WEBVTT - The Cocoanut Grove Fire

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production

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<v Speaker 1>of I Heart Radio. Hello, and welcome to the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Tracy Vie Wilson and I'm Holly Fry. We've gotten

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of requests over the years to do an

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<v Speaker 1>episode about the Coconut Grove nightclub fire, and I have

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<v Speaker 1>really really put off doing it because of all the

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<v Speaker 1>different types of disasters there are to research. For me,

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<v Speaker 1>the fires are the worst ones there. They're bad. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they're bad. We can talk about reasons why on Friday

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<v Speaker 1>and the behind the scenes. But the Coconut Grove fire

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<v Speaker 1>came up not long ago on our episode on Charles

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<v Speaker 1>Ponzi because his wife Rose worked there. She went to

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<v Speaker 1>work there after he had been deported back to Italy,

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<v Speaker 1>but she was not at work that night, so I

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<v Speaker 1>thought about moving it onto the list. Then after it

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<v Speaker 1>had come up, and as I was looking at it,

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<v Speaker 1>I realized this year is the fires eightieth anniversary. It

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<v Speaker 1>happened on November. This is still the deadliest nightclub fire

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<v Speaker 1>in history, and in terms of single building fires, it

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<v Speaker 1>is the second deadliest in United States history. The deadliest

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<v Speaker 1>was the Iroquois Theater fire in Chicago that happened on

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<v Speaker 1>December nineteen oh three, and we covered that fire on

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<v Speaker 1>this show on December eight. As we will discuss, though,

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<v Speaker 1>there are a lot of lessons from the Iroquois Theater

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<v Speaker 1>fire that had not been heated at Coconut Grove almost

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<v Speaker 1>forty years later. Coconut Grove, often known just as the Grove,

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<v Speaker 1>was at seventeen Piedmont Street in Boston, Massachusetts, with an

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<v Speaker 1>entrance set behind a trio of archways. It's theme may

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<v Speaker 1>have been inspired by the Coconut Grove nightclub at the

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<v Speaker 1>Ambassador Hotel on Wilshire Boulevard in Los Angeles. Boston's Coconut

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<v Speaker 1>Grove had opened in in what had previously been a

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<v Speaker 1>garage and warehouse. Over time, it had been built on

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<v Speaker 1>and expanded and remodeled and by The club had this

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<v Speaker 1>kind of odd, almost zigzag shape. The ground floor contained

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<v Speaker 1>the caricature bar as well as a full service restaurant.

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<v Speaker 1>The restaurant had a central dance floor with tables and

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<v Speaker 1>chairs on three sides of it and an orchestra stage

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<v Speaker 1>on the fourth. This area had a retractable roof that

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<v Speaker 1>could be opened in good weather, which I think sounds

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<v Speaker 1>very nice. This was November, though, so it was closed

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<v Speaker 1>the night of the fire. The ground floor also had

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<v Speaker 1>a newly opened lounge called the Broadway Lounge also just

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<v Speaker 1>called the New Lounge, that also had a bar in it.

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<v Speaker 1>There were also coat check rooms, restrooms, dressing rooms for

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<v Speaker 1>the entertainer, is, a telephone room, and a service bar.

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<v Speaker 1>So there was a lot of stuff packed into this

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<v Speaker 1>relatively small kind of zigzag shaped space. The basement of

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<v Speaker 1>the grove had only one public space, the Melody Lounge.

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<v Speaker 1>The rest of the basement house the furnace room, the kitchens,

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<v Speaker 1>with walking, cold storage and other storage spaces on both floors.

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<v Speaker 1>The club was decorated with lighted artificial palm trees, satiny

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<v Speaker 1>fabric draped from the ceiling and walls of stairs, and

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<v Speaker 1>the Melody Lounge had a satin covered ceiling and walls

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<v Speaker 1>covered in ratan bamboo and synthetic leather. Previously, the grove

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<v Speaker 1>had been owned by mob boss Charles Solomon, who was

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<v Speaker 1>known as King. Solomon was murdered at Boston's Cotton Club

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<v Speaker 1>in ninety three, and at that point his wife inherited

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<v Speaker 1>the grove. She gave it to their lawyer, Barnett Wolansky,

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<v Speaker 1>known as Barney in lieu of legal fees. When Solomon

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<v Speaker 1>owned it, the grove had kind of a seedy reputation

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<v Speaker 1>as a prohibition earirest speak easy but well Landski tried

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<v Speaker 1>to transform it into a more glamorous place that people

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<v Speaker 1>would want to come for dinner, drinks, dancing, and entertainment.

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<v Speaker 1>On the night of November, the grove was busy. It

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<v Speaker 1>was the Saturday after Thanksgiving. There had been a big

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<v Speaker 1>college football game earlier in the day between rivals Boston

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<v Speaker 1>College and Holy Cross College. Boston College was at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of an undefeated season and everyone expected them to

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<v Speaker 1>win and then be invited to play in the Sugar Bowl.

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<v Speaker 1>There was reportedly even a committee on hand to deliver

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<v Speaker 1>that invitation after the game, but surprise, Boston College lost

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<v Speaker 1>fifty five to twelve. That was an enormous upset. A

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<v Speaker 1>formal celebration had been planned at the grove, which was

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<v Speaker 1>canceled because of that loss, but a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>made their way there after the game anyway. A party

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<v Speaker 1>that went on as planned that night was in honor

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<v Speaker 1>of actor Buck Jones. Jones was known for his work

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<v Speaker 1>in westerns. He had acting credits and more than a

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and fifty films, almost all of them Westerns. He

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<v Speaker 1>was on a tour promoting war bonds, and about thirty

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<v Speaker 1>people were at his party. A lot of them were

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<v Speaker 1>affiliated with Monogram Theater Group. Since this happened as the

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<v Speaker 1>United States was involved in World War Two, there were

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<v Speaker 1>also a lot of servicemen there. At about ten fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>that night, the grove was absolutely packed. The club's license

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<v Speaker 1>applications with the City of Boston specified that it had

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<v Speaker 1>four hundred chairs and thirty stools, although sources contradict about

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<v Speaker 1>what the club's maximum occupancy was. There are sources that

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<v Speaker 1>list both four hundred sixty and six hundred people. Regardless,

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<v Speaker 1>it's estimated that there were about a thousand people in

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<v Speaker 1>the building that night, so roughly twice the planned number. Downstairs,

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<v Speaker 1>in a corner of the mill the lounge, someone loosened

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<v Speaker 1>a light bulb in one of the artificial palm trees.

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<v Speaker 1>That corner was already pretty dimly lit, but this person

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<v Speaker 1>apparently wanted some more privacy with his date. The bartender

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<v Speaker 1>noticed this and told a bus boy to go fix

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<v Speaker 1>the bulb. Without that bulblet, it was too dark in

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<v Speaker 1>the corner to see, so the bus boy lit a match,

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<v Speaker 1>and then once he was done, he extinguished the match,

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<v Speaker 1>stomping it out on the floor with his foot. Very

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<v Speaker 1>soon after this, people noticed sparks in the vicinity of

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<v Speaker 1>this palm tree near the ceiling, but for a moment

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<v Speaker 1>there was not an obvious flame. But then the fire

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<v Speaker 1>spread very rapidly along the underside of the fabric draped

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<v Speaker 1>below the ceiling. It took somewhere between two and four

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<v Speaker 1>minutes for a very hot, fast moving fire to engulf

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<v Speaker 1>the melody lounge. The stairway out of the lounge, which

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<v Speaker 1>was narrow and steep, acted like a chimney, drawing the

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<v Speaker 1>fire and the heat up to the ground floor of

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<v Speaker 1>the building, where it burst into the foyer. The foyer

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<v Speaker 1>had a high, arched ceiling, and it similarly acted like

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<v Speaker 1>a chimney and pulled the fire into the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>the ground floor. The fabric draped walls and ceiling quickly

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<v Speaker 1>caught fire. Within about five minutes, the fire had moved

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<v Speaker 1>through the ground floor restaurant and into the New Broadway lounge.

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<v Speaker 1>When people noticed the flames, they panicked, and that panic

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<v Speaker 1>became much worse when the lights went out Just minutes

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<v Speaker 1>after the fire started, there were no emergency lights, and

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<v Speaker 1>the exits were not marked. Even if they had been.

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<v Speaker 1>Many of the doors were locked. People overturned tables and

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<v Speaker 1>punched and shoved one another as they fought to get

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<v Speaker 1>to an exit. And the exit the vast majority of

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<v Speaker 1>people were pushing for was the revolving door that they

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<v Speaker 1>used to enter the building that was quickly jammed with bodies.

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<v Speaker 1>As the fire burned through the oxygen and the melody lounge,

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<v Speaker 1>it left very hot, flammable gases that burst into flame

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<v Speaker 1>again when they got to the top of the stairs,

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<v Speaker 1>where there was more fresh air, and that meant people

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<v Speaker 1>who didn't make it up the stairs ahead of the

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<v Speaker 1>fire found those stairs blocked by flames. The same was

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<v Speaker 1>true for the buildings working doors to the outside. The

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<v Speaker 1>fire surged as it came into contact with the fresh air.

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<v Speaker 1>This included surging around the sides of the revolving door,

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<v Speaker 1>so the doors that were not locked became totally impassable.

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<v Speaker 1>They were blocked by bursts of flame and by bodies

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<v Speaker 1>stacked on top of one another. Together, all of this

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<v Speaker 1>was disastrous. Four hundred two people died. Official lists include

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<v Speaker 1>four nine names. One person who died in the hospital

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<v Speaker 1>is not included for reasons that are unclear. Another person

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<v Speaker 1>survived the fire but lost his wife, and he took

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<v Speaker 1>his own life at the hospital. There were also one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred sixties x reported injuries, but those are only the

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<v Speaker 1>people who were taken to the hospital. With an estimated

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<v Speaker 1>one thousand people in the building that night, that means

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<v Speaker 1>about half of the people who were there died. Only

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<v Speaker 1>one in four made it out without an injury bad

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<v Speaker 1>enough to send them to the hospital. Most of the

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<v Speaker 1>deaths were from burns, smoke annilation, or carbon monoxide poisoning,

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<v Speaker 1>but there were also deaths from crushing injuries or other

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<v Speaker 1>injuries sustained while trying to escape. We're going to take

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<v Speaker 1>a quick sponsor break, and then we'll talk about efforts

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<v Speaker 1>to put out the fire and the rescue efforts. The

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<v Speaker 1>Coconut Grove fire happened at a moment when Boston's fire

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<v Speaker 1>department and other emergency services were simultaneously reeling and also

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<v Speaker 1>well prepared for such an emergency. On November, less than

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<v Speaker 1>two weeks before the Coconut Grove fire, six firefighters had

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<v Speaker 1>been killed and about fifty others trapped or injured. After

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<v Speaker 1>a wall collapsed. The restaurant fire they had been fighting

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<v Speaker 1>had been brought under control, and the wall collapsed after

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<v Speaker 1>that part was basically finished. Then, the weekend before the

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<v Speaker 1>Coconut Grove fire, Boston had also conducted a civil defense drill.

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<v Speaker 1>This was a drill that simulated a blitzkrieg like attack

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<v Speaker 1>on the city with mass casualties. So while the fire

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<v Speaker 1>department and other people who had responded to that fire

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<v Speaker 1>were still really recovering from this earlier disaster, thousands of

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<v Speaker 1>people had also just practiced exactly what to do. Because

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<v Speaker 1>Boston is a major city on the US eastern Seaboard,

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<v Speaker 1>officials had been preparing for the possibility of an enemy attack.

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<v Speaker 1>In addition to the civil defense drill, area hospitals had

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<v Speaker 1>started establishing blood banks and stockpiling blood and plasma. Blood

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<v Speaker 1>banks were really a brand new innovation at this point.

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<v Speaker 1>That's something else that has been on Tracy's list for

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<v Speaker 1>a bit, so expect an episode on that fairly soon

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<v Speaker 1>as well. I am working on it right now. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>at about ten fift PM on the night of the fire,

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<v Speaker 1>just as it was getting started in the Melody Lounge,

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<v Speaker 1>the Boston Fire Department responded to a signal from a

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<v Speaker 1>fire alarm box at the corner of Stewart and Carver Streets.

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<v Speaker 1>Carver Street is Charles Street today. M turned out to

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<v Speaker 1>be a vehicle fire, which they extinguished, but then firefighters

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<v Speaker 1>heard a commotion and noticed smoke coming from the direction

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<v Speaker 1>of coconut growth, which was not far away. As the

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<v Speaker 1>firefighters moved to investigate, they also ran into bystanders who

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<v Speaker 1>were calling for help. So, by total coincidence, the Boston

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<v Speaker 1>Fire Department was already there on the scene working to

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<v Speaker 1>bring the fire under control. Within minutes of its starting,

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<v Speaker 1>another bystander pulled the alarm at another fire department call box,

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<v Speaker 1>and at ten twenty three, roughly eight minutes after the

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<v Speaker 1>fire started, the fire chief on the scene ordered a

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<v Speaker 1>third alarm to be called. A fourth alarm followed almost

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<v Speaker 1>immediately at eleven o two. This became a five alarm fire.

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<v Speaker 1>Over that period, twenty five engine companies, five ladder companies,

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<v Speaker 1>a water tower, and a rescue company had all arrived,

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<v Speaker 1>along with other emergency responders. Other people soon on the

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<v Speaker 1>scene included Boston Mayor Maurice J. Tobin, the Fire Commissioner,

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<v Speaker 1>the Building Commissioner, the Police Commissioner and the Superintendent of Police,

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<v Speaker 1>the State Fire Marshal, Boston's acting Commissioner of Public Safety,

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<v Speaker 1>and the director of the Boston Committee on Public Safety

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<v Speaker 1>were all there as well. Civilian defense units arrived, as

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<v Speaker 1>well as people from the Red Cross and the Salvation Army.

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<v Speaker 1>The military was involved in the response as well. A

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<v Speaker 1>call went out to Boston Navy Yard at about ten pm,

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<v Speaker 1>and members of the Navy Army, Coast Guard, National Guard,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Naval Hospital in Chelsea, Massachusetts were all involved

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<v Speaker 1>in the response. And of course there were also many

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<v Speaker 1>civilians who came and tried to help, and we're not

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<v Speaker 1>affiliated with any specific group. By coincidence, the club's owner,

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<v Speaker 1>Barney Wolanski, was not present. He was at Massachusetts General

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<v Speaker 1>Hospital recovering from a heart attack he had experienced days before. Tragically,

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<v Speaker 1>it really did not matter how quickly the fire department

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<v Speaker 1>or any of these other responders got there. The fire

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<v Speaker 1>had just been much faster and people were already dead

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<v Speaker 1>and dying. In the words of Fire Commissioner William Arthur

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<v Speaker 1>Riley's official report quote, within two to five minutes of

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<v Speaker 1>the first appearance of the fire, most of the possible exits,

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<v Speaker 1>including all exits normally open to the public, were useless.

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<v Speaker 1>Pouring of fire through such exits made it impossible for

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<v Speaker 1>humans to pass simultaneously through these exits safely. In the

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<v Speaker 1>course of such pouring, the mass of burning gaseous material

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<v Speaker 1>appears to have been depressed from its high elevation within

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<v Speaker 1>the premises in order to pass through the exits. The

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<v Speaker 1>finding of bodies piled up at many of the exits

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<v Speaker 1>is attributable to this fact. These persons, in attempting to

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<v Speaker 1>pass through the exits, were overcome by the great heat

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<v Speaker 1>of the gaseous material pouring through them. At the same time,

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<v Speaker 1>to the same cause must be set down the bodies

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<v Speaker 1>found in the passageway in the corridor at the head

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<v Speaker 1>of the stairway leading from the melody Lounge. In pouring

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<v Speaker 1>through these low seed linked passageways, the mass of gaseous

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<v Speaker 1>material passed so close to such persons as to overcome them.

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<v Speaker 1>Most of the people who survived the fire had managed

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<v Speaker 1>to get out of the building before the flames reached

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<v Speaker 1>the doorways. A few people made it up to the roof.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of them jumped down onto the roofs of parked

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<v Speaker 1>cars below. While others found a adder, although this ladder

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't long enough to reach to the ground from the roof,

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<v Speaker 1>so the people on the roof were trying to hold

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<v Speaker 1>it up for people to climb down as far as

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<v Speaker 1>they could and then dropped to the ground from the

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<v Speaker 1>bottom of it. Once firefighters spotted people on the roof,

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<v Speaker 1>they moved in to help bring them down. A few

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<v Speaker 1>people got out through windows, but most of the windows

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<v Speaker 1>were glass block windows that just could not be opened

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<v Speaker 1>or broken. Coconut Grove employees and entertainers who knew the

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<v Speaker 1>layout of the building made their way out through the

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<v Speaker 1>kitchen or other non public areas, and some customers did

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<v Speaker 1>manage to follow them out. A few people survived by

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<v Speaker 1>hiding in one of the walk in refrigerators. Some in

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<v Speaker 1>the melody lounge survived by simply covering their faces with

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<v Speaker 1>a wet cloth and lying on the floor below the

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<v Speaker 1>flames until the fire was over and rescuers could get

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<v Speaker 1>into the building. Even though the city of Boston had

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<v Speaker 1>just been through a big drill about exactly such an

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<v Speaker 1>occurrence for spawning to a catastrophe of this size was

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<v Speaker 1>still really challenging. Many of the streets around the club

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<v Speaker 1>were small, Some of them were paved with cobblestones, and

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<v Speaker 1>they quickly became jammed with emergency vehicles and people, including bystanders,

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<v Speaker 1>people who needed emergency medical care, and the bodies of

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<v Speaker 1>people who had died. They're also simply were not enough

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<v Speaker 1>ambulances to carry so many people to hospitals. People were

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<v Speaker 1>transported to the hospital in delivery trucks, taxi cabs, basically

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<v Speaker 1>any other vehicle that could be used. Most of the

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<v Speaker 1>victims were taken to one of two hospitals, Boston City

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<v Speaker 1>Hospital and Massachusetts General Hospital. Boston City Hospital received three

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<v Speaker 1>hundred victims of the fire over the course of only

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<v Speaker 1>an hour. Rescuers started sending more people to m g

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<v Speaker 1>H when it became clear that Boston City Hospital was overwhelmed,

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<v Speaker 1>and MGH received a hundred and fourteen people over the

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<v Speaker 1>course of about two hours. Much smaller numbers of people

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<v Speaker 1>were sent to hospitals elsewhere in Boston and in neighboring cities,

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<v Speaker 1>including Cambridge and Malden. At many of the hospitals, patients

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<v Speaker 1>started arriving around a shift change that meant that extra

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<v Speaker 1>people were already on hand, but the hospital still needed

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<v Speaker 1>help from other medical personnel all over the area beyond

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<v Speaker 1>the sheer numbers of patients. One of the challenges that

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<v Speaker 1>the hospitals faced was that the ratio of injured and

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<v Speaker 1>dead was very different from most major fires and other disasters. Often,

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<v Speaker 1>far more people are injured than are killed, but in

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<v Speaker 1>the Coconut Grove fire, far more people were killed than

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<v Speaker 1>were injured. The hospitals were receiving so many people who

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<v Speaker 1>were dead by the time they arrived, or who died

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<v Speaker 1>very shortly after arriving, that it created delays in treating

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<v Speaker 1>the people who were still living, whose injuries weren't fatal,

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<v Speaker 1>but who really did need to be treated as quickly

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<v Speaker 1>as possible. Eventually, a temporary morgue was set up in

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<v Speaker 1>a parking deck across the street from the grove to

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<v Speaker 1>try to reduce the number of dead who wound up

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<v Speaker 1>at the hospitals, but in a few cases, people who

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<v Speaker 1>were taken to the temporary morgue turned out to still

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<v Speaker 1>be alive. In many disasters like these, it takes a

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<v Speaker 1>long time to get a final death count, but in

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<v Speaker 1>the case of the Coconut Grove fire, that was established

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<v Speaker 1>very quickly, less than twelve hours after the fire, the

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<v Speaker 1>known death toll had already passed four hundred. What took

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<v Speaker 1>a lot longer was identifying the bodies. Many people had

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<v Speaker 1>died of asphyxiation or smoke in elation, and their clothing

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<v Speaker 1>was mostly intact, so anyone carrying their i d In

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<v Speaker 1>a wallet or in their pockets definitely identified fairly quickly,

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<v Speaker 1>But most people who had carried their i d In

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<v Speaker 1>a purse or in a handbag had lost it in

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<v Speaker 1>the scramble to escape, so in general, many women's bodies

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<v Speaker 1>took much longer to identify, especially before a responders set

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<v Speaker 1>up a centralized information hub. This led to problems at

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<v Speaker 1>the hospitals as people desperately tried to get information about

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<v Speaker 1>missing loved ones who had not yet been identified. The

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<v Speaker 1>people killed as a result of the fire included Buck Jones,

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<v Speaker 1>who died in the hospital two days later. Only one

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<v Speaker 1>of the people who had been at his party escaped uninjured,

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<v Speaker 1>and more than half died. Fifty one servicemen and two

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<v Speaker 1>members of the Women's Army Corps were killed, and another

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<v Speaker 1>twenty seven servicemen were injured. This was so many that

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<v Speaker 1>it raised suspicions that this had been an intentional act

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<v Speaker 1>of wartime sabotage, and that prompted the First Naval District

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<v Speaker 1>to conduct its own investigation into the fire. For a while,

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<v Speaker 1>this fire displaced World War Two on the front page

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<v Speaker 1>of Boston's newspapers and some of the newspapers in the region.

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<v Speaker 1>After another quick sponsor break, we're going to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>investigations into the fire's cause and its aftermath and some

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<v Speaker 1>of the advances that came about in the wake of

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<v Speaker 1>the fire. Like we said at the top of the show,

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<v Speaker 1>we're coming up on the eightieth anniversary of the Coconut

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<v Speaker 1>Grove fire, but we still don't know exactly how it

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<v Speaker 1>started or why it burned the way that it did.

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<v Speaker 1>It was an extremely hot and fast moving, deadly fire,

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<v Speaker 1>while also leaving sections of carpeting and decor and some

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<v Speaker 1>of the furniture essentially untouched. But immediately after the fire,

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<v Speaker 1>news reports in Boston placed the blame on one specific

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<v Speaker 1>person who still often comes up today, and that's the

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<v Speaker 1>bus boy who had let the match. That was Stanley Tomaschowski,

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<v Speaker 1>who was only sixteen. Stanley was an honors student at

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<v Speaker 1>Roxbury Middle School for Boys. His mother was seriously ill

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<v Speaker 1>and he was supplementing his father's in as a janitor

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<v Speaker 1>by working at the grove on busy weekends. While it

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<v Speaker 1>is clear that he did light a match, it is

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<v Speaker 1>not at all clear that that match started the fire.

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<v Speaker 1>This was an arrow when smoking indoors was a lot

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<v Speaker 1>more common, and businesses, including Coconut Grove, routinely handed out

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<v Speaker 1>matchbooks to customers, so this certainly was not the only

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<v Speaker 1>match lit in the lounge that night. Investigations also reveal

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of problems with the building's electrical wiring, and

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<v Speaker 1>its most recent electrical work had not been done by

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<v Speaker 1>a licensed electrician. It's possible that the act of loosening

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<v Speaker 1>and tightening that lightbulb had led to a spark that

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<v Speaker 1>ignited the fire, or that a spark came from one

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<v Speaker 1>of the blower units used to heat the lounge, or

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<v Speaker 1>some other source. Entirely. Boston Fire Commissioner William Arthur Riley

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<v Speaker 1>cleared Stanley of any blame in his official report, writing quote,

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<v Speaker 1>after a careful study of all the evidence, and in

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<v Speaker 1>an analysis of all the facts presented before me, I

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<v Speaker 1>am unable to find the conduct of this boy was

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<v Speaker 1>the cause of the fire. State Fire Marshal Stephen C.

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<v Speaker 1>Garrity came to the same conclusion quoted in is saying quote,

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<v Speaker 1>it is clear to me that he did not ignite

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<v Speaker 1>the palm tree in the Melody Lounge. The official report

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<v Speaker 1>on the fire described it as being of unknown origin,

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<v Speaker 1>but early news reports described Stanley as having unquestionably started

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<v Speaker 1>the fire, even though friends, teachers, and others came to

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<v Speaker 1>his defense, and later news reports walked this back. Stanley

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<v Speaker 1>and his family had to stay in a hotel under

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<v Speaker 1>police protection for months, and he continued to deal with

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<v Speaker 1>things like harassing phone calls and threats about it for

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of his life. He died in Even if

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<v Speaker 1>Stanley's match is what started the fire, he the bartender,

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<v Speaker 1>and other employees had immediately tried to extinguish it, and

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<v Speaker 1>none of them had anything to do with the factors

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<v Speaker 1>that made this fire so deadly. It's still not clear

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<v Speaker 1>at all exactly why it burned so hot and so fast.

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<v Speaker 1>One possibility is that there was a methyl chloride leak

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<v Speaker 1>from the club's air conditioners. Methyl chloride, also called chloro methane,

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<v Speaker 1>is a flammable gas that was used as a refrigerant.

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<v Speaker 1>Another possibility is that the asbestos tiles in the ceilings

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<v Speaker 1>had been held down with a flammable glue. A third

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<v Speaker 1>possibility is that there was just a lot of alcohol

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<v Speaker 1>present and a lot of flammable material had been used

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<v Speaker 1>as part of the furnishings and the decor. The design

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<v Speaker 1>of the building certainly played a role, with parts of

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<v Speaker 1>it essentially acting as chimneys. Vents over stages to allow

0:23:51.000 --> 0:23:53.920
<v Speaker 1>fires to escape upward and out of the building were

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<v Speaker 1>required by law, but they were not in place at

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<v Speaker 1>Coconut Grove. But one of the most critical actors and

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<v Speaker 1>the fires deadliness was the building's exits. The building had

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<v Speaker 1>six exits on the ground floor and three in the basement,

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<v Speaker 1>but out of these nine exits, only three of them

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<v Speaker 1>could be opened by the public. One door was equipped

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<v Speaker 1>with a panic bar that should have opened it to

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<v Speaker 1>the outside if somebody pressed on the bar, but that

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<v Speaker 1>bar had been disabled with a bolt. According to some sources,

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<v Speaker 1>the door was actually bolted shut. Into places like exactly

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<v Speaker 1>how this door was shut. There's a couple of different

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<v Speaker 1>accounts of a door out of the Broadway Lounge opened inwards,

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<v Speaker 1>so while some people were able to get out of

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<v Speaker 1>it at first, once it was shut, people were jammed

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<v Speaker 1>up against it and they couldn't get it open again.

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<v Speaker 1>One door had been bricked completely over. A lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people concluded that Barney Willlanski had locked and covered over

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<v Speaker 1>the doors to keep people from leaving without paying their bill,

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<v Speaker 1>although at least some of this might have gone back

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<v Speaker 1>to the nightclubs earlier time as a speakeasy, and the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that none of the exits were marked meant that

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<v Speaker 1>most people tried to escape by going out the way

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<v Speaker 1>they came in. As we said, that was through those

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<v Speaker 1>revolving doors onto Piedmont Street. Revolving doors were invented in

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<v Speaker 1>the eighteen eighties, and they're really useful for energy efficiency

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<v Speaker 1>and for cutting down on street noise inside a building,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was obvious from the beginning that they could

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<v Speaker 1>become blocked in an emergency like a fire. The National

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<v Speaker 1>Fire Protection Association already recommended that revolving doors be flanked

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<v Speaker 1>on either side with standard hinged doors, but at Coconut

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<v Speaker 1>Grove they were not, and the immediate aftermath of the fire,

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<v Speaker 1>all of Boston's nightclubs were closed for a week. The

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<v Speaker 1>use of revolving doors was temporarily banned. With revolving doors

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<v Speaker 1>removed from Boston City Hall just days after the fire.

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<v Speaker 1>Once the ban on revolving doors was lifted, they were

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<v Speaker 1>required to be installed with adjacent hinged doors, just the

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<v Speaker 1>configuration you usually see today. It also became clear that

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<v Speaker 1>this was not simply an issue of needing new and

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<v Speaker 1>better laws or fire codes, but that existing laws and

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<v Speaker 1>codes were not being enforced. Some of the exact same

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<v Speaker 1>problems at Coconut Grove had contributed to earlier fires. As

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<v Speaker 1>we said at the top of the show, the deadliest

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<v Speaker 1>single building fire in US history was the Iroquois Theater fire,

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<v Speaker 1>almost forty years before, and in many ways these fires

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<v Speaker 1>were extremely similar. Both buildings lacked emergency lighting, had exits

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<v Speaker 1>that were obscured and locked or that patrons couldn't get open,

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<v Speaker 1>lacked required sealing, ventilation over the stages, just on and on.

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<v Speaker 1>In both fires, rescuers had to remove piles of bodies

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<v Speaker 1>that were blocking doorways before they could get through them

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<v Speaker 1>to the people inside. Just a couple of days after

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<v Speaker 1>the Coconut Grow fire, Robert Moulton, technical secretary of the

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<v Speaker 1>National Fire Protection Association, was quoted in a press release

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<v Speaker 1>is saying, quote the Coconut Grove nightclub tragedy is clearly

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<v Speaker 1>due to gross violation of several fundamental principles of fire safety,

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<v Speaker 1>which had been demonstrated by years of experience in other fires,

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<v Speaker 1>and which should be known to everybody. In light of

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<v Speaker 1>all of this, people were outraged to learn that a

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<v Speaker 1>Boston fire captain had inspected Coconut Grove less than two

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<v Speaker 1>weeks before the fire and had found it to be safe.

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<v Speaker 1>Another source of outrage was rumors that Barney Wolanski had

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<v Speaker 1>bragged that he didn't need to follow the fire code

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<v Speaker 1>because the mayor was a friend of his. Mayor Tobin

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<v Speaker 1>denied that Welanski was getting any kind of special privileges,

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<v Speaker 1>but people really doubted that he would face any kind

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<v Speaker 1>of consequences for the fire. Welanski was Jewish, and a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of discussion about how much he was to blame

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<v Speaker 1>was also threaded through with anti semitism. A grand jury

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<v Speaker 1>indicted ten people on very as charges connected to the fire.

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<v Speaker 1>Fire Department Inspector Lieutenant Frank J. Lenney for neglect of

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<v Speaker 1>duty and as an accessory after the fact, Captain Joseph

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<v Speaker 1>Bucha Gross for neglecting to enforce fire laws, a designer

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<v Speaker 1>contractor and foreman, who had all worked on the nightclub,

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<v Speaker 1>were all indicted for conspiracy to violate building laws. Boston

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<v Speaker 1>City building inspector Theodore el Dratcher was indicted for failing

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<v Speaker 1>to report building law violations, including lack of sufficient exits,

0:28:32.960 --> 0:28:35.600
<v Speaker 1>and Barney Willanski and his brother James, who was in

0:28:35.720 --> 0:28:38.440
<v Speaker 1>charge of the club that night, were indicted for both

0:28:38.480 --> 0:28:43.160
<v Speaker 1>manslaughter and conspiracy to violate the building laws. But of

0:28:43.200 --> 0:28:47.400
<v Speaker 1>all these indictments, only Willanski was convicted. He was convicted

0:28:47.440 --> 0:28:51.040
<v Speaker 1>of nineteen counts of manslaughter and sentence to twelve to

0:28:51.120 --> 0:28:55.240
<v Speaker 1>fifteen years in prison. It was technically for each count

0:28:55.240 --> 0:28:57.000
<v Speaker 1>he had been convicted on, but they were going to

0:28:57.080 --> 0:29:02.120
<v Speaker 1>be served concurrently this trial. Commonwealth versus Welansky also said

0:29:02.120 --> 0:29:05.040
<v Speaker 1>a precedent that a person didn't have to be actively

0:29:05.160 --> 0:29:09.720
<v Speaker 1>behaving in a reckless or dangerous way, like personally starting

0:29:09.720 --> 0:29:14.400
<v Speaker 1>a fire to be considered guilty of manslaughter. Disregarding safety

0:29:14.440 --> 0:29:17.200
<v Speaker 1>standards that led to people's death or a failure to

0:29:17.280 --> 0:29:22.080
<v Speaker 1>act was enough. Wellanski served about four years of his sentence.

0:29:22.360 --> 0:29:25.560
<v Speaker 1>He was pardoned by Maurice Tobin, who had become governor

0:29:25.600 --> 0:29:30.560
<v Speaker 1>in Massachusetts. After developing terminal cancer, Wellansky died about nine

0:29:30.640 --> 0:29:34.400
<v Speaker 1>weeks after being released. Civil suits had been filed against

0:29:34.520 --> 0:29:37.760
<v Speaker 1>him after the fire, but he had almost no assets

0:29:37.800 --> 0:29:40.520
<v Speaker 1>to pay it with, so there was very little compensation

0:29:40.560 --> 0:29:44.560
<v Speaker 1>to survivors and the families of people who died. The

0:29:44.640 --> 0:29:48.600
<v Speaker 1>fire Commissioner's report made a series of recommendations to prevent

0:29:48.760 --> 0:29:54.680
<v Speaker 1>similar future tragedies. They included requiring automatic sprinklers, banning the

0:29:54.800 --> 0:29:58.400
<v Speaker 1>use of basements as places of assembly unless those basements

0:29:58.440 --> 0:30:03.760
<v Speaker 1>met specific requirement for safe exits, requiring aisle spaces around

0:30:03.800 --> 0:30:06.680
<v Speaker 1>restaurant tables which needed to be secured to the floor

0:30:06.800 --> 0:30:09.720
<v Speaker 1>so that they couldn't be overturned and become an obstacle

0:30:09.800 --> 0:30:14.680
<v Speaker 1>in an emergency, requiring illuminated exit signs and panic locks

0:30:14.720 --> 0:30:19.120
<v Speaker 1>at all doors, Banning decor that contained peroxyl in, which

0:30:19.160 --> 0:30:23.280
<v Speaker 1>is a flammable form of cellulose, and requiring basement rooms

0:30:23.320 --> 0:30:25.960
<v Speaker 1>that were used as places of assembly to have windows

0:30:26.000 --> 0:30:29.560
<v Speaker 1>that could open up automatically and draw off flames and

0:30:29.680 --> 0:30:33.240
<v Speaker 1>gases in the event of a fire. The National Fire

0:30:33.280 --> 0:30:37.200
<v Speaker 1>Protection Association also revised its safety codes in the wake

0:30:37.280 --> 0:30:40.880
<v Speaker 1>of this and other major fires. This code was originally

0:30:40.880 --> 0:30:45.480
<v Speaker 1>written to provide guidelines for contractors, builders, and building inspectors.

0:30:46.080 --> 0:30:49.040
<v Speaker 1>But after these fires in the nineteen forties, the National

0:30:49.080 --> 0:30:52.280
<v Speaker 1>Fire Protection Association also revised the way the code was

0:30:52.320 --> 0:30:54.920
<v Speaker 1>written so that its language could be used as the

0:30:54.960 --> 0:30:58.520
<v Speaker 1>basis for laws and official fire codes. That n f

0:30:58.640 --> 0:31:01.560
<v Speaker 1>p A doesn't have in horsement powers over the codes

0:31:01.600 --> 0:31:06.040
<v Speaker 1>that it recommends, that enforcement falls to governments. But a

0:31:06.160 --> 0:31:09.280
<v Speaker 1>lot of these things that made the Coconut Grow fire

0:31:09.360 --> 0:31:14.240
<v Speaker 1>so deadly are still issues today. For example, the fourth

0:31:14.280 --> 0:31:18.440
<v Speaker 1>deadliest nightclub fire in the US happens less than twenty

0:31:18.560 --> 0:31:22.200
<v Speaker 1>years ago. That was the Station nightclub fire in Rhode Island,

0:31:22.280 --> 0:31:27.520
<v Speaker 1>which started when stage pyrotechnics ignited flammable acoustic foam. A

0:31:27.600 --> 0:31:30.280
<v Speaker 1>hundred people died and more than two hundred were injured,

0:31:30.720 --> 0:31:34.720
<v Speaker 1>and various fire codes had not been followed that included

0:31:34.760 --> 0:31:38.400
<v Speaker 1>a requirement for sprinklers to be installed in buildings with

0:31:38.440 --> 0:31:42.320
<v Speaker 1>an occupancy of more than a hundred people. In addition

0:31:42.440 --> 0:31:45.520
<v Speaker 1>to its impact on things like fire codes, the Coconut

0:31:45.560 --> 0:31:48.680
<v Speaker 1>Grow fire led to advances in the treatment of burns

0:31:48.760 --> 0:31:53.160
<v Speaker 1>and respiratory injuries sustained in fires. This research was already

0:31:53.280 --> 0:31:56.680
<v Speaker 1>underway due to World War Two. The fires that occurred

0:31:56.720 --> 0:31:59.080
<v Speaker 1>during attacks like the Blitz and the bombing of Pearl

0:31:59.120 --> 0:32:03.880
<v Speaker 1>Harbor to large numbers of people sustaining serious burns. The

0:32:03.960 --> 0:32:08.000
<v Speaker 1>National Research Council had been funding research through Harvard Medical School,

0:32:08.200 --> 0:32:11.600
<v Speaker 1>which was being carried out in conjunction with Massachusetts General

0:32:11.640 --> 0:32:17.160
<v Speaker 1>Hospital and Boston General Hospital. At the time, serious burns

0:32:17.160 --> 0:32:21.200
<v Speaker 1>were often treated using a process known as tanning, using

0:32:21.240 --> 0:32:26.160
<v Speaker 1>either a combination of three antimicrobial dyes or tannic acid.

0:32:27.120 --> 0:32:30.480
<v Speaker 1>Both of these methods required the burns to be heavily

0:32:30.600 --> 0:32:34.840
<v Speaker 1>dibrided and scrubbed. That was often done under anesthesia because

0:32:34.840 --> 0:32:37.760
<v Speaker 1>it was just so painful, and because of the war,

0:32:37.920 --> 0:32:41.040
<v Speaker 1>anesthesia was in short supply, so people had already been

0:32:41.040 --> 0:32:45.680
<v Speaker 1>trying to find other ways to successfully treat burns. Dr

0:32:45.720 --> 0:32:49.720
<v Speaker 1>Oliver Cope at MGH had developed a burn treatment protocol

0:32:49.760 --> 0:32:53.040
<v Speaker 1>that involved a boric acid ointment and wraps that were

0:32:53.080 --> 0:32:56.960
<v Speaker 1>infused with petroleum jelly that could be used without so

0:32:57.080 --> 0:33:01.440
<v Speaker 1>much debridement. Boston City High Hospital, which is part of

0:33:01.440 --> 0:33:05.360
<v Speaker 1>Boston Medical Center today, they started out treating victims of

0:33:05.360 --> 0:33:08.360
<v Speaker 1>the Coconut Grove fire with either the triple die or

0:33:08.400 --> 0:33:11.880
<v Speaker 1>tanic acid methods, but they phased those out in favor

0:33:11.920 --> 0:33:14.480
<v Speaker 1>of a boric acid protocol that was similar to what

0:33:14.600 --> 0:33:18.760
<v Speaker 1>Coke was using at MGH. Doctors in both hospitals also

0:33:18.840 --> 0:33:22.520
<v Speaker 1>made advances in figuring out when and whether antibiotics were

0:33:22.560 --> 0:33:26.680
<v Speaker 1>helpful in treating burns. SOLFA drugs were commonly used in

0:33:26.720 --> 0:33:29.000
<v Speaker 1>burn treatments, and at m g H they were part

0:33:29.000 --> 0:33:33.280
<v Speaker 1>of initial treatments for all burned patients. Penicillin was also

0:33:33.360 --> 0:33:35.560
<v Speaker 1>brand new at this point, when nearly all of it

0:33:35.600 --> 0:33:39.160
<v Speaker 1>being used for the military. Some of it was diverted

0:33:39.160 --> 0:33:41.720
<v Speaker 1>into Boston to treat people who had survived the fire,

0:33:41.840 --> 0:33:44.720
<v Speaker 1>which was one of the earliest uses of penicillin in

0:33:44.800 --> 0:33:49.040
<v Speaker 1>the United States outside of clinical trials. Doctors found that

0:33:49.120 --> 0:33:53.440
<v Speaker 1>antibiotics made the most difference in patients with full thickness burns,

0:33:53.480 --> 0:33:56.440
<v Speaker 1>but were often unnecessary and patients whose burns were not

0:33:56.520 --> 0:33:59.640
<v Speaker 1>as deep as long as an infection was not introduced

0:33:59.680 --> 0:34:04.040
<v Speaker 1>into the wound. Yeah, maintaining a sterile area was really

0:34:04.120 --> 0:34:08.080
<v Speaker 1>important for that. As we said earlier, blood banks were

0:34:08.200 --> 0:34:12.279
<v Speaker 1>fairly new. The one at MGH had just been established

0:34:12.320 --> 0:34:15.560
<v Speaker 1>that same year, and m g H had two units

0:34:15.560 --> 0:34:18.520
<v Speaker 1>of dried plasma on hand in the event of some

0:34:18.600 --> 0:34:22.400
<v Speaker 1>kind of wartime need in Boston, Prior to this point,

0:34:22.480 --> 0:34:25.720
<v Speaker 1>a lot of medical experts had been cautious about giving

0:34:25.719 --> 0:34:29.240
<v Speaker 1>a lot of fluids to burn patients. There were concerns

0:34:29.680 --> 0:34:32.680
<v Speaker 1>that doing so might lead them to develop pulmonary edema.

0:34:33.600 --> 0:34:36.400
<v Speaker 1>It became clear, though, through treating all of these patients,

0:34:36.920 --> 0:34:42.320
<v Speaker 1>that fluid therapies really helped patients heal without causing pulmonary edema.

0:34:42.600 --> 0:34:45.880
<v Speaker 1>Through treating the victims of the Coconut grove fire, doctors

0:34:45.920 --> 0:34:49.480
<v Speaker 1>also gained a much greater understanding of how often a

0:34:49.600 --> 0:34:53.879
<v Speaker 1>burn patient's biggest issue was a respiratory injury rather than

0:34:53.920 --> 0:34:57.239
<v Speaker 1>the burns on their skin. Many people arrived at the

0:34:57.280 --> 0:35:01.520
<v Speaker 1>hospital in serious condition but did not outwardly appear injured.

0:35:02.200 --> 0:35:04.840
<v Speaker 1>Some even walked into the hospital under their own power,

0:35:04.960 --> 0:35:09.080
<v Speaker 1>but then collapsed after getting there. Some had clear signs

0:35:09.120 --> 0:35:12.880
<v Speaker 1>of carbon monoxide poisoning, but others had respiratory damage from

0:35:12.960 --> 0:35:18.200
<v Speaker 1>inhaling hot toxic gases and smoke. People whose noses and

0:35:18.280 --> 0:35:21.360
<v Speaker 1>mouths were burned, or who had lost consciousness inside the

0:35:21.400 --> 0:35:25.480
<v Speaker 1>building seemed to be at the greatest risk. This is

0:35:25.520 --> 0:35:30.960
<v Speaker 1>not even everything. For example, the entire June volume of

0:35:31.040 --> 0:35:34.320
<v Speaker 1>Annals of Surgery was devoted to developments made at m

0:35:34.440 --> 0:35:37.479
<v Speaker 1>g H while treating victims of the Coconut growth fire.

0:35:38.239 --> 0:35:40.920
<v Speaker 1>The forward to this issue of the journal was written

0:35:40.960 --> 0:35:44.480
<v Speaker 1>by Dr Oliver Cope, and papers in it covered topics

0:35:44.520 --> 0:35:50.840
<v Speaker 1>like protocols, shock pulmonary complications, resuscitating people whose airways were burned,

0:35:51.360 --> 0:35:56.720
<v Speaker 1>surface burned treatments, infections and antibiotics, rehabilitation and physical therapy,

0:35:57.000 --> 0:36:02.640
<v Speaker 1>and hospital administration issues. And article on neuropsychiatric observations was

0:36:02.680 --> 0:36:06.680
<v Speaker 1>authored by Dr Stanley Cobb and Eric Lindeman. Cobb was

0:36:06.719 --> 0:36:09.960
<v Speaker 1>a neurologist who helped establish a department of psychiatry at

0:36:10.080 --> 0:36:12.600
<v Speaker 1>m GH, and some of his work focused on the

0:36:12.640 --> 0:36:16.239
<v Speaker 1>connection between the mind and the body. Lindemann was a

0:36:16.239 --> 0:36:20.960
<v Speaker 1>psychiatrist whose focus was on bereavement and grief. They described

0:36:21.000 --> 0:36:25.040
<v Speaker 1>patients whose recoveries were impacted by a state of acute

0:36:25.080 --> 0:36:28.439
<v Speaker 1>grief and trauma, including an early description of what would

0:36:28.480 --> 0:36:31.920
<v Speaker 1>come to be known as post traumatic stress disorder. This

0:36:32.040 --> 0:36:35.400
<v Speaker 1>research also became part of Lindeman's nineteen forty four paper

0:36:35.760 --> 0:36:40.680
<v Speaker 1>Symptomatology and Management of Acute Grief. The Dr Lindeman especially

0:36:40.680 --> 0:36:42.960
<v Speaker 1>did a lot of work on trauma and grief and

0:36:43.000 --> 0:36:47.360
<v Speaker 1>became really groundbreaking with a lot of that. The area

0:36:47.520 --> 0:36:50.440
<v Speaker 1>where Coconut Grove used to be is really different now

0:36:50.440 --> 0:36:53.799
<v Speaker 1>than it was in ninety two. Various streets have been

0:36:53.840 --> 0:36:58.000
<v Speaker 1>renamed or moved. There's a hotel and condos where the

0:36:58.080 --> 0:37:01.600
<v Speaker 1>nightclub used to be. And nine three, the Bay Village

0:37:01.600 --> 0:37:06.200
<v Speaker 1>Neighborhood Association installed a memorial plaque made by fire survivor

0:37:06.280 --> 0:37:10.080
<v Speaker 1>Anthony P. Mara on Piedmont Street at the approximate site

0:37:10.120 --> 0:37:15.520
<v Speaker 1>of where the revolving door had been. In Shawmant Street extension,

0:37:15.640 --> 0:37:19.360
<v Speaker 1>which connected Shawmant Street with Piedmont Street was renamed Coconut

0:37:19.440 --> 0:37:24.040
<v Speaker 1>Grove Lane. In the memorial plaque was removed so the

0:37:24.120 --> 0:37:27.040
<v Speaker 1>condos could be built, with the agreement that it be

0:37:27.080 --> 0:37:31.719
<v Speaker 1>returned to its original location after construction was done. Instead,

0:37:31.960 --> 0:37:35.640
<v Speaker 1>the plaque was moved farther down the street. Condo owners

0:37:35.719 --> 0:37:39.240
<v Speaker 1>wrote to the Bay Village Neighborhood Association saying, quote, only

0:37:39.280 --> 0:37:42.200
<v Speaker 1>a small portion of our building overlays the site of

0:37:42.200 --> 0:37:45.640
<v Speaker 1>the club. We now occupy these homes with our families

0:37:45.680 --> 0:37:48.200
<v Speaker 1>as part of the Bay Village Neighborhood and would like

0:37:48.320 --> 0:37:52.120
<v Speaker 1>to enjoy our homes in peace without tragic memories hanging

0:37:52.160 --> 0:37:55.360
<v Speaker 1>reaths at our doors and tourists peaking into our houses.

0:37:56.400 --> 0:37:59.480
<v Speaker 1>People were very upset with a sense that rich people

0:37:59.520 --> 0:38:02.840
<v Speaker 1>buying three condos were putting their feelings over the memory

0:38:02.880 --> 0:38:07.399
<v Speaker 1>of victims and survivors and their descendants. I found one

0:38:07.520 --> 0:38:11.640
<v Speaker 1>article that interpreted this as the correct decision, and many

0:38:11.719 --> 0:38:15.759
<v Speaker 1>others by people who either were livid about it, or

0:38:15.840 --> 0:38:21.360
<v Speaker 1>like reporters trying to sound neutral, who clearly we're also

0:38:21.440 --> 0:38:26.200
<v Speaker 1>livid about it. The Coconut Grove Memorial Committee is a

0:38:26.280 --> 0:38:30.439
<v Speaker 1>nonprofit that was established in to try to establish an

0:38:30.440 --> 0:38:34.120
<v Speaker 1>actual memorial for the victims of the Coconut Grove fire,

0:38:34.200 --> 0:38:38.200
<v Speaker 1>as well as to survivors, first responders, and medical professionals,

0:38:38.280 --> 0:38:42.240
<v Speaker 1>rather than only having this plaque in one The Boston

0:38:42.320 --> 0:38:46.480
<v Speaker 1>City Council awarded two fifty thousand dollars in Community Preservation

0:38:46.520 --> 0:38:49.640
<v Speaker 1>Act funds for a memorial at Statler Park, which is

0:38:49.640 --> 0:38:52.080
<v Speaker 1>a small park that's not far away from where the

0:38:52.200 --> 0:38:56.360
<v Speaker 1>night club was. The current proposed design for this memorial

0:38:56.480 --> 0:38:59.839
<v Speaker 1>involves a set of three archways to resemble that arch

0:39:00.239 --> 0:39:04.920
<v Speaker 1>entryway into Coconut Grove. A documentary called Six Locked Doors

0:39:04.960 --> 0:39:08.359
<v Speaker 1>played at various film festivals in twenty nineteen. It's been

0:39:08.400 --> 0:39:11.560
<v Speaker 1>aired on various PBS stations around the region since then.

0:39:12.680 --> 0:39:15.600
<v Speaker 1>As of when we're recording this, there are two known

0:39:15.719 --> 0:39:18.279
<v Speaker 1>survivors of the fire who were still living. Both of

0:39:18.320 --> 0:39:23.000
<v Speaker 1>them were only eighteen when the fire happened, So that

0:39:23.080 --> 0:39:27.640
<v Speaker 1>as a Coconut Grove nightclub fire, that's a rough one.

0:39:28.520 --> 0:39:31.719
<v Speaker 1>Do you have some listener may I do? This is

0:39:31.760 --> 0:39:36.560
<v Speaker 1>from Jen and Jen wrote about um our Helen Duncan episode,

0:39:37.200 --> 0:39:39.640
<v Speaker 1>and Jen said, Dear Holly and Tracy, I adore your

0:39:39.680 --> 0:39:42.319
<v Speaker 1>show and hearing about people, places and events that are

0:39:42.360 --> 0:39:44.600
<v Speaker 1>new to me, as it broadens my knowledge and provides

0:39:44.680 --> 0:39:47.440
<v Speaker 1>context for so many modern events that I would otherwise lack.

0:39:47.960 --> 0:39:50.680
<v Speaker 1>Thank you for making the past present. I also like

0:39:50.719 --> 0:39:53.080
<v Speaker 1>it when a story touches closer to home, and your

0:39:53.160 --> 0:39:56.920
<v Speaker 1>recent episode about Helen Duncan is one such episode. As

0:39:56.960 --> 0:40:01.000
<v Speaker 1>a friend of mine met Helen Duncan. Jen goes on

0:40:01.040 --> 0:40:03.040
<v Speaker 1>to talk a little bit about how this friend is

0:40:03.160 --> 0:40:05.640
<v Speaker 1>in their later years at this point, at least in

0:40:05.960 --> 0:40:09.280
<v Speaker 1>at least in his eighties, and they know one another

0:40:09.320 --> 0:40:12.520
<v Speaker 1>from church. A few years ago. I was talking to

0:40:12.600 --> 0:40:15.520
<v Speaker 1>my friend and we got onto the subject of Helen Duncan.

0:40:15.800 --> 0:40:19.320
<v Speaker 1>He then gestured for me to lean in and whispered

0:40:19.360 --> 0:40:21.640
<v Speaker 1>that when he was sixteen he had been to a

0:40:21.760 --> 0:40:25.440
<v Speaker 1>seance by Helen Duncan. He was taken by his minister.

0:40:25.520 --> 0:40:28.759
<v Speaker 1>At the time. This was a big taboo within Presbyterianism,

0:40:28.760 --> 0:40:31.480
<v Speaker 1>which is why he whispered it, as even today he

0:40:31.520 --> 0:40:34.440
<v Speaker 1>didn't want other members of the church to know in

0:40:34.560 --> 0:40:38.479
<v Speaker 1>case they disapproved. Despite it now being no big deal.

0:40:38.920 --> 0:40:42.360
<v Speaker 1>It's also why I'm not naming him. He talked about

0:40:42.360 --> 0:40:45.680
<v Speaker 1>how she strode across the stage like a tiger. I

0:40:45.680 --> 0:40:48.040
<v Speaker 1>asked him if he thought she was genuine, knowing the

0:40:48.080 --> 0:40:50.560
<v Speaker 1>fact that she was convicted for being a false medium,

0:40:50.560 --> 0:40:53.080
<v Speaker 1>and without any hesitation, he proclaimed that she was the

0:40:53.160 --> 0:40:56.640
<v Speaker 1>real deal. He was convinced that night that she contacted

0:40:56.680 --> 0:41:00.040
<v Speaker 1>the deads picking up on the favorite color flower of

0:41:00.160 --> 0:41:02.120
<v Speaker 1>that one person had in their garden, and the smell

0:41:02.160 --> 0:41:05.720
<v Speaker 1>of pigs from some people visiting Edinburgh from an outside

0:41:05.760 --> 0:41:09.080
<v Speaker 1>village who kept pigs at their place. It was fascinating

0:41:09.120 --> 0:41:12.120
<v Speaker 1>to think an old friend of mine met and engaged

0:41:12.120 --> 0:41:14.680
<v Speaker 1>with such a famous historical figure, and to hear his

0:41:14.760 --> 0:41:17.560
<v Speaker 1>experience of one of her seances. These things are not

0:41:17.680 --> 0:41:19.799
<v Speaker 1>as far in the past as we might think, and

0:41:19.840 --> 0:41:23.600
<v Speaker 1>these personal connections to the subjects of the podcast are

0:41:23.600 --> 0:41:27.080
<v Speaker 1>still alive and thriving. Jen then asked if it was

0:41:27.160 --> 0:41:30.200
<v Speaker 1>okay to Um to burn a copy of the episode

0:41:30.200 --> 0:41:32.400
<v Speaker 1>onto a CD for her friends to listen to, because

0:41:32.440 --> 0:41:34.799
<v Speaker 1>he does not really know how to do podcasts. Uh.

0:41:34.840 --> 0:41:36.680
<v Speaker 1>If you if you want to burn an episode of

0:41:36.680 --> 0:41:39.640
<v Speaker 1>a podcast onto a CD for your own personal use,

0:41:39.719 --> 0:41:43.440
<v Speaker 1>that is generally fine. UM and Jen also sent some

0:41:44.239 --> 0:41:49.480
<v Speaker 1>really great pictures of a cat named Tibby Tippy You

0:41:49.680 --> 0:41:51.719
<v Speaker 1>Jenn was not able to see for a really long time,

0:41:51.800 --> 0:41:55.839
<v Speaker 1>as as things as travel was not happening during the pandemic. UM,

0:41:55.880 --> 0:41:57.600
<v Speaker 1>So thank you so much Jen for sending this. I

0:41:57.600 --> 0:42:00.760
<v Speaker 1>wanted to read it because one of the things Jen notes,

0:42:00.800 --> 0:42:02.919
<v Speaker 1>and the part of this that I kind of skimmed over,

0:42:03.120 --> 0:42:07.600
<v Speaker 1>is that Presbyterianism today is a lot more progressive than

0:42:07.800 --> 0:42:11.239
<v Speaker 1>it was in the nineteen forties when we talked in

0:42:11.239 --> 0:42:15.640
<v Speaker 1>that episode about how there had been one account that

0:42:15.719 --> 0:42:18.320
<v Speaker 1>said that Helen Duncan's parents said she was going to

0:42:18.400 --> 0:42:20.800
<v Speaker 1>be burned in the steak if she kept doing this

0:42:20.960 --> 0:42:24.680
<v Speaker 1>talking to spirits Um. They had said specifically that it

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<v Speaker 1>was because they were Presbyterian, And I just wasn't able

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<v Speaker 1>to really confirm whether that was the case, and so

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<v Speaker 1>I did not get into that particular detail, but the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that it came back up again in this um,

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<v Speaker 1>in this email, uh made me want to read it also. UM,

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<v Speaker 1>I hope Jen's friend is not disappointed in the episode,

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<v Speaker 1>since we made it clear in the episode that a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of the stuff she was doing with manifestations was

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<v Speaker 1>pretty easily pointed at as like not not the real thing.

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<v Speaker 1>But we also said in the behind the scenes that like,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't know if she felt she was she really

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<v Speaker 1>truly sincerely felt she was speaking to spirits or not,

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<v Speaker 1>or if well we really know. So thank you again,

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<v Speaker 1>Jim for this note and for the cap picture and

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