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Speaker 1: Nate Newton, Kurt Daniels, Jesse Holly, and Shannon Gross. Hello
Speaker 1: and welcome to the show. It is Tuesday, Live in Frisco,
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Speaker 1: Kurt Daniels, Jesse Holly, Nate Newton, Shannon Gross. We have
Speaker 1: one more day till we look forward to this next game.
Speaker 1: So many things we weren't able to get to yesterday,
Speaker 1: so many things to talk about. How you first off,
Speaker 1: how you guys doing today? How y'all feeling? Oh? Great, man,
Speaker 1: great game? You know, I was so glad Rams dominated
Speaker 1: the Bears so we can say, okay, at least we
Speaker 1: held them up down to twenty points. Looking for the
Speaker 1: civil lining Kurt, Yeah, you're stretching, man, I like it.
Speaker 1: How you feeling, Kurt, got your Navy, got your baby
Speaker 1: Polo on today? I see back in, back in and
Speaker 1: step Jesse's got the uh North Carolina blue repping. Let's go, Nate, Nate,
Speaker 1: you got your nice blue shirt on. We all got
Speaker 1: shades of blue on. I guess we got the blues
Speaker 1: this week. No, no, no, no, no, mine is a
Speaker 1: light of blue. Jesse. No, don't say that about me. Dog,
Speaker 1: I'm Carolina Blue. Hey, I'm good, I'm sky blue. Baby,
Speaker 1: I'm good. See I told you yesterday, shouted, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: already there. Where you trying to get to. I'm already there.
Speaker 1: Broun Oh, So you say you already in Mexico. Ain't
Speaker 1: good for a fat man? In fact, the Bahamas or
Speaker 1: somewhere like that. I maybe going through with the man. Yeah, Kurt,
Speaker 1: so many things we didn't get to yesterday, so many
Speaker 1: things that are going on, so many comments, so many rumors,
Speaker 1: just so much stuff. Where do you want to start? Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I wanted to maybe get some of
Speaker 1: your guy's thoughts that I guess. One of the hot
Speaker 1: talk picks this morning was Jerry's interview on the Fan. Okay,
Speaker 1: lit all little testy, I don't know. I didn't hear it.
Speaker 1: I heard some of the highlights later. But you were
Speaker 1: listening live, aren't you. I was, Yeah, what happened to
Speaker 1: me to do this? I will not allow y'all to
Speaker 1: do this to me today. Okay, Jerry is already testy. Okay,
Speaker 1: you guys know I can sometimes say things that will
Speaker 1: get my ten dollars revolt, and he's probably listening. So
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna let you guys send me down this road.
Speaker 1: But but in meetings all morning, I just need the
Speaker 1: cliff notes. But you don't have to give any commentary.
Speaker 1: Just tell us what happens, right, you know, it was
Speaker 1: just basically asking Jerry, you know about is this team
Speaker 1: void of any leadership? Uh? And that means from any front?
Speaker 1: And and as Jerry was trying to explain it, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be honest with you. Jerry was doing what Jerry does,
Speaker 1: and he was talking in circles. He was saying a
Speaker 1: bunch of words and not saying anything at all. And
Speaker 1: in the process of this where you know, we knew
Speaker 1: that he knew that what he was saying made absolutely
Speaker 1: no sense, and he was just trying to put a
Speaker 1: bunch of words together to say that. I kind of
Speaker 1: gave you an answer and in between their Sean kind
Speaker 1: of cut him off a little bit to kind of interject,
Speaker 1: and you know, Jerry got a little testy and tell them,
Speaker 1: you know, hey, how about you just shut up and
Speaker 1: let me answer the question. And you know it went
Speaker 1: from there. But I think here, here's where at right
Speaker 1: now we're in a place with this football team, and
Speaker 1: I mean from top to bottom this boat. When you
Speaker 1: come into a football season, okay, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: let met when you come into a football season, right you,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna use a ship's s h I P
Speaker 1: s y careful that I'm gonna use. I'm gonna use
Speaker 1: a Jerry side yacht to give this illustration when you
Speaker 1: come into a football season, right, everybody has to board
Speaker 1: and be paddling this yacht in the same direction. The
Speaker 1: same direction means through September December headed to whatever the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl destination is in that year. This year happens
Speaker 1: to be Tampa. Now, during this voyage on this yacht,
Speaker 1: on this boat, there are times where your boat and
Speaker 1: not times. There are always going to be moments in
Speaker 1: this journey where there's holes in your boat and water
Speaker 1: begins to come into your boat. Now, the good teams,
Speaker 1: those who have great leadership, great ownership, great coach raying,
Speaker 1: great players. They are able to get the water out
Speaker 1: of the boat, patch up the holes, and keep their
Speaker 1: journey moving to their destination. The bad teams, when the
Speaker 1: water begins to come in, they panic. They don't have
Speaker 1: good leadership, whether it's in front office coaching or good
Speaker 1: leadership players, whatever. And now the water begins to come in,
Speaker 1: and then there's another hole, and then before you know it,
Speaker 1: there is a multitude of holes in this boat. And
Speaker 1: nobody's able to get the water out fast enough before
Speaker 1: this boat gets to sink. And you find yourself in
Speaker 1: the middle of nowhere, sinking fast, and no one has answers.
Speaker 1: And I think this is where the cowboys are at today.
Speaker 1: Their boat is sinking. So the water has come in.
Speaker 1: There's so many holes on this boat, on this Jerry
Speaker 1: size yacht, there's so many holes. And as Mike McCarthy
Speaker 1: or you can say slash Jerry, slash Mike, slash team,
Speaker 1: whoever you want to call it, that front office slash
Speaker 1: head coaching. Right, the the the the thing that they
Speaker 1: say that the captain must go down with the ship. Yes, right,
Speaker 1: So while people are now trying to jump ship. Well
Speaker 1: it wasn't me, it was them. Well it wasn't us,
Speaker 1: it was them. Well they can't follow directions, Well they
Speaker 1: can't coach. See now everybody's looking for the life raft.
Speaker 1: Everybody looking for that little boat, the little life raft,
Speaker 1: to save themselves self preservation. As this boat is beginning
Speaker 1: to sinking. Nobody now is is shedding water from this boat.
Speaker 1: No one is now patching up these holes. Everyone now
Speaker 1: is an extreme self preservation. And now you have a
Speaker 1: head coach who's entered into this situation and not knowing
Speaker 1: the magnitude of this yacht that he was on, and
Speaker 1: he's looking around and he's trying to stay tight, but
Speaker 1: everything around him is so chaotic. The boat is goot it,
Speaker 1: and everyone's frustrated. This boat is sinking fast, and the
Speaker 1: frustration is no one has an answer. That is the
Speaker 1: frustrating part. No one has an answer. You can't find players,
Speaker 1: you can't find coaches, you can't find trades. Ain't nobody coming.
Speaker 1: That's gonna be healthy because the people that you need
Speaker 1: they done. The tackle's done, the quarterbacks done, the people
Speaker 1: are done. The good guys, the good free agents are gone.
Speaker 1: Players are settled into their teams, and no one has answered,
Speaker 1: and this boat is sinking so fast. Everyone is going
Speaker 1: into self preservation. And the owner of the boat, right
Speaker 1: whose names on the side of the boat. When everyone's
Speaker 1: asking questions, they're saying, well, what happened to the boat?
Speaker 1: Because you were the maker of this boat, you wore
Speaker 1: the you were the proprietor of this boat. Can you
Speaker 1: explain to us why this boat which was so on
Speaker 1: paper like the Titanic, so well being, so well be
Speaker 1: It's the it's the next coming to the greatest anti
Speaker 1: anti sink, Yes, sinking question now from the hood, you
Speaker 1: from the hood anti sink, not anti sank. She questioning
Speaker 1: when you start questioning the maker of the ship, say
Speaker 1: it has no answers. Yes, certain frustration sits in you
Speaker 1: got it, thank frustrations on it, Oh, frustration his own
Speaker 1: because he has he has no answer. Well, when you
Speaker 1: have no answer in this situation and everybody's watching you,
Speaker 1: and you have to hear the same thing, and every
Speaker 1: week you're hearing the same like every we can, we can,
Speaker 1: we cannot, we can turn whatever the game is. We
Speaker 1: don't have to know the opponent. We can just press play,
Speaker 1: and I bet you the presser sounds the same from
Speaker 1: week one to week seven or eight, whatever, and just
Speaker 1: keep pressing play and it sounds the same. We gotta execute,
Speaker 1: We gotta no no no no no no, no no no.
Speaker 1: If the questions are still coming the same each week
Speaker 1: and the answer are the same, the still seek weeks
Speaker 1: and we're still getting the same results each week, that
Speaker 1: means we don't have answers. He does not have answers.
Speaker 1: And when you don't have answers, you result to frustration.
Speaker 1: And you know, and a part of frustration for Jerry
Speaker 1: and others is embarrassment. Is embarrassment because you're supposed to
Speaker 1: be this unsinkable ship. You're supposed to be this mighty yacht.
Speaker 1: You're supposed to be this grandio soul of an establishment,
Speaker 1: but you look like the little paddle boat who just
Speaker 1: couldn't get it right. And when that happens, frustration and
Speaker 1: embarrassment comes in. And that's when God's begin to last out. Nate,
Speaker 1: Nate's gotta answer, Nate's gotta fixed to all this? What
Speaker 1: is it? Nate, ain'tybod time to go to break? Hold on,
Speaker 1: Hold on? If you got an answer answer, so we
Speaker 1: can monetize it, because if you got the answers, we
Speaker 1: need to monetize those thing so that we can get
Speaker 1: paid and we can. I got me and Kurt came
Speaker 1: with the same answers yesterday. I think you gotta let
Speaker 1: everybody jump off the ship. M I'm serious. If you,
Speaker 1: if you let everybody jump off the ship, the ship
Speaker 1: gonna rise up. Get all the start, get all the luggage,
Speaker 1: y'all get it. It's gonna rise up. And then you
Speaker 1: go and get them electric pumps that nobody thought you
Speaker 1: had and pump that thing out and you ease on
Speaker 1: into the harbor. Now you're gonna be blowing black smoke,
Speaker 1: but you ease onto the harbor, and you get rid
Speaker 1: of all that access luggage, all that deadweight, and and
Speaker 1: you start a fresh You patch the ship up, you
Speaker 1: get a new haul, and you do what you gotta do,
Speaker 1: and then it's all right to be embarrassed. That's that's
Speaker 1: your big yacht. Got got got lambased that you went
Speaker 1: into the Fia waters and you got blasted. It's okay,
Speaker 1: but now you're back on safe grime. And Kurt and
Speaker 1: myself yesterday had the right asses purge perch Per sounds
Speaker 1: like sounds like, uh, you know, they said one. And
Speaker 1: I think another thing Jerry said in his interview today
Speaker 1: was was let me find that quote. Um, but see
Speaker 1: now myself Everson Griffin. Yeah, he said, we got to
Speaker 1: correct it. We'll change some personnel for sure. We just
Speaker 1: have to step in here and make adjustments. So and
Speaker 1: then then there's yes, like Nate said, there's rumors now
Speaker 1: that Everson griffins up for on the trading block and
Speaker 1: probably many others. So maybe maybe they're starting to see that.
Speaker 1: There was one other writer today that said, because of
Speaker 1: the injuries, all that remains is an overwhelming group of
Speaker 1: guy guys who are either too young to know better
Speaker 1: or too old to care enough. And I thought that
Speaker 1: was kind of interesting and that he may be right.
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of these young guys are looking
Speaker 1: to the two older guys for leadership, and maybe these
Speaker 1: older guys are just like, yeah, you know, I'll get that.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you, man, Jimmy, let the old young
Speaker 1: guys take over. You have to let It's all right.
Speaker 1: I ran to the wrong guy, but I ran to
Speaker 1: him wide open, coach. It's all right. I'm telling you
Speaker 1: this year, it's all right as long as you start
Speaker 1: to move towards the future. And I understand that we
Speaker 1: got ten games left for how many games left? And
Speaker 1: I understand that we're gonna win the division with six
Speaker 1: or seven wins. That's fine, but do it with young guys.
Speaker 1: Don't even fool yourself with these older guys coming into
Speaker 1: next year when you go and have team meetings, which
Speaker 1: it ain't gonna be no more clearing for no virus.
Speaker 1: So when you have team meetings this year, workouts this year,
Speaker 1: you want to say, Gyle, the Cowboys are young. The
Speaker 1: average astro and m is twenty seven. That's what you
Speaker 1: want to say. The oldest guy you want on your
Speaker 1: team is gonna be dat and if you're older than that,
Speaker 1: you gotta go. I'm just being honest, man, I'm telling
Speaker 1: you I heard on the flagship station when I can
Speaker 1: padre say, mister Jones, don't want to do a rebuild.
Speaker 1: I'd rather do a rebuild and see promise than to
Speaker 1: be eight and eight every year and go down in flames.
Speaker 1: Just that was a great analogy that you gave. But
Speaker 1: I'm saying, throw over all baggage. Lighting this ship, get
Speaker 1: rid of always let it rise up a couple of
Speaker 1: hundred feet, ease into the harbor. Call the tug boats,
Speaker 1: let a meesia into the harbor. You know, get and
Speaker 1: and pass you this thaying up called the best welds
Speaker 1: you got, and fix this big thing, and let's go
Speaker 1: back out with some fresh with some with a fresh admiral.
Speaker 1: And I'm not talking about coaches. I'm talking about players.
Speaker 1: So what you're saying, Nate, is kind of almost what
Speaker 1: you and Kurt are saying is commos almost in conjunction.
Speaker 1: But what I kind of said yesterday speaking to somebody
Speaker 1: who is who is very well respected, who's been in
Speaker 1: this league and in that this is a rebuild and
Speaker 1: it's going and a thing about a rebuild this you
Speaker 1: you would like for it to be on the the
Speaker 1: quicker side, yes, sir, Yes, sir, But a rebuild nonetheless,
Speaker 1: we'll take you two three years before you can cycle
Speaker 1: enough players, whether that be young drafted guys or free
Speaker 1: agents or combination of both, to get them all in
Speaker 1: sync and all jelly. So my question now to you
Speaker 1: is if if we come to that point, if we're
Speaker 1: bringing the ship into the harder harbor. We're calling all
Speaker 1: our welders, we're calling all the people to patch this
Speaker 1: thing up, and we're getting a new crew. What is
Speaker 1: the timeline that you are willing to comfortably give Mike McCarthy,
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott and others to turn this thing around? Because
Speaker 1: this year's this year and a half ahead. We're let's
Speaker 1: pay some bills before you. We're gonna give you about
Speaker 1: two and a half minutes to think about it, because
Speaker 1: once you take did you out of the bottle, Nate,
Speaker 1: you can't put him back? Yes, sir, Yes, sir. We
Speaker 1: want you to be sure, so we're gonna give you
Speaker 1: time to think about it. We go to break it
Speaker 1: will be right in the bottom me Kurts. Nate's gonna
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Speaker 1: need to get nit a coffee. Coffee read Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: Sometimes I drink it straight. When I'm on the road
Speaker 1: one or two in the morning, I drank it black
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Speaker 1: All rights, restate your question, and then we will step
Speaker 1: aside and let Nate fix this thing. And Kurt and Date. Okay,
Speaker 1: so yesterday we talked about I said, I talked to
Speaker 1: someone who was very knowledgeable and close to uh this
Speaker 1: team and said this team is about three or four
Speaker 1: maybe three or four years from a rebuild. And then
Speaker 1: today Kurt and Nate, you guys are both saying the
Speaker 1: best way to fix this ship ship, it's to just
Speaker 1: start overhauling. Let me get rid of the baggage, let
Speaker 1: guys go and basically put this thing to rebuild. So
Speaker 1: my question to YouTube and Chris and Shannon and to
Speaker 1: the many thousands and thousands of people listening. What is
Speaker 1: a reasonable because we are we're listening. Let's make no mistakes,
Speaker 1: and I think we all unanimously agree on this. This
Speaker 1: team is in a rebuild. It's time, it's in a rebuild.
Speaker 1: What is a comfortable timeline for Mike McCarthy, Dak Prescott
Speaker 1: and those that they keep. What is a comfortable timeline
Speaker 1: to get this thing turned around? I remember the fan
Speaker 1: base that you're dealing with as a as a as
Speaker 1: a fan, not as a player or a coach or
Speaker 1: an owner, but as a fan. What is your what
Speaker 1: do you what do you say? Okay, after X number
Speaker 1: of time, I need a championship or whatever. Okay, allow
Speaker 1: me to walk you through this, and at any time, Kirch,
Speaker 1: you can interject. Since me and you partners in arms
Speaker 1: on this, let me say this right here. It starts
Speaker 1: this year, this game with the Eagles. You don't even
Speaker 1: worry about this year. Hard to do as a fan,
Speaker 1: but you don't worry about it. Whatever happens happen. If
Speaker 1: you get in the playoffs, get knocked and beat down
Speaker 1: in the first round, that's cool. You still get a
Speaker 1: decent pick. If you're blow it. The rest of the
Speaker 1: way and then win before more games you get even
Speaker 1: greater pick. I'm not worried about that, even though I
Speaker 1: would like to win, I'm not worried about that. But
Speaker 1: next year, that's the clock starts. You don't touch your
Speaker 1: offense unless you truly, truly, truly, truly have to get
Speaker 1: draft picks. You don't touch your offense. You let that stay.
Speaker 1: You're even your fifteen million dollars running back. Who's who's
Speaker 1: just the numbers say you. Every year he's been in
Speaker 1: the league, his number had to decline, and this year
Speaker 1: he's at an all time low. Jesse, I knew you're
Speaker 1: just waiting to say, now, listen to me, now, let
Speaker 1: me talk. I knew you were waiting to say that.
Speaker 1: Tell me you heard tell me to shut up, tell
Speaker 1: me to shut up. Tell me this is you heard
Speaker 1: me preference this Kurt and Shanna. I said, do not
Speaker 1: touch that offense unless you truly, truly can get you
Speaker 1: some draft picks. Don't touch it. And if somebody willing
Speaker 1: to get up a first, are they willing to get
Speaker 1: up give up a high sucker? Okay, then you look
Speaker 1: at maybe touching your your your your offense. That's the
Speaker 1: only saving grace we have. That's the only thing that
Speaker 1: that that Dak and the rest of these guys could
Speaker 1: do it. Defensively, it's where you need to fix. And
Speaker 1: that's why I say you get you don't worry about
Speaker 1: this year, play it out. But next year, in six
Speaker 1: to eight games into the following year, that's when you
Speaker 1: should see a tremendous difference and an upswing and an uptick.
Speaker 1: It don't if you feel your quarterback after this injury.
Speaker 1: If you feel your quarterback is your man, now that's
Speaker 1: a decision the upper management got to make. Is your man.
Speaker 1: You will see that uptick. But you cannot by no
Speaker 1: means bring in another guy that's older than twenty nine
Speaker 1: years old to this defense. You cannot draft ever again
Speaker 1: guys with injuries and red flags all over themselves on defense.
Speaker 1: You have to go out and get quality guys at
Speaker 1: any position that's open. And then if you're a draft
Speaker 1: board open ups next year and they say another CD
Speaker 1: lamb fall to you, you have to be strong enough
Speaker 1: and say, you know what, not this year we have
Speaker 1: nothing on defense. That is what's killing us now. Besides Zeke,
Speaker 1: and I'm getting to Zeke. Zeke has hurt us tremendously
Speaker 1: with the turnovers. A lot of backs usually don't recover.
Speaker 1: Is he unique enough to recover? Where we'll find out
Speaker 1: the rest of this year. But only you're only fixing
Speaker 1: one thing, and that's your defense. So I'm talking about
Speaker 1: a year and a half, and I'm talking about from
Speaker 1: starting next year to six games the following year are
Speaker 1: eight games. It's a year and a half fixed. Man.
Speaker 1: It's too many teams that have been fully ready on
Speaker 1: one side of the football and they put their assets
Speaker 1: into the other side. Two years ago, Pittsburgh was sitting
Speaker 1: in the same place where their offense was explosive and
Speaker 1: making things happen, and they needed to fix on defense
Speaker 1: and through their draft and through going out and getting
Speaker 1: these well. I know safety is a bad word. It's
Speaker 1: a plague type word getting them as safety. Check the records.
Speaker 1: I'm seeing. This is not a hard fix. Agree a disagree, Kurt, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that it's possible to put it if they
Speaker 1: start now. I think it's possible to put a good
Speaker 1: team on the field next year if you've got a
Speaker 1: full off season of McCarthy's program, if you've got obviously
Speaker 1: the injuries you need guys to come back healthy. I
Speaker 1: think they can turn it around relatively quickly. I mean,
Speaker 1: the NFL has shown teams can go from you know,
Speaker 1: out of the playoffs to contending the next year. Where
Speaker 1: I kind of disagree some with Nate, is I to me,
Speaker 1: if I can get high draft picks, if I can
Speaker 1: get young players. You know, I'm open for anybody. And
Speaker 1: you've got an offer to make me on an offensive player,
Speaker 1: I'm listening. I mean, if I can get rid of
Speaker 1: Zeke's contract, bringing a younger, you know, I think it's
Speaker 1: well documented that, you know, running backs can be pretty
Speaker 1: easy to replaced, and a young guy, I mean, the
Speaker 1: kid that Gibson ran all over us against Washington's a
Speaker 1: rookie this year. So I mean, if I can give
Speaker 1: it to his contract, I'm d ernest d Ernest Johnson.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. Since in Cleveland and you think about it,
Speaker 1: I mean, we have we have yeah, I mean, we
Speaker 1: have three Pro Bowl caliber receivers, and that's a luxury
Speaker 1: that you would hate to give up. But how many
Speaker 1: teams in this league are having success? Yeah exactly. So
Speaker 1: I mean, you know what I hate to lose. A Gallup,
Speaker 1: Michael Gallup of course, I mean, he's an outstanding player.
Speaker 1: But if that brings me picks, if that brings me
Speaker 1: young guys that can help me out on defense. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of good teams out there that only
Speaker 1: have one good receiver, one all star receiver, have maybe
Speaker 1: two all star receivers. Cowboys have three. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: that's pretty nice to have. But when you're so weak
Speaker 1: in so many other areas, you got to give some
Speaker 1: stuff up if you want to, if you truly want
Speaker 1: to rebuild and make this overall team better. Remember, this
Speaker 1: is the problem we were supposed to have solved, Jesse,
Speaker 1: the Beard, Chris and Kurt. The problem we were supposed
Speaker 1: to have solved. Just thinking was we were supposed to
Speaker 1: have better coaching and a better defensive scheme, am I correct,
Speaker 1: and special teams. We were supposed to have those problems solved.
Speaker 1: Are close to being solved this late into the season.
Speaker 1: Those problems still remain. Now, is it? You know? And Jesse,
Speaker 1: I'm axing you this and I'm gonna be quiet. Is
Speaker 1: it the coaches or is it the players? Maybe maybe
Speaker 1: I'm going down the wrong road. Maybe the players are
Speaker 1: all right now and we know we are talking about
Speaker 1: defensive line example, we know they're not right. I'm talking
Speaker 1: about the rest of the guys. No, it's it's both.
Speaker 1: It's both, it's it's I do think when it comes
Speaker 1: there's two parts that I always say when it comes
Speaker 1: to coaching. One and I said to see the other day.
Speaker 1: I said it jokingly, but I mean this, like Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy hooked this boy up, and it's you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. He hooked the homie up, and the homie
Speaker 1: is costing them. The homie is not good. Like you
Speaker 1: gave your homie the job. There's a reason why Mike
Speaker 1: Nolan wasn't a defensive coordinator in this league for the
Speaker 1: last four seasons. And the last time he was a
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator, his team finished just about where our defense
Speaker 1: is finishing. That's that's not by happenstance, damn it. That's
Speaker 1: by what you put out on the field, right. And
Speaker 1: so he hooked his homie up, and we can say, yo, listen,
Speaker 1: you hooked your homie up. We get it right, the
Speaker 1: homie and all of us understand you hooked your homie up.
Speaker 1: Most of us got our job because our homie hooked
Speaker 1: us up. You hooked us up and your homie costs you.
Speaker 1: Now you gotta fire your homie. Right. The second thing is,
Speaker 1: and Nate, I think you and I will agree on
Speaker 1: this one, is if you brought a man in here
Speaker 1: to do something that he is supposed to be specialized at,
Speaker 1: let him do it. If you brought Mike McCarthy in
Speaker 1: here to be a specialized play caller, let him do it.
Speaker 1: Those are two things right there. When I come to
Speaker 1: when when it comes to coaching, where I would say
Speaker 1: this is a coaching problem, but there's also a player problem.
Speaker 1: They are not good players on this football field, okay,
Speaker 1: defensive line, linebackers and secondary and so there's a combination
Speaker 1: of both and you have to address them. And with
Speaker 1: anything in life, when you're talking about business type situations,
Speaker 1: at times you're going to have to make the tough decisions,
Speaker 1: one being you know what I might have to I
Speaker 1: gotta fire my homie, you know what I mean. He
Speaker 1: looked me out back and when he had his chance,
Speaker 1: I looked him out. He didn't live up to the
Speaker 1: end of the bargain. I got you the job, but
Speaker 1: you ain't doing what you gotta do to get me
Speaker 1: to look good. So I gotta let you go, and
Speaker 1: then I gotta get players who understand that in cover three,
Speaker 1: I have this third of the field that I can't
Speaker 1: be looking in the backfield, you know what I'm saying
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. That's that's a player issue. Do
Speaker 1: you think that Geo and Jie listens regularly? Thanks Ji?
Speaker 1: He posed this question which I wonder. This is one
Speaker 1: reason why I think we need to start this rebuild now.
Speaker 1: Is that you know, you've got young rookies like Lamb
Speaker 1: and Digs. Are they developing bad work habits now because
Speaker 1: they see, you know, the Vets apparently have bad work habits.
Speaker 1: Is this kind of this he calls it a bad
Speaker 1: apple syndrome, something we need to worry about for the
Speaker 1: future to I mean, they need to make these changes
Speaker 1: now that if they're really serious about changing the culture,
Speaker 1: don't they You know what, course you're not even get
Speaker 1: an argument from me a jes on that, man. It's
Speaker 1: just you've tied money up into these guys. Man, But
Speaker 1: if you want to get better and I can't tell
Speaker 1: you know, money, I can't tell a man what to
Speaker 1: do with his money. But sometimes you have to take
Speaker 1: a loss. Sometimes you have to take a hit. Sometimes
Speaker 1: you just have to go out and get a player
Speaker 1: that's gonna try hard, you know, like young seventy nine,
Speaker 1: I think I got in my Hamlet and the big
Speaker 1: Hamilton's two on the team. You know, I would tell him,
Speaker 1: man Son, you can get ready to play sixty snaps,
Speaker 1: you know, Antoine was, I need a strong forty from you,
Speaker 1: Tyrone Crawford, give me your thirty five plays, you know,
Speaker 1: and then the rest of the guys we'll fit you
Speaker 1: in if we can. You know, it's about it's about
Speaker 1: will and desire. Now, Man, you know you're sitting here
Speaker 1: with two free agents who everything we got we had
Speaker 1: to work through. Yes, coaches gave us breaks, put put
Speaker 1: up with our lack of abilities in certain ways and
Speaker 1: certain times. The owner several times will save my bacon,
Speaker 1: you know, when a lot of times people like get
Speaker 1: rid of the fat guy. He's saved my bacon. But
Speaker 1: you know, when it comes tigned, when it's you against
Speaker 1: the team or you next to the team, the player
Speaker 1: got to lose, Man, The player got to lose because
Speaker 1: the fifty three other guys got to be got to
Speaker 1: be satisfied. And knowing that you're gonna that they can
Speaker 1: trust in you to do the best thing for the team.
Speaker 1: All right, let's take our last break. When we come back,
Speaker 1: I have a question for you guys, that is, in fact,
Speaker 1: I'll pose the question now and then you tell me
Speaker 1: what you think when come back from the break. You're
Speaker 1: talking about possible about rebuilding. It needs to start now.
Speaker 1: And you have a free agent quarterback after this year
Speaker 1: that we all think is the future of this franchise.
Speaker 1: If you go into rebuild mode now, does that affect
Speaker 1: the way that he makes decisions after the season. Does
Speaker 1: that make him more likely to sign here because he
Speaker 1: knows you're building around him, or does that make him
Speaker 1: less likely because he's in the prime of his career
Speaker 1: and he's gonna lose valuable games maybe a season, maybe
Speaker 1: two seasons if you go into quote unquote rebuild mode.
Speaker 1: I want to know what you guys think as former
Speaker 1: players on that, and Kurt, as not a former player,
Speaker 1: I would love to know your thoughts on that. Since
Speaker 1: we're since we're talking about hypotheticals in this show today,
Speaker 1: which you know we normally don't deal in hypotheticals, but
Speaker 1: you guys took it down this road. So we'll continue
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Speaker 1: So back to my question, we're hypothetically talking about, you know,
Speaker 1: do you go into rebuild mode? When do you start?
Speaker 1: What do you do? How long does it take to
Speaker 1: get out of it? You've got a your franchise quarterback
Speaker 1: that couldn't get a deal done this year, You've got
Speaker 1: franchise tag going into next year. If let's just say,
Speaker 1: hypothetically you do go into rebuild mode, how does that
Speaker 1: affect his decision making process with signing or resigning with
Speaker 1: this team as a as a player? Jesse and Nate,
Speaker 1: I'm interested. Are you encouraged that you're getting pieces around
Speaker 1: you that you need to be successful or are you
Speaker 1: if you're him in the prime of your career, you
Speaker 1: look at it like I'm losing valuable time by going
Speaker 1: through something like this. Here, I'm gonna be I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be brief, I'm I promise, so I'm gonna be brief.
Speaker 1: I don't believe it. I do not believe I promise you,
Speaker 1: I promise you if you just let if you just
Speaker 1: you just be quiet, shann't let me talk twenty seconds.
Speaker 1: We've seen all that we need to see that this
Speaker 1: that that that Prescott is not the issue on this
Speaker 1: football team. And if you don't want him, not the
Speaker 1: leadership in the helm of your quarterback, then you are
Speaker 1: absolutely bugging two. If they franchise Dot, that's all I
Speaker 1: need to know as a player. You don't believe in
Speaker 1: me and you don't want me a part of this team.
Speaker 1: So let me go out to this franchise. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: I ain't signing with you. Go ahead, Nate. We talked
Speaker 1: about the same thing yesterday, Jess, and I tell you,
Speaker 1: like this right here, man, If this thing don't start
Speaker 1: with that, then the rebuild goes from a year and
Speaker 1: a half after this season, it's about four years unless
Speaker 1: you go one and unless you go two and whatever
Speaker 1: and have a chance at these two young quarterbacks, and
Speaker 1: it's still gonna take three or four more years. And
Speaker 1: don't and don't tweet Jess as a fan, because I
Speaker 1: don't respond to tweets. Don't tweet jess as a fan.
Speaker 1: Somebody'd be better than that. Come on, man, you're gonna
Speaker 1: cry and moan and groan and dog got the quarterback.
Speaker 1: We can get the kid from Clempson. It's still gonna
Speaker 1: take him three four years. This ain't This ain't North Texas.
Speaker 1: He thrown against Home? What exactly I mean even through
Speaker 1: the NFCC is the Big South Conference? Hey, I'm talking more.
Speaker 1: I'm talking more of Dak's point of view? Is he
Speaker 1: does he would have been a part of this Shannon, Yes,
Speaker 1: I would say this again. This thing starts with Da.
Speaker 1: If they franchise him, Tombo, we want to see what
Speaker 1: your anchor gonna be like, and get this kid a
Speaker 1: chance to get out of here and say, it's a
Speaker 1: Tennessee team that got their quarterback. Man, when they got
Speaker 1: their quarterback, everybody laughed, But Tennessee, all it was missing
Speaker 1: was a quarterback. Maybe it's a team out there like
Speaker 1: a San Francisco who just the only thing they're missing
Speaker 1: is that stud quarterback. A Chicago, Yeah, that's just missing
Speaker 1: their quarterback. Now, all of a sudden, Da goes over there,
Speaker 1: and half the haters say good riddens, and half of
Speaker 1: us be like well, we're gonna wait and see. We've
Speaker 1: been burned enough. We're gonna wait and see, and you
Speaker 1: don't go out and getting the right guy to come
Speaker 1: in here and run this ship. It ain't gonna matter
Speaker 1: whether Mike McCarthy called him plays or who the defensive
Speaker 1: coordinating is, because you're not gonna win. And this is
Speaker 1: gonna go from a year and a half deal that
Speaker 1: me and Kurt Is thoughtfully came up with four years,
Speaker 1: it's gonna go down years minimum. The rebuild starts with Dad.
Speaker 1: They gotta get him signed, and probably his price is
Speaker 1: only going up now. But I think even with that,
Speaker 1: you know he I would think Dak is asking for
Speaker 1: a rebuild because he knows the offense is you know,
Speaker 1: we know the offense is good. It's tweaked, you can
Speaker 1: tweak it whatever. He can't win with this defense. If
Speaker 1: they don't start rebuilding the defense, it doesn't matter what
Speaker 1: he does. He can't throw it fifty times a game
Speaker 1: and for five yards. So I mean, if i'm Dak,
Speaker 1: I'm like, please fix this thing. Get it done. I'm
Speaker 1: out hurt injured this year anyway, go through the hard
Speaker 1: knocks this year. Start the process now, let's get going
Speaker 1: for next year. Hey, you know, I'm gonna take Jesse's
Speaker 1: analogy and I'm gonna get us some shirts made that
Speaker 1: we wear on this shirt. Don't do that. This ship.
Speaker 1: We're not going back fixed this Rich, thanks this ship. Rich.
Speaker 1: Oh speaking up. Did you guys see where Dan signed
Speaker 1: with Baltimore to the practice squad? I did? Yeah, congrat
Speaker 1: to him, man, happy, Thank God for you. Thank Dan's
Speaker 1: gonna understand what discipline is because the Ravens don't play.
Speaker 1: He about to find out do you do? You do?
Speaker 1: You do? You do? You get to see what it
Speaker 1: is later in your career to say, wow, I thought
Speaker 1: I was gonna be a part of this team and
Speaker 1: do what was right. Now I have no other choice
Speaker 1: but to do us right. Jesse, what you go ahead?
Speaker 1: I was just gonna we signed a punter to our
Speaker 1: practice squad. I mean, so stop stop, Kurt? Yeah, what
Speaker 1: is stopt mean? You just parted ways? I mean, actually
Speaker 1: it's probably a pretty smart move with COVID, but it
Speaker 1: just kind of it's sort of odd. You know, everybody's
Speaker 1: wanting all these moves made with defense, but we signed
Speaker 1: a putter, so you know, we got about two minutes
Speaker 1: and since you just dominated this show again today, we'll
Speaker 1: let you go out do your fad Jess. David David
Speaker 1: Moore rode into Dallas Morning News. This season is taken
Speaker 1: on the same dark tone that that one did ten
Speaker 1: years ago. The same sense of hopelessness hangs in the air.
Speaker 1: And that's the year that Wade Phillips was fired. Jesse.
Speaker 1: You were a part of that team. Does this feel
Speaker 1: similar to that to to you? Or is this just
Speaker 1: a totally different animal than than it was when Wade
Speaker 1: was here? And we'll Coach mccarthur, playbook get bigger out,
Speaker 1: you get shot taking the you know what. It most
Speaker 1: definitely will because he has a he has a he
Speaker 1: has a long line of plays that he knows in
Speaker 1: his head that he's worked with his old life. So
Speaker 1: the playbook will get bigger, It'll will get more expansive,
Speaker 1: it will grow, but it does. And the thing that
Speaker 1: it's similar to what we had back then the ice
Speaker 1: right now, these players don't care. They don't care, and
Speaker 1: it wasn't and people always say, well, they don't want
Speaker 1: to play for the coach, They don't want to play
Speaker 1: for themselves, like they don't want to play for themselves.
Speaker 1: Like that's the part that I never understand. People say, well,
Speaker 1: they don't want to, they don't want to play for themselves.
Speaker 1: They they they don't want to put the work in,
Speaker 1: they don't care their attitude, my check coming every Tuesday,
Speaker 1: whether y'all like it or not, and so they just
Speaker 1: don't care. And those are the kind of guys that
Speaker 1: you have when you have enough of them and they
Speaker 1: infiltrate your locker room, it's a cancer and it you know,
Speaker 1: excuse me, crowded. I don't want to use that term
Speaker 1: of someone who's actually, you know, battled it and beat it.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't want to be insensitive to you
Speaker 1: or anything like that. But it's it's it's something that
Speaker 1: gets inside of you and it begins to destroy the
Speaker 1: structure of who you are. And that's what's happening. It's
Speaker 1: it's it's players in this locker room who are destroying
Speaker 1: the structure of who this team is. And Jesse feels
Speaker 1: a lot like it couldn't you use an analogy like
Speaker 1: it's like a bad case of gas, Like it just
Speaker 1: gets in and you just gotta get it out, Like
Speaker 1: why why'd you have to go with the season. I
Speaker 1: don't know, I felt bad worse than him. Yeah, that'd
Speaker 1: be looking at Yall Walls man, Wow, that is great. Jesse.
Speaker 1: You close, You open the show up perfectly. And Shannon
Speaker 1: said yesterday that you would dominate this show too when
Speaker 1: you did. And you open the show up perfectly, you
Speaker 1: closed it perfectly. Jesse. You from Jesse. You open the show,
Speaker 1: you closed it, and you feel the middle and like
Speaker 1: an Oreo cookie, you just took the whole show and
Speaker 1: just made it. You put it up chef ladies and
Speaker 1: gentlemen tomorrow. I got a chef jacket. I'm putting on
Speaker 1: my chef jacket tomorrow. And then shouting at the end,
Speaker 1: gave us that up in the back of the standard
Speaker 1: analogy we didn't need. You can tell you hang out
Speaker 1: in the stands by yourself at the game. Oh fellas,
Speaker 1: we can move on to the next game. Let's move
Speaker 1: on to the Eagles tomorrow. Cowboys offense, office their defense. Right,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be you know what. Let's just talk about
Speaker 1: show about this. Who win? Nate looking good, Kurt good scene,
Speaker 1: and Jesse. I like the I like the jersey. Chris Bean,
Speaker 1: thanks for keeping us on the air. This has been
Speaker 1: another episode of Hanging with the Boys. We'll be back tomorrow,
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