1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: From UFOs two, Ghosts and government cover ups. History is 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:16,480 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to now. Hey, everybody, 4 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:18,639 Speaker 1: welcome back to the show, the show that never ends. 5 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:20,479 Speaker 1: This is stuff they don't want you to know. My 6 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 1: name is Matt and I'm Ben, and today we're talking 7 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:26,120 Speaker 1: about that thing that you love so much, that thing 8 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: that just warms your heart every time you have to 9 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 1: do it. Taxes. Yeah, today we are talking about taxes. 10 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 1: And this will be probably the last thing we do 11 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: about taxes for a while, or at least the last 12 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: thing I do, because when April fifteen came up, which 13 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: is when everybody in the US has to pay their taxes, 14 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: we started covering so much of this stuff and we 15 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:52,559 Speaker 1: still haven't gotten to all of it. So this is 16 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 1: going to be our opportunity to delve into some of 17 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: the history of taxation, the problems people have with it, 18 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 1: and of course the conspiracy theory surrounding it, of which 19 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 1: there are quite a few. Absolutely, So let's just go 20 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 1: ahead and jump right in. Taxes are an ancient idea 21 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: and it's basically any any levy that's placed on an 22 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 1: individual or a legal entity like a company or corporation 23 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 1: that's levied by a state or something something to that effect, 24 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: a state or a group, and there are legal repercussions 25 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: if that levy is not paid, right, you can be 26 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 1: charged with the crime. And this is an ancient, ancient idea. 27 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 1: It dates as far back as Mesopotamia or even the 28 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:38,199 Speaker 1: old Kingdom of Egypt. If you think today's systems blow, 29 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: just imagine, you know, having to live back then. Because 30 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:47,639 Speaker 1: in this situation, if you didn't satisfy your your tax 31 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 1: or pay your tribute even it wasn't like they would 32 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 1: take you to a court of law and then charge 33 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: you more money. You could be beaten, be killed. It 34 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 1: would take your stuff, and by off I mean like 35 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 1: your family. Uh you know you also wouldn't necessarily pay 36 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 1: with money, right, Yeah, because people weren't necessarily using money 37 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: or at least currency of any kind of that time. 38 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 1: So you'd be forced into some kind of labor situation. 39 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 1: Like you said, if your family has to go into 40 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 1: a forced labor or or military service, um conscription of 41 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: sorts or digging ditches, like literally digging ditches. Yeah, we're 42 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 1: just giving up the livestock that you have at your 43 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 1: house that you're going to be using for your family. 44 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 1: Right and today, luckily, I think we mentioned this on 45 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: a brain Stuff video. Uncle Sam won't physically beat you 46 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: for not paying your taxes, but you will get increasing fines. Usually. 47 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: The US tax system is huge. And at one level 48 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: that's kind of strange, right because uh u s citizens 49 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: have never been big fans of taxes. Oh yeah, it's 50 00:02:55,720 --> 00:03:00,240 Speaker 1: one of the main reasons for the Revolutionary War. Uh 51 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 1: just you know, we revolted against the British because they 52 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:05,959 Speaker 1: were trying to put taxes on certain things, like really 53 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 1: heavy tax without representation exactly. So that was the first 54 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: big thing. We're not being represented, but we're having to 55 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 1: pay all this money. Why the heck would we have 56 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 1: to do that? Right? And of course, um later you 57 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: could argue that became a hypocritical thing as we later 58 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: evolved into the present tax system we have. But in theory, 59 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: the people of the US are represented. Um just a 60 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 1: quick side sidebar here. The idea of um mer cancil 61 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: is m as a system you know where where in 62 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: this this is what the United Kingdom was doing at 63 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 1: the time. Right, They were saying, okay, colonies, give us 64 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: all of your resources, all of your raw goods, and 65 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: then you can and we'll buy them for a price 66 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 1: that we set. And then we will also h only 67 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 1: ship manufact your goods. You can only get manufactured goods 68 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 1: from us certain types. And uh, we will tax both 69 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: those things we shipped to you and the things that 70 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 1: you are supplying with us. So it goes. You gotta 71 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:18,160 Speaker 1: pay both ways, right right, and your cancel is UM 72 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:24,039 Speaker 1: of course arguably exists today in UM. You know, in 73 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:29,039 Speaker 1: theories that people have about resource extraction by private entities 74 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: or by UM even international bodies like the I m 75 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 1: F for World Bank totally has nothing to do with this. 76 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: But uh, in the in the early eighteen sixties, Uncle 77 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:47,039 Speaker 1: Sam started collecting the first national income tax. And you'll 78 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 1: hear people say, oh, this is eighteen sixty one, UM, 79 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 1: and it was to pay for the Civil War, or 80 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:56,479 Speaker 1: it was eighteen sixty two or sixty three. But it 81 00:04:56,560 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 1: culminates in UM in something we'll learn about later when 82 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: they actually passed the act. But early eighteen sixties that's 83 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 1: when it That's how long it took us to just say, oh, okay, 84 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:09,719 Speaker 1: now we'll do tax too, yeah exactly. And that was 85 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 1: so the original one was that a flat tax or 86 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: a graduated tax, graduated tax, right, Um, but we did 87 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 1: try some other stuff. Right For all those uh, all 88 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: those flat tax proponents who say this is a revolutionary 89 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: thing and it's something that we absolutely have to do. Um, 90 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: don't call it a come back. We tried before, right, 91 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 1: that's right, because that was in eighteen sixty seven when 92 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: they tried the flat tax. The only lasted a couple 93 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 1: of years, that would right, Yeah, it's just well anyway, 94 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 1: so five years later, in eighteen seventy two, the national 95 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 1: income tax was actually repealed. Um. It just altogether they 96 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:51,479 Speaker 1: just decided, you know what, this was a bad idea, 97 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:53,799 Speaker 1: We're not going to do this. Um. But the federal 98 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:57,039 Speaker 1: government went back to relying on basically tariffs, which are 99 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 1: kind of it's not mercantilism, but it's kind end of 100 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:03,479 Speaker 1: the same thing where you're just taxing imports, exports, that 101 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 1: kind of thing, right, and excise taxes as well. So, 102 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:12,600 Speaker 1: just to be clear, the US always had some sort 103 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 1: of tax system. People had to pay taxes in one 104 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 1: way or another. They didn't have to pay as many, 105 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 1: but uh, tariffs are not a sustainable model for this 106 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 1: kind of thing at least, and that's what the federal 107 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:34,480 Speaker 1: government found. Things got ugly, things got really ugly. Um. 108 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:37,600 Speaker 1: And a few years later, Congress passed what was called 109 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 1: the Income Tax Act of So this tax two of 110 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 1: personal income that was more than four thousand dollars, which 111 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 1: was a lot of money back then. And uh, but 112 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: not a lot of people have that amount of money, right, yeah, 113 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:53,159 Speaker 1: how like we're looking at it. You're looking at again 114 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 1: something that we've talk about the top ten percent. Um, 115 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 1: it's not the one percent back then. But still only 116 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 1: people are affected by this. And the Supreme Court wild out. No, 117 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 1: I'm kidding. They did say it was unconstitutional though. Um, 118 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 1: they said that income tax did not abide by a 119 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 1: specific constitutional guideline. And this is kind of its kind 120 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: of a dry thing that doesn't sound important, but it's 121 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: part of this story. Here's the guideline. The guideline says 122 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 1: that in the Constitution that any tax levied directly on 123 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 1: people on the citizens asked to be levied in proportion 124 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 1: to a state's population. So you can't just, um, you know, 125 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: if we take one of the most populous states, which 126 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 1: would be California, and then we take one of the 127 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 1: least populous states, which would be North Dakota, Eta. Right, 128 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: that's unconstitutional. So Congress wild out, I'm kidding about what 129 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 1: they did was doing that than not. But in nine 130 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 1: same year, everybody's favorite Federal Reserve Act has passed. Congress 131 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: passed the sixteenth Amendment to get around this, So you know, okay, 132 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 1: so I we're gonna go ahead and read the sixteenth Amendment. 133 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: Someone complained that we didn't actually read the sixteenth Amendment 134 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 1: on our video recently about taxes. I just want to 135 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 1: point out that it is there in the very beginning. 136 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: If you pause the video as the opening is happening, 137 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 1: the entire text is there. So here it is. The 138 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:32,199 Speaker 1: sixteenth Amendment reads, the Congress shall have the power to 139 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 1: lay and collect taxes on incomes from whatever source derived, 140 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to 141 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 1: any census or enumeration. Uh. That was a great read, Nolan. 142 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 1: I both like made eye contact and nodded um in 143 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 1: the affirmative to your read, Matt. So essentially, this gave 144 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 1: the government the power to do what they want, and 145 00:08:56,040 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: it made the changing the constitution made the income tax 146 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 1: finally constitutional, regardless of which state a citizen resides in. 147 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: But then another thing happened this year, and that was 148 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: the Underwood Tariff Act of ninet. This also had an 149 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 1: income tax section, and it initiated the progressive system that 150 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:22,559 Speaker 1: we're you know, balling out on today. And then fast 151 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 1: forward all the way to the nineteen forties. During World 152 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 1: War two, um, the federal government started using this withholding 153 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 1: tax system, which is kind of it's also known as 154 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:36,959 Speaker 1: pay as you go and and pay as you earn taxation. Yes, 155 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 1: so we have a I did a video for this 156 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 1: on one of our other shows, brain Stuff, which is 157 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: just how income tax works. And this is something that 158 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: a lot of people need to think about. You know, 159 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 1: you see it all the time in the United States 160 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: around tax season. People get so excited and say, I'm 161 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 1: going to get a refund you or the government is 162 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 1: giving me a refund. I can't wait to buy like 163 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: a Flying Squirrel series. Yeah, as though it's new money 164 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: or somehow it's like, yeah, like your box. I don't 165 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 1: know what. What's ridiculous stuff you could buy with the refund. Well, 166 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 1: for I'm just thinking about my house and the things 167 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 1: that I would have bought if I had gotten a 168 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 1: refund which I didn't. Uh, okay, something I have gotten 169 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 1: something No, well, practical but crazy, like maybe I don't know, um, 170 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:29,439 Speaker 1: some kind of large cage for my dog to run 171 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: around in the back. But but it would be a 172 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: huge enclosure and it would have all kinds of things 173 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 1: for her to run around and jump on it to 174 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 1: like a habitat. It would be a yeah, massive habitat 175 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 1: for my dog. Yeah, okay, I'm not sure. I think 176 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 1: I would uh take a trip to do something incredibly 177 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 1: impractical and really publicize it. So i'd say, you know, otto, 178 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 1: it's the anniversary of the first performance of the famous 179 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: French professional flat less, which is a real thing. Yeah, 180 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 1: I would go there and take pictures of me standing 181 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:09,719 Speaker 1: around pretending to fart in places which I'm sure I'm 182 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:12,679 Speaker 1: sure France would love. Speaking of music, I'm gonna redact 183 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 1: to mine. I'm gonna say I would get. I would 184 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 1: get one of those acritic see through drum kits that 185 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:19,680 Speaker 1: costs like you know what I would I know what 186 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 1: I would do. I would make a music video with 187 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 1: with us like we would do well, you know, we 188 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: do money at it. No, would you be down with that? Okay? No, 189 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 1: one would be down with that. Either are called the artists. 190 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 1: Our producer has corrected me, these are fartists, and I apologize. 191 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 1: He was looking it up immediately right he started talking 192 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, I got the side I for that one. However, Um, 193 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 1: what what we're saying here when we talk about this 194 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:54,439 Speaker 1: thing is that this is not quite the free money 195 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 1: that a lot of people mistake it for your paying 196 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 1: taxes every single time you get a pay check in 197 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: the US, right and later, it's just settling the tab. 198 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: Does the government owe you money some of the money 199 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 1: that they took from you, or do you owe them 200 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:17,559 Speaker 1: more money than you gave them? So people have been 201 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 1: going absolutely nuts about this ever since. Well, yeah, because 202 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:26,560 Speaker 1: nobody wants to pay that much money. Even even if 203 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 1: you go through and you really think about all the 204 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:32,679 Speaker 1: things you're getting by paying these taxes, it's just something 205 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 1: I think, just deep inside, it feels like you're getting 206 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 1: ripped off, especially if you have to when you settle 207 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 1: up your tab you have to pay even more. I 208 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: can totally understand the feeling, but there are a lot 209 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:47,559 Speaker 1: of people think there's more to this story, that it's 210 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:51,319 Speaker 1: not just us paying taxes to get things to get 211 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:55,679 Speaker 1: roads and public education. Uh. People think it goes a 212 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: little deeper. Ah, that sounds like you're saying there might 213 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: be a conspiratorial angle. Oh yes, Uh so, yeah, it's true. 214 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:06,840 Speaker 1: There are loads of ways to get out of paying taxes, 215 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 1: but they are also a bunch of arguments against paying 216 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 1: taxes at all. Uh. And a lot of these arguments say, hey, 217 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:17,320 Speaker 1: this is a huge conspiracy perpetrated upon you, the citizen. 218 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 1: That's right. One of the ones we found is from 219 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 1: tax dash freedom dot Com and uh it's from this 220 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 1: information comes from Irwin Schiff, and uh. It essentially says 221 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: that the entire federal judiciary is involved in this monumental 222 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 1: criminal conspiracy to collect income taxes, uh, in violation of 223 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 1: overall law of the law of the land. And he 224 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 1: has a specific argument for this um which I think 225 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 1: we also have a quote for right, Yes, we do. 226 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:52,559 Speaker 1: Since the income tax was repealed in nineteen fifty four 227 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 1: when Congress adopted the nineteen fifty four Code, it is 228 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 1: clear that for fifty years federal judges have been in 229 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 1: conspiracy the U. S. Department of Justice and prosecutors, and 230 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 1: they have been illegally and criminally prosecuting people for crimes 231 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: that do not exist in connection with the tax that 232 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 1: nobody owes. Now, interestingly enough, we have to point out 233 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 1: one thing about her. When shift he was it was 234 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 1: given a thirteen year prison sentence for tax fraud. And 235 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: as we know, if quite a few people who are imprisoned, 236 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 1: do you believe in various conspiracy theories? And I don't. 237 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 1: I don't blame them because I mean, there are a 238 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 1: couple that have definitely proven to be true. Private prisons 239 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 1: are incentivized to keep people in prison, right, Oh yeah, sure, 240 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 1: I can totally see how that environment would lead you 241 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 1: to believe there's wrongdoing going on. Well, and and you know, 242 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 1: to be fair, something probably went wrong to get you there. 243 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 1: But you know, we all know that there's corruption across 244 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 1: all of any system. In any system, there is going 245 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 1: to be some form of corruption, so right, and of 246 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 1: course that that's an inevitable thing. We see countless acts 247 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: of corruption when it comes to taxation, with frivolous attempts 248 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 1: to dodge tax which carries a five thousand dollar fine 249 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 1: and stuff. But one of the other conspiracies to set this, 250 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 1: to set this up, um, I want to point out 251 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 1: a couple of things. First, the federal government uses tax 252 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: dollars to maintain liquidity throughout the year, right, which is 253 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 1: why the pay as you go system works so well 254 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 1: for the government. Um and you know for a lot 255 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 1: of people who prefer the illusion of getting getting a 256 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 1: bunch of money set of a refund. But um, one 257 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 1: thing that is true is that voters have no direct 258 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 1: discretion or control over where their specific dollars go. This 259 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 1: is one of my biggest concerns over taxes. Right. There's 260 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 1: so there's no there's no analytical device to try to 261 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 1: impose that would be nightmarish because there are a lot 262 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: of things that people wouldn't want to pay for. Um. 263 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: Because the majority of taxpayers in this country are not 264 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 1: the majority of policymakers. Um. And the policymakers often times 265 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 1: have different goals. Yeah, well that's that's that's the terrible truth, right, 266 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 1: because it would be impossible to have a voting system 267 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 1: where we all say, okay, this is where I want 268 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: my how I want my tax money apportions, right, and 269 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 1: we have you know, we also have mob rules, so 270 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: people could people could freak out about the latest horror 271 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 1: story of the month or trending Facebook thing and then boom, 272 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 1: no more money for I don't know the c d 273 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 1: C or for uh something anyone can get along with roads? 274 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:05,879 Speaker 1: No money for this road, no money for edgy education 275 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:09,160 Speaker 1: or whatever. There's the point being that it would make 276 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 1: the uh stability of the government a very difficult proposition. 277 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:19,879 Speaker 1: But also it means that when you pay taxes, you 278 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: may be paying for things that you would not, given 279 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 1: the chance, uh decide to support. So let's go back 280 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:30,359 Speaker 1: to Irwin shift just for a moment, then, uh not 281 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 1: to shift shift gears. I'm sorry, And speaking of things 282 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:40,879 Speaker 1: that ah, that I would support, Ben, I think we 283 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 1: have a word from our sponsor. Well, hello there, sir pie. 284 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 1: Are you tired of paying taxes with money? Uh? Well yeah, 285 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:53,119 Speaker 1: is there something else I can pay with? Oh? I'm 286 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 1: glad you asked. My friends here take this shovel. Okay, 287 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 1: Oh wow, it's pretty hefty that right. Your days of 288 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 1: paying too much tax in cash are over. With our 289 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:11,160 Speaker 1: new patented program, you two can labor directly for your 290 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:14,680 Speaker 1: rulers the same way that the Egyptian pyramids were built. 291 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:18,680 Speaker 1: You'll be digging ditches in place of dropping dollars. Oh 292 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:22,360 Speaker 1: that's fantastic. I've been meaning to get more exercise. This 293 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:24,640 Speaker 1: is great. I can't wait to tell my wife yes 294 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 1: and tell her that Freedom paid dot org sent you. 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And we are 313 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 1: back so now that we're at a good halfway point, 314 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:49,359 Speaker 1: let's dive right into some of the biggest arguments about taxation, 315 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 1: which also incorporate conspiracy, matt um. A lot of times. 316 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 1: It's the little things, right, Yeah, some of the biggest 317 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 1: things are the little list things. So um, one thing 318 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 1: we can talk about or the semantics of taxes and 319 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 1: the way people discuss semantics. Right. It goes back to 320 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:14,880 Speaker 1: the wording of various amendments, um like who are we 321 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:19,879 Speaker 1: the people? What is the difference between income and wages? 322 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 1: Because people argue that wages are not income and that 323 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 1: income itself, for instance, is only derived from investments or 324 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 1: something like that, and that has often been um has 325 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:38,880 Speaker 1: often been kind of dismissed by the courts, and by 326 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 1: kind of, I mean, what's the word with prejudice? Well, 327 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 1: it's okay. We had a great response on our video 328 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 1: series on this because a couple of people pointed out 329 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:54,639 Speaker 1: and correctly, that there were cases where someone argued that 330 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:58,159 Speaker 1: they shouldn't have to pay income tax and they the 331 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:02,720 Speaker 1: jury did find in their favorite. These, however, were civil courts, 332 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 1: not criminal courts, and one of the differences in there 333 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 1: is that a civil court only decides if a crime 334 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:16,400 Speaker 1: was committed and the crime was intentionally committed, and because 335 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: there was a jury of the peers that agreed with 336 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 1: the defendant defend, it was found not guilty. And we 337 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,439 Speaker 1: love these corrections. And if you check out our video 338 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 1: either on our own website stuff that once you know 339 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 1: dot com or YouTube, you can learn a lot more 340 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 1: about it. But now it's time to talk about the 341 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:41,639 Speaker 1: constitutional arguments. That's right. It's not just the sixteenth Amendment, correct, 342 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 1: that's correct. You can also look at the first Amendment, 343 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 1: freedom of speech. A lot of times people believe that 344 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 1: because you have to write things on a tax form, 345 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 1: it's violating your freedom of speech, okay, or like it 346 00:21:56,119 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 1: violate your freedom of religion. Um, if you have a 347 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:04,679 Speaker 1: religious objection to paying taxes. But we know that doesn't 348 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:08,919 Speaker 1: really that doesn't really work. There are special codes or 349 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 1: exemptions that and a mom or priest or rabbi or 350 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 1: whomever a religious officer might have. But the U. S. 351 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 1: Court already ruled in a case called Reynolds versus the 352 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 1: United States that you still have to obey the law 353 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 1: no matter how much you believe that it doesn't apply 354 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 1: to you. Yeah, but they'll you know, you might get 355 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:35,159 Speaker 1: a deduction here there for uh, for your religious beliefs. Um, 356 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 1: but you're certainly not exempt to paying the tax if 357 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 1: you're gonna live inside the country. Here's one that's interesting. 358 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 1: It makes sense to me. Um, this surprised me a 359 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 1: by how much it made sense. Could you plead the 360 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 1: fifth to avoid paying your taxes? So let's think so, right, 361 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:55,439 Speaker 1: so you say, look, I r s I'm not gonna 362 00:22:55,920 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 1: file my taxes because I would be incriminate myself. Yeah. Great, 363 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 1: Oh wow, that's quite ingenious. Did it work? No, it 364 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 1: didn't work. Yeah, that's a good question. Um. There was 365 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 1: a case with US versus Sullivan where Justice Oliver Wendell 366 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:23,159 Speaker 1: Holmes UH said that he well, essentially he said, no, 367 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:29,160 Speaker 1: you're ridiculous. I mean, being a Supreme Court justice. He 368 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 1: didn't say stop being ridiculous, but he did he did 369 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 1: clearly outline why you can't do this. There. I do 370 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:37,640 Speaker 1: like the idea, though, Ben, I have to say, just 371 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 1: at least coming up with that idea and and fighting 372 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:44,920 Speaker 1: it in court, trying, really trying fighting in court that way. 373 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:48,879 Speaker 1: That's I don't that takes moxie. And then there's another 374 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 1: idea here that the takings the word takings in the 375 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 1: in the Fifth Amendments, taking claws means that you can't 376 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 1: take something from a taxpayer unless they receive just compensation. 377 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:07,199 Speaker 1: And uh. The U. S. Supreme Court rejected this one too, 378 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:13,920 Speaker 1: and numerous arguments about due process um have been made 379 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 1: so the idea that you can't be deprived of life, liberty, 380 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: and property without due process. But um, there's a huge 381 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:25,400 Speaker 1: list of courts and cases that have flatly rejected this. 382 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,399 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess we could read them. It's a 383 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,719 Speaker 1: long list. Yeah, I'm not going to read out this 384 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 1: laundry list. If you really want to know all these cases, 385 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 1: just email us at conspiracy at Discovery dot com and 386 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:37,959 Speaker 1: I'll just send it to you. That's probably the easiest 387 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 1: way for us to handle this, sure thing. And agreed. 388 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:46,160 Speaker 1: The thirteenth Amendment is another story. This concerns a guy 389 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 1: named Arthur J. P. He said that the whole sixteenth 390 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:57,119 Speaker 1: Amendment was um inconstitutional because the Okay, here we go, 391 00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 1: here's his pitch. I feel like all these guys are 392 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:02,440 Speaker 1: making pictures. Uh. The income tax under the I R. 393 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 1: S Code of ninety nine was involuntary servitude servititude, which 394 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 1: violated the Thirteenth Amendment. And uh, you know he lost 395 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 1: his case. Um do an interesting argument the Sorry not 396 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 1: to glaze over that one, but but the thirteenth Amendment 397 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 1: was one that I found particularly interesting. Just the idea 398 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 1: that we are not citizens of the United States government 399 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:30,679 Speaker 1: as a whole, but we are each citizens of the 400 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 1: state in which we live. That idea, yeah, um, that's 401 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:39,640 Speaker 1: that's interesting because the argument from there would go, therefore, 402 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 1: Washington has no power to tax anybody who's not specifically 403 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:50,159 Speaker 1: on federal land. However, they also there's another argument there 404 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 1: I think that supporteenth Amendment. There's also the argument that 405 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:58,640 Speaker 1: was never properly ratified. This has of course been rejected. 406 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 1: And there's this argument that there's a missing thirteenth Amendment 407 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:07,399 Speaker 1: and the Constitution mat the titles of nobility amendment. So 408 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 1: this sounds rich. I like this. So uh, according to 409 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 1: this story, the unproven story, this would take citizenship away 410 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:20,639 Speaker 1: from any person receiving a title of nobility. Therefore, and 411 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna read this quote. Therefore, actions taken by 412 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:28,640 Speaker 1: lawyers and judges used the title esquire, which protesters claims 413 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 1: as nobility, um, are monarchical and therefore unconstitutional. Interesting. See, 414 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 1: I would want to argue that if you use that 415 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 1: in your name and you are nobility, then you are 416 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:44,440 Speaker 1: above the citizenry and enabled to be taxed. But then 417 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:48,120 Speaker 1: they said, oh, who is this esquire dude trying to 418 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:54,160 Speaker 1: take my thirty plus percent? Um? So how I I'm 419 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,640 Speaker 1: just interested here? When when a lot of these arguments 420 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 1: we're reading or in the mid ninth century, late nineteenth century, 421 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 1: when do you think this one came around? Let's say, 422 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 1: I'm gonna guess here. Okay, do I get a whole century? 423 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 1: That's a long time. Um, yeah, yeah, you get a 424 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:14,399 Speaker 1: whole century. It's up to you. Well, it's got to 425 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,879 Speaker 1: be the twentieth century. It probably probably right that it 426 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 1: came around then. It was argued as recently it's two 427 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 1: thousand and five. Wow. Really yep, in a case called 428 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 1: Campion versus Towns. It was a defense to a charge 429 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:34,360 Speaker 1: of tax evasion. Okay, so the next one is a 430 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 1: huge argument. I've seen this all over the place. You 431 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 1: can go on YouTube and find a ton of videos 432 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:43,919 Speaker 1: that argue about personal sovereignty or being a sovereign individual 433 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:48,239 Speaker 1: inside a state or a land, and or now they 434 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 1: even call him those natural individuals sometimes and they're basically 435 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 1: saying that they have not requested the things that would 436 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 1: come along with paying your taxes. They don't need to 437 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 1: use the Reese sources and the things that you gain 438 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 1: from paying taxes, therefore they don't have to pay for them. 439 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 1: So and when they say this, they mean stuff like 440 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 1: no food stamps, no unemployment insurance. Typically ignore the intangible 441 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 1: things like um, cleaner environment or general safety. Right, but 442 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 1: you know that's a hot that's a hot button topic 443 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 1: to sure. Yeah, but but there are I mean, there 444 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:29,159 Speaker 1: are intangible things all over the place. A good point. Um. Also, 445 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:33,959 Speaker 1: this has been rejected in numerous cases, just like the 446 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 1: federal zone thing. And oh one of the very last ones. 447 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 1: One argument that a lot of tax protesters make is 448 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 1: that the income of individuals is not taxable because income 449 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 1: should only mean corporate profits corporate gain. And as we 450 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 1: learned in one of our recent videos on corporate taxation, 451 00:28:54,600 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 1: the world of taxes and corporations is incredibly complex, and 452 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 1: some some companies managed to pay very little UM in 453 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 1: income tax for for corporations, which I think is at 454 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 1: what thirty is the standard. It's really interesting in a 455 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 1: research for that particular episode, you start to see more 456 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 1: of the gray areas in the corporations, which I hate 457 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 1: to say because generally I just get upset when I 458 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 1: imagine just the billions of dollars that companies corporations get 459 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 1: away with not paying taxes on. But then you look 460 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 1: around and some of the arguments that we found is 461 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 1: that they may be paying taxes, not necessarily in the US, 462 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 1: but outside to other states, to other countries. Yes, base 463 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 1: if something is based around the world and they're paying, 464 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 1: but it just it still feels somehow unjust. I think 465 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 1: one of the things that bothers a lot of people 466 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 1: is that we all know that the average Jane or 467 00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 1: John Doe and a small biz this will almost never 468 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 1: have an entire cadre of top gun level accountants who 469 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 1: are there too, uh to make sure that you don't 470 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 1: have to pay anything. And you know, one of the 471 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 1: big concerns that we raised that video is that after 472 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 1: a certain threshold, is it possible that corporations are sculpting 473 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 1: the laws through via things like ALEC and via other 474 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 1: lobbying initiatives. I think it's more than possible. I think 475 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 1: it's just the outright truth area. Um, So we've run 476 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 1: through some of the biggest tax conspiracy theories, and I 477 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 1: have got to applaud us for not going into the FED, 478 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 1: which is a whole different podcast. However, Matt, at this point, 479 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:50,360 Speaker 1: I have to ask you which of these sounds most 480 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 1: plausible if you had to pick one to go on court. 481 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 1: Oh man, oh, thank you for that question. Then I'll 482 00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 1: answer if I had to go in court and argue 483 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 1: for one of these, oh, I would probably. I don't know. 484 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 1: I like I like the freedom of speech one, as 485 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 1: silly as it sounds, just because I can actually see 486 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 1: the connection there. Um, but it's out there. I don't know. 487 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 1: You know what I would go with the Freeman argument. 488 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 1: I would do it. I want to do it. Matt 489 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 1: Frederick sovereign. Matt Frederick is not Matt Frederick the the 490 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 1: corporation or Matt Frederick the company. And uh, you know 491 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 1: it's oh yeah, going back to uh one of the 492 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 1: language things. That's that's fascinating because there are quite a 493 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 1: few separatist groups here in Georgia alone. You know, of 494 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:44,480 Speaker 1: course we're in the state of Georgia. Here in the US, 495 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 1: there are several separatist groups, one of which was, I 496 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 1: think the Sovereign Nation of Georgia. And these guys had 497 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 1: their own license plates, who are making their own ideas 498 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 1: and stuff. But these these separatist groups, especially in such 499 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,960 Speaker 1: a huge country, pop up more than you might think 500 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 1: if you just watch mainstream news, because of course mainstream 501 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 1: news is not going to give attention to that kind 502 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 1: of thing. Yeah, it's it's definitely, it's definitely suppressed, but 503 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 1: it definitely happens. And when those guys get busted, one 504 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,479 Speaker 1: of the things that get busted for is is that 505 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 1: argument I would go with. I would hedge my bets, 506 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 1: so I would I would get a religious belief or 507 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 1: live in a religious environment, you know, for a good year, right, 508 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 1: And then when it came time to pay my taxes, 509 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 1: I would say that I can't because of my religious beliefs. 510 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,720 Speaker 1: And even if I could, I'm protected by the Fifth Amendment. 511 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:44,680 Speaker 1: And then that's it. And if they ever asked me 512 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 1: what the religious beliefs are, hopefully I would have something. 513 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 1: But maybe I would just keep pleading the fifth. I 514 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,240 Speaker 1: cannot tell you, well, you just go keep going back. 515 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 1: So I I plead the fifth. Well, but I also 516 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:58,479 Speaker 1: plead the first, so I can't write anything down. I 517 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 1: refused to follow the first admit that due to the 518 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 1: fifth habend, that I will see that incriminate myself through 519 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 1: the freedom of speech. As silly as we're making it sound, 520 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 1: I I just like the fact that it would be 521 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 1: terribly annoying for anyone who's trying to try you just 522 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,320 Speaker 1: if you, you know, if you argued the Freeman argument, 523 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,920 Speaker 1: or you argued just any of those that are ridiculously complicated, 524 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,200 Speaker 1: and uh, I don't I think it would be fun. However, 525 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 1: if you're no neither of us, of course, or any 526 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 1: experts on taxation, UM, nor litigation. But we do know 527 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:37,000 Speaker 1: that there have been cases. Again, thank you to viewers 528 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 1: out there who let us know that there have been 529 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 1: cases wherein in a civil court a jury found that 530 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 1: someone had not committed a criminal act. This is not 531 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:53,320 Speaker 1: the same thing as something that sets a precedent with 532 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 1: a finding. Yeah, there's you know, a court of appeals 533 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 1: or something. This is this is entirely jury trials. But 534 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:05,080 Speaker 1: I was speaking more generally than I should have been 535 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,600 Speaker 1: when I said that it's never held up. It has 536 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:12,520 Speaker 1: not held up in cases where a judge is making 537 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:16,000 Speaker 1: the decision. UM. Thank you guys for listening. We do 538 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,839 Speaker 1: want to point out before we head out that we're 539 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,160 Speaker 1: treating this with a little bit of humor. But the 540 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:26,000 Speaker 1: truth of the matter is this, The Constitution of the 541 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:30,520 Speaker 1: United States is a living document, and the precedent of 542 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:37,359 Speaker 1: litigation only exists because people challenge laws. So I have 543 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:46,080 Speaker 1: immense respect for anyone who is honestly and sincerely going 544 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,800 Speaker 1: through the the entire hassle of a of a court 545 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:54,160 Speaker 1: system and risking the danger of imprisonment for something they 546 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 1: believe in. I don't think I don't think it is 547 00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:02,680 Speaker 1: inherently wrong to to challenge a law with which you disagree. 548 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:04,920 Speaker 1: That is part of the way the court system is 549 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,840 Speaker 1: supposed to work, right. Oh yeah, I applaud anyone that 550 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:12,319 Speaker 1: has you know, that decides they're gonna stand up and 551 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,720 Speaker 1: try and fight for what they believe in. Now, I 552 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:19,120 Speaker 1: I know that is also speaking generalizations. I know that 553 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:22,560 Speaker 1: that also potentially encompasses a lot of things with which 554 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:27,040 Speaker 1: I might not agree absolutely. But that's that's part of 555 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,480 Speaker 1: what we're supposed to be. Oh wait, we finally got 556 00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:32,440 Speaker 1: to say it. That's part of what your tax dollars 557 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,799 Speaker 1: pay for. Is the right to uh, is the right 558 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,160 Speaker 1: to raise those concerns and uh, you know, if you 559 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,440 Speaker 1: are in a jury case, you don't know the the 560 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:45,520 Speaker 1: other twelve people may say, hey, that guy's got a point. 561 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:49,480 Speaker 1: In my case, they would say, hey, that guy with 562 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,640 Speaker 1: his weird religion, because I'm just gonna make one up. 563 00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,880 Speaker 1: He has a point. He shouldn't have to incriminate himself. 564 00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:57,759 Speaker 1: And then I'll say, hey, do you guys want to 565 00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:59,839 Speaker 1: join my cult? And then I'll say hey, you ever 566 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:04,000 Speaker 1: of jury nullification? And they'll be like, oh, yeah, didn't 567 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,640 Speaker 1: that guy get arrested for passing out information about jury ualification? 568 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:13,200 Speaker 1: Um Jury nullification is the idea that a jury can careful, 569 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:19,200 Speaker 1: be careful, Ben, I don't know, are you serious? Yeah, well, 570 00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,759 Speaker 1: maybe it's a story for another day. We'll look. You 571 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,239 Speaker 1: can look up jury nullification. In the meantime, you can 572 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,880 Speaker 1: probably also find some stuff on our website about it. 573 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,000 Speaker 1: We are stuff they don't want you to know dot com. 574 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,239 Speaker 1: We hope you enjoyed this episode. We hope that you 575 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:37,600 Speaker 1: hit us up on Facebook and Twitter. 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