. So yeah, that feels like a cool

649
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: thing to be, Like I promised, tons of people are

650
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,800
Speaker 1: by it's a real thing. Yeah, And to your point,

651
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: it's so interesting to me to see how we've sort

652
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 1: of been reduced to these binaries because it isn't the

653
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 1: way we evolved at all. You know, when you when

654
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,439
Speaker 1: you study history and you're like, oh, the whole Roman

655
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:44,439
Speaker 1: army was like gay lovers, right, you know, the all

656
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 1: these things where people say, no, it's just a you know,

657
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: why why are all these kids today like this? I

658
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 1: remember incredible author who came on the podcast in this

659
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 1: in the first season, glenn and Doyle her grandmother, because

660
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: Glennon was famously this like big writer in the Christian

661
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: space and you know, married to a man and had

662
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 1: all these kids and and then found out her husband

663
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 1: had cheated on her forever and ended her marriage and

664
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 1: fell in love with a woman, very famously, and Glennon's

665
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 1: grandma was like, well, I just want to know, you know,

666
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: why is everyone so gay today? And she was, Grandma,

667
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: Everyone's always been so gay, they're now they're just free.

668
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. And I love I love that because yeah,

669
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 1: science and history tells us there that there have always

670
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 1: been so many versions of expressions of humanity and love

671
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: and sexuality and identity because there are so many humans

672
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 1: and it's like, you can't we just be all these

673
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 1: cool humans? Yeah, I didn't realize some I mean, growing up,

674
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:47,800
Speaker 1: you just don't learn that that that strict gender binary

675
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 1: is a relatively recent thing and a Western thing. And

676
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 1: then all of these indigenous cultures not only recognized but

677
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: really celebrated, you know, third or fourth genders. You know,

678
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: they were kind of so that that's cool to enough. Well,

679
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 1: and when you really get into it, because this is

680
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: a ship I love is the recent, you know, westernized

681
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 1: colonial expression of this rigidity of a binary really is

682
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: just a byproduct of agriculture and capitalism, because then you

683
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: were trading your daughters for cattle and land. I mean

684
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 1: people were doing it was like these were business mergers,

685
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 1: not actual marriages. But it was like we're going to

686
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: marry this girl to that guy and then we'll have

687
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 1: all this property and we'll get seven cows, and like

688
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 1: it was literally just a financial thing. Yeah, and that's

689
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 1: why it was about ownership and payment, not really what

690
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 1: anybody wanted to be doing, totally. And also I think

691
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 1: it's so important and exciting to realize that it's not

692
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,720
Speaker 1: just kind of queer people or trans people that benefit

693
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 1: from sort of breaking down this rigid binary. It's everyone,

694
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: because what an insane amount of pressure and weirdness goes

695
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:01,240
Speaker 1: into all of that culture. Yeah. I saw this tweet

696
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: this week. Somebody was like, survey says, you know, girls

697
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 1: are nervous about out earning their boyfriends. And I mean

698
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 1: we saw the woman had retweeted it. It was like, literally,

699
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 1: none of us are saying this, pay us more money, totally.

700
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: And also most of my friends are straight male columnics,

701
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 1: my best friends, and I just think about men's mental

702
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: health and yeah, and male suicide, that kind of thing,

703
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 1: and so much of that is to do with this

704
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 1: pressure to be a certain way, you know. Like in

705
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: my head, I get a visual almost of like all

706
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 1: of us being in a crop pot together and I'm like,

707
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: maybe we would just take the lid off and like party. Yeah.

708
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: I have a visual of us all in a cult

709
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 1: in the desert, just naked, and uh, yeah, You're like, no,

710
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 1: it's but but my cult is a freedom cult, guys.

711
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, my cult is a good cult. I'm a

712
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 1: benevolent cult leader, but I always think about the sixties

713
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: and seventies and how it must have felt more free.

714
00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 1: But I think that maybe is a false a I'm

715
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 1: always like, I wish I was there in the sixties,

716
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 1: but it was probably pretty bad, right, Yeah, Like there

717
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: was a brief moment I think of sort of flower

718
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: power and hippie culture, but maybe you know, anytime you

719
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: go backwards, I'm sure a lot of other stuff was worse. Yeah.

720
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 1: I think there's moments in so many eras I would

721
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 1: love to relive, and I'm glad for the ever increasing

722
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: transparency of this one. We gotta stay positive, yeah, we do.

723
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 1: And I will say one of the things that I'm

724
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,839
Speaker 1: really looking for into this year is the season two

725
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 1: of your show is coming out, because you know that

726
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,720
Speaker 1: I've been like waiting. I've just been waiting. I've been waiting.

727
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 1: I'm like everyone's get on Netflix and my hearing it,

728
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: and I'm like, she would have posted about it on Instagram?

729
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 1: Why am I looking um? But truly, I feel good

730
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 1: is such an amazing show. And not to be like

731
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: so emo and in my feelings, but I am pretty

732
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:55,839
Speaker 1: sure I've already admitted this to you, so I feel

733
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 1: that I need to admitted to the audience. But I

734
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 1: was watching the show and I I just binged it.

735
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: And I mean, I also talked about this on Instagram.

736
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: So if you're listening and you haven't seen this show,

737
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 1: I don't know why you haven't listened to me and

738
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 1: my recommendations before, but please get it together. Um I

739
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 1: said to you. I was like, I I just felt

740
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 1: so seen. I was like, this show makes me feel seen.

741
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: Thank you. Yeah, I hope it's kind of broadly accessible

742
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 1: and just about connection and people. And because someone was

743
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: I was doing an interview about it recently and they

744
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 1: were like, why did you choose to write about these

745
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 1: topical issues? And it's like, I really didn't like gender,

746
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 1: I guess their sexuality, But to me, it's about so

747
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: much more than that. It's just about people and friendship

748
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: and mothers and so many things. Well, and that was

749
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:48,959
Speaker 1: it for me. It's like, obviously, you know the show

750
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 1: is based on your story, and obviously then you know,

751
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,360
Speaker 1: as I'm sure everyone at home knows, you take certain

752
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,720
Speaker 1: things and you dramatize them or you change the outcome

753
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 1: of of a moment because it's better for the narrative

754
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: of the show. So I don't mean to, you know,

755
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: make it sound as though this is a documentary about

756
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: your life, but it is this brutally honest and beautifully

757
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:13,760
Speaker 1: funny and poignant, dark comedy that just made me laugh

758
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 1: my ass off. And what you are exploring in in

759
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 1: the character of May you know who you said, like earlier,

760
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 1: you reference that there's a journey to self awareness about

761
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 1: what you go through. You know, you're saying that you

762
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 1: had to get a little on the other side of

763
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 1: addiction to be able to then do comedy about it.

764
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 1: And uh, and you've talked about how the character of

765
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:37,399
Speaker 1: May as you watch her on the show is not

766
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 1: in a place where she is self aware enough to

767
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 1: have been able to write the character of May. Yeah,

768
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 1: and also to write all the dissenting voices of the

769
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 1: other characters, right, because the thing what would it be

770
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 1: like to be my parent? And how stressful would that be?

771
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 1: And then you know, so yeah, yeah, but I I

772
00:41:55,400 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 1: loved that in the package, you know, when, as you say,

773
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 1: people are like, why did you write about these heavy things,

774
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 1: You're like, this is just life. In the package of

775
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 1: this life is really just an exploration of like I

776
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 1: don't know if I'm doing enough. I don't know if

777
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 1: I'm good enough. Am I going to feel that way? Also,

778
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 1: anxiety is intense. Maybe I'm just voicing what I talk

779
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: about in therapy, but these are the things that made

780
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 1: me feel as seen. And I was like, yes, like

781
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 1: the the specificity, the personal, you know, is the framework,

782
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: but like, these are big questions that I think so

783
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 1: many people are struggling with all while trying to figure out,

784
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 1: you know, how to be our parents, children, and how

785
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 1: to be in love and be a partner to someone.

786
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 1: And it's it's just so beautiful. Thanks, that's so nice.

787
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 1: And we wrote season two and filmed it all during lockdown,

788
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 1: So I wonder, I wonder how that's informed it kind

789
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 1: of I think at all. Oh no, no, no, I

790
00:42:56,000 --> 00:43:00,359
Speaker 1: think everyone needs some escapism it um, yeah, but I'm

791
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 1: sure that thematically there's stuff in there about kind of

792
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 1: isolation and connection and loneliness and you know, existential doom

793
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 1: about the world. So I think that's all in there.

794
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: This this constant kind of battle that I think we

795
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 1: all feel between pessimism and optimism when you read the

796
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: news and and trying to stay super optimistic, which we

797
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 1: have to and should, but when there's this huge weight

798
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 1: of bad news, you know, this year, so I think

799
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,280
Speaker 1: that's all in there, and then yeah, it's super personal again.

800
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 1: So it's like, yeah, I hope people like it, but

801
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 1: season one so that people can catch up or just

802
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 1: relive watching it because they listened to me and watched

803
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: it last March. What are the what are some of

804
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 1: the stories you could tell us about it? Because there

805
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 1: were moments where I was like, I need to know

806
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 1: what the behind the scenes of this scene was, because

807
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 1: it feels so funny to me, Like when you are

808
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 1: locked in that closet and George's classroom with the oregonmy birds,

809
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 1: I was howling, howling, laughing, and I just feel like

810
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: there are some really good stories that you might be

811
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:14,240
Speaker 1: able to share with us about it from behind the scenes.

812
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 1: One was just something that was ridiculous. I mean, so

813
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 1: I just spent the whole time laughing so much. Also,

814
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: like I said, like, having never acted and never had

815
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 1: to sort of look into someone's eyes up close, I

816
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 1: mean I just laughed the whole time. I found it hilarious,

817
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:34,839
Speaker 1: and I had, you know, Lisa Kudros in it, who's

818
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 1: such a hero and Everything she does makes me laugh,

819
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 1: and I was so desperate to get her to laugh

820
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: because I watched friends bloopers to cheer myself up, and

821
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,439
Speaker 1: her laugh is iconic, right, she has this kind of

822
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 1: cackle um. So luckily I did manage to do that

823
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 1: and we laughed a lot. And also Charlotte who plays

824
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,720
Speaker 1: George as a friend of mine, and so that was very,

825
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:58,919
Speaker 1: very funny all the time. Really to be kind of

826
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: dry hump her on a on a bed, there was

827
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: a there was a lot of laughter. Yeah, she was

828
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 1: she She would improvise things and say them in my

829
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,399
Speaker 1: ear and then I'd get in trouble for laughing, but

830
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: they couldn't hear what she was saying. She did it. Yeah, Yeah,

831
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 1: do you laugh a lot. There's always a point where

832
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: every no one else is laughing and the crew is

833
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 1: angry at you and you're sweating. Well, I'm pretty good

834
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 1: at keeping it together, and then I'll get like the

835
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 1: church giggles, and it's like I'm demonically possessed. I'm convulsing

836
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 1: and i can't stop laughing. Sometimes It's happened to me

837
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 1: a few times at work where I've I've gotten it

838
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 1: so bad that I've I've wound up crying, just full

839
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: tears of laughter, and then because I'm trying to stop

840
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 1: myself from laughing, I get the hiccups, and I'm just like,

841
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: this is everything over. I just just put me out

842
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 1: to pasture, like we have to be done. That's the

843
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 1: next level. It's so embarrassing but also so fun when

844
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: you have a moment. Yeah, well that that feeling of

845
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 1: not being allowed to laugh and being convulsing is the

846
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 1: best feeling. I have a problem where my anytime I

847
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 1: have to kiss anyone, my ears go bright red. Not

848
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 1: in real life, but I mean scarlet, like like blood red.

849
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 1: I can't explain like glowing and exactly strawberries on the

850
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:19,280
Speaker 1: side of my head and it comes. So it started

851
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 1: early on, and then people were like coding makeup on

852
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:24,399
Speaker 1: my ears, like so much makeup. And then there's someone

853
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 1: coming in with a paintbrush between takes and like painting

854
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 1: my ears with this cold this cold foundation, and it's

855
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 1: just really kills the mood. You know. Well, there's also

856
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 1: nothing that's less sexy than having to shoot a sex scene. Yeah,

857
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 1: because there's people everywhere and the cameras right next to

858
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 1: your face, and you're and you're sitting there going wait,

859
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: you need me to move my nose? Wait, hold on,

860
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: So if my nose is against you're not wait an

861
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 1: in to the left. Oh you're up okay. And everyone's

862
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 1: always like, wow, what's that like? And you're like terrible,

863
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 1: terrible exactly, And then also being an exact producer on it,

864
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 1: I'm like thinking about the angles and I've got so

865
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,799
Speaker 1: much else that's going on, And you wrote the whole show.

866
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 1: I literally cannot faboline how you did that. I co

867
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 1: wrote it with my my friend Joe Hampson, who's Yeah,

868
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 1: we we created it together. And luckily he's on set

869
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 1: the whole time by the camera, so I have a

870
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:26,359
Speaker 1: real anchor emotionally as well a lot of hugs. And

871
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 1: it's so nice writing with someone who you're trying to

872
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: make laugh. It really makes you funnier because you're just

873
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 1: trying to impress each other all the time. You know, Yeah,

874
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 1: i'd I'd imagine that writing a comedy alone would be

875
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 1: rather sad. How could you do it? I don't know

876
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:42,359
Speaker 1: how people do it. Yeah. I have to have him

877
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 1: sitting across from a table for me, and then I

878
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 1: we email each other the scenes that we're working on

879
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:49,800
Speaker 1: and if he doesn't laugh out loud, I'm humiliated. You

880
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 1: just toss your whole laptop in the garbage. You're like,

881
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:56,320
Speaker 1: I'm fired. Yeah, I'm fired myself. Yeah. And then working

882
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 1: with Charlotte because she's a friend. It was so fun

883
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 1: in season two, knowing her a lot better than I

884
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 1: did for season one, to write kind of in her voice,

885
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 1: and to think about ways to infuse her essence into

886
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:13,399
Speaker 1: that character and and give her stuff that would really fly,

887
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 1: you know. It was it was really fun. That is

888
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 1: always my favorite, getting into the rhythm on a show

889
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:22,760
Speaker 1: where the writer's really, do you understand the way you speak?

890
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 1: I was. I was so lucky on the one I

891
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 1: just worked on, you know, to to be also on

892
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 1: the on the back end as a producer, to be

893
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 1: able to talk to the writer and just say, like,

894
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 1: this sentence feels awkward in my mouth. I don't I

895
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 1: don't shape words like this. Can I say it this way?

896
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 1: You know? Can I do this? And And as as

897
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:45,359
Speaker 1: they hear you speak and you feel heard and you

898
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 1: find this character's voice together, it's such a cool exercise

899
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 1: and that makes such a difference, and it's such a

900
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 1: hard thing to explain, like these words just don't feel

901
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 1: right in my mouth. But it's so valid, and I

902
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 1: think all writers should list and the actors when they

903
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: say that, because it's only going to make it more

904
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 1: natural when they do. Does writing for so many people,

905
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 1: Because you know, you mentioned you're you're writing for Charlotte,

906
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 1: and I'm like, God, you're writing for Lisa Coudra. I like,

907
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 1: I must say, I'm very proud of myself. You were

908
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 1: talking about her and I was like, yeah, wow, that's great.

909
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 1: But like I remember when she first came on the

910
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:19,840
Speaker 1: screen and I was like, she go Lisa fucking coud

911
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 1: to play her mom. She's such a legend. I'd like

912
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: every single thing that woman's ever done, I just think

913
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 1: is so brilliant. Me too. I just started watching clock

914
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 1: Watchers from the nineties, which is what list it's have

915
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:35,760
Speaker 1: you seen it? It's Lisa could writing it down. Listen

916
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 1: to this cast Lisa Coudro, Parker Posey and Tony Collette

917
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:44,839
Speaker 1: and they played Temps Temps in an office and they're

918
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 1: all just such big personalities. It's so funny. That's great. Yeah,

919
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:51,800
Speaker 1: writing for her was amazing, and we actually weirdly wrote

920
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 1: with her in mind, But I swear it never in

921
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 1: a million years even thinking that we would send her

922
00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 1: the scripts. We just found it easier to write with

923
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 1: someone in mind, so we'd be like, oh, you know,

924
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 1: like Lisa couldro would say it this way, and then

925
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 1: we sent her the scripts just on a whim. Yeah,

926
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 1: and she she got back in touch right away. It

927
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 1: was amazing, mind blowing. Ah, it's so cool. Do you

928
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 1: think that being able to write for so many people

929
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 1: at once makes it a little easier? Does it? Does

930
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 1: some of the pressure come off because you're doing it

931
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 1: with with like a collective of characters in mind? Yeah? Maybe?

932
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 1: I think it's definitely helpful therapeutically to have to imagine

933
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:33,799
Speaker 1: other people's viewpoints. You know, can stand up Stand Up

934
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:39,760
Speaker 1: is so solid, cystic, it's just one unchallenged narrator talking

935
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 1: of so one sided and so therapeutically, it was really

936
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:47,240
Speaker 1: interesting and helpful to think about other characters and knowing

937
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 1: that some of what you're sharing is is your personal story.

938
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:54,240
Speaker 1: Does that then mean that you have more deeply personal

939
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 1: interactions with viewers? Like do you just get so many

940
00:50:57,160 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 1: Instagram d m s about people's reactions to show? Yeah?

941
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 1: I really do and and really personal stuff and I

942
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 1: love it and I try to respond, but I really

943
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 1: like the people have connected in that in that really

944
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 1: personal way. But it's some Some of the stuff in

945
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 1: the show is stuff that I haven't even said to

946
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 1: my closest friends out loud. So it's a really strange

947
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 1: exercise too then share it, but then it's out there,

948
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 1: and yeah, you feel you definitely feel heard and sane,

949
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 1: and it's really nice. It's cool. I guess I wonder

950
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 1: too about what about that sometimes because as a sensitive person,

951
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 1: as an empathic person, you're on the receiving end of

952
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:43,240
Speaker 1: so much and people do share sometimes really really personal things.

953
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 1: How do you make sure that you have tenderness for

954
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:50,320
Speaker 1: those shares, but also a little bit of a barrier,

955
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:53,319
Speaker 1: like a like a boundary for yourself to just to

956
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 1: make sure you're you're conserving a little of your own

957
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: energy for you. Yeah, you must get that too. With

958
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 1: the podcast and talking about mental health and stuff all

959
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 1: the time with people, really they then really open up

960
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:08,319
Speaker 1: to you. And and for me doing stand up, I'm

961
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 1: pretty easy to find. Some people people come and you know,

962
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:14,840
Speaker 1: they wait after and they want to talk about addiction.

963
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 1: Some of them are currently in the throes of addiction

964
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 1: or going through big hard stuff. I mean I always

965
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:25,360
Speaker 1: sort of direct people to health care professionals. You know.

966
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 1: I'm always like, I'm not qualified, but I try and

967
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:34,360
Speaker 1: listen and empathize. But yeah, I end up telling a

968
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:36,800
Speaker 1: lot of people to get to talk to a therapist,

969
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,319
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, I mean because I have to. You know,

970
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 1: everyone should. I could think, I think so it's hard, though,

971
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 1: I guess it's. Well, I think about this, you know,

972
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 1: this worldwide obsession with fitness. Everyone do this for your body,

973
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 1: do this for your longevity. This will help you age well.

974
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 1: And I'm like, are we not going to talk about that?

975
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 1: Our brains need the gym. Also, yeah, that's such a

976
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 1: good point. But that's how I think about therapy. I'm like,

977
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 1: it's it's brain, Jim. Yeah, it is like going and

978
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:08,399
Speaker 1: getting going through a car wash with your brain. If

979
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 1: it's I mean, when it's good. Sometimes it's just like

980
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:14,240
Speaker 1: stirring up a muddy pond. Well, but I think about

981
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:17,319
Speaker 1: therapy also follow me here. It's going to sound weird

982
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 1: when I say it, but it's a little bit like dating.

983
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 1: Not everyone is your person. It can take a minute

984
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 1: to find the right person who doesn't just stir you up,

985
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:28,319
Speaker 1: like who actually helps you sift through some things and

986
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 1: definitely getting organized up up in here. I only recently

987
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 1: was like I should get a therapist. I went to

988
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 1: a couple before I found someone I really liked, and

989
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,880
Speaker 1: one of the first ones was give she googled me

990
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 1: and had washed a lot of my stand up and

991
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 1: then she was giving me notes like I She was like,

992
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 1: I really preferred your older stuff. Yeah, yeah, it's not

993
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 1: good and you know yeah. She had a lot of

994
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 1: feedback on the on the actual content of my stand

995
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 1: up and was kind of like, maybe you'll write about me.

996
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 1: This is all in the first session. Oh, thank my god.

997
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:09,720
Speaker 1: I know that makes me think about I just watched

998
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:13,319
Speaker 1: Mike for Biglio's new special and he's talking about going

999
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 1: to the urologist and like the doctor's obviously it's an

1000
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 1: awkward thing as a man, and um, he says something like, oh,

1001
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 1: you know, I'm a comedian because the guy's like asking

1002
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:27,279
Speaker 1: what he does, and he goes, well, how come you're

1003
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 1: not funny? Now looked at the doctor and he was

1004
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:33,839
Speaker 1: like the thing I couldn't say to him was so

1005
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:38,239
Speaker 1: this interaction, I'm going to go tell this story in

1006
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 1: a room full of people, and you will be the joke.

1007
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:49,319
Speaker 1: Oh good, Yeah, you are the punchline. You are the

1008
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 1: joke next weekend funny. Does this kind of feel like

1009
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 1: this moment, you know, taking your comedy to this place

1010
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:03,840
Speaker 1: making the show? Obviously, you know, getting a season, getting

1011
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:06,880
Speaker 1: a thing made is so next to impossible, and so

1012
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 1: you made it, and then now you're making a second season.

1013
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:14,399
Speaker 1: Does this kind of feel phenomenal? Is there a weight

1014
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 1: to it? Is it both are? Are you like living

1015
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 1: their dream? It feels amazing. It's just so surreal that

1016
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,840
Speaker 1: it's all happened during the pandemics. The show came out

1017
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 1: in March, and I really have barely left my apartment.

1018
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 1: So I have a sense online that that people liked it,

1019
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:34,919
Speaker 1: But I haven't felt that out in the world because

1020
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 1: I haven't been out in the world, and so that

1021
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 1: that's weird. And maybe it's good that it happened that way,

1022
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:44,719
Speaker 1: because it, you know, had not nothing to distract me

1023
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 1: when I was writing the second season. And yeah, so

1024
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:50,840
Speaker 1: it does feel really exciting, and it's exciting knowing we

1025
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:53,360
Speaker 1: always knew we wanted to do just two seasons and

1026
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 1: and have it be contained love story like that. So

1027
00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 1: it's exciting knowing I've kind of done the best I

1028
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 1: can with that and now I can do something else.

1029
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 1: And you and Phoebe while are bridge, you just give

1030
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 1: us our favorite thing and then after two seasons you

1031
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:13,400
Speaker 1: take it away. That's the British ways good so ice cold.

1032
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:15,760
Speaker 1: It's so ice cold, and I don't think it's always

1033
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:17,879
Speaker 1: the best way, but but it's just so different, Like

1034
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 1: with the British Office that was two seasons and a

1035
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 1: Christmas special, but then the American Office is incredible as well,

1036
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:27,319
Speaker 1: and that you know, went on and on. But you're

1037
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 1: You're not just you know, ripping our joy away from us. You.

1038
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:35,959
Speaker 1: You also wrote a book, Can Everyone Please Calm Down?

1039
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:39,400
Speaker 1: A Guide to twenty one Century Sexuality. Um. It was

1040
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 1: actually published in May of nineteen so pre pandemic. But

1041
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 1: I know, you know, you were doing so much talking

1042
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:48,440
Speaker 1: about it this year. What is the difference between the

1043
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 1: process as a writer, because you work in all these verticals,

1044
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 1: you write stand up and you write TV and you

1045
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:58,360
Speaker 1: wrote this book. Is there a difference to the process

1046
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:01,239
Speaker 1: or does it all kind of feel the same? Um,

1047
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:06,360
Speaker 1: it feels the same kind of emotionally and in my brain.

1048
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:09,839
Speaker 1: But the processes are totally different. Yeah, at the stand up,

1049
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 1: I improvise a lot in the beginning, and I approach it.

1050
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:14,440
Speaker 1: I have a theme that I know I want to

1051
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 1: explore and not sometimes research it like an essay, and

1052
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 1: then go and and improvise it. And then the book

1053
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 1: was I was taking a radio series I've done and

1054
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 1: kind of adapting it into a book, so that that

1055
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 1: was cool. I did it. I never went to high school,

1056
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 1: so I didn't have all of these skills, these research skills,

1057
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Speaker 1: so I really had to learn fast. And I'd only

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Speaker 1: really written tweets, you know, So it was that was

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Speaker 1: a real learning curve. But I liked it a lot.

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00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 1: I'd like to write another book. What was the learning curve?

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00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 1: What are what are the things that you learned that

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00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 1: helped you be a you know, properly productive writer. Well,

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00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 1: because I wrote the show with Joe and I write

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00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 1: stand up kind of on stage with that immediate feedback,

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Speaker 1: I guess it was just the self discipline of of

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Speaker 1: writing with no feedback and no reward, you know, with

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00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 1: just a long term kind of hypothetical rewards. So it

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Speaker 1: was just the self discipline and treating it like a

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00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 1: nine to five. But I want to do so many

1070
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 1: weird things. I'd love to write, like a poetry book.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, wouldn't Yeah? Also, like, what

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Speaker 1: about a murder mystery? Stop? It's my dream. I love

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Speaker 1: a murder mystery. You you are the one who gave

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Speaker 1: me lamant. Oh yes, So I have recommended that show

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00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 1: to so many people. Everyone listening catch up. It's a

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00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 1: French murder mystery on Netflix. It's unbelievable. Yeah. I've trolled

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Speaker 1: through all of the French murder mysteries on Netflix, a

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00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 1: lot of the Scandinavian ones. I love it. Yeah, well,

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00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 1: we should do a murder mystery. I used to go

1080
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Speaker 1: to these dinner theater shows when I was a kid.

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Speaker 1: Did do you ever do those like immersive theater things?

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00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 1: So I go with my dad and then the actors

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00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 1: are kind of among you, and someone would get murdered,

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Speaker 1: and I thought that would be I could do that

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00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 1: happily until being in a game of clue. Yeah, amazing, Yeah,

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00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 1: I really love that. Okay, so we know you unwind

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00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 1: watching murder mysteries. What else? As a director, writer, and

1088
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 1: producer of television do you like to watch. Oh I

1089
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 1: got asked us the other day and it was so

1090
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 1: embarrassing saying, um, married at first sight and these realities.

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00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 1: Do you know married at first sight? I've heard of it. Okay,

1092
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 1: So they meet on their wedding day and then they

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00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 1: go on their honeymoon and they have to see if

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00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 1: they if it works, and they've been paired by experts,

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00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 1: and it's just I mean brings out that. Yeah, it did.

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Speaker 1: The recent season that I watched, and there's every season

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00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 1: is like seven episodes. There's so long. But there was

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00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 1: a couple that they now have kids, and I got

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00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 1: really invested in their story. I also watch a lot

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00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 1: of Survivor, the old seasons of Survivor. I love Jeff Probes.

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00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 1: But yeah, like I'm trying to watch the class Sex now,

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01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:04,040
Speaker 1: so I'm I'm rewatching a lot of old The Graduate

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01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:05,960
Speaker 1: and One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest and those kinds

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Speaker 1: of things. I always tell myself I'm going to do that.

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01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:11,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm going to put myself through film school. Yeah,

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01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:13,800
Speaker 1: and then the next year on New Year's I'm like,

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01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 1: this is the year that I'm going to put myself

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Speaker 1: through film school. I know, well that a friend of

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01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:23,200
Speaker 1: mine is doing watching every Best Picture winner. Uh and

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01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:25,720
Speaker 1: for the past fifty years or something. I think that's

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Speaker 1: a good way to do it. That's a really good idea. Yeah,

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01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:31,960
Speaker 1: that's a really good idea. Okay, yeah, I can put

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Speaker 1: that on the list. What have you been watching? Oh?

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Speaker 1: What have I been watching? Um? It's it's so hard.

1115
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 1: All the days kind of bleed into one and you're like,

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01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:44,960
Speaker 1: I know, I've watched stuff. Yeah, I know. Yeah, well

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01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:48,440
Speaker 1: I watched Speaking of French shows, I watched Lupin, which

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01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 1: I thought was amazing, Yes, amazing. I just god, I

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01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:55,280
Speaker 1: loved that so much. I watched Sharp Objects with Amy

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Speaker 1: Adams obsessed, so it's so good. I mean, I love

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01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:03,880
Speaker 1: a sinister mother character and my god, me too. I

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01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:06,479
Speaker 1: read that book in a day. I loved it so much.

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Speaker 1: That's my kind of darkness. I was just like, go

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01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:12,440
Speaker 1: all the way in there, let's go. And I immediately

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01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:15,080
Speaker 1: I emailed like every person on my team and said,

1126
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:16,680
Speaker 1: does anyone have the rights to this book? And they

1127
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:18,760
Speaker 1: were like, we're so sorry. Amy Adams bought it, and

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Speaker 1: I was like, well, if anybody's going to get it,

1129
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 1: be her, because she's a phenomenal Um. Yeah, I god,

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Speaker 1: I loved that. And then there's actually speaking of the

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01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:30,680
Speaker 1: TV that HBO is doing really well. I mean this

1132
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:32,960
Speaker 1: was last year, but I may destroy you. I thought

1133
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:37,880
Speaker 1: it was so incredible. Now I'm watching Made for Love.

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01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 1: Oh I haven't seen that. Oh my god, it's really

1135
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 1: funny and dark and great. Great Search Party. I watched

1136
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:49,160
Speaker 1: Search Party. I think Search Party is one of the

1137
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:53,480
Speaker 1: best shows of the past ten years. Brilliant. Yeah, it's brilliant.

1138
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 1: It's so funny. John Early is so funny, He's so good.

1139
01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:03,600
Speaker 1: And then Murder Mysteries. Did you see Vera? No English

1140
01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:07,480
Speaker 1: Murder Mystery Vera, You're welcome, My god, everyone says it's fabulous.

1141
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:11,920
Speaker 1: And Murder on Middle Beach No, how find okay? And

1142
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:15,000
Speaker 1: then oh, another French show. I don't believe it revolves

1143
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:17,880
Speaker 1: around the murder, but lib Bureaux they said it's like

1144
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:21,200
Speaker 1: um like French Homeland is supposed to be great. Oh,

1145
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:25,320
Speaker 1: and I'm watching um Call My Agent, which is hilarious.

1146
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:27,160
Speaker 1: I really I really just like the French. I guess

1147
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 1: I think I like the French and they're making a

1148
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:32,640
Speaker 1: British version of that, which is going to be really good.

1149
01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:35,560
Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, that's great, you should be on that.

1150
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:38,520
Speaker 1: I'd love to. I just auditioned for Star Wars Sophia.

1151
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:41,120
Speaker 1: I don't audition for I don't act, right, I've only

1152
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 1: played myself, but I would I would like to, I think.

1153
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:47,600
Speaker 1: But I just auditioned for some Star Wars saying and

1154
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:50,440
Speaker 1: I cannot tell you how bad my self tape was,

1155
01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:52,840
Speaker 1: but it sort of made me laugh because I just

1156
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:57,080
Speaker 1: couldn't say the space dialogue. You know, You're like, this

1157
01:02:57,160 --> 01:03:00,560
Speaker 1: feels really weird, but those are weird words that feel

1158
01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:04,440
Speaker 1: weird exactly. But I'm learning. I'm learning. Yeah, I've definitely,

1159
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:07,000
Speaker 1: every so often through my career, I've I've read scripts

1160
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:08,560
Speaker 1: and been like, God, I just love this, and then

1161
01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:11,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, I can't, I can't do that. That's not

1162
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:14,280
Speaker 1: for me. That's really just for someone else. And that

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01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:17,560
Speaker 1: there are some actors that really sell that. You know,

1164
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:20,320
Speaker 1: they're playing a biologist or something and it just feels

1165
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 1: really natural coming. There's other actors who you just see

1166
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:26,760
Speaker 1: their eyes kind of quivering with fear as they say that. Yeah. Yeah.

1167
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:30,000
Speaker 1: I also, every every so often I'm like, not that

1168
01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:32,480
Speaker 1: I don't think she's beautiful, but does the supermodel have

1169
01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:35,200
Speaker 1: to play the biologist. Can we get like a Neil

1170
01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:39,280
Speaker 1: deGrasse Tyson playing a scientist? Maybe I would love to

1171
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:40,840
Speaker 1: see him in a movie. I'd love to see him

1172
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:43,360
Speaker 1: in a movie. God, I think he's so cool. Yeah,

1173
01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:46,439
Speaker 1: he really is. I've been reading a lot about sort

1174
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:51,440
Speaker 1: of quantum physics, and I mean really basic stuff that

1175
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:54,160
Speaker 1: I can get my my foot in the door and

1176
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:58,200
Speaker 1: trying to understand it. But I was just reading about

1177
01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:02,520
Speaker 1: this alternate world theory, multiple universes, that every time we

1178
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:07,440
Speaker 1: make a choice, another universe is created. Well, I don't know,

1179
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Speaker 1: I'm loving it. WHOA you should if you're into that

1180
01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:16,320
Speaker 1: world right now? Have you read any Carlo Rovelli? Oh

1181
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:18,840
Speaker 1: my god his He wrote this book called The Order

1182
01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:20,640
Speaker 1: of Time, and it broke my brain. I was like,

1183
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:23,000
Speaker 1: time is what is time? Time is not real? Time

1184
01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:26,400
Speaker 1: is an illusion? It really it sent me into a tailsman,

1185
01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:29,960
Speaker 1: but like in a very cool way. The Order of written. Yeah,

1186
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:33,160
Speaker 1: the Order of Time. And then he has another book

1187
01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:36,720
Speaker 1: called Seven Brief Lessons on Physics and another book called

1188
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:41,320
Speaker 1: Reality Is Not What It Seems The Journey to Quantum Gravity.

1189
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:44,720
Speaker 1: So we have a lot of homework to do. You

1190
01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:46,280
Speaker 1: and I we have shows to watch and movies to

1191
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:49,600
Speaker 1: watch and books to read, and it's it's really far ranging.

1192
01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:53,720
Speaker 1: It's physics, it's murder, this is yeah, but this is how.

1193
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:56,760
Speaker 1: This is how I I identify my people because I'm like,

1194
01:04:56,840 --> 01:04:58,919
Speaker 1: do you like murder shows? Do you want to talk

1195
01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:03,880
Speaker 1: about space? Where do you think humanity belongs? I'm like,

1196
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:06,160
Speaker 1: not great at small talk. I can be hard to

1197
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:08,840
Speaker 1: take to a party because I'm just like, who here

1198
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:11,360
Speaker 1: is in therapy? Anyone dealing with their internalized trauma? Are

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01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:15,960
Speaker 1: you feeling healthy? And me too? Yeah? Yeah, especially in

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01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:19,360
Speaker 1: England and England that is so alien to people. I

1201
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:21,360
Speaker 1: feel like in America there's a little bit more of

1202
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:23,600
Speaker 1: a sort of if you ask someone how they are,

1203
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:29,520
Speaker 1: you expect an honest answer. That England, they're freaked out. Wow.

1204
01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:33,440
Speaker 1: I just want to get in there and talk to

1205
01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:36,960
Speaker 1: you about their feelings. So if someone cries I've had

1206
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:41,440
Speaker 1: a wonderful night, yeah, I'm like, wow, we really connected.

1207
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:44,840
Speaker 1: That was honest. How do you think the feelings will be?

1208
01:05:45,040 --> 01:05:46,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, will there be tears? Will they'll be laughter?

1209
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:49,800
Speaker 1: When when you get back out on the road, because

1210
01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:52,880
Speaker 1: you're you're about to go back on a stand up tour.

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01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:57,680
Speaker 1: I'm supposed to go and yeah in September, but that

1212
01:05:57,720 --> 01:06:00,920
Speaker 1: feels so far away right now, and so weird planning

1213
01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:03,800
Speaker 1: things because you just never know these days. But I

1214
01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:05,600
Speaker 1: think it will be kind of you for it. Yeah,

1215
01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:08,520
Speaker 1: I can't wait. I'm starting to do shows. Things are

1216
01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:12,520
Speaker 1: opening up this month and I can't wait to see people. Yeah,

1217
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:15,080
Speaker 1: so you you could, you could have a show as

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01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:16,720
Speaker 1: early as this month. Yeah, I've got a few at

1219
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:19,960
Speaker 1: the end of May. Yeah, so so really soon. And

1220
01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:23,440
Speaker 1: I don't know what I mean. I look haunted, I'm pale.

1221
01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:26,280
Speaker 1: I've got very little to say for myself. But I

1222
01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:29,880
Speaker 1: think everyone will be pretty generous with their laughs because

1223
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:32,040
Speaker 1: they'll just be excited to be around people. Yeah. I

1224
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:34,080
Speaker 1: hope this would be a good time for anyone to

1225
01:06:34,080 --> 01:06:36,280
Speaker 1: start stand up if you've been thinking of trying, do

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Speaker 1: you think, I definitely think. I think people are going

1227
01:06:39,640 --> 01:06:43,880
Speaker 1: to be really warm. It's the audience members. Is there

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01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:47,320
Speaker 1: advice you'd give to someone who who wanted to try

1229
01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:51,480
Speaker 1: stand up or maybe wanted to try, you know, writing script? Yeah,

1230
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:54,080
Speaker 1: My stand up advice is always the same as just

1231
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:57,080
Speaker 1: that you can't get around stage time. I think you

1232
01:06:57,160 --> 01:06:59,520
Speaker 1: just have to do it. You have to hang out

1233
01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:02,080
Speaker 1: at calm clubs and get and watch a lot of

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01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:04,400
Speaker 1: comedy and get the rhythms of it in your head.

1235
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:06,800
Speaker 1: And then and then you just have to accept that

1236
01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:09,880
Speaker 1: you're going to be awful for a while and get

1237
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:13,440
Speaker 1: that time out of the way and wait until the

1238
01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:16,840
Speaker 1: gap between your taste and what you like and your

1239
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:20,280
Speaker 1: ability sort of that gap closes a bit because in

1240
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:22,560
Speaker 1: the beginning you're like, I have great taste, I love

1241
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:25,480
Speaker 1: good comedy. Why am I not good? And it's just

1242
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:28,960
Speaker 1: because no one is when they start. And then my

1243
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:33,240
Speaker 1: advice for writing scraps is well, someone the other day

1244
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:36,680
Speaker 1: was like, oh, you keep saying about writing personal stuff,

1245
01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:38,800
Speaker 1: but what if nothing's happened to me. I was like,

1246
01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:41,680
Speaker 1: so much has happened to you to everyone, because we

1247
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:43,680
Speaker 1: all have our childhood. You don't have to have some

1248
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:46,480
Speaker 1: big trauma to write. You can. It could be some

1249
01:07:46,600 --> 01:07:50,400
Speaker 1: tiny disappointment. I think when people talk about like finding

1250
01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:52,960
Speaker 1: your voice, I think that's overwhelming sometimes because it's like,

1251
01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:57,200
Speaker 1: it's more like finding just being authentic and you know,

1252
01:07:57,240 --> 01:07:59,600
Speaker 1: you could you could talk about making a sandwich. As

1253
01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:02,760
Speaker 1: long as it's real. I think people respond to it.

1254
01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:05,439
Speaker 1: I was thinking about that movie Eighth Grade that bou

1255
01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:08,959
Speaker 1: Burnham did broke my heart, but I was thinking, yeah,

1256
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:12,200
Speaker 1: he's not an eighth grade girl. But obviously it was

1257
01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:14,480
Speaker 1: so authentic and there was so much of him in it,

1258
01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:20,120
Speaker 1: and it just felt so authored and amazing. I loved it.

1259
01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:25,200
Speaker 1: Just watched it for the first time, really cried. I

1260
01:08:25,280 --> 01:08:27,120
Speaker 1: actually got to see that one in a theater and

1261
01:08:27,160 --> 01:08:32,120
Speaker 1: I was ugly crying. Yeah, it's so accurate about puberty

1262
01:08:32,160 --> 01:08:35,760
Speaker 1: and just the hell of the hell of puberty. Well,

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Speaker 1: and you're working on a on a new drama that

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01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:42,839
Speaker 1: centers on young adult life, right, Yeah, I'm really excited.

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Speaker 1: It's the first thing, first scripted thing I've written on

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01:08:45,240 --> 01:08:49,439
Speaker 1: my own. It's a sort of young adult thriller based

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Speaker 1: on a true story. A friend of mine got sent

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01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:55,760
Speaker 1: to rehab in Oregon when she was a teenager and

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01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:58,320
Speaker 1: it sort of turned out to be a cult. Okay,

1270
01:08:58,360 --> 01:09:01,519
Speaker 1: but yeah, but these are are real places. It's really

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01:09:02,040 --> 01:09:04,760
Speaker 1: you know, I just watched the Paris Hilton documentary and

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01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:08,080
Speaker 1: basically I'm really interested in the troubled teen industry and

1273
01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:11,840
Speaker 1: people exactly because it's an industry. It's an industry, and

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01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:14,160
Speaker 1: you can just have your kid kind of kidnapped and

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01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:17,840
Speaker 1: sent away, and it's really unregulated and there's all kinds

1276
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:21,680
Speaker 1: of crazy stuff that goes on. So it's taking all

1277
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:24,880
Speaker 1: the themes that I love about addiction and identity and

1278
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:28,200
Speaker 1: adolescents and things like that. And who knows if it

1279
01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:29,559
Speaker 1: will happen though, it's still up in the air, so

1280
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:32,320
Speaker 1: we'll see. But that's what I'm right, well, and you

1281
01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:36,759
Speaker 1: even thinking about looking at all those themes. Like Netflix

1282
01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:39,000
Speaker 1: has their new stand up series Comedians of the World,

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01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:42,800
Speaker 1: and dope is part of it. You're I'm in the

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01:09:42,920 --> 01:09:46,360
Speaker 1: UK section. Yeah, yeah, your most recent stand up show

1285
01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:50,040
Speaker 1: is it? Is it a crazy thing to be part

1286
01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:55,240
Speaker 1: of a global Comedians of the World, like a chosen

1287
01:09:55,360 --> 01:09:58,360
Speaker 1: group of people? Is that surreal for you or does

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01:09:58,360 --> 01:10:01,479
Speaker 1: it not really register? No? That was so cool. Yeah.

1289
01:10:01,479 --> 01:10:03,920
Speaker 1: I hope they keep doing those and doing those because

1290
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:06,519
Speaker 1: it was it was so amazing. They filmed them at

1291
01:10:06,680 --> 01:10:09,360
Speaker 1: um At just for laughs, mostly in Canada, and so

1292
01:10:09,400 --> 01:10:11,519
Speaker 1: they were just comedians from all over the world there

1293
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:15,000
Speaker 1: and yeah, I had such a good time, especially coming

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01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:17,680
Speaker 1: home to Canada to do it, having been in in

1295
01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:20,880
Speaker 1: the UK for eleven years. Yeah, it was good to

1296
01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:25,439
Speaker 1: feel like a Transatlantic person. You know, that's really cool,

1297
01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:28,799
Speaker 1: and you know, because it's fun to brag on our guests.

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01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:31,120
Speaker 1: It was also nominated for Best Comedy Show at the

1299
01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:35,920
Speaker 1: Edinburgh Comedy Awards, which is like a huge deal. Thanks,

1300
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:39,840
Speaker 1: It's so cool. I wonder if all these festivals are

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01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:42,960
Speaker 1: going to return. I hope so, I hope. So it's

1302
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:46,080
Speaker 1: such a great place for people to kind of develop

1303
01:10:46,160 --> 01:10:50,200
Speaker 1: their stuff and discover new people. Yeah, yeah, I hope. So.

1304
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:52,479
Speaker 1: It's been cool to see what Dave Chappelle has been

1305
01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:55,840
Speaker 1: doing in Ohio, kind of in the in the gap

1306
01:10:56,000 --> 01:11:01,000
Speaker 1: left for those spaces for comedians with COVID, him sort

1307
01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:03,640
Speaker 1: of creating this safe haven for people to go and

1308
01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:07,560
Speaker 1: works has been really neat. Yeah. I wonder if I

1309
01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:11,040
Speaker 1: remember there was a documentary years ago of Tig Nataro.

1310
01:11:11,479 --> 01:11:13,799
Speaker 1: It was an amazing stand up going around to people's

1311
01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:15,600
Speaker 1: houses and they would book her and it would just

1312
01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:17,240
Speaker 1: be them and their friends and she'd do a stand

1313
01:11:17,320 --> 01:11:19,840
Speaker 1: up show. And I kind of love that. Maybe that's

1314
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:23,920
Speaker 1: what will start happening and that would be so cool. Yeah,

1315
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:25,840
Speaker 1: I would love it. Would you would you book it

1316
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:29,960
Speaker 1: for your garden? Yeah? Yeah, and just have your friends over.

1317
01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:34,120
Speaker 1: We used to do um little music shows at my house.

1318
01:11:34,120 --> 01:11:36,000
Speaker 1: We'd we'd have like thirty or forty people come in,

1319
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:39,640
Speaker 1: a little band coming And it was really cool too

1320
01:11:39,640 --> 01:11:42,200
Speaker 1: because sometimes it would be bands that were, like, you know,

1321
01:11:42,280 --> 01:11:44,960
Speaker 1: getting ready to launch their sophomore album and wanted to

1322
01:11:45,080 --> 01:11:48,479
Speaker 1: just try out some things. And yeah, those were always

1323
01:11:48,520 --> 01:11:52,000
Speaker 1: kind of my favorite nights to host here. So um,

1324
01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:54,280
Speaker 1: I'm thrilled that on this podcast we can announce that

1325
01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:57,920
Speaker 1: the first ever Treehouse Show comedy special will be you

1326
01:11:58,040 --> 01:12:02,960
Speaker 1: when you come to California next Yeah, I'm there. I've

1327
01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:06,840
Speaker 1: just booked you for it. So great. Great, Yeah, I'll

1328
01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:10,040
Speaker 1: get my agent to contact you and we'll wonderful do it. Official.

1329
01:12:10,120 --> 01:12:13,840
Speaker 1: People are people, which is really just me, and it'll

1330
01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:17,080
Speaker 1: be great. Yeah, it'll be just us, um, other than

1331
01:12:17,160 --> 01:12:19,880
Speaker 1: people who will someday eventually be in what I now

1332
01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:22,240
Speaker 1: hope is a real event that we shall throw in

1333
01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:25,040
Speaker 1: my backyard. How how can all the folks listening at

1334
01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:26,880
Speaker 1: home find you? Where do you? Where do you like

1335
01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:29,960
Speaker 1: to point people to go? Well, I'm thinking about deleting Twitter,

1336
01:12:30,040 --> 01:12:33,400
Speaker 1: you know, So I don't know so weird. Twitter is weird,

1337
01:12:33,479 --> 01:12:36,080
Speaker 1: It's what Instagram is pretty cool. So I love Instagram.

1338
01:12:36,160 --> 01:12:41,200
Speaker 1: I'm at I think I'm at Hoay May on Instagram. Yeah, um,

1339
01:12:41,240 --> 01:12:43,519
Speaker 1: but Twitter, I'm not sure, but I'm on there right

1340
01:12:43,560 --> 01:12:48,040
Speaker 1: now at the May Martin. But we'll see. Yeah. It's stressful,

1341
01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:51,719
Speaker 1: isn't it. Yeah, it's a it's a weird sight. Yeah,

1342
01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:54,880
Speaker 1: and especially if you watch that documentary. Everyone was talking

1343
01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:58,960
Speaker 1: about what was it called again, the social dilemma, about

1344
01:12:59,080 --> 01:13:04,840
Speaker 1: just the polarizing political forces, and yeah, well, and and

1345
01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:09,400
Speaker 1: the unfortunate thing that because these big platforms haven't been regulated,

1346
01:13:10,240 --> 01:13:13,920
Speaker 1: they are allowed to capitalize on causing division. They're like, oh,

1347
01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:15,720
Speaker 1: if you can make people angry, they spend more time

1348
01:13:15,720 --> 01:13:18,080
Speaker 1: on the website. So like, let's just make people even angrier.

1349
01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:23,040
Speaker 1: Let's let's surface misinformation because it'll set people on fire

1350
01:13:23,200 --> 01:13:25,640
Speaker 1: and then you know, we can trust them to go

1351
01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:28,240
Speaker 1: and find the real stuff. It's like, no, maybe you

1352
01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:33,559
Speaker 1: just shouldn't allow lies on on your sites because like

1353
01:13:33,720 --> 01:13:36,400
Speaker 1: you couldn't publish that in the New York Times or

1354
01:13:36,479 --> 01:13:39,920
Speaker 1: you know, the Dallas Chronicle, Like you don't. It doesn't

1355
01:13:39,920 --> 01:13:44,160
Speaker 1: work that way. So I know that's a whole other podcast. Really,

1356
01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:47,760
Speaker 1: we're like that that's gonna that's going to take a

1357
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:51,799
Speaker 1: turn um, I will I will ask you a happy question,

1358
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:54,280
Speaker 1: which is honestly my favorite thing to ask everybody who

1359
01:13:54,280 --> 01:13:57,360
Speaker 1: comes on the show, which is obviously, you know, titled

1360
01:13:57,439 --> 01:14:01,559
Speaker 1: work in progress. What feels like work in progress in

1361
01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:05,519
Speaker 1: your life right now? I guess work life balance? Wait?

1362
01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:08,000
Speaker 1: Is that a happy answer? No, it doesn't have to

1363
01:14:08,040 --> 01:14:10,240
Speaker 1: be a happy esswer. It could be anything, but I

1364
01:14:10,320 --> 01:14:12,120
Speaker 1: just mean, you know, it's a it's a it's a more.

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01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:16,720
Speaker 1: It's a happier space to examine than the pitfalls of

1366
01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:20,719
Speaker 1: cruel technology. Yeah, yeah, that's true. I yeah, I guess

1367
01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:24,519
Speaker 1: finding a balance. I've been working NonStop for for five

1368
01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:26,960
Speaker 1: years on on feel goods and it's just ended. We

1369
01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:30,000
Speaker 1: finished the edit, and so I'm now in this. I

1370
01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:33,200
Speaker 1: have this time, so I'm trying to enjoy that and

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01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:36,120
Speaker 1: sit in the park, and then I'm trying to cook.

1372
01:14:36,320 --> 01:14:39,720
Speaker 1: I'm trying to, you know, learn some stuff. I did

1373
01:14:39,720 --> 01:14:43,800
Speaker 1: a shepherd's pie, Lentil shepherd's pie, very nice. Thanks. Yeah,

1374
01:14:44,200 --> 01:14:47,559
Speaker 1: it was almost inedible, but it was it was something

1375
01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:51,120
Speaker 1: you can really only go up from here. Yeah, exactly

1376
01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:53,799
Speaker 1: what about you? Or do you do you not say?

1377
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:56,960
Speaker 1: Oh no, my god, so many things I will say.

1378
01:14:57,360 --> 01:15:01,759
Speaker 1: I love to cook and want to be better at it. Um,

1379
01:15:02,160 --> 01:15:04,320
Speaker 1: there's some things I do well, and then then I

1380
01:15:04,360 --> 01:15:06,360
Speaker 1: have these other friends who can just come into kitchen

1381
01:15:06,400 --> 01:15:08,640
Speaker 1: and look in the fridge and come up with a

1382
01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:10,960
Speaker 1: whole meal, and I want to be a little more

1383
01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:15,479
Speaker 1: skilled on that level. Um. One of the things that

1384
01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:18,599
Speaker 1: I really got into over quarantine. You know, the New

1385
01:15:18,680 --> 01:15:21,880
Speaker 1: York Times has you know, The New York Times Cooking.

1386
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:24,960
Speaker 1: They have an app, and the app is amazing. It's

1387
01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:27,879
Speaker 1: just all recipes and they'll give you the gross realist

1388
01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:32,400
Speaker 1: for everything, which is really kind of fun. The balanced

1389
01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:35,519
Speaker 1: stuff is hard for me too. I recently, I was

1390
01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:38,679
Speaker 1: just saying, you know, I feel really overwhelmed a lot.

1391
01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:41,719
Speaker 1: I'm scheduled, like down to within the five minute window

1392
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:44,960
Speaker 1: every day with like a thing in a zoom and

1393
01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:48,080
Speaker 1: a call and a podcast and a script thing. And

1394
01:15:48,120 --> 01:15:51,160
Speaker 1: then you know, I'm I'm on like an organizer zoom

1395
01:15:51,200 --> 01:15:53,280
Speaker 1: for a political action network, and then I'm onto this,

1396
01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:54,960
Speaker 1: and then I'm onto that, and I need to take

1397
01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:56,559
Speaker 1: care of the chickens and the dog and like do

1398
01:15:56,600 --> 01:15:58,479
Speaker 1: all the things at the house, and you know what,

1399
01:15:58,560 --> 01:16:00,000
Speaker 1: I'm I supposed to see my friends and I haven't

1400
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:01,759
Speaker 1: call my mom back in a week and things are crazy,

1401
01:16:01,800 --> 01:16:04,840
Speaker 1: and um my therapist was like, well, why do you

1402
01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:07,160
Speaker 1: schedule yourself like that? And I'm like, well, because you know,

1403
01:16:07,240 --> 01:16:09,160
Speaker 1: I want to do everything and I feel so grateful

1404
01:16:09,200 --> 01:16:11,599
Speaker 1: that these are the things I'm allowed to do, and um,

1405
01:16:11,880 --> 01:16:13,679
Speaker 1: I want that, but also I wish I had any

1406
01:16:13,680 --> 01:16:16,760
Speaker 1: time for spot spontaneity and like sitting outside and reading

1407
01:16:16,760 --> 01:16:19,160
Speaker 1: a book. And she was like, so schedule it. And

1408
01:16:19,200 --> 01:16:20,439
Speaker 1: I was like, but I don't have time, and she

1409
01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:22,639
Speaker 1: was like, okay, so what we need to do now

1410
01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:25,240
Speaker 1: is in the same way that let's if you were

1411
01:16:25,320 --> 01:16:28,960
Speaker 1: an alcoholic and you had to on on a day say,

1412
01:16:29,200 --> 01:16:31,479
Speaker 1: you know, admit to yourself, okay, I'm an addict. She

1413
01:16:31,560 --> 01:16:33,360
Speaker 1: was like, you have to admit to yourself that you

1414
01:16:33,360 --> 01:16:36,439
Speaker 1: are a liar about time. That is your addiction. And

1415
01:16:36,479 --> 01:16:40,640
Speaker 1: I was like, whoa, it's just such a knife to

1416
01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:43,400
Speaker 1: the system and this is what I pay you for.

1417
01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:47,880
Speaker 1: This takes me feel bad, but actually it really helped

1418
01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:50,840
Speaker 1: me because she was like, no, you you lie about time.

1419
01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:54,760
Speaker 1: You think that you can fit all of these things

1420
01:16:54,760 --> 01:16:57,600
Speaker 1: into your day, and you think that will leave you

1421
01:16:57,680 --> 01:17:02,000
Speaker 1: with any time to be surprised or spontaneous or take

1422
01:17:02,040 --> 01:17:05,200
Speaker 1: a phone call that unexpectedly comes in, and that's a lie.

1423
01:17:05,560 --> 01:17:07,880
Speaker 1: You can't do it all. So are you going to

1424
01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:11,479
Speaker 1: start scheduling spontaneity almost like going, this is a couple

1425
01:17:11,479 --> 01:17:14,880
Speaker 1: of hours in my week where you know, anything, whatever

1426
01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:17,800
Speaker 1: comes along, I'll just do. Yeah, that's actually what we're

1427
01:17:17,800 --> 01:17:22,760
Speaker 1: working on. So I'm I'm working on actually reclaiming um

1428
01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:27,000
Speaker 1: some time every morning to just be a little slower,

1429
01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:30,719
Speaker 1: and and actually scheduling in some like free reading time

1430
01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:32,640
Speaker 1: like a kid to go see the library in their

1431
01:17:32,720 --> 01:17:36,160
Speaker 1: free period, which is my favorite thing to do in school. Um.

1432
01:17:36,240 --> 01:17:39,479
Speaker 1: And then I'm actually working on I'm working on a

1433
01:17:39,560 --> 01:17:42,439
Speaker 1: system for time, which makes me feel so crazy and weird.

1434
01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:45,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, aren't I an adult? Aren't I what is happening?

1435
01:17:45,640 --> 01:17:48,439
Speaker 1: But I never did this before. Even then we just

1436
01:17:48,479 --> 01:17:51,840
Speaker 1: found out that time as a construct. Thank you. This

1437
01:17:51,960 --> 01:17:54,720
Speaker 1: is all Carlo Rovelli's fault is really the point. But

1438
01:17:54,800 --> 01:18:00,679
Speaker 1: I yeah, I'm working on blocking some unstructured time. Yeah.

1439
01:18:00,760 --> 01:18:04,240
Speaker 1: I think that's really smart to space for stuff. Yeah,

1440
01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:06,320
Speaker 1: I think you have to do that. I can relate

1441
01:18:06,360 --> 01:18:11,200
Speaker 1: to all of that except for the chickens. You have chickens. Yeah,

1442
01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:16,200
Speaker 1: that's really sweet. I just learned that chickens, their language

1443
01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:19,799
Speaker 1: amongst themselves is a lot more sophisticated than we thought.

1444
01:18:19,960 --> 01:18:21,920
Speaker 1: And they've just done a study and they think chickens

1445
01:18:22,120 --> 01:18:25,400
Speaker 1: name their humans. They give them specific names that they

1446
01:18:25,439 --> 01:18:28,600
Speaker 1: then use amongst themselves. They'll be like, they'll have a

1447
01:18:28,680 --> 01:18:31,920
Speaker 1: name for you. Wait, where did you read this? I

1448
01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:34,799
Speaker 1: say read It was a podcast and it was about

1449
01:18:35,200 --> 01:18:37,760
Speaker 1: It was Jonathan Vanessa's podcast, I think, and it was

1450
01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:44,240
Speaker 1: about animal intelligence and animal language. There's mind blowing stuff.

1451
01:18:45,800 --> 01:18:49,560
Speaker 1: So did you did you watch the David Attenborough documentary

1452
01:18:49,560 --> 01:18:55,320
Speaker 1: that just came out no recent and and basically what

1453
01:18:55,400 --> 01:18:59,639
Speaker 1: they learned this year because the world went quiet because

1454
01:18:59,640 --> 01:19:04,760
Speaker 1: of the pandemic, is we've learned so much more about

1455
01:19:04,840 --> 01:19:08,639
Speaker 1: animals this year than in the last fifty or sixty

1456
01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:14,160
Speaker 1: years combined. We found out that whales. Whales got much noisier,

1457
01:19:14,720 --> 01:19:16,519
Speaker 1: and they were like, oh, whales haven't been able to

1458
01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:22,000
Speaker 1: hear each other over the motors of boats and cruise ships.

1459
01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:25,960
Speaker 1: So now they're having these like really deep, long conversations

1460
01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:28,080
Speaker 1: with each other, whereas before, imagine being at a really

1461
01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:31,439
Speaker 1: loud bar, you can't do what we're doing. So you

1462
01:19:31,439 --> 01:19:33,320
Speaker 1: you chat and you hang out. But it's not like

1463
01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:39,720
Speaker 1: deep and emotional commicating differently. All of these animals are

1464
01:19:39,720 --> 01:19:43,080
Speaker 1: communicating differently and living differently. And essentially what they were

1465
01:19:43,080 --> 01:19:49,000
Speaker 1: saying is that they can hear each other. That's such

1466
01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:55,479
Speaker 1: a good to remember. And so they were I guess, um,

1467
01:19:55,520 --> 01:19:58,960
Speaker 1: someone sort of positive after this that we should create

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01:19:59,080 --> 01:20:05,400
Speaker 1: schedules for um, you know, motored vehicles in the water.

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Speaker 1: We have to begin creating blocks of time where it's

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Speaker 1: silent for the animals. And I just god, I would

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Speaker 1: love that so much. I would love that. There has

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Speaker 1: to be a way to do that. We have to

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Speaker 1: do better. I mean, they deserve it. They deserve that.

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Speaker 1: Assholes were like, all of this is rash. No, they're angels.

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Speaker 1: They are I feel that. Well, you're an angel. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for coming, so are you. Thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for having me. Um, it was so nice to see you. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you do. Hopefully we'll hang out in person. I would

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Speaker 1: like that, And yeah, I'm always here for chicken content

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Speaker 1: and strange you know, aquatic dinosaurs anytime. Yes, I will

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Speaker 1: send you the any any trivia that comes my way.

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Speaker 1: I would love it.