1 00:00:01,560 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, this is Sharene and you're listening to it 2 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 1: can happen here? It could? I always miss up the 3 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:11,959 Speaker 1: name of this podcast, and it's really embarrassing because I 4 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: work on it. It could happen here. Um not, it 5 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:16,599 Speaker 1: can happen here, the same words to me in my 6 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:19,599 Speaker 1: head though. Anyway. We're joined today by I Guess that 7 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: I previously had on the podcast that I co host 8 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:26,639 Speaker 1: Ethnically Ambiguous, and she has a podcast coming out that 9 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: is super important and I'm excited to talk about what 10 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: it's about and the podcast itself. Joining me today are 11 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 1: Garrison and Chris and our guest nihasse Hi. Hello, Hey, hello, welcome, 12 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: Thank you, Welcome to the show. So you're you have 13 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 1: a new podcast called Partition. Can you explain what that's about? Yes? 14 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: So Partition tells the story of the separation of India 15 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 1: and the formation of Pakistan that took place in on 16 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 1: Monday Day, well Sunday Monday, because I happened at midnight, 17 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: celebrated its seventy five anniversary this year. Um. So it's 18 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: quite a large event that most people don't really know about. 19 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 1: I myself didn't really know the specifics of it until 20 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: I first went back to Pakistan where I was born 21 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:23,040 Speaker 1: and Cratchy um. But basically Britain was like, hey, we're 22 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,759 Speaker 1: out of money, we can't control India anymore, We're gonna leave. 23 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 1: And in that process, they were going to transfer the 24 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:35,320 Speaker 1: power UH to India and they were gonna they were 25 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: going to have independence. And then all these other politicians 26 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 1: kind of came in the picture and wanted their own 27 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 1: personal agendas and UH Pakistan would be the Muslim dominion 28 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: while India would be the Hindu Sikh dominion. And basically 29 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: within this process it was such a rushed job that 30 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: fourteen million people were uprooted, wanted, two million people died. 31 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: You know. Um, the boundary line actually wasn't announced until 32 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 1: a few days after independence happened, so no one knew 33 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 1: like what where they were in what country? Um. So 34 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 1: it was just like a lot of confusion, a lot 35 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:16,799 Speaker 1: of violence, a lot of just a lot of mess 36 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 1: that happened. And you know, a lot of the survivors 37 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 1: are quite old now. My grandfather's a survivor. He's he 38 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 1: was fourteen when it happened, so he's eighty nine now. 39 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:28,919 Speaker 1: And so the only way we can really get these 40 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 1: stories are through oral histories, and I never really learned 41 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: about it in school and because my parents didn't tell 42 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: me about it. Again, like I said, I didn't really 43 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 1: know about it for a long time. So if I 44 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:41,119 Speaker 1: don't know about it, um, and this is like my 45 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 1: history and my family, UM, I'm sure there are many 46 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 1: other people who don't know about it. Well. I definitely 47 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 1: was very uninformed before you came on to the other 48 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: podcast technically ambiguous. I'm gonna stop saying it because it 49 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 1: sounds like I'm plugging it, but I'm not. UM, But also, 50 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 1: go listen to it. Thanks, I appreciate that. But but no, 51 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 1: I do think it's really important because it's absurd the 52 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 1: huge historical events that are like kept out of what 53 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: we were taught in history class, if you can even 54 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: call it that. UM. But but yeah, I think it's 55 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 1: really important to know about this huge thing that happened 56 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 1: in our recent history that created these two countries. UM. 57 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 1: Can you tell us what the process was making this 58 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: podcast for you and like what research you did and 59 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: we like just the steps leading up to it. Yeah. 60 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: So I originally wanted to make this UM story into 61 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: a limited narrative series, but I didn't really know how 62 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 1: that would happen. Um. And I don't have like an 63 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 1: agent or anything like that, but it was just a 64 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 1: project I wanted to work on. But it's such a 65 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: vast event. I was like, I don't know, like where 66 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: I would even start. Um. And then a couple of 67 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: months later, I saw um that our Heart Radio was 68 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: creating a program called Next Up. And that's when the 69 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 1: idea for the podcast came along, and I was like, 70 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 1: you know, podcasts are a really good way for people 71 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 1: to digest information. Um. It's a lot more accessible, I 72 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 1: think than other forms of media. It doesn't cost any money. Um. 73 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:25,840 Speaker 1: You can download it in a number of ways, you 74 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 1: can listen to it in a number of ways. UM. 75 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: So I thought that might be a good place to start, 76 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: and I ended up getting accepted into the program. And 77 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: it's it's still like a lot of work, and it's 78 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 1: a lot of just it's a lot of draining work, um, 79 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 1: because you have all these like horrible facts written in 80 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: like one Google dog that you're saying to people because 81 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: I outlined them, and then I write a script because 82 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 1: it's mostly a lot of my narration with interview sprinkled in. 83 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: But the first thing I did is Um. I talked 84 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: to family, I talked to my grandpa. I talked to 85 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 1: my great aunt who was actually born the day of independence. Um. Yeah, 86 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 1: so Sunday, Monday, but just in case the day is 87 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:13,840 Speaker 1: not yes, August fourteenth, August fifteen, so this year it 88 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:17,159 Speaker 1: happened to be a Sunday in a Monday. And you know, 89 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 1: so I asked her what stories people told her? I 90 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:22,799 Speaker 1: asked my mom. We went to an exhibit in Pakistan 91 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 1: that's kind of what spurred everything for partition for me, 92 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: and we talked about our experiences there. I had, like 93 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: my dad do some voice over for my grandpa because 94 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: the our connection wasn't the best. He's in Pakistan. We 95 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:39,480 Speaker 1: recorded it via WhatsApp on a pad track recorder and 96 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: it's it was like it's very loud over there. There's 97 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:45,599 Speaker 1: you know, birds chirping constantly. It was just like a 98 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 1: it was a situation. Um. But I just started reading 99 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 1: books and then I started talking to a lot of 100 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:54,280 Speaker 1: people and I ended up talking to an author named 101 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 1: Nisida Jari, whose book I referenced quite a bit in 102 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:02,159 Speaker 1: the second episode, which drops Monday eight twenty two. And 103 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:05,720 Speaker 1: you know, the first thing he told me was you 104 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:09,480 Speaker 1: can't cover everything. So once you understand that that's going 105 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: to be the case, and it's going to be a 106 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 1: lot easier, and it's true, like you can't cover everything. 107 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 1: And I kind of struggled a lot with the narrative 108 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 1: I wanted to tell because so many of the stories 109 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:22,600 Speaker 1: out there are very biased. There's a lot of you know, 110 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 1: like the great men in history stories which I don't 111 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,799 Speaker 1: care about, and I just wanted to tell the facts. 112 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 1: But I quickly discovered that's really hard because this is 113 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: my history, this is my story. This is something that 114 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 1: impacts my family for um, future generations, and my identity 115 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:45,720 Speaker 1: without a doubt. So I was like, let me kind 116 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 1: of do it with the lens of discovery. UM. And 117 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: I wanted to tell the stories that people don't really 118 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 1: hear about. So I didn't want to talk about like 119 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: meetings that happened in libraries and what ever between like 120 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:03,279 Speaker 1: all these politicians. I literally don't care about that. But 121 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about, um, the way women were treated. 122 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: It is thought that seventy to a hundred thousand women 123 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: were raped, abducted, murdered. I wanted to talk about I 124 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: wanted to talk to artists, and creatives who had kind 125 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: of like a reckoning with this history and then use 126 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 1: their work to teach people about it. So an artist 127 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 1: who reframes the narrative with her pieces and talks about 128 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: the actual people that affected a filmmaker, oral historians, uh, survivors. Um, 129 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: that's the stories that I wanted to tell. I didn't 130 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 1: want it to be um, something you would get like 131 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 1: on the History Channel, which is totally fine. That's great, 132 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:46,559 Speaker 1: there's an audience for that, but that just isn't something 133 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 1: that I wanted to do. You're not doing a whole 134 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 1: bunch of ancient aliens then. Now. I did watch an 135 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 1: episode of Doctor Who that talks about partition, and I 136 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 1: think they are like aliens or something in there. So 137 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 1: there is something thrown in there about some sci fi stuff. 138 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 1: Though I'm fascinated to see how Doctor Who handles partition. 139 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: I mean it was actually done really well. It was 140 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:15,559 Speaker 1: written by Yeah, it was written by South Asian person 141 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 1: and so that was like the first uh thing that 142 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 1: I saw in my research that really kind of showcase 143 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 1: like the emotion and and the things that people went through. 144 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: And I didn't see any British people besides like the 145 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 1: people that originally came on the mission or whatever. So 146 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 1: that was nice. Um. But yeah, like there there was 147 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 1: a sci fi element. I can't tell you what that 148 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: was about, but that aside, it was actually something that, 149 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 1: um that people told me about. When I mentioned partition, 150 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: They're like, oh, there's this episode of Doctor Who. So 151 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:51,959 Speaker 1: I've only seen that one episode, but I think it 152 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: in the in my research. It was the first thing 153 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:59,319 Speaker 1: where I was like, Okay, this actually tells a perspective 154 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 1: from the people of South Asia. Wow, let's get to 155 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 1: know it was written by a South Asian person. At 156 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 1: first I was like, I'm not even going to touch that. Yeah. 157 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:18,679 Speaker 1: Up next, Stephen Moffatt writes about apartheiz, So, I'm curious 158 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:22,599 Speaker 1: you mentioned not including like including some things but not 159 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 1: other things. What what like how did you decide what 160 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: to include and what not to include? Yeah, so in 161 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 1: a way you can say, like the actual history is 162 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 1: maybe the least important part I think of the podcast. 163 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: Like I talk about like events, like there's something called 164 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: direct Action Day that happened about a year before the 165 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 1: boundary line was announced, where Mohammad Ali Jinna, the future 166 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: founder of Pakistan, kind of called on Muslims to be 167 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:55,679 Speaker 1: to to kind of have demonstrations, but it was kind 168 00:09:55,679 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: of unclear what exactly that meant. And massive looting carnage 169 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 1: took place, and I talked about that and how that 170 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 1: was like a big catalyst for partition. But I didn't 171 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 1: want to like get into like this treaty and this 172 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 1: event and like this meeting and whatever, because that information 173 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 1: is out there if people want to know. And like 174 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 1: I had mentioned, that's not really the aspects um that 175 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 1: I took particular interest in. I wanted to talk about 176 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: women and survivors and just you know, I felt I 177 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: found it to be very common people who are my 178 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 1: age and I just turned thirty two. Um, I guess 179 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 1: millennials you could say, Um, their parents and family don't 180 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:41,199 Speaker 1: talk to them about it. So it's been really interesting 181 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 1: to talk to people who are my age, who are 182 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 1: older than me, who are younger than me have very 183 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 1: similar experiences and how they found out about this information. UM. 184 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: So those are the kind of things I wanted to 185 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 1: focus on because you know, a lot of our stories, 186 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 1: uh from minority communities, um, that are out there in 187 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 1: like mainstream media, are rarely told from our perspectives they're 188 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: told from somebody else, and so I wanted I wanted 189 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 1: this story to come from me and from other people 190 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:19,079 Speaker 1: who um have just different experiences with partition, whether they 191 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: lived through it, whether they're an oral historian, whether they 192 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: write a fictional novel about it to cope with their trauma. 193 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 1: Which I interviewed a woman who did do that. She 194 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:30,719 Speaker 1: was four years old when it happened, and she disassociated 195 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: herself a lot with partition until she wrote about until 196 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 1: she wrote about it in this fictionalized novel. UM. So 197 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 1: it's And I wanted to talk about what forms of 198 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 1: media were also out there, which is why I watched 199 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: that Doctor Who episode. I also watched Gandhi three hours 200 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 1: of my Life I'm never going to get back. Um terrible, 201 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 1: so not great. Um, you know I love Richard and 202 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 1: Borro like Durasser Park is great, but like this, this 203 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 1: wasn't it. This wasn't it. Um. So I wanted to 204 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:03,559 Speaker 1: I wanted to point people in that direction where if 205 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:06,719 Speaker 1: you actually wanted to dig deeper into this information, like 206 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:11,679 Speaker 1: here's where you should go, Like don't don't watch Gandhi, Um, 207 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: like don't watch I mean, I love the Crown, but 208 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 1: I mean, like, let's be real, like, you know, like 209 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 1: if they mentioned I think India once in the pilot episode, 210 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:24,440 Speaker 1: um where and it took place about three months after 211 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:28,599 Speaker 1: partition happened, and Prince Philip is getting married to Queen Elizabeth, 212 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 1: and um, what's his name? Winston Churchill is walking and 213 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 1: he sees Lord Mountbatten, who was tasked with the separation 214 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:42,200 Speaker 1: of India, who was also Prince Philip's uncle, and Winston 215 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 1: Churchill goes, oh, that's the man who gave India away. 216 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:48,680 Speaker 1: And I'm like, that's not really what happened, but okay, 217 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: and that's the only thing that they say. Um. But 218 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 1: I do love period jamas and I do love Corgis, 219 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:56,839 Speaker 1: which is one of the main reasons I watched The Crown. Um. 220 00:12:56,880 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: But yeah, so I want sorry one Pats the actually 221 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:07,319 Speaker 1: got whacked for the IRA at the seventies, right, yes Jesus, yes, yeah, 222 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 1: I actually didn't know that until I watched The Crown, so, uh, 223 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 1: you know, um, because again that wasn't really I wasn't 224 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 1: really looking into him and his history. I don't care, 225 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: but I ended up seeing it in the crowd. Um. Yeah, 226 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 1: so I just I really wanted to focus on South 227 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:29,680 Speaker 1: Asians and like our story and working through how real 228 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 1: generational trauma is and kind of reclaiming our narrative with 229 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: um just kind of the truth. And you know, something 230 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 1: that popped up when I was creating kind of getting 231 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:44,679 Speaker 1: deeper into the podcast was Miss Marvel. I knew it 232 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 1: was going to follow a Muslim woman, which I was like, great, 233 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 1: but I didn't know that they would talk about partition 234 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 1: and how that was like a major plot point. And 235 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 1: so people are starting to learn about the history because 236 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 1: of that show, which is amazing. UM. So if I 237 00:13:56,559 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: can kind of add on to that and expand uh 238 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 1: people's education, I think that's great. Something else I also 239 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 1: wanted to do was I want people to have empathy 240 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:10,440 Speaker 1: and sympathy for immigrants and refugees, especially ones that don't 241 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 1: look like them, um, because we come in all colors 242 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 1: and sizes, and you know, I think their response to 243 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 1: Ukraine Ukrainian refugees in the UK was great, but I 244 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: don't really think that same courtesy was extended to refugees 245 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 1: from Syria. And I think that's really important because I'm 246 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 1: an immigrant. It took quite a long time for me 247 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 1: to become a citizen twenty five years. So, um, and 248 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 1: it's very hard, and it's something that people don't know about, 249 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 1: and so I just kind of want I want people 250 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: to care about things that don't directly affect them, which 251 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 1: I think is very much like an American rooted thing. Um. 252 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 1: And so I really I mean, I don't think my 253 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 1: podcast is going to change that, but if I can, 254 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 1: but if people can look outside themselves, um with this, 255 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: I think that would be really great. Yeah, totally before 256 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 1: I forget and I want to make Daniel's day, let's 257 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: take a quick commercial break and we'll be right back. Okay, 258 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: and we're back. Um. One of the things I was wondering, 259 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: what do you actually think about the way that I 260 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 1: smartvil like did like talked about partition because I saw 261 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: a lot of I don't know, I saw a lot 262 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 1: of conflicting sort of arguments about it. Yeah, so I 263 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: liked it. Um. But I'm also I think when you're 264 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 1: our minority and you see something that has affected you 265 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 1: and your family or has oppressed you, you expect this 266 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 1: art form to talk about every single thing, you know, um, 267 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 1: because that is a burden that we bear as creative 268 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 1: artists of color, that if we don't talk about every 269 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 1: single thing that's the press of the community, then it's 270 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 1: not worth our time. It's kind of like the mantra 271 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 1: that we have UM. And for me, I'm like, this 272 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: show is six episodes, like what like, you know, you 273 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 1: need to understand that that is not something that that 274 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 1: they can encapsulate in there while talking about all these 275 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 1: other things. So I think it does a really good 276 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 1: job capturing emotion. UM. I feel a lot of times 277 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 1: you get the partition story from people who are um 278 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 1: who are currently in India. So it was nice to 279 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 1: see people from Pakistan, um like, and they're from Grati 280 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 1: just like I am. And I found it, you know, 281 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 1: like every episode just made me just crying more. I 282 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 1: am also very sensitive and so I would just um 283 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 1: because I felt it. You know. There was there was 284 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:05,919 Speaker 1: a particular scene where Kamala was talking to her her 285 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:10,439 Speaker 1: nanni which means grandmother, and her grandmother is like, my 286 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 1: passport says Pakistan, but my roots are in India. And 287 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:17,399 Speaker 1: I really felt that because I was born in Pakistan, 288 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 1: my parents were born in Pakistan, but all other generations 289 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:23,640 Speaker 1: were born in India, and that is a place because 290 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 1: of how tense the borders are between these countries. I 291 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:30,400 Speaker 1: will not get to visit for the foreseeable future. If 292 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 1: you were born in Pakistan, you are not allowed to 293 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:34,120 Speaker 1: go to India. If you were born in India, you're 294 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:37,479 Speaker 1: not allowed to go to Pakistan. And it's just crazy 295 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 1: because I'm like, well, that's where I came from in 296 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:45,920 Speaker 1: a sense, you know. Um, So for me, just because 297 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 1: like I said, I am a sensitive person. Like the emotion, 298 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 1: the you know, the people going on trains that you know, 299 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:56,159 Speaker 1: that is something that I talked about a lot in 300 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 1: my podcast. A lot of people experienced or read about. Um, 301 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 1: A lot of people were hoping to get on trains 302 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: and when they tried, those trains came into the stations, 303 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 1: but they were filled with dead bodies and not people 304 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 1: who are alive. And so I think it did a 305 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 1: good job capturing the emotion. But it's like you there's 306 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 1: just no way you can capture the complexity of that 307 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 1: event with that. Even with my podcast it's ten episodes, 308 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:22,920 Speaker 1: and like Nissagari had said earlier, you just can't cover everything, 309 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:24,879 Speaker 1: so you have to pick and choose what you want. 310 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:30,680 Speaker 1: And also like it's as an artist like for me, 311 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 1: for me, specifically, it's like I want to give you 312 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:36,959 Speaker 1: like the crumbs of something, and then I want you 313 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 1: to look into it more, right, Like I shouldn't have 314 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:44,120 Speaker 1: to force feed you information. I should keep you intrigued 315 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 1: enough for you don't want to look at this information 316 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 1: on your own, you know. So like that's how I 317 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 1: how I see it. But I am in a little 318 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:53,680 Speaker 1: bit of a different position because I work in film 319 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:56,880 Speaker 1: and TV, Like I programmed several film festivals and things 320 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 1: like that, so I'm almost also looking through that with 321 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:03,119 Speaker 1: that kind of I um, but like I can understand 322 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 1: people are like, oh, I wish they talked about this. 323 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:08,119 Speaker 1: I wish they talked about this, but you know, you know, 324 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 1: but me, I'm just like old six episodes. They have 325 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:13,239 Speaker 1: to do all this exposition, they have to do this, 326 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 1: that's just impossible. But people aren't thinking that way. But 327 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: I think it really captured the emotion and the trauma 328 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 1: of that event and how how um sad it is, 329 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:27,920 Speaker 1: you know, um, because it is sad to be like 330 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 1: I'll never get to see where my great grandparents lived 331 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:33,239 Speaker 1: or my grandparents because they were children, you know, at 332 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 1: least until they decide that's not the case anymore. Um, 333 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 1: but yeah, I can understand people's criticisms, but I think 334 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,880 Speaker 1: for me personally, I thought it did a really good job. 335 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:49,199 Speaker 1: And actually, uh, the woman who created the exhibit that 336 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 1: I saw in Pakistan that really spearheaded this whole thing 337 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 1: for me actually directed episodes four and five of Miss Marvel, 338 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 1: so which is really cool to see that. That was 339 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 1: another thing I wanted to ask about was like, what 340 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:04,199 Speaker 1: was the process of doing this, Like emotionally, I know 341 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:07,920 Speaker 1: I did a I wound up doing somewhat similar things 342 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 1: for a couple of episodes about World War Two, and 343 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:12,680 Speaker 1: like talking to my family about what it was like 344 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:14,399 Speaker 1: in China was just like and like just doing the 345 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: sort of our Cape of Reefers, which just like brutal, 346 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 1: and yeah, I want to know, like what that was 347 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 1: like for you and what that was like for like 348 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:23,360 Speaker 1: your family having to talk about it and yeah, yeah, 349 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 1: so it was really draining because you're just reading so 350 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 1: many awful things, like I read a number of different 351 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 1: books and you know, talking to all these people, and 352 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 1: I think for my grandfather, I think, like I don't, 353 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 1: I don't. He's not a very emotional person. And again 354 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:41,879 Speaker 1: I wasn't physically there with him when he was talking 355 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 1: to me, and I think it's like something that's for sure, 356 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:48,640 Speaker 1: like in the past for him. And he was fortunate 357 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 1: in the way that he came from an area that 358 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 1: did have violence, but it wasn't to the extent that 359 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 1: you of other people's accounts. Um. And but talking to 360 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:02,640 Speaker 1: survive vers was really hard. I actually went to San 361 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 1: Francisco to talk to someone specifically because they're very hard 362 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 1: of hearing, and so doing it virtually would have been 363 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 1: very impossible. And it was also it was also hard 364 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 1: because he was saying all these things and then he 365 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:18,160 Speaker 1: would tear up, and it's like where do you just 366 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:21,640 Speaker 1: listen to this person? And then where do you comfort them? 367 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 1: Is really hard because I don't want to interrupt, but 368 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 1: I don't want them to be like I don't care 369 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,920 Speaker 1: about what you're saying, like it's affecting me, you know. Um. 370 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 1: And that person spoke to me for two and a 371 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:33,680 Speaker 1: half hours, and I had yet to really listen to 372 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 1: his audio. I've just like listened to bits and pieces 373 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 1: just for like clarity purposes. UM. So that's gonna be 374 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: rough when that happens, and it's going to come up soon. Um. 375 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 1: But yeah, it was just really draining, and it's just 376 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 1: like like highlighting. It's like you know when you're reading 377 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 1: I've read all these books and you're highlighting things, but 378 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:51,920 Speaker 1: it's like you're going to highlight the whole book because 379 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 1: it's just there's just so many crazy things. And yeah, 380 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 1: it's just really sad. It's really dreaming. Like I had 381 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 1: mentioned writing the scripts and a Google doc and I'm like, 382 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:04,200 Speaker 1: here's just like twenty minutes of terror and like an 383 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:07,920 Speaker 1: a page Google doc that you have to say, um. 384 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 1: And that also brings up another point where even though 385 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:15,879 Speaker 1: this podcast is sad and it's not particularly uplifting in 386 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 1: certain ways, I did want to be myself and so 387 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 1: I try to add a little bit of lovity in there. 388 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 1: Um Like, there was an artist who um that I mentioned. 389 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 1: Her work name is Pertica Chodori. She had these really 390 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:33,679 Speaker 1: beautiful installations um of like female body parts, but they 391 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 1: ended up getting ruined in transportation, and so she digitized 392 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:41,399 Speaker 1: them and is and made n f T s and 393 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 1: so me trying to explain what an n f T 394 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:45,160 Speaker 1: is is just the most ridiculous thing in the world. 395 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:46,439 Speaker 1: So I was like, I'm not going to talk about it, 396 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 1: but it's like there's a little point of lovity in 397 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 1: there that we're talking about n f T s in 398 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 1: this podcast, you know. Um, but yeah, it's it was 399 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: it's still like a really dreaming process because I say 400 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:00,959 Speaker 1: this a lot, and people of interviewed say this, that 401 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,359 Speaker 1: partition isn't something that's in the past, is something that 402 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 1: is alive and breathing. And you know, Pritica said it 403 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,640 Speaker 1: in a really distinct way where she's like, it lives 404 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 1: in families and it really does. So like every day, 405 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:17,159 Speaker 1: I feel like I just kind of it's hard for 406 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 1: me not to get bogged down with all this information because, 407 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 1: like I said, I am a sensitive person, so well, 408 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,919 Speaker 1: I tend to hold things and carry things with me. Um. 409 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 1: But it's been a really rough process. But I think 410 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 1: what kind of makes it a little easier is like, well, 411 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:35,120 Speaker 1: these people's stories are getting out there. Um, people who 412 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 1: may not know about this are going to learn about 413 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,160 Speaker 1: it now, and maybe that inspires them to learn about 414 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 1: other events that they didn't learn in school. Like all 415 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:43,880 Speaker 1: of my education was done in Texas and that can 416 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 1: be another podcast within itself, because our education is something 417 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 1: to say the least, um, you know, So that's kind 418 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:54,399 Speaker 1: of the way I try to look at it, like 419 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:58,440 Speaker 1: it's really rough. And then I also, um, I love 420 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 1: reading and everything, so I'm just like, I'm going to 421 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,360 Speaker 1: read this like thirsty rom com to get me away 422 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 1: from like the horribleness of the work I'm doing every day. 423 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:28,639 Speaker 1: So definitely a little bit of balance too. I do 424 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 1: think it's interesting to hear you say that you're I'm 425 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 1: very sensitive as well and how you hold stuff in. 426 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:40,360 Speaker 1: I do think as people of color are families, especially 427 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 1: like immigrant families of people that have been through trauma. 428 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:46,439 Speaker 1: That's that's why that's why most people don't know about this, 429 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 1: because this intergenerational trauma is something that they've kept and 430 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: barely talked about, if at all. Um So I'm really 431 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 1: glad that like you went to San Francisco and that 432 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,040 Speaker 1: person was able to like release all of the this 433 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: emotion that they were holding probably for their whole life. 434 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 1: So so yeah, I do. I think, um, there are 435 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: many reasons why your podcast is important, but I think 436 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 1: even the chance that someone can like explore that not 437 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 1: trauma sounds a little bit more dramatic than I wanted to. 438 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,400 Speaker 1: But like the feelings behind what that means and their 439 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,680 Speaker 1: family history or even if you're not South Asian, it's 440 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:33,119 Speaker 1: important to note again something that doesn't affect you because 441 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:38,439 Speaker 1: the whole world really Yeah, just like understanding your history 442 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 1: and like where you come from. I have a friend 443 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:43,639 Speaker 1: who's Chinese, and she texted me she was just like, 444 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 1: now I kind of want to look into like my history, 445 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 1: and I'm like, that's great, Like that's what I you know, 446 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 1: I wanted if I wanted any kind of like actionable 447 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:55,640 Speaker 1: thing to happen, it's like that exact thing, looking into 448 00:25:55,680 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 1: your own history, looking into other people's histories. Totally. Wow. Um. 449 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,640 Speaker 1: I did say before we confirmed you as a guest 450 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:09,920 Speaker 1: that you're good at talking, and this confirmed that. Thank 451 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 1: you so much. You were the perfect podcast guest like 452 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:21,879 Speaker 1: this period. Um. But I really appreciate your time, and 453 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 1: I appreciate the both effort and like emotional energy that 454 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 1: goes into making a show like this because I can 455 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,160 Speaker 1: kind of relate when I talk about the Middle East stuff, 456 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:36,640 Speaker 1: like it's really really hard. So I appreciate your time, 457 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,639 Speaker 1: and I'm really excited for people to learn more about 458 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 1: the partition and what that means. Um, can you tell 459 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 1: the audience where they can find you, and the podcast 460 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,400 Speaker 1: obviously is where you can find it. But let's I'm 461 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:54,200 Speaker 1: going to hand it over to you. Here you go, okay. Um. 462 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 1: So Partition Podcast launched on augustive team you can find 463 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 1: it wherever you get your podcasts UM socially, the I 464 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 1: Heart Radio app. Um. You can find me on Instagram 465 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 1: and Twitter, Instagram at Nahazie's Twitter at Nahazie's thirteen. And 466 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:12,880 Speaker 1: you can find Partition on Twitter at pod and Partition 467 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:21,680 Speaker 1: Podcast on Instagram. Nice um on EA, you mentioned upcoming 468 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 1: project you want to do that's also about like a 469 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:28,120 Speaker 1: similar topic. Do you want to like explore what that is? Yeah? So, 470 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 1: um something that I really wanted to do. And this 471 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,399 Speaker 1: is another thing that we're kind of talking about of 472 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:39,200 Speaker 1: like people not talking about like everything, like encompassing everything 473 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 1: in like one uh story. So Um, something very similar 474 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:49,160 Speaker 1: to Partition happened in Ninete when East Pakislan became Bangladesh. 475 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,679 Speaker 1: Um and a lot of my mom's families from there. 476 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 1: My grandma UM and a lot of her family currently 477 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,879 Speaker 1: live there and it's again very similar to Partition. A 478 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 1: lot of violence, a lot of bloodshed, UM, And that story, 479 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 1: to me, UM deserves its own time and respect. And 480 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,199 Speaker 1: I remember when I first talked about partition, They're like, oh, 481 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 1: you're gonna talk about this, and I'm like, I want 482 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,359 Speaker 1: to mention it, but it is too big a story. 483 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,359 Speaker 1: Just just kind of throw into what I'm doing because 484 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,359 Speaker 1: it deserves way more than that. So that is another 485 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 1: story that I want to tell. And it actually celebrated 486 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:30,680 Speaker 1: its fiftie anniversary last year. UM And from my understanding, 487 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 1: it's there are no memorials in either India or Pakistan 488 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 1: that commemorates, not commemorates, but showcases like how partition was, 489 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 1: Like we don't you know, there isn't like a like 490 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 1: here all the people who died, or here's this, or 491 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 1: here's like the statue of a bird or I don't 492 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 1: know whatever like that that you know that people. There's 493 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 1: no like communal place of grief. And it is my 494 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 1: understand that Bangladesh really does have these things. I believe 495 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 1: there's a Liberation museum and statues and there is a 496 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 1: Partition Museum UM that was founded in seventeen, but it 497 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 1: is not a government sanction thing. It's privately owned and 498 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 1: again it with it being in India. UM, there's also 499 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 1: a lot of barriers, like it's not a place I 500 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 1: can visit, um, and so um, that is something I 501 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 1: really want to do. My mom is actually trying to 502 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 1: go to Bungladesh UM this year, and it's been a 503 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 1: little bit difficult, I think, trying to obtain her visa. 504 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 1: But I hope she gets to go soon and I 505 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 1: hope I get to go with her. But UM, yeah, 506 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 1: that's other stories that I want to tell because I 507 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 1: feel like partition is is starting to kind of people 508 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 1: are starting to understand that, but I feel like ninety 509 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 1: one is just not there at all. Um. It's I think, 510 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 1: something that people seem to just forget about, and it's 511 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 1: just crazy to think. I'm like, it's that's not that 512 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 1: long for our country to be around, like seventy five years, 513 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 1: like fifty years, that's not a long time. UM. So 514 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 1: it's just like really insane when you think about it 515 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 1: that way, and um, especially when you think of how 516 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 1: ancient these lands are and just how new these places are. UM. 517 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 1: So yeah, that's something I would definitely love to tell. UM. 518 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 1: I would love for my next project to be on 519 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 1: that UM, but that decision is not up to me. 520 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 1: So hopefully, um, hopefully, it'll work out. Yeah, I really 521 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 1: hope so too. UM. I do really appreciate, I'm sure 522 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 1: everyone else is, to the fact that you're talking about 523 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 1: things that are just glossed over or not even mentioned usually. UM, 524 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 1: I hate that, like it's usually our job to educate people. 525 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 1: But in the meantime, you're doing a fantastic job and 526 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 1: I can't wait to see the other projects you do. 527 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 1: But obviously listen to Partition Everybody first. UM, yeah, that's 528 00:30:54,480 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 1: the show.