Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, this is Sharene and you're listening to it
Speaker 1: can happen here? It could? I always miss up the
Speaker 1: name of this podcast, and it's really embarrassing because I
Speaker 1: work on it. It could happen here. Um not, it
Speaker 1: can happen here, the same words to me in my
Speaker 1: head though. Anyway. We're joined today by I Guess that
Speaker 1: I previously had on the podcast that I co host
Speaker 1: Ethnically Ambiguous, and she has a podcast coming out that
Speaker 1: is super important and I'm excited to talk about what
Speaker 1: it's about and the podcast itself. Joining me today are
Speaker 1: Garrison and Chris and our guest nihasse Hi. Hello, Hey, hello, welcome,
Speaker 1: Thank you, Welcome to the show. So you're you have
Speaker 1: a new podcast called Partition. Can you explain what that's about? Yes?
Speaker 1: So Partition tells the story of the separation of India
Speaker 1: and the formation of Pakistan that took place in on
Speaker 1: Monday Day, well Sunday Monday, because I happened at midnight,
Speaker 1: celebrated its seventy five anniversary this year. Um. So it's
Speaker 1: quite a large event that most people don't really know about.
Speaker 1: I myself didn't really know the specifics of it until
Speaker 1: I first went back to Pakistan where I was born
Speaker 1: and Cratchy um. But basically Britain was like, hey, we're
Speaker 1: out of money, we can't control India anymore, We're gonna leave.
Speaker 1: And in that process, they were going to transfer the
Speaker 1: power UH to India and they were gonna they were
Speaker 1: going to have independence. And then all these other politicians
Speaker 1: kind of came in the picture and wanted their own
Speaker 1: personal agendas and UH Pakistan would be the Muslim dominion
Speaker 1: while India would be the Hindu Sikh dominion. And basically
Speaker 1: within this process it was such a rushed job that
Speaker 1: fourteen million people were uprooted, wanted, two million people died.
Speaker 1: You know. Um, the boundary line actually wasn't announced until
Speaker 1: a few days after independence happened, so no one knew
Speaker 1: like what where they were in what country? Um. So
Speaker 1: it was just like a lot of confusion, a lot
Speaker 1: of violence, a lot of just a lot of mess
Speaker 1: that happened. And you know, a lot of the survivors
Speaker 1: are quite old now. My grandfather's a survivor. He's he
Speaker 1: was fourteen when it happened, so he's eighty nine now.
Speaker 1: And so the only way we can really get these
Speaker 1: stories are through oral histories, and I never really learned
Speaker 1: about it in school and because my parents didn't tell
Speaker 1: me about it. Again, like I said, I didn't really
Speaker 1: know about it for a long time. So if I
Speaker 1: don't know about it, um, and this is like my
Speaker 1: history and my family, UM, I'm sure there are many
Speaker 1: other people who don't know about it. Well. I definitely
Speaker 1: was very uninformed before you came on to the other
Speaker 1: podcast technically ambiguous. I'm gonna stop saying it because it
Speaker 1: sounds like I'm plugging it, but I'm not. UM, But also,
Speaker 1: go listen to it. Thanks, I appreciate that. But but no,
Speaker 1: I do think it's really important because it's absurd the
Speaker 1: huge historical events that are like kept out of what
Speaker 1: we were taught in history class, if you can even
Speaker 1: call it that. UM. But but yeah, I think it's
Speaker 1: really important to know about this huge thing that happened
Speaker 1: in our recent history that created these two countries. UM.
Speaker 1: Can you tell us what the process was making this
Speaker 1: podcast for you and like what research you did and
Speaker 1: we like just the steps leading up to it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I originally wanted to make this UM story into
Speaker 1: a limited narrative series, but I didn't really know how
Speaker 1: that would happen. Um. And I don't have like an
Speaker 1: agent or anything like that, but it was just a
Speaker 1: project I wanted to work on. But it's such a
Speaker 1: vast event. I was like, I don't know, like where
Speaker 1: I would even start. Um. And then a couple of
Speaker 1: months later, I saw um that our Heart Radio was
Speaker 1: creating a program called Next Up. And that's when the
Speaker 1: idea for the podcast came along, and I was like,
Speaker 1: you know, podcasts are a really good way for people
Speaker 1: to digest information. Um. It's a lot more accessible, I
Speaker 1: think than other forms of media. It doesn't cost any money. Um.
Speaker 1: You can download it in a number of ways, you
Speaker 1: can listen to it in a number of ways. UM.
Speaker 1: So I thought that might be a good place to start,
Speaker 1: and I ended up getting accepted into the program. And
Speaker 1: it's it's still like a lot of work, and it's
Speaker 1: a lot of just it's a lot of draining work, um,
Speaker 1: because you have all these like horrible facts written in
Speaker 1: like one Google dog that you're saying to people because
Speaker 1: I outlined them, and then I write a script because
Speaker 1: it's mostly a lot of my narration with interview sprinkled in.
Speaker 1: But the first thing I did is Um. I talked
Speaker 1: to family, I talked to my grandpa. I talked to
Speaker 1: my great aunt who was actually born the day of independence. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so Sunday, Monday, but just in case the day is
Speaker 1: not yes, August fourteenth, August fifteen, so this year it
Speaker 1: happened to be a Sunday in a Monday. And you know,
Speaker 1: so I asked her what stories people told her? I
Speaker 1: asked my mom. We went to an exhibit in Pakistan
Speaker 1: that's kind of what spurred everything for partition for me,
Speaker 1: and we talked about our experiences there. I had, like
Speaker 1: my dad do some voice over for my grandpa because
Speaker 1: the our connection wasn't the best. He's in Pakistan. We
Speaker 1: recorded it via WhatsApp on a pad track recorder and
Speaker 1: it's it was like it's very loud over there. There's
Speaker 1: you know, birds chirping constantly. It was just like a
Speaker 1: it was a situation. Um. But I just started reading
Speaker 1: books and then I started talking to a lot of
Speaker 1: people and I ended up talking to an author named
Speaker 1: Nisida Jari, whose book I referenced quite a bit in
Speaker 1: the second episode, which drops Monday eight twenty two. And
Speaker 1: you know, the first thing he told me was you
Speaker 1: can't cover everything. So once you understand that that's going
Speaker 1: to be the case, and it's going to be a
Speaker 1: lot easier, and it's true, like you can't cover everything.
Speaker 1: And I kind of struggled a lot with the narrative
Speaker 1: I wanted to tell because so many of the stories
Speaker 1: out there are very biased. There's a lot of you know,
Speaker 1: like the great men in history stories which I don't
Speaker 1: care about, and I just wanted to tell the facts.
Speaker 1: But I quickly discovered that's really hard because this is
Speaker 1: my history, this is my story. This is something that
Speaker 1: impacts my family for um, future generations, and my identity
Speaker 1: without a doubt. So I was like, let me kind
Speaker 1: of do it with the lens of discovery. UM. And
Speaker 1: I wanted to tell the stories that people don't really
Speaker 1: hear about. So I didn't want to talk about like
Speaker 1: meetings that happened in libraries and what ever between like
Speaker 1: all these politicians. I literally don't care about that. But
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about, um, the way women were treated.
Speaker 1: It is thought that seventy to a hundred thousand women
Speaker 1: were raped, abducted, murdered. I wanted to talk about I
Speaker 1: wanted to talk to artists, and creatives who had kind
Speaker 1: of like a reckoning with this history and then use
Speaker 1: their work to teach people about it. So an artist
Speaker 1: who reframes the narrative with her pieces and talks about
Speaker 1: the actual people that affected a filmmaker, oral historians, uh, survivors. Um,
Speaker 1: that's the stories that I wanted to tell. I didn't
Speaker 1: want it to be um, something you would get like
Speaker 1: on the History Channel, which is totally fine. That's great,
Speaker 1: there's an audience for that, but that just isn't something
Speaker 1: that I wanted to do. You're not doing a whole
Speaker 1: bunch of ancient aliens then. Now. I did watch an
Speaker 1: episode of Doctor Who that talks about partition, and I
Speaker 1: think they are like aliens or something in there. So
Speaker 1: there is something thrown in there about some sci fi stuff.
Speaker 1: Though I'm fascinated to see how Doctor Who handles partition.
Speaker 1: I mean it was actually done really well. It was
Speaker 1: written by Yeah, it was written by South Asian person
Speaker 1: and so that was like the first uh thing that
Speaker 1: I saw in my research that really kind of showcase
Speaker 1: like the emotion and and the things that people went through.
Speaker 1: And I didn't see any British people besides like the
Speaker 1: people that originally came on the mission or whatever. So
Speaker 1: that was nice. Um. But yeah, like there there was
Speaker 1: a sci fi element. I can't tell you what that
Speaker 1: was about, but that aside, it was actually something that,
Speaker 1: um that people told me about. When I mentioned partition,
Speaker 1: They're like, oh, there's this episode of Doctor Who. So
Speaker 1: I've only seen that one episode, but I think it
Speaker 1: in the in my research. It was the first thing
Speaker 1: where I was like, Okay, this actually tells a perspective
Speaker 1: from the people of South Asia. Wow, let's get to
Speaker 1: know it was written by a South Asian person. At
Speaker 1: first I was like, I'm not even going to touch that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Up next, Stephen Moffatt writes about apartheiz, So, I'm curious
Speaker 1: you mentioned not including like including some things but not
Speaker 1: other things. What what like how did you decide what
Speaker 1: to include and what not to include? Yeah, so in
Speaker 1: a way you can say, like the actual history is
Speaker 1: maybe the least important part I think of the podcast.
Speaker 1: Like I talk about like events, like there's something called
Speaker 1: direct Action Day that happened about a year before the
Speaker 1: boundary line was announced, where Mohammad Ali Jinna, the future
Speaker 1: founder of Pakistan, kind of called on Muslims to be
Speaker 1: to to kind of have demonstrations, but it was kind
Speaker 1: of unclear what exactly that meant. And massive looting carnage
Speaker 1: took place, and I talked about that and how that
Speaker 1: was like a big catalyst for partition. But I didn't
Speaker 1: want to like get into like this treaty and this
Speaker 1: event and like this meeting and whatever, because that information
Speaker 1: is out there if people want to know. And like
Speaker 1: I had mentioned, that's not really the aspects um that
Speaker 1: I took particular interest in. I wanted to talk about
Speaker 1: women and survivors and just you know, I felt I
Speaker 1: found it to be very common people who are my
Speaker 1: age and I just turned thirty two. Um, I guess
Speaker 1: millennials you could say, Um, their parents and family don't
Speaker 1: talk to them about it. So it's been really interesting
Speaker 1: to talk to people who are my age, who are
Speaker 1: older than me, who are younger than me have very
Speaker 1: similar experiences and how they found out about this information. UM.
Speaker 1: So those are the kind of things I wanted to
Speaker 1: focus on because you know, a lot of our stories,
Speaker 1: uh from minority communities, um, that are out there in
Speaker 1: like mainstream media, are rarely told from our perspectives they're
Speaker 1: told from somebody else, and so I wanted I wanted
Speaker 1: this story to come from me and from other people
Speaker 1: who um have just different experiences with partition, whether they
Speaker 1: lived through it, whether they're an oral historian, whether they
Speaker 1: write a fictional novel about it to cope with their trauma.
Speaker 1: Which I interviewed a woman who did do that. She
Speaker 1: was four years old when it happened, and she disassociated
Speaker 1: herself a lot with partition until she wrote about until
Speaker 1: she wrote about it in this fictionalized novel. UM. So
Speaker 1: it's And I wanted to talk about what forms of
Speaker 1: media were also out there, which is why I watched
Speaker 1: that Doctor Who episode. I also watched Gandhi three hours
Speaker 1: of my Life I'm never going to get back. Um terrible,
Speaker 1: so not great. Um, you know I love Richard and
Speaker 1: Borro like Durasser Park is great, but like this, this
Speaker 1: wasn't it. This wasn't it. Um. So I wanted to
Speaker 1: I wanted to point people in that direction where if
Speaker 1: you actually wanted to dig deeper into this information, like
Speaker 1: here's where you should go, Like don't don't watch Gandhi, Um,
Speaker 1: like don't watch I mean, I love the Crown, but
Speaker 1: I mean, like, let's be real, like, you know, like
Speaker 1: if they mentioned I think India once in the pilot episode,
Speaker 1: um where and it took place about three months after
Speaker 1: partition happened, and Prince Philip is getting married to Queen Elizabeth,
Speaker 1: and um, what's his name? Winston Churchill is walking and
Speaker 1: he sees Lord Mountbatten, who was tasked with the separation
Speaker 1: of India, who was also Prince Philip's uncle, and Winston
Speaker 1: Churchill goes, oh, that's the man who gave India away.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, that's not really what happened, but okay,
Speaker 1: and that's the only thing that they say. Um. But
Speaker 1: I do love period jamas and I do love Corgis,
Speaker 1: which is one of the main reasons I watched The Crown. Um.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so I want sorry one Pats the actually
Speaker 1: got whacked for the IRA at the seventies, right, yes Jesus, yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: I actually didn't know that until I watched The Crown, so, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, um, because again that wasn't really I wasn't
Speaker 1: really looking into him and his history. I don't care,
Speaker 1: but I ended up seeing it in the crowd. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I just I really wanted to focus on South
Speaker 1: Asians and like our story and working through how real
Speaker 1: generational trauma is and kind of reclaiming our narrative with
Speaker 1: um just kind of the truth. And you know, something
Speaker 1: that popped up when I was creating kind of getting
Speaker 1: deeper into the podcast was Miss Marvel. I knew it
Speaker 1: was going to follow a Muslim woman, which I was like, great,
Speaker 1: but I didn't know that they would talk about partition
Speaker 1: and how that was like a major plot point. And
Speaker 1: so people are starting to learn about the history because
Speaker 1: of that show, which is amazing. UM. So if I
Speaker 1: can kind of add on to that and expand uh
Speaker 1: people's education, I think that's great. Something else I also
Speaker 1: wanted to do was I want people to have empathy
Speaker 1: and sympathy for immigrants and refugees, especially ones that don't
Speaker 1: look like them, um, because we come in all colors
Speaker 1: and sizes, and you know, I think their response to
Speaker 1: Ukraine Ukrainian refugees in the UK was great, but I
Speaker 1: don't really think that same courtesy was extended to refugees
Speaker 1: from Syria. And I think that's really important because I'm
Speaker 1: an immigrant. It took quite a long time for me
Speaker 1: to become a citizen twenty five years. So, um, and
Speaker 1: it's very hard, and it's something that people don't know about,
Speaker 1: and so I just kind of want I want people
Speaker 1: to care about things that don't directly affect them, which
Speaker 1: I think is very much like an American rooted thing. Um.
Speaker 1: And so I really I mean, I don't think my
Speaker 1: podcast is going to change that, but if I can,
Speaker 1: but if people can look outside themselves, um with this,
Speaker 1: I think that would be really great. Yeah, totally before
Speaker 1: I forget and I want to make Daniel's day, let's
Speaker 1: take a quick commercial break and we'll be right back. Okay,
Speaker 1: and we're back. Um. One of the things I was wondering,
Speaker 1: what do you actually think about the way that I
Speaker 1: smartvil like did like talked about partition because I saw
Speaker 1: a lot of I don't know, I saw a lot
Speaker 1: of conflicting sort of arguments about it. Yeah, so I
Speaker 1: liked it. Um. But I'm also I think when you're
Speaker 1: our minority and you see something that has affected you
Speaker 1: and your family or has oppressed you, you expect this
Speaker 1: art form to talk about every single thing, you know, um,
Speaker 1: because that is a burden that we bear as creative
Speaker 1: artists of color, that if we don't talk about every
Speaker 1: single thing that's the press of the community, then it's
Speaker 1: not worth our time. It's kind of like the mantra
Speaker 1: that we have UM. And for me, I'm like, this
Speaker 1: show is six episodes, like what like, you know, you
Speaker 1: need to understand that that is not something that that
Speaker 1: they can encapsulate in there while talking about all these
Speaker 1: other things. So I think it does a really good
Speaker 1: job capturing emotion. UM. I feel a lot of times
Speaker 1: you get the partition story from people who are um
Speaker 1: who are currently in India. So it was nice to
Speaker 1: see people from Pakistan, um like, and they're from Grati
Speaker 1: just like I am. And I found it, you know,
Speaker 1: like every episode just made me just crying more. I
Speaker 1: am also very sensitive and so I would just um
Speaker 1: because I felt it. You know. There was there was
Speaker 1: a particular scene where Kamala was talking to her her
Speaker 1: nanni which means grandmother, and her grandmother is like, my
Speaker 1: passport says Pakistan, but my roots are in India. And
Speaker 1: I really felt that because I was born in Pakistan,
Speaker 1: my parents were born in Pakistan, but all other generations
Speaker 1: were born in India, and that is a place because
Speaker 1: of how tense the borders are between these countries. I
Speaker 1: will not get to visit for the foreseeable future. If
Speaker 1: you were born in Pakistan, you are not allowed to
Speaker 1: go to India. If you were born in India, you're
Speaker 1: not allowed to go to Pakistan. And it's just crazy
Speaker 1: because I'm like, well, that's where I came from in
Speaker 1: a sense, you know. Um, So for me, just because
Speaker 1: like I said, I am a sensitive person. Like the emotion,
Speaker 1: the you know, the people going on trains that you know,
Speaker 1: that is something that I talked about a lot in
Speaker 1: my podcast. A lot of people experienced or read about. Um,
Speaker 1: A lot of people were hoping to get on trains
Speaker 1: and when they tried, those trains came into the stations,
Speaker 1: but they were filled with dead bodies and not people
Speaker 1: who are alive. And so I think it did a
Speaker 1: good job capturing the emotion. But it's like you there's
Speaker 1: just no way you can capture the complexity of that
Speaker 1: event with that. Even with my podcast it's ten episodes,
Speaker 1: and like Nissagari had said earlier, you just can't cover everything,
Speaker 1: so you have to pick and choose what you want.
Speaker 1: And also like it's as an artist like for me,
Speaker 1: for me, specifically, it's like I want to give you
Speaker 1: like the crumbs of something, and then I want you
Speaker 1: to look into it more, right, Like I shouldn't have
Speaker 1: to force feed you information. I should keep you intrigued
Speaker 1: enough for you don't want to look at this information
Speaker 1: on your own, you know. So like that's how I
Speaker 1: how I see it. But I am in a little
Speaker 1: bit of a different position because I work in film
Speaker 1: and TV, Like I programmed several film festivals and things
Speaker 1: like that, so I'm almost also looking through that with
Speaker 1: that kind of I um, but like I can understand
Speaker 1: people are like, oh, I wish they talked about this.
Speaker 1: I wish they talked about this, but you know, you know,
Speaker 1: but me, I'm just like old six episodes. They have
Speaker 1: to do all this exposition, they have to do this,
Speaker 1: that's just impossible. But people aren't thinking that way. But
Speaker 1: I think it really captured the emotion and the trauma
Speaker 1: of that event and how how um sad it is,
Speaker 1: you know, um, because it is sad to be like
Speaker 1: I'll never get to see where my great grandparents lived
Speaker 1: or my grandparents because they were children, you know, at
Speaker 1: least until they decide that's not the case anymore. Um,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I can understand people's criticisms, but I think
Speaker 1: for me personally, I thought it did a really good job.
Speaker 1: And actually, uh, the woman who created the exhibit that
Speaker 1: I saw in Pakistan that really spearheaded this whole thing
Speaker 1: for me actually directed episodes four and five of Miss Marvel,
Speaker 1: so which is really cool to see that. That was
Speaker 1: another thing I wanted to ask about was like, what
Speaker 1: was the process of doing this, Like emotionally, I know
Speaker 1: I did a I wound up doing somewhat similar things
Speaker 1: for a couple of episodes about World War Two, and
Speaker 1: like talking to my family about what it was like
Speaker 1: in China was just like and like just doing the
Speaker 1: sort of our Cape of Reefers, which just like brutal,
Speaker 1: and yeah, I want to know, like what that was
Speaker 1: like for you and what that was like for like
Speaker 1: your family having to talk about it and yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so it was really draining because you're just reading so
Speaker 1: many awful things, like I read a number of different
Speaker 1: books and you know, talking to all these people, and
Speaker 1: I think for my grandfather, I think, like I don't,
Speaker 1: I don't. He's not a very emotional person. And again
Speaker 1: I wasn't physically there with him when he was talking
Speaker 1: to me, and I think it's like something that's for sure,
Speaker 1: like in the past for him. And he was fortunate
Speaker 1: in the way that he came from an area that
Speaker 1: did have violence, but it wasn't to the extent that
Speaker 1: you of other people's accounts. Um. And but talking to
Speaker 1: survive vers was really hard. I actually went to San
Speaker 1: Francisco to talk to someone specifically because they're very hard
Speaker 1: of hearing, and so doing it virtually would have been
Speaker 1: very impossible. And it was also it was also hard
Speaker 1: because he was saying all these things and then he
Speaker 1: would tear up, and it's like where do you just
Speaker 1: listen to this person? And then where do you comfort them?
Speaker 1: Is really hard because I don't want to interrupt, but
Speaker 1: I don't want them to be like I don't care
Speaker 1: about what you're saying, like it's affecting me, you know. Um.
Speaker 1: And that person spoke to me for two and a
Speaker 1: half hours, and I had yet to really listen to
Speaker 1: his audio. I've just like listened to bits and pieces
Speaker 1: just for like clarity purposes. UM. So that's gonna be
Speaker 1: rough when that happens, and it's going to come up soon. Um.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it was just really draining, and it's just
Speaker 1: like like highlighting. It's like you know when you're reading
Speaker 1: I've read all these books and you're highlighting things, but
Speaker 1: it's like you're going to highlight the whole book because
Speaker 1: it's just there's just so many crazy things. And yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just really sad. It's really dreaming. Like I had
Speaker 1: mentioned writing the scripts and a Google doc and I'm like,
Speaker 1: here's just like twenty minutes of terror and like an
Speaker 1: a page Google doc that you have to say, um.
Speaker 1: And that also brings up another point where even though
Speaker 1: this podcast is sad and it's not particularly uplifting in
Speaker 1: certain ways, I did want to be myself and so
Speaker 1: I try to add a little bit of lovity in there.
Speaker 1: Um Like, there was an artist who um that I mentioned.
Speaker 1: Her work name is Pertica Chodori. She had these really
Speaker 1: beautiful installations um of like female body parts, but they
Speaker 1: ended up getting ruined in transportation, and so she digitized
Speaker 1: them and is and made n f T s and
Speaker 1: so me trying to explain what an n f T
Speaker 1: is is just the most ridiculous thing in the world.
Speaker 1: So I was like, I'm not going to talk about it,
Speaker 1: but it's like there's a little point of lovity in
Speaker 1: there that we're talking about n f T s in
Speaker 1: this podcast, you know. Um, but yeah, it's it was
Speaker 1: it's still like a really dreaming process because I say
Speaker 1: this a lot, and people of interviewed say this, that
Speaker 1: partition isn't something that's in the past, is something that
Speaker 1: is alive and breathing. And you know, Pritica said it
Speaker 1: in a really distinct way where she's like, it lives
Speaker 1: in families and it really does. So like every day,
Speaker 1: I feel like I just kind of it's hard for
Speaker 1: me not to get bogged down with all this information because,
Speaker 1: like I said, I am a sensitive person, so well,
Speaker 1: I tend to hold things and carry things with me. Um.
Speaker 1: But it's been a really rough process. But I think
Speaker 1: what kind of makes it a little easier is like, well,
Speaker 1: these people's stories are getting out there. Um, people who
Speaker 1: may not know about this are going to learn about
Speaker 1: it now, and maybe that inspires them to learn about
Speaker 1: other events that they didn't learn in school. Like all
Speaker 1: of my education was done in Texas and that can
Speaker 1: be another podcast within itself, because our education is something
Speaker 1: to say the least, um, you know, So that's kind
Speaker 1: of the way I try to look at it, like
Speaker 1: it's really rough. And then I also, um, I love
Speaker 1: reading and everything, so I'm just like, I'm going to
Speaker 1: read this like thirsty rom com to get me away
Speaker 1: from like the horribleness of the work I'm doing every day.
Speaker 1: So definitely a little bit of balance too. I do
Speaker 1: think it's interesting to hear you say that you're I'm
Speaker 1: very sensitive as well and how you hold stuff in.
Speaker 1: I do think as people of color are families, especially
Speaker 1: like immigrant families of people that have been through trauma.
Speaker 1: That's that's why that's why most people don't know about this,
Speaker 1: because this intergenerational trauma is something that they've kept and
Speaker 1: barely talked about, if at all. Um So I'm really
Speaker 1: glad that like you went to San Francisco and that
Speaker 1: person was able to like release all of the this
Speaker 1: emotion that they were holding probably for their whole life.
Speaker 1: So so yeah, I do. I think, um, there are
Speaker 1: many reasons why your podcast is important, but I think
Speaker 1: even the chance that someone can like explore that not
Speaker 1: trauma sounds a little bit more dramatic than I wanted to.
Speaker 1: But like the feelings behind what that means and their
Speaker 1: family history or even if you're not South Asian, it's
Speaker 1: important to note again something that doesn't affect you because
Speaker 1: the whole world really Yeah, just like understanding your history
Speaker 1: and like where you come from. I have a friend
Speaker 1: who's Chinese, and she texted me she was just like,
Speaker 1: now I kind of want to look into like my history,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, that's great, Like that's what I you know,
Speaker 1: I wanted if I wanted any kind of like actionable
Speaker 1: thing to happen, it's like that exact thing, looking into
Speaker 1: your own history, looking into other people's histories. Totally. Wow. Um.
Speaker 1: I did say before we confirmed you as a guest
Speaker 1: that you're good at talking, and this confirmed that. Thank
Speaker 1: you so much. You were the perfect podcast guest like
Speaker 1: this period. Um. But I really appreciate your time, and
Speaker 1: I appreciate the both effort and like emotional energy that
Speaker 1: goes into making a show like this because I can
Speaker 1: kind of relate when I talk about the Middle East stuff,
Speaker 1: like it's really really hard. So I appreciate your time,
Speaker 1: and I'm really excited for people to learn more about
Speaker 1: the partition and what that means. Um, can you tell
Speaker 1: the audience where they can find you, and the podcast
Speaker 1: obviously is where you can find it. But let's I'm
Speaker 1: going to hand it over to you. Here you go, okay. Um.
Speaker 1: So Partition Podcast launched on augustive team you can find
Speaker 1: it wherever you get your podcasts UM socially, the I
Speaker 1: Heart Radio app. Um. You can find me on Instagram
Speaker 1: and Twitter, Instagram at Nahazie's Twitter at Nahazie's thirteen. And
Speaker 1: you can find Partition on Twitter at pod and Partition
Speaker 1: Podcast on Instagram. Nice um on EA, you mentioned upcoming
Speaker 1: project you want to do that's also about like a
Speaker 1: similar topic. Do you want to like explore what that is? Yeah? So,
Speaker 1: um something that I really wanted to do. And this
Speaker 1: is another thing that we're kind of talking about of
Speaker 1: like people not talking about like everything, like encompassing everything
Speaker 1: in like one uh story. So Um, something very similar
Speaker 1: to Partition happened in Ninete when East Pakislan became Bangladesh.
Speaker 1: Um and a lot of my mom's families from there.
Speaker 1: My grandma UM and a lot of her family currently
Speaker 1: live there and it's again very similar to Partition. A
Speaker 1: lot of violence, a lot of bloodshed, UM, And that story,
Speaker 1: to me, UM deserves its own time and respect. And
Speaker 1: I remember when I first talked about partition, They're like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're gonna talk about this, and I'm like, I want
Speaker 1: to mention it, but it is too big a story.
Speaker 1: Just just kind of throw into what I'm doing because
Speaker 1: it deserves way more than that. So that is another
Speaker 1: story that I want to tell. And it actually celebrated
Speaker 1: its fiftie anniversary last year. UM And from my understanding,
Speaker 1: it's there are no memorials in either India or Pakistan
Speaker 1: that commemorates, not commemorates, but showcases like how partition was,
Speaker 1: Like we don't you know, there isn't like a like
Speaker 1: here all the people who died, or here's this, or
Speaker 1: here's like the statue of a bird or I don't
Speaker 1: know whatever like that that you know that people. There's
Speaker 1: no like communal place of grief. And it is my
Speaker 1: understand that Bangladesh really does have these things. I believe
Speaker 1: there's a Liberation museum and statues and there is a
Speaker 1: Partition Museum UM that was founded in seventeen, but it
Speaker 1: is not a government sanction thing. It's privately owned and
Speaker 1: again it with it being in India. UM, there's also
Speaker 1: a lot of barriers, like it's not a place I
Speaker 1: can visit, um, and so um, that is something I
Speaker 1: really want to do. My mom is actually trying to
Speaker 1: go to Bungladesh UM this year, and it's been a
Speaker 1: little bit difficult, I think, trying to obtain her visa.
Speaker 1: But I hope she gets to go soon and I
Speaker 1: hope I get to go with her. But UM, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's other stories that I want to tell because I
Speaker 1: feel like partition is is starting to kind of people
Speaker 1: are starting to understand that, but I feel like ninety
Speaker 1: one is just not there at all. Um. It's I think,
Speaker 1: something that people seem to just forget about, and it's
Speaker 1: just crazy to think. I'm like, it's that's not that
Speaker 1: long for our country to be around, like seventy five years,
Speaker 1: like fifty years, that's not a long time. UM. So
Speaker 1: it's just like really insane when you think about it
Speaker 1: that way, and um, especially when you think of how
Speaker 1: ancient these lands are and just how new these places are. UM.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's something I would definitely love to tell. UM.
Speaker 1: I would love for my next project to be on
Speaker 1: that UM, but that decision is not up to me.
Speaker 1: So hopefully, um, hopefully, it'll work out. Yeah, I really
Speaker 1: hope so too. UM. I do really appreciate, I'm sure
Speaker 1: everyone else is, to the fact that you're talking about
Speaker 1: things that are just glossed over or not even mentioned usually. UM,
Speaker 1: I hate that, like it's usually our job to educate people.
Speaker 1: But in the meantime, you're doing a fantastic job and
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see the other projects you do.
Speaker 1: But obviously listen to Partition Everybody first. UM, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: the show.