WEBVTT - Was Atlantis a real place? 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:02.840 Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve camera. 0:00:03.160 --> 0:00:07.520 It's ready. Are you welcome to Stuff you should know 0:00:08.119 --> 0:00:16.400 from House Stuff Works dot Com. Hey, and welcome to 0:00:16.440 --> 0:00:19.520 the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, back in the saddle again 0:00:19.640 --> 0:00:23.759 with Charles W. Chuck Bryant. We share a horse, we do. 0:00:24.120 --> 0:00:26.520 I have a horse side car. Actually, if it's a 0:00:26.520 --> 0:00:31.000 small mule, yeah, that's attached to your horse. Yeah, and 0:00:31.040 --> 0:00:34.400 I have to lean into the corners. It's more of 0:00:34.440 --> 0:00:40.320 a hay cart than a side car. Okay, Back in 0:00:40.360 --> 0:00:43.040 the saddle, meaning we are back from Texas and back 0:00:43.040 --> 0:00:46.160 in the recording booth for the first time in two weeks. Yeah, 0:00:46.200 --> 0:00:49.720 it feels nice, dude to be back in this smelly, little, 0:00:49.960 --> 0:00:53.000 dimly lit room. Yeah, it's strangely at least it's not 0:00:53.080 --> 0:00:59.240 like blood colored, you know. Yeah, man, that'd be weird. Um. 0:00:59.280 --> 0:01:03.880 So Chuck, Okay, yes, I guess we should get started. Huh. 0:01:03.960 --> 0:01:06.560 You don't have an intro? Well, I I mean I 0:01:06.600 --> 0:01:09.920 was gonna use the intro. Was the intro? Go ahead? Then? 0:01:10.120 --> 0:01:12.800 Have you have you ever heard of a place called Atlantis? 0:01:13.640 --> 0:01:16.240 I have? Are you? Are you read like the Dean 0:01:16.440 --> 0:01:20.880 the Triangle? The vacation getaway. No, we're like Britney Spears 0:01:20.880 --> 0:01:23.039 stayed for free for like a month when they opened 0:01:23.040 --> 0:01:26.200 and try to generate. I'm sure they were packing a 0:01:26.240 --> 0:01:29.720 minute after that. I think they have been. I don't know. 0:01:29.920 --> 0:01:34.959 I can't. I can't discuss the financial a state of Atlantis, 0:01:35.040 --> 0:01:37.440 the resort in the Bahamas. But what I can discuss 0:01:37.880 --> 0:01:42.240 is Atlantis, the possibly fictitious place. Yeah, I'm gonna go 0:01:42.280 --> 0:01:45.440 ahead and go on record as fictitious, are you well? 0:01:45.480 --> 0:01:47.640 After reading this and by the way, this was awesome, 0:01:47.880 --> 0:01:52.360 I had no idea about the secret surprise that's coming. 0:01:53.400 --> 0:01:56.240 Which one, well, the the other place, the real place? 0:01:56.480 --> 0:01:59.360 Oh gotcha? Okay, which I've meant to ask you before 0:01:59.400 --> 0:02:01.280 how we pronounce that? But we'll just get to that 0:02:01.280 --> 0:02:04.120 and I'll let you say it first. But yeah, I'm 0:02:04.160 --> 0:02:08.720 gonna say it's fictitious and based on that, Okay, I 0:02:08.760 --> 0:02:12.040 think I kind of go with that too, mainly because 0:02:12.440 --> 0:02:15.600 one of the things about Plato is, uh, he was 0:02:15.639 --> 0:02:19.239 the only person ever mentioned Atlantis. Plenty of people have 0:02:19.400 --> 0:02:22.720 mentioned it after him, but it was based on what 0:02:22.800 --> 0:02:26.200 he said, which kind of makes you think, like, okay, 0:02:26.240 --> 0:02:32.119 is this um, this is an allegory. Probably it's about wickedness. Yeah. 0:02:32.160 --> 0:02:35.080 What was his book in to Mas Yeah, that was 0:02:35.120 --> 0:02:39.040 the book where we first mentioned it, and it was 0:02:39.080 --> 0:02:42.120 written in three sixty b C. And to Manus is 0:02:42.160 --> 0:02:45.360 one of his dialogues, I believe. And Plato has a 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:49.000 thing where he likes to take real places, real people, 0:02:49.560 --> 0:02:53.960 real events, and then just kinda use some literary license. 0:02:54.480 --> 0:02:57.200 He's a philosopher, Okay, yeah he was. He was not 0:02:58.440 --> 0:03:04.080 a documentarian of real things, right, Um. But along the 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:09.480 way somewhere that idea got lost, right right. So for example, 0:03:09.760 --> 0:03:12.960 Sodom and Gomora. I I would wager that a lot 0:03:13.000 --> 0:03:17.160 of people think that Sodom and Gomorrah something really happened, 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:22.519 and then um it was it was taken. Eventually it 0:03:22.600 --> 0:03:26.600 was used as allegory that these people were punished by God. Um, 0:03:26.639 --> 0:03:29.359 but really, you know, something really bad happened to him, 0:03:29.400 --> 0:03:32.600 and somebody decided, hey, this is a great, great chance 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:35.600 to use this as a life lesson for everyone. So 0:03:36.080 --> 0:03:39.600 there's a really strong possibility that Plato did the same thing, 0:03:39.720 --> 0:03:44.360 because as he describes Atlantis, um, they they had gotten 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:49.240 kind of hubristic. I guess it does mimic other things 0:03:49.240 --> 0:03:52.000 in the Bible. That's sure it does. And um, the 0:03:52.280 --> 0:03:55.360 great god Poseidon, who is the god of the sea 0:03:55.440 --> 0:03:58.840 and of earthquakes, decided that he was kind of tired 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:02.840 of the people of Atlantis, which was the seat of 0:04:02.840 --> 0:04:06.760 a cult that worshiped him. Right, so he, using the 0:04:06.880 --> 0:04:10.960 techniques at hand, sent he created He's he, I guess, 0:04:10.960 --> 0:04:15.640 created an earthquake that generated a tsunami that sunk Atlantis 0:04:15.680 --> 0:04:18.520 beneath the waves, lost forever. Yeah. I think the quote 0:04:18.520 --> 0:04:20.680 from the book was sank into the sea in a 0:04:20.760 --> 0:04:23.760 single day and night of misfortune. Yeah, that's putting it 0:04:23.839 --> 0:04:27.720 lightly so. And he placed it too, didn't he? Actually? Yeah, 0:04:27.720 --> 0:04:30.480 where off Spain the Pillars of Hercules, which is now 0:04:30.480 --> 0:04:32.840 called the Strait of Gibraltar. And there's people looking in 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:39.600 Spain now, right, I think legitimate bona fide archaeologists. They're 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:44.520 fun Yeah. So um so Plato. I guess part of 0:04:44.520 --> 0:04:47.760 the problem is he's he's saying, like, yes, this this 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:51.160 was that the Strait of Gibraltar in his parlance at 0:04:51.200 --> 0:04:54.040 the time. He's saying, is that the Straight of Gibraltar. 0:04:54.440 --> 0:04:59.240 The problem is is that Atlantis was this magnificent ringed city, um, 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:04.279 and it had like fantastic technology and architecture, and it 0:05:04.360 --> 0:05:07.920 was just an amazingly advanced place. But he also says 0:05:08.000 --> 0:05:12.599 that this has happened nine thousand years ago, right, right, 0:05:12.640 --> 0:05:16.120 so nine thousand years before him, So they're aliens. Well 0:05:16.160 --> 0:05:19.960 that was that is thanks to a guy named Ignacious Donnally. 0:05:20.640 --> 0:05:23.239 So this guy, so Plato writes about Atlantis, goes about 0:05:23.240 --> 0:05:27.120 his business, right, and apparently nobody back then took it seriously. 0:05:27.279 --> 0:05:30.640 And that's like modern man were the first people to say, oh, 0:05:30.720 --> 0:05:33.760 maybe there wasn't Atlantis. Yeah, back in the day, everyone's like, 0:05:34.160 --> 0:05:36.600 it's just Plato going off again. Right, it was this 0:05:36.640 --> 0:05:40.760 one guy, Ignacious Donnally. Can lay it all at his feet, jerk, 0:05:40.960 --> 0:05:43.320 because in eighteen eighty two he published a book called 0:05:43.360 --> 0:05:48.040 Atlantis The Antidiluvian World, and in it he's saying, Okay, 0:05:48.440 --> 0:05:52.599 the Azores, the Zories, man, I wish i'd put that 0:05:52.640 --> 0:05:55.120 one up, and I think that's right. Um, the islands 0:05:55.120 --> 0:05:57.680 in the middle of the Atlantic. That's actually the highest 0:05:57.720 --> 0:06:01.279 peaks of the highest mountaintops of Atlanta tists. And wait 0:06:01.320 --> 0:06:06.800 there's more. Uh, the incredibly advanced civilizations in Egypt and 0:06:06.960 --> 0:06:11.000 high up in the Andes of Peru, pre inca. Um. 0:06:11.000 --> 0:06:14.200 Those were colonies set forth by Atlantis that survived because 0:06:14.240 --> 0:06:18.400 they weren't there for the sinking of Atlantis. So basically, um, 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:21.160 we have civilization to thank We have Atlantis to thank 0:06:21.200 --> 0:06:24.080 for civilization. The problem is all this is totally unfounded, 0:06:24.160 --> 0:06:29.200 but it just kicked off the um occultization of Atlantis. Yeah. 0:06:29.320 --> 0:06:33.680 It's been placed everywhere from uh, South China, see the Caribbean, 0:06:33.800 --> 0:06:40.120 the Pacific, the Indian Ocean, the Canary Islands, Antarctica, supposedly Switzerland. Yeah. 0:06:40.120 --> 0:06:42.200 I didn't chase that one down, but I saw somewhere 0:06:42.200 --> 0:06:46.000 that somebody said Switzerland ahead and say everywhere. Yeah, everywhere, 0:06:46.200 --> 0:06:49.839 Atlantis is everywhere. There's um Edgar Casey, who is known 0:06:49.920 --> 0:06:53.240 as the Sleeping Prophet of Virginia Beach, who's a psychic 0:06:53.800 --> 0:06:57.480 he um. He said that Atlantis stretched from the Gulf 0:06:57.480 --> 0:07:01.760 of Mexico to Spain, and that the Bermuda Triangle there 0:07:01.760 --> 0:07:03.919 are a lot of you know, if there is mystery 0:07:03.920 --> 0:07:07.760 in the Bermuda Triangle, it's due to Atlantis is energy crystals, 0:07:07.960 --> 0:07:09.920 I will say though. He said it would rise off 0:07:10.320 --> 0:07:13.440 Beminy and then when they discovered the Bemini Road, Everyone's 0:07:13.480 --> 0:07:16.640 like see there, and then it's too bad Cherry's not 0:07:16.680 --> 0:07:20.120 here because she's like I dove the Beminy Road. Yeah, guests, 0:07:20.160 --> 0:07:22.920 producer Maddie's in the house, Hey, Matt, we didn't mention that. 0:07:23.560 --> 0:07:28.160 Um So, once Donnelly comes along and kind of takes 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:31.840 up the mantle of searching for Atlantis and making it 0:07:31.880 --> 0:07:35.240 as far out as possible, it just becomes more and 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:41.480 more the domain of like fringe dwellers. Right, sure, but 0:07:41.560 --> 0:07:45.840 that is not to say that there aren't legitimate archaeologists 0:07:46.120 --> 0:07:50.000 searching for something like Atlantis. That that doesn't mean that 0:07:50.080 --> 0:07:55.080 there isn't something that inspired Plato, and we probably know 0:07:55.280 --> 0:07:58.400 what that is. Actually, that's where my money is. And 0:07:58.400 --> 0:08:00.040 now you're gonna make me say it, even though I 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:06.920 asked you to say it. Hilaki haliki, hiliki, haliki, haliki, Yeah, okay, 0:08:07.040 --> 0:08:11.880 haliki spelled he like, yeah, Um, I saw some weird 0:08:11.920 --> 0:08:14.760 pronunciation things that I didn't understand when I looked it up, 0:08:15.040 --> 0:08:16.560 so I just figured i'd hear it from you. That 0:08:16.640 --> 0:08:21.880 was Greek to you, it was indeed, um So, yeah, 0:08:21.960 --> 0:08:24.360 the cats out of the bag. As far as I'm concerned, 0:08:24.440 --> 0:08:31.760 it is hiliki. It was a super interesting story though. Um, 0:08:31.800 --> 0:08:35.760 this was well documented by lots of people, not not 0:08:35.960 --> 0:08:39.439 like a single source like Plato single made up so exactly. 0:08:39.520 --> 0:08:42.079 And it was a lost Greek city. It suffered a 0:08:42.120 --> 0:08:47.200 fate much like Atlantis supposedly did. Yeah. So Haliki was 0:08:47.280 --> 0:08:52.040 this um very powerful city in ancient Greece on the 0:08:52.040 --> 0:08:56.040 Gulf corinth Um, very nice in that area. Yeah, yeah, 0:08:56.080 --> 0:09:00.240 I imagine have you been? No, I want to go. Um. 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:02.680 It was powerful enough to have its own colonies. So 0:09:02.720 --> 0:09:05.960 I mentioned if Atlanta had colonies in like Germany, this 0:09:06.120 --> 0:09:09.360 is very much the case for Haliki, and it was 0:09:09.400 --> 0:09:12.160 the seat of power for a twelve city league called 0:09:12.160 --> 0:09:15.400 the Achaian League, which is kind of like the Confederacy 0:09:15.480 --> 0:09:18.360 in the South. Will that be like having a bar 0:09:19.080 --> 0:09:21.680 in a different city that's like your home bar, like 0:09:21.760 --> 0:09:24.200 you know they have like it's usually football based. There's 0:09:24.200 --> 0:09:28.000 like a New York Jets bar Atlanta, Pittsburgh Steelers bar 0:09:28.040 --> 0:09:31.160 in Atlanta. Maybe that the same thing. I thought it 0:09:31.240 --> 0:09:34.040 was more like the capital of like a number of states. 0:09:35.520 --> 0:09:37.360 I don't think it's the same thing, but I like 0:09:37.520 --> 0:09:42.240 that analogy. I'm just being coy. Um. So the the 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:45.040 a key in league now I've just realized that I 0:09:45.200 --> 0:09:50.800 missed something. Now that's a joke. Yeah. So the the 0:09:50.840 --> 0:09:53.640 Haliki is the city or the center of the a 0:09:53.720 --> 0:09:57.520 keen league get controlled, like the shipping around there. By 0:09:57.559 --> 0:10:00.440 the time Plato came about, it was hundreds of years old, 0:10:00.440 --> 0:10:05.960 already a very active port. They had their own coinage. Yeah, 0:10:06.000 --> 0:10:07.920 and and it looked very cool too. I looked up 0:10:07.960 --> 0:10:13.720 the coins like dolphins and Poseidon and yeah, pitch or 0:10:13.760 --> 0:10:17.280 not pitchforks, what they call the tridents tridents, and it 0:10:17.360 --> 0:10:20.160 was it had Poseidon on the coin because this was 0:10:20.280 --> 0:10:24.280 like the seat of a cult of Poseidon. Yeah, just 0:10:24.400 --> 0:10:29.480 like Atlantis exactly. And um it was had a very prominent, 0:10:29.559 --> 0:10:34.600 well known statue of Poseidon, just like Atlantis. Right, that's right. 0:10:34.720 --> 0:10:37.640 So the similarities are starting to mount up, they are, 0:10:37.760 --> 0:10:40.600 and uh, they really mount in a big way in 0:10:40.720 --> 0:10:46.960 December of three seventy three BC, when the townspeople started noticing, 0:10:47.120 --> 0:10:50.280 Wait a minute, all these small animals are scurring for 0:10:50.320 --> 0:10:53.640 the hills and that's never a good sign. Because we 0:10:53.679 --> 0:10:56.360 did talk about in another podcast how animals can sense 0:10:56.800 --> 0:10:59.840 underground tremmors. I had to have been in how earthquakes 0:10:59.840 --> 0:11:02.240 were Yeah, I think that's what it was. And sure enough, 0:11:02.559 --> 0:11:04.680 earthquake came in the middle of the night on the 0:11:04.720 --> 0:11:09.079 fifth day, and that was followed by an enormous wave 0:11:09.800 --> 0:11:13.920 and just like that overnight, just like Atlantis, it was 0:11:14.080 --> 0:11:17.040 submerged to the bottom of the sea. Well not the 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:21.719 bottom but no, and not necessarily the sea either. As 0:11:21.720 --> 0:11:25.320 we'll see, this is getting more mysterious. So, um, so 0:11:25.360 --> 0:11:28.240 this really happened. This is pretty Uh, it was a 0:11:28.240 --> 0:11:33.160 pretty well known event. UM. One of the there, I 0:11:33.200 --> 0:11:36.120 guess we should say there were no survivors, like people 0:11:36.120 --> 0:11:40.520 from the surrounding cities got together, like um, a search party, 0:11:40.960 --> 0:11:44.200 a rescue party, UM, that set out at dawn just 0:11:44.240 --> 0:11:48.120 a few hours after this happened, and there was well 0:11:48.160 --> 0:11:50.280 I think they got they walked as far as they 0:11:50.320 --> 0:11:53.280 couldn't were like, oh yeah, well, there's now like a 0:11:53.400 --> 0:11:57.120 sea where there used to be this, This Um city's gone. 0:11:57.120 --> 0:11:59.600 There was no one there apparently. The only thing visible 0:12:00.000 --> 0:12:03.960 where the tops of Um the trees in Poseidon's Sacred grove. 0:12:05.040 --> 0:12:07.600 I would guess, all of the trees. Yeah uh. And 0:12:07.600 --> 0:12:09.880 there were ten ships and this will come up later too, 0:12:09.960 --> 0:12:12.520 from Sparta that were a dock there in the port 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:15.360 and they were gone as well, just gone, and that 0:12:15.400 --> 0:12:19.800 will play an important part here coming up soon. Yeah. So, um, 0:12:20.200 --> 0:12:24.640 imagine like there's a city, it's a very powerful, rich city, 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:27.720 and you live out in the boondocks and you just 0:12:27.840 --> 0:12:29.520 know something happened there as an earthquake, so you go 0:12:29.559 --> 0:12:31.520 to check on the city, and then the city's gone, 0:12:31.520 --> 0:12:34.040 and it's just silence, and there's ten ships that aren't 0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:37.720 there anymore. Everything is just gone. Creepy. What was even 0:12:37.720 --> 0:12:41.000 creepier though, is you could look down into the city 0:12:41.080 --> 0:12:44.000 underwater and see it all there still, Yeah, including the 0:12:44.080 --> 0:12:47.440 statue of Poseidon, which apparently still stood erect and in 0:12:47.520 --> 0:12:52.400 place right, and local fishermen and ferryman um reported having 0:12:52.400 --> 0:12:55.199 their nets get caught in Poseidon statue all the time, 0:12:55.200 --> 0:12:58.880 which is kind of ironic. Yeah, but um, so you 0:12:58.920 --> 0:13:02.920 could see leaky for hundreds of years, which is one 0:13:02.920 --> 0:13:05.679 of the reasons why it's so well documented, because they 0:13:05.679 --> 0:13:07.440 were it was kind of like have you heard of 0:13:07.480 --> 0:13:12.000 than of tourism, dark tourism or death tourism, So um, 0:13:12.040 --> 0:13:14.640 it was kind of like an early version of a 0:13:14.720 --> 0:13:21.240 dark tourism site, like yeah, exactly, um, and you could 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:24.560 go check it out and travelers and writers and scholars didn't. 0:13:24.600 --> 0:13:31.000 They documented what they saw um pretty pretty um specifically too. 0:13:32.160 --> 0:13:35.040 Like in Stadia, they said, well, here's the this is 0:13:35.080 --> 0:13:37.800 where the city is now, this is where it was 0:13:37.840 --> 0:13:41.320 in relation to you know this river, that river. So 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:45.400 like the sources are pretty pretty abundant, and they're pretty specific. 0:13:46.040 --> 0:13:51.760 Speaking of abundant and rivers and sources, look at you. Uh, 0:13:52.679 --> 0:13:56.080 that area was was unique in that it had these 0:13:56.240 --> 0:14:00.559 three rivers that met there bringing fresh water in. So 0:14:00.640 --> 0:14:03.360 you've got some good freshwater, you got some good seawater 0:14:03.440 --> 0:14:07.320 with tons of good seafood. You've got very rich land 0:14:07.400 --> 0:14:09.760 for crops, Wh've got irrigation because we've got the freshwater. 0:14:10.280 --> 0:14:13.200 The weather is gorgeous. So it's right here on on 0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:15.760 the lovely seaside, and that's what made it and on 0:14:15.840 --> 0:14:18.959 the ideal spot for people to say, hey, maybe we 0:14:18.960 --> 0:14:21.240 should settle down here. Yeah, let's hanging out here for 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:24.760 a while, get fat on shrimp. Unfortunately, it's also a 0:14:24.800 --> 0:14:28.040 bad spot because there are two fault lines that run 0:14:28.080 --> 0:14:31.800 parallel through the area, and uh, they haven't been known 0:14:31.840 --> 0:14:34.440 to call some major disruption over the years, like the 0:14:34.480 --> 0:14:39.040 earthquake that destroyed Hiliki and generated the tsunami. So it's 0:14:39.120 --> 0:14:41.960 it's kind of like this whole place is like made 0:14:42.240 --> 0:14:46.160 to produce a lost city, right, Yeah, because there's other 0:14:46.200 --> 0:14:51.080 places around the world, um, where there's violent tectonic activity 0:14:51.120 --> 0:14:53.400 and its coastal, so that means that it's in danger 0:14:53.440 --> 0:14:59.640 of a tsunami. California not with tesunami, I don't think. Japan. Yeah, um, 0:14:59.760 --> 0:15:05.040 the Malaysian tsunami two four. Um, Yeah, there's a lot 0:15:05.080 --> 0:15:08.240 of places. But to produce a so that's that will 0:15:08.320 --> 0:15:11.200 ruin a coastal city, right, yes, but for it to 0:15:11.240 --> 0:15:14.800 become lost, it has to be covered up somehow, and 0:15:14.920 --> 0:15:19.480 Hiliki is in a really unique situation for this because 0:15:19.480 --> 0:15:22.400 of those three rivers that form the Hiliki Delta where 0:15:22.480 --> 0:15:27.320 Hiliki was situated. Right, So you've got the earthquake, you've 0:15:27.320 --> 0:15:30.440 got the tsunami, so you have a ruined city now submerged, 0:15:30.680 --> 0:15:33.480 and then these three rivers bring a lot of silt 0:15:33.720 --> 0:15:37.240 to the area and so eventually Hiliki was covered up 0:15:37.240 --> 0:15:39.760 over over the centuries. Yeah. You put it in the 0:15:39.880 --> 0:15:43.600 article about how if you bought a house or not 0:15:43.680 --> 0:15:46.040 bought a house, let's say, built a house along the 0:15:46.080 --> 0:15:49.520 shore in eight nine it would be a thousand feet inland, 0:15:50.120 --> 0:15:54.440 which imagine is quite a rub for people that build 0:15:54.440 --> 0:15:57.040 that lovely house right on the water, because within a 0:15:57.120 --> 0:16:00.480 century or so, it's gonna be a couple of streets 0:16:00.520 --> 0:16:02.680 back and there's like tin jerks in front of you 0:16:03.040 --> 0:16:05.920 that have built houses exactly. And it's kind of like 0:16:06.160 --> 0:16:10.560 what's that game where you like leap frog? Oh yeah, 0:16:10.600 --> 0:16:13.920 I can say monopoly where you build bigger houses than 0:16:13.920 --> 0:16:17.200 the other guy. Oh yeah, that would have worked too. Um. 0:16:17.280 --> 0:16:20.640 So you've got the tsunamis, you've got the river, you've 0:16:20.640 --> 0:16:25.680 got the the silt. You also have um, the delta 0:16:25.760 --> 0:16:30.520 itself because of this violent activity, UM is moving up there. 0:16:30.520 --> 0:16:34.560 Finding over time it's it's rising. So you have a 0:16:34.720 --> 0:16:38.520 rising delta which is low, like right at sea level, 0:16:39.160 --> 0:16:43.080 but it's it's getting bigger, and silt is piling it 0:16:43.160 --> 0:16:47.000 up and making dry ground even further jut out into 0:16:47.040 --> 0:16:49.400 the coast. Well, what it made was a nice little 0:16:49.400 --> 0:16:54.200 surprise for archaeologists, and I imagine archaeologists just went berserk 0:16:54.400 --> 0:16:57.120 with this place. Yeah, they had no idea. They just 0:16:57.160 --> 0:16:59.920 thought Hliki itself was there. They knew it was there, 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:03.160 and that they suspected it would be kind of like 0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:08.680 a Pompeii, but even more. Um they considered it even 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:13.800 more vital to archaeology, the archaeological record than Pompeii even Well, 0:17:13.800 --> 0:17:15.879 what they found though is, you know, Josh, but we're 0:17:15.920 --> 0:17:20.160 gonna spring it on you now, is six other distinct 0:17:20.200 --> 0:17:25.280 occupied horizons besides six other ones are seven total, sixth total, 0:17:25.480 --> 0:17:29.960 six total, five others besides Laki underneath one on top 0:17:30.000 --> 0:17:33.960 of the other that had been settled and civilized and 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:36.560 wiped out and covered up and like just kind of 0:17:36.720 --> 0:17:39.760 captured in time. That is crazy. Yeah, which one? What 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:42.440 were they? So? There was one from the Byzantine period, 0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:45.040 which was pretty long. I think it ran from two 0:17:45.600 --> 0:17:50.080 d to the fifte century UM. And then beneath that 0:17:50.160 --> 0:17:53.960 there is a Roman ruin which is from the second 0:17:54.000 --> 0:17:56.840 to the fourth a D. And that one even features 0:17:56.840 --> 0:18:00.399 a Roman road, which is the road that try velers 0:18:00.400 --> 0:18:03.240 and writers used to come look at Hiliki the ruins 0:18:04.040 --> 0:18:08.320 um and that one also chucked. This just blows in 0:18:08.400 --> 0:18:10.919 my mind. It's so captured in time that there's a 0:18:11.000 --> 0:18:17.280 human skeleton a top a like a cattle skull that 0:18:17.480 --> 0:18:20.840 like it was knocked on top of this beast and 0:18:20.960 --> 0:18:25.080 killed like by rock and rubble and just kept there. 0:18:25.359 --> 0:18:29.239 So there's skeletons are intertwined now in that nuts. So 0:18:29.280 --> 0:18:33.639 the Roman cities on top of Hiliki than beneath Hileaky, Uh, 0:18:33.760 --> 0:18:36.480 they found even more stuff. They found a settlement from 0:18:36.480 --> 0:18:43.280 the Bronze Age b C. And before that they kept 0:18:43.280 --> 0:18:49.000 digging and found uh, prehistoric Neolithic period civilization possibly as 0:18:49.000 --> 0:18:51.960 old as twelve thousand years. I wonder if there's something 0:18:52.000 --> 0:18:55.000 beneath that even I don't know. This makes me think 0:18:55.080 --> 0:18:57.639 they should start digging in Los Angeles or other like 0:18:58.160 --> 0:19:01.520 seaside retreats to see what you could find. Well, there's 0:19:01.520 --> 0:19:06.760 a whole um. There's this whole idea, especially among atlantis hunters, 0:19:06.800 --> 0:19:10.760 that it's extremely intuitive because of rising sea levels that 0:19:10.840 --> 0:19:14.720 anything that was established around the last I Sage or 0:19:14.720 --> 0:19:17.560 even at about the end of it, the sea levels 0:19:17.560 --> 0:19:20.320 have ridged in like more than a hundred feet since then. 0:19:20.840 --> 0:19:24.880 So any coastal cities now underwater, that's like a big, 0:19:25.000 --> 0:19:28.399 big thing that they hunt for. Now that archaeologists are 0:19:28.440 --> 0:19:31.679 kind of starting to try to get into is um 0:19:31.680 --> 0:19:36.399 looking for human habitation underwater, Like there's this whole area 0:19:37.080 --> 0:19:41.679 off of whales. I think Northern Wales, Northern Ireland, maybe 0:19:42.000 --> 0:19:46.000 Um or Scotland. Anyway, it's called dogger Land and it's 0:19:46.040 --> 0:19:48.760 like just the submerged area that used to be above 0:19:48.840 --> 0:19:52.800 ground and they're they're they're finding like Neolithic settlements there 0:19:53.320 --> 0:19:56.000 and that cool. Well, and you know, the earth has 0:19:56.080 --> 0:19:58.840 changed so much over the course of its existence that 0:19:59.400 --> 0:20:02.720 what's here didn't used to be here, and what was 0:20:02.800 --> 0:20:05.800 there was something else, and so yeah, I think it's 0:20:05.840 --> 0:20:08.600 there's no telling what's down there, but that that idea 0:20:08.640 --> 0:20:12.040 and the fact that you can find neolithic settlements under 0:20:12.040 --> 0:20:17.000 water supports, ironically the notion that there could be something 0:20:17.040 --> 0:20:22.520 like Atlantis that's lost somewhere Heliki. Right. So yeah, so 0:20:22.600 --> 0:20:25.680 these guys they found this this um area, and once 0:20:25.720 --> 0:20:29.720 they found Hiliki, it all started to They just it 0:20:29.840 --> 0:20:33.440 was like jack pot, jackpot, jackpot. But finding Hiliki itself, 0:20:33.680 --> 0:20:37.520 um proved a little more difficult than they thought, especially 0:20:37.800 --> 0:20:41.080 considering all the documentation they had. Yeah, they knew supposedly 0:20:41.160 --> 0:20:44.000 knew where it was, quote unquote like it's not like 0:20:44.040 --> 0:20:46.199 they were searching for a needle in a haystack. They 0:20:46.200 --> 0:20:50.040 were searching for like, uh, like a pool qu in 0:20:50.040 --> 0:20:54.600 a haystack, you know. Uh. So in the late eighties 0:20:54.960 --> 0:20:57.639 a couple of Cornell professors started looking for it for 0:20:57.720 --> 0:21:01.680 real z s and uh They had a little bit 0:21:01.680 --> 0:21:06.600 of misinterpretation, um for the word for the translation for 0:21:06.640 --> 0:21:08.480 body of water, and lucky enough, they had a Greek 0:21:08.520 --> 0:21:11.399 woman with them. Well she's one of the Cornelli professors. 0:21:11.440 --> 0:21:14.600 Oh she was. Yeah. Well then lucky that she was Greek, 0:21:15.040 --> 0:21:17.320 Well yeah, because she translates. She was like, wait a minute, 0:21:17.440 --> 0:21:19.400 She's like, it may not be in the Gulf after all, 0:21:19.480 --> 0:21:23.080 it maybe inland. And they were like, yeah, everybody had 0:21:23.119 --> 0:21:26.120 been thinking that this was the Gulf had swallowed him, 0:21:26.320 --> 0:21:28.399 swallowed up the city, which would makes sense, right. It 0:21:28.440 --> 0:21:31.200 turns out it was an inland lagoon that did. So. 0:21:31.560 --> 0:21:33.560 I think it was very much akin to the you know, 0:21:33.600 --> 0:21:37.600 the Noah's Ark episode we just did. Yeah, um, what 0:21:37.760 --> 0:21:40.520 is it? The Dead Sea? I think where they think 0:21:40.560 --> 0:21:43.760 that the Dead Sea used to be freshwater. Now it's 0:21:44.280 --> 0:21:48.560 salt water, because that's evidence of the flood happening. And 0:21:48.600 --> 0:21:53.920 probably what they think is the Mediterranean overwhelmed the straight 0:21:54.160 --> 0:21:59.400 I can't remember what's straight it was. You're searching the reaches. Yeah, anyway, 0:21:59.680 --> 0:22:01.359 I think give as much the same way, like the 0:22:01.400 --> 0:22:05.520 city used to be around a lagoon, and then the 0:22:05.600 --> 0:22:08.640 lagoon got a lot bigger, thus swallowing the city. Right, 0:22:08.680 --> 0:22:10.959 So they looked under land, and all of a sudden 0:22:10.960 --> 0:22:14.000 they had to ditch their scuba gear for shovels, and 0:22:14.359 --> 0:22:17.639 they found the first Roman city. The first ruins were like, 0:22:17.680 --> 0:22:21.440 wait a minute, twelve feet just twelve feet below the land, 0:22:22.000 --> 0:22:24.080 which doesn't seem like that far at all. No, it's 0:22:24.119 --> 0:22:26.760 not because the Roman rumors were like four or five ft. Yeah, 0:22:26.800 --> 0:22:29.399 I wouldn't think that someone would have accidentally found it 0:22:30.320 --> 0:22:33.240 before that even you know, well that kicked it off. 0:22:33.280 --> 0:22:36.800 There was a German archaeologists who was traveling in the 0:22:36.840 --> 0:22:40.560 area and found a Hliky coin with poseidon on and 0:22:40.720 --> 0:22:44.120 was like, holy cow, this is significant. So I think 0:22:44.119 --> 0:22:47.919 that's kind of how it started. Yeah, so they found 0:22:48.359 --> 0:22:50.720 have found a lot of stuff since then, um buildings, 0:22:51.160 --> 0:22:57.199 industrial buildings, kilns, looms, intersecting streets. Yeah, with buildings along 0:22:57.240 --> 0:23:01.560 these streets like a real city. Yeah. What else? The coins, 0:23:01.600 --> 0:23:06.199 of course, um jugs, jugs with their original contents, and 0:23:06.200 --> 0:23:09.120 those are from the Bronze Age. They found a storehouse 0:23:09.840 --> 0:23:13.840 of like jugs of different sizes and types from the 0:23:13.840 --> 0:23:17.080 Bronze Age, so we're talking like five thousand years old. 0:23:18.440 --> 0:23:21.280 They don't have any idea about these civilizations, but this 0:23:21.359 --> 0:23:25.200 was contemporary to like ancient Troy, which itself was considered 0:23:25.200 --> 0:23:30.320 a legendary city until hiring Schleiman found it. Um. So 0:23:31.160 --> 0:23:35.879 they just finding this stuff is amazingly awesome because and 0:23:35.920 --> 0:23:39.960 there's more, yeah, there is supposedly, yes, So they think 0:23:39.960 --> 0:23:43.720 that they found the outskirts of Hliki and that they 0:23:43.840 --> 0:23:46.919 there's a lot more left, and that it's intact. Oh, 0:23:46.960 --> 0:23:49.920 they're not actually at Hiliki yet. No, they're in Hiliki, 0:23:50.000 --> 0:23:53.159 but they're not in the city center. They don't, so 0:23:53.200 --> 0:23:56.840 they're just out in the outskirts. That's what they think. Yeah. Um. 0:23:56.920 --> 0:23:59.760 And when they were looking for Hiliki out in the gulf, 0:23:59.840 --> 0:24:03.439 they found something cool too, didn't they. I don't think 0:24:03.480 --> 0:24:05.480 I know this, you do know it. They found a 0:24:05.560 --> 0:24:09.880 sea wall acent sea walls of the city. And they 0:24:09.920 --> 0:24:12.440 also found what they think are the ten Spartan ship. 0:24:12.560 --> 0:24:14.200 Oh yeah, that's right. I thought you were going to 0:24:14.240 --> 0:24:16.920 say the Statue of Poseidon. That would be like, well, 0:24:16.920 --> 0:24:19.040 they'll find an eventually, the motherload. If they found that 0:24:19.080 --> 0:24:23.040 things still standing upright under the earth. So they keep following. 0:24:23.160 --> 0:24:26.560 They started by following the Roman road, so they're basically 0:24:26.640 --> 0:24:30.000 they're unearthing like imagine this, dude. They're unearthing like three 0:24:30.040 --> 0:24:34.439 lost cities at once. Isn't that insane? Do you know? What? 0:24:34.560 --> 0:24:38.280 Like an archaeological treasure trove that is, So they're unearthing them. 0:24:38.320 --> 0:24:41.720 And as long as they don't intersect, right, as long 0:24:41.760 --> 0:24:44.439 as like the Roman town isn't built directly over the 0:24:44.480 --> 0:24:47.800